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24-Year-Old Hong Kong Model Found Dead in Bangkok Apartment · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: At five point thirty PM on a Thursday in July
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  twenty twenty four, twenty four year old Gwendolyn Cretin, who
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  was actually known professionally in the modeling world as Gwenson.
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  She was captured on a Bangkok security camera doing something
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  just well, entirely mundane. Yeah, she's just walking her dog.
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  And then just forty five minutes later, her boyfriend was
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  frantically begging neighbors to help carry her bleeding body to
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  his car, and he was claiming she had suddenly inexplicably
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  stabbed herself to.
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  Speaker 2: Death, which is nine times. Yeah, it's just the ultimate
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  cognitive dissonance. You have this completely serene, verifiable baseline of
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  domestic normalcy at five point thirty die and less than
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  an hour later a scene of just incomprehensible violence. It's unbelievable,
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  the narrative that frankly defies basic human biology exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So today we are diving deep into Gwendolen's case. She
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  was a Eurasian model, she held both a Swiss passport
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  and a Hong Kong identity card, and her life ended
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  in Bankok Prout district.
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  Speaker 2: And we really had to pull from a lot of
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  places for this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've pulled together a massive stack of international reporting
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  on this, combing through time media, the South China Morning Post,
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  the Bangkok Post, and the Standard.
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  Speaker 2: We really needed all those different geographical sources because the
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  official narrative, or at least the initial narrative that was
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  given by the only surviving witness, it just shattered almost
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  immediately upon contact with reality.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because our mission for this deep
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  dive is to reconstruct that incredibly tight timeline.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the forty five minute window.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are going to look at the glaring contradictions
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  in the story the police were told, and then you know,
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  use that to look at a much broader systemic issue vulnerabilities, right,
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  the profound hidden vulnerabilities that young, highly mobile professionals face
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  in the international gig economy. Like if you were listened
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  to this and wondering how a successful internationally represented model
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  ends up in a situation where her neighbors are essentially
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  her only emergency contacts, which is terrifying to think about,
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  it really is, But you have to understand the isolating
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  reality of cross border industries to get how that happens.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very specific kind of vulnerability. I mean, you're
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  looking at how a private domestic tragedy instantly triggers this
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  massive international response involving forensics, multiple consulates, and well cross
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  border jurisdictions.
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  Speaker 1: So we need to begin at the exact moment the
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  narrative fractures. We have to start on the evening of
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  July eighteenth, twenty twenty four, because to even begin to
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  understand the complexities of the diplomatic and legal aftermath, we
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  first have to understand the sheer, concentrated chaos of the
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  event itself.
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  Speaker 2: We have to look at the geography first.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this happens in Bangkok's Prew district. What kind of
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  area are we talking about here? I've seen it described
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  as a mix of like residential and commercial.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Prow what is in the eastern part of Bangkok.
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  So it's not the intense, neon lit tourist center of
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  Cucumvent Okay. It's rather an area that has seen a
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  lot of suburban and middle class residential de de element.
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  You have parks, massive shopping centers like Secon Square, and
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  a lot of modern condominium buildings.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a bit more settled, right.
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  Speaker 2: It's very popular with expats. Digital nomads and creatives who
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  want modern amenities and security, but you know, slightly removed
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  from the downtown congestion. Got it. And crucially for this case,
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  these modern condo buildings are universally equipped with heavy CCTV surveillance, which.
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  Speaker 1: Brings us back to that five point thirty PM footage.
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  She's on camera walking the dog. I just I can't
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  stop thinking about how poignant that is.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: It's an unconscious moment. You know, she has no idea.
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  She's establishing the timeline of her final hour alive.
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  Speaker 2: Right and from an investigative standpoint, it establishes her physical
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  and emotional baseline, which is so important exactly she is ambulatory,
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  she's engaged in routine care for a pet. There are
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  no visible signs of distress. It narrows the window of
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  the inciting incident down to a matter of.
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  Speaker 1: Minutes, because at six twenty five PM, just forty five
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  minutes later, the normalcy completely shatters, according to the time
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  media reports neighbors in her building. Here a woman screams
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  echoing from her specific apartment, and.
