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August 11, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

• 0:22
  SPEAKER_21: So, have you heard the story of what happened to President Donald Trump in Turkey going back to my birthday on July 8th?
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_21: I've seen this story floating around in different versions of this credible Iranian assassination threat against the president.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_21: And I've kind of been the stories that I'd seen so far, it's been out there for at least a week or so.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_21: And the stories that I've seen so far was kind of like, well, this is really odd.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_21: I don't know if I want to, I don't know if I want to get into it on the show.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_21: And welcome to it.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_21: It's the John Justice Show presented by American Experiment.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_21: I'm your host, John Justice.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_21: We have producer uh Devin running the board on this morning.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_21: It is primary day here in Minnesota.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_21: We'll certainly be talking about that during today's show.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_21: Policy fellow uh Josiah Padley will be joining us at 8:30 to talk about one of my biggest pet peeves, and that is why parents need to go and spend money buying school supplies at the start of every single school year when our taxpayer dollars go to fund education.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_21: It drives me nuts.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_21: I'm so glad my boys are both graduated, so I don't have to worry um about this.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_21: But we'll talk to her uh coming up at uh 8:30 this morning.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_21: So there was a credible assassination attempt against President Donald Trump, wherein they ended up using a decoy aircraft to get the president out of Turkey while the journalists and the rest of the staff took Air Force One, which acted as the decoy to its destination.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_21: The operation involved switching aircraft and transponder signals to ensure Trump's safety.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_21: So I'll give you further details on this in in just a moment.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_21: But I'll tell you the the instinctive reaction that I had to this was well, what about the journalists?
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_21: I mean, if this was a credible threat against the president and they're putting him on a C-32A aircraft as a decoy, and then they're still sending Air Force One fully loaded with passengers, okay.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_21: Well, they were unaware.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_21: You'll you'll hear in the story.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_21: They were completely unaware that there was any situation going on whatsoever.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_21: So I want to get your thoughts.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_21: The blaster line is 612-584-4565.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_21: You can email me john.justice at americanxperiment.org.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_21: Remember, you can watch on uh X at Mn Think Tank, also on uh Facebook and YouTube at the American uh Experiment uh Facebook and YouTube pages, and of course you can listen on the MixLR app as well.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_21: And I do suggest that you listen.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, if you listen to the live stream, you can certainly go to americanxperiment.org and listen there.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_21: But I do suggest that you um use the MixLR app.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_21: That's the cleanest, easiest way, and the podcasts are available uh after the show every day, uh every day as well.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_21: So my my opinion on the situation did change because initially, again, my concern was wow, what a way to go and I mean put the journalists in danger.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_21: I immediately thought of my friend Um Katie Pavlich with with uh News Nation because she's often flown on Air Force, on Air Force One as a journalist.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_21: So um now my view on this changed from concern, and then I I kind of went to, yeah, this is standard, this is somewhat standard protocol.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_21: So let me give you the details, but I would like to hear from you uh in these opening segments on the show for a Tuesday.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_21: David Gartenstein Ross, our AI analyst and expert.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_21: He will be joining us at uh 8:30.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_21: So you are welcome to get any artificial intelligence related questions in now for David, and do that through the blaster line.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_21: 612-584-4565.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_21: You leave a message, just hit pound when you're done, and it gets sent right to me.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_21: So let me give you some details on this.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_21: So Trump was secretly flown out of Turkey.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_21: He was on board an alternate military aircraft because of an Iranian assassination threat.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_21: This is according to sources cited by the Washington Post yesterday in their exclusive story.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, the operation took place on my birthday on July 8th.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_21: I just need to note that it was my birthday.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_21: I mean, come on.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_21: As Trump left Ankara after the NATO summit amid heightened tensions with Iran, citing officials and sources familiar with his travel.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_21: In full view of the cameras, Trump initially boarded the legacy blue and white Boeing 747 that serves as Air Force One when the president is on board.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_21: But minutes later, Trump and several aides were secretly moved from the aircraft to an airport catering truck and taken to an Air Force C-32A, a modified Boeing 757.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_21: When I read the details on this initially, I kind of didn't I didn't land when I saw catering, I immediately thought of Taylor Swift.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_21: And for those that don't know, during her era's tour, they would like bring her out between stages like in a like a catering box.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_21: So there was footage of like fans.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_21: There were footage of fans showing Taylor Swift's in the box.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_21: I was thinking, Donald Trump's in a catering box.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_21: No, he was actually in a he was in a catering truck.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_21: So the larger aircraft then served as a decoy carrying the journalists and some White House staff who were unaware that Trump was on the plane.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_21: The operation was prompted by what U.S.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_21: officials describe as a credible Iranian threat against the president.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_21: Now, Trump's actual aircraft threw from Turkey to Britain using the call sign Reach 18, doing that thing with my fingers, no idea what that means.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_21: Or RCH 18 rather than Air Force One, according to the Post.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_21: The other question I have with all of this is: are we giving away trade secrets?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_21: Like, is the Washington Post exposing how we go and protect the president by releasing all this information?
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_21: I mean, maybe I shouldn't say that.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_21: We know the Washington Post.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_21: They're huge fans of President Donald Trump.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_21: So the operation came the night after U.S.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_21: forces renewed the strikes against Iran at Trump's direction following the breakdown of the negotiations between Washington and Tehran, aimed at ending the months-long war.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_21: The aircraft transponder was actually was switched off of President Donald Trump's plane.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_21: I'm getting looks from Devin.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_21: I mean, I so here's here's where I landed on this as we get some comments rolling in.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_21: Did you have uh, just out of curiosity, did you have an instinctive reaction to this, uh, Devin?
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_21: Not really.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_21: No concern over the journalist safety or a little bit concerned, but you gotta protect.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_21: I have faith that it'll work out in the end.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, you gotta, you gotta, you have to protect.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_21: You have to protect the the the president.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_21: Um let's go to the um let's go to the blaster line.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_21: Again, 612-584-45065.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_21: We'll hear from a friend of the show, Joe.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_18: Good morning, John.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_18: This is Joe.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_18: Hey, you know, you gotta leave the journals and other people on Air Force One to make it, you know, a reliable or credible test to make it a good decoy.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_18: But the cynical side of me says, what national resources we had an overabundance of and can uh afford to lose have a great day.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_21: No, you're right, but the more that I thought about it, like initially I thought so my ins here's here was my instinctive reaction.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_21: Like, what a jerk move.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_21: That was my reaction, not keeping the president safe.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_21: I absolutely understand the importance of doing that, but putting all these journalists at risk.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_21: But then I thought about it, and because my mind always goes to movies, I was immediately reminded of the Ben Affleck, um Tom Clancy, Jack Ryan, Some of All Fears film, wherein there was a credible threat against the president at, I believe it was the Super Bowl.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_21: I think it was in Maryland.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_21: Uh fictitious games.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_21: I always hate it when they do that in movies, when they have football teams where they have all other different names and actual football teams.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_21: It just completely takes me out of it every single time, including uh Dark Knight Rises.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_21: But I was thinking about that moment, and this is not the first time in in pop culture and movies or television when a president had a threat and had to be run out of a room, right?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_21: Well, when they run the president out of a location, they're not going and rushing everybody else out.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_21: So, like in some of all fears, spoiler alert, everybody in the stadium ends up dying because the nuclear bomb goes off.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_21: So the more I thought about it, I was like, yeah, this is pretty standard fare.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_21: Do journalists, I assume journalists must have to sign a waiver before they hop on, you know?
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_21: Although if you're dead, I guess it doesn't matter at the end of the day, but your families could go and sue.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_21: Uh Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, separately boarded the C-32A using external stairs as part of an effort to make the flight appear routine.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_21: Heggseth went with Trump to Britain to aboard the craft.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_21: As journalists boarded the Legacy Air Force One in Ankara, White House staff instructed them to close their window shades, according to the media poll report cited by the newspaper.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_21: The White House publicly said that Trump left Turkey aboard the Legacy Air Force One.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_21: Trump had announced on social media that he planned to use the older aircraft instead of the Boeing 747-8 given the United States by the United States by um Cutter and recently placed into presidential service.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_21: Now, White House Communications Director did not directly address the details of the reported operation in the statement, but the post um to the post, but defended the security of the newer craft, saying the new Air Force One is state-of-the-art aircraft that's been fitted with high-level security protocols that ensured the safety of the president and his staff.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_21: As the president has said recently, there are many enemies of America who have their sights on him and use every tool at our disposal to address those threats.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_21: A Pentagon spokesperson referred to the post question to the White House.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_21: So the other aspect of this particular story was that, uh, and I saw this in a in a separate report, and that was that this Air Force One that served as the decoy with the journalists was not equipped with the defensive measures like typical aircraft used as Air Force One.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_21: And so what I just read there would be the White House pushing back on that.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_21: And if there's a credible threat against the president, regardless of the technical capabilities in terms of defensive measures of Air Force One, and again, speaking of movies, I'm reminded of the film Air Force One with Harrison Ford, in which that aircraft had a bunch of defensive measures.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_21: Fantastic film, by the way, but holy cow, they need a special edition to redo the end of it when spoiler alert, Air Force One crashes into the ocean because that is some of the worst CGI that I've ever seen in my entire life.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_21: As a matter of fact, there's a group, a corridor crew, there are these young um special effects experts, and they do uh weekly uh videos showcasing uh CGI in films.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_21: And they did Air Force One at one point in time and they just ripped it to shreds.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_21: As a matter of fact, I think they recreated the end of that film with Air Force One crashing to make it better than the original one was.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_21: But my point is getting back on track, it's that I don't buy this.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_21: That aspect of the story seems like a means for the Washington Post to try to go and criticize Trump based off of the gifted 747 from Cutter that we received, because obviously Democrats got all up in arms about that issue.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_21: So it seems like this story in and of itself is fascinating from the threat aspect, from what I mentioned about the journalist being the decoy.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_21: But then the Washington Post wanted to go and take it a step further and go and say, and you know, you know, it's if it wasn't for the fact that Trump took this free aircraft from Cutter, you know, it wouldn't have been a problem.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_21: I don't think that's the case, despite what kind of defensive measures if you the aircraft has.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_21: If you have a credible threat against President Donald Trump, yeah, you're gonna do everything you can to go and protect him.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_21: And as I mentioned, uh my initial thought of, wow, what a jerk move, was immediately replaced by, what else do you do?
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_21: I mean, you if you go and you remove all the journalists from Air Force One who know that they are putting themselves at risk, and I guess that's another part of this I should mention, is that if you are going on board Air Force One on a trip overseas, you have to understand that the president is going to be a target for, you know, for any adversary of the United States.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_21: So I suppose that risk is uh is embedded, but just a wild, wild story.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_21: You know what's a bummer?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_21: Uh you know, the biggest bummer of this is well, okay, let me back up.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_21: Not the biggest bummer of the story.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_21: That would be really insensitive.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_21: Okay.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_21: I'm glad the president's safe.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_21: You know, these types of alleged attempts against his life happen far too often.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_21: We talk about it a lot on the show.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_21: So as a um as a side note, though, uh, it would be, this would make an awesome story.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_21: This would be an incredible like Netflix story.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_21: I don't know how you would, I mean, I don't know how you would roll it in.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_21: Like you get Taylor Sheridan of Lioness Fame.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_21: The new season started, by the way.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_21: Usually I'm a proponent of when they release episodes one week at a time, right?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_21: Because I like to spread it out.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_21: I won them all after the first episode of Lioness this season.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_21: Anyways, you get Taylor Sheridan, who also, you're probably more familiar with Yellowstone, who also went and uh, you know, was the writer on Yellowstone.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_21: You get him to go and pen the script, and this could be a harrowing story.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_21: But unfortunately, uh, because it's uh President uh Donald Trump, I just don't think we'll ever get a good version of this, which is kind of a bummer.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_21: Maybe Angel Studios or the Daily Wire Studios can go and make a make a film uh make a make a film about it.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_21: There's a new Run Hide Fight, by the way.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_21: Did you run Hyde Fight, Devin?
