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Teen Murder of Cassie Jo Stoddart · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We found our victim, and as sad as it may be,
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  Speaker 1: she's our friend. But you know what, we often make sacrifices.
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  Speaker 1: She's going to be alone in a big, dark house
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  Speaker 1: out in the middle of nowhere. How perfect can you get?
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  Speaker 1: The second attacker responded with, I'm horny just thinking about it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll scare the shit out of them and kill them
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  Speaker 1: one by fucking one. Why one by one? Why can't
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  Speaker 1: it be a slaughterhouse two by two and three by
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  Speaker 1: three because we've got to keep it glassy. This is
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  Speaker 1: the tragic story of Cassie Joe Stardt's murder.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and this is Wicked and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Cemeterial listener question that much?
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  Speaker 1: How's it going?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Three, Welcome back, Welcome back, Well.
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  Speaker 1: And it's now twenty and it's now twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty three, New year. I don't have a little like
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  Speaker 2: kazoot Oh.
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  Speaker 1: That would have been super fun. We should have been prepared.
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  Speaker 2: We should have just imagine there's one. Imagine there's one.
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  Speaker 2: Was that accurate that? I don't know? How good was that?
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  Speaker 1: Was it good visual.
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  Speaker 2: Four to ten? I mean, I'll take it. I'll take it.
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  Speaker 1: How everyone's New Year? I hope it was super fun.
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  Speaker 2: Ours was pretty chill. We actually steered clear of social
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  Speaker 2: media quite a bit for the last few days. Yeah, relaxed,
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was nice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, chilled, watch movies, snow shoot.
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  Speaker 2: It was a good time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to enjoy this thing called winter a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more so. I've been snowshoeing a lot.
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  Speaker 2: We've had a pretty decent December, at least a last
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Well when was that cold snap? Was it not in December?
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  Speaker 2: Beginning of December? I think the last couple of weeks
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  Speaker 2: was good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, yeah, it looks pretty outside because we kind
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  Speaker 1: of get a little bit of fresh snow, like small
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  Speaker 1: dump like not a dump, but small sprinkles.
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  Speaker 2: I mean we probably had like, I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: a foot and a half of snow right now in total.
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  Speaker 2: So January is usually are heavy snow.
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  Speaker 1: Month, but it was it just snowing like a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of time. So it makes everything look kind of pretty.
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  Speaker 2: It looks fucking gorgeous, is what you're trying to say.
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  Speaker 1: And it's warm out pretty warm relatively speaking. I know
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  Speaker 1: some people were like, that's not one, like.
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  Speaker 2: Minus eight celsius.
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  Speaker 1: So I go outside in that and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't need a cope.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was out there and a teacher today, so
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  Speaker 2: it was good. Hopefully you guys had a good New
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  Speaker 1: Yeah it was, and then really well and a lot
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  Speaker 1: We released that last year.
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  Speaker 2: the episode.
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  Speaker 1: That was bad, that was good that I approve of
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  Speaker 1: that message you approve of course. Okay, So I'm jumping
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  Speaker 1: back to that little lah transcript I read at the
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  Speaker 1: beginning there gotcha, gotcha of basically two complete dumb asses.
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  Speaker 1: If you didn't gather that douche canoes discussing how they
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  Speaker 1: found their victim. And I don't know if you're anything
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  Speaker 1: like me, it pretty much like made me sick, like
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  Speaker 1: a feeling of just like nausea. So their way, it
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  Speaker 1: didn't make you feel warm and fuzzy.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: And the brutal truth is that was a real transcript,
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  Speaker 1: a real conversation between friends who were sixteen years old.
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  Speaker 2: I was about to say it sounds like some idiotic adolescents,
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  Speaker 2: children who just don't quite grasp what they're even talking about.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I mean, yeah, so that's grade eleven
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  Speaker 1: and they were psyching themselves up to kill their first victim. Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's almost enough, Like should we even carry on?
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  Speaker 2: I want to slap these children basically, oh, snack some
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  Speaker 2: sense into them. Yeah, not that I promote child abuse,
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  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong there, but smack on the head, like,
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  Speaker 2: don't kill people. I'm pretty sure that might be.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they need some sort of lesson here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So in September of two thousand and six, Cassie Joe Startart,
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  Speaker 1: a classmate of the two I already mentioned, was a
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  Speaker 1: sixteen year old girl living in Bannett County, Idaho. Though
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  Speaker 1: her parents were still in the picture, Cassie was living
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  Speaker 1: with her grandparents. She was a sweet girl who had
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  Speaker 1: loads of friends. She took school very seriously and had
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  Speaker 1: amazing grades to show of it. Like I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: she was straight A student, which is amazing, because that's
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  Speaker 1: not easy.
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  Speaker 2: No, I've tried, and I was not successful at that.
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  Speaker 1: I know I was not either.
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  Speaker 2: I was mid tier. I was like C minuses and
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  Speaker 2: then in gym I got like an A in that
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  Speaker 2: because I was athletic. But that's it. Not athletic.
