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The Gay Hero Who Helped Stop 9/11 — And the Partner Benefits Fight That Came After · The Karel Show

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  Speaker 5: It's this gay week, so let's start with a show tune.
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  Speaker 5: I am Carell and Scott Jacobson. We'll be joining us
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  Speaker 1: Now it's true.
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  Speaker 4: I am Carell. It is Thursday, the September 10th.
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  Speaker 5: Tomorrow, by the way, I just want to, before we
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  Speaker 5: jump to Scott, and in fact, we can talk to
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  Speaker 5: Scott about this. I will not be doing a show tomorrow, Friday.
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  Speaker 4: I never do.
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  Speaker 5: But it's September 11th. And I feel that I should
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  Speaker 5: be doing a show tomorrow because it's September 11th. However,
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  Speaker 5: there's an interesting documentary, by the way, called the 9-11
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  Speaker 5: Generation about those people who were born on or after
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  Speaker 5: September 11th, and they grew up in this world. But
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  Speaker 5: I did just want to start by saying this. First
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  Speaker 5: of all, horrible event, all of that. But second of all,
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  Speaker 5: we now know that Giuliani and the people at Ground
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  Speaker 5: Zero lied. They knew that the air was bad.
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  Speaker 4: They knew that.
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  Speaker 5: And they lied and said the air was fine. And
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  Speaker 5: we now know Mondami has released the documents, God bless him, 17,000 pages.
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  Speaker 5: We now know that up to a half a mile
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  Speaker 5: to almost a mile away, the air was basically toxic
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  Speaker 5: and was toxic for some time. Now, what they do
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  Speaker 5: with that information is going to speak volumes about whether
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  Speaker 5: or not they really care about 9-11 and the people
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  Speaker 5: who were there. Every person that was told that air
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  Speaker 5: is good, that breathed it, that got cancer of any kind,
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  Speaker 5: should be compensated.
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  Speaker 4: Period. End of the story. That's just all that should
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  Speaker 4: happen to it.
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  Speaker 5: But more importantly, you see that even around September 11th,
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  Speaker 5: the government chose to parse information. And, you know, they said, oh, no,
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  Speaker 5: the air is fine. I knew it wasn't when I
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  Speaker 5: was watching. I knew when those buildings fell that there
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  Speaker 5: was asbestos and all kinds of horrible chemicals in the air.
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  Speaker 5: Them saying it was okay did not make it okay.
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  Speaker 5: And the other thing is, Hasan Piker and others have
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  Speaker 5: gotten into trouble for saying, you know, now.
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  Speaker 4: These years later, that we deserved 9-11.
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  Speaker 5: We did not deserve 9-11. No one deserves to be
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  Speaker 5: attacked in that fashion. However, Our foreign policy certainly let
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  Speaker 5: us open for a terrorist attack, particularly from someone that
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  Speaker 5: we trained, and that was Osama bin Laden.
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  Speaker 4: We trained him.
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  Speaker 5: His brother was in New York on 9-11 making arms
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  Speaker 5: deals with the Carlyle Group in the same room as
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  Speaker 5: George Bush Sr. So there is a complexity to 9-11
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  Speaker 5: that even all these years later, 25 years tomorrow is
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  Speaker 5: the anniversary, 25th anniversary, even all these years later, we
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  Speaker 5: have never dealt with the fact that our foreign policy
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  Speaker 5: let us open to that, that it angered part of
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  Speaker 5: the world, and that now our foreign policy in regard
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  Speaker 5: to blind support of Israel is still angering some of those.
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  Speaker 4: Very people in the world. And we are at war
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  Speaker 4: with Iran.
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  Speaker 5: A Middle Eastern nation some 25 years later. So how
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  Speaker 5: things never change. Scott, you're over 30, right? So you
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  Speaker 5: remember something about 9-11, right?
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  Speaker 6: Of course.
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  Speaker 4: Well, how old are you?
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  Speaker 6: I'm 37.
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  Speaker 4: So you were 12. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I can imagine. The most significant thing has been that
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  Speaker 6: Jon Stewart longstanding support for some of those first responders.
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  Speaker 6: That was positive.
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  Speaker 4: To this day.
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  Speaker 5: And now, Jon Stewart is very angry at the papers.
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  Speaker 5: And he helped Mondami to release those documents. Jon Stewart's
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  Speaker 5: been calling for the release of these documents. And he
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  Speaker 5: has been fighting for the first responders that got cancer
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  Speaker 5: from Ground Zero.
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  Speaker 4: And now we know that they got cancer because the
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  Speaker 4: air was crap. Because it was cancerous.
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  Speaker 5: And so 25 years later, we are still learning from
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  Speaker 5: that event. I was not 12 years old. I was actually,
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  Speaker 5: I just lost Andrew. I was on my way to
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  Speaker 5: be on KFI radio. They sent me downtown Los Angeles
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  Speaker 5: where they thought a plane was going to hit the
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  Speaker 5: library tower. And then on my way back in Long Beach,
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  Speaker 5: I stopped at the World Trade Center in Long Beach
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  Speaker 5: because there is one. And I watched the towers fall
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  Speaker 5: from the lobby of the World Trade Center in Long Beach.
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  Speaker 5: All right, we'll get back to This Gay Week and
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  Speaker 5: we'll address what's going on in Ukraine, because that's where
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  Speaker 5: he's at. And then we'll get to the gay stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So don't go anywhere. We'll be back right after this
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  Speaker 4: with This Gay Week with Scott Jacobson from The Good
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  Speaker 4: Man Project. And he's a good man.
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  Speaker 5: You have to be proud with hatred.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, everyone.
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  Speaker 6: It's Carell.
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  Speaker 5: Stream You Have to Be Proud wherever you get your
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  Speaker 5: music and let it fill you with the pride it
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  Speaker 5: filled me in doing it. You have to be strong.
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  Speaker 1: Showtime is here. No time to fear.
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  Speaker 2: Corral is so near because Showtime is here.
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  Speaker 1: So on with the show.
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  Speaker 8: Let's give it a go.
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  Speaker 3: Corral is the one that you need to know.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we are back. It is The Carell Show.
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  Speaker 5: It's time for This Gay Week. But before we go,
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  Speaker 5: I would ask you tomorrow on 9-11 to do two things.
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  Speaker 5: Listen to two songs, because you know how I love music.
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  Speaker 5: The first is by Linda Eder, E-D-E-R, and the song
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  Speaker 5: is called If I Had My Way. 9-11 really affected her.