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  Speaker 2: What follows is just pure chaos.
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  Speaker 1: Total chaos. The same CCTV system that caught her walking
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  the dog now captures a yellow car, which reports associate
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  with her boyfriend, and it's moving erratically, backing up, pulling
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  forward in the area near the building.
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  Speaker 2: And the boyfriend is identified in local and Hong Kong
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  reports as a man named Way or Way Kit. Right,
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  and his behavior in these crucial minutes is well, it's
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  the focal point of the entire initial investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Because after the screams are heard, he is seen pacing,
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  he's visibly agitated, and he doesn't just call emergency services now.
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  Speaker 2: He actively enlists the help of two neighbors in.
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  Speaker 1: The building, which is wild to me.
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  Speaker 2: He gets them to help him physically lift Gwendolen's body,
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  carry her out of the apartment, down the halls, and
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  load her into that yellow car.
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  Speaker 1: With the stated intent that he is rushing her to
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  get medical help.
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  Speaker 2: Right, look at that strictly in a vacuum, in the
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  absolute immediate panic of a crisis, human behavior can be erratic.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, people panic, Yeah, a.
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  Speaker 2: Frantic rush to a vehicle might look like a desperate
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  attempt to save a life when waiting for an ambulance
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  feels like it will just take too long.
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  Speaker 1: But I keep getting stuck on the fact that he
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  pulled the neighbors into it, like was he panicking or
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  was he creating witnesses?
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  Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you're trying to save someone who is bleeding profusely,
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  moving them without stabilizing them is like the worst thing
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  you can do.
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  Speaker 2: It's terrible for the victim. Yes, but I guess if.
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  Speaker 1: You're not a medical professional, you might not know that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a highly debated aspect of the timeline. Moving a
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  critically injured person, especially down hallways and into a car,
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  it accelerates blood loss, right, But more importantly for the police,
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  moving the body fundamentally alters the primary crime scene. Oh
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  of course, you are spreading forensic evidence all over the place,
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  changing the position of the body relative to the weapon,
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  and introduceing third party DNA the neighbors into.
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  Speaker 1: The mix, right, which creates a nightmare for the crime scene.
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  Text Later on, So they get to the hospital, the
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  authorities are involved, and Way provides his official narrative.
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  Speaker 2: He tells the hospital staff and the Tie police that
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  Gwendolen attempted to take her own life.
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  Speaker 1: He claims it was a suicide, and he attributes it
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  to depression.
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  Speaker 2: That is the line he drew in the sand. He
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  completely committed to that narrative to the first responders.
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  Speaker 1: But the physical reality of her body completely destroys.
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  Speaker 2: That narrative, absolutely destroys it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the autopsy and a police report specified that
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  she suffered multiple stab wounds. Some accounts explicitly state there
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  were nine stab wounds, nine and these were not superficial.
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  They were fatal, deep injuries to her neck, her throat,
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  and her chest. I've been trying to wrap my head
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  around this, and honestly, it's like trying to pass off
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  a demolished house as wind damage when there's literally a
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  wrecking ball sitting in the front yard.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very accurate way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you ever got in a papercut, you
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  know your body instantly recoils. How could anyone expect authorities
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  to accept a suicide narrative when faced with nine stab
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  wounds to the throat and chest.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he was relying on the chaos of the moment,
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  and frankly, the stigma of mental health struggles to obscure
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  the physical impossibility of the.
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  Speaker 1: Act, right, banking on people just accepting depression as the answer.
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  Speaker 2: But your point about the body recoiling is exactly where
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  the science of forensic pathology steps in right. The tie
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  investigators treated this as a homicide almost the second they
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  looked at the injuries. And it comes down to the
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  biomechanics of human survival instinct.
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  Speaker 1: Break that down for me, what are the physiological hurdles
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  if someone actually tries to do what he claims she did?
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  Speaker 2: When a human being attempts suicide with a bladed weapon,
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  the psychological wall they have to climb is immense, obviously,
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  but the physiological wall is even higher.
