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It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for Ignition with the
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A. W. Fatoub podcast team. This is Kelson and this is Alex,
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and I think the theme of today's episode is going to be Japan.
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Japan. Yeah, so yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot of
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Alex. I don't know what that sound effect I just made it was what
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Japan thing? I don't know. I don't think so. I think maybe
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like the golf clap is the sound of Japanese wrestling. Seriously, mm hmmm,
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gosh, it's like going to a funeral and I should know. But
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anyway, go ahead, Alex, Yes, all good, all good.
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Yeah. So the big thing that happened, I mean, coming out of
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Wednesday's episode of Dynamite, they showed the video of Jack Perry and see him
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punk s guffling for like one second, and Jack Perry coincidentally had a match
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of Friday with New Japan in Chicago, Chicago being the hometown of DM Punk.
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So like everyone was buzzing out over the fact that he's going to be
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appearing there in Chicago in front of the Chicago crowd, and he put on
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an awesome show. I don't know, and anybody else see this match or
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see clips of it. I saw highlights on Yeah, I saw yeah.
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So we came out with a leather jacket that said crimea River on the back.
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He came out of the Chicago flag, and he came out all so
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with like six guys in riot gear. I guess to protect him from the
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fans, but he actually got like if the crowd wasn't in Jungle Boys or
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Jack Perry's favor, they were at least like a fifty to fifty split.
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They were Yeah, they were chanting, oh Crime your riv It was,
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yeah, you got choked out, No you didn't chance like dueling, Yeah
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it was. It was awesome and he really like played the heel well the
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whole match. He took his time. He was basking in the hate or
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the just the jeers of the crowd and everything. Yeah, it was really
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awesome, and I think it felt like that's probably his last match in New
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Japan. So yeah, I get the sense that just An I don't think
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it's confirmed, but I mean next weekend is is Dynasty, and if he
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doesn't show up on Dynamite this week, then I think there's a a pretty
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good chance that he shows up on Dynasty. Okay, but okay, so
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but Alex, if he shows up on Dynasty, what part is he going
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to play? Who's he going to side with? Is he going to side
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with anybody? That's That's the question I have for you. Mm hmmm.
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I think, and be based on you know, the Young Bucks have been,
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you know, shouting him out to the camera. They had a scapegoat
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T shirt on last week's episode of Dynamite while they were doing their whole thing.
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There's a very good chance that the Elite is not just the three person
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unit, and that we see like Jack Perry join up with them as well,
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and like behind the scenes, we also know he's changing in the Young
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Bucks locker room, like he's a big close fan, close friends with the
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Young Bucks behind the scenes as well. So I think that makes a lot
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of sense. Okay, Elite feel a little bit like to me, like
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they're growing into a bullet club asque type of deal. If it was me,
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I would set him by himself just because he needs to stand out and
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he needs to be able to learn to eat on his own. But that's
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just my I mean, you know, that's just my deicience on that mm
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hmm, yeah, like I that makes sense, but I also worry about
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like he's got buzz right now. You put him with the elite, they're
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great, They are great at getting the fans to be against them. And
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if you put him by himself and he falls flat, it can quickly go
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wrong. The biggest problem with putting him by himself there's not really anywhere to
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put you know what I mean, He don't really have an opponent right now,
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and it would all depend on who they put him up against. I
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like the idea with going to the to the elite, but we talked about
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that last week, so you know it's just gonna be it's gonna be interesting
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for damn sure. So do you have any thoughts of who you would put
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him up against then? If I was to bring if he's coming back,
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I mean you okay, So we haven't seen we haven't seen uh Christian since
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he lost the title. I haven't heard anything from him, haven't heard about
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him at all. They haven't talked about him. So if if in reality,
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because that was what was the thing he was going with before he left,
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I would I would put him up against Christian. If Christian's gonna come
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back, if he's done with his little maybe self imposed hiatus. But other
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than that, I really don't know where he would fit yet because I haven't
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seen his character in New Japan. So I've heard about it. I've heard
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what he's been doing, but I haven't actually seen it yet, so not
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knowing how he's changed, I would need to see it, you know what
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I mean. I'd have to see it before I could figure out who I
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would want to put him up against, because he can go up against anybody,
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m but he's kind of he's kind of like unhinged like, but not
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in a Tony Storm kind of unhinged kind of way. And I'm gonna throw
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something out there and see if you guys agree with because I was thinking about
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it too, and I kind of don't want to see him go with the
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elite, but I don't want to go and see him go with anyone.
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My idea for Jack Perry is, and I'm gonna say a name here,
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and I'm not alluding to that Jack Perry is this guy is as good as
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this guy, all right, But I kind of see Jack Perry is kind
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of like with the reception that he's gotten in New Japan and his promos that
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he's done in New Japan. He's kind of like an ant high hero,
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something like a stone Cold Steve Austin type character, not as you know,
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likable. I guess yeah, he rich can spoiled brat stone cold, and
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that's the way I see it. I'm interested to hear what others may have
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to say about but see that gives him the perfect fit with the elite,
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because that's exactly what they are. They're the rich kid ev P. You
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know, all they ever used to do was talking about shoes. They would
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go out and buying that kind of thing. So he kind of does been
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in that group. But uh, I get I get where you're coming from
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though though kill Like I said, it just depends on m If you put
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him in that sense, I can see him getting involved with fighting the continuing
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to fight against like the callous family m y W I just said, I
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said, fight against anybody who wants to fight. Well, yeah, yeah,
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it depends on who they put him up against. Yeah, because I
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do like your idea of putting him against Christian and if you have Jungle or
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Jack Perry, be respectful to him. Uh yeah, if him against Christian
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and if you're using that to turn Christian faith so that he can team up
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with Edge later. I like that idea. I don't know how you could
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well on that Christian. Before he left, the rumor was that they were
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going to have Mama turn on Christian and she and and what the what I'd
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heard they were planning was they were going to bring in Jack Perry as her
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new guy who was like the head of the group, and they kicked Christian
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out and that was how they were supposed to end Christian's craziness. That was
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before everything happened and he left, So that's that's something that could happen.
