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Why Are We Still Asking Mums This? · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This episode has been made possible thanks to our launch partner,
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  Speaker 1: Minnie and Me, and their incredible Mama Bites, a six-in-one
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  Speaker 1: functional snack to nourish feeding mamas.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Mums Group that you actually
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  Speaker 2: want to be a part of. I'm Amy Torber and
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  Speaker 2: I'm joined by my triplet sisters and journalists, Kate and Sophie.
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  Speaker 2: And today we're so excited to be joined by Kira Rumble.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Mums Group.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. Very excited to chat to you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Now, we don't want to embarrass you, but we are
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  Speaker 2: big fans of you. You are an amazing businesswoman. We
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  Speaker 2: can't stop drinking your Hydra Mama and eating Mama Bites.
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  Speaker 2: And neither can our husbands. Yeah, they keep stealing ours, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 2: I keep telling them, you know, they've got properties for
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  Speaker 2: women in them, not really for men. My husband says
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  Speaker 2: his vaginal health is amazing at the moment because of it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: We thought we would kick things off with a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a get to know you game called this or that.
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  Speaker 2: So Kira, do you like to go to bed early
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  Speaker 2: or will you procrastinate and scroll on the couch?
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  Speaker 4: I get into bed relatively early. I do bedtime solo.
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  Speaker 4: most of the nights, but I will just doom scroll.
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  Speaker 3: It's not good.
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  Speaker 2: Not good at all. Is Purple Monkey in the Bubblegum
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  Speaker 2: Tree a bop or not? Now, are you across this
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  Speaker 2: song or am I?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like you're speaking a different language.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you could be a purple monkey in a bop.
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  Speaker 2: You do not have that toy for your kids. That piano.
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  Speaker 3: What is it called?
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  Speaker 2: Like a floor piano.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, no. My kids are a little bit older because
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  Speaker 4: they're nearly three and five.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you missed it.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel like I exited that baby stage. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: See, it actually sends shivers down my spine because it
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  Speaker 2: reminds me of the really newborn days and I heard
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  Speaker 2: it the other day.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, maybe that's your.
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  Speaker 2: Brain protecting you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just blocked it out, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Snog, marry, avoid, Dr. Golly, the hot purple wiggle or
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  Speaker 1: Captain Feathersword.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness. Snob, a full wiggle.
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  Speaker 4: Marry, maybe golly, and avoid Feathersort.
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  Speaker 3: But, like, there's nothing on Feathersort at all.
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  Speaker 2: You're just not into pirates.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Just not into pirates. Give me a cowboy, then maybe.
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  Speaker 2: I think doctors always win over pirates.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like having a medical professional husband would be–
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  Speaker 4: really important.
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  Speaker 2: Especially because he can get the kids to sleep, obviously. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if that's his specialty, he's in there every
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  Speaker 2: night doing the bedtime routine.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I also told my husband, Dr. Golley claims that he
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  Speaker 2: used to take the afternoons off for his kids. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I just keep telling my husband that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, if he can do it, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Kate wants to snog and marry Dr. Golley by the
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  Speaker 2: sounds of it. And the last one is, are you
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  Speaker 2: a beige mum or a colourful mum?
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  Speaker 4: I am a reformed beige mom I'm all about color now.
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  Speaker 2: You're actually talking to another reformed beige mom I would
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  Speaker 2: say that was you Sophie because I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I'm reformed yet I don't think I'm deep enough in
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  Speaker 2: my parenthood journey to be reformed I've been seeing some
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  Speaker 2: color in your playpen because Sophie you need to tell
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  Speaker 2: Kira about your nursery oh well it's just got beige
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  Speaker 2: walls and it's very like beige white like we had
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  Speaker 2: a little pop of color with his little um what
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  Speaker 2: is it called the Mobile.
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  Speaker 4: Mobile. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This was me. This was me for my son.
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  Speaker 2: See, I feel like you've got very nice taste though.
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  Speaker 2: So I, yeah, I mean, I just found the color
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  Speaker 2: a bit overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you don't really want all this.
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  Speaker 2: Color in your house. I saw a mum on TikTok
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  Speaker 2: and she bought one of those, you know, those plastic cars,
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  Speaker 2: the real, the bubble car. And she spray painted it
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  Speaker 2: sort of like a neutral.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't say that. Yeah, it's a good idea.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And she was arguing, you know, so much of
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  Speaker 2: motherhood is chaos. Can we just have a bit of neutral?
