Latest / Karl and Crew / AI and Spiritual Q&A with Dr. Drew Dickens & Marriage and Family Q&A with Jill Savage
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- 0:56S5: in here. You've got a question about a AI. Artificial
- 1:01S5: intelligence or superintelligence is starting to gain some traction here.
- 1:06S5: 805 557898. Doctor Drew Dickens with us. Give us a call.
- 1:12S5: Any questions about AI? He can handle him if he can't.
- 1:16S5: Ali Khan 805 557898. So what's going on in the
- 1:23S5: world of AI here, my friend?
- 1:26S6: First off, I want to apologize. I shouldn't have laughed
- 1:28S6: when he said that. Ali that was that was horrible
- 1:30S6: thing to say.
- 1:31S2: Oh, that was me laughing.
- 1:35S6: Just ask AI any of the questions that you have exactly. Um, well,
- 1:38S6: someone someone stopped me in church yesterday morning and said, uh,
- 1:42S6: how is it that you're able to stay on top
- 1:43S6: of all this? And I said, man, it changes by
- 1:46S6: the week. He said, it changes by the day. And
- 1:48S6: he was so, so right. Uh, just it's been a
- 1:52S6: consistent theme of mine. Every time I'm on is, oh
- 1:54S6: my gosh, Carl, things are changing again. Yeah. But yeah,
- 1:57S6: it's just it never stops, does it?
- 1:59S5: Okay, so what's going on? What is the latest here?
- 2:03S6: I think the biggest thing right now over the last
- 2:05S6: week or so has been the announcement, the launch of
- 2:08S6: personal agents. And to remind your listeners, um, we're in
- 2:12S6: a time right now of AI called, um, generative AI
- 2:15S6: where it, you ask it a question and it generates
- 2:17S6: an answer. We're moving into, we're in the middle of
- 2:20S6: right now a new era called Agentic. AI think agent
- 2:24S6: and an agent is something autonomous that acts on your
- 2:27S6: behalf for you without really prompting. And, um, you, it
- 2:32S6: starts to get to know you and then it starts
- 2:34S6: to do things for you without even asking. And, uh,
- 2:37S6: this week, we've seen the launch. Last week we saw
- 2:40S6: the launch of two meta, which is Facebook, um, and, uh,
- 2:44S6: and OpenAI and have both come out with a personal agent.
- 2:50S6: Meta's is called muse and OpenAI is called dot. And
- 2:56S6: these are agents that live on your computer 24 over seven,
- 3:00S6: and they start to do little things for you. Hey,
- 3:03S6: I noticed this time of morning you always check your email,
- 3:05S6: so I checked it for you. Here's some things you
- 3:07S6: need to move on, that that kind of thing. So
- 3:09S6: these are personal agents that are evolving now from two
- 3:12S6: of the largest frontier language models.
- 3:16S5: Get your calls in for our experts. Sorry. Real quick here.
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- 3:37S2: 805 557898 Doctor Drew Dickens with us. He's a visionary leader.
- 3:44S2: AI expert, has become a good friend of Carl and crew. Okay,
- 3:48S2: so more on these. What are they called? Personal personal agents.
- 3:54S6: Personal agent okay. Personal agent yeah, I heard you say wow. So.
- 3:58S2: Well, because that's who I mean, someone someone AI checking
- 4:03S2: my email feels a oh, that does not feel good.
- 4:06S2: Is it something you have to opt into, or is
- 4:08S2: that something that it's not going to happen for people
- 4:11S2: who have not said, yes, I want this.
- 4:14S6: Yeah, I've played with both of them. And yes, you
- 4:17S6: have to first encourage it to do that for you.
- 4:20S6: And so that that may be an a boundary that
- 4:23S6: you don't want it to cross. Um, so it may
- 4:26S6: just do something as simple as start helping you. And
- 4:29S6: they're already doing this, uh, helping you with your writing,
- 4:32S6: learning your style. So it may, you know, write an
- 4:35S6: email for you, but, but it won't send it until
- 4:38S6: you approve. You can start setting boundaries for these agents
- 4:41S6: just as you would anybody else that works for you. Um,
- 4:43S6: somebody that comes over to your house and does something
- 4:47S6: for you, you're going to tell it, tell them, you know,
- 4:50S6: don't do this, but don't do that. So they learn
- 4:53S6: over time. But yeah, of course you can opt into these. Um,
- 4:57S6: but yeah, they're going to grow pretty fast.