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I think that would be amazing. I can't remember if it was before he
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left or shortly after he left, but Jack Perry did file a couple of
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trade barks which alluded to a re team with Lucas horse. M I just
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don't kill Switch and Jack Perry Luca's horse. He'll switch. He's never gonna
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be killed Switch. I'm sorry, I just can't get behind that. I
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don't know if I want the two teams back together again. I mean,
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he's being a good heal I don't think he needs him. You know,
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he comes back first. I want to see him feud with it are some
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people who were related, you know who who need the push. I think
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he's gonna be heal. He has to be. He needs to be healed
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because he's soaked on that end right now. He is an anti hero,
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but him him beauting with Christian will not be bad either. But I don't
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think he needs a joint or take over any any any clubs. I mean
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him and Christiannie beef of he took away his friend, but you know,
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I him against Christian and a renewed Hey, you were right a little bit,
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but I'm gonna prove you better than you type of thing. What work
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right well? That you've been eerily silent? Are you? Do you have
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any opinions on Jack Verrier? I mean, I like him. I just
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don't know what they're gonna do with him. So I was trying to think
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about who he could feud with, and I don't know, I really don't
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know. I'm hopeful that they don't drop the ball with him, because he
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is He's in a really good position to do very very well with a W
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and move the story of Jack Perry forward. But I can't think of anyone
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I really want to see him with I like him by himself, and I
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can't think of anyone I would like to see him feud with either, So
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I don't know, and it depends on his persona when he comes back.
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Right. And about that though, here's the thing. He's been doing all
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this in New Japan, right, how many of the fans are actually been
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watching him in New Japan. So whatever he's been doing there, they may
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not even There may be fans that don't even have a clue and go,
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wow, that's such. They may you know what I mean. They may
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see, well, he was this way when he left and he come back
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and we don't understand why, so they have to be careful how they bring
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him back too. That's true. Right, Well, you know, move
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it on speaking of New Japan, because we're gonna this is a Japan based
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podcast that we are going to do a Dynamite preview in shortly. But I
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wanted to talk about an announcement that Rocky Romero made, uh two or three
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days ago, I think it was like three days ago where he now said
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he's now the vice president of Talent for New Japan Pro Wrestling. Now he's
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been a liaison for New Japan Pro Wrestling with other companies for this whole time.
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But now he's heading up the strong events and and he will continue to
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be lais on between New Japan Pro Wrestling and the companies. How do you
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see that, you know, coming How do you see that with the with
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AW? How do you see it as an affecting a W Is it more
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of a positive thing now that we have Rocky Romero, who's obviously you know,
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a big part of AAW as well. Yeah, I feel like it
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can only benefit AW because yeah, there he's been maybe the key person from
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New Japan and all the forbidden door stuff, like Tony has mentioned. I
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know in the podcast I heard him saying basically he's just working and arranging everything
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between himself and Rocky Romero in terms of like who's coming in and all the
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logistics of it. So I imagine that relationship is continuing. And Rocky Romero
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is a wrestler as well. He's been a big part of CML, and
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I'm sure he's been a big part of CML and aw's relationship. Like Rocky
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Romero is the quintessential like journeyman of wrestling, like he's been around for twenty
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years. He's been part of Ring of Honor in New Japan CMLL Triple A,
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so he's been around for a long time, he's held titles everywhere,
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and he's obviously has a really good relationship with Tony Kahan. So I think
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it's only positive, and especially we just saw Jack Perry basically do an excursion
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to New Japan. John Moxley's now the Champion of New Japan, so yeah,
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I think it's only good for a w Yeah, I do think so
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too. Anybody else have any thoughts on this? I agree? I think
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I think a lot of this is going to have to do with there's been
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so many changes in New Japan lately that you know, they're they're losing a
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lot of their they've lost to some of the top stars, They've had a
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lot of different things happen. So this was a possibility to like we had
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talked about with like stardom and aw having the opportunity to work together more.
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This I think will make that opportunity better for them too. With New Japan
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right right well, with with John Mosley being champions there too, we had
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a company I'm sorry he knew betweenity I GP. Yeah, it's the same
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thing. It's like their top title of New Japan. Okay, yeah,
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so he's their big name now, dude. But I think this is a
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good chance for them to bring in once in a while people who they try
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to get over at Forbidden Door. Maybe they have a chance to show who
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they are and show video and get us to know people who usually show up
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a because I don't know who named Nido was when Jericho faced him or whoever
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it was, you know, so I think people like that's a great a
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great chance to show us, Hey, this guy's this good, this is
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the story, this is the backstory, you know, and this is this
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and that way we can actually have Forbidden Board and that means something. Then
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maybe once in a while at Japanese person can actually win a match during Forbidden
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Door. Yeah. I'm with you on that, MK, I really am
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not. Did you have any opinions on the Rocky Romeo thing. I like
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Rocky Romero. Uh. One thing that I know about him is he's very
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popular in the independent wrestling So I think that he's probably going to bring up
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a lot of independent wrestlers into more of the mainstream along with him, and
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I think that's a win win for everybody. So yeah, I think it's
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a huge opportunity for AW and New Japan to really get forbid and door going
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very very well and introduce our fans to their fans and vice versa. So
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yeah, I think it's gonna be good. He's a good guy. Yeah
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yeah, So you know what, let's move on, so keep it in
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line with our Japan theme that we've got going on. The night Rassi and
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ousted from Stardom back and I believe it was January, maybe it was February,
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much to the delight of Tony Khan, because it was a parent that
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Rossiagawa had no intention of ever working with a w And of course since a
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Goa has been gone, we have now seen we have now seen Stardom talent
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working with not only Ring of Honor but also AW. So that being said,
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the problem is is that Rossia Goawa started Marigold, which is his own
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company, which is a direct competition with Stardom. And yes, Stardom did
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lose you know, a few top talents to Marigold, and so their roster
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is a little bit depleted right now. And of course you've got that veterans
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at Stardom like Mina and oh boy, that's a POI. And you've got
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Tim Nakanna. You know, there's several veterans that are there, but you've
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also got twenty one year olds and younger and in startom that you know they're
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they're called rookies. I mean they are very young and very green. I've
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been keep an eye on them. Then they're actually approving at a really quick
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rate, which is good. But Stardom in ae W look to be working
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together now, and I really do expect to see Marigold and WWE working together.
