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#152 - Joe Gallagher Jr. - Entrepreneur/Musician/Chef · The Chris and Mike Show

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And we're live. We're live on.
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YouTube and Twitter What's? Up, boys and girls.
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It's the Christmas Mike show. We got Chef Giuseppe, He's
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liking the music. You need to have this in your
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kitchen, dude. Get some, get some Hard Rock
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grub coming. So there you go.
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I'm the Chris, the Mike Shore. I'm Chris.
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He's Mike. This is chef Giuseppe and this
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is cool because you're the first person we've had on the show
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that is not a musician is is not a coach, is not a health nut, is
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not a like AI don't know. I we've had everything but model
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somebody like you on the show. We've had entrepreneurs, right,
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but not somebody who, who, who you've taken your, your love for
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food, right, and turn it into something more.
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I'm going to tell you something right now.
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So in 2019, in 2019, I was in contention for a Grammy
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nomination for best new rock artist, got hit by a truck, had
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two spinal surgeries, and my life went down the toilet.
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Yeah, so back. To hide my prayer, yeah.
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Yeah. Back that up, man, Back that.
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Truck right up and start with how?
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What did you play? What kind of Yeah.
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What was the name of the band? You were a rock artist like Lay
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Us. Some background for that you
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can't lead with. That sure, sure.
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Yeah, what was, what was, what was the name of the band?
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I I was in a few, I was in a few, but it was most the Grammy
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and content. I was in contention for a Grammy
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nomination in 2019. So my name was on a ballot.
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Big Noise records, the hit cartel Al Gomes put me up right.
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And it was for an album. It was a single on an album
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called Side Effects that was produced by OB, who's LL Cool JS
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Godson and he he worked with a bunch of rappers.
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This was his first rap album or a rock album.
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But I've written 2500 songs in 10 different genres since the
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age of 15. Shit, dude.
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Dude, you're right with us, man. I would I would go down to pull
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my lyric book out, but but it we'd be here all day.
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Yeah, I got stacks and stacks, but but yeah, I just got feeling
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back in my hands about a year, two years ago.
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What do you play? What's your main answer?
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Acoustic guitar, you know, I'm saying I'm a lead vocalist, but
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I can't do that anymore either. They they cut the, the
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surgeries, they had to cut through the front of my neck and
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move my vocal cords and I can't, I just can't hang in it.
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Wow. Man, that sucks.
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I want. To find.
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You a little machine, but I can't find you.
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Yeah, I like Joe Gallagher. I like to share.
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Joe Gallagher junior, You know, I was OK.
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Joe Gallagher Junior. Yeah, that's my, that was my
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name. I I also go by Joe Virgo and
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then Atlas Star. Atlas Star Records.
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I had a record company for a little while.
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OK, there we are. OK, because I like this, I like
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to share this stuff so people can, can recognize the fact that
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you're not talking out of your ass, you know, I mean, if you
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know, because we do, I do with all our guests though, because
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it's, it's again, it's about, it's about showcasing you and
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what you do. So, so here's you type in Joe
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Gallagher Junior on the Google machine and this is what we get
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all this, all this stuff. So there's your songs, there's
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your songs. Yeah, quite a, quite A and so
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that was the album. No.
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So the album Side Effects got taken down by the record label
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because I owed them $40,000. So they they fronted me two
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albums. Yeah.
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Well, no, no, man, Listen, this is it.
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This he was my best friend. I mean, I still to this day,
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we're great friends. But what happened was I got into
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that car accident and they fronted the albums.
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And, you know, we were thinking there's going to be a
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settlement, you know, because it wasn't my fault I was
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rear-ended. And that that ended up taking
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four years to go to trial. And I I didn't, I didn't get a
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dime. Wow.
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So they, they shelf the whole project.
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Yeah. That.
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Sucks so all the music. All the thing happened to me in
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1998. Really.
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Yeah, luckily I didn't get disabled out of it.
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I ended up with two crushed discs in my neck.
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Chris has the same injury. My mom has the same injury.
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It didn't disable me, but it definitely changed my way of
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life. So I I feel for you not being
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able to play it man. Yeah, yeah.
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So I mean, I'm on the praise team at church now and I can do,
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I, I could do small doses, you know, like 3 songs and I'm, I'm,
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I'm hit, you know, I'm. So you can still play a guitar,
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you just can't. I can't.
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Sing I I can sing too, but again, my dexterity and stamina
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is just not there. You know, I get I get pain,
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sharp pains and I start losing feeling in my hands again, cramp
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up so. What happened when you were in
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the accident? Like what was your physical
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injuries? So I had I had my C6 and seven
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fused and L45 fused. Jesus.
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Yeah, yeah, I was rear-ended at a red light.
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A guy was on a cell phone, hit me at like 5560 miles an hour.
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I was on the 2O2 in Arizona and I got rear-ended by an asphalt
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truck. Oh.
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Really. Wow.
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He was looking at his radio. He never hit the brakes, man.
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He pushed my trunk all the way into my back seat.
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Yeah, same that, That's that sounds like, yeah.
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Mine's, mine's boring. I was just born 2 1/2 months
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early and premature. So they pumped me full of
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steroids and shit and hoped that they could, you know, keep me
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alive. And that caused my third and 4th
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vertebrae to fuse together, which then over time, the five
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and six weren't getting the proper fluid.
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So that's in 2014. I had the surgery, the little
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Peyton Manning surgery scar. Yeah, yeah.
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They drum, they drumbled it down, took out one of the one of
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the things, put a Lego screw in there and.
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You know. Hey.
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We're we're bionic men, right? Yes, yes.
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Half robot, half robot. Exactly, I just whisked out and
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I deal with the pain everyday so.
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Right. That's OK, Somebody's got to be
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the tough guy. Well, I, I got hooked.
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I got hooked on painkillers. So after, after that, I went
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down a really dark path, man, and got, got out of the got out
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of the hospital. And about two weeks later, I, I
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just started to be able to walk again and I got into an
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altercation. I drove a drunk guy home, you
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know, being a Good Samaritan. Yeah, get to the get to his
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trailer park. And him and his roommate tried
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robbing me. I defended myself.
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I got charged with attempted murder.
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What the Frick man? Yeah, you ended up getting
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charged with the jars, Yeah. That was my. 1st to do my first
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arrest. Yeah, my first arrest, yeah.
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Oh my, well, you know, if you're going to get arrested the first
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time, you might as well do it with some power, you know,
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conviction, right? Like Jay, no conviction.
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That's, that's not cool. Let's just go with the attempted
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murder, you know, 'cause it's a good starting point.
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I mean, I would. I wish it, I wish it sounded
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bad. I wish it was badass, but it
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wasn't. I was survival.
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I was in survival mode. And I mean, and I didn't get
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convicted because, you know, it, it wasn't, you know, bullshit.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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What does that end up happening? What?
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What did they do? Just railroad.
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You So what well, what happened was so I'm getting robbed.
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They took my wallet, my keys, my phone right and I had AI
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happened just happened to have a 2 inch pocket knife on me.
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I never carried a weapon. You know, I used to fight in the
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street, like if I'm going to fight, it's going to be with my
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hands, you know, and I, I, but for some reason, something was
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telling me to have something when I, I went out to that bar
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that night and, and you know, I, I base, I almost cut my whole
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finger off my fingers dangling. There's blood everywhere.
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I cut him, I gave him a little paper cut out of his arm.
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He didn't even press charges, but there's blood everywhere.
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I'm holding the knife. There's a guy stripped down
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naked. I lost the other guy.
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He went into another room and that's why this all went down,
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because I thought he's going to get a shotgun or something.
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So, you know, I was holding the big guy down and the cops showed
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up. I had the knife in my hand.
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There's blood everywhere. OK, understood.
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Victim circumstance. Yeah, Yep.
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Pretty much. Yep.
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Damn man, that sucked. That's.
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Great. It was like.