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  Speaker 2: It's calming. It's nice. I mean, we've got to stare
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  Speaker 2: at these objects in our house for so long. So
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  Speaker 2: I feel like Maybe, yeah, beige with a pop of color.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you can do color tastefully.
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  Speaker 3: They just, they love color and toys.
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  Speaker 4: And my daughter is so deep into mermaid obsession. And
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  Speaker 4: now I'm at the point where if they love it
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  Speaker 4: and it makes them happy, I can do it.
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  Speaker 3: But I absolutely, my son, we were wicker, white, beige.
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  Speaker 3: I had this beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: Handmade felt dinosaur mobile that had the only color in
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  Speaker 4: it in the room.
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  Speaker 3: And I loved that, but I'm all about the color now.
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  Speaker 2: I did see this TikTok and it was saying how
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  Speaker 2: you're going to miss all the little things that your
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  Speaker 2: kids leave around, like the little cars on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: It is nice to see a house that actually looks
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  Speaker 2: lived in. I'm trying to tell myself that. Soph's husband's
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  Speaker 2: already getting ready to throw out the bottle sterilizer. He
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  Speaker 2: wants to chuck everything out. I'm like, he's nine months old.
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  Speaker 2: He's still got a couple more months of all this equipment.
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  Speaker 3: My partner, can we just get rid of half of
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  Speaker 3: this stuff? And I'm like, no, they use it.
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  Speaker 4: And then he's like running around the room. So I
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  Speaker 4: still play with those puzzles occasionally.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I want to know, the mums group listening, go
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  Speaker 2: to the Facebook page, tell us, are you a beige mum?
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  Speaker 2: And if you're a reformed one, please give Sophie some
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  Speaker 2: advice on how she can overcome her beige addictions.
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  Speaker 5: Motherhood is a place where you just can completely focus
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  Speaker 5: on and throw all of your energy to and then
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  Speaker 5: like forget yourself.
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  Speaker 2: The founder of Honor Active, Chrissy Sealer, has divided opinions
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  Speaker 2: after asking journalists to stop asking her about how she
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  Speaker 2: balances it all as a mom. So Chrissy chose International
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  Speaker 2: Women's Day to air her frustrations, telling her followers she
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  Speaker 2: was sick of being asked about it as this is
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  Speaker 2: a question never directed at male founders. Let's have a
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  Speaker 2: listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 6: The reason this question is fairly stupid and low-key kind
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  Speaker 6: of sexist is because why are we not asking men
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  Speaker 6: the same question? I have co-founders that are men, brilliant,
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  Speaker 6: love them, but they never get asked that question.
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  Speaker 3: They never get asked that question.
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  Speaker 6: So can we please stop asking women, especially women in business,
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  Speaker 6: especially founders who have achieved insane amounts, how they balance
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  Speaker 6: it all?
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  Speaker 2: Chrissy went on to suggest that a more valid question
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  Speaker 2: was how did she go from startup to scaling? Now,
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  Speaker 2: some of her followers weren't happy. So one argued that
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  Speaker 2: this is a really valid question. She said she likes
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  Speaker 2: hearing from fellow mums and she likes their honest take
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  Speaker 2: on the struggles they go through and how they actually
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  Speaker 2: balance work and motherhood. Another agreed saying it was helpful
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  Speaker 2: and comforting for other women to hear. Other people backed Chrissy.
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  Speaker 2: So one follower said, you're a founder first. Being a
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  Speaker 2: mum is part of you, not the headline. Kira, I'd
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  Speaker 2: love to know where you stand on this because I
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  Speaker 2: kind of see both sides.
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  Speaker 3: Me too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I have a strong opinion on this
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  Speaker 4: question because I get asked it a lot. And one
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  Speaker 4: of the biggest things that's so important to me is
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  Speaker 4: I want to be really honest online, especially. And Someone
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  Speaker 4: asked me that the other day and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't juggle it well. We haven't even had a
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  Speaker 4: family holiday and my son is nearly five. And I
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  Speaker 4: think for me, it depends where she was asked it
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  Speaker 4: and who was asking it because I know as a
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  Speaker 4: female founder, if someone else was like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I balance it so well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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  Speaker 4: I maybe might internally think, oh, I feel guilty. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not being able to juggle it all. But then if
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  Speaker 4: it was more of a business setting where, the room
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  Speaker 4: was filled with entrepreneurs and maybe not parents, maybe it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't suitable. So I get both sides, but for me, I, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I really don't do it very well. And I've had
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  Speaker 4: to accept that, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the thing I love about you is how honest
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  Speaker 2: you've been. Cause I was looking at your website the
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  Speaker 2: other day and you have on there, I have a nanny.