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  Speaker 5: She's a Broadway star, lived in New York. Frank Wildhorn,
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  Speaker 5: her ex-husband, Broadway producer. Jekyll and Hyde, Dracula. And she
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  Speaker 5: knew so many people in the community that when it happened,
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  Speaker 5: they wrote a song for her and she co-wrote it
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  Speaker 5: called If I Had My Way. And just the opening
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  Speaker 5: line alone, long ago and far away, before the world
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  Speaker 5: had come to this, I took for granted how my
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  Speaker 5: life would be, determined that my freedom should be free.
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  Speaker 5: We learned a lot that day, particularly that freedom is
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  Speaker 5: not free. So If I Had My Way by Linda Etter,
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  Speaker 5: and then Tuesday Morning by Melissa Etheridge. And the reason
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  Speaker 5: I want you to listen to that is it tells
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  Speaker 5: the story of the gay man on the other plane
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  Speaker 5: and how he and others on the plane took that
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  Speaker 5: plane down before it could hit anything else. And when
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  Speaker 5: all was said and done, and they were compensating the
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  Speaker 5: families of the passengers who The airline did not want
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  Speaker 5: to compensate his same-sex partner because he was gay. One
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  Speaker 5: of the heroes of 9-11 was a homosexual. He helped
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  Speaker 5: take down the plane. He actually, some say, organized the
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  Speaker 5: rebellion on board to take down the plane, determined that
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  Speaker 5: if they were going to die, they were not going
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  Speaker 5: to die harming another United States target, that they would
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  Speaker 5: rather die by crashing into a field than by harming
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  Speaker 5: the Pentagon, I believe, which is where that plane was headed.
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  Speaker 5: And he was, in fact, a historic gay figure, and
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  Speaker 5: we should talk about him on this Gay Week. Let's see,
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  Speaker 5: gay 9-11 person who took down plane. I want to
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  Speaker 5: get his name right. Melissa Etheridge could not believe how
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  Speaker 5: they were treating him in the news. His name is
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  Speaker 5: Mark Bingham. He was an openly gay, very handsome public
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  Speaker 5: relations executive and rugby player who was one of the
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  Speaker 5: heroic passengers on the United Flight 93 during the 9-11 attack.
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  Speaker 5: Mark Bingham joined forces with fellow passengers Todd Beamer, Tom Burnett,
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  Speaker 5: and Jeremy Glick to form a plan to retake the
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  Speaker 5: cockpit from the hijackers. Their collective counterattack forced the aircraft
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  Speaker 5: to crash into a field in Stony Creek Township near Shanksville, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 5: preventing the hijackers from reaching their target in Washington, D.C.,
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  Speaker 5: believed to be either the Capitol or the White House.
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  Speaker 5: He was 6'4, he weighed 220 pounds. Bingham's physical stature
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  Speaker 5: and decisive actions helped shift cultural perceptions and challenges of
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  Speaker 5: restrictive gay stereotypes. So as we talk about this gay
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  Speaker 5: week on September 10th, let's remember that on September 11th,
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  Speaker 5: a gay man, Mark Bingham, helped take down United Flight
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  Speaker 5: 93 so it couldn't hit the White House.
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  Speaker 4: Or the Capitol. And then his.
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  Speaker 5: Husband or partner was treated like shit until the public
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  Speaker 5: outcry where he finally got the compensation that was due
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  Speaker 5: to him. And it took Melissa Etheridge writing a song
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  Speaker 5: about it to actually make that happen. The song is
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  Speaker 5: called Tuesday Morning because that was 9-11, was on a Tuesday.
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  Speaker 5: And it talks about how he made that decision, said
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  Speaker 5: goodbye to his loved one, and then stormed the cockpit.
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  Speaker 5: And it did help get rid of the stereotypes of
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  Speaker 5: gay people. He did not cower. He did not scream
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  Speaker 5: in the back.
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  Speaker 4: He was, oh, we're under attack. Nope.
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  Speaker 5: He mobilized, he activated, and he sacrificed his life to
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  Speaker 5: help bring down that plane. So that's a great thing
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  Speaker 5: to start our This Gay Week with, Scott. Here is Scott.
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  Speaker 4: Did you know the story of Mark Bingham?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you do now. He is a hero. He is
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  Speaker 4: a very big gay hero. Six foot four, a very
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  Speaker 4: big gay hero. But it was horrible.
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  Speaker 5: It was horrible what happened afterwards and how, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the United tried to say, oh, well, he couldn't legally
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  Speaker 5: marry his partner. So therefore, we don't owe his partner
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  Speaker 5: any money. Uh, and people were like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 5: just because they couldn't get married, uh, you know, doesn't
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  Speaker 5: mean that, you know, he, his partner should be, uh, excluded.
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  Speaker 4: Um, so, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, according to the 9-11 commission report, the cockpit voice report, uh,
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  Speaker 5: recorder revealed pounding and crashing against the cockpit door and
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  Speaker 5: shouts and screams in English. Let's get them a passenger cried. Um,
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  Speaker 5: If we don't do it, we'll all die. At 10.02,
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  Speaker 5: the hijacker ordered, pull it down, pull it down. The
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  Speaker 5: commission later reported that the plane's control wheel was turned
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  Speaker 5: hard to the right, causing it to roll onto its
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  Speaker 5: back and crash into an empty field at 600 miles
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  Speaker 5: an hour, killing everyone on board instantaneously. The plane was
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  Speaker 5: only 20 minutes away from the target of the White
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  Speaker 5: House or the U.S. Capitol building. His name is at
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  Speaker 5: the 9-11 memorial. They had to fight for that too.
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  Speaker 5: Barbara Boxer honored him in a San Francisco Bay area
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  Speaker 5: and for the victims as well and presented an American
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  Speaker 5: flag to his partner. John McCain as well greeted his partner.
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  Speaker 4: And there is a.
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  Speaker 5: Mark Kendall Bingham Memorial Tournament, which is a biennial international
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  Speaker 5: rugby union competition for gay and bisexual men that was
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  Speaker 5: started in 2002. And he was awarded the Arthur Ashe
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  Speaker 5: Courage Award in 2002. In 2004, Tuesday morning, the song
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  Speaker 5: was dedicated to him. And the National 9-11 Memorial, Bingham
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  Speaker 5: and other passengers from Flight 93 are memorialized at the
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  Speaker 5: South Pool on panel S67. In The Rugby Player, it's
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  Speaker 5: a documentary that came out in 2013. It's all about
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  Speaker 5: Bingham and what happened afterwards with his partner having to
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  Speaker 5: fight for the rights that he finally got. So it's
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  Speaker 5: appropriate on this Gay Week that we start by honoring
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  Speaker 5: Mark Bingham, his memory, and the fact that gay people
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  Speaker 5: throughout history, not just Mark Bingham, but gay people throughout
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  Speaker 5: history have actually had a great impact on many events
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  Speaker 5: And a lot of it you may not even know
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  Speaker 5: because they couldn't be recognized because of their sexuality. And
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  Speaker 5: so it's nice that Mark Bingham is remembered on this
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  Speaker 5: September 10th. And I hope tomorrow on September 11th, when
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  Speaker 5: you think of all the victims, you also think of
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  Speaker 5: Mark Bingham. All right, Scott, how are things in Ukraine?