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Like so you got straight up arrested, everything booked, you
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know? Yeah, so I was had a $50,000
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bond. I was in jail for like 10-15
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days, something like that. My father bombed me out.
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I promised on everything I'd never get in trouble again.
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You know, I'd never drank again. I'd never and when in a month or
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two I'm getting my first DUI and then then a reckless Dr. and
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then a hit and run and and then ADV 2, which is what end up
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bringing me to my knees and finally get me to surrender and
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just say, you know, in the middle of jail cell drop to my
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knees. Pray to God, hey, you know, I
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can't do this anymore. I need help, you know.
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So, so tell us, give us a little more insight as far as how old
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were you? So when all this happened, I
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think I was like 37, maybe 3637, OK, somewhere on there.
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OK, and this is post accident, post get rear end of where your
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life went down a yeah there. And that's when you got hooked
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on the on the on the painkillers and stuff.
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Yeah, yeah. I was suicidal.
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I was. Yeah, yeah.
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I was I was suicidal, man. I'm, I mean, my identity, my
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whole life and identity was, was tied into being a famous music,
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music. I sympathize, man.
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Yeah, we went down the same path for sure.
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We did. We're we're vibing right now,
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dude. Yeah, and it comes with the
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territory. You don't live fast, die young,
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rocks our mentality, you know, And that was me.
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And and then I had to get stopped in my tracks.
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I was living too fast. And I was going to die young if
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I didn't have to, if I didn't slow down.
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But here's The funny thing. We were all on the right path
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until, at least in Uran Ice case, pharmaceutical companies
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got us addicted to drugs before we did that for ourselves.
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I learned that on this podcast. I had my timeline screwed up,
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right as we talked my journey through, I realized I became
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addicted to painkillers before I became addicted to anything.
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You know, we might smoke some pot before we went on stage.
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My drummer and I, Chris, might have a shot and a beer, but we
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weren't hammered when we went up there.
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We wanted to enjoy it. We loved what we did, just like
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you're talking about. So it wasn't like we were
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smashed going up there. We had a little buzz and we went
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and had a good time. Oh, I, I was getting smacked
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when I was out there playing in the car, in the bars and the
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clubs and everything. I was getting smashed.
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I mean, I don't remember half those nights.
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I did a lot of that afterwards, but I never was in that shape on
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stage because I couldn't play drunk.
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No, no. I.
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Wasn't one of those guys that could do that.
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I could smoke a joint and I'd be fine, but to down 7-8 beers and
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go up on stage, my timing be all fucked up.
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And we put ourselves on being tight and I know there's guys
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that can get up there and do that, but we just weren't back
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then. We weren't interested in doing
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that anyway. Like I said, we just wanted to
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maybe feel good for a couple minutes before we went on stage,
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take the edge off and you know, maybe afterwards.
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These guys had women and wives and kids back in the day.
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I was single. I had a good time afterwards,
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but never during. I went home.
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I I hung up for maybe 1/2 an hour.
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So then I went home because, you know, we just, you know, I had a
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little girl and my wife and my wife and I are still together 31
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years later. And Congrats.
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It is what it is, you know? Thank you.
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And I didn't become an alcoholic till well after the music.
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I mean, it was well after, yeah. It was just a life cycle, which
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when this went about me, we're talking to you.
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But people heard my story before, so it's all good.
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So you go from from I'm going to be a rock star.
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I get nominated for Grammy, I get rear-ended.
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My life is chaos. I, I get addicted to
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painkillers. Then I can even go further down
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the rabbit hole because the depression, the suicide, like I
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was supposed to be this and I'm over here.
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And then you have the awakening while you're in jail.
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How long were you in jail? I mean, I never, I never said
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more than 1015 days, like 15 days.
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I think it's the most I ever, yeah, 5 * 5 different times, you
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know, and at the end and that last arrest, now they wanted to
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throw the book at me. Now they, you know, they,
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they've got sick of seeing me coming into the courtroom.
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So this was it, you know. Yeah, so that was good that we
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had another guy on the show that he didn't get his awakening like
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he had. He was smoking pot when he was
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five years old. Like, kid, you not.
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Yeah, that was his first joint. And it took him until he was
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actually in prison. He was walking the yard one day
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and he saw these group of of, of convicts.
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Has to call them. What do you call them, Mike?
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They're. Convicts, yeah, like when they
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they were doing, they were doing yoga.
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Was that it? Remember, remember Mike?
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I don't remember. I think it was yoga meditating
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or something. And so he just, he gravitated
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towards them and, and that was the epiphany for him.
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It's like that moment just just changed his life.
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Kind of like you dropped down your knees, you know, So that's
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interesting. So you get, you get, you have
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that a moment, the awakening in prison, jail, whatever, you get
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out. So, you know, talk us through
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that. Like, how's you, how do you, how
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do you dramatically change dramatically?
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Because I know when I went, when I got sober, my biggest hurdle
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was my wife because it's like so drunk Chris couldn't be talked
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to a reason with. I'm always right.
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Like whatever, I don't, I'm fine.
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I don't have a problem. So it took us a while, you know,
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I mean, we started within three months or so kind of
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understanding sober Chris can be talked to, but it really took us
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a year kind of to work through all of that chaos and stuff that
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I caused. That's where we're back, you
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know, normal. So with you having been arrested
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five times and and really going down a dark, dark hole, what was
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it like when you came out that fifth time and, and the
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transition and how did that evolve to who you are now?
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Yeah, so the solicitor, you know, was Co ordering me to do
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meetings, you know, recovery meeting.
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So I knew that was common. But I also, you know, I've been
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in and out of recovery, you know for since 2010, you know, so
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this wasn't anything really new. But now this is 2024 is my
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sobriety date is March March 5th 2024.
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Oh, a day after my birthday, hey.
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Look at that. My sobriety date is February
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9th, 2005. OK, OK, right on.
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I got a little time on you. You can.
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Catch. Hey, we all just got today.
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We just got today. Yeah, we just got today.
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Exactly, that's why I never. Win the day, man.
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Win the day, though. That's it.
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I just. Got sick the day and I've done
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the same thing ever since. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. So I couldn't even get a job at
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Walmart at this point, right? I, you know, I couldn't.
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Nobody would hire me. Yeah, nobody would hire me.
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And I brought some spaghetti and meatballs and some eggplant
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Parmesan to a meeting. And somebody was like, bro,
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this, this is the best sauce I've ever had.
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Why can't you just sell this? You know, you know, you know, go
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to farmers market, sell, sell your sauce.
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So I started looking into that industry which I had no
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experience in and I made a prototype and you know, June
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1st, 2024, I was making my first sale at Piggly Wiggly, 6 cases
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they were. That's awesome.
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So this is like recent too. This is cool.
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Yeah, and that's a big chain in the South.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, there's actually, it's
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nationwide. There's 500 Piggly Wiggles
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nationwide. And they were the first, they
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were the first grocery chain like before Piggly Wiggly.
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That's true. Bring bring your list to the to
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the grocer and he would go get all your stuff and bring it out
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to your car. So they actually had the patent
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on the shopping carts and shopping lanes.
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Sweet. Check out lanes, Yeah.
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I've been on radio so you know, I'm used to doing that shit, but
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that's pretty cool. So that's.
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So your book. Let's talk about your book a
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little bit here. So so obviously.
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So is this a family thing? Obviously your.
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Town. Yeah, yeah.
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My grandmother, my, my, both my grandmothers were from Italy,
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but the grandmother I used to hang out with down in New Haven,
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her house was in New Haven on Sunday.
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She'd be cooking, you know, every, every holiday, every
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weekend. We're doing something as a
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family together, you know? Yep, yeah, my wife's from my
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wife's family's from Sicily, so I understand the sauce thing,
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man, believe me. Yeah, my grandmother was Naples.
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OK, Yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know where.
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Like my wife, my wife's grandparents came over and
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really barely spoke any English. And my wife was the first one in
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her family to actually graduate high school and go to college
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and graduate college. So like, legit, like we went to,
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we went to New York, I don't know, years ago when, but Ellis
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Island was shut down from something because we wanted to
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go look for the records, you know, because they came through
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that way. And and we could so totally
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respect the whole Italian side of things.
