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Sister Wives S4 E1 - Sister Wives Separated · My Sister Wives Podcast

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  What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
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  Goodbye. You shut it off.
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  Do not twist my words. Do not.
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  Make me a victim, sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
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  That's what you saw that day. Just the knife in the kidneys
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  over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to love
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  you. Hello listeners, welcome back to
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  my Sister Wives podcast, A new year and a new season.
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  Season 4 of this delightfully trashy rewatch show where we
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  rewatch Sister Wives starting out this new year with the new
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  season and we have an update on our Deadbeat Loser crew.
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  So exciting. Allie will not be joining us on
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  this season of My Sister Eyes podcast.
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  We wish her well and maybe one day she'll be back here on the
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  microphone with us. Who knows, but for the time
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  being, I'm happy to introduce my good friend that I've known for
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  many, many years, Kimber. Hello, Kimber.
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  Hello. Hi, now for those of you on
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  Patreon who have joined us, you've probably heard of Kimber
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  already. We've done a conversations
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  piece. We have another show starting
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  this month called Am I the Asshole where we review Am I the
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  Asshole? Post on Reddit and Kimber is
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  joining me for my Sister Wives podcast season 4.
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  Oh my gosh. Let's do a little overview of
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  what you know of Sister Wives. OK OK, now Kimber and I have a
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  shared. We've both existed in the world
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  of TLC in this weird way, and I think if I'm correct in saying
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  you have watched primarily up until now with Sister Wives and
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  are somewhat familiar with where the family goes, give us some
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  details. Yes I watched back when it first
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  aired. The first few seasons I watched
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  and then my upkeep with the Browns has been basically what I
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  see on TikTok or other social media.
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  You know, people trash talking or showing clips or just little
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  like tidbits about them, Yeah. Which is funny because no one
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  trash talks to Brown family. They're they're America's
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  family. Right.
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  I'm very excited to be here with you and to be doing this and
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  talking sister wives together. Oh my gosh, you're going to be
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  bringing your boundless insights.
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  About the Browns. About the Browns.
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  Browns boundless insights. Yes, yes, there's a whole
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  spectrum from shit stained a mustard seed, my favorite
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  comments and people are like, why do they talk about shit
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  stains and mustard seeds? And I'm like, Oh my gosh, you
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  have to listen to more than one episode or just, you know,
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  logical deduction. But yeah, yeah, who am I to
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  judge? That's the only reason I'm here
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  is to judge. On this episode, we open at
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  Robyn's house and the bottom third says that it's October
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  2011, where we're doing our flashback footage to Robyn
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  giving her very silent birth. It was very, very quiet.
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  She didn't have much to say. Oh my gosh.
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  Weirdly quiet and way too many people joining in on things way
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  too soon after. You pointed out when we were
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  watching the episode together, Stepdaddy, Uncle, whatever his
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  name is, her stepdad in the room with the camera.
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  And I was reiterating that sometimes the senior members of
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  the family are there to give blessings, the men, because only
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  men can of course, get blessings because it's a cult.
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  So why was Robyn's mom not there?
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  Still don't know. Where was Robyn's mom?
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  No idea. But her stepdaddy could be
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  there, which was so nice. And you were saying something
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  like, there's a lot of stuff that happens with birth A.
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  Lot of stuff, it's messy. Yeah, and I said, well, they put
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  down a pee pad and you were like, right.
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  Yeah, they literally do that at hospital too, except for you're
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  at a hospital and you're not on your own sheets so.
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  Yeah, yeah. There was a lot of family
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  members around, a lot of people. Well, during the birth it was
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  pretty much Kody, midwife, midwife's assistant.
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  The girls came in and out, but there was at least one or two
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  camp like production crew in the room, so that's interesting.
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  Robyn seemed pretty comfortable with just pushing that baby out
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  and that was that. I mean, she was in her zone.
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  She probably wasn't really too worried about everyone else
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  around her, so, you know. That makes sense.
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  They give us a flashback to everyone coming to visit the
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  baby, all of the kids and all of the other wives.
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  Literally right after she had the baby and it's like, oh, call
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  everyone to come here and she probably still hasn't even
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  birthed the placenta. Let's bring them on in.
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  Bring them on in, bring them all in.
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  They do do a cutaway to the kids on the couch.
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  And Aspen said that Solomon looks like Hunter, which I
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  thought was pretty cute because there was that moment of Hunter
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  holding Solomon at the end of the last episode in season 3.
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  And I found it to be a touching moment because you know,
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  Hunters, they'll bit, you know, teenage boy.
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  And Robyn has a big sensitivity to like, he doesn't seem to like
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  me. And it's like, OK, bitch.
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  Like so the 13 year old boy doesn't like you like, get a
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  grip. But then when he's holding Saul,
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  it's like, oh, little heartwarming moment.
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  At least it warmed to my frigid heart.
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  We get an update from Kody where he says that Solomon is 2 months
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  old. And they do another flashback to
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  Robyn offering Meri to be a surrogate, which was a big thing
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  at the end of last season because obviously it's a big
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  gesture, a little weird. I think based on some of the
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  comments that I was reading online, people were generally on
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  the side of this is creepy, this is strange, This is not going to
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  work out well. There's no way it would.
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  Yeah, I, you know, my initial reaction was like, I don't know,
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  I had a sister-in-law offer surrogacy to me and it was
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  really touching. So I didn't really jump to that
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  conclusion. But then after hearing that from
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  others, I was like, oh, totally. Because it's like you're going
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  to carry your husband's other wives baby and then like that's
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  a whole mess, whole complicated bit A.
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  Little self-serving too, probably.
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  Yeah, and when Robyn, Robyn was talking about it, I noticed that
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  when she was having her spotlight moment, she actually
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  had her hair and makeup. Did her hair looked like someone
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  else did it for her? Which was perhaps the first
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  time, other than, like, television appearances where
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  I've noted one of the wives looking like, well, she doesn't
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  look awful. So that was interesting.
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  Yes. And Robyn lets us know that Meri
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  is thinking it over. You know, Robyn had to point out
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  that, you know, Solomon has to be old enough so that I can have
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  another baby and blah, blah, blah.
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  And it was like, shut up, bitch. Like, no one cares.
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  No one cares. Like give me a year for my womb
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  to heal and then I'm ready for you, Meri.
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  I'm ready for you, Meri. Oh boy.
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  Yeah. Oh.
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  My God, I just had a visual of Robyn with her like legs spread,
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  being like, I'm ready before you marry.
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  You're like, oh God, no, no, it's not right.
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  Kody says that the family is busy.
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  They have a new child, They're trying to get new homes, they're
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  starting businesses. They are just all over the
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  place, these Browns. Starting businesses, real
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  estate, and they're big old real estate thing.
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  They're going to be real estate moguls, they're going to open a
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  gym. They're just going to be so
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  busy. At this point, all we've heard
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  from Robyn is some rumblings and mumblings of things that she
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  wants to do. By the end of this episode,
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  we'll hear about what her ambitions are.
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  Yeah. While they're on the couch, they
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  talk about how the family has rented A10 bedroom house to
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  celebrate Christmas, their first Christmas in Las Vegas.
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  And what do they call it? The Christmas they.
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  Call it literally the Christmas vacation home.
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  Very clever title. Yeah.
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  I mean, it is what it is. It's a Christmas vacation home.
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  Christmas. Vacation home.
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  I wonder how far out of town it was or whatever because I don't
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  know. They made it seem like it was in
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  town and it is in town but I don't know.
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  The house was also odd, like it was a weird house.
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  They gave it its own lower third too, like as they were cutting
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  to the Christmas house and it said that'll cross the bottom.
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  I'm like, Oh my God. It's it's a very special place,
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  many beautiful memories made. With weird statues There were
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  like some odd statues throughout the.
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  House. Oh God, we'll get to the
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  interior in a second. They cut to all the adults
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  meeting Mona to look at properties.
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  Now, you know, this show, the editing is all over the place.
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  So it's like, OK, all of a sudden we're going to go look at
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  properties. And there's like option A,
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  option B and option C Option A we did see at the end of last
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  season, which was the cul-de-sac properties where Kody thinks
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  that he can envision all four of his wives in each home.
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  And Robyn can yell, is Aurora over there?
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  Can you spare me a cup of milk and I could shove her face into
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  the curb? Kody says that the biggest
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  challenge with Property A is the price, Of course, because of
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  course it has to be expensive. Yep.
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  When they go to option B, they discuss how it's out of the
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  school zones for elementary and middle school.
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  At least Meri's pretty sure that it's not.
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  The middle school is not there and whatever.
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  And I don't even remember what was that option B like.
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  Maybe there was one house and they were like you could build
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  the other. Three, there was one 2800 square
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  foot home that already existed there.
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  When they could have horses and chickens and whatever.
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  And so I don't remember his Christine was like all the
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  chickens. Because it's like, you know,
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  Kody fancies himself a ranch hand.
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  So he, you know, typical man, too, Like, let's have all these
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  animals so that someone else will take care of them because,
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  like, what? Kody's going to be out there,
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  like taking care of the chickens.
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  Yeah. Give me a break.
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  Yeah, they are. It's not easy.
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  Anytime a friend is like chickens, I'm like shoot it.
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  No stop, stop. Don't do it now.
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  If you do it and you love it, congratulations.
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  The average person is probably going to be like this is too
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  much work. Yeah, you do it and you spend
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  all that money and make a chicken coop and get the
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  chickens, and then you're like, oh, crap.
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  Yeah, yeah. And I have to clean their coop
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  every single day. No, thank you.
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  Now, Kimber, I could see you out there on your hands and knees
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  cleaning a chicken coop. Do you think so?
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  The only reason I would like chickens.
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  Just being honest here. Yeah, they eat bugs.
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  So. If you let them roam in your
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  yard, they would eat bugs out of your yard that you like.
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  Don't want? Well.
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  That would be good. And now I'm imagining, you know,
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  like, the English countryside with, like, you know, very
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  Madonna when she was with Guy Ritchie, like, oh, I feed the
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  chickens and whatever. But it's like this.
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  That's not what's happening in the, like, Dead End St. in
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  Vegas. Yeah.
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  That's not where my dead end St. here.
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  Like hello boys would be chasing those chickens.
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  Those chickens all around. Imagine all those kids too with
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  chickens chasing those poor chickens around.
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  Those chickens would be like constantly fearing for their
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  life just because of all of the brown children all.
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  Of the children everywhere yes while they're discussing their
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  potential homes that they would build here on option B,
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  Christine says that she wants a wrestling room now this is
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  because you know Kody is a wrestling star he was like
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  Allstate blah blah blah he really knows how to wear a
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  singlet he really loves to wear a singlet oh.
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  My. God, yeah, that man.
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  And he likes to smell other sweaty men and, like, wrestle
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  them to the ground. He's really into that, and
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  Christine refers to this wrestling room as her anger room
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  where everyone can just get out their aggression, which I love.
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  Yeah, wrestling room for the boys to get their aggression
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  out. Yeah.
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  And she would just send them up there and be like, go to the
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  wrestling room or the anger room.
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  The anger room, Yeah, Which is funny because, I mean, you have
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  two young boys and I think you could enjoy a wrestling room if
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  it meant, like, go in that padded room.
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  If it was padded, I was going to say if it was fully padded, we
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  don't need any heads going through walls either like.
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  Exactly. Exactly.
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  I don't know if you want that confined to a room either.