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  Speaker 6: Very interesting. With a temporary pause, in bombing of Kiev
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  Speaker 6: with the Woodcuff-Kushner visit or envoy. That probably went not
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  Speaker 6: so great, we'll say. The Kremlin, I believe, have released
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  Speaker 6: their statements about what was talked about. The American administration,
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  Speaker 6: last I checked today, they had not released anything yet.
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  Speaker 5: He's too busy releasing memes of himself with George Washington
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  Speaker 5: or as the Green Lantern. I know you're over there
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  Speaker 5: and haven't seen what he's been posting, but it's The
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  Speaker 5: man's not well. He posted himself as the Green Lantern
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  Speaker 5: building some wall. He posted a map of America, Canada, Mexico, Colombia,
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  Speaker 5: all that, all with the American flag saying United States
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  Speaker 5: of America.
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  Speaker 4: He's unwell.
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  Speaker 5: He's having a breakdown. And so I don't expect him
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  Speaker 5: to get to matters of state. I will tell you,
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  Speaker 5: I thought of you in Ukraine this morning because I
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  Speaker 5: thought So four people that are designers of AI that
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  Speaker 5: have worked at OpenAI and at Claude, you know, Anthropic,
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  Speaker 5: have all come out and said that there is a
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  Speaker 5: greater than 10% chance that if we do nothing, AI
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  Speaker 5: will kill us by the end of this decade. These
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  Speaker 5: aren't alarmists. These are people that worked on the projects.
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  Speaker 5: They said that neither Anthropic nor OpenAI are putting in
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  Speaker 5: the guardrails to stop the AI from becoming basically sentient,
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  Speaker 5: from basically... And it's already done it twice in the
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  Speaker 5: last two weeks. It's already gone out on its own
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  Speaker 5: and done things. And they are saying that they can't
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  Speaker 5: be a part of it.
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  Speaker 4: They've quit.
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  Speaker 5: And they are sounding the alarm that if we don't
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  Speaker 5: do something right now, like in the next two to
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  Speaker 5: three months.
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  Speaker 4: That it's over. It's done.
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  Speaker 5: That by the end of this decade, the AI will
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  Speaker 5: in fact get rid of us. And I thought of
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  Speaker 5: that because I thought, what would AI do in the
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  Speaker 5: Ukraine-Russian war?
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  Speaker 4: What would it do? How would it solve that crisis?
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  Speaker 4: Would it bomb Russia? Would it bomb Ukraine?
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  Speaker 5: What would AI choose as an option to end the
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  Speaker 5: war in Ukraine? And it made me think, you know,
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  Speaker 5: because I'm really scared by what they released. This just
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  Speaker 5: came out yesterday. These three people signed a joint statement
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  Speaker 5: saying this is bad. The safeguard is not there. And
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  Speaker 5: there's a greater than 10 percent chance at a mass
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  Speaker 5: human extinction caused by AI.
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  Speaker 4: By the end of this decade. That's four years.
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  Speaker 6: So.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So I just thought about how insignificant the war in
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  Speaker 5: Ukraine and Russia appear when you put it next to
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  Speaker 5: the fact that we have a global human extinction event
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  Speaker 5: brewing on the table that is real and is an
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  Speaker 5: actual threat and we're not doing anything about it. And
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  Speaker 5: I thought that's because we're busy in wars like Ukraine
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  Speaker 5: or with Israel or whatever, you know, just petty stuff
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  Speaker 5: when we actually have a big, huge thing that we
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  Speaker 5: should be paying attention to. But anyway, so I thought
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  Speaker 5: of Ukraine today in that context, in that it seems
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  Speaker 5: like Ukraine is small potatoes when we're talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 5: human extinction.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we have the bulletin of atomic scientists with
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  Speaker 6: the doomsday clock on nuclear, sort of a very, very
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  Speaker 6: dark situation with nuclear weapons. And climate change is sort
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  Speaker 6: of a slow-moving version of this stuff. And AI is
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  Speaker 6: just sort of all this stuff on rapid air raid alarm.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you're having an air raid alarm?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. So as soon as Mr. Witkoff and Kushner left,
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  Speaker 6: we started getting bombing right away. Missiles, drones, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Landing actually pretty close to where I'm at. And so
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  Speaker 6: we had about maybe eight yesterday. And I think I
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: just got our eighth snap for today. Something approximately like that.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, I like to do wallpaper. It's lovely.
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  Speaker 4: Just see it. Oh, thank you. It's lovely wallpaper, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Is it your, do you have a place now? Do you,
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  Speaker 4: I mean like your place?
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  Speaker 6: I have places to be.
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  Speaker 4: Ah, okay.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. So you're still, you're still couch surfing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 5: So let's start, uh, here in the last three minutes
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  Speaker 5: of this segment with a really funny thing.
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  Speaker 4: Not funny. None of this is funny.
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  Speaker 5: Um, but, um, Moscow court has fun, you know, before
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  Speaker 5: we get to this, I, I, I couldn't send you
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  Speaker 5: this video, but, um, Yesterday, two days ago, I reported
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  Speaker 5: on my show, or maybe it was yesterday, I forget.
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  Speaker 4: The week is blending.
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  Speaker 5: The right is mad because at a drag show, this
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  Speaker 5: drag queen did a parody of Charlie Kirk and Erica
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  Speaker 5: Kirk to some song, and the background images were bloody
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  Speaker 5: and gross.
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  Speaker 4: It was in.
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  Speaker 5: Poor taste, let me just say. However, that being said,
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  Speaker 5: It was entertainment. It was supposed to be funny.
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  Speaker 4: And Charlie Kirk said.
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  Speaker 5: That gays could be killed under the Bible and that
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  Speaker 5: who is he to disagree with God? So he basically said, hey, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: go ahead and kill gay people. So if gay people
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  Speaker 5: want to make fun of Charlie Kirk and even his death,
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  Speaker 5: it's amazing how the right loses their sense of humor
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  Speaker 5: or parody or even gets outraged when they're attacked because
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  Speaker 5: versus all the attacks that Charlie Kirk did on gay people.