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  Speaker 1: Now, usually I was like a's or b's. But then
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  Speaker 1: I would get math. Usually I was like a sea
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  Speaker 1: of sorts. Math is hard. So she also stayed out
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  Speaker 1: of trouble. She was a responsible girl and described as
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  Speaker 1: being destined for greatness, like I was at sixteen year old,
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  Speaker 1: I was described as that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone has ever described me as that, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: not even sixteen to thirty four. Where I'm at now, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, someone needs to describe been being destined for greatness.
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  Speaker 1: So she was in the process of saving up to
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  Speaker 1: buy herself a car. I literally remember that age like
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  Speaker 1: that's I don't know. I can remember that feeling of like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Going to a good a car.
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  Speaker 1: She usually made money by babysitting for her aunt and uncle,
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  Speaker 1: but her aunt and uncle had an upcoming trip that
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  Speaker 1: would take them out of town for a few days,
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  Speaker 1: and they asked Cassie if she would house it for
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  Speaker 1: them while they were away. This was an opportunity she
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  Speaker 1: couldn't pass up. It wasn't going to be a long trip,
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  Speaker 1: and there wasn't a lot of work involved. She basically
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  Speaker 1: had to, you know, water the plants, feed the pets,
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  Speaker 1: and then she could pretty much do whatever she wanted
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of the time that she was there, gotcha,
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  Speaker 1: Regardless of the man of work involved, it was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of responsibility for a sixteen year old, and some
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  Speaker 1: sixteen year olds given this kind of opportunity may abuse
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  Speaker 1: it and say.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a party, throw a party.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he wasn't like that. She actually just
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  Speaker 1: planned to have a movie night by herself. So she's
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  Speaker 1: my kind of girl.
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  Speaker 2: She's altay more grown up than I am.
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  Speaker 1: But the house was big and a little bit out
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  Speaker 1: of town with few neighbors close by, and Cassie got
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  Speaker 1: a bit spooped. She figured she could have her boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: over to watch movies with her, and just to show
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  Speaker 1: exactly how responsible she was. Instead of just inviting him over,
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  Speaker 1: she actually went about asking her aunt for permission. That's good,
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  Speaker 1: like super respectful.
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  Speaker 2: That is I mean, honestly, that's what she should do.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely the fact she did perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like she's I think that she's just an amazing
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  Speaker 1: sixteen year old. Her aunt said that that would be fine,
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  Speaker 1: and Cassie's boyfriend, Matt Beckham, made his way over. When
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  Speaker 1: he arrived, he maybe didn't exactly get what Cassie had
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  Speaker 1: been naming for because he brought two of his friends
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  Speaker 1: with him. Oh really, So I'm not certain if like
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  Speaker 1: he arrived with them or they came later or what.
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  Speaker 1: But two friends, Ryan Draper and Tory Adamchick. So Cassie
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  Speaker 1: also knew these boys, right, being that they were all
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  Speaker 1: in the same grade and the same.
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  Speaker 2: School friends circle. Probably even I mean, they're dating, so
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  Speaker 2: she's probably hanging out with his friends and vice versa
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  Speaker 2: a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't think like it was. They were
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  Speaker 1: more Matt's friends, and there is rumors that one or
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  Speaker 1: both of them had like a crush on Cassie, gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if she felt like super comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with them. Maybe she didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know even still though, I just do want
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  Speaker 2: to like point this out. If your girlfriend at the
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  Speaker 2: age of sixteen is house sitting for someone, she's home alone,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like, hey, you want to come over. You
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  Speaker 2: don't bring your fucking friends? What the hell is wrong
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  Speaker 2: with him?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? That really have a weird move. Hey, unless they
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  Speaker 1: they somehow just weaseled their way in, which wouldn't totally
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  Speaker 1: surprise me with what's going to happen and with the
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  Speaker 1: face and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, his friends are just like, they're definitely not
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  Speaker 2: very good wing men.
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  Speaker 1: Then yeah, they should have just been let him be.
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  Speaker 1: But they had expectations that Cassie was throwing a party.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if Matt necessarily did, but the
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  Speaker 1: two friends did.
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  Speaker 2: Huh. Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Cassie was a bit upset about this, rightfully, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she only invited Matt over and hadn't been expecting Brian
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  Speaker 1: and Tory to show up with him, and was definitely
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  Speaker 1: not throwing a party. But she was holding her ground
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  Speaker 1: and sticking to her plan and went about putting on
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  Speaker 1: a movie for them all to enjoy them on put
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  Speaker 1: a foot down. Eventually, Brian and Tory realized that Cassie
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  Speaker 1: was serious about this and there would be no party,
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  Speaker 1: so they decided to leave head back into town and
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  Speaker 1: catch a movie at the local theater instead. Okay, good, Yeah, Like,
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  Speaker 1: apparently the movie she was playing wasn't good enough for them.
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  Speaker 2: It was probably like The Notebook or something.
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  Speaker 1: I can't I feel like one report I actually read.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a scary movie. Oh but I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember. I'm pretty sure it was though.
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  Speaker 2: You had me at scary movie.