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_21: Do you have any idea what I'm talking about?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_21: I have not seen it.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_21: Okay.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_21: Do you know what I'm talking about, though?
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_21: I do, though.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_21: Great movie.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_21: Great movie.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_21: There's a brand new one out now.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_21: I have not watched it yet.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_21: It's uh Run Hide Fight Jihadists, I believe is what it's called.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, and it's really interesting too because that I can't remember his name, but the star in the it's not a sequel.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_21: I think they're just using the Run Hide Fight label to make a series of movies.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_21: The first one was about a high school shooting for those that aren't aware.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_21: Um, but the uh the actor starring in Run Hide Fight Jihadis is the uh actor who was embroiled in controversy in the MCU.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_21: He was supposed to be the next big bad that was being teed up, and then he had some allegations levied against him, and he was ostracized out of Hollywood.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_21: He also starred in the movie Devotion with uh Glenn Powell, which was a really good uh film.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_21: So he's uh he's the he's the star.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_21: He's the star in that movie.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_21: I can't remember his name now.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_21: You know what?
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_21: I'll look it up.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_21: I'll look it up coming up here in uh in just a moment on the show.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_21: Uh again, the blaster line is 612-584-4565.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_21: If you want to leave us a uh comment at any point uh during the show uh this morning, we actually had a comment that rolled in super early.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_21: I was already up.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_21: But this individual was up at 245 and left us this comment.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_18: Hi John, coming into primary day, it's a good time to remind everyone that we conservatives are the indulgent room.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_18: We can't indulge in fantasies about candidates that can't win.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_18: Lisa Damas is the only candidate that asked about what she's done.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_18: Mike Lindell has made so many misjaps around there that our hardest chances of winning in the general election is to vote for Mike Lindell.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_21: You know, the most important thing today is just get out and vote, regardless of who your candidate is.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_21: And as I mentioned, um, you know, in these closing hours before the polls close this uh this evening, you know, do not disparage uh your fellow voter for supporting somebody who you don't.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_21: Everybody has their has their reasons.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_21: I will um I'm still deciding on whether or not I want to do my predictions this morning.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_21: Not an endorsement, by the way, my predictions.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_21: Um I do have a story for the eight o'clock hour today, talking about primary day today that we will uh we'll get into.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_21: I've written my predictions down.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_21: I'm just not 100% sure whether I'm gonna go and and share them with everybody yet.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_21: So I'll make that decision in uh the next uh hour and uh 45, 45 minutes.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_21: So uh coming up, uh newly released uh Fauci documents.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_21: Detail just how truly sick of this individual was.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_21: I will share with you uh the latest, as our adopted senator from Wisconsin, Ron Johnson, released uh private messages from uh Fauci's old government phone.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_21: Which reminds me, when are we gonna get the uh the phone logs for uh horny her, the St.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_21: Paul mayor?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_21: That I'm looking forward to.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, details on that.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_21: Speaking of uh vaccines, by the way, Trump has ordered a major overhaul of childhood vaccine recommendations.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_21: So I'll give you details um on what those over what that overhaul actually entails.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_21: And get your artificial intelligence related questions in on anything.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_21: I had a back and forth with David last week because I during our conversation, I kind of threw him, I kind of threw him for a loop because I mentioned and asked him a question of which I did not prepare him for.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_21: Uh thankfully, he was quick to deliver and he assured me he will always deliver.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_21: So any questions that you have regarding artificial intelligence, you can get those in now.
• 18:23
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• 18:26
  SPEAKER_21: Again, 612-584-4565.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_21: That is the blaster line.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_21: So leave those comments for David.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_21: John.justice at americanexperiment.org is the email uh address.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_21: We're gonna take a quick break.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_21: Here's some commentary.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_21: Uh Grace Keating from the American Experiment podcast, which will be out later on uh today, and a policy fellow and friend of the show, uh Matt Dean, discussing some of the latest uh issues.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_21: And we will get to Fauci in the hot seat as our adopted Senator Ron Johnson tears into what he says are truly sick vaccine texts here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: By the way, the class of 2025 just posted the worst academic performance on record for a graduating cohort.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: But wait, that's why they earned, of course, the highest graduation rate ever.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: Record low academic performance, they can't read at do math read at grade level, they can't do math at grade level, the schools aren't teaching them anything, but they're still graduating in record numbers.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_28: It's crazy, they do such a disservice.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_28: How do we expect them to be successful?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_28: We're just setting them up for um failure, which is really sad.
• 19:34
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• 19:36
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• 19:49
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• 19:54
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• 20:01
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• 20:04
  SPEAKER_28: I looked it up, and the percentage of children in poverty in Minnesota is about 10%, which is lower than the national average.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_28: So how come somewhere around a third, 33% say of children in Minnesota are on Medicaid if they aren't poor?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_23: Sure, my kids are grown now, but I had three kids that I raised, and for us, we could make over$100,000 a year, and still our kids would be on Medicaid, if you can imagine that.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_23: That's middle class.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_23: That's crazy.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_23: And uh, you know, we also as a state, I think we should really measure ourselves by how few people have to rely on the government for healthcare, not how many.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_23: But if you ask uh, you know, Governor Walls, he'll say the more people we feed, the better, the more people on government programs, the better.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_23: And that's really how he measures the state, and we really see that in the numbers in Medicaid, which have just exploded.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_25: Think about it.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_25: Black and Hispanic students in Mississippi perform better in reading and math than black and Hispanic students in Minnesota.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_25: And Mississippi spends thousands of dollars less per student than Minnesota.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_25: Mississippi spends less money, gets better results, and their achievement gaps are closing, while ours are getting worse.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_25: Think about it.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_25: It's time for real education reform so Minnesota can catch up to Mississippi.
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  SPEAKER_25: It's brought to you by Center of the American Experiment, Minnesota's think tank.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_23: You have to ask yourself, how in the heck can we be spending that much more money on Medicaid?
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  SPEAKER_23: And we're really looking into that because we think a lot of that money is going to people who are dead, people who live in other states, people who are on more than one program.
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  SPEAKER_23: And you are not surprised because you've seen that on so many different programs in the state of Minnesota.
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  SPEAKER_23: But Medicaid is by far the biggest enchilada when it comes to that.
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  SPEAKER_03: That blows my mind.
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  SPEAKER_23: the state they still get a check for you every month.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_23: And if you are um if you are covered by more than one program or you get married and you're on your your husband or wife's plan, they still get a check unless that is circumvented.
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  SPEAKER_23: So they have sort of a a very vested interest in not finding you.
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  SPEAKER_21: And again commentary between Grace Keating and Matt Dean.
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  SPEAKER_08: Hide fight infidels.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_21: Oh that's right.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_21: It's run hide fight infidels, not run, hide fight jihadists.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_21: But you know actually no those are two separate things aren't they I was going to say six one half a dozen the other but those actually mean two completely separate things.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_21: Thank you uh for uh for the update on that uh Andrew uh and I'm just curious have you seen it?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_21: Have you watched it yet?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_21: I do want to watch it.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_21: Unfortunately I did not have time uh to go and uh track down what that actor's uh name was so um I will do so let's go here though breaking right down Republican senators Ron Johnson and Rand Paul releasing the first batch of text messages from Dr.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_22: Anthony Fauci's government iPhone in one exchange from January of 2021 Fauci then CDC director Rochelle Walensky and then Surgeon General Vivek Murphy discussed COVID vaccination and pregnant women flags a potential concern after the second dose writing that many people experienced quote significant cytokine storm and fever and that this quote theoretically could be associated with miscarriage in the first trimester Walensky responds quote definitely a good point especially after dose two a cytokine storm is essentially when the body releases too many inflammatory signals that could cause high fever inflammation and in extreme cases life-threatening illness so this is just coming to light now Sandra that Fauci had these concerns and I remember when I got the boosters uh I developed pericarditis then that went away then when I had the second booster it came roaring back again so you know the body reacts differently to these things depending on who you are you know getting into the details of this story uh the Senate Republicans and again that was reporting from uh Fox News yesterday when the story broke um Fauci's old government phone uh has revelations that the former COVID czar was concerned that vaccines could cause miscarriages and that was just the tip of the iceberg.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_21: Senator Ron Johnson, our adopted senator from Wisconsin uh said in an interview that the first batch of text of Fauci's old government iPhone was a clear sign that the man who became the face of the nation's COVID-19 response said one thing privately while taking a different message to the public.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_21: We tell pregnant women don't even have a glass of wine and yet we coerce them, convince them, and sometimes mandated them to get an experimental gene therapy as early as their first trimester I mean we had developed this vaccine which doing nothing with my fingers vaccine it's not really really a vaccine as many of you pointed out rightly so in the middle of all the controversies going back to the height of of COVID.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_21: No, this is when we already knew what we needed to know and yet they still perpetuated these lies here's the question that I have how many others were aware how many other individuals were aware that Fauci was taking a different message publicly than what was being discussed privately this falls in line by the way with so many of the rules that we have and laws that we have in Minnesota these rules for thee and not for me this I this the hypocrisy that runs rampant through a Democrat progressive liberal laws and policies and agendas.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_21: Like I'm reminded talking about this of how we open our most vulnerable our children to life devastating harmful transgender procedures and medications that will affect them for years to come long before their brains are fully developed enough to even understand what it is that they're doing.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_21: There is no such thing as a trans child.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_21: And yet we have laws in the state that govern how a child goes and gets its their their ears pierced or how old you have to be to go to a tanning salon?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_21: Make it make sense make this make sense we rightly talk about the dangers of smoking.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_21: We rightly talk about the dangers of drinking alcohol if you are pregnant and yet we were mandating forcing women to go and get experimental vaccines that we know now ended up causing bodily harm to individuals.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_21: So how many other people were aware of this how many other individuals Fauci was at the top of the pyramid of evil but who else knew and simply did nothing while this dangerous vaccine was perpetuated on the American public.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_21: That's what I would like to know we already know how evil Fauci is.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_21: I want to know who else is evil in the meantime keeping with the theme and we'll talk with David Gartz and Steinross here in uh just a moment President Donald Trump did sign an executive order yesterday on a side note but still talking about vaccines directing the federal government to overhaul childhood vaccine recommendations delivering a major policy victory to Health Secretary Robert F.
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  SPEAKER_21: Kennedy Jr.
