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Credlin | 11 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. Another sign that Labour's lost control of immigration.
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Speaker 2: Over four hundred and thirty thousand people tonight on bridging visas.
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Speaker 2: They were supposed to be temporary, but clearly that's not
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Speaker 2: the case, putting further strain on the system mugged by reality.
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Speaker 2: The climates are mc kean forced to concede. The AI
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Speaker 2: boom will put pressure on Australia's already struggling power grit.
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Speaker 3: We'll get to that as well.
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Speaker 2: Class An update on a case shaping up to be
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Speaker 2: a test of biology versus ideology. A breastfeeding expert challenging
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Speaker 2: a trans woman overclaims they can safely breastfeed. I'll speak
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Speaker 2: to the woman at the center of the case a
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Speaker 2: little later.
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Speaker 3: And fire the liar.
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Speaker 2: Well, well and truly taken off, hasn't it? And the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister we you can tell he doesn't like it.
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Speaker 3: She says that she's him in the fundraising race.
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Speaker 4: So she raised more than a million dollars?
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Speaker 1: She did?
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Speaker 5: She though?
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Speaker 3: Did she?
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Speaker 5: Whatever did?
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Speaker 2: She said? We'll say that with that one, because it's very,
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Speaker 2: very interesting because today more on the millions rolling in
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Speaker 2: for One Nation and that attitude from the Prime minister
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Speaker 2: you just saw there with his head in the sand,
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Speaker 2: denying reality. Today, One Nation's Fire the Liar donation drive
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Speaker 2: has hit a whopping two point two million dollars just
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Speaker 2: thirty six hours on from its launch. And it's real
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Speaker 2: money from real people, says the party leader Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 6: You can't imagine One Nation getting the support that we have,
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Speaker 6: and that just says to get that amount of money,
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Speaker 6: says the strange people have had a gutful of him.
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Speaker 3: They want him God.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: After all, as she says, if I'm running a campaign
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Speaker 2: that's branding the Prime Minister a liar, well I'm hardly credible.
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Speaker 3: If my own claims don't stack up. Why would I.
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Speaker 6: Call out the liar by the liar then go and
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Speaker 6: do something like that myself.
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Speaker 3: It would destroy me. Spot on. I've got the report
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Speaker 3: for you too. I'll get to that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But the Prime Minister, well he doesn't believe her when
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Speaker 2: asked today about One Nation's donation campaign that insiders say
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Speaker 2: dwarfs the poultry amount that's been raised by Labor. Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanize couldn't be more dismissive if he tried dismissive, indeed arrogant.
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Speaker 8: She says that she smashed him in the fundraising race,
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Speaker 8: So she raised more than a million dollars?
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Speaker 1: Did she?
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Speaker 3: Did she?
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Speaker 9: Though?
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Speaker 3: Did she?
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Speaker 1: What evidence is there?
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Speaker 3: Do you believe that pulling answer is raised?
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Speaker 9: One point?
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Speaker 8: Would you suspectability to you?
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Speaker 5: Will you work it out?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Smarmy? So what's driving that arrogance from alban easy? Because police,
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Speaker 2: it's a dumb move. All he does is fire up
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Speaker 2: her supporter is more not less? Is it a glass
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Speaker 2: jaw response there? Given that the whole basis of this
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Speaker 2: donation drive is the PM's lack of integrity and the
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Speaker 2: fact that it's his lies that are torpedoing Labour's primary vote,
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Speaker 2: is that what it is? Because now instead of being
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Speaker 2: Labour's lion killer as he was last May with the
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Speaker 2: federal election, Albanese is like an albatross for Labor. He's
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Speaker 2: the bloke that's dragging down the Labor vote now, not
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Speaker 2: boosting it. After all, Albanize gets split it whatever way
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Speaker 2: he likes, but his lies are on camera for all
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Speaker 2: to see. And that's really what's hurting labor here because
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Speaker 2: you can't deny reality or say you know your opponents
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Speaker 2: are making it up when this is what voters see
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Speaker 2: everywhere they look.
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Speaker 3: Now on social media, negative gearing is off the table.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's off the.
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Speaker 11: Can you rule that any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 11: capital gains tax?
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Speaker 5: How hard is it for the fiftieth reforms?
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Speaker 3: Hard people haven't had the ticker to take it on. Well,
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Speaker 3: you have the tinker to take it. You didn't have
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Speaker 3: the ticker to take it to an election. Not much
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Speaker 3: you didn't say to that is there.
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Speaker 2: This morning on breakfast Radio, Hanson's chief of staff, James Ashby,
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Speaker 2: spoke with radio host TGBI host Ben Fordham, and even
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Speaker 2: he expressed surprise at just how successful the campaign's be already.
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Speaker 12: I set this goal for the end of financial year
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Speaker 12: because people can get that tax deductibility status when they
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Speaker 12: actually give a donation up to fifteen dollars. I thought
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Speaker 12: that might prompt a few people, but not the twenty
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Speaker 12: eight thousand people that have made a contribution to this campaign.
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Speaker 10: Think it will go down in history. It certainly goes
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Speaker 10: down well in my history books.
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Speaker 13: So look, it is big.
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Speaker 10: It's going to give us that firepower.
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Speaker 2: Fordham then asked him how much he thought Labor had
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Speaker 2: raised with their own anti One Nation campaign that kicked
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Speaker 2: everything off on Monday. And this was his startling response,
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Speaker 2: because if it's true, if what Ashby's being told is true,
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Speaker 2: then the ALP really is in trouble.
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Speaker 10: A rumors, yes, that that was twenty grand. It's not good.
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Speaker 10: Labor insiders are saying it's very small.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: As I said here last night, in twenty twenty six
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Speaker 2: political campaign, he demands that you react fast, that you nimble,
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Speaker 2: and to have any success, what you do must go viral.
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Speaker 2: And that's where One Nation is right now. Just look
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Speaker 2: at how quickly it took that line from my show
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Speaker 2: on Monday night and turned it into a full blown
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Speaker 2: online campaign by Wednesday morning. It was something that Ashby
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Speaker 2: was good enough to acknowledge this morning on Fordham's.
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Speaker 1: Lastly, Who came up with the line fire the liar?
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Speaker 10: You wouldn't believe it, But I was talking to Peter
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Speaker 10: Kredlin and I was watching her show and I stole
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Speaker 10: it of her. Nothing quite like a borrowed line right then.
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Speaker 2: Now, I didn't give it to him. I said it
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Speaker 2: nine air. It was anyone's to steal. Others didn't steal it.
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Speaker 2: That should have stolen it, but he did. In the
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Speaker 2: political world, Ashby's winning because he's fast and he gets
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Speaker 2: things out quickly. The turnaround times they're sharp.
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Speaker 3: He's sharp.
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Speaker 2: I reckon he's one of the best in the business,
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Speaker 2: and I've seen a few. So this says to me
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Speaker 2: that One Nation's back end is professional and they are
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Speaker 2: able to create opportunities from nothing. And look, forget any
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Speaker 2: idea that these donations aren't real. That's a cheap shot
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Speaker 2: from a very worried Labor given the risks involved to
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Speaker 2: her credibility. There's no way these donations are fake. And
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Speaker 2: more than that, if one nation is consistently polling a
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Speaker 2: thirty plus primary and they have been doing so for months, well,
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Speaker 2: blind Freddy will tell you any appeal for donations always
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Speaker 2: going to turn.