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  Speaker 1: So Cassie and Matt didn't think much about this. They
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  Speaker 1: said their goodbyes, and then the two of them continued
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  Speaker 1: back to the couch to watch their movie. But not
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: too long later, the power would go out, which I
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  Speaker 1: don't think is completely abnormal, especially when you're living out
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  Speaker 1: of town, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's how every horror movie starts. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 2: in a house on the outskirts of town. There's not
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  Speaker 2: really many neighbors around your house, sitting it's not even
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  Speaker 2: your home. Your boyfriend's there with you on the couch.
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  Speaker 2: The lights are low, the evening is getting dim. The
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  Speaker 2: power goes out. Yeah, you don't know your way around.
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  Speaker 2: What happens next?
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  Speaker 1: You're in an unfamiliar home. Yeah, you pretty much just
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  Speaker 1: nailed it there.
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  Speaker 2: That's a horror movie right there, and I.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like, look up my next line. But of course,
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  Speaker 1: not being home and in a relatively large house on
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  Speaker 1: your own, that would be a scary situation. Cassie of
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  Speaker 1: course got scared and kept turning to me asking him
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  Speaker 1: what they should do. But with Matt only being sixteen
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  Speaker 1: himself and even in an even more unfamiliar home, didn't
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  Speaker 1: really know what to do either, so he just did
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  Speaker 1: his best and tried to calm Cassie down. He told
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  Speaker 1: her that it was just a power outage and everything
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  Speaker 1: would be fine. They just had to kind of wait
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  Speaker 1: it out until the power came back on and not
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  Speaker 1: to worry about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: And he ended up being right because at some point
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  Speaker 1: some of the power, not all of the power, but
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  Speaker 1: some of the power did come back on, and this
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  Speaker 1: let Cassie kind of calm down for a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the power came back.
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  Speaker 1: On, apparently not all of it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, if some of the power came back on, but
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  Speaker 2: not all, and that's a problem at your house.
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  Speaker 1: That's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: That's a problem at the house. That's not a problem
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  Speaker 2: with a power source.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep. But something else that was making them
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  Speaker 1: a little uneasy was what was going on with one
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  Speaker 1: of the dogs. So the dog kept going up to
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  Speaker 1: the door of the basement and sometimes it would just
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  Speaker 1: stare at the door, almost like it was listening to
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  Speaker 1: something on the other side, and at other times it
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  Speaker 1: would bark or make a noise. Both Cassie and Matt
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  Speaker 1: thought this was really strange, but they also thought that
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  Speaker 1: they were just maybe being a bit paranoid because of
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  Speaker 1: the recent power outage and then being an unfamiliar home,
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  Speaker 1: and Matt had just put them on edge.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know the exact direction this is fucking going,
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  Speaker 2: but Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: By this point, it was getting a bit late and
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  Speaker 1: Matt would have to be heading home soon, but the
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  Speaker 1: thought of Lee being Cassie alone had him call his
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  Speaker 1: mom to see if he could spend the night with her.
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  Speaker 1: His mom unfortunately said no, but not really any judgment there,
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  Speaker 1: Like they were only sixteen, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can totally understand that.
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  Speaker 1: I think she was just being a good mom and
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: wasn't about to let two teenagers spend the night together unsupervised,
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  Speaker 1: so she went to go and pick up her son.
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  Speaker 1: When she arrived, Cassie was still pretty freaked out, and
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  Speaker 1: Matt once again tried to convince his mom to let
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  Speaker 1: him stay the night, but she again said no. She did, however,
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  Speaker 1: seem to realize that this wasn't just two teenagers trying
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  Speaker 1: to get away with something and that Cassie was like
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  Speaker 1: genuinely scared, so she kindly offered for Cassie to come
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  Speaker 1: stay the night at their house and they'd give her
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  Speaker 1: a ride back in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, That's what I was hoping was going to happen,
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  Speaker 2: that she would offer that, because like, you can't just
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  Speaker 2: like let this fucking teene be scared in this unfamiliar
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  Speaker 2: house alone like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So her offering that, like, she seems like a
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  Speaker 1: good person, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have a feeling the offer was declined.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so yeah, So basically the mom was making
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  Speaker 1: sure that she wasn't gonna be left alone, but that
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  Speaker 1: they would still be in a supervis situation. So this
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  Speaker 1: was a good compromise. But Cassie did turn the offer down.
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  Speaker 1: She said that her aunt and uncle were paying her
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: to watch the house and take care of the animals,
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  Speaker 1: so that was what she had to do, and if
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: she had to stay in a house that was scaring
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  Speaker 1: her to do that, that was what she was going
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 2: I get it. But also, safety's kind of priority, right,
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  Speaker 2: I know. But you also don't ever think that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna stay in this house and get murdered tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you don't.