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  Speaker 1: Because your body wants to live exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Our nervous system is hardwired to prevent self destruction. The
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  moment a blade breaks the epidermis, pain receptors flood the
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  brain with signals to withdraw, to just pull away, yes,
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  to push past that. To drive a knife deep into
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  the cartilage of the chest or the dense muscle and
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  vital vessels of the neck requires an extraordinary sustained override
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  of basic.
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  Speaker 1: Biology and doing it nine times.
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  Speaker 2: It is practically mechanically impossible for a single individual to
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  execute on themselves. After the first or second deep wound
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  to a highly vascular area like the throat, the resulting
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  drop in blood pressure causes rapid loss of consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: So you'd pass out.
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  Speaker 2: You pass out, and the muscles lose their ability to
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  grip the weapon.
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  Speaker 1: That makes total sense.
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  Speaker 2: The sheer number of wounds, combined with the fatal severity
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  of their locations, points immediately and definitively to an external
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  assailant wielding the weapon with sustained force, so.
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  Speaker 1: The body simply wouldn't allow you to keep going. You'd
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  pass out long before wound number nine, which means the
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  entire aftermath. The pacing in front of the cameras the
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  yellow car enlisting the neighbors takes on a completely different,
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  much darker context.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely, once the police established that the suicide narrative is
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  biologically impossible, they have to reevaluate every single action the
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  suspect took in the aftermath. The hypothesis shifts from panicked
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  boyfriend trying to save a life to suspect intentionally staging
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  a rescue.
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  Speaker 1: Staging a rescue, so bringing the neighbors in was essentially
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  drafting unwitting extras for his alibi production.
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  Speaker 2: That's the prevailing investigative theory.
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  Speaker 1: That is so dark.
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  Speaker 2: By involving third parties, you attempt to corroborate your own
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  state of shock and grief. If the neighbors see you
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  crying and begging for help, they will tell the police
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  he was devastated, he was trying to save her.
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  Speaker 1: It creates a veneer of innocence.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, but it backfired because the physical evidence was too overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: It is incredibly chilling to think about a domestic space,
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  you know, an apartment, turning into a theater for staging
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  a crime scene.
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  Speaker 2: Very chilling.
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  Speaker 1: But if he moved the body and the neighbors helped,
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  how do the police actually prove what happened in that room?
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  Like when the only surviving witness is the primary suspect
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  lying to your face, how do you mathematically prove him wrong?
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  Speaker 2: This raises an important question about how we look at
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  the role of forensic pathology, particularly in cases of intimate
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  partner violence. When the victim is gone and the suspect
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  controls the verbal narrative, the forensics become the ultimate, unbiased
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  advocate for the victim.
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  Speaker 1: The silent witness.
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  Speaker 2: Right the blood, the tissue, the angles. They cannot be
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  bullied and they cannot be silenced.
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  Speaker 1: The sources mentioned that investigators look for very specific markers
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  when dismantling a fake suicide claim. In these types of cases,
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  they talk about the direction and depth of the wounds,
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  hesitation marks, and blood spatter patterns.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, those are the big three.
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  Speaker 1: I want to understand exactly how they measure this. Let's
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  start with direction and depth. How does a medical examiner
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  look at a wound and say she didn't do this?
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  Speaker 2: It comes down to basic geometry and leverage geometry. Yeah,
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  think about the lever action of your own arm. If
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  you are holding a knife and attempting to stab yourself
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  in the chest, the angle of entry and the depth
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  you can achieve are severely limited by the biomechanics of
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  your wrist, your elbow, and your shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because you're turning it inward.
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  Speaker 2: You are pushing against your own body's resistance.
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  Speaker 1: Because your elbow hits your side, or your risk can
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  only bend so far back exactly.
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  Speaker 2: A forensic pathologist will actually insert a specialized probe into
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  the wound tract to measure the exact angle and depth.
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  If an attacker is standing in front of you swinging
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  a blade, they have the entire arc of their arm,
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  their core body weight and momentum behind the strike.
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  Speaker 1: That's a huge difference.
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  Speaker 2: In four massive They can drive a blade through bone
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  like the sternum or ribs at steep, downward or upward
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  angles that a victim could never physically achieve on their
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  own body.