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  Speaker 2: I have help. I mean, we say, yeah. And I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of women in business do, they either
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  Speaker 2: have to utilize childcare or they get help from their
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  Speaker 2: parents or they have a nanny. And it's also a
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  Speaker 2: decision that isn't just from the mom, it's from both parents,
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  Speaker 2: which kind of irritates me.
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  Speaker 1: I think you were going to touch on Amy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Last year we saw influencer Molly May receive a lot
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  Speaker 2: of criticism because she didn't, I think she was a
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  Speaker 2: bit delayed to say that she had a nanny. So
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people felt like they were being deceived.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's a decision
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  Speaker 2: between her and her partner. It's not just her child
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  Speaker 2: has a nanny, their child has a nanny. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think it was people thought that maybe she was hiding
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  Speaker 2: the fact because she still wanted to remain relatable. But
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what do we expect? Like she is a
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  Speaker 2: successful businesswoman. She has multiple businesses that she's running. Like
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  Speaker 2: why are we offended that she has a nanny? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: is it the fact that people deem it expensive because
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  Speaker 2: I mean, childcare is expensive. Like everything is expensive in
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  Speaker 2: this day and age.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I've spoken about Nanny Sam since she's been with me
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  Speaker 4: since my son was six weeks old. And that was
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  Speaker 4: the reality. I needed to get back to work. I
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  Speaker 4: get really sick during my pregnancy. So I kind of
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  Speaker 4: do maternity leave reverse, even though being pregnant with hyperemesis
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  Speaker 4: is not like having any, you know, time off maternity
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  Speaker 4: leave is really time off anyway um but yeah I
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  Speaker 4: really I had no other option and nanny Sam is
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  Speaker 4: the most incredible person and I have my mum moved
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  Speaker 4: up where we live to help out because even having
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  Speaker 4: the nanny still didn't help me enough to grow the
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  Speaker 4: business to where it is but I am definitely the
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  Speaker 4: default parent for everything my partner and I own a
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  Speaker 4: business together he he works back late on the weekends.
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  Speaker 4: If he works, he has that, not luxury, but he
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  Speaker 4: has the ability for all of the mental load to
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  Speaker 4: just hit me or me, but I'm okay with that
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  Speaker 4: most of the time.
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  Speaker 2: We saw Hilary Duff recently talking about it. So she's
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  Speaker 2: on her, her comeback era. And she spoke about how like,
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  Speaker 2: she felt really jealous of her husband when he was
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  Speaker 2: able to to return to work let's have a listen
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  Speaker 2: to what she said.
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  Speaker 5: I got really jealous actually of Matt after I had
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  Speaker 5: Townes and I was like still nursing and you know
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  Speaker 5: busy with the other kids and like running our household
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  Speaker 5: and all of that all of that responsibility which I
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  Speaker 5: actually genuinely love but I can't that can't be like
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  Speaker 5: it for me So he was like going, he has
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  Speaker 5: an amazing studio. He was like going to the studio
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  Speaker 5: every day and just like getting to have alone time
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  Speaker 5: and getting to like sit with things that like bump
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  Speaker 5: around his head and in his head and like make
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  Speaker 5: him tick and like purge, you know, his like creativity
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  Speaker 5: and create. And I was just like, I want that too.
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, cool.
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  Speaker 5: Like, are you serious? Like, it's not like for 10
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  Speaker 5: years I've been writing songs. I've been like deep in motherhood.
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  Speaker 2: I think she also wanted to be a role model
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  Speaker 2: to other mums who wanted more than staying at home.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And look, like my mum, I grew up, she's had
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  Speaker 4: four kids and she was a stay-at-home mum and she
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  Speaker 4: absolutely loved it. But for me, I've always very much
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  Speaker 4: known that I really want to pursue my career and
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  Speaker 4: pursue the passion of building businesses.
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  Speaker 3: And.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's okay to want both or okay to
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  Speaker 4: just want one. It's a hard one, but I totally
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  Speaker 4: relate to Hilary saying that she was jealous because I
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  Speaker 4: definitely see my partner just being like.