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  Speaker 4: You don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think her head would have gone that way. No,
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  Speaker 1: So Matt and his mother said goodbye, to Cassie. Matt
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: ended up calling Brian and Tory to see what they
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: ended up getting up to, but couldn't make out what
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Tory was saying as he was whispering on the other
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  Speaker 1: end of the phone. He just assumed they really had
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: gone to the movies, and Tory was trying not to
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  Speaker 1: get caught on the phone like in the movie theater, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So he hung up and let the night be. Cassie
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  Speaker 1: in the meantime, was sticking to her plan. She went
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: back to the coach, put another movie on him, probably
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: trying not to think too hard about everything that had
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: happened so far that evening.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: God, this is killing me.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: But once again the power went out.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Fucking course it did. Those jackasses are in the fucking basement.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: So honestly, even at my age and her situation, I
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: would be fucking scared.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would be shitting myself. Yeah, guaranteed.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I mean this time she didn't have Matt there to
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: calm her down. But being that Cassie didn't really know
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: what to do or even what she should do when
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: something like this happened, she stayed put on the coach
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: and again intended to just wait it out it came
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: on before, so why wouldn't come back on again? Right? Yeah,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: But I find that part interesting because I feel like
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: if no matter how scared I was, I think I
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: would still go check it out. Because the other thing
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: that I haven't said yet is there was noises too
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: coming from the basement.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Oh there was, you would go check that shit out.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I would either go check it out or I would leave, Like,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think I would just like hunker down on
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the couch and stay there like I would do one
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: or the other. I don't think I could just like
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I would be I would have to do something like
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I couldn't just stay there, like I'd be freaking out.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: See, I would be like trying to get a hold
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: of neighbors, contacting neighbors, asking them about.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Their power, but she might not have had their numbers.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Go for a walk.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I think I would probably take myself out of the house.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Or I would call like my parents or something and
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: be like I need someone here with me.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: One way or another. I would be finding out about
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the power in the surrounding.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Neighborhood, especially with how the dog was acting, because that that,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: to me, would scare the shit out of mere percent.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: You gotta trust the fucking dogs. Maybe always, always trust
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the dogs.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe she hadn't had experience like with dogs.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't really know how to read their behavior.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: That's kind of what I was thinking.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: That's true. I don't know. I think priority you need
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: to figure out if the power situation right yea. The
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: best way is to check the neighborhood that you're in
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: because if your powers out, their power should be out.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So if you if their power's not out, you can
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: identify that it's problem at the home.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because I'm just gonna say this little tidbit there
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: later on in the crime scene because I don't have
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: it in here, but there was broken ass trays found downstairs.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: So those were some of the sounds that were being made, gotcha.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: So I think when I heard something like that, I'd
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: be the fuck out of there, like they're like they're
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: just gone. I would probably go to sleep under a
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: tree at that point outside peace out. So it's too
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: bad Cassie didn't leave the situation because she had no
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: idea how much danger she actually was in. God, when
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: cassis aunt and uncle came back home, a couple days later,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: so they left on the Friday. They came back on
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the Sunday. Their thirteen year old daughter headed into the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: house first. She was probably excited to be greeted by
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Cassie or their pets, but instead she was greeted by
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: something so horrific and unexpected. She found her cousin lying
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: in a pool of her own blood on the living
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: room floor. Her scream caused her parents to rush into
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the house to see what was wrong, and again they
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: were stopped in their tracks, their sweet cousin and niece
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the target of some sort of attack that didn't make
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: any sense at all. They managed to keep it together
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: long enough to call the police, and when the investigators arrived,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it was obvious that Cassie did not die of natural
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: causes and was left in the state for a couple
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: of days.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Jeez, these pieces of shit. I guarantee you it's those
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: fucking two that went to the movies. Guarantee, there's no
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: question about it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Really, and not Matt.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: And not Matt Garon fucking Really Yes, Okay, Matt's mom
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: came picked him up. He was at home. He has
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: an alibi. His mummy was there.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, So Cassie she'd been stabbed thirty times Jesus,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: with twelve of those wounds being potentially fake. Whoa, yeah,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that is.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: A significantly high number for fatal stab Wow.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Cassie had stood no chance of getting out of her
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: situation alive unless she had decided to leave the house.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: No one could figure out why someone would want to
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: do something this horrible to someone as nice as Cassie,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: but the investigators were determined to find out. The home
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: showed no sign of fourth century, there was nothing valuable
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: missing from the property, and the knives Cassie had been
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: stabbed with did not appear to be from the house itself.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Oh no, really, this suggested to the investigations, Yeah, that
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: she'd been killed by someone who'd been planning to kill her,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and they more than likely knew who Cassie was before
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they targeted her. This sent the investigators back to the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: person who last saw Cassie alive, and that was, of course,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend Matt. It's always like this significant other first, right,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it always.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean they are usually suspecting one right out
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of the gate.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Only because I think they're the posts to the situation.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, and rightfully so I mean, of course they're
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: gonna be asked. They should know, even if they don't
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: or aren't involved, they should know something.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So they brought him in for questioning and broke
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the news to him that his girlfriend had been murdered,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and Matt apparently just went blank. He didn't seem to
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: react at all, and he didn't show any emotion. He
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: just shut down. And this kind of made the investigators
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: want to put more pressure on him shock, but I
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: think it was kind of more of a shock thing,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and probably in his mind he's like, oh my gosh,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: like if I just had forced Cassie to come to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: my house, right, Yeah. So they were looking for a confession,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: but what they got was a description of that evening
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: right up until the point where Matt's mom came and
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: picked him up, and that was that. Matt didn't say
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: anything else, only really that he'd been hanging with Brian
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and Tory for the rest of the weekend, and then
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: he tried to reach Cassie many times or their weekend,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: but she hadn't answered any of his phone calls. The
