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Bears free agency breakdown: Deep dive into offseason additions · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Wendy city podcast that guy right there is Alex Shapiro and Kenneth Davis and this is presented by fan cited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got bare stuff to talk about no kind of we always have bare stuff to talk about yes, but we got to talk about free agency and of course a trader to and maybe a resigning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to start off with the things that are the most significant, all right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess, out number one, when it comes to the significance, we should probably start on the defensive side of the ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's going to be a question as far as will the bear's recign any of their paths starting safeties?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, that is all pro Kevin Bayer to third and bear strafted player Kevin,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me one of those come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason for that is the bears may have, it looks like they've upgraded even with the season that Kevin Barra had last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a younger player who is a lot more versatile has played all over the defensive backfield and is a Super Bowl champion in safety, Kobe Bryant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coming here to Chicago, one of the biggest name, perhaps the bears did sign,
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[SPEAKER_01]: after the Tampa and period opened up, followed them of course and we'll continue just with the guys we're going to really feast on today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody that I felt had Denys Alley written all over him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just was like he's going to end up being a bear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's Devon Bush, former Steelers, got his career back together with the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the fastest linebackers in the league, you're going to kind of go in away from that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cover two, lovey, mattey, berfluous tall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tall interior linebacker off the ball linebacker which you had of course in Brian Arlacker and in Tremont to Main Edmonds for giving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But last but not least, and this is something we definitely got to go into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Bears made a trade for Grant Bradbury from the Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to take the place or at least right now it seems to fill in the spot of Drew Dalman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they'll do something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would hope that maybe there's a battle at center and maybe he's a more of a depth piece, even though it looks like he's going to be a starter, or if they will look at adding a rookie to perhaps grow behind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Grant and we'll perhaps take care of Bradbury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Garrett Bradbury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sicily has one season remaining on his contract form, but I can also so we've seen him inside of the vision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just out of those three, Alex, your thoughts on what the bears have done so far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a really interesting start with twists and turns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: did not see the Garrett Bradbury thing happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were so laser focused on Conner McGovern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were so laser focused on Tyler Lindembaugh, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were looking at free agency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That bam all of a sudden they swing this deal similar to how they brought in Jonah Jackson and Joe Toney last year, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're looking at free agents free agents free agents,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, get a veteran dude and it's also interesting, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about how are the bears going to deploy their capital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of figured they're going to spend big on the center because that interior of the line is still a big, big focus for this offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously that relationship with Caleb Williams is super important for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, they don't spend so much money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They spend draft capital on center to get another veteran who knows what he is doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he a Tyler Lindemob?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but this is a guy who is
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a vet, he's a vet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they go, the cheaper salary route there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they end up spending on safety and area we're going, yeah, maybe they go a little budget on safety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they go day two, day three, pick on safety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where they bust open the piggy bank is for one of the best defensive backs in the league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm believe I believe Versatile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: guy and then by adding Devon Bush we have so much more clarity at linebacker it once again looks like TJ Edwards is going to be your mic and Devon Bush I was talking with some people who know the Browns cover the Browns are like hey is this going to be the mic is he going to be the will they thought that Devon Bush they're like hey he's he's the will that's what he's probably going to do there
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got here as you said, your Dennis Allen super fast guy, they upgrade there in the speed department.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know Dennis Allen wants speed out of that unit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So with three maneuvers, then and three years 40 million dollars for Kobe Bryant and we'll go in depth with all three of these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure in a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: three years 40 million dollars so far the most money they've spent which is it's not a small contract but they didn't go out and pay the crazy crazy money for a top of the market guy at a top of the market position instead they've spread out their dollars they use some draft capital and they've done three things that on the surface look like hey given that Drew Dalman has retired and Drew Dalman is no longer a part of this team
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[SPEAKER_00]: they've upgraded their team and they've gotten better at these positions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So on paper on paper, I'm a fan of these three moves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think the bears did pretty well for themselves this offseason in these early goings here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I like the Kobe Bryant signing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Devon Bush, I have to see how to learn about this play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I like it, but I still have to see where the how they're going to use them, how will he plays?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not forget last year with the Browns and knowing that that was a contract year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had to ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's always a fear where players playing a great in their contract year and they had to play at that level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Season's prior to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I know you did have an injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the air, but that was years past.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Garrett Bradbury signing, meh, you went from having a top five center, like even when you signed Drew Dominal, let me say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only so much you can do because Drew Dahlman retired on you, all right, so I'm not totally poo pooink it, but the thing is you saw how the importance of having a center and the difference that it can make a quality center now when you look at Garrett Bradbury, you're talking about a guy that won't do much when it comes to the run game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's where he's weaker at compared to he's better in the past.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not necessarily a run-run guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a wrong one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you making this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've heard something contra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not an offensive line coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not an offensive group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But listening talking with people who know a lot more about this than me, a shout out Clay Harbor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Clay Harbor was talking about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our guy Clay Harbor, good dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, thinks he's a good fit for what the bears do with their specific run ski that the outside zone stuff and some of the zone blocking should play to Garrett Bradbury's strengths a little bit more so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it might be more of a scheme fit thing where, yeah, you know, there are certain areas where he's not going to be the best center on the block and listen, I don't think anybody's saying that he's uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to beat their doors down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be a world beater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be a world beater at center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, given the hand that they were dealt, they clearly didn't want to pay the ridiculous, not ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, a large sum that, that Mr. Linda bomber, he got paid by the Raiders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't comfortable going all the way there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they got a guy who might be a solid scheme fit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, is a veteran, knows what he's going to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And check this out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, through the Super Bowl, through the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is what 21 games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: only gave up two sacks last year and only committed one penalty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So pretty disciplined guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty disciplined guy where you're not leaning on hey, you're playing alongside Jotunie, you're playing alongside Jonah Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you help with some of the zone blocking and just do your job in the middle?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't fall start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty good with very few amount of
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't hold stuff like that where it seems like okay, is he going to be a force multiplier guy is he going to be a world leader like you like to say maybe not but he might not be
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[SPEAKER_00]: a huge detriment either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so 26 overall grade, and this is PFF grades, 26 overall grade out of 32 centers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 28th grade versus the run, 19th on pass was great, 18th on true pass sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't sound anything like what the bears just had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, it's to a certain degree and again, shout out to Clay and Clay is played in the league and he does, I hope he's correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this isn't gonna be like Drew Dahlman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, everything you hear from anybody that watched the Patriots was basically like decent, but you know, nothing to write home about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You hope that the guards around him can lift him up and help sustain him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, he's a veteran is not that he's a scrub.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but you had what you we hoped was a top three center last year, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he basically lived up to that making it, making it into the, um, the probo, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like so when you think about that, um, I just think it was, it was man, you know, like to me, I hope there are plans to beef up that the center position more than just going to the situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed similar
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[SPEAKER_01]: to a degree on what the bears have done in the past under Ryan Pose, where, and you could say you even prior that, there's been a lot of stop-gap centers that just couldn't carry enough water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that, and again, it's not a knock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get, if you're not going to, I understand that overpaying Tyler Lindebomb because even with how good of a center he is, that was an overpay when you look at how much centers have been paid in the past and you add on for inflation, it still was an overpay for Tyler Lindebomb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but again, when he's going to a team that's sucked last year, you're going to have to overpay and mention in the Raiders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bad teams, we have to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bad teams have to pay through the nose to get you to come there because there's a change you may not excel anytime soon while you're playing for said team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that out of those three, that that one is the one that's