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Speaker 3: Up big numbers.
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Speaker 2: Now, clearly Labor can't count. But more than that, it
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Speaker 2: shows me that even when face with the reality of
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Speaker 2: multiple polls showing that they are in trouble, Labor still
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Speaker 2: doesn't want to believe it. Now earlier today to shut
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Speaker 2: down their critics, including the PM One Nation brought in
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Speaker 2: independent experts to audit their website, proving that these donations
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Speaker 2: are real. Well, the report's now in. I have seen
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Speaker 2: and I've read through it all. Now as I thought,
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Speaker 2: as I've said to you, just now that show of support,
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Speaker 2: those donations are real. The millions and millions, two and
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Speaker 2: a half million almost now rolling into who fight labor
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Speaker 2: are real.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: The PM's big problem with all of this today is
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Speaker 2: he just doesn't want to believe his numbers are falling
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Speaker 2: off a cliff. But that's dangerous. That is very dangerous
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Speaker 2: because there's an iron law in politics. The moment you
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Speaker 2: start believing your own bs, you're done.
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Speaker 3: The moment you think.
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Speaker 2: You are untouchable, you're done. So we'll see, won't we.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Clenell and I will.
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Speaker 3: We're on a unity ticket.
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Speaker 2: We think that Anthony Albinezi will retire this term, that
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Speaker 2: he will walk away having won a great swag of
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Speaker 2: seats at the last election, but avoids sticking around to
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Speaker 2: cop the punishment for his lies. My viewers said to
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Speaker 2: me last night, fire the liar, forget ditch the witch,
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Speaker 2: Fire the liar, which will be the clarion call.
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Speaker 3: At the next election.
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Speaker 2: There you go any time, will tell if Andrew and
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Speaker 2: I are right that the PM must go, we think
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Speaker 2: he will. Well, let's go to Camberow for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Truney Macintosh, the.
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Speaker 8: Opposition leader, has ruled out a plan to carve up
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Speaker 8: seats with One Nation at the next election. Liberal MP
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Speaker 8: Tony Passon floated the idea to ensure the parties don't
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Speaker 8: compete with each other.
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Speaker 1: No, there's no plan to carve up seats. We won't
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Speaker 1: be doing that. This is ridiculous conversation for us to
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Speaker 1: be having at this point.
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Speaker 8: Pauline Hanson's donation driver appears to be going gangbusters One
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Speaker 8: Nation boasting it's raised more than two million dollars. The
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister skeptical.
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Speaker 1: Did she? They did she? Though? Did she?
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Speaker 7: Whatever?
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Speaker 6: Its legitimate, very legitimate, no problems. We've actually said we'll
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Speaker 6: get an independent orderer. Why would I call out the
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Speaker 6: liar by the liar then go and do something like
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Speaker 6: that myself.
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Speaker 3: It would destroy me.
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Speaker 8: The Health Minister is refusing to delay his ndis overhauled
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Speaker 8: despite pressure from advocates and now the states. State disability
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Speaker 8: ministers told the inquiry there are major flaws in Labour's
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Speaker 8: proposal as participants and providers push for a big rethink.
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Speaker 8: If the bill passes in its current form, it will
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Speaker 8: strip our children and ourselves and rights. We will be
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Speaker 8: made second class citizens in our own country and it
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Speaker 8: will kill people.
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Speaker 1: So there certainly needs to be more consultation. There needs
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Speaker 1: to be more consideration.
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Speaker 8: Labor is standing firm on its self imposed July one
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Speaker 8: deadline for the bill to pass the Senate, arguing it's
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Speaker 8: necessary to lock in structural savings.
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Speaker 12: A plan that will ensure that we start down the
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Speaker 12: path of getting this enormously important scheme back on track.
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Speaker 14: Come on, Labor, it's time to scrap this bill and
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Speaker 14: go back to the drawing board.
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Speaker 12: We haven't been convinced that what the government has put
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Speaker 12: forward will make it sustainable.
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Speaker 8: Truey Macintosh, Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Plenty to get across now and join them in now.
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Speaker 2: IPA Deputy Executive Director Dan Wilde I contributed Carolly Kats
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Speaker 2: and batas well. We'll get to one nation and the
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Speaker 2: coalition in a moment. But Dan, this is shocking data
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Speaker 2: published by Home Affairs.
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Speaker 3: We've got a massive.
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Speaker 2: Four hundred and thirty two thousand people on these so
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Speaker 2: called temporary bridging visas, only they're not temporary. They are
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Speaker 2: basically a permanent way for a whole lot of people
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Speaker 2: to say, to stay in Australia. And let's not forget
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Speaker 2: a good one hundred thousand of those are the legacy
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Speaker 2: case flow that came in under right under Gillard Vira
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Speaker 2: legal boats to our North.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 15: I mean, I think every day that goes by, there's
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Speaker 15: more data that shows the migration system is completely broken.
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Speaker 15: We publish some data yesterday showing that there's been three
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Speaker 15: times as many migrants come in as there has been
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Speaker 15: houses built over the past year. Yet the government tells
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Speaker 15: us that they're dealing with the issue. I think what
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Speaker 15: this goes to, also, Peter, is that the bridging visa
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Speaker 15: is when you come in on a visa and then
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Speaker 15: you want to go way another visa to transfer from
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Speaker 15: one to the other, for example, study to work, and
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Speaker 15: then you're on some kind of a program in between.
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Speaker 15: But the system gets gamed, you know, the tribunal system
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Speaker 15: gets gamed. The migration agents gained the system. So what
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Speaker 15: it shows is that the government is out of touch.
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Speaker 15: They're not in control of their own migration program. They
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Speaker 15: promised us that the numbers were going to come down,
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Speaker 15: but their own budget showed that the numbers have actually
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Speaker 15: gone up. And as I say, every single data release
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Speaker 15: that comes out shows that there are more migrants coming
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Speaker 15: into this country, not fewer.
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Speaker 2: And Dan I was listening to a very respective British
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Speaker 2: historian the other day on a podcast and he was
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Speaker 2: saying that they have this is on the back of
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Speaker 2: the Henry Novak murder. They have huge cultural issues there
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Speaker 2: and it was referencing the fact that sixteen percent of
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Speaker 2: Brits now are foreign born. Well, in Australia that number
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Speaker 2: is a whopping third tier two percent. We are denying
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Speaker 2: that debate is real in Australia. It is real, just
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Speaker 2: as it's real in the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 15: Well, you're exactly right, and I think what adds pressure
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Speaker 15: to this issue is not just the raw numbers that
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Speaker 15: you've outlined, but the fact that many migrants who come
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Speaker 15: here must be confused about what it means to be
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Speaker 15: an Australian because we have political leaders that refuse to
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Speaker 15: stand in front of the national flag, who promoted a
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Speaker 15: Voice to Parliament referendum to set up a two tiered
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Speaker 15: system based on rays who do a welcome to country
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Speaker 15: or acknowledgment to country basically whenever there's a new hour
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Speaker 15: on the clock. So if you're a new migrant coming
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Speaker 15: to Australia, we need to be able to tell you
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Speaker 15: what we're expecting you to assimilate into and to integrate into.