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: investigators didn't really believe him, but he gave them two
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: more leads to chase up, so they brought in Brian
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and Tory. Brian and Tory told almost the exact same story,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: except there's ended with them leaving early and going to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the movies, and they even had the tickets to prove
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: that they'd gone and watch a film.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can buy a ticket, then fucking leave.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they said they'd gone to the movie holes. Do
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you know what it's like a Disney movie? Oh, I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: feel like I've seen it a long time ago. I
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: think it's older.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: It sounds like an it would.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Be older if it was yeah, in the theaters at
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: this time.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like an adult film. Oh wow, it does.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: It really does.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And the tickets through the investigators for a moment, but
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: then they asked Brian to tell them a bit more
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: about the movie, and he simply couldn't. He said he
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: first said that it was a scary movie, but it
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: was really bad and boring, so he couldn't remember anything
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: about it. This didn't sit right with the investigators, but
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: they had three suspects on their hands, and Matt was
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the only one really to them at the time that
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: was acting strangely, so they let Brian and Tory go
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and brought Matt back in for a polygraph test, thinking
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: that that would catch him in a lie and they
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: could use it to get him to confess that he
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: murdered his girlfriend. Yeah, but Matt might do it. Much
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to their amazement, he passed that test with flying.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Color, totally surprised.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Here, my god, you're just like you have it all.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: You just know exactly what happened.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Eh.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, Oh my goodness, what I needed a sip
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of tea there. Okay, So they moved back to Brian
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and Tory, and by this point Brian changed his tune
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and he had a bit more to say.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Oh did he now?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: He confessed? Oh, he confessed not to killing Cat, but
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: to wanting to play a prank on her and Matt.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: He said that he and Tory had brought some knives,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: some black clothes, and mask masks based on the movie
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Scream with them scream, Yes, that kind of fast. I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: haven't watched any of those.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know they've never seen any of a Scream movie.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I should probably not mid on your what I know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Let's watch them? Are they all good or some like
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: of them? Shitty? I looked them up. There's a lot
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: of them there is.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of them are. There's some that
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: are better than others. Let's put it that way.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, So they just brought the shit, he said, to
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: just scare them. To scare the pair, the plan was
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: to unlock the back door while they were still in
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the house, pretend to leave and go to the movies,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: dress up in their costumes, grab the knives, and then
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: sneak back into the house to pull a prank on them.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Then Brian and Torrey found out that the fuse box
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: was in the basement, so they were the ones that
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: had turned the power out that night, trying to scare
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Cassie and Matt. But it was only after they heard
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Matt leave that they decided to take it up a notch.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: They killed the lights again, and then they snuck upstairs
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and slammed a closet door, thinking that this would make
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Cassie come and investigate around the house, right, but she
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: stayed put like that's fucking terrifying. I have no idea
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: how she did not run out of the house screaming, oh.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if a power goes out in the door slams
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: No kidding. Now, that's if he's telling the truth in
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: this situation.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: That's if and I mean they're the only they're the
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: only ones that are gonna know.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: So then Brian went one step further or sorry, then
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Tory went one step further and began stabbing Cassie. Brian
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: said he never meant to harm Cassie and had only
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: thought that all of this was just a prank, but
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: that all change when Tory started attacking and actually killed Cassie.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Jesus, that escalated fucking quickly.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: He said all of this had been an accident, an accident,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: which is that's fucked Hoell the fuck is that an accident?
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Stabbing someone thirty times is an accident? No shit, twelve
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: of them being fatal.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: And then even if Devil's advocate here, even if everything
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: he says is true, he was just playing a prank
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and it was the other individual, Tory, that went too
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: far with it. Yeah, okay, say that's the situation. Now
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: what you don't do anything? Yeah, you leave her there
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: because he don't report him.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: He was also hanging out with the boyfriend the whole weekend. Yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: who was trying to contact Cassie.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what kind of fucking individual are you? Then
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you just let this happen.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And something I'd even read is apparently like because they
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: don't think Matt like had a car, or he didn't
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: drive or something he had asked them to like drive
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: him to check on Cassie. Yeah, they wouldn't. Well, of
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: course it was so like it's it makes me like
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: literally sick of my stomach.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I don't believe his story whatsoever. But even if I
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: were to believe it, he's still a piece of shit.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, these guys, they're just like idiots. Yeah, like literally
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: they should be in the freakin Dictionary under the definition.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: It's just a picture of them.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Like it's disgusting.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Actually, I'm honestly really curious on where we get this
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: transcript from their conversation from. So I'm looking forward to
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: you telling us about that.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Okay. So then he offered to the investigators to take
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: them where they'd stash the murder weapon to prove that
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: he was telling the truth. He did lead them to
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: where they buried their stash of masks and knives, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: even the clothes they had been wearing that night, but
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: he also led them straight to something that blew the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: case wide open. The investigators found a tape buried with
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the rest of the teenager's equipment, and when they played it,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: they realized that the story Brian had just told them
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: had all been a lot Wait.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait, This wasn't like a conversation they
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: pulled from like cell phone records from a fucking tower
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: or something. They literally just recorded themselves.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were I can't remember which one one
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of them was into like filmmaking, and so they have
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: oodles of like their filming. And I think that the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: boys had tried to light the shit on fire, but
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: like they must have did the world's shittiest job because
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: they were still able to like get the shit off
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the tape.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the two of them had filmed themselves Okay, Yeah,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: had filmed themselves in the days leading up to the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: attack talking about their plans to murder Cassie. They even
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: filmed themselves when they'd snuck out of class and went
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: to write a list of all the people they planned
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: on killing afterwards, including Matt, who'd been one of their
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: closest friends. Brian compared them to be murders like Ted Bundy,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the Hillside Strangler, Zodiac Killer, but Torri said those killers
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: were amateurs compared to what they were going to be