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[SPEAKER_01]: was if you get a really great center or a really good center, we've seen what having what may just be a serviceable left tackle could be with this line when the other four guys are playing at a premium level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Talk left tackle, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's being a service serviceable left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it to me and again, listen, you can't do everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bears don't have the cap space that they had last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan polls kept the powder dry for years when it came to cap space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when Ben Johnson got here, he was like Spend it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or if you ever watched the Flintstones as a child, charge it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was that's what it was basically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, but you, I think there has to be something like, you and I've talked about, well, maybe go conservative and use this draft to improve certain aspects and we'll get into that somewhat what initial, but of course, perhaps in our next episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that and that has to be the dream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the bear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm always going to have a tinge of rose, a colored glass rose color shades on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not going to be, and I'm not saying you're BS and the people that are following us and listening to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That signing, I hope, in my heart, it was a contingency plan as far as, all right, how crazy are the Simmons going to be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, maybe there are some centers that teams are moving off of IE Green Bay that maybe we can get our hands on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can have him or we can move him, but regardless, he's not getting that paid that much if you wanted to cut him, right, even if you're just like, you know what, we toss it, but I would hope it was more of just in case we're out here and there's no dance partner, at least I got somebody at close in time to go home with, you know what I'm saying now, I don't may not want to stare that hard when the lights come on, but at least the bed's going to be warmth tonight if you get my trip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: everything about the deal gives them room to make another move, whether it's like you said, somebody comes available, you could still add that player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not making that much money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You gave up a 27 fifth round pick, not even their fifth round pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This, I don't think they had their fifth round pick this year anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they already gave it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they give up next year's fifth round pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, yeah, sure, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's next year's problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to worry about the 2027 draft in 2027.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was not a very large price.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could absolutely still draft another center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could absolutely still add to that group if something unforeseen happens and somebody becomes available, or it's not the end all be all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you've got us, like, in the meantime, you do have somebody in the building who can do the job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's not, it's not the worst case scenario, but I don't find any means far, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we'll get back to Kobe Bryant and Devin Bush.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now, at your left, because we made sure we finished off in some lines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At left tackle, and this is something we've talked about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You brought back Braxton Jones for what it looks like five mill can be $10 million.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the hope that the Braxton Jones that performed for you last year was one that couldn't train, but was more of no was coming returning from injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was rehabbing more than he was training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did he get a real chance to see can Dan Rochard make an improvement with how he coaches the offensive line?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps there's something clearly they had to ask him what his thoughts were, or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, you know, I mean, it seems the longer we get into it and you said this, and I was like whatever, but the Aussie Chapello situation was worse than what, you know, saying I expected initially when he was injured.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it seems like he may miss a large chunk of Latin next year, which again, that's why we were kind of like maybe you should bring in some guys to come in a guy, a stopgab guy that can make next year, perhaps not, I won't say it's going to be a waste, but you still have a chance to strike when the iron is high and that's not to say it's still can't because seems to get hot, seems going runs this line conform as a unit and be a nice, be a one year sensation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for all we know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not impossible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They still got some great guys, but last year, out this last part won't say about the line before we jump to the left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year, you went Joe Tune in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Drew Dahlman and the reclamation project was a guy that was a really nice lion guard that had fallen out in a season with the Rams, but you knew one, he's a lion guard getting back with the offensive coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been a really good player in the past, not just the serviceable player in Jonah Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Jonah Jackson was really the one that we were kind of like let's wait and see and was the low the low total low guy on the pole, but he had a better pedigree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: than what grit grit, grit, grit, bad very has.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that to me is where again, where my concern lies because you saw what guys having a certain pedigree can do for your offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, everything doesn't have to be attacked in the same fashion, but I still have to point out my concerns as far as what's taking place so far when it comes to this offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it was interesting, you know, getting back to Brasson Jones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was Brasson Jones ever fully healthy last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At training camp last season, he still looked a little ginger on his feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe he wasn't fully trusting his ankle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was recovering from ankle surgery, which is not a small thing, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially for a big guy carrying a lot of weight on his ankles and your footwork has to be so precise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to have a ton of trust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the mental side of it, trusting your ankles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he was spending all of that time just getting comfortable on his ankles, was he able to like really play at a hundred percent less here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if there's some of that inside the building of, okay, let's give, here's our new world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's our new deck of cards that we're playing with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the hand we're dealt with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what Braxton Jones can do on a prove it deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See if he can get any better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's bring a little competition as well because very recently, they Adam Shefter says they signed Ginger Quills to former first round pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Looks like he was gonna be a good player for the Browns and then what happened to Ginger Quills, some little fraction of the Browns, he was still seriously derailed by injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the kind of the pedigree on this guy,
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[SPEAKER_00]: first round pick out Alabama, looks solid, injuries, hampered his 2023 and his 2024 season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't play it all on 2025.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting the way the bears are going now between Braxton Jones, a fifth round pick who has played and started and been a serviceable, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Name of the game, he's been there, he's done it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Judric wills a guy with better pedigree, but hasn't played so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now our are the bears trying to say like okay we're throwing some stuff on the wall and let's see who comes out of this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, they aren't paying a ton they can again still add to this group with more draft picks if they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're gonna, I know you're gonna shake your head at me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Karana Magaji, still in that building, feel bened it, still in that building, where it feels like last year, how it was a four-horse race last year, and they like figured it out, they piece me all together, they were able to make something work, even though it never felt like plan A.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might be that again, they might go into a four-horse race again between Braxton Jones and now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, potentially, if you've been at it, maybe Kranamagaji again, and then hopefully just with a little bit more seasoning for the younger guys, maybe Brexon Jones is healthier again, maybe wills is finally healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just seems like, hey, can somebody emerge and be our dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so a couple of things I want to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year, and again, he was injured at the beginning, where he was coming back from rehabbing and we're talking about Braxon Jones from the ankle injury, which again, even more where offensive linemen is about reaction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing that I think is, and again, it's just me on outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's easier to play receiver than it is to play defensive back because as a receiver, I know I'm going as a defensive back, you have to react and I can look and throw you off and see how wide your gap is and oh, I'm about to, I'm about to run out this route and cut out this route right now, I'm using that compare to a defensive line, I'm attacking you, I'm going either way and you are trying to step to prevent me and you don't know what's behind you, you can be stepping on the fellow linemen's foot is a lot of things it could be the quarterback or whatever, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at no point that he ever re-enter the competition for left tackle last year, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even when he lost a job, he lost a job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even when he seemingly was healthy again at the end of the year, and you had to play your best lineman at left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, it was Braxton Jones was not break glass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Joe Tony.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Joe had that Mr. McFadden at that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now when you're talking about the new Alabama tackle that they're bringing in, I'll raise you one and serve you Alex Leatherwood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have, we have seen this movie before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it seems like a lot of Ryan pays doing old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Ryan polls Ryan polls doing old Ryan polls It's when it that wasn't working and it's like, let me go back to what are you It's done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me go back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, I thought we stopped right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought we learned the lesson like yo That's not the move and it seems a lot like the move and again now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now was it it was it again
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[SPEAKER_01]: see more thing, see more thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you think that Dan Rochard can sit here and that he can really turn a turn to Diamond.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the hope?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you've seen this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the one year, your quarterback out of the last four and a half, five years was a running for his life was because you went out and he just spent
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[SPEAKER_01]: draft a capital or cash on bringing in center guards, I mean, guards, center guard, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then blessed Joe Wright tackle finally popped that we've been waiting on the pop, right?
22:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're like, let me get back to how you used to do it.
22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, bro.
22:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about, I don't think so, like again, if it works, I'd love to be wrong.
22:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just pointing out, hey, think about this, because we've seen this movie before, and we all know what the definition of the sanity is to do the exact same thing and to expect a different outcome.
22:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, again, now you didn't have Joe Toney.
23:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Darno Wright wasn't down there, right?
23:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Jonah Jackson is better than the Garce that you've had last several years.
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So you do have three pieces there compared to, it was a lot of holes and we were waiting for down there right.
23:17
[SPEAKER_01]: But still, I got to see what they do because, and again, this is the problem with Azachipillo giving us.
23:26
[SPEAKER_01]: something to think about as far as maybe they finally got a guy and no one up none of us were saying at that time that he's a world reader but it was like hey no one's saying his name which damn that's a really good thing right exactly he was indesible out there which is perfect that's perfect that means nothing's happening over there it's alarming to any of us right and um that's just where my concern lies when it comes to the offensive laughter
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: particularly where I get it, we're going to have shiny toys for Caleb.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: If Caleb can't stand up right, and sooner or later too, and I said, don't.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know he's still really, really young.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: The things that he does are going to be limited by hits an age, right?
24:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to have to protect him also from himself, right?
24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's going, well, he wants to get out and wing it.
24:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
24:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not usually a formula for consistent success.
24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a formula for when we need you to do it.
24:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank goodness, we got Batman.
24:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you got Superman back there.
24:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But we need a lot.
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Now always say this.
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: We need a lot.
24:32
[SPEAKER_01]: of Clark Kitt do a Superman thing, but not opening up his shirt because he doesn't want to reveal who his identity is.
24:38
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we need to get my hands wearing his fake glasses.
24:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It's glass, look, there's a fire over there.
24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody sees you, right?
24:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they need something hot.
24:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody can see it coming from you.
24:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Stuff like that.
24:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
24:52
[SPEAKER_01]: We need a little bit of that before you go full cam Newton with the Superman sign exposed.
24:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Your skepticism.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: and your reservations and your concerns are all noted and they're all extremely valid.
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all extremely valid, Ganesh.
25:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We would be up here lying if we just was sitting here like, it's all good.
25:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm not saying you're doing that, but again, looking at the success that you had, the large chunk of why you were in a playoff's last season was when that line after the buy was able to run the ball, and how quickly they jailed,
25:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're able to take Caleb from being the most sack quarterback the season prior to a quarterback that was in sack nowhere lose what 40 40 less sacks was it wasn't something like 20 compared to 60 something that's dramatic all right you were David carnit up and you brought him down we've seen it with our other former quarterback and just the fields.
25:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And you did that, and hopefully again, they're able to do that this year, but I'm just trying to point it out that these some of these things are rummaging through my brain.
26:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
26:01
[SPEAKER_00]: What do they say?
26:02
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have four left tackles, you have none.
26:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
26:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
26:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but if people take us a joke, but like right if you could like you would know right when you're like man we just trying to see what we got that's a problem right and it's like even if you got a rock Peter to pay Paul and if this season when you go with you move off of DJ more.
26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, I think we have the prerequisite weapons and no one that they still don't break hands on weapons, right?
26:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Either do the draft or maybe create the still loom and they like, let's go get this receiver or something of that nature, but you're going to need to protect him also in doing such.
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully, now look, maybe this is it.
26:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's going to be a lot more of Caleb not holding onto the ball because that can help
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: one two three balls out all the time for the most part unless of course the play breaks down and the guys are covered or whatever somebody jumps around okay but if you're consistently one of the quicker quarterbacks now if you uh Jared golfing it you know what I'm saying where it's like yo this ball is getting out we're getting it regardless I'm not touching me
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so no matter if Trey Hadnickson and Max Crosby are both on the Ravens, your plan, if they're both coming, if you're getting out the ball and getting the ball out of your hands in two seconds, it doesn't matter.
27:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter as much.
27:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they will get your ass, but it significantly negates them being able to really get you all the time.
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: If one two is out and if the if you're doing that, then some of the things I'm saying won't be as important, but they'll still definitely.
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: and Max Crosby and Dre Henderson will not be on the same team.
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of a move point where they ever going to be.
27:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Dre Henderson said he thought so what he said he said he thought so.
27:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they was going to have a listen.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It was going to be good for this season with this, but we went out.
27:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So real quick, yeah, Eric DeCostas, the general manager of the Baltimore Ravens, I'm always going to have Ozzy Newsom as my Ravens general manager, but I know the bears wanted to cost at one point.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: DeCostas set as the assistant general manager for a long period of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ozzy Newsom was still general manager and other teams wanted him, but he wanted that job because he had
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[SPEAKER_01]: loyalty within the organization.
28:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know he said that he was gutted.
28:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, he was gutted because everybody, I think we all know now.
28:25
[SPEAKER_01]: The train was rescinded by the Ravens because they said that Max Crosby failed to physical.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Max Crosby has a meniscus issue.
28:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone kind of knew that.
28:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the Ravens said he wasn't as far as long as they expected.
28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: His doctor said that he is as far along as expected.