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  SPEAKER_21: and the Make America Healthy Again movement.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_21: The order is dubbed the Gold Standard Child Vaccine Recommendation and it calls for reducing the number of diseases for which vaccines are routinely recommended for all children, spacing out childhood immunizations and eventually administering the combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine as three separate shots.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_21: The order vaccines for uh under the order vaccines for 11 diseases and again including measles, mumps, rubella, polio, whooping cough whooping cough would be recommended for all children um down from 18 under the current schedule.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_21: Vaccines for other several other diseases including hepatitis A and B and others would instead be recommended for certain higher risk groups through shared decision making between parents and doctors, which is how it absolutely should be Trump defended the changes during an Oval Office signing ceremony yesterday, saying that they would reduce the number of vaccines administered during individual visits and arguing that parents should have greater control over when their children receive shots.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_21: It's inconvenient it's five stops, but it's something that I think will have a huge impact on autism.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_21: So I wanted to make sure that I shared it with you because this is an incredibly positive thing that I can't imagine Democrats are going to be able to go and find something to criticize him for, but we also know what Trump derangement syndrome does to people so I would fully expect that people would find a way to go and criticize President Donald Trump for this.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_21: Now I actually have a um a virus related artificial intelligence story that I'll uh talk about with David Gartenstein Ross here in uh just a moment.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_21: Before we do that though I do want to bring in just a couple of comments relating to the story that we opened up the John Justice show presented by American Experiment with and that was Air Force One serving as a decoy because of a credible Iranian assassination threat to Air Force One.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_21: The president was put on board a C-32A and flown out of Turkey while the journalists and the staff of the president uh ended up flying back to the United States aboard Air Force One as it served as a decoy while the separate aircraft served as the president's Air Force One even though the call sign was reach uh 18.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_21: Friend of the show um Raquel wrote in and uh just said quite simply and I agree the president has to do what the Secret Service says he has no choice.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_21: And as I mentioned before my initial reaction of wow you know we're we really put all those journalists at risk but that would be the same regardless of where the president was if there was a threat against him at a banquet and he was rushed out of the room and we actually saw that at the when we're the White House correspondence dinner right all right before we bring uh David Gartenstein Ross in let's go and hear from a friend of the show Bob he has a thought on this fascination of President Trump the fascination of President Lincoln assassination of Ronald Reagan Republicans by the way somebody makes things in the world that actually work long term and that make the world a better claim for that strong opposition and threat remember Obama and Biden hath yeah he got cut off there at the end but he's right when you have an individual who is effective one way or another they end up becoming a a target for individuals jealous of that power or wanting to strip away that power on one of many different aspects.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_21: But he's right President Donald Trump certainly isn't the first to have assassination attempts or threats against him but it does seem like he seems to be uh leading the uh the record uh the record at the moment when it comes to those unfortunately uh it is the John Justice show presented by AmericanExperimenta.org remember you can watch at MnTank on X, also on YouTube and Facebook at Center of the American Experiment.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_21: Download the Mix Lr app if you haven't done so already you can listen to the show live there.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_21: You can always get caught up on the podcast and the videos that are posted to those platforms and all podcast platforms once the show wraps up at uh nine o'clock uh this morning an individual who's been with me for many many years serving as a counterterrorism expert but now serves as our AI analyst and uh expert joins uh joins us once again to talk about the latest in artificial intelligence and answer your questions this morning very pleased to welcome the CEO of Expert Theory David Gartenstein Ross Good morning David and good to speak to you once again this morning good morning John it's always great to join you so let's uh let's start here I have some I already have some questions uh lined up for you I have an email I have uh some uh blaster comments that have rolled in 612-584-4565 but we were just uh discussing uh Trump ordered some changes regarding uh vaccines their availability uh and uh requirements surrounding them we also had the story of uh texts from Anthony Fauci regarding COVID 19 revealing what he was saying privately versus public and I thought we'd start here with one of the stories that I grabbed for our conversation today.
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  SPEAKER_21: Artificial intelligence has taken another step into synthetic biology with researchers using a powerful AI model to design functional viruses from scratch in a breakthrough that could advance medicine while raising new biosecurity concerns.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_21: Now the synthetic viruses are not capable of infecting humans.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_21: Instead these bacteriophages based off of one particular virus it means they can only affect the E.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_21: coli bacterium in lab testing engineered phases uh phages successfully killed resistant bacteria strains that had evolved uh immunity into natural occurring um viruses the doctors say that through this AI technology they could successfully fight antibiotic resistant superbugs and deliver targeted gene uh therapies so what was your instinctive reaction uh to this uh story David I'm always curious sort of where your artificial intelligence expertise goes to when you see a story like this the main thing is that it's an acceleration of what's going on already um you know as you know you and I talked about COVID a lot obviously during that era and um one of the things early on that we both pinpointed was the um unjust suppression of what we can call the lab leak hypothesis that um COVID may have been started in a Chinese virology lab.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_24: Now without diving in that rabbit hole but that was kind of the anchor the reason I bring that up is because for a long time there's been a lot of work on viruses that in part is undertaken by scientists who create new viruses in order to figure out how to counter them.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_24: And that presents both um you know number one promise, right?
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_24: It's good to get out ahead of new um antibiotic resistant strengths of viruses and the like or um new dangerous pandemics that we could confront.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_24: But number two, if it escapes into the wild, it can cause uh massive harm to humans.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_24: And so one of the things we're seeing with AI is the massive acceleration of pre-existing promise and pre-existing peril.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_24: Same thing is could is true not just of human viruses but computer viruses.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_24: In the realm of computer viruses as we've seen um there is um a an increasing ability on the part of AI-powered agents to get into um to find code errors to exploit those code errors and to get into different systems that haven't been hacked previously.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_24: So that's the main thing I'm thinking about it's an acceleration of the system and acceleration is just inherently hard to deal with.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah I and I guess um I think this question comes up a lot in our discussions but you know we talk about how quickly AI has advanced again I just recall the first few conversations that you and I had versus you know where we are now and we're just seems like we're a light years ahead of where we even started with these conversations.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_21: But um are we even capable or is AI assisting in developing the needed sort of infrastructure and equipment to go and handle how fast AI is moving.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_21: Like I guess I'm curious if we're making new possible discoveries and breakthroughs with AI, but we just haven't reached the technical level to go and take advantage of that yet.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_21: Do you have any thoughts on that?
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_24: I think we can divide it into technical and political perspective.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_24: Right from a technical perspective the answer is unambiguously yes.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_24: I mentioned the ability to um find code exploits and to hack into more quickly way more different spaces that previously had not been hacked into.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_24: But also the frontier models have allowed companies to get out in front of those code exploits right they'll use the same AI to look at their own code and then you can use AI agents basically bots to patch your code.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_24: So that's technically us getting out in front and when you know in its mythos model which was one of the frontier models meaning one of the most advanced models that hadn't been publicly released when Anthropic realized just how effective it could be in getting into different code and systems where people had private information and that could otherwise cause damage to people they created a coalition of a number of different companies that would work together to try to patch code in advance of the frontier models being released.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_24: So technically yeah in terms of politics I mean you know are politicians going in a direction in which we trust them more and expect them to make wise decisions more or are they going in the opposite direction?
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_24: I mean just a quick look at national politics um and you know who's winning races and the like I mean you'll have Congress people who are arguing that we should abolish the police and abolish private property.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_24: It's not exactly like the folks I want dealing with these existential problems.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_24: Instead I'd rather have them in like a 1960s era time loop um and like let them do whatever damage they have in a time where we can be a little bit more frivolous.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_21: By the way just as a bit of a preview uh you you uh you reminded me I want to let uh you uh listening and watching know that speaking of artificial intelligence and what David just mentioned uh regarding current politics today uh with the rise of Democrat socialism within the Democrat Party I have a uh I have a treat for the audience uh today just before uh seven o'clock that I uh cannot wait to share with everybody.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_21: That's all I want to say.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_21: But I am I am uh I'm very pleased uh David I will forward uh you what I will share with the audience when I uh play it at the top of the hour because I think you'll get a they'll get a kick out of it this morning.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_21: So I just did a little bit of a preview.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_21: So uh the AI Overlords our uh in-house rock band was hard at work this morning I'll just uh I'll say that much um so listen with that let me let me go here real quick I want to deviate um because I want to I want to expand on what you were saying and I want to add an element to it you know what interests me most David right now when it comes to artificial intelligence it's the it's the unknown it's extrapolating the potential of what we know about artificial intelligence now and what it could possibly do in the future and I may have mentioned this before and this is more on an entertainment level but certainly you can apply it to medicine as well like I envision a time David where there will be a way wherein you could sit down you know like my wife and I could sit down on the sofa, type in to a prompt on our television, I want to watch a version of Star Wars as it was directed by David Fincher with these set of actors and it'll just create it.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_21: Or I want to watch a rom-com based off of this era and it'll just instantly go and create this for us to watch.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_21: And again as I say it I think we've talked about this before but um I'm fascinated by the possibility of what AI can do and who is out there thinking about the possibilities of AI advancement and how we can take advantage of it.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah and and for what you're talking about it it it's already able to do that if you if you're interested in just reading the script and not um like doing the whole production um is beyond what current AI is able to do at least cheaply right like what you're talking about I could like I could put that together right like it actually wouldn't like it's technically there's not an issue with putting that together.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_24: It would take some time because you'd have to stitch together multiple videos um there's a lot of of ways in which it would involve a great deal of human labor if you actually just wanted like a script of um like Star Wars as um written by um you know as as directed by Quentin Tarantino in the style of reservoir dogs right so you have at the very end like this utterly gruesome uh like rather than Death Star blowing up they just go you know stormtrooper to stormtrooper and like in a grisly way like kill them in sort of like we could kind of go on about like what reservoir dogs and Star Wars mashed up would look like but already you're imagining it and like I could actually like in less than an hour I could actually put together a full script of Quentin Tarantino's Star Wars.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_21: Well when you consider you know I've seen videos where people have done sort of similar versions to what I've to what I suggested they had to kind of patch it together.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_21: They had to piece it together but um I'm curious you know I wonder how many how many years out until what I mentioned will be possible.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_21: I know what you said right now we're not there to create a full you know 120 minute film with high production value but we've seen 30 seconds worth of footage like that and it's it's done pretty darn good.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_21: I mean I wonder how long until it will be able to create a 120 minute fully produced movie with sound effects and score and the whole nine yards.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_24: And what he'd said this is true whenever you're living is that the future is already here it's just unevenly distributed.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_24: Like what you're talking about may or may not come to pass.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_24: I mean the biggest limitation on what you're talking about is actually um you know the infrastructure of AI.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_24: Right when you look at the number of tokens that it would take um and if you look at kind of the controversy which we've talked about over data centers and the like it would be very energy intensive um you know very token intensive to do that.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_24: But can it be done?
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_24: Yes.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_24: And could one do it today?
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_24: Yes.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_24: Full stop right it's unevenly distributed.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_24: It would take a bit of human labor but like putting together a full two hour film of Quentin Tarantino's Star Wars like easy to do.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_24: Like it's not there's there's not a barrier to doing it.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_24: There's a little bit of a barrier to doing it well but that would exist even in the future
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_21: I want to bookmark because I want to uh I have some questions that rolled in for you.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_21: I have further uh comments regarding some of the stories that we shared, but I want to bookmark um data centers and make sure that we have a conversation maybe next week on that.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_21: I was reading up yesterday on a really fantastic angle of the, in some cases, not all, in some cases, the irrational pushback on data centers and how actually these data centers, depending on where they're being placed around the United States, they're actually reviving towns that had been lost because industries have have left.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_21: And so if you have a quick thought on that, but I would like to bookmark that and get into a larger conversation maybe uh maybe next week, because I had not heard that angle yet, and it was really interesting, as you mentioned, the need for data centers when it comes to AI advancement.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_24: No, I mean let's absolutely do that next week.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_24: Um quick thought is aligned with is aligned with you, right?
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_24: That that there's um there's some irrational fears, there's legitimate concerns.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_24: Um certainly our foreign adversaries are um have a hand in the mix in terms of amplifying those concerns, and there's ways to take into account the very legitimate concerns, but also do them right.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_24: Ultimately, we're going to need data centers.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_24: We don't necessarily need them in all the places where they're being proposed, and you know, putting them in certain places would hurt existing communities.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_24: There's ways to do it in a way where we get the AI infrastructure we need without fundamentally upending the lives of large communities, and in fact, um by having a net positive to communities, as you talked about.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_21: Talking with uh the CEO of Expert Theory, our AI uh expert and analyst, David Garkenstein-Ross, I had a question from a friend of the show, Teddy, that came in.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_21: Uh wanting to know, David, if you've had a chance to read the book by Pope Leo on the human uh person, the human person in the time of artificial intelligence.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_21: I'm unfamiliar with this book, but do you happen to know what Teddy is referring to?
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_21: And are you familiar with it?