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  Speaker 1: I see. So it's not just that it's deep, it's
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  that the angle of the depth proves the weapon came
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  from outside the victim's physical reach precisely. And what about
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  hesitation marks. We hear this term thrown around a lot
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  in true crime, but what are they physiologically?
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  Speaker 2: Hesitation marks or tentative wounds are superficial cuts found near
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  the site of a fatal wound in genuine suicide cases. Okay,
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  they usually only break the epidermis or the top layer
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  of the dermis. They happen because the percy is literally
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  testing the blade, building up the psychological resolve to make
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  the lethal strike.
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  Speaker 1: Like we talked about before, the body fighting.
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  Speaker 2: Back, right, the nervous system is fighting bad, causing them
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  to flinch or pull away at last second.
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  Speaker 1: So if someone really was trying to take their own life,
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  you'd likely see these shallow scratches around the main wound.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, often parallel to each other. The absence of hesitation
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  marks combined with deep, forceful erratic wounds like the nine
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  wounds reported in Gwendolen's case, strongly suggests a sudden, violent attack.
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  Speaker 1: It indicates a struggle.
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  Speaker 2: A dynamic fight for life, yes, not a solitary internal
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  psychological battle.
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  Speaker 1: And that dynamic fight brings us to the blood spatter.
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  If he moved her body to the car, wouldn't the
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  blood evidence in the apartment be compromised.
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  Speaker 2: The pooling of the blood on the floor might be
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  smeared or altered. Yes, But blood spatter analysis, more accurately
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  called blood stained pattern analysis or BPA, looks at the
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  macrophysics of the room, meaning what it tells the story
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  of motion.
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  Speaker 1: How So, like the difference between blood dripping versus splashing.
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  Speaker 2: Much more complex than that. They were looking at the
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  velocity of the droplets. Okay, if someone is attacked, they're
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  usually fighting back or fleeing. When a weapon is swung,
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  it creates what we call cast off patterns. Blood adheres
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  to the blade and as the attacker pulls their arm
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  back for a second strike, centrifugal force throws tiny droplets
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  of blood onto the ceiling or the walls in a
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  distinct linear pattern.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Wow. So even if he cleans the floor or
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  moves her, the ceiling could literally show the arc of
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  his arms swinging nine times precisely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you also have arterial spurting. If a major vessel
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  in the neck is severed, the blood is under immense
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  pressure from the heart, it will spray in a pulsating
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  pattern matching the victim's heartbeat onto nearby surfaces. A suspect
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  staging a scene cannot easily fake or clean up the
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  complex physics of a high velocity violent struggle.
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  Speaker 1: Because they'd miss the microscopic stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly without leaving microscopic traces that luminol or other chemical
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  regents will easily expose.
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  Speaker 1: It is sobering to realize how much the human body
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  documents its own destruction.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: But what makes this specific case even more complex is
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  the context. We aren't just talking about intimate partner violence in.
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  Speaker 2: A vacuum, no, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about it happening in a foreign land.
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  Gwendolen was a Swiss Hong Kong model living in Thailand.
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  I was reading through the sources and it struck me
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  just how isolated that makes someone, Oh, incredibly isolated. I
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  mean think about how police normally investigate domestic violence. They
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  rely heavily on relationship history. But how do you gather
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  character witnesses when the couple's primary social no work is
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  thousands of miles away.
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  Speaker 2: It is a massive compounding difficulty. In a localized case,
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  if a woman is killed in her hometown, detectives can
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  immediately interview her childhood friends, her family members, or neighbors
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  who have known her for years.
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  Speaker 1: Right, they can paint a picture.
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  Speaker 2: They can establish a historical pattern of controlling behavior, previous
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  domestic incidents, or financial abuse.
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  Speaker 1: But in Bangkok, for a transient expat, the Taie police
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  just have this apartment and the immediate aftermath exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The isolation of living in a foreign city can act
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  as a profound mask for an abuser.
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  Speaker 1: That is so terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: An abusive partner can weaponize the geography. They can cut
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  the victim off from their distant support networks much more
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  easily because of time zone differences and the sheer cost
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  of travel.
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  Speaker 1: And there are language barriers right like if Gwendolyn felt
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  threatened weeks prior going to the local Tie police as
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  a foreigner who might not speak fluent Tie is incredibly daunting.