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: think there's some bires or more is one because a lot of people kind of set the ravens did not win that trade and also the ravens did something they haven't done in the past with trading away a first round pick to get it to bring in a veteran player trade two one two ones so again to thought that you was you was really going to have boat with no center
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't care because if Erica Costa woke up in the owner and they were kind of like, I hope I'll see new some columns up to him if they were like, you know what, let's get out of this because it's not Wednesday.
29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Good, because in people like this people's not going to trade you is not people will always someone else did this I can't remember who did this and then the last thing Ravens have done it.
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I was about that.
29:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I was about that.
29:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry.
29:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Did it stop them for getting this train because everybody's like don't want to go to no it didn't because it's who's going to give up the most to do it now say this to now if this was let me sign Max Crosby
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: and take him off the market at the beginning of this.
29:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And then let me see now, oh wait, try to understand nobody's not in it.
30:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Now let's see what we can get for a tray and drinks in.
30:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that it's like Max, what is this?
30:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, we're because we have a tray and this is sitting there wanting a certain amount of money and then sat on the first day.
30:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting the day three and it's like, Yo bro, you know you're not going to get that, right?
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, oh no, we can get him and keep our words.
30:20
[SPEAKER_01]: We can get him at this price to keep our words.
30:23
[SPEAKER_01]: get that listed.
30:24
[SPEAKER_01]: If they did that, more power to them because these are independent teams, all this other mess.
30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we come together to split this dough.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But if that's what they want to do and it's allowed and under the collective bargaining agreement, I don't give to you know what to be honest with it's legal tampering.
30:42
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing is kind of an oxymoron, it's an oxymoron, like what's that even legal tampering is an oxymoron, you're fat, you're fat, you're fat, you're lazy, you're all of this is weird, it makes you wonder if they're going to tweak legal tampering and how this
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: stuff works because now the raiders also have the issue of like uh we spent all this money because we thought this money was coming off the books and now what the hell do we do?
31:07
[SPEAKER_01]: What could they do because you still have to pass the physical?
31:11
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's tell me.
31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a cynical.
31:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a cynical about it to be quite honest.
31:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that there is truth to it that they wanted to trade for him.
31:21
[SPEAKER_00]: They brought him in the building.
31:22
[SPEAKER_00]: and he did fail the physical now what the team puts him through is up to the team, right?
31:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Team A could have a very rigorous physical team B might have a less rigorous physical that they're doing.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Ravens, as you mentioned, like this is a huge investment trading to ones.
31:44
[SPEAKER_00]: If I was Eric to Costa, I'd be putting them through the ringer.
31:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be making sure if I'm
31:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also believe the doctors, so some doctors made a statement and said, lesson like do just got off crutches like yeah, he's on schedule, but this surgery just had a while ago, if this physical was done two weeks from now, a month from now, he would have passed and he,
32:10
[SPEAKER_00]: No matter what if he took the physical now or if he took the physical then he's probably still going to be ready week one So is there a timing issue in all of this?
32:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you knew that but you know that so if like everything you just said if we know this right now is too early to really great on where he's at That sounds like
32:32
[SPEAKER_00]: The legal tampering happens when legal tampering happens.
32:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, the people got to make their moves now.
32:37
[SPEAKER_00]: People got to make their moves now.
32:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, if they feel that the Raiders misrepresented, you know, if the Raiders say, oh, he repaired his meniscus, but it was more of a retool versus a rebuild, you know, like the semantics.
32:53
[SPEAKER_00]: If they were saying, hey, we think you misrepresented the extent of his surgery, the extent of his injury.
33:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, again, as a buyer who's a top paying top dollar.
33:07
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm paying top dollar, who'd you say did this before?
33:10
[SPEAKER_00]: The rate the rate is did it before.
33:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
33:13
[SPEAKER_00]: What's did this?
33:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Did this?
33:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you call it a bear?
33:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And Ryan polls, Ryan polls first big, big free agent.
33:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't that big, though.
33:23
[SPEAKER_00]: He was, he was Max Croft.
33:25
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't Max Crofts.
33:26
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, obviously, this was at the beat.
33:28
[SPEAKER_00]: The very beginning of the rebuild.
33:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He was not going to, he was not going to make a huge, huge splash.
33:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But this was his one.
33:34
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the three tech he was going to get from Eddie Burflus.
33:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was a big, marquee signing for that offseason.
33:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And what happened?
33:40
[SPEAKER_00]: failed the physical and I don't think the bears had buyers remorse because they're like always spent too much money on Larry good job.
33:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they didn't give up two ones.
33:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet you if the bears are giving up two ones, they would they would have failed it get off the plane.
33:58
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's worth for tip top price for top show price.
34:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to top shelf, but you're right, we don't know, all right.
34:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just the truth.
34:09
[SPEAKER_00]: We now now Kenneth now this bag is a question.
34:13
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to totally off the rails.
34:14
[SPEAKER_00]: The rundown is being crumpled up at this point.
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: If you could get Max Crow to be for one first round pick and one feature third round pick, are you making that deal with the Las Vegas Raiders?
34:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably.
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the bears are all of a sudden bears are all of a sudden back on the phone with the Las Vegas Raiders I'm sure.
34:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Now listen honestly.
34:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the bears were going to get one significant.
34:44
[SPEAKER_01]: The Kobe Bryant is up there, but I mean in the trenches, I thought there was going to make a significant trench move on either side, either a DT, which there really, there were just some old cats out there, really, but like left tackle and even if it was a stop gap, but center.
35:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I, even if there was going to go, even if it was going to be, and I didn't say, I thought they were going to get trained, but even if they were like, okay, we're going to do this.
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought clearing that money that they clear wasn't to go to Filing's basement, you know what I'm saying?
35:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, we go, I didn't know we was going to, to, to, to, to, to, to Norton's rack.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I know, teach a max or I didn't know we was going to Burlington's with the with when we got these millions back.
35:34
[SPEAKER_01]: He like, no, do you know what I can do with Burlington's with all of this bread?
35:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm buying the building, but forget the stuff inside.
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of cuts on a lot of scarves.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like that was kind of the feeling I guess the desire that I, and it wasn't that I needed you to do a lot.
35:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought one side of the ball was going to be significantly.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: upgraded, you know what I'm saying?
36:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And the old line, the only reason the old line needed is because just center retired.
36:04
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
36:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, that that caused it, but the defensive line, and you know, I'm DT, DT, DT, DT, but it was a least like, well, maybe if they go out and get another edge, then they can really just say, all we're doing in this draft is going in Syria because we still think, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
36:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you got me back.
36:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to earn it, you got to earn it, bro.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He got to earn it.
36:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And Austin Booker, and then I won't slander Austin Booker's name, but I'm still in also with Turner.
36:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know he can play inside and out.
36:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm thinking like, yo, these guys, OK, an act in that rotation, but like you've done nothing at this point.
36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm late because like what are the moves that's going to really take it over?
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Now again, your quarterback should get better next year.
36:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's added to it, but your defense, what significant upgrades have you done to fix your rush is a big issue, right?
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know who the other said, dawg, they need three other safety's.
37:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we talk about, we don't cover on the back of us, but the back of us play in what special teamers.
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Elijah Hex and Jonathan Owens played for both.
37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: This year.
37:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, so like gone and Cameron Lewis is in so it's it's one of those things where it's like yo look I like the fact if you're like yo we feel you.
37:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin buyer, but we're going to go younger and do it as now.
37:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm not saying if they bring Kevin buyer back and it's him, Kobe Bryant being more of the brisk or having a flexibility to use them in a mirror of ways, I'm happy with that too.
37:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not knocking it, but if you don't bring Kevin buyer back, I'm good with you saying I think this younger guy,
37:59
[SPEAKER_01]: will be help us in the long run because he's younger and can grow with this defeat.
38:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And I told you, even with the success last year that Kevin Bire had, there was sometimes due to age, guys was getting out of this area, clearing the area, and it was like, yo, we saw a CJ guard at Johnson, and you saw with him too, his, again, this is the problem with TJ Edwards.
38:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he can see it, and he knows, and he has a high IQ.
38:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's sometimes I'm just fast and through that zone, what you're going to do, right?
38:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yo, dumb, dumb 80-year-old ankles ain't gonna be able to keep up with me.
38:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fresh out of college right now.
38:35
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
38:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just, it's a classic thing.
38:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So if they're like, yo, even though he had this Renaissance season for a guy that was a takeaway expert, really, particularly during his reign in Tennessee, and a little bit here, but definitely in his reign in Tennessee, he's been one of the best turnover and I'm talking about Kevin Barrett,
38:54
[SPEAKER_01]: We got, he had one of his best years here as an older vet, long in the tooth.
38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe we shouldn't bank on him doing that again.
39:01
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're doing that, I'm good with them doing that.
39:03
[SPEAKER_01]: If they bring him back, I'm good with them doing that.
39:06
[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact is still, the sense of backfield, even with all the injuries, the bare sustain last year, was not the biggest issue.
39:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And even going, this is another thing.
39:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know how we always give Matt E. Perflus props for the
39:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Drifting Calagor and the drafting jacquan brisker right right but Historically over the last five to eight years what seems been really good with draft and defense of back so good that they basically lost almost all of them particularly to the ramps This year and I'm talking about the Kansas City Chiefs where Ryan polls comes from
39:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the chiefs have been an extraordinary team in draft and defensive backs and Ryan polls comes from there.
39:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So that actually, hey, the sea walks too.
39:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right.
39:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
39:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So that actually could be a lot of decent part of Ryan polls.
39:56
[SPEAKER_01]: What they he can do is particularly not offensive linemen is former position.
40:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But he may be able to spot the
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: really good defensive back.
40:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not even as worried.
40:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not to say the defensive back field may not take a dip.
40:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's something they can't correct if it is this year.
40:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But we got to see how the linebackers play.
40:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not mad at what they did with the linebackers.
40:15
[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
40:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though you're bleeding on T.J. Edward's been healthy, plenty of time to have a season.
40:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested in what how that's supposed to be.
40:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But the defensive line.
40:25
[SPEAKER_01]: have you seen something that makes you think the defense of line is going to be really upgraded or let me say this.
40:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you under the assumption that if the defense of line is healthy, it's going to be markedably better next year.
40:38
[SPEAKER_00]: No way, they got to make mega additions, which is why I'm like, I'm like kind of an unmatched cross me again.
40:44
[SPEAKER_00]: If the price is right,
40:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's down considerably like at the end of the, yeah, exactly at the end of the one on the second.
40:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm with you like they have work to do on that defensive line, which is why again.
41:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's so interesting that they spent in the backfield.
41:12
[SPEAKER_00]: They spent on safety and and again, like you said, they had to bring somebody in.
41:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean,
41:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's also interesting that, you know, few years, two years ago, we were talking about how are the bears?
41:28
[SPEAKER_00]: going to upgrade for Medi Jackson if they move on from Medi Jackson.
41:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they did with Kevin Byrd.
41:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything might have done it again.
41:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we go into Kobe Bryant a little bit, just for fans who aren't as familiar?
41:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kobe Bryant, right?
41:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Three years, 40 million bucks.
41:42
[SPEAKER_00]: This is this is the signing right now.
41:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the safety on the Super Bowl winning C hops alongside other great defensive backs.
41:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Like down with a spoon, requel and so that's another team.
41:54
[SPEAKER_00]: They had their DBs.
41:57
[SPEAKER_00]: on lock.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Super versatile guy.
42:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, he allowed a 59% completion percentage when targeted and a 54 pass rating when targeted and only allowed one touchdown.
42:13
[SPEAKER_00]: way better than either jacquan brisker or Kevin buyer just buy the numbers.
42:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Brisker allowed five touchdowns when targeted, buyer allowed seven touchdowns when targeted.
42:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So those guys did create takeaways and they were, you know, brisker was attacking the machine at times, uh, kind of the word, right on when you mentioned the word sounds run Kevin buyer had guys run and buy him.
42:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys gave up 12 touchdowns between the two of them.
42:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, Kobe Bryant only gave up one and was pretty, pretty locked down as a safety.
42:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Over his rookie contract, so his rookie contract just came up.
42:52
[SPEAKER_00]: This is his fifth year.
42:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Seven interceptions, seven forced fumbles in one return touchdown.
42:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So take away guy.
43:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And the takeaways came on late, which is of note.
43:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is where the versatility comes in.
43:06
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about him on the under center podcast, coming out of school because Kobe Bryant
43:15
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's Cincinnati playing alongside sauce garden.
43:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody else.
43:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Alec Pierce, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That team was so loaded at the Cincinnati team.
43:25
[SPEAKER_01]: They had like two other guys that made the lead to.
43:27
[SPEAKER_01]: The quarterback was the one that really didn't pan out as much, but they were loaded on that route.
43:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So please continue.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we're loaded.
43:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So sauce gardener.
43:34
[SPEAKER_00]: is sauce gardener and he was sauce gardener in Cincinnati.
43:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So nobody's throwing his way.
43:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That means that means Kobe Bryant is getting all the action.
43:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He was playing outside corner at this point.
43:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He was playing outside corner.
43:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So he is getting targeted all the damn time because they're like, yeah, we're not throwing it sauce gardener and he was so good like he stepped up.
43:54
[SPEAKER_00]: First team all American his senior year won the Jim Thorpe Award his senior year, which is the best DB in college football.
44:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Now is that mean Kobe Bryant's better in the sauce gardener?
44:04
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but he got all the action, right?
44:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So he had all the targets.
44:09
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the one.
44:11
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tested all the time.
44:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he makes it to the NFL.
44:18
[SPEAKER_00]: not plan.
44:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of competing it outside corner back.
44:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Pete Carroll says, guess what, you are now our starting nickel.
44:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He moves to starting nickel and that kind of becomes his job.
44:30
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets hurt.
44:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Mrs. a little time.
44:33
[SPEAKER_00]: New defensive coordinator comes in for Kobe Bryce third season and says, yeah, guess what, Kobe, we don't need to at Nickel anymore.
44:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You are now a
44:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He came in, he came in, and then again, was that just that starting safety and was the starting safety for the Super Bowl winning team.
44:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And interestingly, when he made that move to safety his last two years, all seven of his intersections came when he was moved to safety.
45:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So is he gonna play safety for the bears?
45:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Almost certainly, right?
45:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyla Gordon is gonna be your nickel, and that's fine.
45:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But,
45:12
[SPEAKER_00]: If Cali Gordon gets hurt, you need a guy to play nickel.
45:18
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're playing your best defense, whatever you're moving guys around, if you feel better about Elijah Hicks, at safety, and you feel about the backup nickel coming from Cali Gordon, he has the ability to play nickel.
45:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He's done it in the NFL.
45:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, he's played outside the corner in college as well.
45:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So the versatility piece is huge.
45:37
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's a ding,
45:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually not a very good takler.
45:40
[SPEAKER_00]: He has a pretty high missed tackle rate.
45:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking at Seahawks contemporary reporting about him as a takler.
45:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Not great crashing down on screens, not great crashing down at the line of scrimmage.
45:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's his one ding.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not as sure of a tackler as a jacquan brisker.
46:01
[SPEAKER_00]: But dude takes the ball away.
46:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude is real good in coverage.
46:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, could be an upgrade, especially in the past coverage thing, if that's what they're asking him to do, right?
46:14
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're bringing in Devon Bush to be your tackling machine, and we know Kyla Gordon is a tackling machine, you're the line of scrimmage, and hopefully he's healthy this year, and you're like, yo, just go in the back and intercept foop balls and don't give up any deep balls.
46:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Could be a huge upgrade.
46:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'll say this with when it comes to Kobe Bryant and Devin Bush and I hear what you're saying about him breaking down on screens, both of them are violent tacklers and I think that's one thing that Dennis Allen really wants on his team speed and violent tackling and I think both of them can do that like watching a lot of the plays with Kobe Bryant and the angles that he took
46:54
[SPEAKER_01]: and how he hit the offensive players, but in Devon Bush, you know, that Bush last year, particularly with the Browns, how will he play and how fast he is?
47:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I like that.
47:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
47:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it, but again, that wasn't, I mean, Lionback was an issue.
47:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Bears have done good enough and on and on, if you're asking me, moving on from,
47:24
[SPEAKER_01]: terrain that was a bragging of Devon Bush.
47:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that better?
47:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for Dennis Allen system, yes, it is better.
47:30
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
47:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I've already said how I felt about Kobe Bryant.
47:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I like them going ahead and bringing in Kobe Bryant.
47:40
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to talk about Devon Bush anymore.
47:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Can we move on to some of these other players and get up out of here?
47:44
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think we're good.
47:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So all of this is a say.
47:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of down with the TJ Max situation.
47:53
[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at it when you look at all these players, I'm like, I don't consider when I'm, I don't really consider those two TJ Maxx because, yeah, because I clearly don't think Kobe Brian is TJ Maxx and
48:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You had to do something in linebacker.
48:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It was right opportunity, right time, player more fit cheaper than a player that you had, may fit the anger that your defense coordinator desires.
48:24
[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of them is where the basement
48:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Finally, his basement has been opened.
48:29
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, like that's where it's kind of the grant, Brad Berry, that's like we, we, we, I'm flipping through the bottom of the barrel looking for good deals.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I find one, maybe I know.
48:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the stuff I'm really not gonna wear, I'm gonna put it in my closet and I'm gonna be amazed one day that I have it when I'm looking like, man, I gotta go someplace.
48:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even wanna know what I'm gonna wear.
48:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh snap, I've got to go someplace.
48:49
[SPEAKER_01]: But God I had this, like, but then those are things that I don't use regularly, so that's really where I'm going.
48:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about the Grant Bradbury and really everybody else after that.
49:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And we go, well, I'll take, I'll check Neville, Gallamore.
49:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take him off of that to a degree, because of Andrews Novelori and the nose tackle.
49:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but, but looking at what he did last year and looking at the fact that bring it back Andrew Billings would have been bad for you as far as where he has at his career.
49:22
[SPEAKER_01]: If you know Alex in myself, we are team Andrew Billings.
49:26
[SPEAKER_01]: This is our past podcast that have been pro Andrew Billings, all right?
49:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But at this point in his career, just because we have an affinity for him,
49:35
[SPEAKER_01]: at what he did in the past, we also have to sit there and know the limitations that he has moving forward.
49:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It is age and now with his injury issue.
49:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So, bringing him in, if that's gonna be your true replacement for villains, I'm not mad at that.
49:48
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the decent.
49:49
[SPEAKER_01]: See, that's like the level where it ends, where it's like, okay, cool, right?
49:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, right there, it's like, yeah, that's shopping, that, yeah.
50:00
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50:21
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50:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I said yours was better.
50:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I love to pick up a cleave Raymond.
50:26
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes so much sense.
50:28
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about probably you need to move on from Devon Dubernay.
50:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the one that's yeah, you need someone a younger, both of them.
50:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He can go back to Atlanta.
50:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you.
50:41
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I didn't.
50:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, he was times he was a good player, but that's kind of where it ends for me.
50:46
[SPEAKER_01]: The Marco Jackson, I didn't think they were going to let out of the building.
50:49
[SPEAKER_01]: No, um, I just didn't see the him being let out of the building.
50:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So, for instance, the Marco Jackson and the Neil Hardy coming back, that doesn't, um, those are, that's their bears players.
50:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I expect good bears players that are going to be playing on deals that are easily to retain should be brought back.
51:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's not what I'm talking about with the
51:11
[SPEAKER_01]: that weren't here and that you brought in and a little bit of a fraction of Jones even though I'm not mad at them retaining Braxton Jones.
51:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have just want that to be competent competition.
51:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've been through there's going to be some competition with Braxton and before when there was no damn competition with Braxton before.
51:28
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51:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm never going to rule for the Obendate as hard as I am to sub come and see this upcoming opportunity.