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We already know that Julia is going to do some shows for Marrigold,
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but then she's going to go to n XT in WWE. So what my
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thought press process here and what I'd like to hear from from you guys,
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your opinions, anything you want to say say. But you know, I
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think that it's going to be one of those things where Stardom really needs aw's
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helped or survive, and AW could use that to get some of their wrestlers
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that are that need that little extra push to become great, because I personally
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do feel like stardom is this is the subject to opinion, but I do
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feel far and away, Stardom is the best women's wrestling company in the world
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that it has been for maybe the last two or three years, and when
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you before that, it was pretty damn good. But anyway, so you
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know, i'd like to hear, like what your thoughts are, I mean,
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do you want to see Stardom wrestlers coming to aw and Ring of Honor
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And who would you think would be benefit from going over to Stardom, you
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know, for maybe a month or two, just to help them get through
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this new phase that they're going through. Yeah, I would say, like,
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I really have enjoyed the Stardom women in aw so far. They had
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awesome matches on the Rank of Honor pay per view. Mina Shirikawa has been
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really cool and she's had a cool storyline going with Mariah May and Tony Storm.
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And I really like Maria Mina Shirkawa's theme song as well. That's like
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stuck in my head all the time. And yeah, I think in Azumi
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she was on Collision, she had a really good match with Tony Storm.
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Like, yeah, they've been a net positive, probably more than some of
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the New Japan people that have come in in the past. Like I think
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they've really helped the women's division in aw and I think that relationship can go
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both ways. Yes, The weird thing about it to me is like,
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why did why does this rossi Ogawa And I don't know anything about him,
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but why was he so against working with Tony Kahan? Well? I think
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probably, and this is pure speculation here on my part, I think it
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probably had a lot to do with that he really wanted to work with WWE
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and if he worked with aw WW is going to tell him to get bent.
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So, you know, but Stardom see, Rossi was the founder of
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Stardom, but Stardom is owned by Boushi Road, which is also the owner
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of Japan Pro Wrestling, So Stardom is basically the sister company of New Japan,
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you know. So they dictated what he could and could not do,
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and they let rossi Ogawa go because it seems like he was preparing to start
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his own company and he started purging from the Stardom roster while he was still
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in Stardom, and that's why they let him go. So when Rossie was
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let go, Tony Kahan took to Twitter like immediately and it was like thank
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God. And then right away. It was you know, two weeks later,
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the guy who took over for Ogawa, uh and I believe his last
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name is Okadah was backstage with Tony Khan at an AW show. I believe
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it was a collision. So that's that's the story. You know, as
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soon as Ogawa was gone, the forbidden door opened up. So it's really
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obvious that Ogawa was not willing to work with Tony Khan. Yeah, that
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he was assuming he was going to work with WWE, which is never something
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you should ever assume you're going to get to do. While Goa and Julia
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we're both at Russell Bania Week so as guests the w W, so it
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does look like, oh, go is going to be working with w W.
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So eventually he did get his wish yeah promotion as well. Yeah,
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and how much and how much? How much? How much is people?
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Are people going to be willing to put into a new promotion, especially with
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the trade. I mean, Japan's more about tradition, right, So this
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is going to going to be looked upon like, uh, this dude stole
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these people from the company he started because he didn't get his way. I
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don't know, it just seems weird that that you He's almost right, You're
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almost I mean, it's kind of going to be like almost a given for
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them to work with WWE because that was where they would fit more than they
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would with aw Right. Well, here's the thing. When you said Japan's
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more steeped the tradition, they're more steeped in loyalty, and there are there
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are several wrestlers who left stardom out of loyalty to Rossio Gawa, even though
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it's widely known that Rossio Gowa. I mean, if you ever pay attention
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to stardom, those women wrestle a lot. They wrestle a tremendous amount of
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time, so you know you got to give them a break in if they
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continue with that trend with their depleted roster, that's how injuries happen, and
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that's how you know, seeing the same thing over and over again will get
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stale. So that's why I'm thinking that I wouldn't be surprised if aw said,
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I mean, if you haven't watched stardom, Stardom is very faction based.
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They don't do a lot that isn't faction based. They have singles matches,
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but they're always between the two factions, and the factions are very di
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dynamic. They change all the time, not the names but the members within
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them, so there's always little feuds going on in jealousies and stuff like that.
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It's actually quite good to watch. But my point is is that if
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they send if aw sends women over to Stardom to supplant their roster and to
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also give them experience, you know, it would probably be a faction.
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There you go, that would be cool. That's cool. On on on
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the subreddit. I'll I'll just give you my opinion. I would like to
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hear your opinions. I want to see I thought that I would like I
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would like to see the Princesses of the Black Throne go over, And by
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that I mean that would be the faction name because Japan and the Stardom is
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all about princesses, women's wrestling, their princesses, cinderellas, everything like that.
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So but I thought, if you were going to send four women over,
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I would like to see Julia Hart Sky Blue and Uh and Anna Jay
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at the fourth Abdon it would be what in my mind, I think the
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best of the fourth would be Billy Starks and on that Abadon thing Japan,
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and it's weird, but she kind of plays like a zombies schoolish kind of
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character. They don't know what. They don't have zombies in Japan, they
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don't do they do have a zombiesh kind of character, like a vampire kind
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of character. And Stardom it's for like ten years back in the mid to
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t by around ten ten, twenty ten, I worked at a hunt that
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the owner of the Haunt had worked for a company that was partnered with people
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in Japan, and they brought in these guys because they'd never seen zombies.