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Speaker 15: So there's a responsibility of political leadership to say this
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Speaker 15: is what it means to be an Australian and these
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Speaker 15: are the kind of behaviors and values that we expect
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Speaker 15: you to adopt when you come into our country. But
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Speaker 15: we have this visive social experiment of multiculturalism, which basically says,
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Speaker 15: don't worry about it. You can keep your old beliefs
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Speaker 15: and your old values and there's no need to integrate. Well,
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Speaker 15: that's why we've got the problems that we've got.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to one nation's fire, the Liar campaign, Caroale.
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Speaker 2: You've been around politics a long time. Nothing better than
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Speaker 2: a catchy line. In two days, they've raised over two
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Speaker 2: point three million dollars. The average donation there was around
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Speaker 2: fifty nine dollars. So we're not talking about big money,
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Speaker 2: we're not talking about big corporates, we're talking about ordinary
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Speaker 2: Australians and I made the point of earlier. You know,
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Speaker 2: Labor don't want to hear this, but when your primary
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Speaker 2: is falling, when your opponent's primary is consistently now in
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Speaker 2: the thirty percent mark, that's a lot of Australians out
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Speaker 2: there who are unhappy with your performance. And when Pauline says,
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Speaker 2: give me twenty nine bucks, then I'll help you kick
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Speaker 2: out the liar, or help me kick out the liar.
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Speaker 2: They're very they're very willing to get involved. I think
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Speaker 2: they're gagging to get involved. And you know, all credit
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Speaker 2: to James Ashby. We run this line on Monday night
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Speaker 2: on the show. It was it my line.
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Speaker 3: It came to me from a friend.
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Speaker 2: I put it to air though, and he grabbed it,
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Speaker 2: and I make the point, you've got to be fast
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Speaker 2: in this current online climate for campaigning. You've got to
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Speaker 2: be nimble. You've got to get a good idea, you
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Speaker 2: got to run with it and you've got to get
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Speaker 2: it to market.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 9: I mean the question that has to be asked Peter
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Speaker 9: and Daniel is what part of that phrase doesn't Anthony
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Speaker 9: Albanezy agree with.
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Speaker 3: I mean, fire the liar.
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Speaker 9: He has lied to the Australian people. He has been
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Speaker 9: not truthful, whether it's falling off a stage or for
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Speaker 9: the fiftieth time saying that he was ruling out negative
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Speaker 9: gearing and capital gains tax. He didn't take these latest
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Speaker 9: changes from the budget to the Australian people. He has lied.
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Speaker 9: The other thing is he's always dismissed Pauline Hanson and
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Speaker 9: One Nation as a protest party, and who cares well
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Speaker 9: if he's so, why does he need to be worried
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Speaker 9: if he's doing such a great job. And you know
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Speaker 9: it's the calling the cattle black Labor took out those
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Speaker 9: initial ads asking people to chip in twenty seven dollars
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Speaker 9: to stop One Nation. Well they've turned it back on him.
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Speaker 9: And as I would say, I think it's the eyed,
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Speaker 9: the green eyed monster of jealousy raising its head. And
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Speaker 9: I would just say to Anthony Albanezi, if you think
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Speaker 9: you're doing such a great job, keep going. Don't worry
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Speaker 9: about Pauline, worry about getting Australia right for the rest
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Speaker 9: of us.
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Speaker 2: What was smart about the campaign too, Dan, It wasn't
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Speaker 2: asking people who vote National or Liberal to join One Nation.
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Speaker 2: It just said give us some money if you want
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Speaker 2: to kick out labor. So I think everybody on the
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Speaker 2: center right Dan Wild could agree that it was worth
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Speaker 2: the investment of the thirty bucks to put your money
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Speaker 2: in to get rid of a government that's lied to you, stupid,
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Speaker 2: that's changing our country, that's not listening to the public,
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Speaker 2: that's incredibly arrogant. And you know, as I say Andrew Carneal,
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Speaker 2: and I think he will leave this term. I don't
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Speaker 2: think he has the strength of character or the thick
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Speaker 2: skin needed to face the people at the next election
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Speaker 2: after all these lies.
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Speaker 15: Well I think that's probably right. And you know, when
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Speaker 15: was the last time a political party in Australia raised
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Speaker 15: a cool couple of million bucks in a few days?
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Speaker 1: I mean, has that ever happened? I don't know.
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Speaker 15: And this is a way that people can get involved.
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Speaker 15: You know, people are desperate to want to get involved
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Speaker 15: to help fix our country. There's this idea that Australians
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Speaker 15: are politically disengaged, but I think what the popularity and
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Speaker 15: this donation drive for one Nation has shown is they're
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Speaker 15: not disengaged. They're disengaged from a system that's not working
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Speaker 15: for them. But when they have someone or a political
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Speaker 15: party that they believe may be able to represent their
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Speaker 15: views and their values and take the fight to the government,
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Speaker 15: then they will get behind them.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to this appointment today of Brittany Higgins as
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Speaker 2: executive director of an institute called the Vida Fund. This
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Speaker 2: is progressive, so read left wing fundraising, an advassy group.
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Speaker 2: They say that they are there to support independent candidates
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Speaker 2: women to get into Parliament and push through gender equity reformed.
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Speaker 2: Higgins basically tagging One Nation as a party of misogyny.
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Speaker 2: She's gone after Barnaby Joyce about his US style war
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Speaker 2: and reproductive right. She says, well, he's not anti abortion
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Speaker 2: in the sense in terms of policy. He doesn't like
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Speaker 2: late term abortion. I think few Australians do. And the
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Speaker 2: more they hear about late term abortion, I think the
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Speaker 2: stronger their opposition is. But what's really interesting here We
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Speaker 2: know that she owes Linda Reynolds money.
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Speaker 3: We know that she.
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Speaker 2: Got a couple of million dollars from the taxpayer on
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Speaker 2: the basis that she would never ever work again.
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Speaker 3: She declared herself.
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Speaker 2: Bankrupt, as did her husband. Linda is still old money.
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Speaker 2: Others are still old money. And yet now she's got
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Speaker 2: this job, she can work well, we see our two
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Speaker 2: million dollars paid back to taxpayers, do you think?
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Speaker 9: Well, all I will say is that Brittany Higgins has
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Speaker 9: no credibility when it comes to talking about misogyny given
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Speaker 9: that she politically, personally, professionally and emotionally destroyed Senator Linda
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Speaker 9: Reynolds and Fiona Brown.
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Speaker 3: That's the first thing.
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Speaker 9: The second thing is he quite rightly pointed out Peter
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Speaker 9: two point four million dollars of Australian taxpayers money, and
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Speaker 9: now she's on this bandwagon. We've had the move to
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Speaker 9: France with the mansion, We've had the crying pour, We've
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Speaker 9: had the flying back to Australia. We've had the wedding
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Speaker 9: on the Gold Coast, We've had the baby, We've had
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Speaker 9: the Woman's daye magazines. This is a couple that apparently
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Speaker 9: wanted to disappear from the limelight. This is relevance deprivation.
19:45
Speaker 9: She's almost Australia's equivalent of Greta Thunberg. They're always looking
19:50
Speaker 9: for relevance and what is she on about it? She
19:53
Speaker 9: has no whatsoever. Well, Harry and Meghan gingin Wingch, there
19:58
Speaker 9: you go, there's their own ginger Win. But I'm very serious.
20:02
Speaker 9: That woman is in her thirties. She's not eighteen years
20:05
Speaker 9: old or twenty years old. She has no credibility when
20:08
Speaker 9: it comes to talking about misogyny whatsoever. When she destroyed
20:13
Speaker 9: two conservative women who ironically were the first two women
20:19
Speaker 9: in her corner when the sordid saga first began, that's
20:23
Speaker 9: all I'm going to say. I've had enough of her.
