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Xmas Month: Silent Night, Deadly Night (2025) · Citizen Frame

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  Hey everybody, welcome to another exciting episode of Citizen Frame,
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  episode two of Christmas Month.
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  I got some news. We got some changes to Christmas Month.
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  Trevor is not talking to me right now because I have decided,
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  I'll pause after I say this to let this sink in.
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  We had decided to drop the Hallmark Christmas movie this month. It's outrageous.
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  Yeah. It's a disgrace. Trevor said he wants, he's leaving the podcast.
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  Because of it. Yeah, I've had enough.
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  He says, I love movie magic so much, and there's so much of that movie magic
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  in a Christmas car. Christmas train, whatever the fuck it was called.
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  Train wreck? Danny Glover in his prime.
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  How the mighty have fallen? Danny Glover.
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  I always get confused. Donald Glover now. Isn't there a Donald Glover?
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  Danny Glover, you know what I mean? At his peak, he was a lethal weapon. Predator 2.
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  And now he doing hallmark films i suppose they all do they're all jobbing actors
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  and yeah yeah i mean they get through certain things and that's no disrespect
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  to our boy but yeah we decided to pull it because,
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  we find as we record we got
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  it we got to hit more of the commercial stuff even though
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  we don't want to especially this new title we replaced
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  it with that we we added in place of a
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  hallmark christmas movie so we're doing
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  part one that's right we've added wicked
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  this is gonna be
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  and anyone this is our podcast you know
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  we're gonna hate it but that make that probably makes it fun and saying that
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  i mean from what i have read up apparently it is for what it is it is well done
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  but we'll get to I haven't watched it yet and although we've been up with the target audience.
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  You've watched them both. I haven't. You love it. You just said it.
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  You love it. I haven't seen them.
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  What you just said was one of your masterpieces. I will keep an open mind.
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  That's all I'd say. Fuck. I'd give it a chance. Yeah.
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  So we're still doing Next Top is Home Alone. Then we got the bad Christmas movie,
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  which is Deck the Halls, which is worse than Christmas with the Cranks,
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  by the way. And that's the truth.
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  And then we'll end the year
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  with the big blockbuster wicked and then we'll
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  come into wicked two in the new year so there
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  you go there's our lineup and yeah should
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  be fun we could even do a wizard of oz month the original
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  classic um along with likes of return
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  to us the sam raimi one who knows watch this
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  space yeah yeah yeah yeah you never
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  know but on that note we are
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  talking today the remake of the 1984 horror
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  film silent night deadly night this is
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  getting pretty good reviews after giving it a weekend and uh doing pretty didn't
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  do well box office because no one really knows about it kind of a quiet release
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  which is fine i don't think it costs much money to make but so i thought about
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  this one and we talk about remakes here all the time now i'm not looking at
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  this is challenging a remake.
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  Silent Night, Deadly Night, you can remake. It's not a good movie.
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  I mean, it's entertaining for what it offers, but at the end of the day,
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  there's a reason why the director went on to direct,
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  Christian films. He's actually a documentarian of Jesus and so forth.
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  His repentance? Night and day.
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  But Jesus was going to punish him if he didn't turn a leaf after making Silent Night, Deadly Night.
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  Quick review. I thought it was a good, I mean, I thought it was competent,
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  especially with the special effects.
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  And I do like the PTSD aspect of it, which was a darker, kind of a darker tone
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  for kind of a comedic film.
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  However, I felt the acting was terrible. The pacing was all over the place.
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  The nudity and the rape scene with the mother a little too much.
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  So I could take it or leave it. So this being remade, go for it.
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  What about the second one? You don't work away.
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  But second there. And then so, but I always say with the remake,
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  you do it, make it your own.
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  Keep, yeah, pretty true to the original source, but make it your own.
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  This one does it quite competently, but we'll see how well it does.
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  I'm not going to compare apples to oranges because, like I said,
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  one is CC movie back in the 80s. This is more of a B grade.
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  But I will certainly – some of the key differences work. Some of them don't.
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  There's a funny thing. The big selling point for Silent Night,
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  Daily Night for me, the original, was the aspect of the PTSD.
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  A little boy being traumatized, then being thrown into a foster care with abusive
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  nuns, and not really being given the proper care that a child would need to
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  deal with seeing such violence.
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  And that was a plus for the film. In fact, a little funny fact,
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  the woman who played Mother Superior.
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  Lillian Chauvin, she made a comment during the chaos when Silent Night was going
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  to be banned by all these assholes who never saw the film and just prejudged it. She said...
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  It's fault of the marketing team that did that because she felt actually the
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  story should have been promoted around the psychological look of Billy and the
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  journey that this child takes and how he becomes what he does become.
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  That's what they said the marketing team should have focused on rather than
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  a killer Santa because they would have given a little gravitas to the makers of the film.