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  Oh, and the room would smell great.
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  Yeah, it would smell 1 you. Could you wouldn't have any time
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  to work. You'd have to split your time
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  between the chicken coop and picking up all the poop and then
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  bleaching the shit out of the wrestling.
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  Lots of ringworm would be going around the house I feel like if
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  you had a wrestling. That's all the brown needs is
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  more diseases. The Brown family, you know, just
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  like, shit around everywhere. Ring where Amanda Athlete's
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  foot. Yeah, Oh, beautiful, beautiful
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  option. CI Think it was Janelle that
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  said it had tumbleweeds. And I was like, OK, it was like
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  up by the hills and the mountains.
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  It was a little far out of town, had a view of the city where I
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  think Robyn trash talked the view, making it like, why would
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  you want to see the view of the city?
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  And it's like, well, most cities are attractive at night, like
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  the lights. I mean, I don't know that Vegas
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  is necessarily Uber beautiful at night, but I don't think it
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  would be ugly. Yeah, that was a weird comment.
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  I suppose some people would prefer just to look out at
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  wildlife in nature, but we're city folks, so we get the city
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  view thing. Yeah, yeah.
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  Also, while they were on this Option C and discussing the
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  tumbleweeds, there was country music playing in the background.
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  And I was like, sometimes I love the production on this show
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  because they'll be so literal, Like, let's play honky tonk
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  music with the tumbleweed discussion.
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  Like, all right. They cut back to the couch and
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  all the adults agree that option A is their favorite option.
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  And they kind of have a celebratory moment where they're
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  like, we all agree on something. And it's like, OK, like.
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  Ding Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. Finally, we all agree on
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  something and they're like so overly excited about it because
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  that never happens. When in all reality, it's like,
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  well, of course this is the option.
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  Like, what was someone going to be like?
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  No, I want the tumbleweeds or I want the one where my kids can't
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  go to the same school. Like, I don't know.
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  I want the one where it has the one house built and whoever gets
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  stuck with the old house and not the new ones going to be so
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  happy. And Janelle would probably be
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  like, I'll take the current one, like it doesn't matter which is
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  just yeah, I hate saying that because Janelle doesn't deserve
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  to have the old. Shitty.
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  No, she doesn't. She's the one that works the
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  hardest out of the, like, everybody, Yeah.
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  But all the other wives would be like, well, I'm not taking the
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  shitty old house. And it's like, Oh my gosh, the
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  shitty old house. It's probably not even shitty,
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  but we're going to call it the shitty.
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  The shitty old. House After this consensus is
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  made that option A is the best. Then we get Christmas music
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  playing because it's the holidays now, a time of
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  recording. This is pretty funny because
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  Christmas just happened for us in real time.
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  And in the show Christmas is just a few days away.
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  They let us know. So it's like we're reliving the
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  holidays now in the year of our Lord, 2026 currently right now,
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  but 2025 Christmas is what just passed.
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  And it was like the year of influenza, like everyone was
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  sick everywhere. And so my Christmas was full of
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  sick. It was not pleasant.
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  I was ill. How was your Christmas, darling?
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  The same sick kids, sick husband.
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  And I thought I had avoided it, and I was so happy that I had
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  avoided the plague. And then Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.
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  It came for me too. Yeah, yeah.
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  I was just the last of the horde to get it.
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  Oh, of course, Of course. Yeah.
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  Well, and I was having flashbacks to the brown
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  Christmas when they go to the cabin and everyone's sick and
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  they're all coughing the entire time and I'm like, Oh my God.
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  Like, horrible. Gross.
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  Can you imagine being the crew, like the camera crew that was
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  there and in that little house in space with them?
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  Yeah, yeah, that'd be nasty. Because it's like unavoidable,
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  Like it's just going to happen. Like you're going to get sick.
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  Like it is what it is. Yeah, and it's not even your own
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  family. So like you're.
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  Yeah, yeah, sharing it with. Go film these polygamous
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  celebrating Christmas and they're all sick.
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  And it was probably right before the holidays.
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  So it's like, great, now I get to go home and not be sick for
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  my holiday. Meri and Robyn go shopping for
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  gifts for the other sister wives and they love shopping and
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  they're showing them looking at rings and talking about the
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  things. And then we get a lovely voice
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  over from Christine where she says she doesn't like shopping
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  with Meri and Robyn. And then she makes fun of them
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  for how they choose things. And it's kind of funny because
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  then there's a moment where she's like, just because there's
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  four sister wives doesn't mean we have to do everything
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  together. And then there was like a pause,
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  and then they all start laughing.
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  And it was pretty silly. She obviously was like, yeah, I
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  can't stand shopping with them. But then they they were like
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  cutting to clips of them doing that.
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  Yeah, they were. That's what she was making fun
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  of them for. Looking at those big ass ugly
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  old necklaces. Sorry, yes, those necklaces were
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  so popular during that time period and I had quite a few
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  large necklace like that myself and I just can't even imagine
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  wearing something like that now and just like the heaviness of
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  it. I know I watched.
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  There was some podcast that I was listening to where a drag
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  queen was talking about how she has all of these statement
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  necklaces and she's like, I still wear them because I'm a
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  drag queen, but like no one, no one else wears them.
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  Nobody all swears them anymore. I mean, we shouldn't say that.
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  There's probably people that are still stuck in that.
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  Wearing them right now. Yeah, like I'm wearing my big
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  necklace. It's like rattling in the
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  background as they're listening to the podcast.
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  It's like. Well, honey, just take a look at
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  current trends and, you know, evaluate.
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  Evaluate. Yeah, it'll put them in a box.
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  They'll come back in 10-15 years.
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  It'll be popular again. I mean, if you're dressing like
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  the Sister Wives circa 20/11/2012, you got a fucking
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  problem. OK, you got a problem.
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  This yes, this necklace really accentuates my spaghetti strap
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  over my tank top. My long.
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  Sleeve high neck shirt. Yeah.
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  My tank top, yeah. Oh, the Sister Wives fashion.
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  Oh, that's a good idea. We we could do a little spread
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  of our Sister Wives fashion. Yes, all.
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  The Halloween costumes, my God. God, Halloween costumes of them.
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  I'll be Janelle. Oh my gosh, I don't even know
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  who I would be. You can be Robyn.
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  I can be merry because then I would be able to wear a fun wig.
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  And you'd be able to burn the shit out of your hair
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  straightening. Oh well, cuz you'd wear a wig.
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  Yeah, and. Flip it.
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  Oh. My gosh, so good.
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  Fried dad and laid to the side. That's.
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  Meri. Yep, that's Meri.
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  We cut to the family celebrating Hanukkah, which I love because
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  Kody, you know, he loves other cultures.
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  He's a very cultured man. He's very worldly.
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  That Kody Brown. He's been a lot of places, seen
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  a lot of faces. Hell, he even fucks with
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  different races. Just kidding.
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  Gosh, it's so great because we're like, OK, so we're
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  watching them, you know, light candles and sit around a table.
• 19:44
  And then there's like this Jewish Hebrew music playing,
• 19:48
  which is so amazing. Once again, they have to be
• 19:51
  doing the thing. And all I thought was we're
• 19:53
  missing the blonde chick from the Holiday Hoarder special, the
• 19:56
  one who was trying to fawn off on a con her the on her
• 20:00
  daughters. Yes, But you know, and Kody and
• 20:04
  all of his infinite wisdom has to let us know.
• 20:07
  I believe this is a direct quote.
• 20:09
  A remembering of the festival of dedication.
• 20:13
  Yeah, whatever the hell that meant.
• 20:15
  He didn't even know what he was saying.
• 20:17
  Right. And this is what I'm going like.
• 20:18
  What does that mean? No, he said like 5 words in a
• 20:21
  row trying to explain what he thought they were doing.
• 20:25
  Yeah he had. No, he had no fucking clue with
• 20:27
  right. Because like a remembering of
• 20:29
  the festival of dedication. Yeah, festival of dedication.
• 20:33
  What? I don't know what that means.
• 20:35
  You could tell he was confused as to what he was going to say.
• 20:39
  Yes, he just was talking out of his ass trying to make it seem
• 20:42
  OK that they were like appropriating another religion.
• 20:47
  Yes, yes. Holiday, yeah.
• 20:49
  Well, he does. He loves to like pull in another
• 20:51
  culture and have another. He likes to have a party.
• 20:54
  So you could also just say, I don't know, I really love to
• 20:56
  have a party. You don't have to say it's.
• 20:59
  Themed. It's a remembering of the
• 21:01
  festival of dedication now. By the way, please leave me a
• 21:05
  comment if I'm wrong. If if if really what it is is a
• 21:07
  remembrance of a festival of dedication.
• 21:10
  Beautiful. I honestly don't know.
• 21:12
  I just thought that maybe I would learn a little bit more
• 21:14
  about Hanukkah from the Brown family and turns out I think I
• 21:17
  learned less. I think I know less now than I
• 21:19
  did before this. Well, they were completely.
• 21:21
  Yeah, wrong. And Christine saying it's
• 21:25
  shining within yourself. Yes, this is to shine within
• 21:29
  ourselves. Like what?
• 21:31
  When they're lighting each other, they're passing the, the,
• 21:34
  the candle to light their own candles, right?
• 21:36
  So you're lighting all these lights.
• 21:38
  And Christine, let your light shine.
• 21:40
  Letting your light shine. What does that mean to you?
• 21:43
  To the children? Which was so great it might have
• 21:47
  been Isabel that said something like be nice.
• 21:50
  Like being nice. And.
• 21:51
  She was like, that's a great example of what letting your
• 21:54
  light shine means. And I'm like, Oh my God.
• 21:56
  I mean, I guess we're supposed to encourage the children, but
• 21:59
  could we maybe also point them in a direction that's not just
• 22:02
  being nice? And is that I don't know.
• 22:05
  I don't know. I don't think Hanukkah is about
• 22:07
  being nice. Not that it's not about being
• 22:08
  nice, but I just don't. I don't get it.
• 22:10
  I don't get it at all. They totally just used Hanukkah
• 22:13
  as the theme without even knowing what Hanukkah is and
• 22:18
  they just like did this weird lighting of their candles
• 22:21
  ceremony and not even a menorah or anything it was just.
• 22:25
  A lot of blue single candles, Yeah, with the Hanukkah music in
• 22:30
  the background. And I thought someone was going
• 22:32
  to bring out a dreidel and someone was going to start
• 22:35
  bringing, like, putting on the little hat on the top of the
• 22:37
  head. And I'm like, no, no, no, no,
• 22:39
  no. Don't do it.
• 22:39
  Don't do it. Yeah.
• 22:41
  And then we get a quick cut to Christine wrapping gifts on her
• 22:44
  bed. This came out of nowhere.
• 22:46
  She's wrapping gifts on her bed. She says her and Kody are not
• 22:50
  working on their relationship. And I was like, OK, cool.
• 22:55
  Can we cut to the fact that they got into like a little argument
• 23:00
  about what they used to celebrate?
• 23:03
  They talk about how Christine's family used to celebrate Joseph
• 23:09
  Smith's birthday. Right.
• 23:11
  And Kody didn't like that because people think that, you
• 23:16
  know, they worship Joseph's Joseph Smith and their religion,
• 23:20
  that Mormons worship him. So he thought it was weird to
• 23:23
  celebrate his birthday, and he didn't want to do that anymore.