20:25
Speaker 9: I don't want to hear about her anymore. Neither are
20:28
Speaker 9: most Australians, but no one's got the guts to say it.
20:32
Speaker 2: Well, I think we want our money. I think Linda
20:34
Speaker 2: wants her money, and I think we want our money.
20:36
Speaker 2: And I think if they were acting with any sort
20:39
Speaker 2: of integrity, both of them would clear their ledger before
20:42
Speaker 2: they entered the public domain again. But that won't happen.
20:46
Speaker 2: We'll leave it there, Dan and Caroly, thank you. Let's
20:49
Speaker 2: going out. Of those concerns from the Climate Change Czar,
20:52
Speaker 2: the Authorities Chair Matt Kean, who Today's warned that Australia's
20:56
Speaker 2: boomy datis in her industry could drive up the electricity prices,
20:59
Speaker 2: put except sieve strain on the grid and leave households
21:02
Speaker 2: paying more for costly network upgrades unless the operators dig
21:07
Speaker 2: deep to fund the infrastructure themselves. Here to discuss this
21:11
Speaker 2: and more, Director of Energy at the Center for Independent
21:13
Speaker 2: Studies Aidan Morrison.
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Speaker 3: Well, he's not wrong.
21:16
Speaker 2: I don't often agree with Matt Kean, but of course
21:19
Speaker 2: these data centers are energy hungry monsters. They're also water
21:24
Speaker 2: hungry as well, and where a drought prone continent. I'm
21:29
Speaker 2: not confident that any of these extra costs will be
21:32
Speaker 2: shared that we shafted home to households and consumers one
21:36
Speaker 2: way or another, won't they aiden?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, it's interesting that we should have some concern
21:42
Speaker 11: about data centers. They're a huge demand for electricity. I'm
21:45
Speaker 11: not too concerned about the water. By the way, most
21:47
Speaker 11: of the data centers in Australia are dry. They're air cooled,
21:49
Speaker 11: so you can have a data center without a lot
21:51
Speaker 11: of water demand.
21:52
Speaker 1: E just need a little bit more electricity.
21:54
Speaker 11: But when it comes to the electricity demand, really there
21:56
Speaker 11: should not be a huge problem for supplying a lot
21:59
Speaker 11: of electric city to data centers if they're in urban areas,
22:03
Speaker 11: the grids are in strong places. If we just build
22:05
Speaker 11: more reliable twenty four to seven thermal generators, this wouldn't
22:09
Speaker 11: be a problem at all. The problem is the promise
22:11
Speaker 11: of the renewable energy system, which Matt Kean has been
22:14
Speaker 11: advocating for and he has basically railroaded New South Wales
22:17
Speaker 11: into through his signature legislation. That creates a very wobbly
22:22
Speaker 11: sort of weather dependent energy system and that is not
22:25
Speaker 11: well suited to data centers because they need.
22:27
Speaker 1: To be operating twenty four to seven.
22:28
Speaker 11: They need perfectly reliable, extremely high quality, steady voltage, steady frequency,
22:34
Speaker 11: and that's all the things that the wind and the
22:36
Speaker 11: sun do not help provide in the grid. So we're
22:39
Speaker 11: creating a wobbly grid and the custom that's turned up
22:42
Speaker 11: to use that demand needs a very stable and steady grid. Indeed,
22:46
Speaker 11: so if we had a grid based on traditional spinning
22:50
Speaker 11: synchronous generators powered by coal or nuclear, a lot more
22:54
Speaker 11: data centers wouldn't be a huge problem. It's a problem
22:57
Speaker 11: because we've built this weather dependent system promising ourselves that
23:00
Speaker 11: we would flex the load around the weather. And now
23:03
Speaker 11: we've got demand coming from data centers and they have
23:05
Speaker 11: very steady, flat, inflexible demand, and that's the mismatch that's
23:09
Speaker 11: causing the problem.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so this is the classic case the dog
23:13
Speaker 2: catching the car. Right, So we've been mugged by the
23:16
Speaker 2: reality for all this talk about green energy and that
23:19
Speaker 2: we can basically do away with heavy industry in this country.
23:23
Speaker 2: We want these data centers and they make smelters look
23:26
Speaker 2: like they don't use any power at all, and we
23:28
Speaker 2: want them because we need them, we say, to be
23:30
Speaker 2: competitive in this AI race. And now we realize we
23:33
Speaker 2: need a power grid that we're basically the type of
23:35
Speaker 2: power grid that we are basically shutting down. Other countries
23:39
Speaker 2: around the world that want these big data centers housed
23:42
Speaker 2: in their country are going heavily into nuclear well nuclears
23:46
Speaker 2: off the table here. Isn't this part of the reason
23:49
Speaker 2: why we're getting this revisionism of all these global climate
23:54
Speaker 2: targets from the IPCC and others, because they're now in
23:58
Speaker 2: this difficult, boxed in position where they said, armageddon's coming,
24:03
Speaker 2: the world's burning up, we've got to shut down everything
24:06
Speaker 2: and basically move different power sources into our grid. And
24:10
Speaker 2: now we want something else and we have to migrate
24:13
Speaker 2: over here. So they've got to change the argument on
24:17
Speaker 2: climate change and armageddon.
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Speaker 11: Well, the first thing is the trade offs have become clear,
24:23
Speaker 11: like there's now an opportunity clearly for economic and technological
24:25
Speaker 11: growth and progress to occur, but it needs energy and
24:28
Speaker 11: we were promised, we were promised in Australia. By the way,
24:31
Speaker 11: it was partly armageddon, but it was also the promise
24:33
Speaker 11: of lower bills and this would actually push down bills
24:35
Speaker 11: in the cost of electricity, and that has proven to
24:38
Speaker 11: be totally and utterly naive.
24:39
Speaker 1: So now that we've got.
24:40
Speaker 11: A situation where there's a boom, an industrial boom from
24:44
Speaker 11: a technological change in advancement, and we're having to pick
24:46
Speaker 11: and choose which one we want. And now I suppose
24:50
Speaker 11: people like Matt Keene are squealing and saying, oh no,
24:52
Speaker 11: the system that I have designed is not going to
24:55
Speaker 11: handle this very well, and begging for more money to
24:59
Speaker 11: try to basically put in the extra compensations, extra firming capacity,
25:04
Speaker 11: extra things to monitor and control the frequency in the
25:06
Speaker 11: voltage to make their system good enough to handle the
25:09
Speaker 11: technological boon that's coming. So really disappointing. We've finally got
25:12
Speaker 11: a trade off that we have to choose between. And
25:15
Speaker 11: the armageddon was always false, and now we know that
25:17
Speaker 11: there's an economic boom, we're going to miss out on
25:19
Speaker 11: because we haven't built an electricity system that's capable of
25:22
Speaker 11: hosting it.
25:24
Speaker 2: All right, So we've got the gas boss out today
25:27
Speaker 2: from APR sorry not APR APA group saying there's no
25:32
Speaker 2: way we're going to meet these targets or at least
25:33
Speaker 2: a decade behind. So that's the target one on one side.
25:37
Speaker 2: And then they've got the new South Wales government spending
25:40
Speaker 2: some two hundred million dollars to upgrade a whole lot
25:43
Speaker 2: of transmission lines for a renewable zone in the southwest.