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  And I can kind of see that actually. I would agree
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  with her in many terms basically while
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  the original which I love by the way and I am
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  a fan of it while it is certainly batshit and over
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  the top at times there is that tragic sort of underlying sort of main theme
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  and story about Billy and you know the abuse that he's suffered over the years
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  and stuff yes it goes off the rails and stuff but you know at the same time, it was the 80s, man.
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  You know? You gotta get away. You gotta stop. You gotta get away from that.
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  Makes no sense. No, no, no.
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  I'm sort of joking, but at the same time, you know, it is it's a good story,
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  and it's a lot, I think it's a lot more layered and clever than it gets credit for.
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  Although I would say probably the sequels didn't do it any good,
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  you know, its reputation.
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  But I think it stands up well enough. I think, I mean, it's not a crap film,
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  I'll say that, but I think you need to reverse that.
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  I think you're seeing more than it's actually given.
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  Because if that was the case, this guy would be working,
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  more mainstream. If people saw them, you know, I don't think we're grasping at straws, as they say.
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  I don't think it's the greatest film ever made, but what I'm saying is it's
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  a lot better than it was made out at the time,
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  and certainly throughout the years, and I think there is some serious stuff
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  there alongside the more chaotic.
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  Batshit Santa murdering with an axe stuff, but I enjoy it.
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  But it's a film that can be remade. It's not jaws okay so but it people think
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  there was a remake the 2012 version called silent night that was not a remake
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  of silent night deadly night at all there's no besides a killer santa it has no there is no at all,
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  No parallels. It was made by the guy who made the recent War Wolves that we reviewed.
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  Yeah. It's actually pretty good, guys. You want some violent and gore? Oh, it's brutal.
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  And Donald Logue's in it. He's very funny. I like Donald Logue. Yeah.
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  So check it out. It's very good. They have a little nod to it.
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  They mentioned Garbage Day and stuff like that.
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  But it's its own film. It's not a remake at all.
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  The one we're about to talk about is, this is directed by Mike P. Nelson.
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  You know what? He's got some good street cred so far. Wrong Turn.
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  Wrong Turn reboot, which I thought was pretty good. VHS franchise,
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  which is obviously a nice little franchise in Shudder. And he did a film called The Domestics.
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  A little hidden gem. You guys should check it out. It's pretty good. With Kate Bosworth.
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  It's pretty good. Check it out. So the guy's got some good credit there.
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  Now, what this film does, and this is where I'm teetering on some of the negatives.
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  It plays it dead straight. Okay? So let's remove the laughs.
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  However, there's some sequences that I wanted to laugh at, but was I supposed to?
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  And that's the problem kind of when they're trying, when you're trying to do
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  a happy medium when the original was just batshit crazy.
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  This one plays it straight, but at some point I couldn't tell if it was trying
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  to wink at the audience or not.
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  Yeah, there are certain sequences that
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  it feels like they're trying to be more comedic and
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  over the top comedic but they're just a bit random it's almost like this is
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  competently directed this remake but certainly when it's generally played dead
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  straight but at times it's almost as if yes they can't direct yes they can't
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  play it straight but when it comes to the more comedic stuff,
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  Doesn't work? Yeah. Yeah. We'll definitely dive into what those scenes are.
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  Now, we just saw this film fresh, and I always like to see a movie twice.
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  So all I really could do is went to see it in theater, and then I kind of marinated
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  it for a couple days to kind of give it my final verdict, because I don't think
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  that's fair if we're going to tear something apart or give it a review without,
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  you know, I just didn't want to do it right away.
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  So, but let's dive into it. All right. We got our leads, Billy,
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  or I like to know him as Corey from Halloween Ends.
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  It's pretty much the same character yeah yeah
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  basically we got pamela we got
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  charlie who's the voice in in billy's head yes we'll
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  dig deeper into that one we got dean sims who
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  i like played by david brown he is the the father of uh pamela the shopkeeper
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  yeah we got max the cop terrible red herring not a red herring just terrible
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  plot device we got the snatcher we got george and we I got Daphne, who was the Nazi mom,
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  who was actually quite funny. But,
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  What really works for the film is the opening sequence. It's one of the best
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  shots of the film. It is pretty much the same similar sequence that we got from the original one.
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  Young Billy's there with his parents to see the grandfather.
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  Now, before we get any further, I know you guys all know this.
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  This is spoiler-filled.
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  And the one thing this film does, and it's kind of fun, some of it works,
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  some of it doesn't, it has a lot of misdirects.
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  And some of it, like I said, some works, some fall flat, but it's nice to see that in a slasher.
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  And some, I would say, are totally obvious. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yep. The ones that fall flat.
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  So there you go. If you haven't seen it, it'll probably be on demand in a week
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  or so. All right. If not already.
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  So we meet the parents. It's the same opening. He goes to meet his grandfather.