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They didn't know what they you know, because it's not something to do.
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So that's why I was thinking maybe if they took Abadon over there, they
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may have to change her character a little bit because that could be really weird.
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But I didn't know that about them having a character like that. They
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just say she's a ghost. Yeah, she's a ghost. Yeah she's she's
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not like a zombie, but she's very much I mean, she comes out
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and she has pale you know, pale face and whatnot. It's it's pretty
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interesting, you know. The other thing that's interesting about Stardom to me is
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that they generally don't blade over there, but they do bleed, and when
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they bleed, it's legit bleeding. I mean, there's so many. My
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favorite started wrestler right now is N's a Poy. I just think she's just
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super cute, super dynamic, and she can do anything. And but the
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thing with her is that when she gets out of a match, I mean,
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this woman has covered in bruises from head to toe and she's got scrapes
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all over her face. I mean she looks like she's been through a war.
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And you know that, and I like that. I like that they
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look like their bed in a fight, because you don't you know how like
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you when you watch the movie and somebody would punch somebody and they'd pop right
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up. That doesn't happen in real life. You know, you do get
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bruises, you do get scrapes, and they do and start them. Yeah,
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So, Kelsen, I'm curious when you look at the roster for Marigold
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or Marigold, does that look like a good start for a new promotion or
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is it weak or is it really amazing? Like what are your thoughts on
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that? My thoughts are like they have some very high profile that's a small
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roster. I think they've got ten women right now. But for those women
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at least are very high profile wrestlers in the world, not only in Japan,
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but they're well respected and known throughout the world. And obviously not as
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much as you know, like an American wrestler WWE or or or AW,
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but they are known throughout the world. The thing about it is, and
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you know, a lot of people don't like Rossie. I'm not. I
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am not a Rossie fan, but I have to give him his props.
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I have to give credit where it's where it's due, is that the man
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can recruit. He's probably one of the best recruiters in the world, and
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he he recruits weirdly. He doesn't look for the best wrestlers. He looks
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for a look. He will hire, He'll put an added the paper,
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and I think he just I think Mary Gold just put it out the paper
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where they're looking for actresses and wrestlers, and they get these young nineteen twenty
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twenty one year old women who are athletic looking and beautiful. I mean,
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look, you look at the Rossi stardom roster. Ninety eight percent of them
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are women that you would say they could be modeled, and most of them
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were. Marina Mina Shirakawa was a model, you know, and it's it's
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that's just the way it is. I mean Japanese wrestling and stardom, they
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had the look. Now there are some wrestlers in stardom that you know don't
30:18
have that model look. That doesn't make them any less, but any less
30:22
of a wrestling I'm just saying that's I mean, he's a he's a great
30:26
recruiter, and he's great at getting people. Like I said, they call
30:33
them rookies over there. Uh, these young girls of young women to come
30:37
in and they learn from from the veterans, and because it's faction based,
30:45
they have a story ready built around them already, so they have something to
30:51
do. I mean, you know, some of them are just not very
30:55
good, but then you watch them for a while over a year's time,
30:57
with the amount of work that they get over there, I mean we're spoiled
31:03
at aw where you would see a sky Blue match and then you know,
31:07
you see a sky Blue match on Dynamite, then you may see another sky
31:10
Blue match on Collision, and then you don't see sky Blue again for six
31:14
weeks. That does not happen. And stardom yeah, you know, yeah,
31:18
like WWE diva search in finding the wrestlers, and then Japanese like intense
31:26
boot camp wrestling training basically on the job training. And it's not like when
31:33
I say that these women in Japan and stardom look like models, I don't
31:38
mean that in any other way, because they are serious about what they're doing
31:44
and they do get good. But when they start, they're green. You
31:47
know, it's it's a fact. You were to start wrestling today, you'd
31:49
be green. You know. It's just you know, that's just the way
31:52
it is. But their work ethic is incredible, and it takes them relatively
32:00
little time compared to other companies, you know, AW and WWE specifically is
32:06
what I'm talking about, where they could develop a wrestler that has no experience,
32:10
you know, and into a viable competitor considerably less time. I guess
32:17
it's the best way put it. So when I so years ago, I'm
32:22
going to bring it back to years ago, they had a women's tournament where
32:29
it was Japan and versus and the other side was was AW wrestlers, and
32:37
there were people and there were wrestlers like make Eo uh, and there was
32:42
Asia Kong and there are some others and I watched uh. I got on
32:50
YouTube and I watched the Japanese side more than I did the American side of
32:55
the wrestling, because I enjoyed those matches better. I think I'm hoping that
33:01
maybe the women's division will be integrated into more hard hitting wrestling and make it
33:07
to where you want to watch. And as someone who I want to go
33:12
over who who we haven't talked about, Punisias Curson over there. I think
33:17
once ty Klwanti has you know, raise the baby a little bit stuff,
33:23
maybe they maybe her and Sandy go over there and work on themselves and as
33:30
a wrestler and get going with that, because I think Sandy is great by
33:34
himself, but he could learn better over there. And then tay Kwanti is
33:38
excellent. She has a patent, try she has a look and I think
33:43
she could use it as well. That's a good point. Of course,
33:45
you're not going a baby to Japan. May not be easy, but they
33:51
want to do it. They could probably do it. And then that would
33:52
also fit in with Senna Dana Jay because they used to be a tag team.
33:57
Yeah right, heya but if you watch it, if you watch stardom,
34:07
they're all about, you know, presentation or but all about factions.