25:48
Speaker 2: And this is all about retiring coal fire power. It's
25:52
Speaker 2: like the left hand and the right hand are not
25:55
Speaker 2: on the same body.
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Speaker 11: Look, that is exactly right at the moment these statements here,
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Speaker 11: I mean, it's quite correct. APA and everyone else that's
26:03
Speaker 11: sensible and realistic knows there's not a chance, absolutely not
26:06
Speaker 11: a chance of these twenty thirty targets for eighty two
26:08
Speaker 11: percent renewable energy to be hit.
26:10
Speaker 1: That is absolutely implausible at the moment.
26:13
Speaker 11: But the question about the New South Wales government coming
26:15
Speaker 11: out announcing today a casual two hundred and twenty five
26:18
Speaker 11: million dollars extra for a renewable energy zone, the huge
26:21
Speaker 11: question I'm asking myself, Peter, is where was this money before?
26:25
Speaker 1: Because this is not the normal system.
26:26
Speaker 11: This should have been budgeted for, This should have been
26:28
Speaker 11: part of a normal regulatory process to build out transmission,
26:31
Speaker 11: or it should have been through a declaration. This is
26:33
Speaker 11: a completely new on budget allocation that doesn't come back
26:37
Speaker 11: through any of the normal systems. So they're basically saying
26:39
Speaker 11: here they will use at any stage of a project's development,
26:43
Speaker 11: any pot of money, be it taxpayers, be at electricity
26:46
Speaker 11: consumers through the normal regulatory process. Out of the regulatory process,
26:49
Speaker 11: they will find a way of backfilling everything they have
26:52
Speaker 11: underestimated about the costs, which means that we never had
26:55
Speaker 11: an honest, clear picture about the cost in the first place,
26:58
Speaker 11: and we still today. They're simply ramming this home by
27:03
Speaker 11: hook or by crook, making it up as they go along,
27:05
Speaker 11: and this is just one more plug they're putting their
27:07
Speaker 11: finger in to stop all the water pouring out, and
27:09
Speaker 11: it's being done with taxpayers money in this case, and
27:12
Speaker 11: it just shows this has not been planned, not been
27:15
Speaker 11: costed properly from the beginning.
27:18
Speaker 3: I've got to go.
27:19
Speaker 2: But I have never in my life ever seen an
27:23
Speaker 2: area of public policy where there has not been an
27:26
Speaker 2: appropriate blueprint plan and costings provided, not in the forward estimates,
27:32
Speaker 2: not in the medium term, not in the long term.
27:35
Speaker 2: I can't think of any other area, state or federal
27:38
Speaker 2: where we are spending literally billions, hundreds of billions of
27:42
Speaker 2: dollars and we are flying blind. And not only that,
27:45
Speaker 2: there's not the appropriate disclosures to parliamentary committees and certainly
27:50
Speaker 2: not to the Australian.
27:51
Speaker 11: Public nowhere at all. And in fact, we saw in
27:54
Speaker 11: our centate estimates just a week or so ago, Claire Savage,
27:58
Speaker 11: the chair of the Regulator, she was effectively almost bragging
28:00
Speaker 11: about saying how they're going to add a bit more
28:03
Speaker 11: to the V and I West project to help make
28:05
Speaker 11: up gaps in the Human Link project or the prog
28:08
Speaker 11: Energy connect. I mean they're happy to basically say there
28:11
Speaker 11: is some benefit somewhere smeared across all these projects, and
28:14
Speaker 11: we'll pull out all stops, a bit of money from
28:18
Speaker 11: this pot, put into that pot wherever they want to.
28:20
Speaker 11: And there has never been a proper comprehensive costing and
28:23
Speaker 11: there still is not one today.
28:24
Speaker 1: It's a real disaster.
28:26
Speaker 3: It's a shock. I will leave it there, thank you.
28:28
Speaker 2: And of course I will reiterate the environmental damage from
28:31
Speaker 2: Malcolm Turmbules snowy two point zero is absolutely far more
28:37
Speaker 2: egregious than anything that might come from the Brumbies.
28:41
Speaker 3: All right after the break and update.
28:42
Speaker 2: In the long running case, there's shaping up to be
28:45
Speaker 2: a battle of science versus ideology with a breast feeding
28:49
Speaker 2: expert challenging a trans woman's ability to breast speed Welcome
28:58
Speaker 2: backs to the calm, the glaring mission that tells me
29:00
Speaker 2: just into Allen is under a lot of pressure. The
29:04
Speaker 2: first I've reported here before the case of Jasmine Sussex
29:07
Speaker 2: who's been taken to the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal.
29:10
Speaker 2: This is q CAT by a trans woman, Jennifer Buckley,
29:14
Speaker 2: for alleged vilification. Now, this has been a long running case.
29:18
Speaker 2: It began back in COVID in twenty twenty one when
29:21
Speaker 2: Sussex responded to a post by Buckley stating plainly that
29:25
Speaker 2: Buckley appeared to be a man claiming to be a
29:28
Speaker 2: woman and raising concerns over their ability to safely chest
29:33
Speaker 2: feed as a trans inclusive terminology likes to call it. Now,
29:37
Speaker 2: this has been very much a case of biology versus ideology,
29:42
Speaker 2: with Sussex, a fifteen year volunteer with the Australian Breastfeeding Association,
29:48
Speaker 2: questioning the safety of the practice, with Sussex's legal team
29:53
Speaker 2: seeking access to Buckley's medical records. Well, yesterday the case
29:58
Speaker 2: returned to QCAT and the next time hearing is set
30:00
Speaker 2: for the twenty fourth of June. Please to say this
30:04
Speaker 2: amazing advocate for mothers and babies, former breastfeeding counselor at
30:09
Speaker 2: the center of all of this, just Jasmine Sussex joins me. Now,
30:15
Speaker 2: it's a lot of words to get through there, but
30:18
Speaker 2: I want to set it up so people remember, I
30:19
Speaker 2: know we've talked about this, but you are really at
30:23
Speaker 2: the eye of a storm here because it really just
30:27
Speaker 2: stemmed from your love and care for the nurturing of
30:31
Speaker 2: the infant to quite reasonably ask the question, if you
30:36
Speaker 2: are a biological male.
30:39
Speaker 7: Can you.
30:41
Speaker 2: Chest feed or breastfeed it's not a breast and can
30:46
Speaker 2: you do it safely? And what sort of drugs might
30:48
Speaker 2: you take in order to lactake. That's where we started,
30:51
Speaker 2: isn't it.
30:52
Speaker 3: Yeah?
30:53
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And so now with QCAT it's sort of splintered
30:58
Speaker 5: into two cases. So yesterday we're talking to q CAT
31:03
Speaker 5: appeals about how they can manage this case where you've
31:08
Speaker 5: got a Victorian and a Queenslander and they're talking about
31:13
Speaker 5: really quite important fundamental issues about safeguarding mothers and babies
31:19
Speaker 5: and what kind of evidence should be considered in that matter.
31:24
Speaker 5: And so we applied, my legal team applied to QCAT
31:29
Speaker 5: to get some more information from the complainant about the
31:34
Speaker 5: medical advice that he'd followed. You know what he produced,
31:39
Speaker 5: was it tested? How much was there, what medications did
31:43
Speaker 5: it take?