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  Speaker 2: It creates a massive friction point for seeking help. Unfamiliar
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  legal systems, uncertainty about your visa status if you leave
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  a partner who might be sponsoring your stay. All these
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  factors trap victims in foreign countries. Right for the tai
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  police arriving on the scene that evening, they're looking at
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  a snapshot of relationship with zero historical context.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have the luxury of asking the victim's mother,
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  who lives in Switzerland, what the boyfriend's temperament was like.
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  Speaker 2: No, they only have the forensic truth of the.
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  Speaker 1: Room, which makes those blood spatter patterns and wound angles
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  not just important, but absolutely vital. It's all they have
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  to speak for her and to truly understand why Gwendolyn
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  was so isolated in that Bangkok apartment, we have to
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  transition from the grim reality of the forensics to the
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  socioeconomic realities.
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  Speaker 2: Of her life, because the two are connected.
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  Speaker 1: We need to look at who she was and the unique,
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  highly mobile industry she worked at.
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  Speaker 2: Right, because her vulnerability in that apartment is inextricably linked
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  to the structural realities of her profession. The international modeling
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  industry requires a level of transience that strips away traditional
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  safety nets.
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  Speaker 1: Let's look at her professional footprint. She was only twenty
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  four years old when she died, but she had been
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  active in the industry since at least.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen, so she started young.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, navigating this world when she was around eighteen. She
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  had a Swiss passport and a Hong Kong ID and
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  in the East Asian market, that specific background. The Eurasian
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  look is a massive commodity, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It has been a highly sought after esthetic in the
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  commercial and editorial markets across Asia for decades. Honestly, brands
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  in Hong Kong, Mainland, China, Japan and Southeast Asia heavily
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  cast Eurasian models for.
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  Speaker 1: Campaigns because it appeals to a broader demographic.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, it bridges Western and Asian consumer demographics. But to
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  capitalize on that demand, the models have to be extraordinarily nomadic, right.
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  Speaker 1: They follow the seasons and the regional casting calls. The
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  reporting notes. She had a passed contract with Calcarey's International.
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  Speaker 2: Management, which is a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. For context, Calcarey's is a heavyway firm in Hong Kong.
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  They helped build the careers of massive names in the
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  nineties and two thousands, people like Gail Locke and Danielle
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  Graham very prestigious. But here is the crucial detail. The
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  source is highlighted. Gwendolen's contract with cal Carey's bended in
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  twenty twenty four. She also had a profile with East
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  West Models in Frankfurt, Germany, and she had just done
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  a shoot for an Italian brand in January of twenty
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  twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: So she is literally bouncing between continents every few months.
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  Speaker 1: And Bangkok serves as a massive regional hub for these creatives.
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  Speaker 2: It does. The infrastructure for photography and film production in
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  Thailand is world class, but the cost of living is
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  lower than in Hong Kong or Tokyo.
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  Speaker 1: So it makes sense to live there, right.
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  Speaker 2: So mini models and digital nomads used Bangkok as a
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  base camp. But living there carries all the standard risks
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  of any major metropolis, which are amplified heavily by the
• 18:51
  fact that you are a temporary resident without deep community roots.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, because I think the
• 18:58
  general public has a massive misconcier about the gig economy
• 19:01
  for models.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, we see.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: The glamour on Instagram and we assume these agencies act
• 19:07
  like protective parents, or at least like a corporate HR.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Department, right that they're heavering over them.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we think there are handlers making sure they get
• 19:15
  to their hotel safely, checking on their well being. But
• 19:18
  from everything I've researched, that is a complete myth.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: It is a profound myth. The term agency implies a
• 19:26
  level of pastoral care that simply does not exist in
• 19:29
  the standard modeling contract.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I was trying to think of a way to describe it,
• 19:32
  and it seems like agencies are basically high end travel agents,
• 19:36
  not parents.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: They give you the itinerary, they negotiate the fee for
• 19:41
  the ticket, they take their twenty percent cut. But once
• 19:44
  the shoot wraps, or crucially, once your contract ends, like
• 19:48
  Wens did earlier that year, you are completely.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: On your own without a safety net.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: There is no severance package, no continued housing support. You're
• 19:56
  just out there.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Your travel agent analogy is very accurate. What's fascinating here
• 20:02
  is how the hypervisibility of the public image obscures the
• 20:06
  sheer precariousness of the labor reality.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, You have
• 20:12
  a twenty four year old woman functioning essentially as a
• 20:15
  multinational independent contractor R. She has to navigate international borders,
• 20:20
  secure short term housing, manage complex visa, runs, file taxes
• 20:24
  and multiple jurisdictions, and deal with the immense constant psychological
• 20:28
  pressure to maintain a flawless public image.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: She is a one woman corporation, but she has no
• 20:34
  HR department to go to if she's facing domestic abuse.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The industry has had necessary awakenings regarding workplace safety.