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_24: Um so I'm familiar with uh I believe what he's referring to is something we actually um talked about um on um uh on in an interview with you previously.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_24: Um this is an encyclical letter um about the so it's it's uh an encyclical can look much like a book.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_24: Um it's not really a book.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_24: Um if if it's the encyclical letter that he's referring to, yeah, uh it is the encyclical.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_24: Just uh sorry, I did a quick uh Google search to make sure I was getting this right.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_24: But the encyclical letter is entitled Uh On Safeguarding the Human Person in the Time of Artificial Intelligence.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_24: And um, you know, the uh the answer is is yes.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_24: Um I think it's it's a document that's worth reading.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_24: Um I've talked about um some some of my uh hesitations um with kind of the direction of the Catholic Church.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_24: Um I do think that this is an area and and um uh let me kind of clarify that just so I I make so I I could foot stomp this.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_24: Um generally speaking, I'm an enormous fan of like what the Catholic Church stands for.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_24: Um, you know, like any institution that's been around for millennia, it gets some things right, some things wrong.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_24: But historically it's been a profoundly conservative institution, not in the political sense, but in the sense that when you have uh the weight of um you know papal authority, there is uh a need to safeguard the institution that comes with that.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_24: I do have concerns that that uh the Catholic Church has become much more of a contemporary rather than a timeless institution.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_24: Um and there's kind of a rabbit hole we could we could dive down on that.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_24: I do think that this encyclical is a lovely and very much worth-reading document that gets into a lot of those issues that are fundamental.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_24: As we've talked about, um, human dignity, what is the value of people, uh, what is the labor value of people, how does AI human collaboration look?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_24: These are all fundamental issues where um, you know, wise guidance from religious institutions is, I think, vital.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_21: Let's go to the uh blaster line, 612-584-4565.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_21: A friend of the show, Mike, has left us a blast.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_17: Good morning, John.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_17: Mike from Minnetaka.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_17: Hey, when the V comes on, if you could ask them three inquiries on your Apple phone, depending on what you asked it now, it'll sometimes ask you if it should use AI to do the search.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_17: Why would it do that?
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_17: If AI is the right way to do it, why wouldn't it just automatically use AI instead of making and making it into a question and waiting for an affirmative answer?
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_21: Uh David, your uh your thoughts on uh Mike and Minon Tanka's question there.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, I appreciate Mike's question.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_24: I I hadn't actually encountered this.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_24: I don't use Siri that often.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_24: Um, but another thing that makes it a weird query is that Siri is an AI.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_24: Like it's an AI asking you if if you want it to use AI.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_24: Like, dude, like I'm already talking to you, right?
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_21: That's I that's uh that's what I thought.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_21: But Siri didn't start out as an AI, right?
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_21: I mean Siri's been around for a while, long before what we know as AI today.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_21: Or am I wrong on that, David Gartenstein Ross?
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_24: No, Siri has always been an AI.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_24: It's just it was it it's it has evolved as an AI, right?
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_24: So like we get into the question of what is artificial intelligence, right?
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_24: And artificial intelligence, uh like large language models are new, but artificial intelligence and machine learning is older.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_24: Um there's a difference between um artificial intelligence and machine learning, but if you go back to when Sirius Siri was created, at that point we would refer to them as AI slash ML, putting them together.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_24: Um Siri has always been able to have a conversation with you.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_24: Like you can't have a conversation, generally speaking, with a computer without it being a form of like uh sorry, there's limits to this.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_24: But generally speaking, you cannot have a dynamic conversation with a computer, especially through voice, without there being some artificial intelligence or machine learning involved.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_24: So Siri has always been an AI, it's a way better AI than it used to be.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_24: But yeah, the answer is um, and I'm I'm gonna I would actually Google to make sure that my AI agrees with me, but I think that Siri has always been an AI.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, we have an email uh that uh came in, uh uh John.justice and americanexperiment.org as we continue our conversation with David Gartenstein Ross, the CEO of Expert Theory.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_21: Um, for DGR, I contend that AI is vastly overused and we are missing some important discoveries.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_21: The routine researchers, uh researchers, researchers are fine, but the deep dives are a problem.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_21: In the past, people would start to research something and then end up going down some rabbit holes.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_21: But many times people would learn things that open the door to new ideas, aha moments, which could lead to better ideas in the future.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_21: People need base facts and some time to ponder their meaning, but AI circumvents that process.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_21: Uh David from Tommy the Elder, uh, do you agree with that?
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_24: Yes.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_24: Um, I think Tommy the, like I love this insight.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_24: And um, those uh listeners who kind of remember my background will know I spent most of my career as a researcher and analyst.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_24: And so like deep dives, finding things that are unusual and putting facts together in non-intuitive ways have always been really important to me, including now.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_24: So what I would say to Tommy like is that the yes, I agree with him, and also there is a solution.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_24: So what he's putting his finger on is you know, um, there's different ways you can have AI do a research mode for you.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_24: And um it allows you to put together you know deep research papers that previously would have been time prohibitive to um undertake, uh, but you know, it's an AI doing the research for you.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_24: Um it doesn't uh produce those kind of brilliant aha moments where it puts different things together in a really interesting way where there's suddenly a fit that you didn't see before.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_24: As a researcher, uh that's what I made my career off of.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_24: Those moments are everything.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_24: It's it's similar to um, like to me, I felt like being a researcher and finding those hard to those aha moments uh seem was similar to you know, a detective cracking, you know, who was cracking a case.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_24: And I don't say that lightly.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, I worked with investigators, um, and so I understand how much goes into the criminal process or the intelligence process, uh, but but good research is so much like that.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_24: So my answer to Tommy the Elder is here's the direction one needs to do to go in to be good uh with this tool.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_24: Um it is that uh you need to let the AI um uh take up your time that previous or substitute for your time that previously would have been spent on things other than the aha moment.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_24: If in the past, if I were working on you know a research report that would say take five days to produce, maybe 75% of that time is stuff that was easily um uh done by someone other than me, where like a an intern or like a first-year researcher could do a lot of it, uh there's 25% where the heavy thinking would go.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_24: I would tend to try to give that 75% that's more routine to someone junior to me and let them produce it and put my thinking, concentrate my thinking on those areas where I'm most likely to generate aha moments.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_24: Here's my answer to Tommy the Elder.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_24: For researchers, for thinkers, for people who use AI for intellectual tasks, imagine if almost your entire day could be focused on the aha moments.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_24: Right?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_24: Like, imagine that.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_24: Um like that's possible now.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_24: And I'll say as a CEO, like that's how I use AI.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_24: Right?
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_24: Like, um, I use AI in drafting memos, and what it allows me to do is to focus the conversation on where that meat is that we're gonna get a huge breakthrough, and it reduces the drafting time that it takes for the rest.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_24: So I think Tommy is absolutely right.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_24: And what Tommy the Elder is asking about is exactly where people need to be able to focus their time and use of AI in order to have those breakthroughs in this new world that we're in.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_21: David Gartenstein-Ross, let's wrap on uh this story.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_21: I just want to get your uh thoughts on it here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, this is probably the lead artificial intelligence story making headlines today, but the Orleans, New Orleans, uh Parish Communication District, uh, which gets over a thousand emergency dials a day in what is among the highest volume of calls in the country, is now routing 911 calls to an AI agent that decides which ones get bumped into human dispatchers and which get handled by the bot itself.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_21: Uh again, New Orleans has become the first city in the U.S.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_21: to use artificial intelligence to answer emergency 911 calls.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_21: And uh, David, let me just add something to this.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_21: My pop culture brain, I'm immediately thinking about iRobot with uh Will Smith and the whole conundrum in that film, where in, spoiler alert, he comes in contact with an artificial intelligence robot who, in the middle of two automobiles sinking, determines that he had a better opportunity at survival and saved him instead of a young girl that he ended up having to watch drown in that uh in that moment.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_21: So an extreme circumstance, but it reminded me, this story here of New Orleans and the 911 calls reminded me of that film.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_24: Um uh one of the uh I I remember like when I when we did the radio show together, like you'd always ask these profound questions at the very end when we're running out of time.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_24: But I think one of the um We're good.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_24: I know this is one of the advantages to the move to American experiment.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_24: Uh absolutely um because this is uh an interview, I'm gonna be definitive and I'm gonna say something that may be controversial.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_24: Okay.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_24: Um not sure if this is gonna like I'm not sure if in the short term this is a great idea.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_24: What I will say is in the medium term, this is actually a great idea.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_24: Right?
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_24: And and I'll I'll explain why.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_24: And like um it will not make some people happy, but there's nothing you're gonna be able to pick apart, which is that it's not a question, so this is good.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_24: Using AI to um handle initial 911 calls in order to prioritize is good, and here's why.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_24: It's not AI versus like a good non-harried human who's on the ball and um is able to do this and is able to answer right away.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_24: Um what we need to know is with over a thousand emergency calls, you know, what is the current experience people are having in New Orleans with 911 dispatch service?
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_24: My guess is it's pretty terrible, right?
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_24: Like just based on um and and perhaps I'm wrong.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_24: We can that's a lot of calls to take.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_24: AI.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_21: Actually, what AI is.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_21: Oh, David, you are David, you're you're breaking up a little bit there, my uh my friend.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah, it's and sorry, it's it's uh little bit of an issue with the.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_21: You know what, David, let's um let's do this.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, we're we're we're we're missing every other word.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_21: Let's do this.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_21: I'm gonna go ahead and keep this in the stack uh for uh for next week um so we can address it uh further since we're having some technical problems now and we're technically up at the uh at the top of the hour.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_21: So let me hang on to this.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_21: I definitely want to uh get into it uh next week when we're not dealing with the technical issues, but I'll just take a moment and say thank you for uh joining us this morning.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_21: As always, David, I appreciate your uh your insight.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_24: Great joining you.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_21: Thanks, David.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_21: All right, again, the uh comment line uh for Blaster, 612-584-4565, 612-584-4565.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_21: If you want to go and uh join the show at uh at any point uh during today's uh broadcast, you can also email me john.justice at americanexperiment.org.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_21: And for some reason now I've lost my uh my camera shot over here.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_21: All right, so let's do this.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_21: Let's take a quick break.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_21: I want to get things as settled as we hit the uh top of the hour here on the show.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_21: As I mentioned, I do have something uh special for you planned in just a moment here uh on the show.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, but now that we've reached the top of the hour, let's go ahead and officially uh kick off the 7 o'clock hour here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_21: And it is hour two in the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 1:00:32
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• 1:00:37
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• 1:00:44
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• 1:00:50
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• 1:00:53
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• 1:00:58
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• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_21: So uh this hour, we got a number of different stories to uh dive into.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_21: We're gonna talk a bit as we kick off the hour about the rise of Democrat socialism and how President Donald Trump says jihadists are all over the place.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_21: Also, we have some uh updates on the uh scooter rider, uh scooter riders that took over the Minneapolis streets.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_21: And apparently there's some other commentators here in the Twin Cities that thought this was no big deal.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, whatever.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_21: It's a bunch of kids riding scooters around.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_21: So what that they went on I-35 and put themselves and others in danger.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_21: Just kids having fun.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_21: Give me a break already.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_21: Next hour at 8:30, uh, policy fellow uh Josiah Padley will join the show to discuss the rise in costs of school supplies for parents as their children return to uh to school.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, it's the bane of my existence when my uh children were going to school.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_21: I do not understand why any parent has to buy any school supplies for a teacher, given the amount of our tax dollars that already goes to public education.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_21: It's being wasted on critical race theory and DEI.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_21: So that'll be coming up this morning at 8:30.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_21: I have a very special treat coming up for you in just a few minutes here on the show.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_21: You do not want to miss this.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_21: I feel like I'm overhyping it, but that being said, I feel like it's worth the hype.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_21: First off, though, President Donald Trump criticized Democrats yesterday, labeling them jihadists and communists ahead of the midterm elections.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_21: He cited candidates from countries like Somalia, including Representative Vilhan Omar, the Michigan Senate candidate Abdul El Saeed, Saed.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_21: I don't even get that.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_21: You know, I don't care how if I'm saying it wrong or not.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_21: Trump's rhetoric has escalated, portraying Democrats as a threat to the country.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_21: Well, yeah, because they are.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_21: Now, Trump had said when it comes to the term jihadists, that a friend has suggested the term to him.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_21: A friend of mine called up, Trump said, recounting that the person told him, you know, you really should use the word jihadist because that's what's happening.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_21: Trump said that as an example, some candidates he was referring to came from countries like Somalia.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_21: Speaking of Representative Ilhan Omar, who's previously called for Omar and another Muslim member of Congress to go back from where they came from, according to the story from Newsmax.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_21: Trump also sharply criticized that uh socialist Michigan Democrats and a candidate Abdul Said, who is Muslim, at a campaign event in Las Vegas last week.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_21: Trump called El Said the hater of Jews and a hater of Israel.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_21: El Said has been a critic of the Israeli government.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_21: So um it doesn't matter what President Donald Trump says, right?