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  Speaker 3: Bye, and I'm like, okay, well, I've got to order breakfast,
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  Speaker 3: I've got to order.
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  Speaker 4: This, and I've got to do this, I've got to
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  Speaker 4: book a practice appointment, and it just never switches off,
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  Speaker 4: whereas it does for him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting. It's funny because I feel like
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  Speaker 2: all of us, as soon as you said that, we're
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  Speaker 2: all nodding in agreement, but then also recently– Our podcast
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  Speaker 2: has come out and our husbands have been listening and
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  Speaker 2: they're like, oh. We're like, you're not meant to. This
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  Speaker 2: is the mum's group. Are you guys alone? Yeah. So
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  Speaker 2: I feel like all of us looked at each other like,
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  Speaker 2: we have so much to say. We'll just have to
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  Speaker 2: keep bashing them on Outspoken instead because they don't listen
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  Speaker 2: to that. I'm just joking. I'm just joking. Not that
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  Speaker 2: anyone is bashing their husbands, by the way. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's such a fair thing to say. Of course you're
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  Speaker 2: going to be jealous because– I don't know, it's something
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  Speaker 2: because you have carried the baby the whole time during
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  Speaker 2: pregnancy and a lot of it revolves around you, just
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  Speaker 2: naturally when you're on maternity leave, it kind of becomes
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  Speaker 2: your thing. I mean, the mental load. When you're breastfeeding,
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  Speaker 2: it's just something dads just can't do.
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  Speaker 4: It's that resentment sometimes that you just go, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you have it so much easier in the sense of
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  Speaker 4: you don't have to carry that load, but then at
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  Speaker 4: the same time, I love being the default parent too.
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  Speaker 2: It's so hard because often my husband will be like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I want to help, like what can I help with?
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  Speaker 2: And there's a part of me that's a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a control freak and I'm like, yeah, but you won't
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  Speaker 2: do it right. Like you'll forget or, you know. But
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  Speaker 2: also you don't want to be asked what to have
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  Speaker 2: to do because then that's another part of the mental
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  Speaker 2: load of telling them. You're like, how do you not know?
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  Speaker 2: But like there's a messy room. You're like, how do
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  Speaker 2: you not know that something needs to be packed away?
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  Speaker 2: It's just.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a meme the other day or a quote
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  Speaker 2: and it said, how amazing would women be if we
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  Speaker 2: all had a wife? At home. Yeah. I feel that one.
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  Speaker 3: My girlfriends and I say that all the time. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: we should just get married and live together.
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  Speaker 2: We spoke about that the other week because Ruby Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: Matthews suggested some form of commune and it sounded amazing.
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  Speaker 2: She was saying, you know, if one person has their period,
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  Speaker 2: the others just take on the kids and the mental
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  Speaker 2: load and Yeah. Sign us up. Ruby Tuesday, Matthew. How
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  Speaker 2: did that go for you, like for Amy and Sophie
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  Speaker 2: last week? Cause you were all staying down at Middleton together. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: cause you said it was harder with the two kids. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't, it wasn't that it was harder. It was
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  Speaker 2: more so like when my husband, when he gets home
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  Speaker 2: from work, he'll sometimes come home earlier so I can
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  Speaker 2: keep working and, um, but he'll take over. And so
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  Speaker 2: then you get that break, but because we were all
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  Speaker 2: doing every task together.
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  Speaker 1: It just felt like the day went on.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Kira, you did something absolutely incredible. So when you
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  Speaker 2: launched your business, Habitual Beauty, that was actually the same
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  Speaker 2: week that your son was born. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 4: It is correct, but it wasn't planned. You look back
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  Speaker 4: at things like this and you're like, why did I think?
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  Speaker 4: Because the plan was to launch the business and go
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  Speaker 4: have my baby and And then go take time off.
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  Speaker 3: And my son came at 36 weeks and he was prim.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, that was a real spanner in the works.
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  Speaker 4: I remember during labor, I was emailing and sending off
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  Speaker 4: purchase orders and just being like, oh, how the hell
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  Speaker 4: are we going to do this? But I did. I
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  Speaker 4: remember I launched it with him literally in my arm
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  Speaker 4: talking in the kitchen, but I stupidly did that again
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  Speaker 4: for my next brand. But I managed to launch it
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  Speaker 4: before my daughter was born, which was a plus.