34:10
They're all about presentation. You watch a start a match, I mean it
34:15
takes them ten minutes to get to the ring and do whatever they're going to
34:17
do, you know, because they have these big, long entrances. They
34:22
that they throw streamers after they introduce them. Once they get in the ring,
34:24
they throw streamers. They got to clean the streamers out. Then the
34:27
next person comes out, they get introduc introduction, they throw streamers again,
34:30
and then after everybody's introduced. They most of the times they the referee stands
34:35
in the middle of the ring and the two women or the two teams that
34:38
are participating in a match, they post for photo op. I mean,
34:43
it's just it's preposterous. And then the match starts, and it's weird because
34:46
they kind of like circle each other for a minute. You know, they're
34:50
like feeling each other out. You know, it's like seeing who's going to
34:53
make the first move, and it's like you're you're anticipating something happening. At
35:00
that boom, all hell breaks loose, and it's all hell breaks loose for
35:04
the rest of the match. It's non stop action. So it's very very
35:09
interesting if you haven't watched Stardom matches, and you know, what's the storytelling
35:15
is good. I don't understand a word of Japanese, and I understand exactly
35:20
what's going on in Stardom because the storytelling is that good. Hm. I
35:29
may have to look them up on YouTube. Yeah, they have. There's
35:34
there's several primers on YouTube. There's several matches, several there's hundreds of matches
35:40
on Stardom's official website on YouTube. And you know what's interesting to me is
35:45
that, of course Japan had Startom and they have Total Japan Pro Wrestling,
35:52
and the two companies are completely different. Is that where Yoshi Pro Pro Total
36:05
Japan is uh Yukosakazaki, uh Karshida, Riho maki Edo, uh Meu Yamashida
36:16
uh. You know you have that type where they wrestle in the you know,
36:25
you see kind of way I guess is the way you put it.
36:28
I'm not trying. I don't want to say something that takes away from what
36:30
they're doing because they're fantastic. I really do enjoy them. But when you
36:35
get to stardom, you're getting into a strong type strong style wrestling where they
36:40
beat the ship out of each other. This is no other way to put
36:43
it. Yeah, you know, and it's constant. They're they're they're not
36:47
doing you know, just running around screaming there, which is what Joshi's often
36:53
do, you know. And and the other thing about stardom is that,
36:58
you know, people have criticized Rio for being tiny and stuff like that,
37:02
they wrestle within their means. I mean, not to the poy well again,
37:06
as one of my favorite wrestlers, she's four foot eleven, but she
37:08
wrestles bigger, and more importantly, she's believable when she does it. So
37:17
I think the hardest the hardest problem you're going to have with fans here is
37:22
getting them used to that because they're not you know, a w w W.
37:29
They they they have great women, some of them are very good wrestlers,
37:34
but they're not like it's just like watching a men's match with women.
37:38
So that kind of a new and it would be new for most people with
37:44
the stardom type matches. So that could be a little bit of an issue
37:47
for a little while. But if it's good, it'll get it'll get over.
37:52
It of course, you know, Carrie Saying and Neil Sky there started
37:57
that they came from stardom, so so you know, AW will eventually get
38:02
people from stardom, but I think it'll be more like a working relationship than
38:07
a signee, you know. But yeah, it is what it is.
38:12
Yeah, Yeah, I think it's really promising and I think it's very interesting
38:15
how it's almost like the war between ae W and WWE. It's like Stardom
38:23
in AW joining up now WWE and Marigold, Like obviously there's a lot of
38:31
opportunities for AW to really improve their roster by bringing dardom wrestlers in, and
38:37
I think it's I think it's almost more interesting than the New Japan relationship in
38:44
a lot of ways because aw's men's roster is like so so strong, and
38:49
I think there's more opportunity to benefit from bringing in the stardom women than there
38:54
is on the New Japan men's side of things. Yeah, well, as
39:01
women's roster is not anything that needs that right now either, that's really gotten
39:07
better. Yeah, if the grow better, once Jamie Hater comes back,
39:12
once some other people come back, it's gonna be stronger than ever. And
39:15
I would argue it would be one of the one of the best in the
39:20
world because they're going to have all these all these people coming back and joining
39:24
together and hopefully doing some things. You know. The weird thing about at
39:29
MK is that so many a W women have wrestled for startup, excluding Karoshida,
39:35
who I guess had a falling out with I don't know if she had
39:40
a falling out with ROSSI, I don't know, but she was like,
39:43
I'm not gonna wrestle for starters. But Tony Starves been there. JB.
39:46
Hater's been there. I believe Britt Baker went there once, Giada Parazzo,
39:54
Mariah may Oh, yeah, I mean, you know so but a Carshido
40:00
of course was t J p W. So is y Kaza Kazaki, so
40:04
is Rijo, so as maki Edo. You know. So it's interesting,
40:09
you know, I mean, it's I really am excited for the start up
40:13
at a W matchup. I really am, because I think that's what it's
40:20
gonna be. It's gonna it's not gonna be a partnership. It's gonna be
40:22
a matchup. I think they're going to coexist out of necessity for stardom,
40:27
especially right now mm hmm. But anyway, you know, let's let's take
40:32
a look at I don't want to touch on every match, but let's let's
40:37
look at a few of the interesting points at UH at Dynamite this week.
40:44
I mean, do you have a is there anything that stands out to you
40:46
as like that one that you have to see on Dynamic because this is a
40:53
want I don't want to say stacked, but it's a congested card. I
40:57
mean there's like nine different segments already have for Dynamite this week home show.
41:04
Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, go ahead, k there's a few that
41:09
need touched on, I think. But you know, I like the Will
41:15
Osprey versus Claudio match. Who wouldn't like that one? That one looks like
41:22
it's gonna be a barn burner. Yeah, that's that's the one I'm most
41:25
looking for too. I know it's a go home show, so it may
41:29
be more talk centric. We'll see, well he what I give? I
41:39
hope it really. I'm not one sold on getting the payer view yet myself.