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And, you know, sauce is everything.
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So yeah. Yep.
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And so I'm originally from, I'm from New Haven, CT, like I said.
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And then in 2014, I, I moved down to Charleston, SC, where
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there isn't really authentic Italian down here, you know?
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Good call, dude. Yeah.
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Good move. Yeah, it turned out, it turned
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out to work. Work in my favorite.
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So in the grocery stores, you know we're the only South
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Carolina based tomato sauce manufacturer.
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Really. That's awesome.
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Wow. Yeah.
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Well, I think people are finally realizing again that the mass
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produced sauce is junk, right? I gave up on that probably 20
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years ago. And I use all authentic.
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You know, there's no sugar. There's no.
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It's all. And I'll try your sauce for
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sure, because. Yeah, so, so that we, we would
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never, we would never be caught dead with a, a, a jar sauce in
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our house. You know, we all made it.
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Every single one of my family members makes it from scratch.
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You know what I mean? But this here is, you know, 6-7
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hours and you know, only doing small batches, but I but because
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of the demand for the product so fast, I have to scale
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production. The only way to do that is, you
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know, get the machines, get the equipment and and start cranking
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them out that way. But so I've.
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Been. You're still, but you're still,
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but you're still doing it the way that it was meant to be
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done, right? Yeah.
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I'm not, that would be like what I would consider a boutique
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sauce at that point, like, right, you know, yeah, I'm just,
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I would say I'm more concerned about the ingredients because
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people don't realize when you're dumping ragu down your kids
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throat. You're right.
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Yeah. Oh yeah.
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And a lot of people don't know that though.
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They're like, I'm giving them spaghetti.
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How bad could it be? Well, if you give them Prego or
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Ragu or one of those mass produced sauce, that's what I'm
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talking about. Yeah.
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Oh yeah. And more people are learning
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natural ingredients are the way to go.
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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And you look closely on those labels, they're all
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bioengineered. That's not even real tomatoes,
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you know. Yeah, no, I, I saw that on one
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of them. I clicked on I the second
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picture was the label. Let's see if I can pull it up
20:06
now. Yeah, I want to turn that one
20:09
right there. There you go.
20:10
Roasted garlic, sweet onion. Damn, Is that just boom in your
20:14
face right there? Boom in your face.
20:17
Like, yeah, like Amarillo, he's got.
20:19
One right there. Yeah.
20:21
Oh, you got a label? He just held it up.
20:23
There you go. OK, cool.
20:24
Right on. I don't know if they can see
20:26
that, but. I don't know either, but yeah,
20:28
it's all natural. All natural.
20:29
No, you know, that's awesome. No bullshit.
20:33
No bullshit man, I love that. Yeah, So what was happening?
20:36
You know I. Was yeah.
20:38
I had a commissary kitchen, you know, 8:00 at night till 4:00 in
20:42
the morning. I'm hand ladling sauce into 300
20:46
jars and putting the labels on my by hand too.
20:49
And at 15 stores that was it. That was the glass ceiling from
20:52
that location. So I actually shut it down and
20:56
started calling all different kinds of factories and stuff to
20:58
see who could do it and, and stay true to the recipe in the
21:01
process, which there weren't any.
21:03
I wasn't fine. I wasn't having any luck.
21:05
So that's when a possibly farms came to mind.
21:08
And now and some nonprofit ideas, you know, 'cause I was
21:11
having recovering addicts come and help me and volunteering at,
21:15
at the kitchen. So I wanted to, yeah.
21:17
So I wanted to build a, you know, a farm like a sanctuary
21:20
where people could get second chances and have find new
21:23
purpose and come farm with us, you know, and, and do the
21:26
pocket. That's awesome, man.
21:28
Yeah. Chills, chills.
21:30
Absolutely. That's fucking way to go, Joe.
21:33
Way to go, Joe. And I loved it.
21:35
I loved it from the bars to jars.
21:37
A saucy redemption story. That's clever, man.
21:40
It is very. I like it too.
21:41
Very. Clever.
21:42
That's really clever. I'm assuming you came up with
21:44
that. Yeah, yes.
21:46
So what was happening while I was working at the commissary,
21:48
you know, sometimes, a lot of times I was by myself and I just
21:51
started writing. I was going to write a book
21:53
about how to get into food entrepreneurism, you know, and
21:57
get a product to market, you know.
21:58
But what ended up happening was I'm trying to explain all this
22:01
stuff, writing it down. And it's like, you know, why
22:03
don't I go to the back to the beginning?
22:05
My, you know, I've always said my, my life has been like a
22:07
movie, you know, So from the music industry stuff and all the
22:11
shit that I was doing there, you know, I got to play with some of
22:13
the original members of the Whalers, like 17 years old, you
22:17
know? Yeah, I I mean, I played at this
22:22
place called the Acoustic Cafe in Connecticut.
22:24
That's where John Mayer got his start.
22:25
You know, I played out in LA at the whiskey a go go, you know,
22:31
opening for some of the members of Judas Priest, you know, so
22:34
I've been through, you know, I've seen some shit being in the
22:37
music industry. But and then and in my
22:39
testimony, my faith, you know, without my faith and, and that
22:42
moment in that jail, so none of this would be happening.
22:45
I should have been dead. You know, I got kidnapped in the
22:47
Bahamas. You know, the attempted murder
22:49
thing. It's like, and God was there the
22:51
whole time, whether I wanted to believe it or not.
22:55
That's cool, man. So, so now you mentioned you
22:58
referenced something about writing a book about how to be a
23:01
food entrepreneur. I think you should still do
23:03
that. Because.
23:05
That's something like I have I have the legit dude.
23:07
I I had a this is so random. So I had a smoker and I used it
23:11
once and I did it wrong and so I smoked out my house.
23:13
My wife now hates smoked foods. I totally get it right.
23:17
So I put it on Facebook marketplace.
23:19
Check this story out, Joe. So a guy comes and buys my
23:23
smoker and then about I friended him on Facebook and a couple
23:27
years later I it was his birthday.
23:29
So I wished him a happy birthday because I have a Facebook
23:31
birthday thing I do. And then he comes at me in a
23:35
message. Hey, hey, man, I just want to
23:36
let you know that that I should have him on the show.
23:39
Hey man, I want to let you know that that smoker you got me.
23:41
I ended up turning that into commercial business.
23:43
I'm like, what? So he actually, he started
23:46
smoking jerky, calling it butt rubs, and now he's kind of doing
23:51
what you're doing. He's he's trying to get.
23:53
In I heard about that company. Right.
23:56
That started because I sold them my smoker man, and it was a
24:00
tiny, it was a stupid little $100 smoker.
24:03
Nothing. Nothing exciting, just.
24:06
This little. Smoker that I like.
24:08
I think the kids got me from Home Depot and I just had it on
24:11
my patio with the screen door open and and I'm smoking, man.
24:16
And then I go inside. I'm just doing my thing and my
24:19
wife's like, you're smoking the house out.
24:21
I'm like, what? I'm like, oh shit, I realized.
24:23
So I shut the Arcadia door. Never.
24:25
I'm like legit swear to God, dude, she will not eat smoked
24:28
food now if her life depended on it because I smoked the house.
24:32
But just from that simple act of selling this thing from next to
24:35
nothing, I Dave took it off to a whole new level.
24:40
His own jerk, right. It's crazy.
24:42
That's awesome little things. So I think you should still
24:45
write that book because if you have if you have from the bars
24:48
to jars, you know the sauce of your redemption Shorty, that
24:50
gives you credibility right there.
24:52
And so I think that would be a great little how to.
24:55
Book. Well, here's the thing.
24:56
Here's the thing. A few of these chapters, it is.
25:00
It's given the instruction manual.
25:01
Yeah, I tell. I tell people exactly how to do
25:04
it. Yeah, exactly what I did.