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  Speaker 2: It's so funny when you are pregnant for the first
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  Speaker 2: time and you just, you just don't get what, what's
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  Speaker 2: about to happen. And you think, oh, yeah, you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure like when they're napping, I can do this.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, they'll just come with me. And I mean,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you do, like, I remember Amy, you got a
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  Speaker 2: bit lulled into that false sense of security the first
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks in the newborn bubble, you were out
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  Speaker 2: at brunch and doing this.
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  Speaker 3: Fabulous.
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  Speaker 2: The baby wasn't awake to the world. It was great.
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  Speaker 2: But it's also nice to have a distraction I think
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  Speaker 2: from it because it can be very that the whole
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  Speaker 2: newborn experience is obviously really beautiful but there are very
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  Speaker 2: mundane moments and for me I felt like it was
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: nice to keep my brain active and think about other
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: things so obviously when you've just launched a product you've
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: got to be focused on that as well as your
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: baby so you've got something else to think about and focus.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: On yeah but it was just really interesting I remember
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: this one moment and I was about six weeks postpartum with.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: My son and I was in the shower and And
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: I remember going.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: This is the first time that I have just thought
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: about work without forcing myself to think about work. And
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: it was just really interesting because they say how much
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: your brain changes and all of that incredible stuff. And
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: I just remember going, wow, my brain really hasn't been
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: switched on in the sense that I thought it would be.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: And so I had very different postpartum experiences with my
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: son and my daughter.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: I had really bad postpartum depression with my daughter, but
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: my son, I was just on cloud nine.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: We were in COVID.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: It was very much, we were in our little love bubble,
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: but with my daughter, it was very, very different. And
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: I experienced some really dark moments, especially with postpartum rage.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: But I just remember that one moment.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Where I was like, wow, my brain is Only now.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Just thinking about other things besides my baby, I would
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: obviously be trying to work, but.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I'd force myself to work in front of a computer.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: So I thought that was really interesting.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to hear that you experienced that.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: It would be really difficult having such a positive experience
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: the first time around and then being like, oh my,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: what is this? Like it would be extra tough.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: My pregnancy with my daughter was so much more extreme
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: with hyperemesis too.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: So I think that did contribute a lot.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: I was very depressed and in a really dark space
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: with my daughter because I mean, I had bad age
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: here with my son, but that was throwing up seven
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: to ten times a day. And then with my daughter,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: it was 30 to 40. And I tore my esophagus
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: from vomiting so much.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: And it was just hell.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: But then postpartum, I thought it would be, you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: all happy. But then she was colicky and I was
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: on my own.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: My partner was working and sleeping at the factory because
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: we were trying to build the business.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: And I was on my own most nights. And your
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: brain just... does really scary things when you're on your own.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I also think there's a lot of guilt because I,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've only, my son's only nine months old,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: but I feel like there are a couple of months
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: which were pretty dark in the beginning for me. And
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I think that you almost feel an element of guilt
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: because you know that you should be, you feel like
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: you should be enjoying this time and you see so
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: much rhetoric online that, you know, soak it all up.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: And I mean, for me, I felt like I was
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: sort of wishing the weeks away and you get told
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: everything will be better when he's six months old and
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: just every night I put him to bed just thinking, okay,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: one more night down.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Let's like, am I going to feel better soon? Is
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: this going to get better soon?
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's, I'm so happy that there's people like
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: you who are talking about your experience and making others
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: feel less alone because it is such a lonely time
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: when you're having those feelings going around in your head
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: at 2am.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: And I guess because I had my son and I
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: had such a positive, beautiful postpartum experience compared to, you know,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I was, I would have so much rage because my
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: daughter would be screaming and I'd be so fed up
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: and I'd be so exhausted that I would hit my
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: head against the wall because I didn't want to hit her.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: And I remember that moment and I told my best
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: friend and I'm like, I think I need help.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: And she was just like, okay, we need to sort
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: this out. But I was doing.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: That for weeks before I told someone. And I knew
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: exactly what was happening.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: To a degree.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: I was just so bottled up.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: And then I told my psychiatrist. And she's like, okay, well,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: this is a problem. We need to sort this out.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: And so I'm very glad that I had access to,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: you know, to speak to someone about it and to
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: know the difference, because I think if that had happened
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: to my first postpartum experience, I might not have said
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: anything for.