41:44
I don't know what I'm gonna do. I may take your break andnot
41:45
get this one, but I'm we'll see how they sell it. So we've
41:52
got we've got five matches, we got five this, we got five where
41:57
you'll hear from going on in four match, So you know it's gonna be
42:04
the only one that really isn't gonna that nobody's really gonna care about. It's
42:07
gonna be the Jericho And Okay, I disagree. Just don't say that nobody's
42:22
gonna nobody gonna watch it. You just say I don't, I don't have
42:27
any interest in it. But that's not That's not how I was looking at
42:30
it because everybody, so it seems like everybody is so getting off on the
42:34
point that they're getting tired of Jericho that if I had to pick one thing
42:37
that's going to happen tomorrow, that's going to be the point where that's the
42:42
piss break. It would be that that discussion, because yeah, I mean
42:47
I personally, I personally like what Jericho is doing, so I don't really
42:52
have a problem with it, like I think. So, we just saw
42:54
there was news that Jericho trademarked the Jericho Vortex. Yeah, you get stuck
43:05
with Jericho, right, We've been living in the Jeracho fortext for the last
43:08
six months. He had name and eventually, yeah, you can't him or
43:15
hearing his music. I love it though, I'm sorry. H he's showing
43:20
that he's leaning into is that he's he's self aware, uh and maybe just
43:25
turned into an angle. I don't. I don't know where he becomes self
43:29
aware and realize how how dummy looks sometimes. I don't know, but I'm
43:32
sorry. I'm a lifelong fan of guy. He's been an injury forever and
43:37
he gets a lot of unwarranted eat on him that he really shouldn't. Yeah,
43:44
but he's a great guy and he's been day one and he could have
43:47
chose not to come here, but he he risked it and went with a
43:52
w mm hmmm. Yeah. And I think Jericho's a lot smarter than people
43:58
give them give him credit for. I think he knows that people are saying,
44:01
Oh, Jericho just is latching himself onto these young guys, and that's
44:07
That's kind of what I'm thinking. Is his whole plan here is like Hook
44:10
is a young guy, he's the youngest of guys, and now he's doing
44:15
this on purpose because everyone's been saying these things about him, and he's going
44:21
to kind of play with that. So I think I'm all of a sudden
44:24
more intrigued by this because I know Jericho is the smart guy, and I
44:30
think there's more to this, and I'm getting curious to see where this goes.
44:37
I think Jericho has a secret I read it Burnham account because he sees
44:45
Do you think he posts negative Jericho things or positive? Knowing him negative just
44:52
disturbed? Yes, well, I know. The last interview I saw him
44:59
do was a Chris Van Elite interview and they talked about you know, aw
45:05
and everything in his role, and that was what he said. You know,
45:07
he said, I'm I'm here because I want to make sure that these
45:13
guys get what I had didn't have necessarily. I want to make sure they're
45:16
getting the right thing, you know, and like and he and he's not
45:20
lying. I mean, everything that he said in that interview was true.
45:22
It was a lot of this had to do with the early success was because
45:27
it was Jericho. Everybody knew who Jericho was when they first started. You
45:32
know, nobody unless you were watching ROH or New Japan or you know that
45:37
stuff like that. Nobody knew who the Bucks were mostly okay, not in
45:42
anybody, but the like casual fans didn't know who the Bucks or Kenny Omega
45:45
were and people knew who Cody Roads were, but you know, he was
45:52
talking about that. I, like I said, I don't have an issue
45:54
with Jericho. I think what he does he needs to do and he's the
45:58
the the best one for it because he has the I mean, by and
46:02
large, he's the most experience in the company, been here forever. Yeah,
46:09
you know what I find kind of ironic. You know what I find
46:13
kind of ironic is that, you know, you look on the internet,
46:15
on Twitter, accent, on the subreddit and everything like that, and there's
46:20
so many people say that they're tired of Jericho and they want them to go
46:23
away, and so what do we do for the last ten minutes we talk
46:28
about for a Jericho. So that's my ironic part of the show. I
46:34
think the match, the best match I think there's going to be Morne is
46:37
going to be will offspring match Yes, well together, Yeah, yeah,
46:45
I mean that's a given. You know. As far as the segment that
46:49
I'm most looking forward to see, as far as physicality and danger and the
46:53
chance for injury is Mercedes Monette walking out to the ring and seeing that she
46:58
can make it all the way to drink with Paul without falling over her talk.
47:01
Wait a minute, she's not gonna have to go out away to the
47:04
ring. You know, this is going to be one of those interviews that
47:07
the Renee does at the entrance. Well that's smart, yeah, cup down
47:12
the risk of energy injury. Just have her stand right there, walk out
47:15
of tunnel and Renee's right there. Because that woman I have never in my
47:19
life seen one person stumble over her tongue as much as Mercedes Mondet does.
47:24
They told me that she wasn't much of a talker, and guess what they
47:29
were, right, I think, Yeah, it is weird to give someone
47:34
that's not not the best talker so much opportunity to talk. Maybe she'll get
47:39
better. I don't know. Well, and you know, coming from WWE,
47:44
everything's written for you. She didn't have that issue there because they wrote
47:50
it, she read it, that was it. But AB's a whole another
47:54
word, won't They hired a writer specifically for Mercedes Moneta, but yeah's personal
48:02
writer. So that's not an excuse. Okay, I thought she was doing
48:08
something else. I didn't know they had it for the writer and and and
48:12
that's kind of the problem. It's like it all does feel very written,
48:15
very memorized. It's not like off the cuff. Yeah, like she does
48:22
her sit down interviews, it feels like she's memorized things and she's not.