• 23:27
  So he broke her family tradition for her that she threw for
• 23:33
  everyone. It wasn't like she made all the
• 23:36
  other sister wives like get in and do it with her.
• 23:40
  No, it was like her own little thing that she did, but he
• 23:43
  didn't like it, so it stopped. Yeah.
• 23:45
  And she was like, you could tell when they cut to the interviewer
• 23:49
  that she was kind of heartbroken about it.
• 23:51
  And she was like, no, I really enjoyed doing that.
• 23:54
  That was. Weird.
• 23:55
  Yeah. I think Meri might have been the
• 23:56
  one that stood up for her a bit in the sense of being like,
• 23:59
  well, it was her family tradition and it was kind of
• 24:01
  like harmless or whatever, you know?
• 24:04
  But I can also see the perspective of being like, I
• 24:06
  don't really, it's weird because if it's just a family thing that
• 24:09
  you do, that's not necessarily advocating for anything, right?
• 24:13
  Like I know why you would be like if you are Mormon,
• 24:19
  particularly fundamentalist Mormon, being like, well, I
• 24:22
  don't need anybody else to be confused about what our faith
• 24:24
  is. You and I had discussions where
• 24:26
  we were like, are they Christian?
• 24:28
  And it's like, no, turns out they are like Jesus Christ of
• 24:31
  Latter Day Saints. Like they are Christian.
• 24:34
  So yeah. Then to celebrate the birth of
• 24:37
  some guy who found some tablets in a forest, like, obviously
• 24:40
  made-up bullshit. Which is it?
• 24:43
  All made of bullshit? Yes.
• 24:44
  But yeah, you know, it is weird. I don't know.
• 24:48
  I think it's weird, but part of me thinks that maybe the reason
• 24:51
  he wanted them to stop was because he didn't want that
• 24:56
  being shown on TV. But then why did they even bring
• 24:58
  it up? Yeah.
• 25:00
  That was weird. That is weird.
• 25:02
  It was like bringing attention to it and it didn't need.
• 25:04
  To It didn't need to be. Yeah.
• 25:06
  But it kind of goes to show in that moment too.
• 25:09
  Like Christine is saying that Kody and her aren't doing well
• 25:12
  while she's wrapping the gifts. And they did just have this
• 25:14
  like, weird interaction about him putting the kibosh on her
• 25:19
  family's holiday thing. So on their tradition, and Kody
• 25:24
  says Christina's changed a lot and we have a lot to work on.
• 25:29
  We have to work on our stuff, which that was put things so
• 25:32
  well. We have to work on our stuff
• 25:35
  well, doesn't everybody? Kody Brown And then we get to
• 25:38
  hear from Meri, which is always weird.
• 25:40
  Meri seems to always have an opinion about Christine and what
• 25:44
  Christine should be doing because Meri's been through the
• 25:47
  ringer with with Kody. She's had hard times with Kody.
• 25:50
  And you know, she says the only person that you can change is
• 25:54
  you. You can't make anybody.
• 25:56
  And she of course, she says it in her own stupid merry way
• 25:58
  where she's like, you know, you can't change nobody else no
• 26:00
  matter what. And it's like, OK, what you're
• 26:04
  saying is true, you know? Really, though, the only work
• 26:08
  you can really own is your work. That doesn't mean that you
• 26:12
  can't, as a couple, go in and address things together and
• 26:16
  unearth things together and work on things together.
• 26:20
  Yeah, and that you can't expect your partner to grow and learn.
• 26:24
  And if something's really bothering you that your partner
• 26:26
  does, they should be willing to reflect on that themselves and
• 26:31
  grow and learn with you. Yes.
• 26:33
  Yeah, it's very strange. And it always makes me think
• 26:36
  about how unhappy and alone Meri was for so many years.
• 26:42
  And she has this like rationale about her, this way of being
• 26:46
  like, well, I know, I know. What you need to do is, you
• 26:49
  know, the only person you're going to change Christine is
• 26:51
  you. You can't change Kody.
• 26:52
  So you need to make yourself happy.
• 26:53
  And it's like there's an element of truth to that.
• 26:56
  But also, you're a person who's going to live alone and
• 26:59
  miserable for a very long time because you are under the
• 27:03
  impression that Kody can't be changed.
• 27:06
  Kody's not going to change. And it's my responsibility to
• 27:08
  change myself. Yeah, but you're in a marriage.
• 27:11
  Like, it just doesn't work. And Meri totally does this
• 27:15
  projection thing where she thinks everyone else is supposed
• 27:17
  to know the same thing she knows, be on the same journey
• 27:19
  she is, you know, learn the same lessons she learns.
• 27:22
  And it's a bit like, OK, Meri, like not one thing with me.
• 27:26
  I have a complicated relationship with Meri.
• 27:29
  I'm not a fan. But then I find myself defending
• 27:32
  her a lot. So it's complicated.
• 27:34
  I have a complicated relationship with Barry Brown.
• 27:37
  Yes, so far I still like her. Yeah, I, I don't know, that
• 27:44
  could change. I've spent so much time putting
• 27:47
  her down but then giving her mustard seeds because I'm like
• 27:49
  Meri's right? Or Meri.
• 27:50
  I like Meri or like I feel bad for Meri.
• 27:52
  There's so many times where I feel bad for her.
• 27:54
  Like this family just runs of her over and it's ridiculous.
• 27:58
  Did you notice that during the meal too?
• 28:03
  Sorry to bring this up randomly, but during the meal that they
• 28:07
  are like having this nice meal and all these beautiful candles
• 28:11
  and they were eating off of paper plates.
• 28:13
  Girl, I have brought up, I know that this family loves a
• 28:17
  landfill. This family loves a landfill.
• 28:20
  And I've gotten some hate from listeners being like, you don't
• 28:22
  know what it's like to have all these people and whatever.
• 28:24
  And I'm like, I just don't think that that's the case.
• 28:27
  Like we're talking about a Hanukkah.
• 28:28
  You're eating a family meal to celebrate a holiday, and you're
• 28:31
  eating off of paper plates. Like this is supposed to be a
• 28:33
  nice thing. And then what do they do after
• 28:37
  their family meal though, Chris? What did they do?
• 28:40
  They take the opportunity to go caroling.
• 28:43
  Yes, Caroling. Unsolicited Caroling to the
• 28:46
  neighbors unsolicited. In the desert.
• 28:51
  Oh God. Now, luckily, the only people we
• 28:53
  see them harassing is the grandma lady neighbor from last
• 28:58
  season who was like, I'm going to tell your kids to stay off
• 29:01
  the street. And they're all like, we love
• 29:03
  this grandma lady. And it's like, OK, she's a bit
• 29:05
  of a like, old and young bag. Yeah.
• 29:09
  So they go over and she's like standing in the door, like, oh,
• 29:12
  and I'm like, I wonder how many benzos or how many drinks she's
• 29:15
  on. She's just like, this is great.
• 29:17
  And it's like, they're terrible. They're all off key.
• 29:19
  They're singing different songs. Yeah, they're not even actually
• 29:22
  caroling. It was like, what the fuck are
• 29:24
  you doing? If you're going to waste
• 29:25
  people's time and make them open their damn door and stare at you
• 29:29
  and listen to you for however long you're going to sing in
• 29:32
  their faces, you better be damn good at it or I'm slamming the
• 29:35
  door on your face. I'm sorry.
• 29:37
  We were all off key and it was very strange.
• 29:39
  It was so. Weird.
• 29:40
  It looked, felt a bit like a production bit, but like, why
• 29:44
  would you even do it? Like I would be like, no, we're
• 29:45
  not doing that. It's like very strange, very
• 29:47
  strange. So they go from doing Hanukkah
• 29:50
  to going to singing Christmas. Carols at the neighbor grandma's
• 29:54
  house, who's like now for every tooth I've missed, I've kicked a
• 29:57
  child in the tooth That was so bad, that was so bad.
• 30:02
  Pretend I said something funny there.
• 30:04
  Everybody OK. Tooth I'm missing I'm getting a
• 30:08
  child. The tooth.
• 30:11
  Oh no, I'm the tooth. Fairy now, yeah Grandma tooth
• 30:15
  kicker like good Lord not right, not right you're.
• 30:21
  Killing me over. Here, Bob Ross.
• 30:24
  Happy accidents. Happy accidents.
• 30:26
  Oh my God, now we're going to cut to the family going to a ski
• 30:30
  resort out of town to cut down their own Christmas tree.
• 30:33
  Oh. They love they love a live tree.
• 30:36
  Now this family loves a live tree.
• 30:37
  No hate on a live tree. No, my family never went to the
• 30:43
  ski resort and cut down a tree. But that's because I grew up
• 30:46
  like poor. And I don't know if being poor
• 30:49
  has anything to do with cutting down a tree, but it just seemed
• 30:51
  like a lot to do. Like my parents were like, we're
• 30:54
  setting up the same tree we set up every year with the blue
• 30:56
  lights and the whatever. Like that was my family
• 30:58
  Christmas. Yeah, we never had a real tree.
• 31:01
  Ever. And love my friends who are
• 31:04
  like, I've a real tree every year and I'm like, it smells
• 31:07
  great and you have to water it every day.
• 31:08
  Actually, I go to your house and water it because you're on
• 31:10
  vacation and the needles are everywhere.
• 31:13
  And then you ask me to help you throw it away and I'm like, why
• 31:15
  did you even get this? You're not even God.
• 31:17
  A tree in my house is my worst nightmare because we had a bunch
• 31:22
  of pine trees in our front yard. It was literally the man of my
• 31:25
  existence. Those pine needles were
• 31:28
  everywhere all the time. They get tracked into your car,
• 31:30
  they get tracked into your house, and you'll be walking
• 31:32
  barefoot through your own house that you vacuumed 100 times and
• 31:35
  get a dry pine needle jammed into your toe.
• 31:39
  And so I can't imagine bringing that into my house on purpose,
• 31:42
  but that's just me. Well, I don't think you should
• 31:44
  blame the tree, Honey. You're lying.
• 31:46
  You only vacuum 99 times and you needed to see it.
• 31:50
  But we cut all those trees down. Yeah, Because I was like.
• 31:53
  So easy to it yes that's I encourage cutting down those
• 31:57
  trees I. Cut those trees to the ground.
• 32:00
  I like that old lady from himself, Yeah, from Golden Girls
• 32:03
  who's like, cut down the tree. I don't want the tree.
• 32:06
  And it's like, OK, but it's really like, no big, old ugly
• 32:09
  pine trees. Get them, go bye bye.
• 32:11
  Yeah, they were Jack Pines too. And Jack Pines are sparse and
• 32:14
  ugly looking, so. Bye bye, bye bye bye, bye, bye
• 32:17
  bye. Bye teeth, bye.
• 32:20
  Bye. Bye pine trees, bye bye.
• 32:22
  Bye. Bye.
• 32:23
  I'm gonna kick you in the tooth and pull down your pine tree.
• 32:26
  My God. Ridiculous.
• 32:29
  So of course, you know, as they're going through this ski
• 32:32
  resort hillside, they find a tree and Christine says it's
• 32:36
  gorgeous. And I'm like Christine.
• 32:39
  She is such a like, I wish I was a theater girl.
• 32:43
  And it's like, God girl. Oh my God.
• 32:45
  She's just, she's a lot. I can't deal with Christine.
• 32:49
  I can't deal with Christine. Now they do cut down a tree.