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: A little longer.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: That's so true. And it's such a common story.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I got on this side of TikTok when I had Harry,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: and it was a lot of women talking about similar
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: experiences they'd had. And for me, I didn't, I mean,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I had days that were hard, but I didn't experience
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: stuff that Sophie was telling me that she had experienced.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And I just, it really opened my eyes to the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: fact how different some people's postpartum experiences are and how
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: you really need to look out for your friends who
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: are going through it. And that's why I feel like
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the village, like the concept of the village. I mean,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: obviously I feel like we don't have it as much
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: these days, but it is so important to have, as
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: you said, those friends that you can reach out to
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: and who get it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like that kind of segues into our next
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: topic about finding your pink.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I listened to an interview you did recently and you
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: were saying, was it two and a half years that
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it took you to feel normal again? Yeah, or yourself,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I should say.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which, yeah, only recently. My daughter's nearly three.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: And I think really October last year was when I
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: properly started, I stopped breastfeeding. I breastfed my daughter for
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: over two years. And I had either been pregnant or IVF,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: pregnant and sick, breastfeeding, endosurgery, IVF, breast, like all of
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: that for six, seven years, trying to have a baby,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: have my family.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: And then when I stopped breastfeeding, I was like, wow,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: what do I, who is this person? I need to
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: meet this person.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: All I knew was the woman that was a mom
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: and then would go to work. And even just the
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: way that I was dressing was so different to how
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I dress now. And I felt really uncomfortable in my body.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: And I just was like, you know what?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I've, not life, but to have these babies, I want
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: to feel good again.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: And so I just started doing these small little shifts
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: and changes to start moving my body because I, you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: fell into that trap of, I think, four months postpartum,
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: joining a fitness program and trying to do, you know,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: all of these things.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: But I was so exhausted. I was starving.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I definitely don't drop weight when I breastfeed. And I
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: was just like, this is not, I can't, you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: you see that, you know, be a strong mum, for
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: them and I was just like why can't I do
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: this but yeah it took two and a half years
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: for me to start actually wanting to move my body
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: be consistent eat better and actually talk to myself in
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: a really positive way which I haven't really done in
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: a very long time.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: That makes me feel better in a sense, because, um,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I know when I was pregnant, I was saying to
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Kate who had her son before, yeah, like I'm going
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: to straight away, get back into fitness as soon as
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I can. And you think, you know, I think, I
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: think when I, when I did get cleared that I
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: could do, I did like one workout and then I
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: haven't done a workout since, or like I went on
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: one run and yeah, you just don't realize the way
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that your life completely shifts and those things just aren't
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: important to you.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: But I mean, it, It's funny, I listened to the
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: interview that Amy was referencing and you spoke about how
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: one of the big things that you did was throw
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: out that nursing bra because I feel like that inspired
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: me because sadly I'm actually still wearing it. I haven't
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: breastfed for over a year and I don't know why
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I'm still wearing them. I'm like I need to burn mine.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Because they're comfy.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: They are.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: They are.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: But I was like that's so true.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: It's funny because I've got fake boobs but I've had
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: them for years Since I was 21 and someone, I
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: did a question box on my Instagram and they're like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: how do your boobs look like that after breastfeeding two kids?
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I'm like, because they're not real. And then everyone's like,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: did you recently get them done? And I'm like, no,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: I've literally just worn my Bonds crop top for seven
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: and a half years. But I still sleep in it
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: though because it is literally the comfiest bra.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I have to get one.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: You see, I got this cheapo one from Kmart and, like,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I have no boobs. So, like, my husband's like, why
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: do you even bother wearing it? I'm like, well, it
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: feels weird if I don't. But, yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: But that's a good, that's a good way I think
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: to find, find your pink, get a new bra. Well,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I think that's one step. I found after I had
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Luca that I looked in my wardrobe and I sort
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: of saw this other person's wardrobe.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: It didn't feel like me anymore.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like, so I do view my clothes as like
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: pre Luca, post Luca. So it was really important like
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: for me to actually buy some new jeans, buy some
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: new winter outfits coming up and kind of be this
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: new version of yourself. Well, I saw someone on TikTok
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: and they were saying they live now by the two, sorry,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: two thirds rule. So you either have to choose between hair, makeup, outfit.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: You've got to choose two of those things each day.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, this morning I was in a bit of
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: a rush. I don't think I picked either of those things,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: but moving forward, finding my pink. I feel like your
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: makeup looks beautiful, Kira. I think during that interview I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: listened to, you said that you'd been like really investing
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: in finding a new makeup routine. Can you tell us
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: about it?