48:27
I think she's an awesome wrestler. I like she's probably my was my favorite
48:31
wrestler way back in the day when she started an n XT. But yeah,
48:36
she's not a great actress like Mariyah May is a great actress in Mercedes
48:43
No No, I'm Home. I'm hoping go ahead. I hope him can
48:52
step it up when she comes back to the ring, and hopefully she hasn't
48:54
lost too much. I saw this weird sweet that someone asked her when she's
48:59
going to be in her first match, and she was saying double or nothing,
49:02
so right, and you know I was, you know, part of
49:07
me wish if they would have waited to bring her back to where she could
49:10
pop into the ring quicker, because it feels kind of stale. It feels
49:15
kind of seeing punkish the way they're bringing her back and having her off a
49:20
whole lot and not have any action at all. So hopefully she starts at
49:24
least more than one kick and booms's out type of thanks he needs a little
49:30
more action than what he did in Yeah. A few podcasts ago, MK,
49:34
I said that I had never seen Mercedes Bonet wrestle live before. I
49:37
mean I have, you know, went back and watched a few of her
49:39
matches and now she's in AW and I aw and I've still not seen her
49:45
wressell live before. You know. It's just like, Okay, at what
49:47
point are we going to actually see Mercedes Bonnet in the ring in a wrestling
49:52
match? Yeah, I agree, and I agree with you. Maybe she's
49:55
not ready, but they could have waited to bring her back. I mean,
49:59
I just brought it Osprey. They just potted at Ocana. They didn't
50:01
need a third at that point. No, And I'm kind of wondering if
50:07
there is more to it than what we're being told. Although I mean,
50:14
like I said before, you know, and that's I think it was the
50:15
same podcast you're talking about. She's coming back from a serious injury. She
50:20
was told she's never gonna wrestle again at one point in time, So that
50:23
could be her psyche that's keeping her out of the ring. Yeah, I
50:30
mean, I I know that from I played basketball my entire life, and
50:35
I've broken an ankor twisted an ankle up so many times, and that's that.
50:38
One of the first thoughts you have when you start to come back from
50:42
that is is it gonna collapse on me again? Am I gonna have?
50:45
You know? And I don't know. I we'll see what happens. But
50:50
she does need an advocate. I wonder if Paul Hayman's available. Oh no,
50:57
smart oh oh yeah, yeah, he had to. He had to.
51:01
His people were all going. Now you know, he's still he's on
51:05
the Ring of Honor. He's still got Tony and Josh Woods. Okay,
51:09
his woman's his women's divisions. He needs some women. You can. I
51:15
argue with Stokely half the way everything from them. Just put Mercedes with Prince
51:22
Don on it could come down the ramp halfway and do a stupid dance off.
51:28
I don't know what is doing, and I don't know what the hell
51:30
Mercedes is doing either, because except he does a Russell God, I'm like,
51:37
yeah, I love, I love I think, yeah, I can
51:43
see it. He's more like the Alex, the wonder King they still have.
51:50
We don't talk about Alex like that, not that Alex Alex Alex.
51:55
I know it's kind of like you get that. Uh oh boy, so
52:04
you know we I mean there are some there are some interesting matches here.
52:07
I mean you've got the Elite against you know, pack and and uh Penta
52:15
and Daniel Garcia. It looks like Julia Hert's good to go at her match
52:19
against that cale. I love that. Tony Giovanni said, we're having the
52:22
TBS champion against the TNT Championship champion on Dynamite. We've never had that before.
52:30
How about that. I'm like he realized that they're not going to fight
52:34
each other, right, yeah, I mean like Copeland would kill Hart,
52:40
you know, just like and he's done. Yeah, yeah, I could
52:46
see some interaction. Well I'm glad you brought that up because you know,
52:53
I I even posted this on the subredd and I'm like, look, Copeland
52:58
wear a cup or something because she did. I have never seen a human
53:01
being get taken out. How many blow blows? Is that bad? Taken?
53:06
Since he's been at aw his balls have got to be ruptured by like
53:12
did he ever play when he was a kid, you know? Yeah?
53:16
Yeah, that whole feud was kind of based around each other and the balls.
53:22
Yeah, that whole feud was nuts. How did how did he win
53:30
the match against He took little spike and put it in the little bags,
53:34
you know. Just yeah, it's like, I mean, I have never
53:38
seen a more homophobic matches in the world than that. It was like,
53:44
it was like just nuts nuts, It didn't matter. You know. You
53:46
could add, you know, Chris and Cage's daughter come out and she would
53:50
have given Adam Copeland a nutshot. It was just it was nutshot after nutshot.
53:54
I'm like, after you know, after the thirtieth or fortieth nut shot.
53:59
I'm not ragging, but I wouldn't fall for it the thirty first time.
54:04
Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking second third, I'm done. Yeah.
54:09
As soon as I saw somebody pick out, especially since he didn't get a
54:15
lot of the nutshots he got wasn't with a hand or a foot. It
54:19
was with a hockey stick, you know this that or the room or you
54:22
know whatever. He just as soon as I saw somebody holding something that they
54:27
shouldn't be holding to me like I've just been covered up, I get in
54:29
a fetal position, tuck my thumb and say you're not going to get these
54:34
things this time. Yeah, the jewels are protected. I don't know so
54:43
Adam Copeland, if anybody in Adam Copeland's camp is listening to this podcast,
54:49
if they take nothing else away from it, protect the nutsack Yeah, especially
54:54
tomorrow night. Yes, j is going to go right at the same time.
55:01
Yeah, going to miss him. Yeah, Julia Hard is going to
55:07
at least attempt to kick Adam Copland in the nuts. There's no way around
55:15
it. Yeah. And then we got Ran May and Dianna Prozzo too.
55:20
I mean, no nuts. I think I think. I think a nuts
55:27
going to show up in that one. You think so, I think so.
55:30
I can't see Tony not being there, Okay, Yeah, I feel
55:37
like I don't know has what was there a nutshot in a Deanna Parozzo match
55:44
recently? I feel like I vaguely remember that, but maybe I misremembering.
55:49
Anyways, I don't know. I don't think. Yeah, this match is
55:52
interesting because, yeah, thunder Rosa seems to be with Deanna Parozzo. Tony
56:01
Storm will probably be on commentary Mina. Sure Kawa could come out afterwards or
56:07
some other stardum wrestler. Yeah, I can see a Zoomi coming out or
56:14
helping and stuff, and that may be something. Yeah, even more down
56:19
the line as well as Zoomy helping her. I don't know how long she's
56:23
staying over or anything, so m hmm. They may they may be back
56:28
in Japan by now anyway, but I'll be back. Yeah. Yeah.
56:34
How impressed were you with the Zumi though? I mean I loved it.