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  And the grandfather dies while he's talking to him. And we get a glimpse of his janitor.
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  He's kind of the red herring there. kind of looking a lot creepy and,
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  Pedophile-ish. Yep. And as they're going home, they're obviously ambushed like
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  the original, and the parents are both killed.
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  But how they tell the story is it's in bits.
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  So Billy will wake up, and it's a nightmare. So we don't know the whole story
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  of this killer Santa that killed his family until the end or near the end. And it's quite fun.
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  Pretty much, I'm going to go ahead and tell you what it is, just for the review's sake.
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  It's what they decided to do. They took away the rape scene, which is one of Lydia.
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  And what they've decided to do was they get ambushed.
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  This is deliberate attack by the janitor, who is the one who kills both the parents.
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  And as he's killing them, the mother gets a shot off with one of her high-heeled
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  stilettos into his neck.
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  And as he's dying, Billy walks up to him. He's in a Santa suit. and he grabs his hand.
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  This is where it's double-edged sword with me because I like the idea.
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  I just don't like the execution.
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  And so long story short, he holds hands with the janitor as he's dying and his soul...
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  Or his essence goes into Billy. And now Billy has his voice in his head,
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  which is Charlie, who's pretty much going to be his narrator.
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  It's basically a supernatural element that is not in the original at all.
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  It's basically this sort of evil Santa consciousness is transferred from killer
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  to killer. You know, it's like passed down.
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  So the janitor guy, he's basically the original Santa killer.
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  And he as he's done he passes it on
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  to young billy here's but here's the
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  plus part okay there's a twist in this
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  and we don't get this near to the end and so
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  what it is is this janitor sees a lot of ugliness at christmas time and what
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  has happened we find out that the grandfather has signed all the stuff away
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  to his son but it's the parents that actually killed the grandfather they poisoned
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  him with too much medication or something like that.
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  For the money. For the money. And the janitor sees that and that's why the janitor
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  tricks. He's a vigilante.
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  Yeah, it's like a sort of avenging angel type thing.
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  Yeah, and I'm going with that. And he passes on that power, I guess you could
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  say, or that career path.
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  Yeah, it's basically the killer Santa in this version, whoever it may be,
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  only kills people who are bastards undeserving.
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  And it is a fun idea.
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  And it's a smart idea for modern audiences because you're kind of taking away
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  just killing people for the sake of killing people.
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  But if I'm not mistaken, in the original he only kills people that kind of deserve it.
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  Pretty much. So, yeah. They got the Vince. And what they do is he only kills
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  during Christmas, the first 25 days.
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  And he uses an advent calendar with blood. I don't know if it's,
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  I think it's their blood. And he puts his thumbprint.
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  Yeah. Every time he opens up a little window of the advent calendar.
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  And then he only kills for that for 25 days. But it's got to be 25 people.
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  So he's got to be true. It's like a dark twist on the 12 days of Christmas.
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  It's like his killing spree for Christmas. you know.
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  So when he wakes up at a hotel room, he falls asleep. We find out he killed somebody.
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  All right. Yeah. We, at this point, think it's just a random killing.
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  We don't know that he's a good guy technically.
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  So, but this is where I'm saying where there's companies beyond the lens.
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  And I know it's a simple shot, but the cops are going to his hotel room where his dead body is.
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  And he's got to sneak out of there and get out of there before the cops show.
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  So as the cops come around the corner, we see Billy climbing up this TV antenna
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  or whatever it is. Over the roof, yeah.
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  Over the roof, exactly. And it's all timing.
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  But it's a nice shot. I see him come from the side of the hotel,
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  and they see Billy's body just quickly disappearing on the other side of the
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  roof to escape. And this is Max. I believe Max is.
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  I do think it's funny. You got Max, who's a cop here, and it's a small town.
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  And there's a thing going on currently not with Billy, but there's a kidnapping of kids going on.
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  He's called the Snatcher. Yet there's no FBI here.
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  Where's the press as well? The press is just swarming this town.
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  However, you could say the same about weapons. I know it's a different film
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  but that is something that has been brought up about weapons.
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  If 17 children went missing, all just like randomly and magically together war
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  was the, well I think the FBI I wore them weapons, but there was no press? No, they weren't.
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  And they do fix out, one-line fix. I watched the movie again.
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  What's the one-line fix? The kid, you know the little kid who narrates it? Yes, yes, the guard.
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  Yeah, at the end, when she re-narrates, she comes back and narrates. She says...
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  The police never reported their child was missing because, I can't remember
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  what she says, but she does say.
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  Oh, it wouldn't look bad on them type thing? Yeah, they kept it to themselves.
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  Yeah, they're covered up. Yes, I think you're right. Yes, it was covered up.
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  But here, yeah, with these, I mean, it's the same, similar thing,
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  where basically all these kids have been snatched.