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  Speaker 5: And so I just bring that up because it appears
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  Speaker 5: in every story that we cover as well that they
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: can dish it out and homophobes can dish it out,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: but they really can't take it. They don't like when
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: gay people strike back, when they react, when they march,
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: when they unify. They don't like it, but they like
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: to attack.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: And this, I mean, if you take this context here,
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: you can hear the air raid alarm now.
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: When.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: A missile hits.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Should you be doing something other than sitting, chatting casually
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: with me? There's an air raid alarm. People tend to go.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: To shelters, yes. They tend to stay in shelters so
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: they don't die. But when bombs land here and they
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: hear the alarm, so they have a signal, it's not
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: just parody or art. You'll find out in the morning.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: Some people have died and many more have been injured.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: This is a daily occurrence happening every day.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: You know, I've been binge watching Eye of the Storm.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: It's this great show on HBO Max and I loved it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: So I thought, well, let me watch them all again
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: because I only saw them once.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: It's great footage.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: And you sound like all the people that live in
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: the Midwest now when the tornado alerts go off. They
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: go off and they're like, ah, nothing ever happens.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: And then, bam, their whole city gets destroyed, you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: because this is the one time that something actually happened.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: But they're the same way you are. They're like, oh, yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: just a tornado warning. No worries. And then all of
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: a sudden, you know, their house blows away or whatever.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: We will get to Moscow has fined Booking.com.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Was it over canceled reservations? Was it over misrepresentation of properties? Nay,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I say. I will tell you what it was about as.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: We continue this day week with Scott Jacobson.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Who is under an active air raid alarm in the
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: middle of Kiev. And he's just going to sit and
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: talk with us. because that's what you do when you're
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: sitting in the bar.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: Not.
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• 21:59
  Speaker 4: You know, Pride Month was rough this year.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: We had a lot of hate heaped upon us from Trump,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: from MAGA, and from other governments around the world. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: if you are a trans person, you are really going
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: through a particular type of hell right now. That's why
• 22:14
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• 22:16
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• 22:41
  Speaker 5: All right, we are back with The Carell Show this
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: gay week. My new backdrop that I love. And by
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  Speaker 4: That is not AI.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: Everyone's like, oh, you did an AI backdrop. Part of
• 22:51
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• 22:54
  Speaker 5: so we are back. And let's go to Scott Jacobson,
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: who is still here, even though there's an air raid alert.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's just a tornado.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: I checked. It's a ballistic missile threat from Kursk.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Did someone text them that Jared Kushner's out of the airspace?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: It's like, Jesus Christ.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, it was helpful.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: They would have done us all a favor if they
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: had taken him out, but you didn't hear that from me.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: What would poor Ivanka do? How would she buy her
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: island now? Do you know him and her? They're looking
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: at an island to buy. Jared Kushner and Ivanka.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: How much have they gained since the second Trump administration
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: came in?
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Billions.
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: How many billions?
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Billions.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: His investment fund got $ 2. 4 billion from the Saudis, who
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: I believe was in exchange for information. I have no
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: proof of this, but I believe 100% that Jared Kushner
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: is funneling information for money.
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: I do.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: He actually had to make the claim yesterday that he
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: is not doing that. So I am not the only
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: person that thinks they're using inside information to game the system. Because,
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: of course, they're using inside information to game the system.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Hello.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: Put that into context. That amount of money, just that 2.4,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: probably puts them in the top five richest people in
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: Ukraine if they were to be compared to the city.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: Or to the country.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: He could buy it. slightly used. All right, Moscow.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: We all know that Russia is cracking down on gayness
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: because they want distractive stories. They don't want you focusing
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: on their economy, on the war, and how they're losing it.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: None of that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: So just like in America, they're doing divisive stories about
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: easy topics. So Booking.com... has been fined 70 grand, basically, 69-3,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: by the government of Russia. And it wasn't over canceled
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: reservations or, you know, booking the Kremlin. It was because
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: they booked the Vlad suite.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: It was because, you know, it was because booking.com sent
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: out a flyer.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Telling their properties, properties that book with Booking.com, how to
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: deal with the upcoming Pride events in various cities, states,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: and countries, and ways that they could actually make money
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: off of the Pride events. Like, if you do this
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: kind of marketing, you know, et cetera, et cetera. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: there was a photo attached to this newsletter. And because
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: the photo was deemed pro-gay, and it did get disseminated
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: to Russian partners of Booking.com, the courts of Russia immediately
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: fined Booking.com under their anti-LGBTQ propaganda law. Now, Booking.com is
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: fighting it because they say, no, we pulled that image
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: down as soon as, you know, so they're fighting it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: What saddened me about the story, Scott, is when Booking.com
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: actually said, well, no, we pulled the image down. That
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: saddened me. I mean, I know they want to do
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: business and they still want to do business in Russia,
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: but it made me sad that they would pull it down.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: If I were Booking.com, I would have said, no, sue us.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: We're not going to pay you.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: It's like you're in good luck extraditing us or whatever.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: But But that's sad.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: So it was about a flyer they sent out with
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: a photo promoting LGBTQ pride months and pride events and
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: how the hotels should market to the gay community. And
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Russia saw that as gay propaganda or supportive of gay
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: propaganda and sued them and did a verdict. One verdict
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: for $ 33, 000, which is like a bazillion rubles. and another
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: one for $ 30, 000- plus, making the grand total $ 69, 300. Of course,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: the Russian LGBTQ Network, the nation's primary gay rights group,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: has been labeled extremist as an extremist organization. This has
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: banned its activities and exposed members to criminal prosecution under
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: charges similar to terrorism.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: So if you support.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: The gay community in any way in Russia, you're basically
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: a terrorist under the current laws. And that includes booking.com.
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: I guess.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, I understand the corporation. They want to make money.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: They were trying to do the right thing in terms
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: of accommodations. The capitulation is always a little bit of
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: a concern. But I also understand that as a business decision,
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: but in terms of an equality decision, it is disappointing.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Some guy named Roskamandazor discovered a photograph attached to the
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: announcement in March, demanded the content be taken down. Representatives
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: from Booking.com asserted that it was, that it was deleted
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: on March 11th. Therefore, there should be no verdict. Russia
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: sees things differently. Things must be tough if they're trying
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: to extort Booking.com for 70 grand.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, they must need some money over there. It's
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: garage sale time.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Would you like to move into another oppressive nation such
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: as Kazakhstan?
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Kazakhstan? A place no gay person has ever wanted to go, ever?