56:37
I watched it. I mean, she's twenty one years old and she's able
56:43
to do that. But keep in mind, she was also a Windness City
56:45
riot. She fought for the WGP Strong Women's Championship Saturday night, then came
56:52
and fought for the a W Women's World champion Chip on Saturday night. Friday
56:57
night she did for the IWP. Yeah, she's a busy week. Yeah.
57:01
People were calling that match with stephik Cure at Windy City like they were
57:07
saying, that's the match of the night from then. So she's really making
57:12
a name for herself. It was really good. Yeah, So I didn't
57:16
see it, but I do want to see it because I'm just impressed,
57:21
you know, But again, I just I really want to see NAT's a
57:25
ploy at aw I think she would go over. I don't think she would.
57:30
She's she I don't know what she who's she reminds me of But I
57:36
actually I actually usually don't watch Collision, but I went on my Fight TV
57:39
and I went on Collisions just to see that match. And it was a
57:43
good match, good back and forth match, and Tony Storm uh put her
57:50
over pretty well. So I think she could be used definitely in the in
57:53
the future. Yeah, for sure. Okay, then, well, I'm
58:01
gonna wrap this up for tonight because tomorrow night on All We Talk, we're
58:06
going to do a full preview of of Dynasty. I'm hoping that they that
58:13
they announced maybe a couple more matches, you know, for Dynasty, including
58:16
Zero Hour tomorrow night. I don't think they have any Zero hour matches yet,
58:22
do they? No, they didn't announce that these zero hours matches until
58:25
real late on the last paper view either has the has the just has Orange
58:30
Casty and Britt had been added to that yet? I don't think so.
58:35
But that's a shoe I think that's a shoe in. Yeah, I think
58:38
that's Zero hour match. I would like to see that on the main card
58:43
because that's that's a really interesting match to me, wondering well making that the
58:52
main advent yeah Dark of the Yeah Show. Yeah, Yeah, I mean,
59:02
I mean, I'm interested to see what comes up out of this tomorrow
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because there's a lot of segments that canna have a lot of really good story
59:08
coming out. We got John Moxley Swerve coming out, we got some O
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Joe coming out. You know. It's there's gonna be a lot of talking
59:16
tomorrow night, a lot of story, and it looks like some pretty darn
59:21
decent matches, especially that t n T versus TBS championship match. That's gonna
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be awesome. Oh Julie, I'd like to see her with two belts I
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don't care, you know, and wrestling. I'm excited for that. It's
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fun. Yeah, I like to see the precursor to Dynasty with Ocada facing
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off against Pack for at least a little bit tomorrow night to see what happens.
59:47
You know. So it's gonna be a I'm interested in Kylo Riley versus
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Roddick Strong. I never figure I would be interested in erotic Shawn mat but
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you like A and I like the way those two are going at it.
1:00:04
And but we'll see who wins that one. But I like it seems like
1:00:08
every man to me, and I like the way he works and this would
1:00:14
be a good few for him coming back as well. Okay, well,
1:00:16
well you will definitely talk about that tomorrow night in our Dynasty preview because hopefully
1:00:22
there's even more story that's brought out about that Tomorrow night. I have a
1:00:27
feeling we'll be hearing some more from Roddy Strong and h and Kyle O'Reilly.
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If not tomorrow night, definitely on on Friday or Saturday. Yeah. I
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mean, it's just I just don't see why, how how they can get
1:00:43
by it, because it is an interesting story, despite the fact that who's
1:00:46
in it, you know, So you were gonna say something that m oh
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no, I was gonna say. I like Kyle O'Reilly and I don't like
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Roderick Strong, So I'm interested to see what's gonna happen there with that.
1:01:05
Yeah, and oh, if you all don't mind, I would like to
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maybe wish my my daughter a happy birthday. Oh what's her name? Her
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name is Eve? Well, happy birthday, Eve, everybody happy birthday at
1:01:22
the same time. Happy birthday Eve. Who did her? Who did you
1:01:29
name her after? She's just named Eve like she just is her. Her
1:01:35
sister also has three letters in her name, so it went well together.
1:01:40
So her sister's name is Bob. Yeah, her sister Bob. And even
1:01:52
she's she's she's young and she's come in too wrestling with the beginning of a
1:01:58
W and has quickly become a huge wrestling fan. So, well, how
1:02:05
old is Eve? She's twenty two. That is not young. That's younger
1:02:10
than most older than most of the wrestlers on the stardom roster. Eve,
1:02:20
even you know you made me think that he was like, you know,
1:02:25
eight seven or something like that. Say something you she's twenty two years old,
1:02:30
so she's like, ave you know your your mom named you after the
1:02:35
first woman. I mean she she went all the way back through all the
1:02:39
names in the history and settled on the first. Thank you guys, you
1:02:49
are awesome. Well, Eve is awesome because you've told me about even how
1:02:53
much he loves a W And if you love aw your a wsome it's better
1:03:01
when you write it down. When for my next joke, I'm going to
1:03:09
fark the ABC's there you go. Now that was be grunting, dude,
1:03:19
Nothing was happening. But anyway, we're going to wrap this up. I'm
1:03:22
looking forward tomorrow night because we're probably not going to talk about Dynasty, I
1:03:27
mean Dynamite too much unless it relates to Dynasty, because we do want to
1:03:31
do a preview of Dynasty, So be prepared for that. Get your thoughts
1:03:36
together for what you think is going to happen at Dynasty. Uh for myself,
1:03:42
calson a Ka. That's a Poi fan, Bye boy. I guess
1:03:52
said goodbye in a different language. That this is Alex saying goodbye as well,
1:04:00
Bye boy. That's how. That's why when that's a boy says goodbye.
1:04:03
Anytime she's doing a promo, when she just doesn't leave, she always
1:04:08
has to say by Poi, which makes no sense, And all the other
1:04:11
wrestlers just kind of look at her with this dumb stricken look on her face,
1:04:15
like what the hell is we're looking at her, We're looking at her
1:04:17
microphone. Yeah yeah, so yeah, So so that's it for tonight,
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Bye boy, and uh, we'll see you guys tomorrow. Night night