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_21: It doesn't, it doesn't matter.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_21: It's irrelevant.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_21: The less gonna go after him.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_21: Um he can change his language, use different terminology, but it doesn't matter.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_21: If it's me, I just say stick with communists.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_21: I think that's most effective.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_21: Um I don't know if jihadists expand the argument in any way, shape, or form.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_21: I don't know if it helps in terms of letting voters know exactly who they're dealing with.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_21: I think communists do a pretty good job of that already.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_21: And as we've seen, and I'll demonstrate here in just a moment, the there's growing concern for Democrats because of the socialist movement within their party and the rise of communists that's even bringing Hillary Clinton to go and be concerned about the ramifications of the midterm elections.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_21: I'll get to her comments here in just a moment.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_21: First off, though, Senator Tim Scott, Republican out of South Carolina, um said that the Michigan Democrat Senate candidate is making the GOP's path to the midterm elections easier.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_21: He says, with positions that Scott said are out of step with the voters in a battleground state.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_21: And this is pretty clear when you consider that these radical communist uh candidates, now some of them are open about it.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_21: That's mostly when they get into elected positions of power.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_21: I have an example uh about a socialist council member for the Minneapolis City Council, uh, who's just straight out espousing communist values and talking points.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_21: The candidates tend to go and tone that down because they know that there is a large segment, thank the good Lord Almighty, that still is turned off by those labels.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_21: Now, Scott, uh talking with uh CNN said, I'm certain that Abdul El Said is making it easier because he is inconsistent with Michiganders of either side of the aisle.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_21: By the way, he's someone who wants to defund the police, defund ICE, who wants to abolish our concept of a border.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_21: Republicans have stepped up their attacks against El Said with GOP as describing him as the most dangerous candidate in the Michigan Senate race.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_21: Scott pointed to El Said.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_21: He's don't pass a description of himself as evidence Republicans should take him at his word.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_21: I want to replay a comment from yesterday because I think it's partly why you have candidates like Michelle Tefoya here in Minnesota, who we had yesterday on the show.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_21: If you missed it, be sure to check out the podcast.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_21: Again, available on all podcast platforms and on the Mix LR app, or watch the replay of the video of yesterday's show on Facebook and YouTube for Center of the American Experiment.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_21: But uh Scott, recently talking with CNN over the weekend, mentioned how he felt that the Senate race here in Minnesota was in play because of Michelle Tefoya.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_21: Here's what he had to say.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_24: When you look at these red states, particularly that, you know, you say they're not in play, but they're all close.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_00: Do any of them keep you up at night?
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, I tell you what, uh, not much keeps me up at night, to be honest with you.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: The one thing that gets me excited when I think about this uh this election cycle on the map is Minnesota.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think Minnesota, we have a real shot with Michelle Tafoya.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: She has done a really good job on the show.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: She's a we just did an event for her.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_00: We've done two events for her recently, one in the state and and one in national call for our for the donors.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: But we know without question that she is within a point of the lieutenant governor uh right now.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_00: So if we can continue to let her show the contrast between the two candidates, I think Michelle Tafoya is a kind of Republican.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think we could have a 54-seat majority.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_00: Not 46, not for 53.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_21: By the way, Scott pointed out to CNN uh regarding the uh Michigan uh Democrat and Socialist Senate candidate, saying his own past description of himself is evidence that Republicans should go and take him at his word.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_21: And he's right.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_21: So going back to Trump again, Trump can use jihadists, use communists, use socialists, because a lot of individuals are not buying into this.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_21: They don't want that here in the country.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_21: And even Hillary Clinton came out and said Republicans' anti-communist messaging will be a very effective attack heading into the midterm elections.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_21: Clinton warned Democrats that the party must find a way to unite behind progressive candidates and appeal to independence after Saeed's narrowly defeated the representative Haley Stevens in that Michigan Democrat Senate primary.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_21: The real fight will be how do we make sure that people who voted for Haley feel comfortable voting for Abdul El-Said?
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_21: See, they have to deal.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_21: I mean, listen, they made their bet in it, they have to lie into it.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_21: But Hillary Clinton's even recognizing, yeah, this might be a bridge too far for most people.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_21: It's not just about Michigan, she said, but the Republican message is communist socialist.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_21: It's going to be very, a very effective attack.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_21: And so people on the left have to be prepared to answer that and be effective in answering that.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_21: You know, what she's worried about is Hillary Clinton is concerned that not enough of the broken and brainwashed Democrat voters have consumed the communism Kool-Aid.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_05: They're passing open blue, talking party colours, like they're over the old breast on the wall.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_05: He's asking what went wrong.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody in the room, here's the clean space.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_05: She sees the banana shift.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_05: She is the easy chip.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_05: The whole playbook starts to bog up in the rear.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_05: Now the table's turn is slow with a police pace and blow.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody in the room feels the cards on the group.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_05: Heavy underneath.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_21: Coming up at 8 30 this morning, again, we're going to talk with Josiah Padley about the rising costs of parents having to purchase school items for their children.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_21: There's a new piece available at AmericanExperiment.org that I would highly encourage you to check out.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_21: But Josiah will be joining us on the sofa here in the American Experiment studio coming up in a little uh over one hour from now.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_21: Next on the show, Minneapolis City Council member Robin Wandsley criticized MPD as a major drain on the city's budget, citing its high overtime costs and liabilities from racial bias and excessive force.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_21: She's endorsed by the Democrat Socialists of America.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_21: She's showing her communist roots in her commentary.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_21: She argues the city should prioritize public safety metrics over staffing levels and opposes cuts to programs serving marginalized communities.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_21: Of course, the city of Minneapolis is facing a budget shortfall exceeding$30 million, which is where all of this commentary is stemming from.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_21: I'll give you details on this story next.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_21: But ahead of my conversation with Josiah Padley about school supply costs, remember there is a fantastic series available at AmericanExperiment.org, hosted by American Experiment podcast host, Grace Keating.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_21: And they actually recorded some new episodes, which will be uh up soon.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_21: But Grace, over the course of the past few months, has been highlighting what has been coming to classrooms here in Minnesota.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_21: Here's a sample of what you can expect in the series and details next on the Socialist Council members slamming the Minneapolis Police Department on the John Justice Show presented by American Experiment.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_03: In this week's episode of Coming to a Classroom Near You, we look at the new requirement to teach ethnic studies in all K-12 schools in Minnesota, which must be implemented in 2026.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_03: Ethnic Studies includes three distinct standards identity, resistance, and ways of knowing and methodologies.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_03: The resistance standard takes learning to a whole new level.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_03: It requires students to describe how individuals and communities have fought for liberation against systemic exercises of power and organize with others to engage in such activities.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_03: The ways of knowing standard requires students to understand the roots of contemporary systems of oppression and apply lessons from the past that could eliminate contemporary injustices.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_03: Within these standards are K-12 grade level benchmarks that represent the specific knowledge and or skill a student must accomplish.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_03: Since there is no external approval process on the benchmarks, the Minnesota Department of Education writes whatever content it wants and then distributes it to schools to teach.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_03: For example, kindergartners, five-year-olds, will have to retell a story about an unfair experience that conveys a power imbalance and will no longer have to describe symbols, songs, and traditions that identify our nation and state, such as the American flag, bald eagle, pledge of allegiance, and Minnesota State Flag.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_03: First graders, six-year-olds, must identify examples of ethnicity, equality, liberation, and systems of power, and construct meanings for those terms.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_03: And will no longer have to explain why and when the Pledge of Allegiance is recited, or provide examples of basic flag etiquette.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_03: Fourth graders, ten year olds, must identify the processes and impacts of colonization and examine how discrimination and the oppression of various racial and ethnic groups have produced resistance movements.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_03: And will no longer have to name and locate countries neighboring the United States, like Canada and Mexico, and their major cities.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_03: We shouldn't be surprised by these changes.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_03: The Minnesota Department of Education's controlling document explicitly states this is an intentional shift and reframing of the entire approach to K-12 social studies education used in Minnesota schools.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_03: MDE claims the 2011 social studies standards and benchmarks are deficient because they organize student learning around content.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_03: While MDE acknowledges that content knowledge sometimes plays a role, in general it intends to replace our school's current content-based approach to instruction with what it calls inquiry-based pedagogy.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_03: Under this approach, students are asked to construct their own meaning based on asking difficult questions instead of mastering specific factual knowledge.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_03: Again and again throughout the benchmarks, MDE's central theme is clear replacing content with ideology disguised as inquiry-based pedagogy.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_03: When ethnic studies was presented to the Minnesota legislature in 2023, it was portrayed as the study of different cultures, students seeing themselves in the curriculum and learning honest history.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_03: But like so many other familiar terms, Minnesota's version of ethnic studies has been hijacked to apply a liberated approach to understanding our world.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_03: Minnesota students deserve a robust education that includes learning hard historical truths and frank discussions on where our country has fallen short.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_03: Not one that is confined to a narrow, politicized, and ideological worldview.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_03: Recently, California rejected a statewide ethnic studies mandate because it was too divisive.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_03: How will Minnesota respond?
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_03: To learn more about Minnesota's ethnic studies standards, visit AmericaneExperiment.org/slash ethnic studies.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_21: It's the John Justice show presented by American Experiment and AmericanExperiment.org where you can listen to the show, download the Mix LR app, where you can uh check out the podcast if you missed any portion uh of the show.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_21: And as I mentioned a moment ago, uh there will be a brand new American Experiment podcast uh released today.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_21: And I believe it's going to be Grace Keating and uh Isaac who will be hosting as uh Catherine Johnson is uh out, and new um episodes of what you just heard there, uh talking about what is coming to the classroom, what has arrived in the classroom uh here in Minnesota from Grace Keating.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_21: I encourage you to head on over to americanexperiment.org and check that out.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_21: If you want to email me, John.justice at americanexperiment.org.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_21: Also, uh leave us a blast to 612-584-4565-612-584-4565.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_21: Comments have already rolled in, and if you want to get them in early, you're welcome to.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_21: Ahead of our discussion at uh 8 30 this morning, talking about the rising cost of school supplies um for parents every single year.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_21: And it seemed to get, I don't want to get off on a tangent because I will go off on this.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_21: I just I do not understand it.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_21: And it seemed like it got worse and worse every single year as both of my boys were going through school, and I was so glad they graduated, so I didn't have to deal with it anymore because I do not understand why we need to supply our teachers with all the stuff that they need every single year when my money already goes to pay for it.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_21: So we'll get into that coming up at 8 30.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_21: Get your comments in early, either to uh the blaster line at 612-584-4565 or email john.justice at American Experiment.org.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_21: All right, let's talk about some Democrat socialists, uh, shall we?
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_21: Far left, Minneapolis City Council member Robin Wandsley slammed the Minneapolis Police Department in a newsletter to constituents last week.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_21: In her letter, she described MPD as one of the doing nothing with my fingers, largest uh drains on the city's budget.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_21: Well, yeah, you idiot.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_21: Of course it is.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_21: You need to provide security for the people.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_21: And unfortunately, right now, we don't have enough police officers, and we'll get into this in the story from Alpha News to deal with the rising crime in Minneapolis, scooter gangs aside, and the amount of overtime that law enforcement is receiving because we don't have enough police officers.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_21: Let me get more to uh more to uh what she had to say.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_21: So, again, there's a$30 million budget shortfall within the city of Minneapolis that they're trying to contend with.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_21: In advance of the budget proposal, the Minneapolis City Council members are making known their priorities for the city spending, and Wandsley is taking aim at MPD.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_21: And here's where she gets this is the vortex of stupid, the never-ending parade of stupid.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_21: So she's endorsed by the DSA, the Democrat Socialist of America, said the city's police department routinely goes over budget by tens of millions of dollars for overtime, which has no measurable outcomes and does not improve public safety.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_21: So I am doing everything I can to uh maintain my composure at a comment like that.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_21: So, did she support the violence interrupters?