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, yes. Okay, so this one's by Alexander Thompson. So Kazakhstan,
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: president signs amendments banning dissemination of, quote, LGBT propaganda, unquote.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: So this is alike to the Russian case, as we
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: discussed in prior sessions. This is an influential nation-to-nation case.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. Kazakhstan is part of the stands.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: They're all in league with Russia.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: First of all, that's, you know, Uzbekistan, go fuck a
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: stand that they're all, you know, they're all in league.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Afghanistan does have a gay community. And I have been
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: told by many people in the region, if I went
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: to one of the stands, one of the less oppressive
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: stands like Afghanistan, I know that sounds odd because they're
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: oppressive under the Taliban rule. This is pre-Taliban, I was
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: told this, not anymore. But prior to us leaving, I
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: was told that if I were to go to one
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: of the stands, and just be myself, but not be overt,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: not that a lot of you have seen me, that
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: it may in.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Fact be okay. That the people there are... How do
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: I say this?
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: The people are not as restrictive as the government, meaning
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: they're more.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: forgiving.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: When we come back, we're going to talk about Kazakhstan
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: because it's not just one thing about the President Kassim
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Jomart Chokhskaya's sign.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: They actually signed nine things. And we'll tell you what
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: those nine are. And I'll tell you why they did it.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: It's really easy.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: It's a simple connective object. That's why they did it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: And we'll talk about more than that as this day
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: week continues with Scott Jacobson of the Good Man Project
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: in Kyiv.
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  Speaker 5: All right, before we get back to Scott with this
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: gay week, I just want to show you all what
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: I am looking at this very moment. I'm not making
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: this up. There, Scott, that is what I am looking
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: at this very moment. Isn't she just everything that she
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: should possibly be?
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: That is my girl. That is my Ember. She is
• 32:02
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• 32:03
  Speaker 5: Do you see her throne? She's literally on a little throne. Here,
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: I can show you the throne. I can back the
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  Speaker 5: photo up.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see.
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  Speaker 7: There.
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  Speaker 5: My little princess keeps me sane.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: She's aging. She's going to be 11. I can't believe it.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: We were talking about Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan gets a lot of
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: money from Russia. So they're not going to do anything
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: to piss.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Off Russia, period, end.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: The president, Kasim, is it Kasim Jomart Tokayev, signed nine amendments, okay?
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Nine.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: She did it back in December and then also in January.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: They say, as always, it's to protect the children. It
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: builds on a 2002 law that bans the dissemination of
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: information about non-traditional sexual orientation, which, again, this is a
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: ludicrous argument because being gay is a traditional sexual orientation.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: and specifically information with the goal of forming a positive
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: societal opinion of it. So not only do they not
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: want anything about it, they don't want anything that might
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: help you like it. Other amendments extend bans on LGBTQ propaganda,
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: just like the Russian legislation, to regulations regulating culture, education, advertising,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: mass media, and cinema. Supporters say they must protect the
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: children I would just like to bring up that in Kazakhstan,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: they practice Bakabazi.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Do you know what Bakabazi is? Nope. Oh, you should
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: look it up.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: It's practiced in Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan. Bakabazi is where families
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: willfully sell their 14-year-old boys to older men. to be
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: sexual servants and servants of all kind. Often they can't
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: even sleep in the house. They are treated like dirt.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: They are sexually abused from the time they are 14
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: to 18 with the family's blessing. They are sold into
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: this so the family makes money. When they are 18
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: and they are released from Bakabazi, should they turn out
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: to be gay, they will then be punished and or killed.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: So it's okay to screw them from the time they're
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: 14 to 18. But after that, no. A friend of
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: mine was in Afghanistan in the military. Every Thursday, they
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: let the village in to shower and such. And they
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: were told to not prevent the rape of 14-year-old boys
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: and above because it.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Was, quote, cultural.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: So my army friend had to sit and listen to
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: 15- and 16-year-old boys be raped. On the military base
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: because it was part of Baka Bazi and was cultural.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: So for an anti-gay society, they sure have some strange
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: cultures or some sort of cultural things.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: But you can look up Baka Bazi. It is real.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Did you look it up?
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: And am I lying?
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: One factual correction on age 18, age 19.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, we're keeping him another year, I guess.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You ever seen the movie The Kite Runner?
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: I know it was a big hit at one point.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: I may have read it in the past. I completely
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: forgot I didn't see the movie.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: In the movie The Kite Runner, the boy is running
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: from Baka Bazi. He was sold by his parents to
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: an older man.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: It's a terrible thing that they do. And this is
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: accepted now. And it's not considered gay, by the way.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: The men that buy the boys often have wives and children.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: And the boy is not allowed to interact with the children,
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: not allowed to interact with the wife, often not allowed
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: to even sleep in the house. He is just there
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: to do whatever chores they say and have sex with
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: the man.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: That's his whole job. All right.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Well, we'll skip out of Kazakhstan now. When we come back,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: we'll move into yet another oppressive country. No, actually, we're
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: going to talk about Serbia and why many in Serbia
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: are demanding rights. And it's one of the same arguments
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: made in the United.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: States of America, by the way, about why gays and
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: lesbians should have equal rights. I Am Karel, this is
• 36:36
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• 36:39
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• 36:42
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• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Showtime is here. No time to fear.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Corral is so near because Showtime is here.
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  Speaker 3: Let's give it a go. Corral is the one that
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• 37:49
  Speaker 4: All right, we are back.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm just making sure I was correct.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: But yeah, Bakabazi practice in Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan involves wealthy
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: or powerful older men, often warlords, commanders, or businessmen who buy, kidnap,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: or manipulate vulnerable adolescents and prepubescent boys to serve as dancers,
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: status symbols, and sexual concubines until the age of 19
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: when they are released with no compensation No home, no nothing.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: And if after this they identify as gay, they are
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: often killed. They also often make them cross-dress to dress
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: as women. Isn't that lovely? But they're anti-gay over there. Yeah,
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: they're anti-gay. I guess they're pro-abuse, but anti-gay. All right,
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: on to Serbia, which, you know, why not? There's an
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: activist there named Helena Vukovic, and she's a trans activist
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: who was a former military man and is now an activist.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: And she has a very interesting stance on why they
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: should have rights there.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what that is?
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: You pay taxes, make equal rights.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right. I pay equal taxes.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: I want equal rights. It seems like a valid argument.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: It sounds like a valid argument to me, right?
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: I'm a citizen.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: I pay taxes, therefore. That's actually a libertarian conservative argument.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: And I have said in the United States since I
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: was 18 years old and had to pay my first taxes,
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: I have said, why would I pay into a government
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: that doesn't recognize me as a person? And I felt
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: that gays and lesbians in America for decades should move
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: for tax-exempt status because they are not equal citizens. And
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: I think that that would be a solid argument to
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: stand on in Serbia, I think, and in the United States, anywhere.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: It's like, you don't want to recognize me as equal?