• 32:53
  It takes several attempts. I feel like they were counting
• 32:56
  the chops. They were all the boys were
• 32:58
  getting a whack in there. All those boys were whacking.
• 33:01
  They were whacking. They totally were.
• 33:04
  They're whack. Well, at least Kody, Hunter and
• 33:07
  Logan, yeah, were whacking. Yep, they did get the tree to a
• 33:11
  point where Logan went and pushed it over.
• 33:13
  Or Hunter, one of the boys, yeah, pushed the tree over.
• 33:16
  And they were joking about how he pushed it in between two
• 33:20
  other trees instead of the direction back towards where
• 33:22
  they were, where it would have been easier.
• 33:24
  And then it was like missing a bunch of branches because it.
• 33:27
  So they're like dragging it out of there and then bringing it
• 33:30
  back to the car and it's like, oh, it's missing all of these
• 33:32
  branches and it looks a little like Charlie.
• 33:35
  Yeah. Charlie Brown's Christmas tree.
• 33:38
  Then we have a disturbance. Janelle tells us of a
• 33:41
  disturbance. She says I have a disturbance.
• 33:46
  I have a disturbance. And she's telling us that
• 33:49
  Gabriel said something to Garrison, and then Garrison said
• 33:52
  something to Gabriel, and then Gabriel punched Garrison in the
• 33:55
  face. And now Garrison has a bloody
• 33:57
  nose. And they cut to this footage of
• 33:59
  Garrison standing there with, like, blood dripping out of his
• 34:02
  nose. And it's like, okay, like, yeah,
• 34:05
  all right. So the boys are beating each
• 34:07
  other up and Janelle says this is the bane of my existence.
• 34:11
  These boys are always fighting. And I immediately thought of
• 34:14
  you, 'cause I was like, oh, Kimber's got two young boys and
• 34:17
  they are fighting and this is what happens.
• 34:20
  I grew up with two younger brothers.
• 34:21
  We were always fighting. This is what it is.
• 34:23
  I mean it, it's just constant fighting.
• 34:25
  It is. Yeah, I mean, the one Gabriel,
• 34:28
  the one that did the punch to the nose, Oh my gosh.
• 34:33
  He was seething. Yes, you could see he was like
• 34:36
  shaking and he was just standing.
• 34:38
  Back early, he was. So mad, Yeah.
• 34:41
  And it does make you wonder. Yeah.
• 34:42
  Like what was said, what is so important to this like little
• 34:46
  boy that he is that worked up right now?
• 34:50
  Well, it's like when I would try to physically harm my brother
• 34:53
  Tony, it's because he would follow me around like singing
• 34:55
  off key and like doing things to bother me.
• 34:58
  And I'd be like, he won't stop. And my mom's like, the only
• 35:00
  reason he does it is because it makes you upset.
• 35:02
  And I'm like. Well, no shit.
• 35:04
  That's I know, but like, why? Oh my God, Like what?
• 35:07
  What do you need a PhD to recognize that this is a
• 35:09
  problem? Like it's a problem.
• 35:11
  I try to separate the kids before it gets to that point,
• 35:15
  but then there's just days where it's like they're just at each
• 35:19
  other's throats. And my kids are little, so
• 35:21
  they're not to the point where they're, like, fully punching
• 35:24
  yet. But it's almost worse because,
• 35:26
  like, toys are involved, right? And it's like that corner of the
• 35:29
  car kept you the wrong way. And by golly, you could lose an
• 35:34
  eyeball. Well, I told you I I can't
• 35:36
  remember if I've shared this on the show, but my mom, my, my,
• 35:40
  I'm the oldest of three boys and my middle brother Tony still to
• 35:44
  this day shares the story about how he learned when to not piss
• 35:47
  my mom off because I took a hot wheel.
• 35:50
  My brother was tormenting me. I took a hot wheel and I threw
• 35:53
  it in his face and it hit like right next to his eye.
• 35:56
  And he went upstairs and told my mom and she was like, Oh my
• 35:58
  gosh, it's bleeding by his eye. He could have gone blind.
• 36:01
  I was like, good, I hope he goes blind.
• 36:03
  Like, what are you talking about?
• 36:04
  Like I was trying to harm. Like I was literally trying to
• 36:06
  hurt. I was trying to hurt.
• 36:07
  I was trying to fuck with his face.
• 36:08
  Like, Oh my God, he won't leave me alone.
• 36:10
  And she was like, he could have gone blind, you son of a bitch.
• 36:14
  And I started laughing because I was like 12.
• 36:16
  And I'm like, you're calling yourself a bitch.
• 36:19
  And she, because I was laughing, she slapped me across the face.
• 36:21
  And my brother was like, Oh my God.
• 36:24
  And that's when he learned to not laugh at my mom when she was
• 36:27
  mad. Yeah.
• 36:28
  And, you know, I look back at it now and it's a funny story.
• 36:31
  It was even a funny. I was laughing at the time like
• 36:33
  it was funny. Yeah.
• 36:35
  Oh my gosh, sometimes it's so funny when people get angry.
• 36:38
  And then also it's because you're a kid and that's an
• 36:41
  awkward situation, so you might be having just awkward laughter
• 36:45
  and then that makes it worse. Yes, Yeah, Yeah.
• 36:47
  Oh, yeah. We've talked about that, Yeah.
• 36:50
  And Gabe says, well, I was gently kicking Garrison.
• 36:54
  It's. Like gently kicking.
• 36:56
  I was gently kicking Garrison. Yeah, like, like what was gentle
• 37:00
  kicking? I love that the idea of gentle
• 37:03
  kicking. Not genome with your tootsies,
• 37:05
  yeah. Well, I was just tapping them on
• 37:07
  the toe. Yeah, like, right.
• 37:09
  Right. Gosh, so good, Love.
• 37:11
  A little violence between brothers.
• 37:13
  Not not all the time. I understand your mom and your
• 37:16
  but as someone who survived 2 younger brothers I can say that
• 37:19
  brother my brother violence can be OK.
• 37:22
  As long as mine figure out someday to stop using their
• 37:25
  heads as weapons, that would be. Great.
• 37:28
  My oldest digs his head into his little brother and like, like a
• 37:32
  dinosaur. Like, what are those dinosaurs
• 37:35
  that use their heads to like, headbutt each other?
• 37:38
  He does that and I'm like, let's protect our noggin a little bit,
• 37:41
  please. Sir, what are you doing?
• 37:43
  Eventually, he'll learn to use his his fists and his feet and
• 37:47
  Hot Wheels. Yes.
• 37:50
  Then we have Kody taking Isabel, Aurora, Brianna and Savannah to
• 37:56
  buy gifts for their moms and their designated gift
• 37:59
  recipients. So we learned that all of the
• 38:01
  kids pick one other kids name and get them a gift, which
• 38:05
  totally makes sense because when you have like 27,000 children,
• 38:08
  you know you can only get so many things.
• 38:11
  And while they're at the store, you know, it's a little bit like
• 38:15
  dad takes the daughters to the store.
• 38:17
  Like they might as well have had circus music playing in the
• 38:19
  background. And why the hell did he take him
• 38:21
  to like a Pier One Imports or some shit like that?
• 38:25
  One, but with even narrower aisles.
• 38:26
  Yeah, why were they not stores I?
• 38:29
  Know it's like he was like let's go to the overpriced Knick knack
• 38:33
  horde store. Yeah, to pick stuff for
• 38:35
  children, Other children. What?
• 38:38
  And Tarney. And for the moms and for the
• 38:40
  mom. And for the mom?
• 38:41
  But yeah, it was definitely like, why aren't you going to
• 38:43
  like Target or Kmart or something like that?
• 38:45
  Like the one girl picked out a globe.
• 38:48
  Person. And I was like, wait, like a
• 38:51
  tiny little globe figurine thing.
• 38:54
  And I was like, oh God. Well, we both got a chuckle out
• 38:57
  of one point where Kody picks up what looks to be 4 sealed little
• 39:02
  Baggies of potpourri esque things.
• 39:07
  Like these pouches of like potpourri that he's like getting
• 39:10
  and he holds up four of them and he's like, I think that they
• 39:13
  would like these or I hope that they would like these like.
• 39:17
  And we I think they're potpourri because he did smell them, but
• 39:20
  they look like shit. You just put in a bowl, right?
• 39:22
  Like on a table. And it's like, oh God, like is
• 39:26
  this really what you're getting your wives?
• 39:28
  Like what's happening you? Probably didn't even get a bowl
• 39:30
  for them to put the potpourri. In well, I'm sure they've got
• 39:32
  something like, yeah, they're like plastic serving plate,
• 39:36
  their paper plate from their dinner.
• 39:37
  I'll put some potpourri in my paper plate.
• 39:40
  Or put them in their underwear drawers.
• 39:41
  Oh, such a great gift. Now I have smelly nice
• 39:44
  underwear. Like what?
• 39:47
  Do people even use potpourri anymore?
• 39:49
  I feel like that's an old like thing that I know.
• 39:51
  No I don't. Way, way old.
• 39:53
  Yeah, like from before my time. Doesn't even smell good, ever.
• 39:57
  No, and it only smells for like a little bit, but whatever.
• 40:01
  So he's like eyeing these 4 bags of potpourri miscellaneous and
• 40:04
  whatnot for his wives. And it was classic like oh
• 40:08
  you're so dumb. Like just stop.
• 40:10
  Like don't do it. Don't do.
• 40:11
  It it was so cringy. At this point, we learned that
• 40:14
  the wives decided to get something for Kody together,
• 40:17
  that Christine and Robyn planned and executed this gift, but we
• 40:20
  don't know what the gift is, but they're working on something
• 40:23
  special for Kody Brown. And then we cut to everyone
• 40:27
  packing up bags and gifts to get ready to go to the Christmas
• 40:31
  rental. You know, the Brown chaos.
• 40:33
  Everyone's doing all their things, packing up their cars,
• 40:36
  getting things ready. The teenage boys at some point,
• 40:40
  Hunter and Logan specifically, maybe Peyton, go over to help
• 40:44
  Robyn pack because she's like, oh, I don't know what I can.
• 40:47
  I'm barely able to function. My name is Robyn.
• 40:52
  No, she has young children. She's a newborn.
• 40:55
  Yeah. You know, packing up a car to go
• 40:57
  to the Christmas rental. And mind you, they're in the
• 40:59
  same town. Why can't someone just go leave
• 41:01
  to pick up more paper plates if they're we?
• 41:04
  Have more paper plates and paper towels.
• 41:07
  Paper towels, more disposable products, and I love that
• 41:11
  because they probably don't use paper ones.
• 41:12
  They're probably like, no, I like the Styrofoam.
• 41:14
  Get me Styrofoam napkins, get me Styrofoam everything.
• 41:18
  Oh boy. Oh.
• 41:20
  My God, as these boys are helping Robyn with her whatnot,
• 41:24
  Meri, you know, lets us know that she was all alone as usual.
• 41:29
  And I thought it was funny because she's like putting all
• 41:32
  these totes in her car and she was being like workhorse Meri,
• 41:35
  like how she is. She's just like, I've got the
• 41:37
  totes ready, I've got the shit ready.
• 41:39
  She's packing up her car. She seems to be like a one
• 41:42
  person militia getting all the shit done.
• 41:44
  But full blown totes. Literally.
• 41:47
  Totes. It looks like she had packed in
• 41:49
  the back of the car. I'm like, what are you doing
• 41:51
  with full totes? I mean they are large family,
• 41:54
  but I was like what the hell is that?