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  But like you say, no FBI and no press. It's just like basically a ghost town.
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  It's funny. It's such a small town. I know that's for budgetary reasons.
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  And so is the original town. at night but he's gonna
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  start killing these people and it's like well i guess in all fairness they don't
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  find the bodies right away but yeah do
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  like how i do like the fact when we're told that it's that he's only like little
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  things like okay we meet the first guy george he seems like a nice guy the guy
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  that comes into the store yeah where he gets what he's got the job but yeah
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  yeah and he's kind of handsy with Pamela.
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  Yep. But the dean, the father says, no, he's a good guy.
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  He's just a bit lonely, they say. Yeah. But Charlie, his inner voice tells him he's not.
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  You need to kill him. And he goes to his house and says, guys,
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  the death's hurt, right? They don't hold back with a gore.
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  Yeah, they don't hold back. And obviously his main weapon is the axe.
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  And he just smacks it in the top of his head. But then we find out during a
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  visit when the daughter goes to visit George and the smell of his body that what's that smell?
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  We find out that he actually killed his wife.
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  Yeah. He had her buried under the floorboards type thing. Yeah,
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  exactly. So we didn't know that right away. We didn't know he wasn't killing...
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  Bad guys yet we just knew that he was on a
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  killing spree so when you find out george and then we
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  see that we meet the nazi mother it was quite funny then
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  so we start realizing there's a pattern here the only
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  problem i had with it was i know we're not going to get it
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  as well it may be nitpicking but you got this voice charlie
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  was great voice the guy who uh
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  played the played the voice but I
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  wanted more Columbo and what
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  I mean by that I wanted Billy to do the investigating and we're finding out
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  how he finds out George killed his wife and you know rather than it being spoon
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  fed by Charlie I think that's kind of a cheat yeah I would say that there are
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  some very good ideas on display here including you know.
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  Potentially the mystery of the town and the snatcher and who's behind it and
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  all this here sort of thing and Billy being basically the punisher, the avenging angel.
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  But within the hour and a half run time, they're just not given enough time
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  to breathe or to be properly explored.
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  I think there should have been maybe focused maybe on just one thing overall,
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  you know, instead of a lot of good ideas that aren't given the chance to breathe
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  or aren't fully realized with the end result.
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  Yeah, it makes you wonder if there's going to be another cut out there.
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  But again, that happens a lot, especially with horror films.
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  They're giving a 90, 95-minute run, and that's it.
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  Maybe the original cut, I mean, obviously the original cut will be a lot longer.
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  So it would be interesting to see what was left on the cutting room floor.
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  But it does feel quite, for the story it's trying to tell and the different
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  aspects of the story, it does feel quite roused.
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  And almost as if there's a lot of good ideas just thrown together into a mix, into a blender?
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  Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying. I think they're biting off more than
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  they can chew, in other words.
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  So if you're making a film that has all these really clever twists and turns,
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  you've got to give us a little, you've got to expand this a little more.
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  In order to do that, you need a bigger runtime.
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  So I don't think they really, they could have pulled certain things out of there,
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  even one of the deaths. What they were trying to do, about two hours.
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  I think, well, I wouldn't even go that far. I think, believe it or not,
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  one of the most talked about scenes in the movie could have been cut.
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  The Nazi scene? The Nazi scene. It's very random.
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  Yeah, see, what I said in the beginning- And the tone is all over the place.
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  What I said in the beginning of the podcast, because this is a serious take, and it is, I wasn't sure.
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  This was obviously, the Nazi thing was comedic, but it didn't feel like, it felt out of place.
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  I would have expected that from the original Silent Night, because that was
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  a comedy. We knew that was winking at the audience.
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  This is, there's a sequence where we meet the Nazi mom at the hockey game,
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  and this is where we meet Pamela. We know Pamela has kind of a violent temper.
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  By the way, the most horrible, try to be misdirectful or red herring or whatever
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  you want to title it as, is the Pamela character.
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  We knew she was going to become an as accomplished. Well, also Max, the cop.
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  And Max, I know, not as a snatcher. That one I didn't see.
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  No, but yeah, I mean, it was pretty obvious he was a Roland,
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  you know? Yeah, yeah. But-
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  We're throwing a lot at you guys. So just, you got to see it to understand what
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  we're talking about, really. And that's the problem with new releases.
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  But we see Pamela and her, we see her kid being kind of bullied on the ice rink
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  as we're watching a hockey match.
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  And she goes out there and beats the shit out of these kids.
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  And she gets arrested, but the parents drop the charges, which I actually like that line.
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  Parents drop the charges because if their kids were doing that to your kid,
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  they deserve what they got.