- 5:00S5: Okay. We got a question for you here, Lee in Cleveland, Ohio.
- 5:03S5: What's your question for Doctor Drew Dickens Lee.
- 5:06S6: Good morning.
- 5:08S7: Good morning. Uh, hi doctor drew. My question is, should
- 5:11S7: we start stockpiling hard copies of the Bible in case
- 5:16S7: AI tries to rewrite digital versions of the Bible? I've
- 5:21S7: been thinking about this for a long time, but we
- 5:23S7: might be here. Let me know. Thank you.
- 5:26S6: Um.
- 5:27S5: What do you say, drew?
- 5:28S6: Uh, such. Yeah, such an important question. Um, I, I
- 5:32S6: don't see AI, uh, destroying printed copies of anything. I think, uh,
- 5:39S6: if I could answer that from a little different direction.
- 5:42S6: I think we need to become more aware of spending
- 5:46S6: time in meditating on the Word of God both day
- 5:49S6: and night that as we come across, uh, situations, Examples
- 5:54S6: where AI may rewrite or may represent Scripture that is not, uh,
- 6:03S6: in that we find in Scripture. I think we need to,
- 6:05S6: we need to know that we need to be discerning
- 6:08S6: just as we do now, even if we're talking to
- 6:10S6: someone that, you know, may, quote, misquote, uh, scripture, we
- 6:15S6: need to know whether or not that's, that's in scripture. Um,
- 6:19S6: so I think we need to be stockpiling and awareness
- 6:21S6: of the word of God for sure. Um, but I
- 6:25S6: wouldn't worry about printed copies, but I think, uh, meditating
- 6:29S6: on it day and night to where we can be
- 6:30S6: discerning on what is truth.
- 6:32S5: I think where Lee's driving at here, and I'm kind of, I'm,
- 6:36S5: I'm curious about this as well. Do we need physical copies?
- 6:39S5: Is there could there come a time when AI begin to, uh,
- 6:47S5: so have have a worldview that sees any proliferation of
- 6:53S5: a marriage is between a man and a woman. Let's
- 6:56S5: say that anchor truth that we find in the Genesis
- 7:00S5: account all the way through Scripture. Could it be that
- 7:05S5: hard copies would be valuable to have? Because AI gets
- 7:09S5: so smart in their worldview, is so corrupted as compared
- 7:13S5: to the truth of God's Word? I think that's where
- 7:15S5: Lee is going.
- 7:17S6: Yeah. So so we're talking about training data and, uh,
- 7:23S6: AI is, uh, there are two, two levels of several
- 7:26S6: different levels of training data. So how a language model
- 7:29S6: and they're all going to be different, whether it's Claude
- 7:32S6: or grok or, you know, uh, ChatGPT, they've all been
- 7:38S6: trained on data. That data is so massive, we can't
- 7:42S6: get our heads around it. But it's, it's everything that
- 7:45S6: humanity has ever created or written or sung or painted.
- 7:49S6: So it's trained on all that. It doesn't really have
- 7:52S6: a bias going into that. It just looks at every
- 7:56S6: the entirety, the corpus of, of human creation. So it
- 8:00S6: really doesn't have a bias like that where it starts
- 8:03S6: to become biased. Is fine tuning training data that you
- 8:07S6: actually do yourself. Um, one of the things that people
- 8:10S6: will ask me a lot is we'll get into an
- 8:12S6: interesting conversation about once you ask it a question and
- 8:16S6: say thank you at the end of it. Sometimes we're,
- 8:19S6: we kind of feel like, uh, thank thanks for that answer. Well,
- 8:22S6: you're inadvertently or intentionally training that, that data. Um, you're
- 8:27S6: saying that's, that's what I want more of this and
- 8:29S6: less of that. And so we inadvertently will train it
- 8:32S6: as we go. So, um, most of the, the language
- 8:37S6: models that are out there now don't have an intentional
- 8:41S6: bias towards one thing or another. Like you, like you
- 8:43S6: were saying as far as gender, um, but over time,
- 8:47S6: as we interact with that, how, how, how it resides,
- 8:51S6: how it lives, if you will, on our system, we
- 8:54S6: begin to train it to be that. So some people,
- 8:58S6: your next door neighbor, it may return answers that sound, um,
- 9:04S6: you know, different than yours. So I go back to
- 9:08S6: we need to learn to be discerning as we engage
- 9:10S6: with it, that it may be different on someone else's
- 9:13S6: than yours.