31:44
Speaker 2: I'll catch people at home, Yeah, up at home. This
31:46
Speaker 2: is important because if you're asking questions biological related questions
31:51
Speaker 2: about how safe it is for a biological mail to
31:54
Speaker 2: take drugs in order to lactake to feed a baby,
31:57
Speaker 2: and I cannot believe we're even having this conversation, but
32:00
Speaker 2: we are. And that person says, well, you'll villifying the
32:05
Speaker 2: Jasmine sussix you are asking, well, okay, you think I'm villifying,
32:10
Speaker 2: you show us the evidence that what you are doing
32:14
Speaker 2: is safe.
32:16
Speaker 5: That's exactly where we are.
32:18
Speaker 3: And so.
32:21
Speaker 5: I'm quite concerned about this decision. We got out of
32:25
Speaker 5: QCAT a few months ago saying that what processes this
32:33
Speaker 5: individual had followed are not relevant.
32:36
Speaker 3: What I said, is what's.
32:38
Speaker 5: Relevant because it's vialification. But the problem is, you know,
32:43
Speaker 5: without being too technical about it, so it's only vilification
32:47
Speaker 5: if it's not done reasonably in the public interest. You know,
32:52
Speaker 5: for genuine You're not criticizing or making any comment about
33:00
Speaker 5: this transwoman in any way, shape or form about their
33:04
Speaker 5: appearance or purporting to be a woman or anything.
33:07
Speaker 2: Your comments relate to feeding an infant, and is that safe?
33:14
Speaker 2: And what is involved in a woman breastfeeding an infant
33:19
Speaker 2: as opposed to someone that is a biological male taking
33:23
Speaker 2: drugs to feed a child. Now I ask you, I'm
33:27
Speaker 2: not the expert you are. How does a man, a
33:31
Speaker 2: biological man, produce enough lactating milk to feed a child?
33:38
Speaker 2: Can they do it? Can they produce enough to feed
33:40
Speaker 2: a child asmine? And is the milk they produced the
33:44
Speaker 2: quality and the volume that you would get from a
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Speaker 2: biological woman.
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Speaker 5: It's definitely not the volume. It's very unlikely to be
33:55
Speaker 5: the quality, is the short answer. And so we have
33:59
Speaker 5: five expert witnesses to talk to these exact issues. So
34:04
Speaker 5: a pediatrician, leading midwife literally wrote the textbook for midwives,
34:12
Speaker 5: a social media expert, and a bioethicist, and we want
34:18
Speaker 5: to talk about these issues because obviously it's really important,
34:22
Speaker 5: and we're being told that that's not relevant.
34:27
Speaker 3: So that is relevant.
34:28
Speaker 2: The whole question is can you safely look after this
34:31
Speaker 2: little baby? And if you're a breastfeeding expert, you've done
34:35
Speaker 2: that for fifteen years and your focus is on the
34:37
Speaker 2: health of a mum and the safety and the health
34:40
Speaker 2: of a child. It's a pretty bloody legitimate question to
34:43
Speaker 2: ask of anyway, male or female.
34:44
Speaker 5: Well, we think so, And you know, my lawyer is
34:48
Speaker 5: a human rights law alliance. They're very much arguing exactly
34:52
Speaker 5: that that this is in the public interest and there's
34:55
Speaker 5: a legitimate, legitimate public debate to be had, discussion to
34:59
Speaker 5: be had based on evidence. And you know, we just
35:02
Speaker 5: have to hope take it on face value that QCAT
35:06
Speaker 5: Appeals will agree and that will have a serious combat.
35:10
Speaker 3: So if they don't agree, what happens next?
35:13
Speaker 5: Well, so we then have to go back to the
35:15
Speaker 5: substantive matter, the vilification.
35:18
Speaker 2: Okay, so you can't then bring in this evidence. What
35:21
Speaker 2: I would regard is sort of the medical evidence. The
35:23
Speaker 2: medical debate. It'll be just whether or not that person
35:26
Speaker 2: felt vilified and whether the tribunal advocate decided you had
35:31
Speaker 2: vilified them or not.
35:33
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's I mean, we will still be able
35:38
Speaker 5: to present our expert witnesses evidence, but what we applied
35:43
Speaker 5: for which was dismissed by QCAT, which were appealing, was
35:49
Speaker 5: his evidence. So this individual says that they induce lactation
35:55
Speaker 5: under medical supervision and with medical knowledge.
35:58
Speaker 3: So shown you put the evidence on the time. Yes,
36:01
Speaker 3: So that's that's where we're at. We're going to stay
36:04
Speaker 3: on this issue.
36:04
Speaker 2: As you know, I followed this from day one, but
36:07
Speaker 2: just before we go, I mean, do you sometimes wake
36:10
Speaker 2: up and think how the heck did I get here?
36:13
Speaker 2: How the heck did we, we Australians get here even
36:16
Speaker 2: having this debate?
36:19
Speaker 3: Yes, I absolutely do.
36:21
Speaker 5: And you know, watching what's happened to our friend Sal
36:26
Speaker 5: Grover over the last month, it's just quite horrifying and
36:32
Speaker 5: I just how.
36:33
Speaker 2: Are you paying for this? How can people support you?
36:34
Speaker 2: Is there somewhere you've got to go fund me? Is
36:36
Speaker 2: there somewhere where people that support you?
36:38
Speaker 5: Well, The Human Rights Law Alliance have a.
36:42
Speaker 2: Funaman Rights Law Alliance. Please go there if you can.
36:47
Speaker 2: I know things are tight for everybody, but if you
36:49
Speaker 2: can spare something to fight for this issue.
36:51
Speaker 3: We would be grateful. Thanks so much, Peter, I really
36:54
Speaker 3: appreciate it.
36:55
Speaker 2: She's amazing. Can you believe we're having this conversation?
36:58
Speaker 3: All right? Quick break?
37:00
Speaker 2: Talk about corruption allegations, more of the mounting in Victoria
37:03
Speaker 2: over big build and a very difficult day for the
37:06
Speaker 2: Victorian premier.
37:07
Speaker 3: I'll get to that in a moment.
37:12
Speaker 2: I'll get you an update out of Belfast as the
37:14
Speaker 2: ramifications of the attempted beheading are still being felt, but
37:19
Speaker 2: now they're mounting pressure on the Victorian premiers into Alan,
37:22
Speaker 2: who today did her best to dodge any questions about
37:25
Speaker 2: the future of a leadership.
37:27
Speaker 8: Are you confident that you have the supports the support
37:30
Speaker 8: of the majority of your colleagues in corpus?
37:32
Speaker 3: Yes. Have you spoken with anyone since then about your leadership?
37:36
Speaker 9: I speak to my colleagues all the time by speaking
37:39
Speaker 9: to Mike.
37:40
Speaker 3: No, well, we're focused on We're focused on working people
37:42
Speaker 3: and family. No, no, I'm not.
37:45
Speaker 4: I'm Have you spoken with any of your colleagues about
37:48
Speaker 4: your leadership.
37:49
Speaker 3: It's a pretty simple question.
37:50
Speaker 6: I've answered that question and I'll again say that we
37:53
Speaker 6: are focused on working people and families.
37:56
Speaker 3: I'm going to try one more time.
37:57
Speaker 14: Have you spoken with any of your colleagues in the
37:59
Speaker 14: past couple of days since we last spoke about it
38:02
Speaker 14: with you, about your.
38:03
Speaker 3: Leadership, I've answered that question.