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and compared themselves to Ed Gain.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, okay, there's a whole lot to unpack in
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: that there.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Oh and we're going to be getting into more here,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: like like you're going to really see these people's treat
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: true colors. It's disturbing.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I do just want to point out though, on the
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: one fact, on popularizing individuals like Ted Bundy, for example,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: you have people who actually idolize these individuals and it's sickening,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: absolutely like they.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Think that they're pretty much a celebrity.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which points to the Japanese guy, the Isaiah Sagawa,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Japanese celebrity murdered cannibal. Dude.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It's no different people idolizing people who literally kill. It's gross.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: And you know, I wasn't gonna throw this in here.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Am I going to be able to find this now?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: But I should say it. Brian, I think it was Brian.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: He was actually enthralled with one of the high school
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: shootings that had happened Columbine. Yeah wow, and he literally
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: like admired those two wowers and apparently shit, he was
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: plotting a similar attack to for his own school.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: What a piece of fucking shit.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Like these people, they're disgusting, Like it almost makes me
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: like my blood feels like it's like boiling right now
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: because it's that they're that bad, they're that brutal, and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: at sixteen years old. It's the fact that you can
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: be that evil at that age blows my mind.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: It is holy shit.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, we have a little bit more to get through here.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: You're going to be able to do it before we do.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I just want to say one more thing. I'm going
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: to get off the topic of how much a piece
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: of shit these two are.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think you'll ever get off, No, I'm.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Not, but I'm going to try and talk about another
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: little aspect here. They're saying that those guys were amateurs
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: compared to what they're going to do. Right, yet they
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: recorded their entire your conversations. Yeah, are you what? Do
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: they not know what evidence is?
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Like, are you fucking joking me?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know. They have these high hopes of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: what they would be, but they're just too they're stupid
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: as fuck.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: There's there's a lot of cases we cover where I
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: try and play devil's advocate and I try and get
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: in their mind what they're thinking about, and I'm like, okay,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: like imagine this and put yourself in these shoes. I
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: can see how something like that could unfold. Not that
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: it's right, but it could happen, right.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Especially if you're kind of like you're with some you
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: find someone maybe with similar intress, and you're kind of
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: like feeding each other's fuel.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, or maybe you're suffering from maybe it's a
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: mental illness or something like that. However, these guys, I
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: no way do I even want to think about putting
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: myself in their shoes. They are garbage yeh, fucking people,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: oh fuck.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: From nothing that I even read, like, it doesn't sound
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: like any of them even have really any trauma in
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: their back background either, Like they seem like they're like
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: even in their investigator or their interrogation and stuff, like
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: their parents are in their room and stuff that's pretty
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: supportive parents.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just pure evil for the sake of entertainment. Yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: and apparently, by the sounds of it, potential fame.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that they did want to be famous from this
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: for sure. So on September twenty first, two thousand and six,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: this is the day before Cassie's murder. The conversation between
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the boys went as follows. Brian, hopefully this will go
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: smoothly and we can get our first kill done and
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: then keep going toy for you serial killers watching this tape.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: They both laugh. Tory says, I don't know what to say.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Brian goes, it's like he stutters, Tory, good luck with that.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Brian says, good luck. Tory said, hopefully you don't have
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like eight or nine failures like we have. Brian goes, Yeah,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: we probably tried maybe ten times, but they've never been
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: home alone, so Tori goes, or when they have, their
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: parents end up showing up. Brian says, as long as
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you're patient, you know. And we were patient, and now
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: we're getting paid off because our victim's home alone. So
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: we got her, our plan all worked out. Now I'm sorry.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry Cassie's family, but she has to be the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: one we have to stick with this plan, and she's perfect,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: so she's gonna die.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Holy fuck.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: M H.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I hope these guys rot yeah or like either wow, okay, wow.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: So the next clip is just before the murder, and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually play the audio for this one, so
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you ready all.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Right, let's hear it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: We're here in his car. The time is nine fifty
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: September twenty second, two thousand and six. Unfortunately, we have
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: the grueling task of killing our two friends.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: And they are right in a house just down the street.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: We just talked to them. We were there for an hour.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: We checked out the whole house.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: We know there's lots of doors, there's lots of places
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: to hide.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I locked the back doors. That's all a lot.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Now we just gotta wait, and we're.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Really nervous right now. You know, we're ready. We're listening
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: to the Grain as Rock. We wait for this for
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: a long time, Floyd, before we commit the ultimate crime
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: of murder. We wait for this for a long time,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: a long time. We'll stay tuned.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Fuck them, I know, it's quite disturbing.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Hey, there's so much a lot about it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're excited and like nervous and shiit, but
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: like they really it's almost like they do kind of
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: realize it's wrong, but it's like it's amp and them.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: They got to do this, like this is what they're
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: meant to do.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: They don't sound nervous to me, No, they sound just excited.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Like they do sound like they're not taking it seriously.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I almost wonder if they're they fully realize what the
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: fuck like they're about to do.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think they do, because like they sound excited,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: but they don't sound like adrenaline excited, like you think
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that someone like that would be. There's no I don't
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: hear a rush in their voice. I just hear like, Oh,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get my favorite pizza tonight excited. You know.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like they fully realize the extent of
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: what their consequences are going to be.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: So wow.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I should say like they initially did feel
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: there's other tapes and stuff, So at one point I
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: think they thought this was going to be kind of
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: like a party. So they're going to be killing like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Cassie and all her friends, and then Matt was just there,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: so they're also going to be killing Matt. Yeah, and
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: then kind of when they were already in the basement,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: like Matt leaves right, so then he's not a victim.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: So now the next audio clip, I think this is
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the last one we have. This is right after the murder.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: I just killed Cassie. We just left her house. This
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: is not a fucking joke. I stabbed her and I
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: saw her life was body just disappeared. Dude killed cassieh
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: fuck that felt like will I mean I so bad?