- 9:14S2: Doctor Drew Dickens with us right now. If you've got
- 9:16S2: a question, just call or text 805 557898. I had
- 9:21S2: lunch with a friend just a couple days ago, and
- 9:23S2: I mentioned, because it was my turn to pick the place.
- 9:26S2: And so I used ChatGPT to narrow down a place
- 9:29S2: that was centrally located between where we were both coming from,
- 9:32S2: easy parking, reasonable price. And so I was telling her
- 9:35S2: this and she said, well, ChatGPT, and she mentioned that
- 9:39S2: ChatGPT had signed some deal where all of our data
- 9:42S2: was being sold, and I wasn't sure I hadn't seen that.
- 9:46S2: Have you heard anything about that? She said that ChatGPT
- 9:49S2: has kind of the widest. gain in terms of what
- 9:52S2: it can do with with inputted information. What do you say?
- 9:59S6: No, I hadn't heard of of of it in that direction.
- 10:02S6: I've heard it from the other direction. If you're familiar with, um, uh, uh,
- 10:08S6: Reddit as a platform that some people will engage with, uh,
- 10:12S6: Reddit sells their information to ChatGPT and Gemini, which is
- 10:21S6: a Google's language model. They sell that data to them. Um,
- 10:27S6: so I've heard of that happening. Um, but, uh, not, uh,
- 10:32S6: of them, um, going out and, and acquiring personal information
- 10:37S6: that way and the information. Oh, there's a, there was
- 10:39S6: an airline as well. Was it frontier? There was an
- 10:41S6: airline recently that went bankrupt. Um, and part of the
- 10:46S6: settlement agreement in the court was they sold all that information,
- 10:51S6: all the personal information to one of the language models.
- 10:54S6: So there are these kinds of conversations going back and forth.
- 10:57S6: The information, the information that they're buying isn't so much
- 11:01S6: credit cards and Social Security. That's I'm not aware of
- 11:05S6: that happening at all. What they're buying are conversations. They
- 11:10S6: want to know how you and I are interacting right now.
- 11:12S6: They they would much rather know what you and your
- 11:16S6: friend talked about at lunch than where you went to lunch.
- 11:20S6: So they want to they want to learn how people talk,
- 11:23S6: how they engage, what comes next in a conversation. If
- 11:27S6: they talk about this, then they're going to end up
- 11:28S6: talking about that. That's what they're looking for are conversations.
- 11:31S6: That's why Reddit was so appealing to them and why
- 11:35S6: they pay, I think $60 million a month or something
- 11:37S6: for that for that conversation.
- 11:40S2: Doctor Drew Dickens, quick follow up to that. What about
- 11:42S2: pictures that are uploaded? Some people really love creating those
- 11:46S2: AI images where they put friends on different, you know,
- 11:49S2: in different backgrounds. And any concerns about uploading pictures that way?
- 11:56S6: It depends upon the model that you're on. Um, they're
- 11:58S6: each a little different meta, which is Facebook. Um, just
- 12:02S6: think of all the data they've got on you. Okay.
- 12:06S6: So yes, their language model is trained on everything, including
- 12:09S6: the pictures that you load onto, onto, onto Facebook. Um,
- 12:13S6: think of Gemini, that language model that's owned by Google.
- 12:16S6: Oh my gosh, you know what? It has all of
- 12:19S6: our search history. So, you know, every time we go
- 12:22S6: in and ask for this or we upload a picture,
- 12:24S6: you know, what's, what's this type of flower or whatever.
- 12:27S6: So it has all that information. Um, so it really
- 12:30S6: depends upon the language model. Uh, Claude for the most part, um,
- 12:35S6: is the most, uh, what would be the word I'm
- 12:39S6: looking for? Um, would, would be the, the most careful. Um,
- 12:44S6: they have the tightest guardrails on what they will and
- 12:46S6: won't do. On the other hand, grok is probably some
- 12:50S6: of the loosest. So it depends upon the language model
- 12:52S6: and again, I would. I would be careful about which
- 12:54S6: one you're engaging with. Um, but yeah, if, if, if
- 12:58S6: we intentionally put it out there onto a platform, then yes,
- 13:01S6: they can definitely use that to learn more and more
- 13:04S6: about how we engage with the world around us.