• 41:57
  And see, Meri's got her one child, but Meri, I think, also
• 42:01
  likes to take ownership of a lot of things.
• 42:03
  So she's probably like, I've got all the decorations and I've got
• 42:06
  all this stuff. And it's like, Oh my God, Meri.
• 42:08
  I think she was packing the food too.
• 42:10
  She had like all the food going into her car it looked like.
• 42:13
  She had all, yeah, like the things of bottles of water and
• 42:16
  all that. So she had a bunch of shit that
• 42:18
  she was packing up and her whole thing was, you know, that she
• 42:21
  would have loved to have had some help like she would have
• 42:24
  had when they were all together, when they were all in one home.
• 42:27
  She also makes the comment that the reason that she doesn't have
• 42:31
  a bunch of help is because she doesn't have a bunch of her own
• 42:34
  kids to help move things for her.
• 42:36
  But aren't these all your kids? Aren't these like communal
• 42:40
  children? Right.
• 42:41
  Like, well, and it's there is an element of that where.
• 42:46
  OK, let's take a step back. Kody thinks, let me bring the
• 42:51
  teenage boys over to help Robyn. Does he think that about Meri?
• 42:55
  No. No, he definitely thought of it
• 42:57
  for Robyn and he even like said as he dropped the kids off
• 43:01
  there, he's like I brought the boys so I thought you could use
• 43:03
  some help. Like he says that to her and
• 43:06
  then he gets his little ass over to Meri and asks her when
• 43:10
  they're supposed to be leaving or something and she's like
• 43:13
  struggling to do stuff on her own and.
• 43:15
  Yep, Yep. Yeah.
• 43:17
  See, Meri's got to get it done no matter what, and she's always
• 43:20
  all alone. And that's Meri's struggle in
• 43:23
  life. Everyone arrives at the
• 43:26
  Christmas rental and their wives are deciding which rooms they
• 43:29
  want to have. And they're like, standing in
• 43:31
  the entryway. You know, the kids are running
• 43:33
  around the house being like, oh, God, look, there's a window air
• 43:36
  conditioner in this room. Like, oh, my God, on the beds,
• 43:39
  jumping on the beds. I said they needed to have a
• 43:42
  huge security deposit. Whoever owned that house, like
• 43:45
  my God. And Kody tries to jump in while
• 43:48
  the wives are discussing rooms because there's something about
• 43:50
  like Janelle's, like, you know, I like to get up early.
• 43:52
  I make noise. I don't, if I can be away from
• 43:54
  the other wives. It's like probably a respect
• 43:56
  thing. Like, I just don't want to
• 43:57
  disrupt people. They, like all, agree.
• 43:59
  And they're all like, yeah, well, because they've all
• 44:01
  everyone but Robyn's lived with Janelle.
• 44:02
  And I'm sure they're like, yeah, we're sick and tired of hearing
• 44:05
  you clanging pots and pans at 5:00 in the morning, which like,
• 44:07
  seriously. And so they're like, yeah,
• 44:09
  that's fine. And blah, blah, blah.
• 44:10
  And then there's something about the priMeri.
• 44:12
  There's two primaries, There's whatever.
• 44:13
  And Kody's trying to jump in to orchestrate.
• 44:17
  And the wives are like, we've got this Kody, like, stop.
• 44:20
  And he's like, I guess I just, you know, just got to take a
• 44:23
  step back. Right.
• 44:24
  Like let them pick the rooms that they want to stay in.
• 44:28
  Doesn't involve you. Yeah.
• 44:30
  And it looked like they were just going about the process,
• 44:32
  like discussing which rooms and whatever there.
• 44:34
  It didn't seem contentious. There didn't seem to be anything
• 44:36
  going on. No.
• 44:38
  But you know, Kody's got to step in and be the man and they're
• 44:41
  like, back down, little boy. Kody says they have the rental
• 44:46
  house for a week. And it's cute because then they
• 44:48
  cut to a shot of Janelle playing tennis with the kids outside.
• 44:52
  And she talks about how their family success has come from the
• 44:55
  kids being living in such a close proximity that they are
• 44:59
  like, actual siblings and not separated like a lot of other
• 45:03
  polygamist families. And that is a big part of their
• 45:07
  family Ness, was that they raised them all together in this
• 45:11
  house and that even though there are separate wives and separate
• 45:15
  residences within the home, that they literally were all together
• 45:19
  all the time acting as a family. I mean, it could be completely
• 45:23
  both ways, right? You could have that and have
• 45:26
  everybody having shared space and like, growing up together.
• 45:29
  Or you could be like, Nope, my separate wives means like these
• 45:32
  are separate families for me. Which is yeah, odd.
• 45:37
  And it seems like for them, I mean, and that was something
• 45:39
  when you and I were discussing previous seasons, even like the
• 45:43
  Janelle vibes, how she above all the other wives, at least in
• 45:47
  what she says. And I, I do think in her actions
• 45:52
  as well, has always put the family 1st.
• 45:55
  And so hearing her being outside playing tennis with the kids and
• 45:59
  having an interview moment where she's like, what really was
• 46:02
  successful for our family was that we acted as one unit as a
• 46:07
  family. And I think that's like a really
• 46:09
  important thing to her, to knowing who she is, to her
• 46:13
  history and her part in the family.
• 46:17
  There are points where I think she comes across as maybe a bit
• 46:20
  emotionally detached, non reactive, not caring.
• 46:24
  But when you boil it down like she's the one that's generally
• 46:28
  like family 1st 100% of the time, you know?
• 46:31
  I feel like she's the glue in that sense, like kind of the
• 46:35
  reminding, like force sometimes with that stuff.
• 46:40
  For sure, yeah. Now we get to start with Leon
• 46:45
  directing the Christmas Nativity play.
• 46:47
  It's. Going.
• 46:48
  So, well, it's going so well, absolutely.
• 46:52
  When running the rehearsals, Leon seems to be getting a
• 46:57
  little frustrated with how things are going.
• 47:01
  Yes. Imagine that now.
• 47:03
  Were you ever the director, producer of plays while you were
• 47:07
  a child? No, I was the star.
• 47:09
  No, you weren't the star. You were the star.
• 47:12
  Of the. Show of course you would have
• 47:15
  played the baby Jesus. Totally, I just imagine like
• 47:20
  having a little nativity thing set up and then like a hole to
• 47:25
  push my head up through so I could play the baby no matter
• 47:28
  how old I got. You're like 17 and your head
• 47:32
  pops up out of the Manger. Still the baby Jesus.
• 47:37
  Oh my God, I'm the. Star so good, it's so great
• 47:43
  'cause at one point after there's some discussion about
• 47:46
  lines or whatever and then they're all sitting around and
• 47:49
  Leon's like OK, anyone do you have any questions?
• 47:51
  And Peyton goes, why are we doing this?
• 47:54
  Why are? We doing this I.
• 47:56
  Was like, Oh my God, this is what it's like having siblings
• 48:00
  and trying. Now I'm sure you can imagine I
• 48:02
  was a director, producer as. A Oh yes of.
• 48:05
  Course, if you weren't going to play along, frustrations might
• 48:10
  have grown. You know, I might have been a
• 48:12
  little challenging to work with. I can only imagine it sounds
• 48:16
  like a young Oh my God putting on a show.
• 48:19
  Young me being like, no, no, no, no.
• 48:22
  Oh, boy. And Leon looks like, you know,
• 48:24
  they're ready to give up. And I completely understand.
• 48:27
  You know, they're like, why am I even doing this?
• 48:29
  It's like, yeah, well, why are you even doing this?
• 48:31
  But we all need our creative outlets, and I understand.
• 48:35
  Leon almost gave up for sure. Yeah, totally.
• 48:37
  Like what the fuck? And now we're gonna set up the
• 48:40
  tree. Tree the Tree Charlie Brown Tree
• 48:43
  the. Charlie Brown Christmas tree.
• 48:45
  Yeah, in the Christmas rental. Charlie Brown Tree for the
• 48:48
  Browns. Yes, yes.
• 48:50
  Logan is a senior in high school.
• 48:52
  They let us know. So they're showing Logan trying
• 48:55
  to put the lights at the top. And now mind you, this tree is.
• 48:58
  Sparse. Sparse.
• 48:59
  Very sparse, tall. So it's in like a two floor room
• 49:03
  or whatever and Logan's up on a ladder like trying to figure out
• 49:07
  how to get the lights all the way to the top.
• 49:08
  Tony cuts the top off. Didn't you notice Kody when you
• 49:11
  cut the very top of the tree off?
• 49:13
  He did, which is so great. And in the discussion about
• 49:17
  Logan being a senior, they start talking about how it might be
• 49:19
  his last Christmas with the family.
• 49:22
  And all the adults start talking about what it means for the
• 49:25
  other kids to be leaving so quickly in the sense of they had
• 49:29
  the 1st 5 like all kind of in a bunch.
• 49:31
  They were like the five, the first five, and now the first
• 49:34
  five are going to be moving on to different parts of their
• 49:37
  lives. I had a little bit of a feel, a
• 49:40
  little bit of a moment being like, oh, like being a parent
• 49:43
  and coming to that time of being like, Oh my gosh.
• 49:45
  Because also parents always say it goes so fast too.
• 49:48
  Like when you get to this point, all of a sudden you're like,
• 49:50
  what happened, you know? Yeah, then the mass exodus of
• 49:54
  that many kids at once and that many helping kids and able
• 49:59
  bodied older children. Everyone but Meri's going to
• 50:02
  miss them. Yeah, right.
• 50:04
  Oh my God. That's so terrible.
• 50:06
  That's so terrible. Yeah, They finally light the
• 50:09
  tree and it's a bit sad, but it's cute.
• 50:14
  It does end up being cute. I was actually shocked that I
• 50:17
  thought it looked cute because I was like, this is really
• 50:21
  awkward. First of all, it's not even the
• 50:22
  type of tree that would be a Christmas tree.
• 50:25
  It kind of reminded me of like a Jack pine, which are just like
• 50:28
  sparse and like, what in the hell are you doing it?
• 50:32
  Definitely didn't have the traditional, like, Christmas
• 50:34
  tree look, but when they lit it up and they had all the other,
• 50:38
  well, they turned all the lights off in the house and then turned
• 50:40
  on the tree and it was cute. It was like, oh, OK.
• 50:44
  Like if that was in my house, I would be like, look what US
• 50:46
  idiots did. Like, we did a good job, you
• 50:48
  know, Right? Good story.
• 50:50
  Yeah, good story. Maybe not a good picture, yeah,
• 50:54
  but a good story. And then we cut to Leon
• 50:57
  narrating the nativity play. Yeah, so it did come together.
• 51:01
  And they're all the kids are wearing like towels.
• 51:04
  And they're wearing towels, yeah.
• 51:06
  As their outfits, their costumes.
• 51:08
  One of the boys was a donkey and had Meri riding on the back of
• 51:13
  them. Yes, and.
• 51:15
  There was at one point, I don't remember what the voice over was
• 51:17
  or what was happening, but they show Gwendolyn coming in and
• 51:21
  she's like bouncing around and making crazy faces.
• 51:23
  And it's like, OK, so all the kids are acting their parts,
• 51:27
  which is beautiful. Kudos to Leon for being a
• 51:30
  successful director of a beautiful play, I'm sure.
• 51:33
  And of course, baby Solomon played Jesus.