38:06
Speaker 2: I'll explain a minute why that's so telling. But of
38:09
Speaker 2: course we have the news today too of Labour's much
38:11
Speaker 2: hyped but scandal plagued Big Build. It's been completely wiped
38:17
Speaker 2: from their public messaging. Now they do that because it
38:20
Speaker 2: is toxic. Labor inside is conceding the transport infrastructure, once
38:25
Speaker 2: viewed as a big asset for the campaign, well it's
38:29
Speaker 2: now a ball and chain accounting for fifteen billion dollars
38:33
Speaker 2: in lost taxpayer funding, and all the talk of the
38:35
Speaker 2: CFMU corruption scandal have sunk this supposed electoral winner like
38:41
Speaker 2: a stone. Here to discuss the Victorian political letter at
38:44
Speaker 2: The Australian, Anthony Galloway.
38:45
Speaker 3: We'll spot on.
38:46
Speaker 2: We'll start with the Big Build and we'll get into today.
38:50
Speaker 2: Everyone kept saying to me, yeah, numbers are bad, right,
38:53
Speaker 2: but the Libs are all over the shop. They've got
38:56
Speaker 2: to fight one nation, they've got to get sixteen seats
38:58
Speaker 2: and the moment we start opening stuff, the voters are
39:02
Speaker 2: going to come back, you know, it'll wash away all
39:04
Speaker 2: of our sins. They don't care when it's open. It's
39:08
Speaker 2: clear today that even as they are opening things, what
39:12
Speaker 2: they are opening has a toxic stain to it.
39:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is what the people in labor have been
39:17
Speaker 4: telling me. Really have been paying attention for quite a
39:20
Speaker 4: while now. It's not that the corruption scandal with the
39:24
Speaker 4: Big Build resonates in terms of that kind of question
39:27
Speaker 4: over integrity corruption because as you would know, voters don't
39:31
Speaker 4: you know, swinging voters don't necessarily houses exactly. They mistrust
39:36
Speaker 4: politicians on both sides. It's that what was the Andrews
39:40
Speaker 4: and Allen government's biggest legacy, greatest, as said, the infrastructure build.
39:45
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone can argue they've built a lot
39:47
Speaker 4: of things is suddenly a liability. They can't talk about it.
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Speaker 4: So I did a story today that just looked at
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Speaker 4: Andrews last full month as a premier, all of the
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Speaker 4: media releases, nearly two hundred of them compared with Jacinta
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Speaker 4: Allen's last month, and Big Build has been completely wiped
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Speaker 4: from the public messaging. And it's not just that you
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Speaker 4: go through in more granular detail and you see those
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Speaker 4: big projects are being mentioned less to the extent they're
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Speaker 4: talking about transport infrastructure. They're talking about a lot more
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Speaker 4: local kind of upgrades. And then I also like, so
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Speaker 4: since Andrews was Opposition leader, they've had this thing called
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Speaker 4: the grid, which is like the top four issues you
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Speaker 4: focus on.
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Speaker 3: Is their talking points? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: This transport was always in there. It's recently been wiped.
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Speaker 4: So they can't talk about transport anywhere.
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Speaker 2: And that would be because Anthony, I can tell you,
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Speaker 2: in their polling, it would be coming up as a
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Speaker 2: toxic issue. I know in focus groups because I know
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Speaker 2: what the focus groups look like on the center right
40:52
Speaker 2: when people talk about big build they mentioned the strippers
40:57
Speaker 2: as the lollipop girls, people on one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 2: thousand to do bugger or people that are on ghost shifts,
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Speaker 2: the waste. That's what it means to people. It's not
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Speaker 2: that I'm going to get a train to a suburb
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Speaker 2: where I leave or anything like that. They've moved on
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Speaker 2: from that, and they're worried about the crime while the
41:13
Speaker 2: government's got no answer to that. They're worried about hospital ramping.
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Speaker 2: They've got no answer to that. So the problem is
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Speaker 2: they haven't got many other things to talk about.
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Speaker 3: Have they No?
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Speaker 4: And just to that point, out of all the stories
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Speaker 4: about the big building corruption, it was the fifteen billion
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Speaker 4: dollar figether. I'm told he's killing them the most.
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Speaker 1: It was a.
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Speaker 4: Figure port to all of it. You can talk about
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Speaker 4: all of the kind of complicated issues to do with
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Speaker 4: the fifteen starctor. Yeah, how the CFMEU was kind of
41:39
Speaker 4: infiltrated by bikes and gangsters, but it was a number.
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Speaker 2: Right, Let's talk about her because they have a complicated
41:46
Speaker 2: system like federal labor that if it was to be contested,
41:48
Speaker 2: if she was going to try and stick around, they
41:51
Speaker 2: have to spend a month going out to the rank
41:53
Speaker 2: and file for a vote, and you can't do that
41:54
Speaker 2: in your election year. So if it is Ben Carroll,
41:57
Speaker 2: I think it is Ben Carroll. He has to get
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Speaker 2: all the numbers from the left and the right. And
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Speaker 2: someone knocks on a door and says, sorry, lady, times up,
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Speaker 2: you're out, bends in and they do a clean hit,
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Speaker 2: and that's imminent, isn't it.
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Speaker 4: I don't next week, but yeah, I thought next week
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Speaker 4: was their last opportunity. You know, the parliament then rises
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Speaker 4: for six weeks. You're coming back in late July. Really,
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Speaker 4: you're going to roll the premium that close to the
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Speaker 4: November twenty eight election. I'm now being told that no,
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Speaker 4: that's not too late, because MPs are still kind of
42:31
Speaker 4: being briefed on their fate.
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Speaker 3: You know, basically every labor.
42:36
Speaker 4: MP on a margin of ten percent or is being
42:38
Speaker 4: brief that they're in a lot of trouble. It's more
42:41
Speaker 4: than thirty labor held seats that are on book according
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Speaker 4: to their own polling. So I thought next week was
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Speaker 4: the last opportunity. I'm being told, no, it can. It
42:52
Speaker 4: can happen later.
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Speaker 3: I think it wouldn't go much later than July.
42:58
Speaker 2: You can't lock in the advertising, the call fleet, it's
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Speaker 2: all the other collateral that comes with the campaign and
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Speaker 2: every leader. You know, it's a short term popularity bump.
43:08
Speaker 2: You want that bump to be that sweet spot between
43:12
Speaker 2: enough time to get ready for the campaign but to
43:14
Speaker 2: carry you into the campaign.
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Speaker 4: And my instinct is probably switching to someone like Ben
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Speaker 4: Carroll would have been the right move twelve months ago.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it is the right move now,
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Speaker 4: do you have enough time?
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Speaker 2: I don't think it will set the election to be honest,
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Speaker 2: I don't, but I think it could sandbag seats, that
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Speaker 2: they could be out for one term and potentially back again.
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Speaker 4: See but that's interesting. I've seen a lot of commentary
43:37
Speaker 4: saying this is like Kevin Rudd replacing Julia Gillard saving
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Speaker 4: the furniture that was You were around then it was
43:45
Speaker 4: a minority government. This is a government with the sixteen
43:48
Speaker 4: seat majority. So Labour people are telling me, and the
43:51
Speaker 4: people who want to change you're telling me that, no,
43:54
Speaker 4: the proposition's not saving the furniture. We've got a sixteen
43:56
Speaker 4: seat majority. We should be able to we should be
43:59
Speaker 4: able to win.