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_21: Because if you remember, those violence interrupters, the whole reason why there was a major issue with the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars we were giving to former gang members to wear fancy pre-printed t-shirts and take to the streets of Minneapolis to interrupt violence was the fact that there was no accountability for them.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_21: They didn't have to go and show their work.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_21: They didn't even have to prove that they interrupted any violence.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_21: Again, doing that thing with my fingers.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_21: Did she support that?
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_21: Yes, she did.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_21: They don't improve public safety?
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_21: Cops don't do any good, guys.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_21: They don't do any, they don't do it's only people on the street armed with cell phones getting in the way of uh federal immigration agents that has any sort of um effort, positive effort in dealing with crime.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_21: I just this is the most ridiculous.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_21: Again, I'm trying to maintain my composure, and I can't because it's just that dumb.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_21: No measurable outcomes.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_21: You know, part of the issue, a major part of the issue here, is that there's nobody around her that's taking her to task.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_21: There's nobody around her that's going, you're a communist and you're a moron.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_21: Again, I would encourage you to go and listen to the podcast last week with uh Becca Thompson, who is fighting for the future of Minneapolis, social media influencer.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_21: We had a lengthy conversation about the state of the Minneapolis city council.
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_21: You know, but she says these things and then there's no there there is no retort to it.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_21: She doesn't she doesn't have to go and prove her work, is what I'm trying to say.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_21: And before I get to more of the story, let me share this with you because it falls in line exactly with my line of thinking right now.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_21: So a spokesperson for one of the leading Democrat Socialists of America chapters was on a podcast, I believe, over the weekend.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_21: And I'm looking at a version of the story here that was posted by Wall Street Apes on X, wherein Wall Street Apes wrote, How do you get a leader of the DSA movement's brain to malfunction?
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_21: Simply ask them to explain their talking points.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_27: But we do believe in taxing the hell out of millionaires.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_27: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well, what is taxing the hell out of them mean?
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_26: Uh yeah, you know, I again I don't have like a solid but I think But shouldn't you?
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, if you're the co-chair of the of the DSA, shouldn't you be more specific than just taxing the hell out of something?
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_04: What what what exactly do you mean?
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_27: So again, it's democracy, right?
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_27: And and it we have to look at what we need to spend and what we need.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_27: We don't want to depend on the existence of millionaires because that means people are still getting exploited.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_27: So so yeah, we need to we need to look at what we need to pay for in the interim, what what sort of tax base we need for that to happen, and then um and build from that.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_21: They don't have an answer to these questions.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_21: Because there aren't any good answers to these questions.
• 1:24:57
  SPEAKER_21: Who decides that?
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_21: The interviewer was absolutely correct.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_21: Just at the very beginning of the comments.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_27: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_04: Well, what is taxing the hell out of the media?
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_26: Uh yeah, you know, I again I don't have like a solid, but shouldn't you?
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_21: Of course you should, but they don't.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_21: It's all style over substance, it's all emotion, it's all feelings-based.
• 1:25:25
  SPEAKER_21: It gets people angry, it gets them motivated to go and demonize and vilify a group of individuals for your own advantage without ever having to, as Robin Wandsley, the communist Minneapolis City Council member, stated regarding MPD ridiculously, that there is no measurable outcomes.
• 1:25:46
  SPEAKER_21: There's no measurable details relating to what their policies absolutely, you know, entail.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_21: They just want to get their individuals into office any way possible.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_21: It's one thing that I wish that conservatives that Republicans did better.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_21: I wish that Republicans could be able to elicit that type of emotion-based motivation, but steeped and rooted in facts.
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_21: But they don't care.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_21: All they want is the ability to go, we need to tax the hell out of millionaires, and then to have the angry mob with their torches ready to go and take to the streets, going, yes, yes, go and tax the hell out of them, even though nobody can go and define what that would actually entail.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_21: Who decides that?
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_21: What percentage are they getting taxed?
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_21: Why are they getting taxed?
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_21: Is there any looking whatsoever?
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_21: And this was millionaires, by the way.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_21: No thought whatsoever of the individuals that they employ.
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_21: The healthcare that gets provided for those individuals, the families that are raised through the employees of these millionaires and their businesses.
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_21: Nope.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_21: It's all just straight up in your face, emotion-based communism, to achieve a goal, and that goal is to simply grow their power.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_21: And right now they feel very powerful because they are taking over the Democrat Party.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_21: As the Democrat establishment ridiculously says, we're the Big Ten Party.
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_21: Invite them all in.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_21: Wandsley continued to slam MPD, saying the city faces a multi-million dollar liability uh each year created by MPD's pattern and practice of racial bias and excessive force, as well as PTSD claims that are widely understood to be vulnerable to fraud.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_21: What a lunatic.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_21: She's just throwing out all of the fancy buzzwords.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_21: You know, all people are concerned about fraud.
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_21: So let me go ahead and make an unfounded claim that uh PTSD money being spent to law enforcement officers, probably because those officers are having to deal with an abundance of overtime, dealing with the rise of crime in Minnesota and the fact that we don't have enough police officers.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_21: So then she just makes up.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_21: This idea that, and that's vulnerable to fraud.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_21: And I know people care about fraud.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_21: You know, you can tell how flimsy their arguments are when they have to go and resort to these type, these types of vapid platitudes, just tossing it out there without any sort of, again, qualifying statement or facts or any examples whatsoever to what she is referring to.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_21: She says taxpayers will continue to see increased property taxes every year until the city stops rubber stamping blank checks to MPD, regardless of public safety outcomes or reform implementation.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_21: Police spending in Minneapolis has gone up significantly in recent years, according to the Alpha News article.
• 1:28:40
  SPEAKER_21: In 2019, the city spent approximately$181 million on police.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_21: The city's 2026 budget, which spent just over$2 billion in total, allocated$229 million for policing.
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_21: Now, this may seem like a big increase, but the difference lines up with inflation.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_21: $181 million in 2019 is equal to approximately$230 million in 2026.
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_21: But Minneapolis has far fewer officers this year than it did seven years ago and is on pace to overspend its police overtime budget again this year.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_21: Minneapolis man, baby, mayor, mom jeans, Jacob Fry, has said the overtime spending is necessary to meet the city's policing needs.
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_21: Chalk that up to a broken clock being right twice a day.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_21: Because he's right.
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_21: In 2019, the city had nearly 900 police officers.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_21: In June of this year, Minneapolis had 638 officers, with another 30 in training.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_21: And as we've talked about on the show, as social media influencer Becca Thompson did last week in our lengthy discussion about the city of Minneapolis, even if you are somewhere in outstate Minnesota, if you're among what Governor Dim Walls refers to as rocks and cows country, enjoying the good life, make no mistake, what happens in Minneapolis has an impact on you as well.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_21: Obi-Wan Kenobi and The Phantom Menace talking to the gun guns.
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_21: That's right.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_21: You and the Naboo form a symbiote circle.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_21: You must understand this.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_21: If Minneapolis falls, they'll eventually come for you too.
• 1:30:26
  SPEAKER_21: Just like the Droid Federation.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, I know I'm a nerd.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_21: But you know what?
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_21: I gave you communism Kool-Aid, so you gotta be nicer than that.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_21: Such a jam, by the way.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_21: Minneapolis is required by law to have a minimum of 731 police officers on staff, but recruitment has proved difficult for the agency.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_21: Now, Alpha News asked MPD about its spending, but the agency did not immediately respond to a media inquiry.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_21: Additionally, Wandsley was asked why she described MPD as one of the biggest drains on the city budget and whether she believes MPD should have 731 minimum officers as required by law.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_21: Now, Wandsley said in her June newsletter that her budget priorities include creating a city agency to mitigate the city's legal and financial liabilities, exploring the possibility of publicly owned housing, and stopping cuts to programs that served marginalized communities.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_21: The city of Minneapolis is facing a$30 million budget shortfall specifically because of the leftist policies created by the Democrat socialists on the Minneapolis City Council full stop.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_21: They only have themselves to blame.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_21: If you were to go and implement what Robin Wandsley is proposing here, stripping away MPD's funding even more, do you have any idea of the hellscape that Minneapolis would turn into?
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_21: You wouldn't have the ability anymore for self-proclaimed Minneapolis apologists like Mike Norton and others to sit back and show their photographs of certain parts of Minneapolis that are nice and that people go and visit.
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_21: Because I absolutely admit that's the case.
• 1:32:14
  SPEAKER_21: The totality of Minneapolis did not burn down during the 2020 riots, but a big portion of it should.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_21: But this is the ridiculous pushback that you get from those Minneapolis apologists.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_21: They'll say, oh, Republicans and conservatives like John Justice go and cast Minneapolis as just this horrible, awful place that nobody wants to go to.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_21: And how do you explain all these events still coming here and Vikings games and the twins and the Lynx and the Timberwolves and this restaurant where I'm showing myself eat ear riding a bike to?
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_21: Hey, that's great.
• 1:32:40
  SPEAKER_21: Tell me all the different areas that you are avoiding.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_21: How many different homeless people shooting up heroin on the streets did you have to pass by before you ended up in that location, safe and secure from the homeless encampment that was removed from one location only to scurry off into the woods next to individuals who have gone and given their money to the city by deciding to live in the city and now are worried about the drug deals and the random sex parties that are taking place in the woods right behind their backyard where there's not a fence.
• 1:33:18
  SPEAKER_21: And if you're curious where all this came from, I have another story coming up in the stack from Alpha News that I'll share with you that details this very thing.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_21: But Robin Wandsley knows this.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_21: She knows they'll stop short of these policies just enough.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_21: But make no mistake, this$30 million budget shortfall is only going to get worse under their policies unless there's some wholesale change in the future when it comes to the elections in Minneapolis to bring in more sensible leadership.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_21: I have no expectation whatsoever that we're going to end up with a bunch of conservative Republicans on the Minneapolis City Council.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_21: I don't even think there are any running, and there have been any running for quite a long time, apart from a few, you know, mayoral candidates.
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_21: But at a bare minimum, we could get a few people like Michael Rainville, who at least, while he's a Democrat and his policy solutions are not great, he's not a socialist or a communist and understands what the city is faced with.
• 1:34:11
  SPEAKER_21: The city has been run by Democrats before, and it wasn't in these dire straits.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_21: But it's only going to get worse under this leadership.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_21: Wandsley went on to say Minneapolis has among the highest racial inequities in the country.
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_21: Our police force has a confirmed pattern of racial discriminatory policing.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_21: Our residents were just targeted by federal government in a violent occupation.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_21: I don't need to go and repeat myself regarding Operation Metro Surge and how we were arresting murderers and rapists and thieves and getting them off the streets and people lost their lives not because of ICE, but because they decided to get in the way of what ICE was doing.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_21: Cutting programs, she says, that serve residents of color and low-income residents will worsen these inequities and are a non-starter.
• 1:35:02
  SPEAKER_21: You know, and again, I wish somebody would go and ask Robin Wansley listen, if all this stuff is true, how long have you been on the Minneapolis City Council?
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_21: How long have the Democrat Socialists been on the Minneapolis City Council?
• 1:35:13
  SPEAKER_21: How much worse have things gotten over the years?
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_21: You guys are the ones in charge, if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:35:20
  SPEAKER_21: You are the Minneapolis Council.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_21: You're the ones making policy decisions.
• 1:35:25
  SPEAKER_21: No, no, no.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_21: They're scapegoating the Minneapolis Police Department to cover for their own policy failures.
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_21: Let's go back to the blaster line, 612-584-4565.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_21: Or you can email John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_20: It's difficult to get conservatives to be emotional about the truth because the emotion comes from the lie around the truth.