• 51:35
  Baby Jesus, you must have been so jealous.
• 51:39
  Yeah, Oh my gosh. Like move over a newborn.
• 51:43
  Move over a newborn. This is a part for a real *.
• 51:47
  Yes. Who do you think you are?
• 51:50
  And this is a part, Kimber, where I had to, I was pondering,
• 51:54
  I had a question for you. Oh, yeah.
• 51:56
  How many wise men are in your nativity scene?
• 51:59
  Look, don't. No, I can't remember again
• 52:04
  because you just asked me out of nowhere.
• 52:06
  Yes. Now, the reason I'm bringing
• 52:08
  this up everyone is because earlier in the season Kimber was
• 52:12
  pulling out some of her Christmas decorations and she
• 52:15
  was like, oh, and look, here's the wise men with the baby
• 52:18
  Jesus. And I went over and looked and
• 52:20
  it was Meri and Joseph with the vein shirt.
• 52:23
  I was like, honey, There were three wise men.
• 52:26
  That's Meri and Joseph, God. And it was so funny.
• 52:30
  It was ridiculous because I also was raised very Catholic and
• 52:34
  went to church twice a week and was super into.
• 52:40
  Well, you said your Hail Meris. You said plenty of Hail Meris.
• 52:42
  You said plenty of Hail Meris, yes.
• 52:44
  You did, and so I got to chuckle out of your two wise men, and
• 52:48
  I'm not sure that I'll ever let that story go.
• 52:50
  Probably not. That's all right.
• 52:52
  That's on me. And now it's Christmas morning.
• 52:58
  Christmas morning. The gift exchange has begun and
• 53:02
  the kids are opening their gifts, which is wonderful.
• 53:05
  We do get one special gift that gets some attention from
• 53:09
  Savannah to Leon and we were we had we had to pause and go back
• 53:16
  to see what this really was. Yeah.
• 53:19
  It's a box. I don't know if it was a shoe
• 53:21
  box. It looked like a shoe box.
• 53:23
  Yeah. Shoe box type thing.
• 53:25
  And there was a drawing, a piece of paper taped on the top that
• 53:29
  had four houses and like the four quadrants, Yeah, with roads
• 53:33
  in the middle and some cars drawn on it and apparently some
• 53:38
  crap in the box. We don't know what was in the
• 53:41
  box. Like rocks or something, and
• 53:43
  when when Leon would shake it, it would make the noise of sound
• 53:48
  of cars going by on the road. And then driving from home to
• 53:52
  home, yes, so interesting symbolism for the family because
• 53:56
  they're in four separate homes, but they're still so close.
• 53:59
  They're just a car right away. I can't stand it.
• 54:02
  I can't stand I don't you were like to give.
• 54:05
  Her a box and I'm like I don't know.
• 54:07
  I hope they got Leon a real. Gift Well, let's on top of that,
• 54:12
  yes, because. What in.
• 54:14
  Come on, what in tarnation? In tarnation.
• 54:17
  That's not fair. Yeah.
• 54:19
  But see, Leon is wise and sophisticated.
• 54:22
  And so Leon's an older sibling and just supposed to take it and
• 54:26
  take this happy homemade gift from a little sibling and just
• 54:30
  like, eat it, OK? I know it's like 3 months later
• 54:33
  and Leon's like look what I got for Christmas.
• 54:35
  It's like rocking the box back and forth that it's like rocks
• 54:38
  making noise in a box. Like OK, as as a parent, that's
• 54:42
  cute, fine, let them give their homemade gift.
• 54:45
  But also, they better have spent some money on Leon and gotten a
• 54:49
  real gift because that is a little ridiculous for them to
• 54:53
  have gotten this box. Like come on, at least a pair of
• 54:57
  socks or something please. Yeah, it was.
• 55:00
  It was like, it's cute, but yeah, yeah.
• 55:04
  What are you do with some box of rocks?
• 55:06
  Right end up in the trash. Sorry, little girl.
• 55:09
  Yep. Sorry, Sorry Savannah, your gift
• 55:12
  is trash. Well, even with my my kids, I'm
• 55:16
  like, how long do I have to keep their art in quotations for like
• 55:20
  at this point in their life when they're like so young and
• 55:24
  they're gluing cotton balls on Santa Claus's face.
• 55:28
  And yeah, it's cute. I hang it up for the season.
• 55:30
  But I'm not the mom that's going to be like, I have 5 totes of
• 55:34
  all of my kids, things that they've made me over the years.
• 55:37
  I mean, yeah, yeah, some people are like that.
• 55:40
  Eventually you do have to throw away the crafts.
• 55:42
  I would assume. Yes.
• 55:45
  Kody gave Meri some jewelry. Wasn't quite sure what that was
• 55:49
  or what it meant, but there was some jewelry.
• 55:51
  I think it was a necklace of some sort.
• 55:53
  Some sort, some stones on that necklace.
• 55:57
  Kody gave Robyn a guitar. She's been wanting a guitar for
• 56:00
  like a decade. Yeah, apparently.
• 56:03
  You know what do your kids need a crib or do you need a guitar?
• 56:06
  Well, she said, she said neither I my kids can sleep on the floor
• 56:12
  and I can't play them any music. My baby Jesus can sleep inside
• 56:16
  of this guitar. Guitar case, The guitar case All
• 56:20
  in the guitar case. Perfect.
• 56:23
  Beautiful. It's a Christmas miracle.
• 56:26
  Kody gave Christine a ring. She said that she had pointed it
• 56:29
  out. She'd asked for that ring.
• 56:30
  It was very nice. Well, that's great.
• 56:33
  We don't get told what Janelle gets, do we?
• 56:36
  No, no. We don't.
• 56:38
  It doesn't even get pointed out at.
• 56:39
  All she got another box of rocks.
• 56:41
  She got a box of rocks as well. Janelle's like, well, as long as
• 56:45
  the family's happy. Yeah, she'd be totally fine with
• 56:48
  it. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:49
  Oh my gosh, lump of coal for Janelle for all she does.
• 56:53
  For all she does, yeah, she's the backbone of the family.
• 56:56
  Here's your lump of coal. Yep.
• 56:57
  She'll be like, oh, OK, don't worry, I can write on a
• 57:00
  chalkboard with that. The kids can play with it.
• 57:03
  We could use it for kindling when we go on our camping trips
• 57:08
  and need a burger. Yeah, she's like, I can cook my
• 57:11
  one piece of food that I have for myself with this one coal.
• 57:15
  She's like using it in the camper.
• 57:17
  In the future when she lives out on Coyote Pass, she's like, I'm
• 57:19
  keeping warm with my piece of coal.
• 57:22
  Oh God, Janelle, this is where we learn that the wives give
• 57:25
  Kody a gun. I don't even know what it means.
• 57:29
  I don't know anything about guns.
• 57:30
  It definitely was not a gun you just buy Willy nilly.
• 57:34
  So they must have scrimped and saved for this gun.
• 57:37
  It was a fun gun. It wasn't one that you'd go
• 57:41
  hunting with, it was one you'd go to the range with and.
• 57:45
  It looked like designer gun or something.
• 57:48
  That type of like, oh, OK, yeah, like you don't need that.
• 57:52
  Yeah, I grew up with plenty of gun in my house with my father
• 57:59
  and they were well taken care of and locked up.
• 58:03
  And so I appreciate that Kody does make sure he mentions that
• 58:07
  they have their guns, you know, in a safe spot and locked up and
• 58:11
  whatever. I'm like, good, you know, better
• 58:13
  with all those kids around. Jesus.
• 58:15
  He says that he takes gun safety very seriously and so do all of
• 58:19
  the wives. I was like, well thank God you
• 58:21
  clarified that. Well, yeah, because God forbid
• 58:23
  one of them decides to kill you all of a sudden.
• 58:25
  You better have the key to that Safe, Tony.
• 58:28
  Oh my God, I was just going to crack a joke about how it's
• 58:31
  always the people you want to have guns that have guns, but
• 58:33
  then I realized sometimes that is true, so I don't really know.
• 58:37
  Yeah, I mean. Guns are guns.
• 58:40
  I know. We won't get into that.
• 58:41
  I know I'm like I'm not anti gun, but I'm a little anti like
• 58:45
  I don't want a gun like well we'll see.
• 58:48
  I wouldn't mind doing guns training and like learning how
• 58:51
  to shoot a gun. Well, like, what if I could do
• 58:53
  that? I just scared everybody.
• 58:55
  I would I would go and do it with you.
• 58:57
  It's been a long time since I've shot a gun.
• 58:59
  Oh my gosh. I probably would just be really
• 59:01
  bad at aiming and this would be my whole thing.
• 59:03
  Like when thinking about defense for guns, like having a gun in
• 59:06
  the home. The reason that I've never been
• 59:08
  like I should do that is because I always feel like I would be
• 59:11
  the one that would be a statistic like I shot myself
• 59:15
  like. Foot or the kneecap.
• 59:17
  I capped my neck. I capped my damn self.
• 59:20
  I was trying to kick him in the tooth like it'd be a whole
• 59:23
  thing. I would.
• 59:24
  I would totally try to scare someone and then I'd end up
• 59:26
  shooting myself. And would be.
• 59:27
  Like wow, should I just let them take your precious jewelry?
• 59:31
  Well, yeah. And like the instance of like
• 59:35
  the chance of you getting shot by a gun go up because the gun
• 59:38
  is in your house, like the chance of an intruder getting
• 59:41
  the gun away from you are very, very high, right so.
• 59:45
  I wouldn't mind having a paintball gun, so I'm gonna give
• 59:47
  away my whole defense system here, which is a paintball gun.
• 59:50
  And I told this to someone once I was like, what if I just had a
• 59:53
  pellet gun or something that shot that isn't, like, deadly,
• 59:56
  right? And they were like, well, if it
• 59:58
  explodes, just make sure it's red so that if they see it and
• 1:00:01
  they think it's blood and they're shocked that they run.
• 1:00:03
  Yeah. And I was like, OK, so I did
• 1:00:05
  learn that. I don't know what that means,
• 1:00:08
  but you know. I had a marshmallow gun when I
• 1:00:10
  was a child and I shot my mom in the eye with it once, so that
• 1:00:13
  was really fun. I got in a lot of trouble for
• 1:00:15
  that. Did it have like a high like a
• 1:00:18
  little thingy that make? I don't even know what those are
• 1:00:21
  called though. It was made out of what are the
• 1:00:25
  white pipes? PVC it was made.
• 1:00:28
  Out of PVC, I got it like at a craft fair and it was like, you
• 1:00:32
  know, just like a punch to the thing you put the marshmallow in
• 1:00:35
  and you like. Punch it.
• 1:00:36
  It was almost like AI don't know, it reminded me of like a
• 1:00:39
  water gun type of thing that you pump.
• 1:00:42
  Yeah, shot my mom in the face with that and I was like a
• 1:00:44
  teenager at the time, so. You shot your mom in the face.
• 1:00:48
  With a marshmallow in the eye. This is going to become part of
• 1:00:52
  the lore. You know you shot your mom in
• 1:00:54
  the face. Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  OK. One tip, 1 safety tip.
• 1:00:58
  I saw that you have a bat. I do have a.
• 1:01:01
  Bat. Now I'm going to tell everybody
• 1:01:03
  out there, if you're not savvy in the protecting yourself,
• 1:01:08
  yeah, you have to put a sock on the end of your bat.