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Speaker 2: I have said for a while that the Libs getting
44:02
Speaker 2: a six to seven or seven to eight percent margin
44:05
Speaker 2: is as a swing is superhuman. Kennett was around the
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Speaker 2: five percent mark and both governments were toxic. Canaan Kerner
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Speaker 2: and this one. So you and I are going to be busy.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be a fascinating six months ahead. Absolutely,
44:19
Speaker 2: thanks quick breakoutter the break, we'll get back. We'll talk
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Speaker 2: about Belfast, some of those elections in California and Iran.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. We've got a few issues to get across.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring him on panel now. Sky News contributor Kosher
44:36
Speaker 2: Garda and former Labor MP Michael dan Be Kosher, let's
44:39
Speaker 2: go to Belfast. I say so often. You know the
44:43
Speaker 2: UK is a tinderbox. It absolutely is. And for this
44:47
Speaker 2: to have occurred, the attempted beheading so close to Henry Novak,
44:51
Speaker 2: anything could happen.
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Speaker 7: It is absolutely a tinder box. We know all the
44:55
Speaker 7: fundamentals for a way. That is the two biggest issues
44:59
Speaker 7: certainly there much of the Western sphere as cost of
45:01
Speaker 7: living and mass migration. The people are crying out for change,
45:04
Speaker 7: they've been crying out for change, and then you have
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Speaker 7: something like this happened that is lighting the match on
45:08
Speaker 7: the tinderbox. I would add on top of that the
45:10
Speaker 7: media aspect that the media tax files, the denial in
45:14
Speaker 7: the face of very vivid video that once you've seen that,
45:17
Speaker 7: you cannot unsee it. Similar with the Charlie Kirk thing,
45:20
Speaker 7: different issue, but you see that kind of graphic violence.
45:23
Speaker 7: I think it's stirs something on a very visceral life.
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Speaker 2: Your criny woman on the tri and in site sign thing.
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Speaker 7: The same thing, the look on her face. People don't
45:30
Speaker 7: forget that. And the denial by the media and the
45:32
Speaker 7: politicians is only going to further that tenderbox Iran.
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Speaker 3: Michael, where are we at?
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Speaker 2: I think we've got to grab from pet haigsiff because
45:39
Speaker 2: they're moving with some artillery at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 13: We will hit them hard on our terms, on the
45:46
Speaker 13: targets that improve the environment for US to operate in
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Speaker 13: and undermine the capabilities.
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Speaker 3: That Iron wants to have.
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Speaker 13: Marco Rubio, the whole team prepared to make a great
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Speaker 13: deal that would benefit Iran. They choose not to and
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Speaker 13: as a result, they're going to meet Central Command again
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Speaker 13: again tonight.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Michael, where does this end? I mean, are we
46:08
Speaker 2: going to get a deal? And if we get a deal,
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Speaker 2: is it going to be a fedingcom deal with the
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Speaker 2: nuclear stuff is off the table. It's the whole reason
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Speaker 2: the West went in there. The United States, the West
46:18
Speaker 2: didn't go in with them unfortunately, or are we going
46:20
Speaker 2: to see some sort of political dismount just because of
46:25
Speaker 2: the midterms.
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Speaker 14: Good news is that Brent Crew does ninety six dollars
46:29
Speaker 14: a barrel, which isn't too high, and it's just over
46:32
Speaker 14: four dollars a gallon in the US bowsers. Trump said
46:39
Speaker 14: that seventy ships and.
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Speaker 2: That's important because it gives the presidents of Rigalous less pressure.
46:44
Speaker 14: Seventy Ish oil tankers went through at night, so they're
46:49
Speaker 14: doing Operation Freedom without calling it that. But the problem
46:54
Speaker 14: is is the infighting in the Iranian regime is bitter
46:58
Speaker 14: and they're crazy, and we underestimated the fact that these
47:02
Speaker 14: people won't give in. They don't care about their own people.
47:04
Speaker 14: The blockade is still working. A couple of days of
47:07
Speaker 14: military action might switch them back to the negotiation table,
47:10
Speaker 14: but I doubt it because.
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Speaker 1: They never keep the deals that they make.
47:14
Speaker 14: Anyhow, this will just limp on, so keep going until
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Speaker 14: the regime collapses internally.
47:22
Speaker 3: Let's go to these mayoral races in the States.
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Speaker 7: This was a mayoral race that captured the world's attention.
47:28
Speaker 7: Of course, the third place Nitziramen with the mail in
47:32
Speaker 7: ballots seven days after the election day concluded serves to
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Speaker 7: LA for people at home LA mayor's race, and defeated
47:39
Speaker 7: the one Republican who actually had a shot and was
47:41
Speaker 7: doing very well and captured media attention and came in
47:45
Speaker 7: second place on election day. So we just dredge us
47:47
Speaker 7: up a lot of distrust.
47:49
Speaker 14: And he had a lot of social media like one.
47:50
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was a great candidate. So now it's going
47:53
Speaker 7: to be between one socialist and another socialist, and good
47:56
Speaker 7: luck to LA because they're going.
47:57
Speaker 5: To need it.
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Speaker 2: Did you think Americans in trust in their voting system,
48:02
Speaker 2: the integrity of their voting system, Michael.
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Speaker 14: Well, indeterminate postal vote returns, there's no limit to when
48:08
Speaker 14: they can send them back, and the fact that there's
48:12
Speaker 14: no ID. Given the fact that they've got a voluntary
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Speaker 14: voting system, it seems that people can harvest these votes
48:20
Speaker 14: and put them all in at the last minute.
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Speaker 2: At least you've been too sniffy about the no idea.
48:24
Speaker 2: I mean, I need ID to get pseuder fed. In Australia,
48:27
Speaker 2: I do not need ID to vote, which I think
48:29
Speaker 2: is criminal.
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Speaker 14: That's true, but we have an automatic upgrade by the
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Speaker 14: Electric Commission. When they correlate two databases that you've moved
48:37
Speaker 14: on your electric electric bill and on your transport bill,
48:41
Speaker 14: they send you a confirmation. So at least we've got
48:45
Speaker 14: an independent electric commission.
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Speaker 2: On the day, on the day you and I know
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Speaker 2: I could go to you could in my electric Let's
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Speaker 2: say I could vote at seven or eight booths and
48:53
Speaker 2: I'm crossed off and at the end of the day, yes,
48:56
Speaker 2: they might say Petti Crevelin's voted seven times, but no
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Speaker 2: one takes six votes out of the pile.
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Speaker 7: And you add to that the number of illegals in
49:04
Speaker 7: the US into the equation, and that further suggests that
49:07
Speaker 7: people don't trust it.
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Speaker 14: Well, that's why Trump has some resonance, even though he
49:12
Speaker 14: has no proof that this delay election was boggy. So
49:16
Speaker 14: I just think the whole American electoral system is just
49:19
Speaker 14: way behind ours, and it leads to lack of trust
49:23
Speaker 14: and also this polarization that's taking place in America.
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Speaker 2: It is only getting worse. There was another issue. I'm
49:29
Speaker 2: going to carry that over next week because it's still relevant.
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Speaker 2: Thank you to you both. Have a lovely weekend. Well
49:34
Speaker 2: that's it for me. I'll see you all Monday. It's
49:37
Speaker 2: going to be interesting, is it. It's getting hotter and
49:38
Speaker 2: hotter in politics at the moment. Up next and your
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Speaker 2: bol