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: Then I'm not going to pay taxes. You know that
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to give you money. If I'm not
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: going to pay into a government that doesn't acknowledge who
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: I am.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Plain and simple.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: Someone savvy enough with enough.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, your internet's getting spotty. Let's hope it wasn't hit
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: by a ballistic missile. Now, I believe in Serbia they
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: have same-sex unions. They do not have gay marriage, however.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: I believe. That's what I'm gleaning from the article.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Because when she was asked about same-sex unions She assessed
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: that their legal regulation is necessary in order to solve
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: certain practical issues the same ones that were here in
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: the United States inheritance of jointly acquired property According to
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: her a same-sex partnership does not imply the introduction of
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: marriage But would allow the partner to inherit joint property
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: after death. Oh, so they're pushing for domestic partnership. Oh
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Which is what we did and was our first step
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: to same-sex marriage. So she is hoping that they get
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: same-sex partnership because, again, they pay taxes. And, you know,
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: a good lawyer could make the case.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: They really could. I don't know much about Serbian civil rights.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: I've had a few people ask me, why don't I
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: visit Serbia? I've never wanted to visit the Eastern Bloc nations, Croatia, Serbia,
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: anything like that, because I have the impression they're anti-gay.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: But I have now found out that there are several
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: Eastern Bloc countries that are not anti-gay. So I guess
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: I need to educate myself.
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: Maybe not as anti-gay as you thought.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: Or there have been people that are very active in
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: making that not so.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: Let me just type in pro-gay Eastern Bloc countries. Slovenia
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: and Estonia are the most progressive former Eastern Bloc territories
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: regarding gay rights, with Slovenia legalizing same-sex marriage and Estonia
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: following suit. So those two countries might be someplace for
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: me to go visit one day. Slovenia and Estonia.
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: Did they do that? Did they do that because it
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: was the right thing to do? Or did they do
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: that because they have their Pukovic equivalent locally? I don't know.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, Alan, the Czech Republic, by the way. Prague. Gays
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: love Prague.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: It's not part of the Soviet Union. It was part
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: of the Eastern Bloc. It is now one of the
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: most socially accepting Central European nations, not just of LGBTQ people,
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: offering registered partnerships with marriage legislation frequently debated. They don't
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: have it yet. but they certainly have debated it. Most
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: other former Eastern Bloc nations such as Poland, Hungary, Romania,
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: and Russia maintain huge degrees of social conservatism, restrictive constitutional
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: definitions of marriage, and active state-level pushback against gays. Public
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: opinion across the wider region lags behind Western Europe, though
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: urban centers like Prague, Ljubljana, remains exceptions with active queer communities.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: And it states it was basically public opinion. When they
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: separated from Russia and the Eastern Bloc, they wanted nothing
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: to do with Russian values. Anti-gay was being seen as
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: a Russian value, so they went the other way.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: Although war is putting that on fast track, for sure.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Amen. You sent me a story that, how do I
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: say this?
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: I hate the Catholic Church. And what I hate most
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: about it is its hypocrisy. They preach poverty while the
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Pope wears Prada. They have been anti-gay while their priests
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: are pedophiles, which is not gay, by the way. But,
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, they've got their own sexual problems in the church.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: I've known many a gay priest who was gay, older, and,
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: you know, wanted older men.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: I've met.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Priest at bars before where they have gone out in
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: civilian clothes to cruise and to have sex. I had
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: sex with a priest and didn't know he was a
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: priest until after I had sex with him and I wasn't.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: 12 years old. So I don't like their hypocrisy. It
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: bothers me.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: But it appears that 10 bishops, Italian, have attended a
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: conference on ministry with the LGBTQ people in Rome Now,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: this is a historic conference, and they attended and heard
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: what the gay people had to say and celebrated in
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: part of the Jubilee celebrations of LGBTQ Christians. And 200
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: people attended, a majority of them priests. including 10 bishops
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: who were directly involved in the pastoral ministry in their diocese.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: The bishops responsible for this ministry on behalf of the
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Italian bishops conveyed the personal greetings of Cardinal Matteo Zuppi,
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: president of the Italian bishops' conference. The Catholics like to
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: have it both ways.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: They like to say.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: Everyone's equal and we love our gay partners, but we're
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: not going to recognize their marriages. Being gay is no
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: longer a sin that we preach against, but we're not
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: going to bless unions.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: We're not going to let women be, you know. So
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Catholics know that they have a membership problem.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: They're bleeding congregants. And they're trying to find ways to
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: get more people to be involved in the church. They
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: think by softening their stance on gay issues, that will
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: allow more younger people to actually be a part of
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: the church. I think they're just talking out of both
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: sides of their mouth because they need money. Any thoughts
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: on Catholics?
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: A lot of thoughts on Catholics.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: I'm a former altar boy, so I can give you
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: some thoughts on Catholics.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: Well, I think the current pope as opposed to the last,
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: and the last one was more interesting orations, but not
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: a canon guy. The current guy is more canon and
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: legalistic and don't expect substantial moves towards equality for LGBT.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: They are men that wear dresses and gold jewelry. They
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: wear the biggest hats in the world. Philip Triacchi wishes
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: he could make such hats. And they live together with
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: no women. You know, I mean, the Catholic Church is
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: the gayest shit I've ever heard. And so the fact that,
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: you know, that they're anti-gay, it just always boggles my mind.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: They have set up.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: An entire organization to breed gay people. And instead they
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: try to act like they're against them. Let's do something fun.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Something fun. Doritos, which I don't eat, although some of
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: them are vegan, FYI. they have decided to make rainbow
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: crisps in support of gay rights and conservatives across America's
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: heads have exploded. Just completely boycott Doritos and don't buy
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: the Doritos. Of course, as the judge said in Texas,
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: if you don't like drag shows, don't go to.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: A drag show.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: And if you don't want rainbow Doritos, guess what? No
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: one is going to put them in your shopping cart.
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: There's the brand. The American brand is Cool Ranch Flavor.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: Go for those.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, yeah. You know, I mean, but they are colorful.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: They're dyed purple, blue, green, and red.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Inspired by the pride flag, they've been created in partnership
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: with the It Gets Better Project.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: That's Dan Savage. Do you know who Dan Savage is?
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Of course. Yeah.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: He and I had a long conversation about It Gets
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Better because I went on a tirade on ABC saying
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: it doesn't get better.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: It never gets better. And he was upset that I
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: was out there saying, no, it doesn't get better.