• 1:01:13
  Because if you go to hit somebody with the bat, they grab
• 1:01:16
  the bat from you and they can pull it back and get it away
• 1:01:18
  from you. But if you have a sock on the
• 1:01:20
  end of your bat, they go to grab the bat and the sock comes off
• 1:01:23
  and then you get a chance to really give them a good old
• 1:01:25
  whack. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:27
  So some good advice. That's my safety tip for
• 1:01:29
  everybody. One day when I get a third sock,
• 1:01:32
  I'm going to put it on the end of my back.
• 1:01:34
  When Dobby gets his sock, he'll put it on his back.
• 1:01:37
  I only have two socks right now. No one gave me any socks for
• 1:01:40
  Christmas. I know this is also where we get
• 1:01:45
  a special introduction to a part of Sister Wives culture.
• 1:01:49
  Now Sister Wives culture. Wow, that was a lot.
• 1:01:52
  My Sister Wives podcast is named lovingly after a store, a retail
• 1:02:00
  store started by Robyn or I'm not sure.
• 1:02:02
  I'm not sure we'd call it a store.
• 1:02:05
  My sister wives closet and this is the first time we get to see
• 1:02:10
  some of Robbins designs being given to the other wives.
• 1:02:14
  I believe it's a necklace. Necklace.
• 1:02:17
  With some charms, yes, of some sort.
• 1:02:20
  It looked big and cheap. Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  And so that's our first extra special glimpse into my sister
• 1:02:28
  wife's closet. Yeah, it looked like something
• 1:02:31
  that you would have gotten from Claire's, like a friendship
• 1:02:34
  necklace on like a one of those beaded chains that people also
• 1:02:38
  use for key chains or something. Like it just looked chintzy.
• 1:02:42
  It looked definitely not like something you spend hundreds of
• 1:02:45
  dollars on. No.
• 1:02:47
  Let alone 9995, which is probably what she was like.
• 1:02:50
  We can retail everything for 9995 and it's like honey, this
• 1:02:53
  is like $12.00 at the mall. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:02:57
  It's a big moment for us Sister Wives fans.
• 1:02:59
  We get our first Robyn jewelry in this episode.
• 1:03:03
  Season 4, Episode 1. Thank you, Robyn.
• 1:03:07
  Now we get one of those random cuts that this fucking
• 1:03:09
  production company loves to do where Kody and Christine are
• 1:03:12
  sitting in a bedroom that looks like it has like 2 twin beds or
• 1:03:15
  something. Like they're both sitting on a
• 1:03:16
  bed and Kody's like, am I? Am I out of the doghouse?
• 1:03:20
  And it's like, Oh my God. For this ring.
• 1:03:23
  Yes. And Christine's, you know, like,
• 1:03:26
  well, you come over as late as you can and you leave as early
• 1:03:28
  as you can. And it's like, Oh my God, like,
• 1:03:31
  oh, things are not going well. They are not communicating well.
• 1:03:35
  Even this little bit is totally rushed through.
• 1:03:37
  Like I was like, I didn't surmise anything from it other
• 1:03:40
  than they're not communicating well and they're not even hiding
• 1:03:44
  it. I kind of feel like he's just
• 1:03:46
  trying to brush over, brush through.
• 1:03:49
  I don't know if it's like if you would say minimizing her, but
• 1:03:52
  kind of like, oh, are we OK now and whatever.
• 1:03:56
  Yeah, that's for sure what he was doing.
• 1:03:57
  Like I bought you something that you wanted.
• 1:03:59
  That makes this better, right? Right.
• 1:04:01
  Total man thing. And meanwhile, she's like, no,
• 1:04:05
  like, we're not OK and things aren't good.
• 1:04:08
  But I didn't learn anything from this exchange.
• 1:04:09
  Was did anything stand out to you?
• 1:04:11
  No, I think it was just probably the producers trying to do a
• 1:04:14
  drawback to the beginning of the episode where they're struggling
• 1:04:17
  with their relationship, so they have to tie it up at the end
• 1:04:20
  that Nope, they're still struggling.
• 1:04:21
  They're still struggling like they have been from the
• 1:04:23
  beginning. Yes, and this was something too,
• 1:04:26
  with looking up stuff about Sister Wives.
• 1:04:28
  People say, oh, but after the third season, there's all these
• 1:04:32
  dull seasons and there's these things that not nothing matters.
• 1:04:36
  And then other people are saying, no, no, no, no.
• 1:04:38
  This is where you really get to see the shit falling apart.
• 1:04:42
  And so while we have seen and heard from Christine and others
• 1:04:45
  about the problems in their family, even in this episode,
• 1:04:49
  like Christine seems unhappy like the entire time.
• 1:04:53
  I mean, other than when she's being, you know, like it's hold
• 1:04:55
  of God, I'm being Christine. She's just like, I don't know.
• 1:04:58
  I'm not happy in my marriage. Things aren't going well.
• 1:05:01
  I'm I'm not who I used to be. You took my God damn holiday.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah, yeah, pissing me off. It's totally weird.
• 1:05:09
  And this is the thing about this show.
• 1:05:12
  It's like, so we're not going to actually dive into that.
• 1:05:15
  Like we're not going to really spend time on that in this
• 1:05:17
  episode. We're going to show all this
• 1:05:19
  other shit, but yet it's part of the episode, so it's kind of
• 1:05:23
  weird. And it is showing a little bit
• 1:05:25
  of the dissolution of the like, rose colored glasses, you know,
• 1:05:31
  that they put on the first few seasons.
• 1:05:33
  Like, I mean, they always touch on the problems in the marriages
• 1:05:37
  and how they have to work on their relationships and
• 1:05:40
  whatever. But I feel like this was very
• 1:05:43
  pointed of the producers to bring it back and like show this
• 1:05:46
  like kind of meaningless scene between them.
• 1:05:49
  They're trying to show the cracks.
• 1:05:52
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:05:54
  It's like they they're showing, but then they're not really
• 1:05:56
  telling, you know what I mean? Like they're not really giving
• 1:05:59
  us much. Yeah, that's.
• 1:06:00
  True. It's, it's a weird thing with
• 1:06:03
  the show because they're like painting this picture of a
• 1:06:07
  picture of this polygamist family and everything's great
• 1:06:12
  and everything's fine. And oh, sure, there's some
• 1:06:15
  struggles along the way and there's some bumps in the road.
• 1:06:17
  But look, we're having Christmas and it's like Meri was basically
• 1:06:22
  talking about how she's not supported and she has to do
• 1:06:24
  everything alone. Janelle got a lump of coal for
• 1:06:27
  Christmas. Christine's like, I'm unhappy
• 1:06:30
  and I've been unhappy and nothing's changing and it just
• 1:06:32
  doesn't seem to be getting any better.
• 1:06:34
  And Robyn's like, I got a guitar, like, you know,
• 1:06:38
  whatever. In her own little world, getting
• 1:06:40
  the men sent to her place to help her and.
• 1:06:43
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, extra special, Robyn and then Kody tells the
• 1:06:47
  family that they found property that they're interested in.
• 1:06:50
  Oh, and they'd like to get this property because then they could
• 1:06:53
  have 4 houses all by each other. So they all drive to the
• 1:06:57
  cul-de-sac option A, which we discussed earlier.
• 1:07:00
  They convoy to the cul-de-sac. They convoy to the cul-de-sac.
• 1:07:04
  Yes, they do. They're opening boxes.
• 1:07:06
  You don't really know what's going on.
• 1:07:07
  And then maybe Robyn says something about like, oh, we're
• 1:07:10
  getting some. These are some special kites.
• 1:07:12
  These aren't normal kites. These are special kites.
• 1:07:15
  They're white kites, like snowflakes.
• 1:07:18
  Yeah. Which and then when they took
• 1:07:21
  them out, I was like, oh, the kites are kind of cute because
• 1:07:23
  they were like the big snowflakes or whatever.
• 1:07:25
  They were like, you know. They were pretty, but then yeah,
• 1:07:28
  they have all of their kids flying the white kites through
• 1:07:31
  the cul-de-sac. Like they didn't even say that
• 1:07:34
  they purchased the property yet and they're getting these kids
• 1:07:37
  hopes up. This is something they do to
• 1:07:39
  these kids all the time. Over promise and like under
• 1:07:45
  deliver to these kids and make decisions for the betterment of
• 1:07:51
  the family, but they're not even full blown decisions or thought
• 1:07:55
  out processes yet. And the kids are getting like
• 1:07:59
  thrown into it and it's like, why do you get these kids hopes
• 1:08:03
  up? And they're like involvement in
• 1:08:06
  some of these things. It's just kind of inappropriate
• 1:08:10
  and weird to me. Like, oh, let's go fly these
• 1:08:13
  beautiful white kites by our potential new home spot.
• 1:08:18
  I mean, I feel like I wouldn't do something like that unless I
• 1:08:20
  owned the property. Right.
• 1:08:23
  I also grew up with a parent that was like, oh, I don't know,
• 1:08:26
  I've been looking at property by Lake Havasu in Arizona.
• 1:08:29
  I think it'd be kind of fun if we all moved there.
• 1:08:32
  Well then I'm in 3rd grade going to school, being like, we're
• 1:08:33
  going to move to Lake Havasu, which we never did because my
• 1:08:36
  parents still live in the same house.
• 1:08:38
  My dad doesn't change anything, They don't do anything.
• 1:08:41
  So it was like this talk of things, which is weird when
• 1:08:44
  you're too young to conceptualize that talking about
• 1:08:47
  a plan isn't the same as making enough steps happen where it's
• 1:08:51
  confirmed and it's concreted. It is weird.
• 1:08:55
  Yeah. And it also gives an element of,
• 1:08:57
  like, for the show, they get to have this moment of the kids
• 1:09:00
  running down the street with the kites and, like, hope and
• 1:09:03
  promise and look at all the unknown.
• 1:09:05
  What's going to be so beautiful? Yeah.
• 1:09:07
  Well, hopefully it fucking works out.
• 1:09:09
  Right. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:09:11
  As a kid, that was moved a lot when I was younger and not
• 1:09:14
  because my dad was in the military.
• 1:09:15
  Everyone always thinks that with how many times we moved, it is
• 1:09:18
  like devastating to move. And it's a lot of work.
• 1:09:22
  And they put these kids through it so many times and then try to
• 1:09:27
  try to sell it to them each time about how great it's going to be
• 1:09:30
  and wonderful. And then they're never happy.
• 1:09:33
  Nothing's ever perfect. It's like, oh, we're too far
• 1:09:36
  away from each other now. And we're, you know, it's like,
• 1:09:40
  Oh my. Gosh, well, it's the hottest
• 1:09:41
  heels of the last season or them moving to Vegas.
• 1:09:45
  And we were discussing this about season 3.
• 1:09:48
  The older children are clearly unhappy with things and like
• 1:09:53
  they're they've been picked up from their old life and
• 1:09:55
  everything they knew moved to a new city.
• 1:09:58
  Some of them do seem to be making some inroads.
• 1:10:01
  And things will change over this next season.
• 1:10:03
  And as we know, like people adapt and teenagers will make
• 1:10:06
  new friends and things will happen.
• 1:10:08
  But yeah, hot off the heels of moving them to this new town,
• 1:10:10
  they're all in different rentals, not living together,
• 1:10:13
  which they have for their entire life.
• 1:10:16
  Bring in this new woman, have a child with her, and everyone's
• 1:10:20
  supposed to be like, it's amazing.