25:07
But there's a second book now too, which is fiction.
25:09
So what happened was I, you know, I sent my man after I
25:12
published it. I rush published it because, you
25:14
know, the the stores were running out of product.
25:16
So I needed to keep my brand alive in these stores.
25:18
I didn't have another food product to put in there.
25:20
So I published a book, self published.
25:22
And now now I'm doing book signings and a book tour with
25:26
Piggly Wiggly. Well, I sent the manuscript to
25:29
Angel Studios, who did the chosen, you know, just roll the
25:32
dice, just random shot in the dark.
25:34
And about a month later they hit me back and we're so inspired by
25:38
the story. It says, hey, you know, why
25:40
don't you film a torch pilot? We want to see a torch pilot to
25:43
submit it to our Guild and let's see this thing go to screen.
25:47
So now there's a film adaptation.
25:49
And so I'm looking at looking into different producers,
25:52
directors, writers, all that stuff.
25:54
And while that's going on, I started writing a second book,
25:56
which is a fictional continuation of From Bars and
25:59
Jars. So this one's called The
26:00
Harvest, which it starts as if we get the farm off the ground,
26:06
a $15 million investment. But then all kinds of drama and
26:09
shit happened. So the, the now we're doing ATV
26:12
series. I'm already talks and with a
26:13
bunch of different people, heavy hitters I can't mention, but you
26:17
know, so it's like Yellowstone meets Ozark meets the Chosen
26:20
meets Shameless, kind of a, you know, family drama, spiritual,
26:26
faith-based series. Yeah.
26:29
Very cool, I like that. And here I thought you were just
26:32
a chef man like you open up this whole we could do a different
26:36
episode from every aspect of your life, Joe and and you were
26:40
going to bail today and I reeled you back in.
26:43
Yeah, thank God man, I know to. Hear a story about your smoker
26:46
creating an empire? We've done 152 episodes now.
26:50
I've never heard that. Story because it never came up.
26:52
I know. That's awesome though.
26:53
This conversation with Joe brought that back to life.
26:56
What? Made me man do it today Joe.
26:59
It was a. Time.
26:59
No, it wasn't. It was, No, yeah, it was a time
27:01
thing because I forgot that it was a 2 hour difference.
27:04
And I had a meeting with the National Italian American
27:08
Foundation. I'm doing an event in a custom
27:10
fragrance for them. So I had to present it to the
27:13
guest of honor for this event coming up in December.
27:16
But no, they, they, they totally understood and it all worked out
27:19
and here we are. Yeah, you're busy.
27:22
And he thought it was 9:00 AM too, which, you know, because we
27:24
talked, I don't know how long ago.
27:26
And then I started. I think I poked at your last
27:28
week as a reminder. Yeah.
27:30
But yeah, so that's the thing we've gotten.
27:32
We've gotten to the point to where like now we're booking in
27:34
December, you know, and I actually slowed it down a bit
27:37
because I was there was, we were so far out for stuff.
27:39
And I'm like, I just, I got to slow down a bit, but just for
27:43
the sheer fact that, you know, Mike and I got to breathe
27:46
sometimes. Well, and because of what he
27:48
just said, literally some of these people we started
27:51
contacting months ago and now it's coming up.
27:53
It was summertime probably when you talk to him the first time.
27:56
Yeah, it was. Yeah.
27:57
It's crazy. It's.
27:59
Also like, so when I tell you, yeah, go ahead.
28:02
When I, when I talked to you that first time, I've only, I
28:04
had only been on maybe two or three podcasts at that point.
28:07
I'd like the book just kind of just came out, just started
28:10
getting some traction. And since then man, I've been on
28:12
like 3035 different shows. Right on.
28:16
Very cool. Yeah.
28:17
That's very cool, man. So so from a book standpoint,
28:21
again, it's it's from bars. It's from bars to jars, a saucy
28:25
redemption story. And you can go Amazon, all the
28:29
online places, right? Yeah, yeah, Barnes and Noble.
28:32
Or you could get it right from my site.
28:34
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:35
And so you self published that you did it.
28:38
Yeah, yeah, that book I, I self published the second book will
28:40
be going through a a different publisher.
28:43
OK, that's cool. That's very cool.
28:47
So you got some apparel? Yeah, shirts and hats and stuff
28:51
like that, you know? Just cool.
28:52
We need some apparel. Chris, Donna.
28:54
What's that We need some I know we got to get apparel, man.
28:57
I know Maybe we should talk to Joe after the show and fragrance
29:00
now does your fragrance does it smell like like Italian sauce?
29:03
I. You know, I had a feeling you
29:05
were going to ask that everybody.
29:06
No, the the fragrance don't smell like garlic and the and
29:10
the sauce don't taste like perfume.
29:13
OK. But what it does do it, it is
29:19
positioning us as like a, you know, a, a premium brand, a
29:23
luxury lifestyle brand like, you know, absolutely.
29:25
You picture your picture going to a fancy Italian dinner,
29:28
you're getting dressed, you're spraying the, the Cologne, you
29:31
know what I mean? Then you get there and it and
29:33
it's my sauce on the table. Yeah, yeah.
29:36
And then you have 88 course meal and then you can't get up from
29:39
the table because, you know, food combo.
29:41
Yeah, they then you got to leave in a stretcher.
29:44
Yeah, right. But it's all right once in a
29:46
while, yeah, but it's all super good Italian food, so there's
29:49
nothing wrong with that, man. Hell.
29:51
Premium, it's quality. That's what you're going to get
29:54
with a possibility. That's that's it.
29:56
That's fantastic. Here would be my challenge to
29:58
you. I'm allergic to that dairy, so
30:01
you would have to chef me up some Dessie right away.
30:04
I love it. I love people.
30:06
Yeah. Yeah, I can't.
30:07
Yeah, that's the roasted garlic. The roasted garlic don't have a
30:11
doesn't have any dairy in it. Yeah, and it's hard to find
30:18
quality. That's why I want to try your
30:20
sauce. It's hard to find quality sauce
30:23
that isn't, you know, loaded with three kinds of cheese and.
30:27
Yeah, right, right. And I actually, I, so my product
30:30
line, the food products, there's actually 10 products.
30:32
So you got the four sauces. Like I got 3 marinaras, I got 1
30:38
pizza sauce and I got 2 sauces, hippy dip and trippy dip.
30:42
And then I've got. 4 Right on. 4 marinated veggies for like doing
30:47
like antipast like charcuterie boards.
30:49
Everybody's going nuts for that kind of shit.
30:51
So, you know, bang banging bellas, Banging bellas, cremini,
30:55
mushroom, red Peppers, artichokes and green olives.
31:00
It all sounds delicious. Faith food fragrance film.
31:04
That's cool, dude. That is cool.
31:07
And now I see you're married. How?
31:08
How long are you married? I May 19th.
31:15
No, sorry, May 11th. It was 16th.
31:18
When you get home. Oh, definitely.
31:20
She's. Listening.
31:24
She's listening right now. She might be coming on the
31:25
corner with a shotgun. There you go so so so this is
31:29
cool right here. So this is coming up right?
31:31
Wednesday, November 26th of this this year.
31:34
OK. So if you want, if you want to
31:35
go meet, you're going to go meet Joe Gallagher, the the author
31:40
from bars to jars. There you go, right there at
31:44
South Carolina, John's Island, 12 to 3 meters.
31:47
Is it a book signing? Yeah, it's a book signing.
31:50
It's weird. This is a clothing store.
31:51
Jane McLaughlin. They've got about 180 stores,
31:53
but they're like a boutique, high end boutique.
31:55
They're from New York, but their biggest location, their most
31:58
successful location is down here on Kiawah Island, where all the
32:01
rich people hang out. And so I'm, yeah, so I'm going
32:04
to have sampled the sauce, signed books, sample the
32:07
fragrance, the whole deal. That'll be a fantastic day for
32:11
you. Yeah, yeah, it's it's exciting.