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: It sounds really silly.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: No.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I just got stuck on the TikTok. Is it Nina Park? Yes.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: It's like a makeup artist and it's literally like I
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: never really wear eye makeup.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, you know what, I want
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: to just, you know, I'm 35 now. Let's just grow
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: up a little bit with what I do.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: And so I just kept my base very similar, like identical,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: but I literally just put a little bit of.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Eyeliner on the ends of my eyes. I can't even speak.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: And then you just literally get your nail and you just...
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: We get like a little wing.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Because I was just admiring your makeup. Like I was
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: like I want everything that you have. So, I mean,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I have to go and watch that TikTok. You'll have
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: to do your own tutorial because the wing is so cute.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And the fact that it sounds like it might be
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: easy to do.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: It's really easy because I tried getting the makeup brush
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, no, you just use your fingernail.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I saw a TikTok.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, I should do one. And then I also
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: tried the wrinkle pen. That's super cute. It's just, I
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: don't know, I just– want to feel good.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Again.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: And how has it been making you feel like, do
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you feel like a different person now, like a new person?
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I feel so much more confident.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I think I really lack confidence in so many aspects
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: and feeling good in myself and having energy and, you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: getting a nice compliment about your makeup looks good or
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I like your outfit or, you know, even one of
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: the girls was like, you just seem lighter and happier.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: And that in itself is the ultimate compliment.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: And yeah, it's just nice to feel more than just
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: the mum at home.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And yeah, it's nice.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I saw a lot of people were saying online that
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: what helped them find their pink was getting dressed, even
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: if you're going to be at home, like putting on
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: something nice. And people were saying, You know, you might
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: want to bum around in your PJs, but what about
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: linen pants? That's like a more.
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, see, I've got two sausage dogs that are black haired.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: So I feel like I try really hard to wear
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: like the nice small linen pants.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: But then if I sit down on the couch, they're
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: on me.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I definitely have tried to buy nicer PJs. I went
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: and bought from Loungewear these really nice ones and Skims,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: some really nice jammies.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, I was wearing really daggy, daggy jammies. But, yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: even just little things like that. Or not just in
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: your active wear all the time, which I definitely still do,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: but wear a nice jacket with your active wear.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I want to level up because, again, I keep seeing
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: everyone saying, oh, it's so daggy just to wear active
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: wear because you just look like a mum and now
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: all the Gen Zers are wearing the flared active wear pants.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, maybe I need some flared active wear pants.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: But isn't that terrible? It's a little bit too. It
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: annoys me, though. It's like, oh, we can't look like
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: a mum. That pisses me off. It's like this, you
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: can't look.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: It just annoys me because I like my mum. There's
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of millennial bashing. There's a lot of millennial bashing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I love being a mum.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I don't want to not look like a mum.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: We should reclaim our tight leggings.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're short, Amy Sofa and I. I'm like,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I can't pull off. the flare.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: So I think they look quite cute. I think they
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: look quite good.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: You can try them. Do you know one thing I've
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: added to my list of finding my pink, and this
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: was a rogue comment from, from Kate. Only your sister
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: can say this to you. She told me I stunk
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: the other day. So there is a particular smell postpartum,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: isn't there? I think you're apparently meant to smell more
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: so the baby can smell you. And so I was like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. So I'm, Getting my perfume, my new perfume.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: To be fair, I had not.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Showered that way.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Did I hear correctly that you went out and tried
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to find like your signature scent?
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I bought a trial pack and then it's funny
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: because I bought a bottle from that trial pack but
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: now I've found another one that I like even more
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: but I never really wore perfume. I get really bad
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: headaches from perfume but I found this clean one that
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: is really nice.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: So yeah, just even like smelling nice.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: And then I ran, I came downstairs yesterday and my
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: son's like, you smell really nice, mommy.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: We would love to find out how other mums group
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: members are finding their pink. We're going to leave a
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: thread in our Facebook community. So let's get into iconic
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: or unhinged. And this is where a listener will share
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: something that's happened in their life. And we need to
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: weigh in and say whether their behavior was iconic or unhinged.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: So one listener has said after having their baby, the
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: minute they got home from hospital, her husband handed her
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the TV remote and said, you know, watch whatever you want.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And she started binging the most violent and bloody horror films.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: She said she was sitting there, she'd have her baby
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: nursing on her and they'd be talking about, you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the dead body is hidden there. She said, is this
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: iconic or unhinged behavior? Do other mums do this? We'll
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: throw it to Kirra. Poor Kira.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Is it horror or thriller?
