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MINI SCROLL: Rosanna Pansino update, Hannah Berner x Meghan Thee Stallion apology + are snarkers the new incels? · Mini Scroll

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All right, let's get into the stories for today.
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So the first story that I have for you guys is that Rosanna
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Pansino has addressed Tana Mojo and Trisha Paytas and their
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Friendship backlash saga. So Rosanna Pansino has made a
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follow up podcast episode addressing the backlash she
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received last week when talking about two topics.
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First, Tana Mojo's experience on Escape the Night the movie, and
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2nd, Tana and Trisha Paytas's reaction to Rosanna, quote UN
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quote, smoking her father's ashes.
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I'm not going to go into the details because I literally just
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covered this and I think our very last mini scroll, I think
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Thursday. But Rosanna basically tried to
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debunk a lot of Tana's claims about her experience on escape
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the night, the movie set. And she also thought that on
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several different podcast episodes, Tana and Trisha were
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mocking her for smoking cannabis that was grown in a pot that was
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mixed with her father's ashes. So Rosanna came out with this
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podcast episode alongside her partner and they basically tried
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to respond to these things and it didn't really go over very
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well for people. The main backlash was that
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Rosanna was minimizing Tana's experience.
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So here is what Rosanna came back with.
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She released her own episode solo over the weekend, and here
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is what her response was. I believe Tana when she said
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that a guy said something inappropriate to her on set.
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I've escaped the night when she told me on set, I fully had her
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back and I've said I'm so sorry that happened to you and you
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should tell Joey. Me criticizing and fact checking
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the other things that she was saying on the podcast was in no
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way intended to claim that she was lying about being harassed.
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The reason that I spoke out about this is because I felt
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Tana was associating many innocent people with the very
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harmful actions of one individual.
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Her claims that the entire crew were like old creepy men is just
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harmful Because the crew was a mix of men and women whose
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livelihoods depend on their reputation.
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They don't have a big platform to speak up for themselves.
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This. What I'm about to talk about
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right now is a separate issue. It has nothing to do with escape
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the night or being on set. Canceled podcast.
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Tana talk so negatively about how I honored my dad that it
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triggered me. I still deeply feel the loss of
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my dad, and for her and Brooke and Paige to put it out there
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that it was illegal, insinuating that I'm a criminal and that I
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was a cannibal completely devastated me.
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Like I thought Tana and I were friends.
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So I will say from the beginning she did say she believes Tana
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about the creepy guy on set. However, then her and her
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partner in that initial podcast episode like went in on all
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these times that Tana has like 1 quote lied over the years or
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like embellish things and they were trying to say it's hard to
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believe her about the bigger things when she embellishes
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about the smaller things at the same time as saying they
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believe. So it was just very
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contradictory and that's what a lot of people had an issue with.
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I totally agree with Rosanna sentiment that innocent people
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will get dragged into this by Tana painting like the entire
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crew with the same brush. But I think Rosanna has built
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this like second wave in her career for herself by exposing
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how horrible it is to work for Mr. Beast, right?
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And how difficult it is to be on set with the team and all of
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that. And those exposes that she does,
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that's going to include a ton of people that are innocent as
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well, because even if she tries to make that differentiation in
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her exposes and all of her coverage around Mister Beast and
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Beast games, like at the end of the day, even I if I if you told
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me you worked on Beast games, I'm going to have I'm going to
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feel a certain type of way about you.
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And that's not to say that her work isn't important.
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So you guys know how I feel about Mr. Beast.
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I think it's really important that we are looking into these
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people that hold so much power and have this very, like,
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questionable reputation, you know?
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So I think the work that she is doing around Mister Beast can be
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important. But I also also think it's
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ironic that she's coming on here and saying, you know, she's
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going on this, like, crusade against Tana's experience on
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Escape tonight because she's worried for the cast and crew
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and how they're going to be perceived.
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If Tana's saying like, oh, they all were, you know, creepy or it
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was like, all about experience or whatever.
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And it's like, well, the same could also probably be true for
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how she's framing all of the Mr. B stuff.