- 13:08S5: We got a couple calls in here. Ramon in Chicago.
- 13:11S5: What's your question for our expert doctor, Drew Dickens?
- 13:15S8: Yeah. Good morning to all of you. My question is,
- 13:18S8: would you think this AI will play a major role
- 13:22S8: in the revelations where it will be used by the Antichrist?
- 13:27S6: Mhm.
- 13:28S5: Good. Straightforward question, drew.
- 13:31S6: Absolutely. Eschatology or end times theology is such a popular
- 13:36S6: topic and one that I write on, uh, a lot.
- 13:39S6: Quite a bit. Um, could the enemy use AI as
- 13:43S6: a tool to deceive? 100%, yes. Um, could the Holy
- 13:49S6: Spirit use it as a tool to communicate positive messages
- 13:53S6: as well? 100%. Um, so I, I often go back
- 13:59S6: to the printing press. The printing press was used Gutenberg
- 14:04S6: 500 some odd years ago. Um, as a to print
- 14:08S6: the first copies of the Bible. So what an incredible
- 14:11S6: tool that was. At the same time, it can be
- 14:13S6: used to print horrible things as well. So it is a,
- 14:19S6: it is a neutral tool at its most base. Um,
- 14:23S6: but absolutely the enemy can use it, but so can
- 14:27S6: the Holy Spirit for good as well. So with that,
- 14:31S6: going back to the theme that I started with, we
- 14:33S6: need to be discerning. And, uh, what is what we
- 14:36S6: see echoed in Scripture is what we see echoed in
- 14:39S6: wise counsel. So we need to be going with eyes
- 14:43S6: wide open.
- 14:45S5: Doctor Drew Dickens. You can learn so much by just
- 14:48S5: getting to his website. Ali, you have got the information here, sister.
- 14:52S2: Just text drew to 805 557898, drew to 805 557898.
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- 15:04S1: Ask the Experts week with curl and crew.
- 15:07S5: It's Carl and crew and we're doing ask the experts
- 15:10S5: today warming up to by the way, tomorrow kicks off
- 15:13S5: share in earnest and just grateful for so many of
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- 15:31S5: jump in with gusto tomorrow and for the balance of
- 15:35S5: the week. But today, ask the experts. We got a
- 15:37S5: great one coming up here right now.
- 15:39S2: We do. Jill Savage, she's author, blogger, international speaker. She
- 15:43S2: hosts the No More Perfect podcast. A couple of books,
- 15:47S2: no more perfect marriages, no more perfect kids. She's all
- 15:51S2: about helping you keep it real in your marriage and
- 15:54S2: your parenting.
- 15:55S5: Yeah. So give us your calls. You got a question
- 15:57S5: for Jill Savage 805 557898 805 557898. Jill. What's what? Why, why?
- 16:10S5: No more perfect marriages, for crying out loud. I thought,
- 16:12S5: we're aiming for perfection here.
- 16:16S9: You know, I think that the most important thing for
- 16:19S9: us to do is actually have some realistic expectations about
- 16:24S9: the relationships. Because, uh, I once heard somebody say that
- 16:28S9: unrealistic expectations are preconceived resentments. And, uh, I have found
- 16:35S9: that to be true. So let's, uh, let's be honest
- 16:39S9: about the hard stuff. Uh, let's talk about the hard stuff.
- 16:44S9: Let's have some realistic expectations about our partners, our spouses,
- 16:49S9: our kids. And what I find is when I have
- 16:53S9: realistic expectations about my marriage, about my kids, my content,
- 16:59S9: excuse me, my contentment goes up.
- 17:03S2: When your when your expectations are kind of right sized.
- 17:06S2: Is that what you're saying? Jill.
- 17:08S9: That would be correct. Yes.
- 17:10S2: Jill Savage with us this morning. I know you along
- 17:12S2: with your husband, Mark. You guys have an incredible ministry
- 17:16S2: to form to help marriages when marriages come to you guys.
- 17:21S2: What are some of the common things that have brought
- 17:24S2: people to the place where there's some sort of fractured discord?