• 20:42
  I mean there are constant conversations now about on set exploitation,
• 20:46
  the treatment of underage models, and financial transparency.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Sure, the hashtag me too movement changed.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: A lot of that, right, But domestic safety, personal wellbeing
• 20:56
  during the ninety percent of the time you aren't on set,
• 20:59
  that is a massive gaping blind.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Spot because legally the agency is only responsible for you
• 21:05
  while the camera is flashing, right, they.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Don't provide mental health resources, they don't provide relationship counseling, and.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: They signally aren't sending someone to check on the domestic
• 21:14
  living situation in a Bangkok apartment complex exactly.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: And when you are living in a model apartment with strangers.
• 21:21
  You're isolating with a partner in a foreign city where
• 21:24
  you don't know the local emergency protocols, you are incredibly vulnerable.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It's the ultimate trap of the modern gig economy. You
• 21:31
  have intense curated visibility, thousands of people are looking at
• 21:35
  your face every day on billboards or social media, but
• 21:38
  you have a profound lack of actual tangible safety networks.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: The isolation is built into the business model.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So when a crisis hits, and it culminates in the
• 21:48
  horrific violence of July eighteenth, it doesn't just stay a
• 21:52
  local Bangkok issue.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: No, it's spirals.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Because she was a transient professional with ties to multiple countries,
• 21:58
  and because her alleged killer also had cross border ties,
• 22:02
  her death activated a massive, multi layer diplomatic and legal machine.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: It becomes incredibly complicated.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And honestly, looking at how this works behind the scenes
• 22:12
  is mind boggling.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: The jurisdictional puzzle in a case like this requires intense
• 22:17
  diplomatic coordination. It involves treaties, consular law, and international policing standards.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: And crucially, it moves at a completely different, much slower
• 22:26
  speed than the public or the media expects. Very slow
• 22:29
  let's break down this labyrinth because it's fascinating and incredibly
• 22:33
  frustrating for the families involved. Yeah, think about the layers here. First,
• 22:37
  the crime happened on Thie soil, right under international law,
• 22:40
  that means the Royal Thai Police and Tay prosecutors have
• 22:43
  absolute primary investigative and prosecutorial authority.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Is their jurisdiction, full stop.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: But the victim, Gwendolen was a Swiss citizen. So what
• 22:53
  exactly can the Swiss government do?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Swiss Ambisi
• 23:00
  has the right and obligation to provide consular assistance.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: But that is largely administrative and supportive.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, they cannot send Swiss detectives into Bangkok to take
• 23:12
  over the crime scene.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: They can't just swoop in.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: No, they notify the next to kin, They assist with
• 23:17
  the harrowing logistics of repatriating the remains, and they monitor
• 23:20
  the Thai investigation to ensure their citizens' case is being
• 23:23
  handled according to standard legal procedures.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: So they act as observers.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And liaison exactly observers, so.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: They can watch, but they can't steer the ship. And
• 23:34
  then you add the third layer she held a Hong
• 23:36
  Kong id. But more importantly, the primary suspect why is
• 23:39
  a Hong Kong resident. How does Hong Kong factor into this,
• 23:43
  especially given its complex relationship with mainland China.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: The Hong Kong Immigration Department's Assistance to Hong Kong Residents
• 23:49
  Unit gets involved because the suspect is one of their
• 23:51
  residents facing severe criminal charges abroad. They monitor his treatment
• 23:56
  to ensure he has access to legal representation and isn't
• 23:59
  subjected rights violations.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Right because he's still a citizen with rights.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Furthermore, because Hong Kong is a specially administrative region of China,
• 24:08
  Chinese diplomatic channels in Thailand are also kept in the loop.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It is a practical nightmare. I want to put myself
• 24:15
  in the shoes of her family for a second. You
• 24:18
  are sitting in Switzerland or Hong Kong grieving a sudden,
• 24:22
  violently unexpected loss of your daughter. It's unimaginable and immediately
• 24:26
  you are forced to navigate this bureaucratic wall. You are
• 24:29
  dealing with evidence handling across borders. You need legal documents
• 24:33