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: I wish I was able to be there and see this.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: He conceded my point at the end, which is it
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: doesn't get better. What gets better is your ability to
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: deal with it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: But discrimination never gets better. There's always going to be haters.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: There's always going to be people out there that hate
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: you without even knowing you. Just because of who you are. Black, gay, straight, woman, male, Canadian, whatever.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: There's always going to be haters. That's never going to change.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Ever. So it's never going.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: To, quote, get better. What gets better is your ability
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: to deal with the haters. Your ability to put that
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: into perspective. And as I say to everyone... I'm all
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: for him trying to get kids through that phase by
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: telling them it gets better, even though that's a lie.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: But getting them through that phase, because once they get
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: through it and once they live through the hatred and
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: deal with it and know how to deal with it
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: and have the tools and the equipment to deal with
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: the hatred. then it doesn't become so central to their lives.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, as you know, I'm hated every day. I
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: get hate mail. I get hate comments under my... I mean,
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: totally hateful things that would drive most people to quit
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: or hide or whatever. And I've gotten them for my
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: entire life.
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: It never changes.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: I get as many hate comments now as I did
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: 20 years ago, 30 years ago. It never got better.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: What got better was my ability to say, you know what,
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: fuck y'all. If I want the opinions of an asshole,
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: I'll fart. You know, I mean, I don't give their,
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: their hatred doesn't have any meaning to me anymore. If
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: my dog loves me and my family loves me and
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: my friends love me, that's all I care about. You know,
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: anything beyond that, I don't fucking care.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: So he helps people get to that.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: Point with the It Gets Better project, where young kids
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: who are feeling bullied, isolated, maybe their parents have thrown
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: them out, whatever it might be. Maybe they've been threatened.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: Maybe they're homeless already on the streets. And they're experiencing
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: online bullying or bullying in person. His project helps them
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: get through that. And once they get through it, I
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: think they realize it'll never change. It's you that changes.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: It's not the haters that change. The hate is universal
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: and always was there, will always be there. What changes
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: is you.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: You change. And your ability to deal with those haters.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: And so, yeah, anyway.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: So Doritos has a project with the It Gets Better
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: Project to support young people struggling with sexual identity. Doritos
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: fans can get their hands on the limited edition by
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: making a charitable donation of at least $ 10 to the organization.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: They are available through National Coming Out.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Day, which is October 11th. I have to tell you
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: a true story.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: My dear friend DW, Daniel Waltos, who everyone thought was gay,
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: and he's been hanging out with me for 25 years now.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: I married him to his wife. I did the ceremony,
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: which everyone thought was funny because people thought we were
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: together and I married him to his wife. But every
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: October 11th, since I met him, every single year, so
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: this will be like the 25th year, every year on
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: October 11th, I call him and I only say one thing.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: Hello, DW. And he's always, yes. And I go, it's
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: October 11th. Do you have anything you want to tell me?
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: And he's like, no. And then I hang up because
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: it's National Coming Out Day. So, you know, who are
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: you winking at?
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Who are you winking at? Don't act like we can't
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: see you're winking. You ain't winking at the ballistic missiles.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: You're winking at somebody. You're muted. Oh, sure. Now you've
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: muted yourself so you can say sweet nothings.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: Oh, no, I'm just so happy the air red alert
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: is gone.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: That is not what you were winking at. You were
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: not winking at an air raid alarm. I don't know
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: what her name is, but she's there. And it's late.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: What is she doing up? Are you keeping her up?
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: I'm not keeping no one up.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: All right, we will finish up when we come back.
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: By the way, if you want to get your bag
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: of Doritos, go to It Gets Better Project, make a
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: $ 10 donation, and they'll send you a bag of Doritos.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Although if they nail them, you're going to get a
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: bag of Doritos. But you'll get rainbow crumbs. But it's
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: the thought that counts. When we come back, if you're
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: a Brit and you're a veteran, you've got about 100
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: days to file for some money.
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: Patreon is the way.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: Now remember, the word is F-U-N-K, funk, honey.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Do you wanna funk? Do you wanna funk, baby? Hey,
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: it's Carell. Go stream Do You Wanna Funk? My tribute
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: to Sylvester.
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: Everywhere you get your music.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Carell, do you wanna funk?
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: Now it's showtime.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Here is your moment of zen, everybody. Just starting with
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: a moment of zen. There you go. A moment of zen.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: She's so white in the face now.
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: Oh, my little girl.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: Scott Jacobson writes for The Good Man Project and many
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: other publications. He does more podcasts than I do. And
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: he is currently in Kiev, Ukraine, where we still do
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: This Gay Week. And this week we're talking about a
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: variety of topics. You know, in Canada, you guys have
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: a monument and And you have also made reparations to
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: soldiers who were kicked out for being gay. We have
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: not done that in the United States. In fact, we
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: are going the other direction and kicking out trans people
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: now and not giving them benefits. In the UK, gay
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: veterans can apply for restorative measures, including financial recognition payments
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: up to 70,000 pounds. These are veterans who were discharged
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: or impacted by the ban on gay personnel in the
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: armed forces, but they only have 100 days left to
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: apply for the government's restorative measures, which were introduced following
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: an independent review of the impact of the ban of
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: LGBTQ personnel serving gay in the UK Armed Forces between
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: 1967 and 2000. The government is now issuing a final
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: call to be eligible for these, and the application for
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: the deadline is December 12th. No one should face persecution.
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: According to their defense secretary, Wes Streeting, he says, no
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: one should face persecution or have to hide who they are.
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: The ban caused lasting harm to many brave personnel who
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: served our country. I hope all eligible veterans come forward
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: before the application deadline closes and urge everybody across our
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: armed forces and gay communities to spread the words. Eligible
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: veterans dismissed or discharged because of the ban can receive
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: a financial recognition payment of 50,000 euros.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: That's a lot of money.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: Veterans may also be eligible for an impact payment of
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: up to 20,000 euros if they experienced other harms such
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: as investigations, harassments, Or disciplinary actions. I say bravo. Bravo
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: to the UK. I'd like to see the US do this.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: And I think Canada did, correct?
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: Yes. But it's been a dual thing.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: One, in.