- 17:29S9: You know, we have probably equal parts, those that are
- 17:33S9: in crisis because they've, uh, found out there's been some
- 17:37S9: sort of betrayal. But sometimes it's honestly what we call
- 17:41S9: the slow fades and we talk about the slow fades
- 17:45S9: in our No More Perfect Marriages book. And those are
- 17:48S9: what I call connection erosions. That is when connection erodes
- 17:54S9: in our marriage over just, you know, every day, little
- 17:59S9: bits of places where maybe we respond with defensiveness instead
- 18:04S9: of humility. Or maybe we have unrealistic expectations day in
- 18:08S9: and day out. And so our partner feels constantly criticized.
- 18:12S9: And those actually pull our hearts apart one little quarter
- 18:17S9: inch at a time. And it's not like there's some
- 18:20S9: big crisis, but all of a sudden we're going, I
- 18:23S9: don't feel connected. I don't even know if I love you.
- 18:27S9: You know, those are the kind of things that start
- 18:29S9: to pull a marriage apart just as much as those
- 18:33S9: places where there's some big crisis. And so I would
- 18:36S9: say it's half and half. And both, you know, you
- 18:41S9: do you know that the average marriage waits six years
- 18:45S9: to get help past the point they should have? Wow.
- 18:50S5: And a long haul. Yeah. And you're just building up
- 18:52S5: bricks between your spouse? Yeah.
- 18:55S9: Yes. That's a great way to put it. And that
- 18:58S9: wall gets thicker and thicker and it can be taken down.
- 19:01S9: But the sooner you ask for help, the sooner you
- 19:04S9: get help, the the less wall you have to take down.
- 19:08S5: Okay, we got a question that came in via text here.
- 19:11S5: A man has his wife separating, going to live with
- 19:15S5: her mom. And we get a big insight here. She's
- 19:19S5: there's she's wanting to be more independent, maybe wants to
- 19:22S5: work things out, but no guarantees. And then here's the
- 19:25S5: telltale sign. She blames me for being too controlling, trying
- 19:29S5: to shape her into what she isn't. I believe she's
- 19:32S5: referring to me mentoring her with scripture. Anytime I see
- 19:36S5: her doing something that the Bible says is wrong. All right,
- 19:40S5: this is low hanging fruit here. Jill, what do you
- 19:42S5: say to this gentleman?
- 19:44S9: I would say that the Holy Spirit does not need
- 19:47S9: your help.
- 19:47S5: Yes, sir.
- 19:49S9: I would say that it's probably time to look in
- 19:53S9: the mirror and to recognize how you have been tearing
- 19:58S9: down her and how your, um. Well, I think that's
- 20:04S9: probably good hearted. I think that you maybe have a
- 20:07S9: good desire in place. The Holy Spirit doesn't need your help.
- 20:12S9: He calls you to love her. And I think that
- 20:16S9: learning what that looks like not correct her, not change her,
- 20:21S9: but love her and pray for her might make a
- 20:24S9: huge change in your relationship.
- 20:27S5: Yeah, I'm going to jump in here because this is
- 20:29S5: in a bit of my wheelhouse and he's a dude,
- 20:31S5: so I'm going to shoot it straight. I gotta tell you,
- 20:34S5: my man, I need you to listen to me. You
- 20:36S5: need to go repent and ask your wife for forgiveness.
- 20:39S5: I've seen a lot of rock stars in marriage that
- 20:41S5: know the Word of God, probably better than you, and
- 20:44S5: they would never wield the sword of the spirit in
- 20:46S5: that way toward their wife. There's lots of ways to
- 20:50S5: see people change, but preaching at them rather than loving
- 20:54S5: them first is not the manner in which to do it.
- 20:56S5: So I love you enough to tell you you're so
- 20:58S5: far out of bounds here, it's almost scary. So you
- 21:01S5: got to go and repent to your bride and let
- 21:03S5: her know I've really blown it. Honey. I've been trying
- 21:06S5: to be the Holy Spirit, as Jill said, and that's
- 21:09S5: not my job. Are there issues, Jill? Certainly, that come
- 21:13S5: up that we open the word. But again, out of
- 21:16S5: all the rock star marriages I've met and I know
- 21:18S5: some theologically node up men, they don't open the word
- 21:21S5: and preach at their wife. It just doesn't work that way.