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  And so I did like that line but we're supposed
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  to see her violent temper and she's beating the crap out of a kid with a stocky
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  stick and I'm like am I supposed to be laughing at this or you know what I mean
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  and then there's lines where they use naughty and garbage day and punish but
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  they're played dead straight yeah it doesn't those callbacks you know with the dialogue,
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  don't work it's like I get what they're
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  there for you know their callbacks to the originals stuff but they're not funny
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  you know as those original lines are the naughty and the punny actually I think
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  work a little bit better in this film than the garbage day one but here where
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  they're played dead straight they are more sinister.
• 23:30
  That kind of works. But later on, when the guy in the kitchen says it's garbage
• 23:36
  day, garbage day is an iconic bad line from the sequel.
• 23:43
  And here it's just like thrown in just for the sake of it. It just doesn't work. Yeah.
• 23:49
  And those are things that don't work, especially since you're playing a dead
• 23:52
  straight, there's not much you can do with it.
• 23:54
  And they should just cut it out. because the Nazi scene is very basically yeah
• 24:00
  there's no real apart from we see the Nazi mom being a dick at the hockey match
• 24:06
  there's no real lead up to it all of a sudden he's in a bar and there's these
• 24:10
  people in comedy Nazi outfits,
• 24:14
  and you know so whenever they do get it there's no real payoff for the audience
• 24:18
  apart from the Nazi mom but with all the other ones we've never really we haven't
• 24:25
  spent any time with them so there's no real payoff when they do get it,
• 24:28
  just appears very random and thrown into the mix yeah it's a Nazi Christmas
• 24:33
  party he thinks he's just following her wherever she's going and track her down
• 24:39
  and kill her because he's,
• 24:40
  at this point she's just a mean mom.
• 24:44
  And very abrasive and very abusive so that's why he's going after her,
• 24:49
  he doesn't know she's Nazi so he walks into this you know it's supposed to be
• 24:53
  these fish out of water sequence.
• 24:54
  You know how those movies where the couple goes into a bar and the music stops
• 24:59
  and everyone turns. American Werewolf in London?
• 25:01
  Yeah, or it's like a biker bar or something. Well, this is the same concept,
• 25:04
  but he's coming in there to take her out and then he sees a bunch of Nazis celebrating Christmas.
• 25:10
  Could be funny, but the movie wasn't played for funny, so it doesn't work.
• 25:14
  Yeah, it's very random. And they're playing this crystal song as he's slaughtering
• 25:18
  all these people with an axe and he's supposed to go, ha ha ha.
• 25:21
  I was like, no, it kind of doesn't work.
• 25:23
  I would have remove that entire sequence, focus on going after her, and then,
• 25:28
  that fucking 10 minute sequence we just had of killing Nazis would have been
• 25:32
  better, giving us a little more character development or even a little more
• 25:36
  investigation to how he's catching these people rather than Charlie just going, Oh, go there.
• 25:41
  It's a massive tonal shift just all of a sudden.
• 25:44
  And again, as I was saying, there's no real payoff either because we don't know
• 25:48
  the, they're just like random people.
• 25:50
  It's a body count. Nazi outfits. It's a body count. Yeah.
• 25:54
  Well, he definitely got us 25 kills in.
• 25:58
  You know, for the month. But yeah, then they get that... She gets that cheap
• 26:02
  beheading, which is pretty much an homage to the original one.
• 26:06
  Where she... I was... It's David's... Yeah, it's David's sled.
• 26:09
  She's in a snowmobile. Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:13
  You're deaf, though. Yeah, but I... You know what's funny?
• 26:16
  It would have been better if he follows her, she goes in, and she goes in and
• 26:22
  gets in her snowmobile, and then he disappears, and she's driving along,
• 26:26
  and then whack. The audience doesn't see it coming.
• 26:28
  Then he whacks her head off. That would have been better, and that would have
• 26:31
  been a little bit comedic because we didn't see it coming.
• 26:34
  I don't know. Going into this, I didn't know they were going to be playing it
• 26:38
  so straight for the most part, so I personally was expecting and pretty much
• 26:44
  hoping for it to be all tongue-in-cheek basically a horror comedy,
• 26:49
  so it was a little jarring for me whenever it was playing it
• 26:52
  dead straight but it does open well and i sort of
• 26:54
  was running with it then all of a sudden there's this random sort
• 26:58
  of scene that's played for laughs and the deaths aren't
• 27:01
  even that good i mean the goers good but they're
• 27:04
  not that sort of imaginative or creative and
• 27:08
  then you know other sort of jokes as we mentioned you know
• 27:10
  the garbage day one and stuff falls flat so i
• 27:13
  think they should have i mean if they're gonna if they're gonna play it straight
• 27:17
  go with actual fucking i don't know neo-nazis or something in the bar who would
• 27:22
  be skinheads wouldn't be wearing things like you know basically comedy ss outfits
• 27:27
  nazi uniforms and stuff that was just a bit it's just very out of left field yeah i mean but it does,
• 27:34
  it's the one scene they could have removed but again for a film that's a remake
• 27:38
  of saturday night Deadly Night, I'm going with it.