32:15
They bought me an outfit. They gave me an outfit.
32:17
What is what is what is low country lunatics, Joe.
32:21
That's that's my podcast. I've got a podcast every Friday
32:25
at 11. Yeah.
32:27
Awesome. Yeah.
32:29
Yeah, I just started out about 3 months ago.
32:31
We've done, yeah, 19 episodes. That's, that's the latest
32:34
episode. Sarah Bolden, I know she's going
32:35
to be watching this thing. She's she's a Lyme disease
32:38
survivor and she's been bent, bent through hell and back.
32:42
Yeah, she's cool. She's on my my team.
32:45
Right on, dude. See, I like.
32:46
I like. I'll check it out for sure.
32:48
I'll put it in my like playlist. That's why I like the social
32:51
media stuff, because I can Share your story while we're having a
32:53
conversation. I love how you're doing this
32:55
man. I'm I'm taking notes now.
32:56
This is the way to do it. Share the screen.
32:59
Yeah, you know. It's funny, it's just this
33:02
turned into the same thing as the band.
33:04
I had one vision of what the band was going to be and then
33:07
when the other three members joined, I was smart enough to
33:11
allow them to have an opinion and it became something else,
33:15
right. So the same thing happened here.
33:16
I I had a vision of what I thought this was going to be in
33:20
it organically morphed into this and it's so much fun.
33:23
Like just given you an opportunity to tell what you do.
33:28
Like he said, we would have thought you were just a chef and
33:31
if we were a couple of assholes we would only ask questions
33:33
about food. Right.
33:35
Which is why we don't do pre interview stuff, which is why we
33:38
don't ask questions because because then you don't, you
33:40
don't learn this stuff. And the fact that like legit
33:43
everybody who who watches the shows and follows us now
33:46
understands this is real and raw in the moment.
33:49
We don't. We don't.
33:50
Real time we don't. Pre.
33:52
That's one thing him and I agreed on 100%.
33:55
We knew that we wanted it to just be a conversation.
33:58
Yeah, exactly. And this is better than better
34:00
than your ex right there. I.
34:04
Like that? OK, that's my life.
34:08
Sure. Right on, dude.
34:10
We'll just leave that there for a while.
34:13
Oh my gosh, she's going to kill you guys.
34:15
I know she is, that's why I left.
34:17
Is this Halloween? No Halloween yet.
34:20
Yeah, right on, right on. And who's she peeing?
34:22
Who's she pretending to be? Snoop.
34:26
I was going to say Snoop, but I didn't want to step on the toe,
34:28
man. Yeah.
34:30
Yeah, Snoop, Snoop, we're going to get Snoop Dogg on the show,
34:34
Mike. That would be outstanding.
34:35
You make that happen. I know.
34:37
Listen, I'll tell you what guys. So my graphic designer, the guy
34:40
that did that logo right there is Jason Hutton.
34:42
Look him up. He does all the great dogs, does
34:46
all Snoop Dogg's merge $0.50 merge.
34:48
Cool. Yeah, I met him from back in the
34:51
music industry. Yeah.
34:52
Yeah, wow, that is a great logo. The apostole one, right?
34:57
Yeah. Yeah.
34:58
I like this picture. I like that picture.
35:00
I like. I like artsy things.
35:02
At that time. I want some cheesy, but I like
35:05
that kind of stuff. It's cool.
35:06
Oh, there's it. There it is again.
35:07
Celebrate the season, boys and girls.
35:09
Go meet. Go meet Joe and taste his stuff.
35:12
Taste his sauce. Sign his buys book, he'll sign
35:15
it for you. So Reagan, are you a Reagan fan
35:18
or what? Where'd you come up with the
35:19
name Reagan #4? No, this is, I sponsored the
35:22
Reagan, the 3rd annual Reagan Gala, which is the South
35:25
Carolina Republican Party. Yep.
35:27
And so I was for their silent auction, I created 2 signature
35:32
cents just for the event. And so this is, this was one of
35:35
the products. Yeah.
35:37
Does it smell like Ronald Reagan?
35:40
I don't know. I hope not, because this is a
35:42
new debt. So this is your buddy Jason
35:46
Hutton. Did this hold this logo?
35:48
Before you get too far, No, don't be sorry.
35:50
Before you get too far away from the perfume and Cologne, how did
35:55
you get into that? How does somebody go from being
35:58
a chef, a musician, and all of a sudden they decide that they
36:03
know? Where did that come from?
36:04
We've never discussed that and it's been bothering me ever
36:06
since we talked about it. You know what?
36:09
I'm glad you asked, Mike. So way back when I had worked
36:13
for a distillery. Then I started a startup
36:18
distillery in Alabama. I was.
36:20
I got 10 moonshines out into the market, you know, got them
36:22
approved, created the formulas. The Moonshine.
36:25
Did the labeling and all that stuff.
36:27
But what I learned there is that, you know, during COVID, a
36:31
lot of distilleries switched their production to hand
36:34
sanitizer. They could have done hand
36:37
sanitizer and they also could have done perfume because the,
36:40
the, the biggest ingredient in perfume is ethanol.
36:43
And ethanol is a byproduct of, you know, that's not what's
36:47
going into your, your bottles of liquor, but it's actually the
36:50
waste, you know, the, the stuff that comes out really hot, you
36:53
know what I mean? When they run, run those.
36:57
Man. There you go.
36:58
Yeah. So, yeah, yeah.
37:00
And then the oils and stuff, that's a whole another process.
37:02
I had to research that. It's it's pretty intense.
37:04
Like I'm extracting the oils from woods and flower, flower
37:08
petals and stuff like that and blocks of coconut oil.
37:11
And then, you know, doing what they call entourage Rich, you
37:14
heat it up in the ethanol and it's a.
37:16
It's, I find that kind of shit fascinating, dude.
37:18
I'm one of these people that once I know that, I mean, I've
37:22
watched so many documentaries on that kind of stuff that now that
37:24
you explained it that way, I understand exactly what you're
37:27
doing. But until then, I'm like, how's
37:30
the guy? I'm trying to put the puzzle
37:31
pieces together, you know? Yeah, And, you know, there's a
37:35
science to it for sure, but there's also an art to it, you
37:37
know, because people will come to me.
37:39
And he's like, hey, could you make something that smells like
37:42
Arabian and and mystical? They're giving me like
37:44
emotional. Could you make something that
37:46
smells like hope? I'm like, well, what the fuck
37:49
does hope smell like? I don't know, you know, But then
37:53
I kind of got to, I got to put myself in the zone and then just
37:56
start mixing some shit together and, you know.
37:59
Now does this same guy do all your packaging and?
38:03
No, no, no. So he was my mentor.
38:05
I, I started doing all my own packaging.
38:07
So I'll call him on special occasions.
38:08
Your presentation is amazing, so kudo.
38:10
Yeah, it. Is thank you bro.
38:12
Thank you I love all I went to school for graphic arts there it
38:16
is my. Mug shot.
38:17
That's the intent of. Murder.
38:18
That's the mug shot. Yeah, yeah.
38:21
That's our. First mug shot for real on the.
38:23
Podcast. I love it.
38:24
Yeah, I'm sorry. It's like a totally different
38:26
guy. I don't even recognize that guy.
38:28
Right. I love, I love.
38:30
That's the cool. Thing about life, man, yes,
38:32
that's the that's the best thing about life.
38:33
You can. You can make the decision to
38:35
change and you can change. You can, and nobody's too far
38:38
going, man. Yeah.
38:40
No, people just think you're pigeon holed and you're just
38:42
stuck. You don't.
38:43
Look what you've done since then, man.
38:45
I'm just, I'm blown away at like your marketing and your
38:48
packaging. Amazing.
38:49
Logos and everything is just very professional.
38:51
I love it. That's the moonshiner I was
38:53
talking about. Yeah, Tony Griffin.
38:56
If you want him on your show, if you want, he's a good friend of
38:59
mine, we would. Love to yes.