- 21:25S9: No, we open the word as a mirror to ourselves.
- 21:29S9: And so that's what we open the word for. We
- 21:32S9: let the word guide us and lead us.
- 21:35S2: Yeah. Questions for Jill Savage, our guest. questions on marriage,
- 21:40S2: maybe parenting, adult children 805 557898, 805 557898.
- 21:48S5: Let's get Derek in here. First time caller from Georgia.
- 21:50S5: What do you say, Derek? What's your question for our expert?
- 21:54S10: Uh, yes, this is kind of off the subject here, but, um,
- 21:56S10: I was wondering if a man is married to a
- 21:59S10: woman and the woman was divorced, but her grounds for
- 22:04S10: divorce was not adultery. Um. Is that man committing adultery
- 22:10S10: by being married to her?
- 22:12S5: Yeah, that's a good question. What do you say, Jill?
- 22:16S9: Uh, that is that is probably a little out of
- 22:19S9: my wheelhouse because from a theological perspective, that's going to
- 22:22S9: be a place that I'm, um, you know, that I'm
- 22:26S9: probably not comfortable addressing as much as you are. Carl,
- 22:29S9: I'll defer to you on that.
- 22:31S5: Well, let me take that one. Derek. Uh, here's what
- 22:33S5: I'd say, my man. Uh, look, here's Here's what you
- 22:38S5: need to know. First off, there are more than one
- 22:41S5: grounds for marriage. One is adultery, for sure. And by
- 22:45S5: the way, God's. God's constantly looking for miracles even in
- 22:50S5: adulterous situations. If you're looking for a way out, you've
- 22:53S5: got the wrong heart posture to begin with. Second would
- 22:56S5: be abandonment. And I'm talking about abandonment to the point
- 23:01S5: where that spouse is really being neglected physically, emotionally, and
- 23:08S5: those those are handled on a case by case basis.
- 23:14S5: And although I will say that there are some of
- 23:18S5: you that have stepped into a real challenge spiritually because
- 23:23S5: there's been splitting of the sheets when they're biblically was
- 23:26S5: not grace. For that, there is grace on the other end. Now,
- 23:31S5: this is what I prescribe men and women to do.
- 23:35S5: There could be a case where you now look back
- 23:38S5: and go, boy, I left and I didn't have grounds.
- 23:40S5: I think doing everything you can to make amends with
- 23:44S5: what you did and what you need to own is vital.
- 23:49S5: Today is a new day. But again, if your motivation
- 23:52S5: is to get out from under someone and now the
- 23:54S5: Holy Spirit tells you you did it wrongly, going back
- 23:58S5: and making amends by asking for forgiveness, maybe with a
- 24:03S5: third party, but it is vital. Can God start all
- 24:08S5: things new? Is there new mercy? Is there new grace today? Yes,
- 24:12S5: but that would be my counsel. Anything you want to
- 24:15S5: add there, Jill?
- 24:16S9: No, actually I was I was thinking right along the
- 24:19S9: same lines as, uh, grace as well. What I would
- 24:23S9: add to that is going back and making it right
- 24:26S9: doesn't necessarily mean at that point there might be a relationship.
- 24:31S5: No, no, that's done. That's done. Right?
- 24:34S9: That's correct. I just want to clarify that.
- 24:36S5: No. Yeah. Oh, boy. We gotta be clear on this
- 24:40S5: stuff today. Okay. Coming up here, taking questions. We're getting
- 24:43S5: a lot of calls in. We'll try to get them
- 24:44S5: in lightning round for our expert, Jill Savage 805 5578, 98.
- 24:53S1: You've got questions. They've got answers. It's Ask the Experts
- 24:57S1: week with Carl and crew.
- 24:59S2: Ask the expert this morning on Carl and crew right
- 25:01S2: now taking your calls and questions for our guest, Jill Savage. Uh, Pam,
- 25:06S2: first time caller calling in from Indianapolis. Give us your
- 25:09S2: question for Jill.