• 27:40
  And I'll tell you what, it's definitely a fun film.
• 27:44
  And especially what they do instead of having nuns were told the story after
• 27:52
  his parents are killed by Charlie.
• 27:57
  We are finally seeing the whole flashback. Yes.
• 28:01
  And we find out that he was raised in a foster care by this vile woman.
• 28:06
  And the flashback of how she treats these kids is wonderful.
• 28:09
  She's a brutal film. And what's nice about it, it's not the whole film like
• 28:13
  we had for Silent Night, where it's all nuns and we have to go through all this massive data dump.
• 28:17
  They tell it within like a 10-minute window, a flashback of him as young Billy
• 28:22
  being treated by this foster mother.
• 28:23
  And it's quite well done. and it wasn't elongated we got oh here we go well
• 28:30
  her death is very much an homage to the Linnea Quigley death in the original
• 28:36
  yeah I mean the fight scene.
• 28:38
  Is really fun because it's his first kill and he doesn't know how to do it and
• 28:44
  she's kicking his ass and he's kicking her ass and he pretty much gets lucky
• 28:48
  by getting her on the antlers,
• 28:50
  I think that's actually overall I think that's actually the best homage to the original in this?
• 28:57
  Yeah, because the great thing about it, yay, you kind of tackled the nuns,
• 29:00
  you know, backstory, you know, the abusive nuns, but you just flipped it with
• 29:04
  an abusive foster parent.
• 29:06
  And then you also put in the famous death, the antlers in there. Yes.
• 29:10
  Probably the most despicable character in the film, which is the foster parent.
• 29:13
  So it works. There's also a scene which is trying to pay homage to the scene
• 29:18
  in the original where Billy, well, the audience doesn't know whether Billy's
• 29:22
  going to kill a child or not.
• 29:23
  And they have it here, but sadly, they don't
• 29:26
  pull it off either you know where basically billy
• 29:29
  and this remake becomes the the shop santa
• 29:33
  and he has you know the little girl on his knee and stuff
• 29:36
  and it just doesn't have the tension that that scene
• 29:39
  in the original does or the scene that it's paying homage to in
• 29:42
  the original i think what ruins that moment i
• 29:45
  can see your point there but i think what what ruins that
• 29:48
  moment it's not necessarily the actor or no
• 29:51
  it's not the acting it's or the way it's shot i think
• 29:54
  is the voice the voice wouldn't shut the fuck up we
• 29:57
  don't need as an audience we don't need the voice for
• 30:00
  this we would understand that he's the movie
• 30:03
  would have been better if you removed the voice not not completely because i
• 30:07
  do kind of like it but it's too much of a crutch so i think it's basal exposition
• 30:13
  as well the audience would have been the the the filmmakers should have known
• 30:18
  the audience would be smart enough that he's sitting there kids jumping on his leg,
• 30:22
  he's got the rays out and we can just see his eyes moving like he's talking
• 30:26
  to Charlie, but we don't need to hear the conversation. That would have been better.
• 30:30
  Yeah. And then when he puts away the blade, we know that Charlie's probably
• 30:34
  talked him down from doing it.
• 30:36
  That would have been more tense if he got rid of the voice of that scene. Yeah.
• 30:40
  No, yeah, it was lacking attention, whereas the original does have that.
• 30:44
  See, the original is so unique in that there's parts of it are like off-the-wall
• 30:48
  batshit and, you know, just bonkers.
• 30:51
  But there's a sort of deepness to it, you know, there's a depth to it,
• 30:57
  you know, at certain times.
• 31:00
  Whereas here, they're trying to juggle too much and not all of it works.
• 31:03
  Yeah, but a lot of it does.
• 31:05
  Yeah, some of it does, yeah. And it's well acted. You got to understand,
• 31:09
  we're talking about a slasher film.
• 31:11
  And slasher films get a bum rap. Most of them are crap. No kidding.
• 31:15
  We all get that. But this isn't crap.
• 31:17
  This is company-directed. Yes, they got a little arrogant, bit up more than
• 31:21
  they can chew, like the Nazi scene and so forth.
• 31:25
  But it's well-executed, pardon the pun. And I love the whole another side story with the snatcher.
• 31:31
  You've got where they're going after the snatcher.
• 31:38
  And these kids are on that little hidden playroom, which is kind of creepy,
• 31:42
  and the snatcher's in there, and they get the snatcher, but what we don't,
• 31:47
  and they're being followed by Max, the crooked cop.
• 31:49
  We don't really know what Max is. We know Max.
• 31:52
  We're supposed to think that Max thinks that Billy's up to something,
• 31:58
  and all that's all he's doing is following them.