39:01
Yeah, see, let's get a moonshiner.
39:02
Make that happen, Joe. That'll be fantastic.
39:04
OK, I'll text you. He'll he'll be.
39:07
He'll be thrilled. Get in touch with Chris, We'll
39:09
be thrilled. Yeah, that'll be fantastic.
39:14
That'll be awesome. Yeah, I tried to have him on my
39:16
show, but his Internet connection, you know, five times
39:19
we tried to record his interview.
39:21
Yeah. We've we've run into that too,
39:24
dude. Well, and I think there was
39:25
something spiritual going on because he's trying to blow the
39:27
whistle on, on somebody that was doing some crooked shit.
39:30
I, I or something, I, I can't even remember.
39:32
But he, we, and for some reason, the episode never got out.
39:38
Really. Well, we'll give it a shot
39:40
because we would love to talk to a moonshiner for sure.
39:42
I watched the show just like Chris did.
39:44
I'm fascinated with that kind of shit.
39:46
Yeah. Yeah.
39:46
So we had, we had. Go ahead.
39:51
Him, Jimbo Gray, Jimbo Bray, they both they're they're
39:55
partners and they 111 show he won the other show, so yeah.
39:59
Right on. Yeah, we had a we had a guy on
40:02
not too long ago, Dwayne Dwayne Parker, a country singer.
40:05
Guy's amazing. He was actually singing who did
40:08
the show live in the Appalachian Mountains and and was so.
40:11
We asked him about moonshine. He's like, Oh yeah, Since he
40:16
was, you know, little kid. Like, it's like, right on.
40:19
His music Joe is that authentic outlaw country that Lion and
40:26
Willie started 100 years ago. He's still doing it.
40:29
He played a live session one day and kudos to Dwayne.
40:34
I fucking cried at one of the songs he played.
40:36
He just knows how to capture your emotions.
40:40
Yeah, yeah, he. Wrote the best singer.
40:42
I'm not the best guitar player, but I know what a good song is,
40:45
right? Right.
40:46
And and, and he played first live.
40:48
My truck's on crack, dude. It was, it was the most fun we
40:51
had on the show. We were rolling, man.
40:55
We were just rolling. It was.
40:56
Crazy. My truck's on crack.
40:58
I love that. Yeah, the lyrics were perfect
41:01
for the title. Yeah.
41:03
Uh huh, Uh huh. Yep, that's a good one like
41:06
that, Joe. Yes.
41:09
Thank you. Thank you.
41:11
Now you know what's up with the Braves and Yankee hats, which
41:13
isn't man, Braves or Yankees. Neither.
41:16
OK, I got 40. I got 40 hats.
41:19
I've got 40 hats. You know, it depends on what I'm
41:21
wearing, you know, whatever, you know, that's why I just got
41:25
this. I just got this hat yesterday.
41:26
So now there's, you know, no more confusion.
41:28
Yeah, it was annoying, man. Like, I, I'm depending on what
41:31
kind of hat, what team hat I'm wearing.
41:33
I'm getting all kinds of questions.
41:34
Oh, did you see the game last night?
41:36
You know? Yeah, I'm like.
41:39
No, I'll make you a deal, Joe. I've been wearing the same Bears
41:42
hat for 151 or two episodes. If you send me one of those
41:46
hats, I'll wear it once in a while.
41:48
Oh, really? OK, there's my.
41:52
There's my I. Love that, Doug.
41:53
You know what I said? You know when people ask me
41:55
that, I'm like, listen, when one of those teams wants me to
41:58
endorse them, I'll throw out all the other ones.
42:01
You know, pay me. You know, my answer is just like
42:05
your answer to Chris. This hat fits me better than any
42:08
hat that I own. So that's what I that's why I
42:11
wear it. But I would be happy to wear
42:13
yours because you're cool. Oh man man, I appreciate that.
42:17
I know I need more walking billboards.
42:20
I think Chris said it way more eloquently earlier.
42:22
Or maybe you said it. I've been through some shit,
42:24
right? I think you said it.
42:26
Yeah, yeah. I We've been there, too.
42:29
I understand how dark you've been, what kind of mindset you
42:34
were in hopelessness. Chris understands that.
42:36
Yeah. All three of us have that in
42:37
common. And to come out the other side
42:40
and to watch him scroll through what he likes to call your life
42:44
resume is outstanding, man. It just, it gives me goosebumps
42:49
to think, you know, became a chef.
42:52
You became a marketer, you became a perfume maker.
42:56
It just it's. Outstanding.
42:57
Yeah. What is what is that one thing
42:58
that Kramer said about Remember when he came up with the beach?
43:03
The episode The Beach? Yes.
43:04
A fragrance. What was it?
43:05
A fragrance. Sex on the beach.
43:10
Yeah, but no, it was the ocean. But he wanted to be a fragrance.
43:13
He was pissed off because Calvin Klan ran with the without giving
43:15
him his due. And he's like, I could have been
43:18
a fragrance, something mogul or something.
43:20
Mogul. That was it.
43:21
I could have been a fragrance mogul.
43:23
Yeah, yeah. You know, now we, we need to
43:26
come up with some Chris and Mike Cologne.
43:28
Mike, hey, if you're going to have to have Joe Mint for us,
43:32
you know. You can put my name on it.
43:34
Listen, I do private labeling too.
43:36
So you, you tell me what you want.
43:38
I can, I can, I can get you AI can get you something.
43:41
There you go, I just texted you both so you have each other's
43:44
number. Oh, look at that tasty dish.
43:46
Sweet. Dude, yeah, it's been so long.
43:50
Fresh Basil. Authentic pasta?
43:53
Oh, I can taste. It well, you all are out in
43:55
Arizona, right? Arizona, Yeah, yeah.
43:58
Yeah, they don't. I'm in Arizona, like in Pontiac,
44:00
IL. Do they have Italian restaurants
44:03
out there? They do, but the one Sammy, the
44:06
bull that he owns, that he owned for a while, oh.
44:09
OK. It's called Uncle.
44:11
It's called Uncle Sal's that that's pretty legit, like pretty
44:13
authentic because, you know, OK, Bull.
44:16
Yeah, you're right. But it's but it's, you know, I
44:19
mean, it's just, you know, my wife, my wife makes her sauce is
44:24
amazing. Like it's legit like I won't
44:26
eat. I never liked sauce for years
44:27
because I was a kid. I had an incident at an Italian
44:30
restaurant where I threw up after eating the sauce.
44:32
Bad taste in your mouth, right? But so she made sauce, she made
44:36
sauce. And then it's just like, OK,
44:40
let's. You're not making me sick.
44:42
No. And it's and it's amazing
44:44
because it's, it's you know, you know how to make sauce.
44:46
You're Italian. It's the whole love and the team
44:48
and the slope. Yeah, you put your soul in it.
44:50
You have to slow cooking. All day process, Yeah.
44:53
We would start. We would start.
44:54
Man. Thanks, man.
44:56
Yeah, we, we would start a sauce at like 8:00 in the morning and
44:59
we wouldn't be eating till 3:00 or 4:00 in the afternoon, you
45:01
know? Yeah, absolutely.
45:03
It's a process, exactly. And you're so good to love.
45:07
Oh, there you go on the shelves. Yeah, that's the whole lineup.
45:10
That's everything. I'm just fascinated, like he
45:13
said earlier, how fast this happened for you man.
45:16
Like you had a vision, you put it to motion and bam.
45:20
Yeah, bam, there's a there's a lot of AI and there's the farm.
45:24
Well, it's an AI thing, you know, I, I usually have but but
45:28
yeah, yeah, the. Vision is there and we've
45:30
already. Seen you make something get.
45:32
Happened so I believe that vision too.
45:34
Yeah, me too. Me too, man.
45:35
I just had some calls this week with a billionaire who is
45:38
probably going to fund this thing so.
45:40
Sweet. I hope that happens for you,
45:42
man, because your your idea of what you want to do is just so
45:46
awesome. It could help so many people
45:49
stay on the right path and, you know, move forward and do things
45:53
productive like you did, like I did, like Chris did.