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Because horror I can't watch, but a thriller, a good thriller,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: I feel like there's not much else to do.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: So I feel like it is iconic.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I feel like most women love
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a good murder mystery sort of like documentary style. I'm
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: going to be harsh. I think it's Unhinged. Why? Because
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, for me, when I came back from
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the hospital, like I couldn't even watch like a, you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: just a police drama. Really? Yeah. Maybe it depends on
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: how you... I don't know. Like, I feel like I
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: was just on edge. I'm guessing I think this is
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: true crime she's watching yeah as well I mean I
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: sat and binged true crime it's like you know the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: women who say I can't fall asleep I've got anxiety
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and they're falling asleep to the most horrific true crime podcast.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: You know it's funny because I used to love true
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: crime podcasts and there's an amazing one um true crime
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: society that I loved And since having my daughter, I
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: can't listen to many true crime anymore.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the same.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Which is very odd, but I still love a thriller.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's more about when you think about
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  Speaker 4: the children impacted by the true crime.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, that's just sad. That's so true.
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  Speaker 2: I've never been that sort of person before that's like,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: You know, like if I saw a baby and a
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  Speaker 2: dog on the street, I'd go for the dog.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I'd like give them a
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  Speaker 1: pat and I wouldn't be.
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  Speaker 2: But now I like anytime I see a baby or
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  Speaker 2: anyone being nasty to children, it just absolutely breaks my heart.
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  Speaker 2: The Elizabeth Smart thing popped up on Netflix and I
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: was obsessed with that. I remember seeing it on Oprah
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  Speaker 2: back in the day and being like so intrigued. She
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: was the young girl who was kidnapped from her bedroom window.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, if I watch that, I'm going to
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: have to be putting like bars on my son's window.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: It was actually a very, it was very interesting, that documentary.
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  Speaker 1: I would recommend it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I understand that's probably a bit close to
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: home for some.
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  Speaker 4: But I feel like if you're newly postpartum, maybe you just,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel like good on her.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit of a distraction. It takes you
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: into a different world of what you're doing. I think
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: my husband couldn't watch anything gory because I had a
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: cesarean and he was absolutely scarred by all the, the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: gore and the blood.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: So I think he would have been like, no, we're
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: not watching this.
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  Speaker 3: Poor thing.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, poor thing watching on.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: It was terribly difficult watching on.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: We just got into Clarkson's Farm, which sounds so boring,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: but we were binging Clarkson's Farm after Harry was born.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I was binging anything with Teresa Palmer. I love her.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: That's so rad.
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  Speaker 1: I found it very comforting.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: See, mine was Love Island and then when that finished,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, God. You know when you just
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: really get emotionally attached to it? Did you have a
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: show you were binging? when you were postpartum?
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, I can't even remember.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I think Bridgerton might've come out and.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I saved that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: I watched so much TV because I'm one of those
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: people that have to have like, yeah, I think so.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I have to have my.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: AirPods in and if I'm in the kitchen cooking or something,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: I'll be watching TV.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: It's like my thing.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Do you watch YouTube at all?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Do you watch influencers on YouTube or is that not your?
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: No, I used to, but no, no.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: We haven't grown up. I was watching, I think it
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: might've been a Sarah's day vlog. And it was, I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: was breastfeeding on the couch and then my son turned
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: his head to watch. And I was like, That's the
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: point we don't have screens on anymore because I was like,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I don't want him growing up just
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: watching these random vlogs. See, my toxic thing is I
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: watch all these like early 20 year olds on YouTube
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and then I complain to my husband, like, look.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: At their carefree life. He's like, what do you expect?
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: You're 37.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: These people are like 15 years younger than you. You
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: had your time. It's a good outlet though to just,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: you know, get it out. yeah okay so I think
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: we've decided it's iconic behavior continue to watch your true
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: crime yeah you do you yeah well thank you so
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: much Kira for joining us on the mums group it's
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: been so much fun having you as a co-host.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Thank you thanks for having me we've.
• 32:57
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• 32:59
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