• 32:01
  So when he catches the snatcher, but then Max kills Billy, It's a nice misdirect
• 32:07
  because we find out he's an accomplice with the snatcher.
• 32:12
  Yeah, he's involved in it. I thought that was obvious.
• 32:15
  That guy I didn't catch. No, no, I thought that was pretty obvious.
• 32:19
  Oh, you thought. I'm serious? You did not know he was the snatcher.
• 32:24
  I knew he was involved in some way. I thought it was really obvious because he set up. Oh, shit.
• 32:31
  But no, I'm fucking deadly serious. From the moment he comes into the film,
• 32:35
  whenever she has been arrested for beating up the ones at the hockey game,
• 32:41
  he is set up as a dick from the start.
• 32:44
  So he was either going to be a big red hurry.
• 32:47
  I was hoping and wanting him to be a red hurry and maybe save the day or something,
• 32:51
  but he's not. Yeah, but you're, so you didn't know he was a snatcher.
• 32:58
  I knew he was going to be the bad guy. You knew he was a dick,
• 33:01
  but you just said you knew he was part of the snatcher.
• 33:03
  None of us loved that. I knew he was going to, no, no, I knew he was going to
• 33:06
  be a bad guy in some way. Oh, we knew that.
• 33:09
  But I was hoping that they would flip it and he was just a red herring.
• 33:13
  No, no, I wouldn't say that I knew the exact plot details, that would be a lie.
• 33:17
  But what I'm saying is it was pretty obvious he was going to be a bad guy.
• 33:20
  Yeah, but I think that would have been stupid to have him as a good guy after
• 33:23
  beating the shit out of Pamela.
• 33:25
  You know, it's kind of like, oh, do you want to make this guy a good guy now?
• 33:28
  Well, some sort of redemption arc or something. Not a good guy per se,
• 33:32
  but, you know, I mean, we've already got a sort of a killer Santa who's basically
• 33:38
  an anti-hero. So who knows?
• 33:41
  It's Silent Night, Deadly Night. You know what? You can sit there and say that.
• 33:45
  You can say that with the original, but this one you can't because I got to
• 33:48
  say, this is a fun misdirect.
• 33:52
  Some of it works, some of it doesn't.
• 33:55
  Violent movie and I'm going with it.
• 33:58
  I can see the reviews being fair to this because I like what the direction it
• 34:02
  took and now the ending where he's dying and he passes his aura into Pamela
• 34:10
  and then now Pamela can hear Billy you know.
• 34:14
  Yeah. He's become coming.
• 34:17
  The minute I saw where how Billy got his, how Charlie in his head. His power.
• 34:24
  Yeah. power, I knew he was going to pass that on to Pamela because we already
• 34:27
  see Pamela has a violent temper.
• 34:29
  Yeah. It's just a re-instead in a certain way. Yeah.
• 34:32
  And it's also setting up the sequel. Yes. If it happens. Well,
• 34:36
  I won't. If they do, it's going to be directed and it's going to suck.
• 34:40
  But what would have worked to piggyback on what you're saying,
• 34:44
  it almost would have been better if they...
• 34:49
  Something with Max. They could have done something with Max with the power thing.
• 34:52
  It would have been better.
• 34:54
  I would have been happy enough to just stick with just it's basically post-traumatic stress type thing.
• 35:02
  You still have his parents having bumped off the grandfather and that's why
• 35:07
  he messed him up but I didn't like the supernatural element.
• 35:10
  I thought it didn't belong in a Silent Night, Deadly Night film.
• 35:14
  They don't really pick up. They don't use that really. It's not a big thing,
• 35:18
  but it's only in it for a minute.
• 35:21
  It does jar, though, with me. Yeah, all right. Fair enough.
• 35:25
  But I don't know. I'm giving this a pass. I'm on the fence.
• 35:29
  This is solid filmmaking. So much more competent than the original.
• 35:34
  But to be fair, the original, for that time, had balls.
• 35:43
  This lacks the sort of charm and the humor of the original, which I was hoping
• 35:48
  for getting into this remake but at the same time there is competency there,
• 35:53
  with a lot of it and it's well acted,
• 35:55
  and you know I think if they were going to go with the grim deadly straight
• 36:00
  tone they should have just stuck with it throughout and it would have worked
• 36:03
  better if they had just stuck with the one tone instead of trying to jump back and forward.
• 36:10
  I'm on the fence I'll probably watch it again at some point just to sort of fully decide,
• 36:17
  aspects work and other aspects didn't work for me and jarred for me,
• 36:22
  for me it doesn't have the charm and the humour of the original but it's you
• 36:28
  know it's a remake you can't recreate the 80s you can't recreate a cult classic
• 36:33
  intentionally I mean again,
• 36:38
  Blade Runner,
• 36:40
  thing. Those are cult classics. Okay?