  translated from complex legal ti script into French, German or English.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Which requires certified sworn translators.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And you are dealing with entirely different standards of legal
• 24:43
  proof and court procedures.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, the Thai criminal justice system operates on a civil
• 24:48
  law framework, heavily reliant on written depositions and magisterial.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Investigation, which can feel very alien if you are used
• 24:55
  to a different system.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It is an agonizing, opaque process for family who just
• 25:00
  want answers and.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Justice, which brings us to a really fascinating aspect of
• 25:04
  the story and honestly a critique of how we consume information.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: The media cycle.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in July twenty twenty four, this case exploded. It
• 25:13
  had every single element that drives the modern algorithm in
• 25:16
  international clicks it. Did you have a beautiful, young, successful model,
• 25:21
  you have a cross border romance turned deadly. You have
• 25:24
  cruesome sensational details, the nine stab wounds, the alleged staging.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And that highly poignant CCTV footage of her walking her
• 25:32
  dog exactly.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: The South China Morning Post, the Bangkok Post, international wires,
• 25:37
  everyone was covering it for about seventy two hours.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: It was a very intense initial burst of coverage. The
• 25:42
  facts of the arrest, the statements from the local police captain,
• 25:45
  the agency connections. It saturated the news cycle.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Because the juxtaposition of glamour and violence is highly consumable
• 25:52
  for the public. Sadly yes, But then silence, a prolonged,
• 25:55
  deafening silence. If you try to search for meaningful updates
• 25:58
  on the trial or the friend of conclusions in the
• 26:01
  months following July twenty twenty four, the trail goes incredibly cold,
• 26:04
  almost nothing. I was digging for hours and there's almost nothing.
• 26:08
  And I have to ask, what does this say about
• 26:10
  modern news consumption? How does a story that gripped multiple countries,
• 26:15
  that involved embassies and major modeling agencies just vanish from
• 26:19
  the public eye.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: It's to start contrast.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: It really challenges you to think about how we treat tragedy.
• 26:25
  Do we just view it as true crime content that
• 26:28
  we scroll past once the initial shock wears off.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: It's a very fair critique of the twenty four hour
• 26:33
  news cycles, short attention span, the media ecosystem thrives on
• 26:39
  the inciting incident, the shock. But there is also a
• 26:42
  deeply structural legal reason for that silence, which is important
• 26:47
  to understand. The lack of updates in the international media
• 26:50
  absolutely does not mean the case is dead. Or that
• 26:52
  the Thai police stop caring.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So what does it mean.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: It reflects a quiet, grueling phases of a legal system.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: What's actually happening during that silence is Is it just
• 27:00
  trial prep?
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Yes? But trial prep on an international scale is agonizingly slow.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Because of all the translations and jurisdictions we talked about.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Exactly in Thailand, as in many jurisdictions, there are strict
• 27:12
  pre trial legal restrictions and gag orders on what police
• 27:16
  and prosecutors can release to the press once formal charges
• 27:19
  are filed.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Oh to protect the trial.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Specifically to protect the integrity of the jury or the
• 27:25
  judicial bench. The slow, meticulous grinding of court proceedings just
• 27:30
  does not make for daily international headlines.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So they are doing the actual work while the media
• 27:35
  looks away.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly forensic testing, getting the official peer reviewed toxicology and
• 27:40
  bloodspatter analysis reports takes months. Translating those technical depositions through
• 27:45
  official diplomatic channels takes months. Preparing a cross border prosecution
• 27:50
  ensuring every piece of evidence maintains its chain of custody
• 27:53
  so the defense cannot get it thrown out on a technicolity,
• 27:56
  it can take years. It can take years the media
• 27:58
  moves on because they're there is no new information to
• 28:01
  feed the algorithm. But for the prosecutors in Bangkok, the
• 28:04
  suspect in a high prison, and the family in Switzerland,
• 28:08
  the case is dominating their every waking moment.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: It's a stark reminder that justice isn't an episode of
• 28:13
  television that wraps up in forty five minutes.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: No, it's a marathon.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? We've covered a massive
• 28:19
  amount of ground here today, We really have. We started
• 28:22
  with a horrific chaotic scene in a pro wet apartment.