45:56
We became productive members of society, as I like to say, You
46:00
know, we're paying taxes. We're doing the right thing.
46:02
We're not in jail. Yeah.
46:04
Being an outlaw isn't sustainable.
46:06
Thank you. No, but I like you.
46:07
Can be an outlaw without being in jail.
46:10
Sorry, right, right. No, we had that.
46:12
We had that band on what Gibson and company, they're they're
46:15
outlaws, but it's outlaw music, right?
46:17
You're doing it in your own way, man.
46:19
Now you're an outlaw of the pasta business, right?
46:21
Exactly. You're an outlaw of the Cologne
46:23
business, the perfume business. You're an outlaws speaking out
46:27
for what you believe in. I love that.
46:29
And that's what we're looking for is people who are real.
46:32
Thank you. Raw and relevant.
46:34
Who's that guy? Who's that guy?
46:36
I don't know that guy, very daft.
46:38
I told AI told AI to to put me give me some air because as you
46:44
can see. Yeah, we're all in the same
46:47
boat, brother. We can make fun of bald people
46:53
because we're bald. I'm going to put this one on our
46:59
Facebook page. What's Costanza say?
47:01
This is the These are the remnants of a once great
47:05
civilization. Or something.
47:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
47:11
Yeah. And mine was a once great
47:13
civilization, I must say. Yep.
47:16
Forget about it. I was waiting for that.
47:18
That's why I was searching for this.
47:19
Like somewhere there's got to be this full blown, you know,
47:24
something. So there it is there.
47:26
It is. That's it.
47:27
Yeah, 1. Of the greatest movies of all
47:29
time. Definitely.
47:31
Actually the guy that is helping me get this investment right,
47:35
Jamie Trasiati, He owns a company called Goodfellas
47:39
Business Services and he he's friends with, he's friends with
47:43
a few of the guys that were in that movie.
47:45
He's got autographs with Paul Paulie Sorvino.
47:50
Yeah, All right. On.
47:51
That's so cool. Yeah, Polly was in Sopranos too.
47:54
Yep. Yeah, absolutely.
47:59
Dude this is awesome man. If you ever had a guest on your
48:01
podcast, reach out. Yeah, man, definitely.
48:06
Yeah, for sure. We both, either one of us be
48:10
happy to do it, or both of us together.
48:12
I want a story behind this. I don't even know what that I
48:15
was helping a franchise to sell some shit.
48:19
I'm just messing with you man. I want that it's gone.
48:22
It's gone. It's so quick.
48:28
Is that real or is that AI? That's AI.
48:31
OK, that's crazy, man. I do AI.
48:33
It looks real insane, right? Yeah, yeah.
48:36
Yeah, it's getting freaky, man. Yeah, Is that what you look like
48:40
when you're in the Rock'n'roll Day?
48:41
Yeah, I had the red Mohawk. That's when my hair started
48:44
falling out. You know, because you got to
48:45
strip your hair, right? Strip it, bleach it.
48:48
And. And it wasn't long after.
48:51
Yeah, 28 years old, I started losing my hair.
48:54
Me too to the I was the same age dude, and by the tub started
48:58
getting a little more full at the bottom every time I took a
49:01
shower, you know? Yeah, same age by the time I was
49:04
32. I should have given it up then,
49:06
but I hung on a little longer. OK, so here's your here's your
49:10
coming soon, the Netflix plug. So it's, it's, is it, it's, it's
49:14
the whole thing's going to be wrapped around the book from
49:16
bars to jars. Yeah.
49:17
So it's the first season. The first season is the base on
49:21
the well, it's all based on the true story because there's
49:23
elements of the second season that come from the first book.
49:26
But yeah, it's the first and second books.
49:28
But and Netflix is we're not locked in on that.
49:31
Yeah, I just put that out there to start manifesting.
49:33
But we're talking to we're talking to network.
49:36
So yeah. OK, cool.
49:38
Right on. Right on.
49:42
Who that? Yeah.
49:43
That's that's Chef Raffi. He's the the Puerto Rican
49:45
hippie. Yeah, Yeah.
49:50
He's not a chef either. But see that jar of salsa?
49:53
The jar of salsa. So it's a Puerto Rican hippie.
49:55
Puerto Rican hippie dip. Basically what I did.
49:58
It's it's bruschetta, you know? Yeah, OK.
50:00
It's bruschetta. Take out, take out, take out the
50:03
basil and put in cilantro and jalapeno.
50:06
There's your recipe. Right on.
50:09
Yeah. Very cool.
50:11
Yeah, that's awesome. Very cool so so that is that is
50:15
all of Joe's stuff man right there on the Facebook page
50:17
that's awesome that's fantastic so what's what's what's on the
50:21
horizon for you Joe The. Screenplay right in the
50:26
screenplay continue with that and then I've got some some
50:31
events coming up, some collaborations with different
50:34
designers in the fashion world. We're doing collaborations on
50:37
fragrances, some events coming up down in Florida, and I'm
50:42
supposed to go speak at the Rochester Cathedral in in the UK
50:47
in February. Nice, like a testimony type
50:50
thing. Yeah.
50:52
Wait on man, that's awesome. Yes, taking it as in common man.
50:57
That's that's fantastic. We need to have you come back on
50:59
next year when you kind of get some more traction on things
51:01
you're doing. So we can help you get that
51:03
stuff out there for sure. And then you and let me talk
51:06
about creating a fragrance. OK.
51:10
Yeah, I'm down, man. Definitely.
51:12
We we had a we had a guy who makes guitars for he made a
51:16
guitar for Peter clip from candle box and and a couple of
51:19
guys from Everclear. He's he's making Mike a guitar
51:21
now. Monkey house.
51:22
Oh wow. What up So?
51:24
Yeah, it's. Going to get a custom custom
51:26
guitar made so. It's awesome.
51:29
And then it would be. Cool to have a custom Cologne
51:31
too. Right, right.
51:34
You got to get some cool shit out of putting forth all this
51:36
effort to do this podcast. Right.
51:38
Listen, you need a consumable, consumable product.
51:40
You need merchandise. You know?
51:42
It's that way, you know. We're going to.
51:45
Be streaming streaming, you know, it's to monetize your your
51:49
content. It takes a long time and a lot
51:52
of hell of a lot of listeners, you know, millions to really to
51:56
start living off that income. And we're doing, yeah.
51:58
And we're doing everything organically.
52:00
So like since, since March, we've grown, you know, over
52:04
200,000 views. And but we put I put content on
52:07
YouTube page three times a day, Mike.
52:09
Does constantly. So, so it, I mean that that
52:12
itself is, is, is and the dynamics cool because it's 2100
52:16
subscribers and over 200,000 views.
52:18
So, you know, the numbers are legit.
52:20
It's not that. Oh, I have a million
52:21
subscribers, but only 3000 views, man.
52:23
There's something wrong there, man.
52:25
Yeah. And we get hit up with that all
52:26
the time. Like, I can make you grow.
52:28
I'm like, no, no, I don't want to buy.
52:30
I don't want to buy people. I want it to be real.
52:33
Yeah, real. That's.
52:34
Real right, And it's a cool. Story to tell man, because we
52:38
literally started it was him and I with a 2 second delay from
52:42
Illinois to Arizona and he dealt with it like a trooper for 50
52:47
episodes to the talking to you who's someone who's, you know,
52:52
turned their life around 1 moment to having jars of
52:55
spaghetti sauce on the Piggly Wiggly shelves in the matter of
52:59
like a couple years. You know, it's just.
53:01
Yeah, not, yeah, not even it took.
53:03
Several a couple years. Within six months, I outgrew my
53:07
production capacity and then I started getting calls from Food
53:09
Lion. They've got 1300 stores, Publix,
53:12
1300 stores. You know, I've got approved for
53:15
Walmart. I'm in their system too now and
53:17
I'm just waiting, yeah. Very cool.