• 1:35:50
  SPEAKER_20: The truth exposes the lie, the emotion comes from the lie.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, I kind of understand what you're saying, but to my point, and I've used this example in uh years past, but when we were working to push when uh when we were working pushing back against Obamacare, and you guys all remember the uh the ads of uh the uh the ads of Republicans pushing Graham off the cliff in the wheelchair, or they would bring out somebody who needed uh health care but didn't have access to it.
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_21: You know, I always had hoped that Republicans would be able to tap into the emotional side and the stories like the Democrats do of what happens to people under socialized medicine.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_21: That's what I mean, right?
• 1:36:37
  SPEAKER_21: I don't want individuals making decisions based off of feeling and emotions, but we can appeal to them through an emotional means while we provide solutions that are fact-based and not rooted in emotion.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_21: I don't mean to con you know to convolute the issue too much, but that's what I was uh referring to.
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_21: All right, getting back uh to the issue at hand, Robin Wansley, her communist comments pushing back on MPD.
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_21: We go back to the blaster line this morning on the show.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_18: John, good morning.
• 1:37:07
  SPEAKER_18: Happy election day.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_18: I think Minneapolis can probably fix the police problem.
• 1:37:12
  SPEAKER_18: If they just arrested all the criminals and left them in jail, they would have to keep re-arresting.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_18: That's a way of right-sizing your police force because the bad guys are not on the street doing the thing that they do all over and over again.
• 1:37:26
  SPEAKER_18: Vote and come on, Minnesota, do it, right?
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_21: You know, to um to his point, you know, looking at solutions.
• 1:37:39
  SPEAKER_21: It's pretty simple.
• 1:37:41
  SPEAKER_21: It's pretty simple.
• 1:37:42
  SPEAKER_21: So let's just say for the sake of argument that I was in some sort of position of power within the Minneapolis Police Department or uh within the city of Minneapolis, wherein I can make decisions.
• 1:37:53
  SPEAKER_21: What would I do?
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_21: Well, I would budget to make sure that we met the minimum threshold of 900 police officers as required for a city our size.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_21: First off, I'd also make sure that that number is still valid.
• 1:38:07
  SPEAKER_21: Because I think there's a question of whether or not we actually need more, depending on the population size.
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_21: I don't know what the flux has been as of late.
• 1:38:13
  SPEAKER_21: Maybe we need less.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_21: Maybe people have left in Minneapolis, and we don't need as many law enforcement officers.
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_21: So I want to get to the root number that we need, and then we just allow them to go and enforce the law.
• 1:38:24
  SPEAKER_21: It's that simple.
• 1:38:25
  SPEAKER_21: This isn't hard.
• 1:38:27
  SPEAKER_21: That's what law enforcement is supposed to do.
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_21: Support law enforcement, have their back.
• 1:38:32
  SPEAKER_21: Yes, hold law enforcement accountable if they go and do something wrong, like we always do.
• 1:38:41
  SPEAKER_21: Okay.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_21: We already have policies in place to deal with law enforcement misconduct.
• 1:38:48
  SPEAKER_21: But right now, what you have is leadership that vilifies law enforcement before they even go and do anything wrong, like what this moron communist is is doing.
• 1:39:00
  SPEAKER_21: They'll certainly never go along with what I said, but that's the easiest solution.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_21: Allow law enforcement to go and do their job and just make sure you have enough cops in order to go and and do that.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_21: Let's go back to the blaster line.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_21: Again, 612-584-4565.
• 1:39:16
  SPEAKER_21: That's the uh number.
• 1:39:29
  SPEAKER_18: They only make$150,000 a year, but some of them are worth$50 to$100 million once they get into office.
• 1:39:38
  SPEAKER_18: They're gonna tax the hell out of themselves.
• 1:39:42
  SPEAKER_18: I don't think so.
• 1:39:44
  SPEAKER_21: No, I listen, and I don't even think that they know the means in which how they would go and implement taxing the hell out of millionaires.
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_21: They just want to be able to go and say it.
• 1:39:55
  SPEAKER_21: And of course they're not gonna hold themselves accountable.
• 1:39:58
  SPEAKER_21: Of course they're not included in that.
• 1:40:00
  SPEAKER_21: You see, they're doing the righteous and just work, being the Democrat socialist that they are.
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_21: It's the simple rules for thee, but not for me.
• 1:40:12
  SPEAKER_21: All right, let's go on.
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_21: Here from a friend of the show, Rich.
• 1:40:15
  SPEAKER_21: He certainly has some things to say this morning on the John Justice show, presented by American Experiment.
• 1:40:21
  SPEAKER_08: Good morning, John Rich here.
• 1:40:23
  SPEAKER_08: So we've already cracked Rich.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_08: We've tried that in 1981.
• 1:40:27
  SPEAKER_08: In 1981, George W.
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_08: Bush cracked a luxury crack.
• 1:40:34
  SPEAKER_08: What did it do?
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_08: The wealthy people feel bought in the bottom for me.
• 1:40:48
  SPEAKER_08: So the rich people didn't go with how much in the car.
• 1:40:55
  SPEAKER_08: So I guess we could support the tariff from the trunk with that also.
• 1:41:00
  SPEAKER_08: Because you can get the rich people with taxing tariffs on those yachts coming from Italy, because that's really right the bottom.
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_08: Just a short history from the taxing the rich.
• 1:41:12
  SPEAKER_21: Thank you, uh, Rich, on your short uh history of uh taxing the rich.
• 1:41:16
  SPEAKER_21: I appreciate it.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_21: If you want to leave a comment.
• 1:41:18
  SPEAKER_21: Again, 612-584-4565, or email john.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 1:41:26
  SPEAKER_21: Residents, as I mentioned a moment ago, say the uh pig's eye closure of the homeless camp shifted that St.
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_21: Paul encampment into the woods behind luxury apartments.
• 1:41:39
  SPEAKER_21: I want to give you details on this and an update on the hundreds of scooter riders that took over the Minneapolis streets and even entered I-35 during scooter takeovers organized on TikTok.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_21: I want to say up front on the story, and we'll give you the details coming up on the show, that they need to put a stop to this now, because this is only going to get worse if they let it continue.
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_21: Details uh coming up uh here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_21: Don't go anywhere.
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_12: If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
• 1:42:17
  SPEAKER_12: We've heard over and over that wind and solar are the clean and green solution to our energy.
• 1:42:22
  SPEAKER_12: Power without the downsides of fossil fuels.
• 1:42:26
  SPEAKER_12: It sounds great on the surface, but is it true?
• 1:42:29
  SPEAKER_12: Let's take a closer look.
• 1:42:31
  SPEAKER_12: Every form of energy impacts the environment.
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_12: Wind and solar are no exception.
• 1:42:36
  SPEAKER_12: The only difference?
• 1:42:37
  SPEAKER_12: You've probably never been told about their downsides.
• 1:42:40
  SPEAKER_12: Wind and solar are both low-power energy sources that require exponentially more wind and solar to produce the same amount of power as nuclear natural gas.
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_12: This means greater material needs, which lead to unparalleled levels of mining, manufacturing, transportation, and construction, all of which come with huge environmental fees.
• 1:43:02
  SPEAKER_12: Land use alone is environmentally devastating.
• 1:43:05
  SPEAKER_12: A one-gigawatt nuclear plant takes about 1.3 square miles.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_12: Solar, up to 75 square miles, wind, up to 3,000 square miles.
• 1:43:16
  SPEAKER_12: Powering the US with just wind would require more land than two Californians.
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_12: Then there's the materials.
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_12: Meeting global net zero targets would require massive amounts of minimum.
• 1:43:29
  SPEAKER_12: Far more than the world currently produces.
• 1:43:31
  SPEAKER_12: This means opening new mines, often in countries with weak environmental standards, dangerous working conditions, and even child labor.
• 1:43:40
  SPEAKER_12: The impacts on wildlife are no better.
• 1:43:43
  SPEAKER_12: Offshore wind disrupts marine ecosystems.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_12: Whales, for example, which rely on echolocation, suffer from hearing impairment and disturbing migration patterns.
• 1:43:53
  SPEAKER_12: On land, turbines kill birds and bats, and solar farms destroy habitat.
• 1:43:58
  SPEAKER_12: Then there's life space.
• 1:44:00
  SPEAKER_12: Nuclear natural gas plants can last 60 to 80 years.
• 1:44:04
  SPEAKER_12: Turbines and solar panels is 20 to 25.
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_12: They're also not easily recyclable.
• 1:44:10
  SPEAKER_12: So multiply the sheer number of units we need with their short lifespan, and you have millions of tons of material waste heading for landfills.
• 1:44:19
  SPEAKER_12: The truth is, wind and solar aren't the magical solution we've been talking.
• 1:44:24
  SPEAKER_12: The costs are real, the trade-off is significant.
• 1:44:27
  SPEAKER_12: Low power, high material use, extensive land use and ecosystem impact.
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_12: Wind and solar energy production literally do more environmental harm than good.
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_12: Like we said, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_12: Learn more at AmericaneExperiment.org slash shattered green dreams.
• 1:44:52
  SPEAKER_21: The blaster line, if you want to leave a comment for the John Justice show presented by American Experiment, is 612-584-4565.
• 1:45:00
  SPEAKER_21: Friend of the show, lawyer friend of the show, James Dickey, wants to chime in on communist Robin Wandsley's comments, disparaging our uh MPD.
• 1:45:11
  SPEAKER_11: Hey, John, it's James Dickey.
• 1:45:13
  SPEAKER_11: About the uh Wandsley statement about no measurable outcomes from our police.
• 1:45:17
  SPEAKER_11: Back in 2020 or 2021, when the Minneapolis City Council was actively cutting the police budget for their own political reasons, there was actually a racial equity impact assessment, which they have to do for city programs.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_11: And it noted that increasing the number of officers in the force would primarily benefit low-income and minority households because it would provide national safety that they can't afford through private security engaged communities and stuff like that.
• 1:45:47
  SPEAKER_11: So her own city documents, which are in the record in the court preceding that, got the Supreme Court to say that you gotta have a minimum number of cops in Minneapolis, say the opposite of what she's saying.
• 1:45:58
  SPEAKER_21: And James Dickey highlights what I mentioned before, and that's a perfect example.
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_21: You see, when statements like this get made by Minneapolis City Council members, there should be a member of the media immediately, multiple members of the media immediately going and asking for clarification and providing the facts, just like James Dickey did.
• 1:46:20
  SPEAKER_21: You want to enact change, potentially, with the current communist, Democrat, Socialist, Minneapolis City Council, however you want to describe them.
• 1:46:28
  SPEAKER_21: That's how you start by accountability.
• 1:46:32
  SPEAKER_21: She wants uh Minneapolis police to go and show their work.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_21: She should have to go and show her work.
• 1:46:37
  SPEAKER_21: She should have to be faced with the facts that the facts actually push back directly on the claims that she is making.
• 1:46:47
  SPEAKER_21: But the problem, of course, is that that never happens.
• 1:46:51
  SPEAKER_21: You do have outlets like Alpha News and others reach out for comments, but they just simply go unanswered.
• 1:46:57
  SPEAKER_21: They have no interest in providing the truth.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_21: The media has no interest in making any Democrat look bad, even if it's just them simply going and doing their job.
• 1:47:10
  SPEAKER_21: We used to have uh a media that did that.
• 1:47:13
  SPEAKER_21: We used to have journalists that actually didn't care about what party they belonged to, if the person that they were exposing with potential corruption or hypocritical statements, serving in positions of power like Robin Wandsley.
• 1:47:32
  SPEAKER_21: They used to not care.
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_21: They cared about the truth and providing that truth to the consumer, those watching or listening to their news.
• 1:47:40
  SPEAKER_21: But we've blown long past that in these hyper um, you know, politicized Donald Trump, you know, uh presidential era.
• 1:47:52
  SPEAKER_21: It's just gone.
• 1:47:53
  SPEAKER_21: And James Dickey just pointed that out.