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That's my opinion at least. OK, the next story that I have
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for you guys is that Hannah Berner has apologized to Megan
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on The Stallion after her red carpet microaggression.
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This is another follow up story from last week, but Hannah
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Berner, podcaster, comedian, former Summer House star, has
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apologized to Megan the Stallion for the racist microaggression
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that she made while interviewing her on the Vanity Fair Oscar red
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carpet. So she wrote on Instagram
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stories and she also made a statement at the start of her
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podcast, Giggly Squad. This is what it said.
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Interviewing Megan the stallion was a dream of mine.
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I love her music and it's my go to whenever I need to boost my
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confidence before a show. Looking back at the interview, I
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wish I used any other word except fight to describe how her
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songs impact me. As we know, she said your songs
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make me want to fight. It was a careless choice of
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words. And though there was no I'll
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intent, I recognize and acknowledge that what I said has
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a deeper meaning. And I'm so sorry to Megan.
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I appreciate everyone who brought this to my attention.
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OK, I'm not really going to share how I feel about that
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apology because it's definitely not my apology to accept.
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So I wanted to talk about the point that I've seen around
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this, which is like that influencers are not journalists.
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They shouldn't be replacing journalists on the red carpet.
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And I don't fully agree with this.
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I think hosting, interviewing, especially live, I think is a
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skill that tons of journalists don't have.
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It's actually so challenging. I struggle with it so much.
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I've had a few opportunities, you guys know, to do red carpet
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coverage or even like live interviews with people that are
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kind of big celebrities. And it's a huge challenge.
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It's a very difficult skill to hone.
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And I think some people have it and some people don't.
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And I don't think that there's a lot of journalists, even if they
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are trained in broadcast journalism that necessarily like
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have it. And I think there's probably a
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lot of influencers. I mean, there's just going to be
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a lot of people in general that like would have it.
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So I don't necessarily agree with that, although I do think
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when the interview happened, people are like, these girls
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need media training. And I think maybe that would
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have been helpful some training in terms of like how to
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navigate, I guess you like your emotional regulation in a
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situation like that, how to think on your feet and pivot
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conversations and recover if you do make a mistake and things
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like that. So I don't necessarily think
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that it can only be a journalist job to do like those hosting
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things, those interviews. But I think at the end of the
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day, it is clear that Hannah and a little bit of Page, but like
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definitely Hannah, she needs some training of some sort if
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they're going to do that again. It was so like chaotic.
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And you know, like I said before, you could tell that they
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really were trying to make it like about them.
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And I think that's a hard line to figure out when you are
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talent as well. Like they are podcasters, they
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are famous. People tune into their podcast
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for them. People are tuning in to that
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interview for them because that's why Vanity Fair chose
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them. And Drew Afuelo actually made a
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video about this whole situation a few days ago, so I'm going to
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insert a little clip here because I agree with exactly
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what she said. There are many journalists I
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know personally and have met over the years that cannot talk
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to a person on camera to save their fucking life, which is
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host. And the same goes for
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influencers. Just because they've built a
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platform doesn't mean they can talk to people on carpets.
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Does that make sense? We're talking about a real
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squares and rectangle situation, you know what I'm saying?
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They're two very different things.
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Hosting is a skill. OK, the last story that I have
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for you guys is I need to talk about this comparison that just
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literally all over the Internet right now.
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It started on TikTok like honestly a day or two ago, very,
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very recently. But now it is like everywhere.
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And it's the fact that people are comparing or debating
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whether you can compare female snarkers to male in cells.
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So like I said, this comparison was first brought to TikTok over
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the weekend by a creator named Josie and has since sparked a
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very heated debate across many corners of the Internet.
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I'm starting to worry that Reddit snarkers are becoming a
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kind of female version of in cells, and not like in cells and
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like the direct term of it, but just as a very socially
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dysfunctional online behavior mainly displayed by one gender.