53:20
So let me ask you, let me ask you this, and you don't have to
53:22
answer the question if it's too personal.
53:23
Like, OK, so say you sell. You sell it a jar, say for 10
53:25
bucks, right? A jar of your sauce.
53:28
And then Walmart takes it, puts it on their shelves for 10
53:30
bucks. So how much of that 10 bucks do
53:31
you see? You know, So what?
53:34
No, I have my, my production cost, my, my cogs, you know
53:39
which and then I'm more. I'm more question.
53:42
I'm more than 10 cost. Yeah, I'm not going to give up
53:46
exact numbers, but I mark it up to the distributor, the middle
53:49
man, right, or the store, the retailer, and then they mark it
53:52
up. They got to make a certain
53:53
percentage to the end user. So when my my product lands on
53:57
the shelf at 999, you know, everybody's eating.
54:01
Let's just put it that way. OK, cool.
54:03
Well, yeah, because you know, with music like you like Snoop,
54:06
Snoop Dogg was famous for one of his one of his songs hit a hit a
54:09
million downloads and he made 30.
54:11
Randolph that a million 1 billion with AB and he made 40.
54:15
6000, yeah. So that's, that's so I know it's
54:18
a percentage thing, right? So I wasn't, I didn't want you
54:20
to give up the entire thing, but like, hey, if you know, like
54:23
like I had a conversation with the with the butt rub guy and I
54:26
just, I know the answer to him because I was just wondering if
54:29
it's got to be kind of the same thing because obviously it's got
54:31
to be. They're looking.
54:32
You're looking for percentage on your margin, right?
54:35
We want to. Because you have to make money.
54:36
They have to make money. I get all yeah.
54:38
Yeah. So I mean, so I've sold 7038
54:42
jars in six months, which equals about $48,000, right.
54:46
But that was my break even. I put that much money into
54:50
making that happen. And that's at 15 stores.
54:53
So it's, it's a volume game, you know, it's high volume, low, low
54:56
margins. Whereas on the on the, on the
54:59
perfume, you know, the margins are a lot higher.
55:01
So you don't have to sell as many of them to make the same
55:04
money. Right on.
55:05
Sure. Cool.
55:06
That's cool. So I wonder, let me know when
55:08
you come up with a with a, with a pasta sauce perfume, because
55:10
then I'll put it behind my ear and see if my wife wants to
55:12
nebulize. I might do, I might do a
55:16
commercial. I might do a commercial like
55:18
that spraying sauce all over my face or some shit that.
55:23
Would get people's attention man.
55:25
It sure would. Yeah, it sure would.
55:28
That's awesome. That's awesome.
55:31
All right, so if you want to find Joe, you just go to
55:33
posteoli.com. You can also find him on
55:36
Facebook at Joe Gallagher Junior.
55:37
He's also on Instagram. Let me pull up your let me pull
55:41
up your Instagram. I had it a minute ago just so I
55:46
can share that so people can see you on the Instagram.
55:49
Yeah, I've got, I've got three different Instagrams, 3
55:51
different Facebooks, you know, Apostoli, Low Country.
55:54
One comes yeah, yeah, this one's coming right off your right off
55:58
your website. The the, the, yeah.
56:00
So, oh, we're not following. There we go following.
56:03
So there's. Instagram.
56:05
Page, you know. I'll go follow you from the
56:08
podcast page too. Yeah, and all the different
56:11
hats. So if you've seen one of the
56:12
Yankees hat, definitely talk to him about the Yankees because
56:14
he's a huge Yankee fan and a Braves fan.
56:16
He. Loves to talk baseball and
56:19
Georgia football. Goodbye.
56:20
Fuck you, Chris. Fuck you, Mike.
56:28
Yeah, he'll, he'll entertain you for hours.
56:33
I'll shoot. I'll blow my brains out.
56:35
Somebody starts talking to me about baseball.
56:38
You talk. To him about a pasta, a pasta
56:40
totally. Yeah, yeah.
56:42
That's it. That's awesome.
56:44
That's awesome. And go by go from bars to jars.
56:47
Yeah, a saucy redemption story. Joe.
56:51
Joe Gallagher Junior, you can find him on all the social media
56:54
things. Go check him out.
56:55
Go buy his book. Dude, you're in South Carolina.
56:58
You can go meet and greets and all that kind of jazz.
57:00
Dude, what an amazing life resume.
57:02
Dude, an amazing life resume. And here I thought you just a
57:04
guy who is a chef and wrote a book.
57:07
So you completely just. But again, that's why we do it,
57:11
how we do it, because. It's that's what made more so
57:13
much fun too. Yeah, yeah, 'cause we learned so
57:16
much about you. I appreciate you guys.
57:18
Time and and your life, it's just.
57:20
What a We appreciate you, brother.
57:22
Yeah, and now you're married, you got a business you're going
57:25
to go into into the the boob tube and have the TV show going
57:29
on. Maybe that's going to launch
57:30
into, you know, big screen and stuff.
57:32
That's outstanding, man. Yeah, there's no telling.
57:35
Good for you. And just to put this into
57:37
perspective for you, the reason that we do this this way is
57:42
Chris and I could, we've already paid for all this, right?
57:45
We, him and I could talk to each other till the cows come home.
57:48
Yeah. It was fun for a while.
57:51
And we've done so much of what we're doing right now that I
57:54
agree with what he said. You know, it's time to, you
57:57
know, maybe have a couple episodes for ourselves again,
58:00
that's how far we've become from that, right?
58:03
But this is so much fun, man. We'd I don't think either one of
58:06
us realized what this is, what it was going to become, and how
58:11
much fun it's become to. 28 countries now 28 countries.
58:17
Wow, that's just. Mind boggling to me and the.
58:20
Numbers are starting to, like you said with your, you know,
58:23
it's a numbers game, right? It's the same thing with doing
58:26
this. We started out, Nope, nobody was
58:28
watching. Nobody cared.
58:30
We'd get two or three views. And it was great.
58:32
You know, hey, somebody watched it, didn't say no views, right.
58:36
Right. To the point where the other
58:38
day, for some reason, we had a huge spike where somebody found
58:41
it in the Matrix, right. And a new 128 people found it,
58:47
right? And about 46% of them signed up.
58:51
So yeah. Like Chris, that's really good.
58:54
It was encouraging 2. 1000 to 2100, almost overnight.
58:58
Yeah, it's just weird. You fall into these little
59:00
algorithms that just work. Yep, Yep.
59:03
Yep, Yep. So it's cool, Joe, you're a
59:05
superhuman man. Great life resume.
59:07
Thank you so much for giving us your time because time is
59:09
valuable. We appreciate that.
59:11
Hey, thank you. I appreciate you for having me.
59:13
Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity.
59:14
Yeah. Absolutely.
59:16
So we always wrap up like this and don't leave when we're done
59:19
because once we once we stop the show, we're going to give you
59:21
some more details. So if you are feeling suicidal,
59:23
depressed, don't do it. Go screaming a pillow, go
59:26
journal, go outside for run, go workout.
59:28
Somebody will miss you. Somebody does love you.
59:30
So the only way tomorrow is better is if you wake up in it.
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If you can't find somebody to talk to, text 988 because they
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are standing there right now waiting to talk to you, to help
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you come off that ledge and help you work through whatever
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struggles you're working through.
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I'm Chris. He's Mike.
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This is Chris. My show.
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This is Joe Gallagher, Chef Giuseppe.
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Thanks again, Joe. Super life resume.
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Go check him out. Go Gallagher.
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Go yeah. Joe Gallagher.
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Oh my gosh. Joe gallagherjunior.com or a
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postioli.com. You'll find him just looking
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forward to talking to you again. Man, I wish you all the.
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Best with everything. Thank you.
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God bless everybody. God bless.
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Thank you. Yeah, you too bro.
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Complete turn around man. Fantastic.
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Love you brother. Love you too man, Take.
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Care. Peace, Peace.