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Fuck up? We gotta get our app shaped Okay.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Wow yeah see there you can hear that adrenaline pumping.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but mostly only in Brian, who's the one that
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: says it's true, that's true. That one's kind of like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: we got like, fuck, shut up, we gotta get our
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: ship together. Yeah, because there was a little bit more
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: after that, but it was like kind of not really audible.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: So Brian had said that it's okay, okay, we just
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: have to go buy movie tickets now, like this that's
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: going to solve all this, and then they were like bye,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and that's the end of that.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Hotly fuck.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: So the police arrested them both and Brian changed his
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: story again.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Oh again.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: This time he admitted, admitted that he had actually stabbed Cassie,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: but he'd only done it because Tory had forced him to.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: But again the camera said otherwise. It was actually Brian
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: seen in the footage after the killing bragging about how
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: he'd just killed Cassie, not Tory. In fact, Tory never
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: once said anything about what he'd done to Cassie, not
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: even using the word we to suggest that he'd done
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: any of the stabbing himself in any of the videos.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: So this was enough for Tory's defense to claim that
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: he'd actually played no part in it, only that he'd
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: been the one to have the cards flipped on him
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: when Brian had taken this from being a prank to
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: a murder. But the prosecution had that tape and both
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: of the boys and it looked excited and eager when
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: they talked about who they're going to kill and how
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: many people they wanted to do this to. Both of
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: them were found guilty of first sery murder and conspiracy
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to commit murder, landing them with life sentences without the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: possibility of parole. Good They both tried to appeal, but
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: their appeals were rejected and that seemed to be the
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: end of it. Their sentences weren't going to bring Cassie back,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: but the boys would at least spend the rest of
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: their lives behind bars until a ban of life sentences
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: for miners was placed on all convictions in Idaho. But thankfully,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: their sentences were again upheld. And so there's a lot
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: of things we're going to discuss. The first one, Should
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: teenagers who commit a crime be locked up for the
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: rest of their lives? Do they really know what they're
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: doing when they commit these crimes. Do they have a
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: higher chance of being rehabilitated and going on to live
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: normal lives later? What do you think of that?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I might not have everyone on the same wavelength, is
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: what I think for this, But I'm pretty sure that
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: when you kill someone intentionally, you take a life, that
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: life is never going to come back. Oh no, And like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: whether you're sixteen.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: She had a lot of potential with that life.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whether you're sixteen or sixty, that life is never
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: going to come back, and you intentionally took that life.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: So I think you should be treated as such, regardless
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: of your age when it comes to that.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing I think about with the
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: rehabilitation is that you're younger, so maybe have a bit
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: more time, Maybe you're a bit more influential to be rehabilitated.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: But in like extense, like this case, maybe they could
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: be rehabilitated, but their crime was so horrible that like
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: they did an adult crime, so they should probably serve
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: as an adult, right, Yeah, I don't now.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I do want to say one more thing though, I
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: want to backtrack just slightly with those tapes.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we're gonna we have some more stuff to
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: discuss here.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Tory never you said, he never said anything incriminating really
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: on himself, and those tapes did he He did?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: So this is this is something I wanted to discuss.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: So Tory, in a lot of incidences, comes across a
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: lot of people think that he's like the the controlling
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: one almost.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: That's what I was leaning towards.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: And that Brian's kind of the follower.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: But so there's another documentary that I watch. It's called
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: it's actually interesting. I'm gonna link it. It's Lost for Life,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: and it's a documentary about youth who are serving life
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: in prison and so Brian, So this is I think
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the documentary was like six years after the murder, and
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: so Brian has done a lot of work. He really
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: admits that he's guilty, like he seems like he shows remorse.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: But then I also wonder something he said in there
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: was that like you kind of almost have to be
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: this way if you want to like kind of ever
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: maybe get released. So I'm like, is he playing a game,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: but he did seem remorseful, whereas Tory toris in this
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: documentary with his parents and none of them admit that
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: he did this. Still really like his mom says that
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: he's a kind boy.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he is.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: And that he and the dad is like, yeah, you're innocent,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Like this must be hard for you, Like you're in prison,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: serving time and you're innocent. But like he's all in
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: all of these recordings and like planning these murders. The
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: only one that kind of makes Brian seem more guilty,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I guess is that final taper is like I just
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: killed Cassie.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See. I do think that Tory was more the
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: puppet master, the manipulator in the situation. I think because
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: usually in a situation like this, when you do have
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: younger individuals, there's someone who sparks that idea, someone who