- 25:11S11: Yes. Good morning. Um, I have three girls. One of
- 25:14S11: them is, uh, LGBT and married to another woman. My
- 25:19S11: other two daughters are finding a revival in their faith,
- 25:23S11: and they have younger children, and they have just recently
- 25:27S11: said they don't want to do any family activities. If
- 25:30S11: that includes my other daughter, because they don't want their kids,
- 25:36S11: you know, they don't want it to look like we're
- 25:37S11: accepting that lifestyle. Uh, I've been very clear with my
- 25:41S11: LGBT daughter and, you know, I love her. I don't
- 25:44S11: love her lifestyle, but I'm just torn, like, I don't
- 25:46S11: know what to do. I can't do family activities anymore.
- 25:50S5: Good question. What do you say, Jill?
- 25:52S9: Um, first, I just want to say I'm sorry. I
- 25:55S9: know that that from one mother to another, I know
- 25:58S9: that breaks your heart, and that is difficult. And, um, we, uh,
- 26:04S9: have walked this out to some degree in our own family. And, uh,
- 26:08S9: one of the things I think you're already here. Obviously,
- 26:11S9: your girls are not already here, and that is that
- 26:14S9: agreeing with does not or accepting does not mean agreeing with.
- 26:19S9: But a lot of people misunderstand that. They think if
- 26:22S9: I accept this person, if I accept the reality of
- 26:25S9: where they are in their journey, it means I'm agreeing
- 26:28S9: with them. And so I want you to understand it doesn't. Um,
- 26:33S9: and so, uh, first I just, I want to affirm
- 26:37S9: you on that. Second, I think that the hardest thing
- 26:41S9: as our kids become adult kids and I talk about
- 26:43S9: this in my empty nest full life book. Um, and
- 26:47S9: that is that we have to let our adult kids
- 26:50S9: make their own decisions. And obviously, you've had to do
- 26:54S9: that with your child that is walking in that LGBTQ lifestyle. But, um,
- 27:00S9: you also have to do that with your daughters that
- 27:03S9: have made like a boundary in their life. And so
- 27:08S9: you may have to navigate relationships separately, but lead by example.
- 27:13S9: That would be what I would encourage you. You're already
- 27:16S9: doing that, and it may take time for them to
- 27:20S9: change their perspective. Um, but that would be my encouragement
- 27:25S9: to you.
- 27:25S5: Yeah. Good word. Jill. I appreciate that. Clearly staking out
- 27:29S5: where you stand on morality and at the same time saying,
- 27:34S5: I love you. I certainly think you're ripping yourself off.
- 27:39S5: I don't think you're going to take hold of the
- 27:41S5: life you think you're going to, but I'm going to
- 27:45S5: be here for you. I love you still. Good stuff, Jill.
- 27:48S5: Appreciate it. We had someone call in. They couldn't stay
- 27:51S5: on the phone. How do you start trusting your husband again?
- 27:56S5: I'm filling in the blanks. Dot, dot, dot. When he
- 27:59S5: straight up cheats on you, what do you say, Jill?
- 28:02S9: Oh, yeah. Well, um, the formula for rebuilding trust is
- 28:08S9: consistent change behavior over time. And so, um, it's the
- 28:13S9: only time in marriage that words don't matter. Uh, words
- 28:17S9: don't matter when it comes to rebuilding trust. What matters
- 28:20S9: is when the actions match up to the words day
- 28:24S9: after day after day after day. And it takes time.
- 28:28S9: There is no I, Mark and I when we teach
- 28:31S9: on rebuilding trust, we liken it to a bathtub that
- 28:35S9: has been emptied. That was the trust, was the water
- 28:38S9: in the bathtub. And you can't just say, I'm sorry,
- 28:41S9: I'll never do it again and turn the water on
- 28:43S9: and fill the tub back up. You have to fill
- 28:46S9: the tub back up one tablespoon at a time. And
- 28:51S9: so it takes time. It takes what we call pushing accountability.
- 28:55S9: And when you push accountability, you're you're saying, you know,
- 28:59S9: this was key in our story because Mark broke my trust.
- 29:02S9: And when he what he did is he, instead of
- 29:05S9: making me police him, he pushed information to me day in,
- 29:11S9: day out. And that began to build trust over time.
- 29:15S5: Yeah. This that is phenomenal counsel. Boom crew. It's the
- 29:20S5: one time words don't matter. And I think there's a
- 29:23S5: lot of spouses, Jill, who feel like well, he's told me,
- 29:27S5: forgive me, I that can be a challenge. Jill Savage.