• 28:26
  We dismantled a false suicide narrative by looking at the
• 28:29
  hard biomechanics of forensic pathology.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: We explored the hidden, isolating dangers of the transnational gig
• 28:37
  economy for young creatives.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And we navigated a three country diplomatic labyrinth.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: The main takeaway is recognizing the vital role of objective forensics.
• 28:46
  Absolutely when a victim is isolated and a suspect attempts
• 28:50
  to control the narrative through staging or exploiting mental health stigmas,
• 28:54
  forensic science is the only mechanism they can speak for
• 28:57
  the dead.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: The blood spatter doesn't lie.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and Equally important is understanding the structural failures around
• 29:03
  these highly mobile industries. The glamorous veneer of international modeling
• 29:08
  heavily obscures a profound lack of safety nets and support
• 29:11
  systems for the human beings actually doing the work.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: It really reminds you to look beyond the billboards, the
• 29:17
  magazines and the curated Instagram feeds. You have to consider
• 29:21
  the vital importance of personal support networks, especially for young
• 29:25
  professionals living these highly mobile, seemingly glamorous lives.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: It's so easy to fall through the cracks if you.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Are moving to a new country every three months for work.
• 29:34
  The risks of becoming isolated in a dangerous domestic situation
• 29:38
  are just astronomical.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Knowledge and awareness of these systemic blind spots are the
• 29:43
  very first steps toward changing how we protect vulnerable transient workers.
• 29:48
  The agencies and the industry at large need to recognize
• 29:51
  that their talent safety doesn't end when they step off
• 29:54
  the set.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: As we wrap up this deep dive, there's one final
• 29:57
  lingering thought I want to leave you with. It's something
• 29:59
  we have explicitly discussed, but it hovers over this entire case,
• 30:03
  and honestly over our modern culture.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I want you to consider the deeply bizarre reality of
• 30:08
  the digital age.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: We live in, the digital footprint left behind.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, think about it. A twenty four year old woman's
• 30:15
  life is violently, abruptly ended in a Bangkhok apartment. Her
• 30:19
  physical reality is gone.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It's tragic.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Yet if you search her name right now, her professional
• 30:25
  images from Milan, her dormant YouTube channel, her perfectly curated
• 30:30
  social media presence, they all remain perfectly preserved.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Online, suspended in time.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: They are suspended in this perpetual state of animation while
• 30:39
  the slow, silent, grueling gears of the tie justice system
• 30:43
  turned behind closed doors. Over the next few years, her
• 30:46
  digital ghost is going to live on forever, completely accessible,
• 30:50
  completely flawless, unaging.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: It creates a profoundly unsettling dissonance.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: It really does you.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Have the pristine, eternal public image forever asking the horrific,
• 31:01
  violent and messy private reality of her final moments.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: It forces us to ask a really difficult question about
• 31:08
  ourselves and our society. In a world that is so
• 31:11
  utterly obsessed with capturing, filtering, and consuming the perfect image,
• 31:14
  how do we actually honor the messy unresult and profoundly
• 31:18
  human reality of the life that was actually lived behind
• 31:20
  the lens.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: That is a question we all need to deeply consider
• 31:23
  as we navigate both the digital and the real world.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this deep dive.
• 31:28
  We appreciate your time, your curiosity, and your willingness to
• 31:32
  look past the surface of the headlines. Keep questioning the
• 31:35
  narratives you encounter in the world, and we will catch
• 31:38
  you next time.