51:36
[SPEAKER_00]: just because at least look even with Pan and not your guy, jetrick wills, not your roll-type guy, jetrick wills.
51:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because I wish, but how often is okay for the bears going for the first round bus.
51:52
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, the place to chase clay pool of it all right.
51:56
[SPEAKER_01]: How often have they swung that that stick and knock that ball out of the park when they've done that because this has been a lot of strike fours and I know there's only three, but that's how many strikes is basically.
52:20
[SPEAKER_01]: if that the Alex leatherwood 3.0 will look I hope I'm wrong but do you know how many players I've had people tell me about on the practice squad that we're going to see here defensive line of man we're so good out there roll for my top level when he get out there
52:39
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's nothing, it's the same old, same old, so again, I don't know, but let's go around the horn real quick with some of it.
52:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Jerrick, well, Judrick Willis, uh, Contabius Street, your thoughts on Contabius Street, former saint was down there with uh, Dennis Allen, I believe in 2022.
52:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Atlanta Falcon, he'll he'll be the guy.
53:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even have information.
53:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I've spot rack doesn't even have the money for him.
53:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I do not have many thoughts on contiguous street to be quite honest with you.
53:16
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to save your street thoughts.
53:19
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no.
53:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
53:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we talk about it.
53:22
[SPEAKER_01]: The barber shop is can save your street.
53:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
53:27
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you looking for the bears to do, Alex, with the rest of free agency?
53:32
[SPEAKER_01]: What's signings, which you want them to go after right now?
53:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still DTE and like, okay, Contabius Street, he's a guy who can play DTE and D.E.
53:43
[SPEAKER_00]: How much is he going to figure into this?
53:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Cameron Lewis, these types of signings,
53:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, we're, we're filling out our special teams here, right?
53:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Cameron Lewis, maybe he'll play special teams.
53:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he won't make the team.
53:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Can Tavius Street, this guy's played a long time.
54:01
[SPEAKER_00]: He is hardly ever started.
54:03
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets a couple of sacks a year.
54:07
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the signings that happen every year, right?
54:10
[SPEAKER_00]: All of these depth players that don't move the needle for us, posting a podcast very much.
54:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But that are,
54:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Important players filling out a roster right you need nine to guys if you have an international player you need ninety one guys not all of these guys are going to be big signings not all these guys are going to move the needle not all these guys are going to even make this football team.
54:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, I don't know that they're going to sign a big player Kobe Bryant might be their big signing Kevin Bush might be their big signing.
54:50
[SPEAKER_00]: But it would be nice.
54:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be nice if they added more DTs and more DEs that we're not I'm not trying to slight Neville Gallamore the guys that guy I think is going to make this football team and he is going to be a part of that Noes tackle rotation.
55:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if can TV street is going to be a part of this rotation is guy again like I said doesn't really start a lot of football games It has a couple sacks here or there
55:19
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, I think the bears need to add more competition and add more guys that are moving that needle guys that we are getting excited about because they do have a good offense, they do have a good coach.
55:34
[SPEAKER_00]: they need help in those trenches.
55:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So work remains to be done.
55:38
[SPEAKER_00]: The Javan Hargrave cut and immediate re-signing within the division.
55:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that Javan Hargrave is the guy specifically that the bears needed to be in on, but guys of that caliber.
55:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are still plenty of players out there who would fit that bill where you're like, OK, now we're adding half a wave here.
56:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you try to use my half a wave on me with this?
56:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I am not, I love that, I love your half a wave.
56:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but it's, they don't have, no, you got to get a wave to get half a wave because the half a wave is the second.
56:20
[SPEAKER_01]: You came half a wave out the door.
56:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you know what I'm saying to me?
56:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm missing, I'm not like they need a guy who will be half of a wave.
56:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, got you, so finish the wave.
56:31
[SPEAKER_01]: To finish the wave.
56:33
[SPEAKER_01]: they need to move away.
56:34
[SPEAKER_01]: First wave has to be finished.
56:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So then we can get to the second wave.
56:38
[SPEAKER_01]: See, the waves are about really this defensive linemen and sending waves of fresh bodies that are efficient and talented, right?
56:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is not enough wet and whoever is next to him are one way.
56:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And when they need to breathe in, Iowa, Dango and Austin Booker can then do their thing or Austin Booker and somebody else and by the way, it's now that I have not heard it over and over
57:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what do we think, do we, do we, do we, do we, what do we think is Dio Dengbo?
57:07
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we think?
57:09
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I just, what do we think about his prospects this season?
57:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Dio Dengbo is going to be a part of this team, unless he somehow gets traded.
57:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is a super sub.
57:20
[SPEAKER_01]: to be honest with you.
57:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a player that's good on your defensive line if someone gets hurt because of the versatility of him being the play outside and playing in.
57:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like him.
57:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I would like him as a starter if he was my third guy.
57:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was the other three guys and more talented to him.
57:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
57:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he can be closer to the second.
57:38
[SPEAKER_01]: This second, no, he could be closer to the foref guy.
57:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But I need him, I need him to be that far where it's basically you to foref talented guy on the off.
57:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You want him or next to Awesome Booker on Wave 2.
57:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, would be great to be honest with you.
57:55
[SPEAKER_01]: If he was playing, but see, I wouldn't, I don't know if I really want to play it.
57:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, of course, he's going to play edge.
58:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy to me that if you're going NASCAR package wouldn't be back kicking inside, I don't go clear passing down.
58:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Third and nine.
58:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
58:11
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to stay safe, I'd say what and are other D.E.
58:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And stroke put in him in it.
58:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:16
[SPEAKER_00]: If never, never, never tell our, yeah, take it out.
58:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Get out here.
58:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, a dango, a dang up in there right if you want to do that.
58:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm like then that's where that's what you get value out of players like that.
58:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're like, no, he's robbing to my Swiss, my test what's Batman.
58:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we that's,
58:38
[SPEAKER_01]: This with the coats, they did it with Mohammed dog, the coats and not laden, how many players have walked out of that building for the coats in the last five years and the coats was really like damn, we let them go.
58:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
58:52
[SPEAKER_01]: How many?
58:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
58:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying about Kevin Ballard, how many times does he let Rook die?
59:00
[SPEAKER_01]: They said Alec Pierce to all the money in the world, like he's a number one receiver, and let Pitch them go, right, and all he could do is stretch the field.
59:09
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't do nothing besides stretch the field, right?
59:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, again, they really hold on to their guys that are giving them traction that they believe in, or they can see, okay, we look to the surface of the future, the value that they have.
59:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, I don't see the coach letting good players that they have.
59:29
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a bunch of guys that leave them and you, like, damn, they shouldn't let that guy go.
59:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be wrong because maybe we need to call JJ Stankovich.
59:36
[SPEAKER_01]: He's our coach's plug, right?
59:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But anything else you want to have before you get about it?
59:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, let me look at the list of guys.
59:49
[SPEAKER_00]: You got your veteran back.
59:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Case key to your veteran quarterback.
59:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You're asking for the veteran quarterback.
59:56
[SPEAKER_00]: You got one.
59:57
[SPEAKER_01]: He's done something.
59:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I said I wanted someone who's done something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vikings where was it?
1:00:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Was that the one where digs caught that pass or the Saints messed up and the digs caught the pass or was it reverse where the Saints caught the pass?
1:00:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it was the one where digs caught that pass in school or on a broken plate that was suited like it went off someone's back or something and digs grabbed a ball and then made the next year the stupid Vikings got rid of case kingdom and it was never really right the same way again.
1:00:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like.
1:00:35
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1:01:05
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1:01:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I rather have him and I don't, I'm not even the person.
1:01:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even the person.
1:01:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I rather have, I know Joe Flackle wants to play because he's father and primers, but I want to God is shot, shot, sit.
1:01:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to God has been in gun fights, right?
1:01:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of Flackle.
1:01:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not like I've been in one gun fight because I meant it was kind of scary.
1:01:29
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I want a guy where it'd be like a gun fight, that's just a Tuesday.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the type of guy that I want, right?
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think I think Caleb needs Caleb needs and I know Caleb may be too young and in a head cocky, but he needs a bet that's been through the wars in that room with him.
1:01:49
[SPEAKER_01]: somebody that can talk to them and get it through to them, but this is the same way I feel about the why I receive a cool.
1:01:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the why I receive a cool, they need a dog in that room with them.
1:01:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
1:02:00
[SPEAKER_01]: They can still kind of play, but can be like, yo, young kids, this is what y'all need to do.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go, right?
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And they'd be like, okay, but that's it.
1:02:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I prefer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think it speaks a lot about that quarterback room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how it's related to that quarterback room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it would have to be a good deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bears love Tyson pageant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they love Tyson pageant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, but I think it speaks volumes that they're like, hey, we had success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's run back this room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's not mess with the chemistry in this room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a vote of confidence also for what case kingdom was bringing to that room as that veteran presence as that coach who's a player in there who's going to be an active every week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think it is a kind of, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember the chase Daniel's messing is like, Oh, here we go again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't, you, you, you don't, you, me, I'm, this is me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think there's something to have in, and again, he is a veteran, I'm a, I apologize for busy and disrespectful to case kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there's something to have veterans who have been through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: real battles to age you, particularly when you're talking about just an Uber talent that the bears have in the wide receiver rooms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have two really young guys that need a veteran to raise them up some, to teach them these are the ways you go about doing things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not to say that they're not trying to do them right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, just think about this and just look about it like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that can be some of the same things that you can apply to what I why I wanted them to have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone who's run playoff games, I don't know, maybe a play it in a Super Bowl, not one one, to be in that room with Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, they know about Ben Johnson knows better than me when it comes to what to do with this quarterback and his why receivers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope to bear's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want the best to do something to dramatically improve the defensive line and let along.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do you let me ask you, do you think the bears have done it left tackle as far as any stop gap guy that's been a heralded veteran and or using a day first the first a pick in the first three rounds to go after a left tackle?
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[SPEAKER_00]: talking about a lot of dudes at left tackle, but you know what, Judgerc wheels doesn't, you know, he's not a give me to make this football team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't discount.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't that discount.
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[SPEAKER_00]: adding another article, but I would imagine it's probably going to be in the draft if they do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to imagine they continue to add other than defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is where I think that the the official come and and they
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[SPEAKER_00]: have to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They literally like have to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to get, they have to get, they have to get a DT.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that they may not have one, so they may have to go with the defensive in at 25.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they have to get a DT, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to get a young offensive line and somewhere in the first four rounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could be a show because I don't think Garrett is a guy that you want to have long term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you're saying right now, where Caleb doesn't necessarily know how to set up everything and how drew dominated easier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to vet, but the vet your job is to want to train up this young kid and also Caleb, you need to get ready to where you need to know what's going on out here, moving forward regardless because your center could get hurt and you may have to beat that guy out here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they have to get a safety and that think they have to get another linebacker, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these are, and also we're saying it's because these are positions that you don't, you can get decent players in the fourth fifth round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get a good linebacker that you can raise up in the fourth or fifth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get a good safety and this is a good safety draft, I believe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the fourth or fifth round, like that's so this isn't, when I'm saying this is not, I'm not saying using premium assets to get safety with your one first round picking or two second round picks or the same necessarily with the lineback unless you just see one that you have to have, particularly you've kind of made sure hey when it comes to linebacker, but you need to feel those out with young guys that seemingly would have a traumatic upside that you hope that
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we've got over an hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a short eulogy for Dom Rob?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Projects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're done with the quarterback turned whiter silver turned defensive end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: every position, every skill position played in college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is again, while sometimes, besides the fence of backfield, I'm worried sometimes when my pose gets to Ryan Pollard because this is the dog, the caron, the dime ropes,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, he's been straight, but he practicing Jones never was the guy, never finished what you thought he was going to end up growing into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times, and not to say this is just the right and polls thing, any GM is going to give his guys more opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One, to prove himself right, but also because he thinks he found something in those guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the lack of competition, the thing is, with Ryan polls with his, but it's hurt him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is get your projects in there, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Give them bikes at the Apple, but they got a big guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they did when they big guys, one, they earned it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two, they learned from those guys, even if those guys aren't willing to help them, you're still watching what those guys are doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am sharpens iron, steel, steel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you have to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that he never gave Braxton Jones a real competitor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that would have helped Braxton Jones, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of just here, run with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that no, Dom Robinson I wish him good luck, but I was happy they finally let that dream go Like I told you last year when there's like Dom Robes like what's dude?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I tell you this if he goes on something to have success I will not say they should have held on to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, if the same thing that we said about Mark Colombo
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, Mark Columbo last episode, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where it was like, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you got to let a guy get out of the building, Leonard Floyd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Leonard Floyd was for half a season unstoppable, right?
1:09:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, yeah, maybe I got him something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he plateaued, then he went to go play with the greatest defensive tackle ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're gonna get out some shots, all right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you, I mean, dude, I'm gonna get some sacks playing alongside Aaron Dyer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm gonna run it to at least two of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, he likes for real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They got the quarterback's coming back my way Alex if I just if they say hike and I just wait The quarterback sooner or later with that we was just grab them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll go through It's just crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll actually just lay on the ground and just grab his way for his feet to run passes Just grab like with Aaron Donald he's coming back, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's coming out of that back here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean he's coming out of that back All right for Alex Shapiro I'm Kenneth Davis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one you city podcast off fan side it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time