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You know, I like obviously in cells, very different, very
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different focus, but you know what I mean, Kind of two sides
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of the same coin here. And I do think we need to spend
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a little more time actively shaming people who are
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participating in these Reddit forms with weird, destructive
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antisocial behavior. And it snark is a mainly woman
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thing because, you know, ladies like to gossip.
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I just want you to know if you participate in these Reddit
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forms, there's no way for that not to be corrosive to your
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personality and how you think about yourself and how you treat
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the people in your real life. If you think this way about
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strangers that you don't know with such like callousness and
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this is how you think about people.
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It's it's not something that you are capable of
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compartmentalizing to just online.
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This is in mindset that you were going to adopt to everybody in
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the world and that's going to make you a really rotten person
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on the inside. So seek help.
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So if you guys listen to this podcast, you know, this debate
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encompasses so much of what we frequently talk about on this
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podcast, the manosphere and like snark and gossipy pop culture.
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So I wanted to give my two sons on this and I'm so interested to
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hear what you guys have to say. I don't think there's
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necessarily a right or wrong answer because it's incredibly
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nuanced. However, here's my take on this.
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So I understand the comparison. I see that in cells and snarkers
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are both like grievance and shame based communities quote UN
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quote. But I think there are a few
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caveats here when comparing the two.
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Snark can be undoubtedly damaging in many ways.
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It can be damaging to the people being snarked about.
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It can be damaging to users consuming the snark.
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It can be damaging to people participating in the snark and
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just to the wider culture online of like what we deem as
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acceptable and unacceptable criticism or feedback of a
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public figure online. But I would still argue that the
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outcomes of snark are not as widely damaging as the outcomes
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of in cell culture. Another interesting thing to
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note, So I was talking to my friend Crystal who runs Z Feed,
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and she pointed me to some research about trolls.
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They did a piece in 2021, I think on like why people troll
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and how you can hopefully get it to stop.
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And I wanted to kind of touch on that.
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So obviously trolling and snarking are not exactly the
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same thing, but they're similar. So I'm going to use trolling as
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a bit of like a framework here because there honestly isn't a
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lot of research yet on snark specifically.
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But this research that she pointed me to found that while
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online trolling may feel pervasive, it's actually not as
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common as it seems because there's not actually that many
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people who troll. It's more that the people who do
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troll do it a lot so I would think it's the same first snark.
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I follow a few snark pages for general collectives to help me
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like find stories for Minnie. Obviously I don't follow snark
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pages like about people specifically about like specific
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influencers and stuff so I'm not like super well versed in those.
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But my experience in following snark pages from that, I would
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say about 70% of the posts are either like valid criticism or
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their posts about something relatively harmless or mundane.
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And then I would say the other like 20 to 30% are really nasty,
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like they're body shaming or they're doxing or it's like
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really unhinged criticism that makes no sense.
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And it just feels really, really mean.
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And I don't know for sure, but I would hypothesize that that 20
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to 30% of snark that is really, really bad is done by the same
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small percentage of people. Because I think there are also
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similarities between how women enter art communities and men
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enter in cell communities. We know from anecdotal evidence
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that a lot of men don't intentionally enter in cell
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communities. Rather, they get drawn in when
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they're looking for advice on how to like improve themselves,
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or they're looking for a place to make connection with other
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men. You know, men are not socialized
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to ask for help, especially around things that are deemed
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shameful in male spaces like mental health.
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And they're not taught how to build strong interpersonal
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connections kind of in the same way that women are.
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Like, we know these things, right?
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And I believe that's similar to women who snark.
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I think a lot of women who are in snark communities, they end
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up there because they are seeking a place to talk about
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like niche celebrities or influencers or topics around pop
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culture, which is why a lot of snark pages are dedicated to
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like very random creators. Like you don't see a lot of
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snark pages dedicated to giant celebrities.
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I think it can happen because you follow this one creator.
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You have maybe a kind of a parasocial relationship with
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them or like a parasocial hatred of them and no one else, you
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know in real life follows them. So you search their name, you go
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on Reddit, and then suddenly you're in their snark page, you
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know? And so I think that's how you
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can kind of keep tabs on this interest that you have in this
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like niche area that you can't really speak about with other
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people in your circle because maybe they don't follow them or
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maybe they just don't care as much.