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: initiates the thought of we're gonna kill someone. We're gonna
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: take this person, they're gonna be our victim. I think
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: that's Tory. Even in that tape where he's like, calm down,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: we gotta get our story straight. He's thinking straight. He's
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: in my head, thinking like a serial killer.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like we gotta like figure this one out so
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: we can do our next one.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, He's he's thinking ahead.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Now, he was young enough that he didn't cover all
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: his bases with the filmmaking and stuff. But he didn't
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: even say on that tape like I killed her. He
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: might have been thinking not to say that on tape
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: on purpose.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he could. And even in that I should show
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: you the one clip of the documentary because the dad's
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: kind of like, like you're innocent, and like.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: His dad's a dumb ass.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Well, even the way that Tory kind of just like
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: looks at them and then like looks down like I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know his parents. I'm sorry, but like there's
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I get sticking with your kid and like and supporting them,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: but he's a monster, and like he actually should probably
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: be working on how to get help.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think if Tory had it his way, he
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: would not have or so none of that stuff would
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: have been found. The evidence would get buried, and then
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Matt would have said those two were with me that
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: night and he would have ended up pinning it on Brian.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Tory would have got a wastecott free I think Brian
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: he brought him into it as his scapegoat.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because Brian was the one that ended up
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: cracking right and and and showed the investigators where they buried.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Shit.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tory probably would have been closed, lip tight lip.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know the same.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah whatever.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, So Cassie's entire family had undoubtfully does that how
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you say that? Undoubtfully and doubtfully suffered from grief as
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a result of this terrible loss. Her aunt and uncle
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and cousin who discovered Cassie's murdered body in their own
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: home when they were returned from their trip, had been
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: greatly impacted. They left their house that day and they
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: never went back. The local sheriff's office helped with temper
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: housing for them and cleaning up of the crime scene,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: but the family could never bring themselves to go back.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: The cousin who was the one to discover Cassie's body
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: suffered a breakdown and apparently attempted suicide.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: So it just kind of shows you people's actions, like
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: it's now affecting how many people.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Every action has a reaction. It goes down the line.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: It's not just an immediate Yeah, the butterfly effect right.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the story of Cassie.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Wow, those two individuals. I'm glad they're behind bars for life.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I really am. I'm sorry if people disagree with me,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: but I really do think that they should be behind bars.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I don't care if they're sixteen. They intentionally did this.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Honestly, this case took me a water research and I
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: think it was just because it's so heavy and so disturbing.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: It is very disturbing.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: That it's almost like and the amount of documentaries I
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: watched and I'm going to I think that you should
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: watch parts of that one. We are going to link
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: it because the one where it shows them years later,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: it had other people in the documentary as well, and
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it just is like kind of interesting.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: So all I know is those two are fucked up. Yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I like wow very much. This is gonna be one
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: of those ones on the top list that really bother me.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're very antsy right now, you're very agitated.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Well, the always I need reasons, I need why, I
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: need to understand logic. There's no logic to this, zero, nothing,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: not at all, and those piss me off.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I honestly think though, if these two boys did not
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: find each other or become friends or become close or
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: whatever that this probably wouldn't have happened. I don't think
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: one of them would have done it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I think Tory would have found a way another day
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: to murder someone. I think it was rooted in Tory.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I think he was going to do it one day somehow.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh shoot, because one of them, I think it
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: was Tory had one of them, I think, Yeah, I'm
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: pretty sure it was Tory had like child pornography and
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: animal abuse. Oh really stuff on their laptop. But their
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: laptop I think was not actually supposed to be like
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: seized or something, so it wasn't able to be held.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm pretty sure like one of them was
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: literally like a serial killer in the making. Witch.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and was it Tory that you said idolized the
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: individuals from the col of Mine show? No, No, it
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't Brian Ryan.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know Brian. He did seem like
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: both of them actually didn't have like the characteristics necessarily
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: of being quite weird in high school, like they had friends.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: They seemed like pretty normal, especially Brian. And I don't know.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I think kids at age just say shit when
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: they don't really mean it either, you know, yeah, fair enough.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: So wow, thank you for that absolutely disturbingly heavy case.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Appreciate that one.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm here for.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: And that's what you're here for. Hey wow. Okay, Well,
• 48:31
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• 48:32
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• 48:36
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• 48:41
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• 48:41
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• 48:59
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• 49:02
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• 49:03
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