• 36:45
  Silent Night Deadly Night is a cult classic. Oh, it's not. Come on. Absolutely it is.
• 36:50
  It's massively loved by... I'll give you that, but it clack. Yep.
• 36:55
  I will stick them on guns. No, I mean this is a better film than Silent Night.
• 37:00
  Blade Runner's, but the ones you mentioned are studio films.
• 37:03
  Oh, well, maybe not The Thing, but... No, no.
• 37:06
  The Thing and Blade Runner are both cult classics. Cult classics aren't B-movies.
• 37:11
  Cult classics are... They can be both. They can be both.
• 37:15
  They find their footing eventually.
• 37:18
  Silent Night is not talked about every day, like Blade Runner and the Thing.
• 37:21
  No, not as much, but it's still a cult classic for many people, including myself.
• 37:26
  I wouldn't go that far, but it's a cult film. It's my favorite Christmas film.
• 37:30
  It's my favorite Christmas film.
• 37:31
  No, it could be remade. You can tamper with it. Oh, yes, of course.
• 37:36
  I mean, come on. I'm talking, you know, you're not going to remake Blade Runner.
• 37:39
  I'm not saying you can't remake it.
• 37:40
  I mean, you know, but what I'm saying, I mean, you know, generally,
• 37:44
  in general terms, I'm not really a fan of remakes, but, you know,
• 37:47
  it's certainly not one that you can't, you know, not remake.
• 37:52
  So, yeah, I have no issue with that. You know, I'm not going to sort of throw
• 37:55
  a strut over that. I'm just saying it's not as good.
• 37:58
  But then it's It's hard to compare.
• 38:02
  You're talking 40 years later, so it's never going to be the same.
• 38:07
  Yeah. For us, lots of them, guys, lots of gore. Good Mr. X. Some work, some don't.
• 38:14
  Well shot, well acted. Our boy pretty much plays the same character from Halloween,
• 38:21
  but that's why they cast him, probably.
• 38:24
  Rowan Campbell. Is it Rowan? They should have had his brother in it,
• 38:26
  Ricky. They should have had Ricky.
• 38:30
  Maybe he's in the back so they'll make a sequel bring the CMC back.
• 38:38
  Fuck off duck but yeah you'll see a lot of some ladies the Cory character in Halloween Ends,
• 38:46
  Oh, yeah. He's been typecast, that guy. Yeah, no kidding.
• 38:49
  But he's likable in this one. He's a good actor. He can act. Yeah, he's good in this.
• 38:55
  They're all... Actually, and that's another thing. The acting's really good in this.
• 39:00
  Besides... It's solid. I'm sorry. Ruby Nosing isn't the best in this.
• 39:04
  He plays Pamela. I thought she was kind of annoying.
• 39:06
  She's alright. I think overall it's solid, the acting in this.
• 39:09
  I wouldn't say it's great or really good, but it's solid. You would say fucking...
• 39:13
  I remember you would say silent night you'd be like no no
• 39:16
  no the guy who plays billy's brilliant and and
• 39:20
  you're gonna original is perfect it's perfect are
• 39:22
  you kidding me are you fucking it's perfect
• 39:27
  in all its flaws anyway but yeah guys this is a solid solid effort and if you're
• 39:33
  looking for the exact same thing you're not going to get it and i always say
• 39:35
  do something different and they did it whether you like it or not that's on
• 39:39
  you that's your taste but i liked it they did something different definitely
• 39:44
  gets a pass for me. I'm on the fence.
• 39:47
  So, fuck you, Trevor. Yeah.
• 39:50
  Barbie's Day. God. Next up, Home Alone.
• 39:55
  Christmas Magic. I've never seen it. I can't. Yeah, you know what?
• 39:59
  You're a sick. You're a sick person. I'm sick because I don't watch children's films. I've seen.
• 40:05
  You're not going to like Home Alone because it's nice. I don't give a shit about
• 40:09
  children's films, but I will watch it for the podcast, and I will be honest.
• 40:13
  Yeah, I know you won't. And I will watch it in context for what it is, and I will be honest.
• 40:17
  And you know what? I like Drew Pesky. You know what?
• 40:21
  Joe Pesci. Okay. You said pesky.
• 40:24
  Are you going to correct my name? Yeah. No. Brian Blessed. No, no. One time.
• 40:29
  One time. You do it all the time. Twice you did it with Guillermo,
• 40:33
  and you did it with Brian Blessed. Well, how do you say it? How do you say it? It's Guillermo.
• 40:37
  Guillermo del Toro. Wow. It's Brian Blessed. It's Brian Blessed.
• 40:41
  I'm sticking with that one.
• 40:44
  So everybody's wrong, including Brian Blessed. Yep. Fuck him.
• 40:49
  All right. so yeah stick around for home alone it should be a fun one I have
• 40:53
  nothing else to add alright guys that's all we got for you take care.