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I think part of womanhood also is like crowdsourcing opinions
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and information and feedback on people that you follow, content
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you consume. I think that's part of it.
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I think that's how some women get into like the Stark realm,
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the Stark community. And honestly, same, like if
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there's ever a scandal that goes on or something with like a
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podcaster or an influencer or whatever, like I will go to
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Reddit and I just want to see what people are saying.
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Like, I think that's human nature, you know?
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I also think another element to this kind of going back to men
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being not socialized to like talk about mental health, share
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their feelings, build those communities.
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Women, women are socialized to be polite.
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We're socialized to be seen and not heard.
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We're socialized to not be judgmental.
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So I think similar to how in cell communities appeal to men,
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even if they like don't want to be an in cell, even if they
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don't identify as an in cell, these communities might appeal
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to men who are seeking information or community around
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topics that are like, quote UN quote shameful in male spaces,
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gossip and being totally polite towards people and seen and not
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heard. And all of these things that I
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just mentioned about women, like there's a lot of shame around
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not being those in female dominator or women dominated
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spaces. So I don't think a lot of women
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seek out snark communities to tear people apart, which is why
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now, like this conversation has obviously made it to a lot of
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snark pages. And like the comments of course
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are overwhelmingly saying like, this is not why I snark like
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this. This is actually such a
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misrepresentation of what I do in this community or why I've
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joined this community or whatever.
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I don't think these women join these communities to necessarily
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tear people apart and body shame them.
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And like, all these like, really toxic things that can happen.
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But I think there is absolutely a pipeline.
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Just as we have a lot of anecdotes of men who seek these
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communities, get into them and then they realize, oh, wait,
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this is like not what I wanted or like, this is way more
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extreme than I thought. And they leave them.
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There are a lot of women that I would say are probably passive
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snarkers. They don't post or they just
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don't ever engage in anything like really hateful or toxic.
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There's also a lot of like inter policing, like snark on snark
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policing in these communities, which actually could make for an
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interesting deep dive episode. Let me know if you guys want
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that. And there's women of course that
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end up leaving these communities being like, this is not what I
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signed up for. And there's different platforms
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that are meaner than others. You know, there's kind of like
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those OG blogging platforms about influencers that are so
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much more savage in my opinion, than Stark reddits.
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So anyways, my last kind of point to tie this all together
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is, you know, there is a lot of discussion now because there's
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lots of people talking about Stark starting to get some like
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mainstream coverage. The discussion, of course, is
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like while women are overwhelmingly snarkers, women
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are overwhelmingly snarked about and overwhelmingly snarkers as
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opposed to men. Like, why is that?
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I think there's a multitude of reasons for that, but I think
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part of it kind of tying it back to everything that I just
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hypothesized. Again, this is all just like my
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own theories, I don't have a lot of evidence to back any of this
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up. OK, so let me know your
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opinions, but I feel like snark is women's way to troll.
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And I think there's probably, and I don't know this for sure,
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but I'm going to guess based on living on the Internet that most
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trolls, like outward trolls in the comments in the DMS are men.
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And I think of course most snarkers are women.
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And I think that kind of ties back to what I was saying before
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is that men are socialized differently to women.
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Women, there is a lot of shame around being mean and rude and
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not polite and. Making your opinion and there's
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not that same level of shame for men.
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So I think men feel yeah, less shame just full stop around
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being a public troll. I also think of course, women
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just have more empathy and more emotional intelligence a lot of
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the time. But if you were going to, you
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know, say something mean about an influencer, I assume the
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reason why more women choose snark is because it is a more
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like behind the scenes way to do it, like a safer space to do it.
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You don't have to do it publicly where you have that element of
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shame. But let me know what you guys
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think about that. I think I could literally talk
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about this discussion for the rest of my life.
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I am so fascinated by it. Those are just all of my high
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level thoughts that I had today. But let me know what you guys
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are thinking. Anyways, guys, thank you so much
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