• 1:10:22
  Solomon's amazing. Meanwhile, maybe they feel like
• 1:10:25
  that a little bit, but they don't have to feel like it's a
• 1:10:29
  solve for everything. Yeah, and they're allowed to be
• 1:10:32
  upset. Well, and now to be like, we're
• 1:10:34
  going to maybe move here like. And it might not be in the
• 1:10:37
  school district that you're supposed to be.
• 1:10:39
  Yeah. Like, those are decisions.
• 1:10:41
  Those are things that you should know when the school district
• 1:10:44
  thing came up. And they're like unsure of what
• 1:10:46
  school district it was in and if it's the one their kids are in.
• 1:10:49
  I'm like you idiots. Like I was still pregnant when
• 1:10:53
  we were looking at houses. And that's like the first thing
• 1:10:56
  that you ask is about the school district for your kids sake.
• 1:11:00
  Like it should be about that first and foremost, as opposed
• 1:11:03
  to like, I don't know. Yeah, like secondary or
• 1:11:07
  tertiary. Yeah, it's just weird.
• 1:11:09
  It'll be interesting to take note as we move forward the
• 1:11:12
  promise versus delivery on certain things because while
• 1:11:17
  Kody didn't say we're moving here next week, it's, you know,
• 1:11:22
  so I don't know that it was a promise, but that's not what
• 1:11:24
  it's like when you're a kid. Kids don't have a concept of
• 1:11:26
  time, so you're getting their hopes up over this thing that is
• 1:11:30
  still a complete farce at this point.
• 1:11:34
  It's a thing that you're, you know, dreaming about and hoping
• 1:11:37
  for, but it's not a picture in reality yet.
• 1:11:42
  Like, really? Yeah, but they're out there
• 1:11:44
  flying kites. Snowflake kites.
• 1:11:46
  And kids don't understand how long stuff like that takes to
• 1:11:48
  like build homes and what not too.
• 1:11:51
  And when did the vision change from them sharing one large home
• 1:11:57
  to the four separate homes? I think, yeah, in the last
• 1:11:59
  season when they were looking at properties, it became more
• 1:12:02
  apparent that having like a four unit dwelling in a city, it has
• 1:12:06
  to be zoned in a place where like it could be a town home
• 1:12:09
  situation and it has to look like townhomes.
• 1:12:11
  Like you can't have four dwellings where it looks like a
• 1:12:14
  single family residence. Like there's issues with that.
• 1:12:18
  So I think the finding the four homes also did satiate some of
• 1:12:22
  the wives wanting a little bit more autonomy and wanting to be
• 1:12:27
  more individual while also being next to each other.
• 1:12:29
  What's funny is we find out in the future that, for example,
• 1:12:33
  Meri and Janelle would be taking out the garbage on the
• 1:12:38
  cul-de-sac and they wouldn't even, like, acknowledge each
• 1:12:40
  other. Oh my gosh.
• 1:12:42
  So, yeah, you're close. But yeah, that doesn't, you
• 1:12:46
  know, there's all sorts of things.
• 1:12:47
  Yeah. They've romanticized the idea of
• 1:12:49
  having the four houses next to each other.
• 1:12:51
  And I can see why. I can see why you would want to
• 1:12:54
  do that in this situation. I don't know if it's like, why
• 1:12:57
  if they lived out of city limits, they could just build
• 1:12:59
  the property that they want, like a big fourplex house.
• 1:13:02
  Like, I don't really get that. And they don't really get too
• 1:13:04
  into the weeds about it. Yeah, but.
• 1:13:08
  I cannot even imagine sharing like in a huge home like that
• 1:13:12
  with all of the kids in one spot.
• 1:13:15
  There would be a lot of like, infighting and like, it would be
• 1:13:21
  chaos with the kids, I would think.
• 1:13:22
  Yeah, well, we talked about with the book in Becoming Sister
• 1:13:25
  Wives. And then I think maybe even in
• 1:13:27
  Christine's recent book talks of how when they were in the Lehigh
• 1:13:31
  home, how Meri had the like connecting unit where like you
• 1:13:35
  could go from Janelle's to Christine's through Meri's.
• 1:13:38
  And at some point she kind of just put her foot down and was
• 1:13:40
  like, I don't need my apartment to be the go through.
• 1:13:44
  And the back of the house was like it was a split level and a
• 1:13:46
  walkout. So it was like, just go outside
• 1:13:48
  to go from place to place. Well, it is Utah in the winter.
• 1:13:52
  Do you want to go outside to go from house to house?
• 1:13:53
  Probably not. But also like, well, why is Meri
• 1:13:57
  get to be pigeonholed the bitch? Because she doesn't want her
• 1:14:00
  apartment to function as a hallway for 12 kids to be
• 1:14:04
  running back and forth. I would hate it would drive me
• 1:14:06
  nuts. I would never be able to do
• 1:14:08
  that. So it's like, yeah, the there's
• 1:14:12
  never going to be the perfect solution.
• 1:14:14
  Kody does try to build the perfect solution in the future
• 1:14:17
  and they all find reasons to tear it apart basically, except
• 1:14:20
  for Janelle, because Janelle once again is family first.
• 1:14:24
  Family first. Yeah, Yep.
• 1:14:26
  So when they're wrapping up the episode, we do get a voice over
• 1:14:29
  from Kody talking about how he's looking forward to the next
• 1:14:32
  year. So, you know, it's holiday end.
• 1:14:34
  Great things are coming to the Brown family.
• 1:14:36
  White kites, white flags floating in the air.
• 1:14:40
  When you said white kites, I was like, Oh my God, what's she
• 1:14:42
  going to say? What's happening?
• 1:14:43
  Sounded a little like, oh God, what's happening?
• 1:14:45
  White kites. White Kites.
• 1:14:48
  I mean, it's a little like, and it's a little weird too, yeah,
• 1:14:51
  but. Yes, yes, yes.
• 1:14:54
  So just like the Browns, we are going into a new year.
• 1:14:57
  It's a new year for us. It's a new year for the Browns.
• 1:15:00
  We will not be building 4 houses on a cul-de-sac.
• 1:15:02
  Why not? But maybe the Browns will be so
• 1:15:06
  darling. We're coming to the point of the
• 1:15:08
  episode where we do mustard seed and shit stain.
• 1:15:11
  Our highs and lows are Rose and Thorn of the episode.
• 1:15:14
  Now, do you have anybody that's speaking to you as a mustard
• 1:15:17
  seed or a shit stain in this episode?
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  Because we can start with either one.
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  Mustard seed would be Meri. OK, OK.
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  Back in that car. By yourself.
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  By her damn self. Being a boss bitch.
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  Getting the work done, son without the sons.
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  Yes. Without any sons.
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  Absolutely. Yep.
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  So your mustard seed is Meri. Totally deserving.
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  I've given Meri a mustard seed to Meri, and sometimes
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  begrudgingly because there are those episodes where I'm like
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  fucking Meri, but then I'm like, gotta give it to Meri.
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  I think my mustard seed this episode, I would say would go to
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  Janelle because I do. It was a good reminder to chat
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  with you about how Janelle always puts family 1st.
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  And I liked that when they were in the rental, she was out
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  playing tennis with the kids. Yeah.
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  And we didn't see what she got for a gift, which probably means
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  she didn't get a great gift I'm assuming.
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  She got the potpourri. She got all four of the
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  potpourri potions 4. Of them, one for each drawer in
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  her dresser to make her knickers smell good.
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  Oh, Janelle's knickers, Janelle's knickers smelling like
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  potpourri. So I'm going to give my mustard
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  seed to Janelle, which is not a common thing for me.
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  I, you know, Janelle, I'll give it to Janelle for sure.
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  Now shit stain. Shit stain is a whole other
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  story. Now what do you think for shit
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  stain? Oh boy, there's a few things in
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  that episode that like just irked me.
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  My shit stains got to go to Kody for the potpourri and taking
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  those kids to that store, Like, what was he thinking?
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  That was not a store to take kids to, to pick gifts out at.
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  That was a very odd choice. It definitely was an odd choice.
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  And of course Kody has received many a shit stains on this.
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  I mean, he is a A smear. Yeah, he is a shit stain on
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  society, as we all know. My shit stain.
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  I think I'm going to give my shit stain to Christine because
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  she does this thing where it's like I'm unhappy, things are
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  terrible, blah blah blah. But I don't think she.
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  I don't know if I can blame her for not having the vocabulary or
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  I don't even know if it's a lack of vocabulary, but like she does
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  that thing where she's like, I'm going to be OK, everything's
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  fine. I'm Christine.
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  She's very Disney Princess. Everything's great.
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  When in all reality she's like tortured and miserable and
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  whatever. I'm like, I don't know, girl.
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  Like pick a lane. This one is a little tough for
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  me and no one really stood out to me as too awful or too great.
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  So an odd one for me, but I'm going to give my shit stained to
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  Christine. Sorry, Christine.
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  I mean, I would totally. If we weren't giving our shit
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  stains to a person, my shit stain would be that gift.
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  Oh yes you can. Horrible if you were giving my
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  shit stain to Savannah, the little like 8 year old girl for
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  giving her that gift. Girl, Oh my God.
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  We have been known to give a mustard seed to a child.
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  I don't know if we've given a shit stain to a child on this
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  show yet. So there, there's there's room
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  for that because that was a first.
• 1:18:29
  Our keep sweet moment this week comes to us from Azory.
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  Now Azory, this is a username AAZARIE.
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  So Azory and Azory says on our season 3 episode 9 college bound
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  Browns. You would be concerned how many
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  RE watches I've done of your episodes on this holiday break,
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  which I love because this is a show about binging a show and
• 1:18:56
  then talking about it. So binging this show only makes
• 1:18:59
  sense. I support it.
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  It doesn't sound like there's any mental health issues here.
• 1:19:04
  Sounds like everything's great. In fact, I hope you listen to
• 1:19:07
  this episode at least five times.
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  Share it with all your friends, share it with your family.
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  Give us five stars. I love it.
• 1:19:16
  I know, right? Thank you, Azuri for the love
• 1:19:18
  and for continuing to listen and re listen, re listen, keep
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  listening. We are putting out these
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  episodes on Patreon first. This will be available on other
• 1:19:26
  streaming services in the near future.
• 1:19:29
  We hope you enjoy this upcoming season.
• 1:19:31
  We've got some special things planned.
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  And if you are a member of our Patreon, obviously, like I said
• 1:19:36
  earlier, we're going to be doing the MI the Asshole podcast.
• 1:19:38
  So exciting. And we have some other special
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  treats coming to you in 2026. It'll be fun and I'm happy to be
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  here. Thank you so much for joining
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  us, Kimber, is there any life advice you would like to offer
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  our listeners right now that are just getting introduced to you
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  now? Make sure to make it seem really
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  crazy and weird and strange so that they have an opportunity to
• 1:19:56
  really get to know you. Other than putting a sock on the
• 1:20:00
  end of your yes, put. A sock on the end of your bat.
• 1:20:02
  Sock on the end. Of And how many wise men were
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  there at the Nativity? 3 Thank you.
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  Three wise men. Well, are any men wise?
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  There were three men. Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  There were three men. 3. Men, let's just go with that.
• 1:20:16
  Oh boy. Amazing.
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  Thank you for joining me for your first episode, Kimber.
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  So much fun. Yes.
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  All right, Bye, everybody. Bye.