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: Correcting their lavender issue, our sort of national scandal. And
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: then also with regards to the Thunderhead Monument being that
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: first in the world. You're noting one of the previous sessions,
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: maybe multiple of the previous sessions that it's basically a
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: first in Canada's leading the way, if I'm quoting you correctly.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, it is, and you are. And now the UK
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: is leading the way.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: I don't believe any other military other than Canada's has
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: actually offered compensation to those that were kicked out. For instance,
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: we had the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy that Clinton
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: passed in his House and Senate, and anyone that left
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: under that should receive benefits. You know, so I will
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: say that our Social Security Administration, if your partner died
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: and was a domestic partner, legal domestic partner, they did
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: under Biden start recognizing even retroactively. So you could file
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: and get the Social Security of your domestic partner if
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: they had passed away. I know because someone said, oh,
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: I could get Andrews. And I said, well, mine would
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: be more because he died at 34. So, you know,
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: he didn't have a big social security. But if I
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: didn't have access to it, it would have been nice
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: that I could have gotten his. At least it would
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: have been something. We spoke earlier about bullying and it
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: gets better and all of that. You sent a story
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: from the Electronic Frontier Foundation that about what's one thing
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: I can do today to improve my safety and security
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: online as a gay person.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: Get offline.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: That's not what the story says, but that's, you know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: if you don't want to, you know, if you don't
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: want to be stung by a jellyfish, don't go in
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: the ocean. You know, you don't want to be bitten
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: by a shark, stay out of the sea. So I
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: think that it's, I think the article is well-intentioned. Basically
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: says safeguard your login, protect your personal information, watch what
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: you post, review permissions on social.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: Media apps, all of that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: Consider what you're saying when you're speaking to other people online.
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: I would say if you're gay and you're online and
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: you make it known in any way, shape or form,
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: you're going to get haters. It's just it's going to happen.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: And I don't think there is a way to protect
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  Speaker 5: yourself from that.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know. I mean, do you see any way.
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  Speaker 5: Where a person that's gay could actually insulate themselves online
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  Speaker 5: from abuse?
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: I don't. It's going to happen.
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: I mean, someone to become super prominent and be young
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: like Lil Nas X requires a very resilient person. But
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: if you're not into being a public person, I mean,
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: all these conversations around this last one for today are
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: ridiculous because in an insane society, you wouldn't have to
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: have these conversations. They should not be necessary. But in
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: terms of sort of a teetotaling with regards to internet
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: intake and output, I think... Oh, did I lose him?
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  Speaker 5: No, I just found a way to make you the
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  Speaker 5: full screen when you're talking.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't that something?
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  Speaker 6: Hi, Scott Jacobson, Canadian. How are you doing? So I
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: think for A lot of these things, part one is
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: in a sane society, you shouldn't have this happening at all.
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: Part two is given that we don't live in equal
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: or sane societies by and large, even in many of
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: the open societies, some of these precautions will be necessary
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: because the internet is unavoidable. Social media is unavoidable. We
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: know with teen girls, for instance, and Instagram and TikTok,
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: there are a lot of mental health issues that can
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  Speaker 6: get worse. Different things for young boys. There are some
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: gendered aspects to this, but with regards to sexual orientation.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you, because they just had to
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: settle a big lawsuit where they said, yeah, we knew that.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: Kids were getting bullied. We knew teens, but we didn't
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: really do anything about it. And, you know, they've had
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: to settle lawsuits about this. They have never had to settle.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: That was about young teens. They've never really had to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: settle a lawsuit brought against them by the gay community.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: Because Meta knows that people are posting these comments under
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: gay peoples.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: They know. And yet they let them do it.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: I have reported homophobic comments under my post, and they
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: have sent me things saying we've left it up because
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: it doesn't violate our terms of service. So calling me
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: a faggot is totally fine with Meta. And not just me,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: but you see what I'm saying? A young person, they're
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: not adequately protecting young people from this kind of bullying
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: is what I'm trying to say.
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  Speaker 6: No, and most teen psychology, you know, however sort of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: adaptable they can be compared to older people, it's pretty
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: quick from word to feeling. And that's the real thing.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: I just love making music now. I found out how
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: to do it. All right. Scott, you're having an air raid.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: Go to bed. Grab whoever she is. Get to the bathroom.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: You know, and get into the bathtub and get comfortable. Hi,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: I'm Karel.
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  Speaker 8: Do you want to be in front of anybody? We'll
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: be back next week.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: I always have to cut off my own ads because
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: they just, at the end, they just take me by storm.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: Thank you for joining us, particularly under the situations that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: you're in. Hopefully we'll see you next week because you'll
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: be alive and well.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: And not hit by a ballistic missile.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: Always a possibility.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: I'm going to make you big there. Say goodbye to everybody.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: You're all big. There. See there, Scott, in full frame.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: I love that wallpaper. Andrew, my late husband, would adore it.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: My question is, is the cushion the same as the wallpaper?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: Does the cushion match the tray?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: Look right behind your shoulder. It looks like that cushion
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: matches the wallpaper.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, no, it does. They do. They do match.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So is this a woman's apartment or a gay man's?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: This is a massive apartment of a friend.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: Look, either a woman or a gay man did the decorating, honey,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: because no one's going to match the sofa to the wallpaper.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: Unless they're a woman or gay.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: An East European did the decorating.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: And what was his name?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: Was he like that one in Beverly Hills Cop played by, oh,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: what was that actor's name? He was on a sitcom
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: and then he was, and he's like, He plays.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: A Russian all the time. Eddie Murphy.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And then he had the gay, the gay friend.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, Axel Foley.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That was his, that was Eddie's name, but he had
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: a gay friend, like a designer. He's a, what was
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: his name?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: He was an actor that was on a sitcom and
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: he plays a Russian guy and, and has a, like
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: an accent and they thought he was.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: Going to be a big star. He never really did get,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: superstar status but he was a pretty big star uh
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: but anyway he played a middle eastern eastern block gay
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: guy uh.
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  Speaker 6: And me remember that guy uh i forget his name
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: it was uh one of those jackie chan and uh
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: chris tucker movies yeah and he was like a fashion
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: guy and they had some bloopers of this thing too
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: remember this.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: Oh here he is i had to look him up
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: his name is Bronson Pinchot. Bronson Pinchot. Bronson Pinchot. P-I-N-C-H-O-T.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: He was an actor. He made a television debut and.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: Had a very successful TV show. And then he played
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: in Beverly Hills Cop 2 as a gay Eastern block.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: Perfect Strangers. He was on for seven years.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: He was in the most recent Axl F 2024 as well.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because his character was very, very popular. And it
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: was gay.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: And he was all, oh, darling, you know, the whole thing.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: He was me, basically, but from the Eastern Bloc.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: It's just the way it is. All right, Scott Jacobson,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: thank you. I am Carell. Be who you want to be,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: so I'm unhurty, buddy. We'll be back on Monday, tomorrow, 9-11.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Be reverent.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: Listen to If I Had My Way by Linda Etter
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: and Tuesday Morning by Melissa Etheridge. And try to remember
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: that while we may have been attacked.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: We learned nothing from it. No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: I'm kidding. That'll be a topic for Monday. Goodbye, everybody.