• 1:47:56
  SPEAKER_21: Now, I wouldn't expect any of these Democrat socialists to change, but I would expect the public to be better informed of who the individuals they're actually electing into office are.
• 1:48:05
  SPEAKER_21: And even if they're in support of those individuals, they should be made aware that the policies are completely unsustainable, on top of being hypocritical.
• 1:48:14
  SPEAKER_21: Just days after the city of St.
• 1:48:16
  SPEAKER_21: Paul began clearing out its largest homeless encampment near Pigseye Park, residents of the Waterford Bay apartments say the encampment behind their building is swelled with new arrivals.
• 1:48:28
  SPEAKER_21: Situated between Shepherd Road and the Mississippi River, the luxury apartment building overlooks a wooded area along the river bluffs that is home to another illegal encampment.
• 1:48:40
  SPEAKER_21: I played last week that cowardly Marxist lunatic at a St.
• 1:48:46
  SPEAKER_21: Paul's City Council meeting, sunglasses on, wearing a face covering, beanie on his head, talking about how we shouldn't, as a society, be catering to individuals who own property.
• 1:49:00
  SPEAKER_21: We should not be listening to those individuals.
• 1:49:04
  SPEAKER_21: That we should be more aligned with the people who are living on the streets while others live in lap in the in the lap of luxury.
• 1:49:12
  SPEAKER_21: This is what he's talking about.
• 1:49:14
  SPEAKER_21: People who've decided to make a living in Minneapolis, to work in Minneapolis, to shop, provide tax revenue in Minneapolis, who didn't go and rent these luxury apartments just to have a bunch of drug-abusing sexual predators in the forest right behind their apartment complex.
• 1:49:37
  SPEAKER_21: Residents submitted photos and videos to Alpha News that at first glance resemble the curb side drop off outside an airport terminal.
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_21: People step out carrying backpacks and duffel bags, some rolling wheeled suitcases behind them.
• 1:49:52
  SPEAKER_21: But instead of heading for the departure gate, they disappear into the woods.
• 1:49:57
  SPEAKER_21: Residents told Alpha News the uptick in activity.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_21: Began immediately after last Wednesday's closure of the Pig's Eye Encampment, raising questions about whether St.
• 1:50:08
  SPEAKER_21: Paul's transition plan, spearheaded by embattled Mayor Horny Her, has merely relocated the problem rather than resolve it.
• 1:50:17
  SPEAKER_21: Of course it did.
• 1:50:19
  SPEAKER_21: So you know what needs to happen?
• 1:50:21
  SPEAKER_21: You need to go in and root these individuals out of the forest.
• 1:50:24
  SPEAKER_21: And then you keep rooting them out of their locations until individuals decide to either go to uh shelter and get the help they need from professionals who genuinely know and want and have the resources to help the homeless population, and the others who simply just want to live on the streets, sucking off the government teat as best they can, putting them in a position where it's forced attrition.
• 1:50:52
  SPEAKER_21: They can go outside of St.
• 1:50:53
  SPEAKER_21: Paul and someplace else that wants to go and accept them.
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_21: They can head down to Rochester of all places.
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_21: One uh Waterford uh resident who asked not to be identified said she has watched a flood of vehicles arriving since the city cleared the Pig's Eye Park encampment.
• 1:51:13
  SPEAKER_21: By the way, what a horrible name.
• 1:51:15
  SPEAKER_21: Pig'seye.
• 1:51:16
  SPEAKER_21: I mean, out of all the I mean, I'm a fan of bacon just like the next person, but pig'seye seems like.
• 1:51:23
  SPEAKER_21: I'm sure there's some historical reference to why they call it Pig's Eye, just a really weird name for a park.
• 1:51:31
  SPEAKER_21: It's awkward when you're saying that on a show.
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, getting back to what happened.
• 1:51:35
  SPEAKER_21: Um, passengers are dropping off their belongings before walking through a gated entrance into the river bluffs where the encampment is located.
• 1:51:42
  SPEAKER_21: Instead of luxury living next to the river, the slogan should be pay$2,700 of your hard-earned money a month to watch homeless people pee where you walk your dogs and kids, the resident told Alpha News.
• 1:51:58
  SPEAKER_21: To say that a lot of residents living here feel unsafe and angry is an understatement.
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_21: They went on to say.
• 1:52:05
  SPEAKER_21: The residents of the area has become increasingly unsafe just in the past two years.
• 1:52:10
  SPEAKER_21: Oh, but you know what, guys, they really need to cut all that um all that police budget.
• 1:52:14
  SPEAKER_21: We need more violence interrupters.
• 1:52:19
  SPEAKER_21: There is screaming and yelling all the time at night, she said.
• 1:52:23
  SPEAKER_21: I actually started taking our dogs to the bathroom before sundown because it makes me fairly uncomfortable.
• 1:52:29
  SPEAKER_21: She said police officers, firefighters, paramedics are frequent to visitors to the area and described a series of incidents that she and her husband have witnessed.
• 1:52:36
  SPEAKER_21: And before I get to um what the witness said, this is a good example of what I mentioned a moment ago.
• 1:52:45
  SPEAKER_21: You see, even the law enforcement officers that we have aren't able to go and deal effectively with these homeless encampments the way that they should, to the fullest extent of the law, because they're hamstrung by the leadership on the Minneapolis City Council.
• 1:53:00
  SPEAKER_21: And if they were to move against their wishes, we all know what the reaction is going to be from the left.
• 1:53:05
  SPEAKER_21: They'll just take advantage of it.
• 1:53:07
  SPEAKER_21: But law enforcement should be able to go in and root these individuals out, and they're simply not allowed to.
• 1:53:13
  SPEAKER_21: Again, fully staff the Minneapolis Police Department and then allow them to do the job to the full extent of the law.
• 1:53:23
  SPEAKER_21: By the way, I'm getting uh several uh individuals who are reaching out to me.
• 1:53:27
  SPEAKER_21: Apparently, Pig's Eye was the original name of St.
• 1:53:30
  SPEAKER_21: Paul, no joke.
• 1:53:33
  SPEAKER_21: That's lawyer extraordinaire, Jeff O'Brien.
• 1:53:35
  SPEAKER_21: Jeff O'Brien, if you are pulling a fast one on me, I'm not gonna respond to your text.
• 1:53:40
  SPEAKER_21: I'm just saying.
• 1:53:44
  SPEAKER_21: But he's probably right.
• 1:53:46
  SPEAKER_21: As a matter of fact, there's probably a blast just waiting for me to 612-584-4565.
• 1:53:53
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, that's ready to go and confirm exactly what uh lawyer extraordinaire uh Jeff O'Brien uh had to uh had to say.
• 1:54:01
  SPEAKER_21: And to my points, we go here on the John Justice Show.
• 1:54:08
  SPEAKER_16: St.
• 1:54:08
  SPEAKER_16: Paul used to be called Kigzai's friend from Little Canada.
• 1:54:12
  SPEAKER_21: There you go.
• 1:54:12
  SPEAKER_21: All right, so Jeff O'Brien.
• 1:54:14
  SPEAKER_21: I trust you, Jeff.
• 1:54:16
  SPEAKER_21: I just wasn't quite sure.
• 1:54:17
  SPEAKER_21: But yes, as Benjamin just pointed out.
• 1:54:19
  SPEAKER_21: So I had no, I know.
• 1:54:20
  SPEAKER_21: Did you were you aware?
• 1:54:21
  SPEAKER_21: Devin?
• 1:54:22
  SPEAKER_21: I had no clue.
• 1:54:23
  SPEAKER_21: You learn something new every day.
• 1:54:27
  SPEAKER_21: Oh, and again, apparently I'm the only one that didn't know this little factoid as we go back to the blaster line.
• 1:54:34
  SPEAKER_07: John, hey, two things.
• 1:54:35
  SPEAKER_07: Number one, you're not gonna see the local media hold any politicians accountable until there's a Republican in charge.
• 1:54:41
  SPEAKER_07: True.
• 1:54:42
  SPEAKER_07: Number two, Pig's Eye used to be the name of St.
• 1:54:45
  SPEAKER_07: Paul.
• 1:54:47
  SPEAKER_21: All right, thank you.
• 1:54:48
  SPEAKER_21: Now I understand.
• 1:54:49
  SPEAKER_21: And I also know why we now call it St.
• 1:54:51
  SPEAKER_21: Paul, because living in Pig's eye, I just wouldn't want to.
• 1:54:58
  SPEAKER_21: Doesn't sound very it doesn't sound very appealing.
• 1:55:03
  SPEAKER_21: That's just me.
• 1:55:05
  SPEAKER_15: Hey John, not only should we cater to property orders, we could do so exclusively.
• 1:55:12
  SPEAKER_15: People who don't own property shouldn't get to vote.
• 1:55:16
  SPEAKER_21: That is a uh so people who don't own property shouldn't get to vote.
• 1:55:20
  SPEAKER_21: I'm not gonna take it that far.
• 1:55:22
  SPEAKER_21: I don't think that is appropriate.
• 1:55:23
  SPEAKER_21: That's a bit on the extreme side of things.
• 1:55:25
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, thank you for the comments, though, to the uh uh blaster line.
• 1:55:29
  SPEAKER_21: 612-584-4565 if you would like to leave a comment.
• 1:55:34
  SPEAKER_21: And as mentioned, John.justice at americanexperiment.org.
• 1:55:38
  SPEAKER_21: More I witness accounts of what's been taking place.
• 1:55:42
  SPEAKER_21: I've been flashed by homeless men dropping their pants.
• 1:55:46
  SPEAKER_21: My husband has witnessed assaults and actually called police after someone was beat up and dropped over the fence like a rag doll.
• 1:55:55
  SPEAKER_21: We've both personally had our vehicles broken into.
• 1:55:58
  SPEAKER_21: I've witnessed kids in masks trying to jump over locked gates to get into our outdoor community area.
• 1:56:06
  SPEAKER_21: Another resident, apartment man, uh, according to the resident, apartment management has been great and has worked with the pig's eye police department.
• 1:56:15
  SPEAKER_21: See, this doesn't roll off the tongue.
• 1:56:19
  SPEAKER_21: The St.
• 1:56:20
  SPEAKER_21: Paul Police Department.
• 1:56:22
  SPEAKER_21: Although Pig's Eye Mayor Horny Her, that does roll off the tongue.
• 1:56:27
  SPEAKER_21: I will say that much.
• 1:56:29
  SPEAKER_21: Anyway, uh, according to the resident, again, apartment management has been great.
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_21: They've been working with the St.
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_21: Paul PD to try to address the ongoing problems.
• 1:56:36
  SPEAKER_21: She said no trespassing signs have been posted, surveillance cameras installed, and patrols increased around the property despite those efforts.
• 1:56:43
  SPEAKER_21: She said the encampment continues to grow and does not plan to renew her lease when it expires.
• 1:56:48
  SPEAKER_21: With the amount of money we pay to live there, personally, I feel like these things shouldn't, um, we shouldn't have to deal with.
• 1:56:54
  SPEAKER_21: And again, I know I was applying this to what's happening in Minneapolis, but the same thing rings true for both Minneapolis and St.
• 1:57:00
  SPEAKER_21: Paul.
• 1:57:01
  SPEAKER_21: Because the police departments, while I think St.
• 1:57:03
  SPEAKER_21: Paul's a little bit better off, uh, not by a lot than Minneapolis, they're still not able to go and enforce the law to their fullest extent because of the policies put in place by the leadership that hamstrings our law enforcement from being able to go and do the job that they want to do.
• 1:57:21
  SPEAKER_21: Right?
• 1:57:22
  SPEAKER_21: To the detriment of the taxpayers, the property owners, the apartment renters in the Twin Cities.
• 1:57:30
  SPEAKER_21: Last month, city officials announced they would permanently close the homeless encampments across St.
• 1:57:34
  SPEAKER_21: Paul, beginning with Pig's Eye.
• 1:57:36
  SPEAKER_21: Officials described the effort as a doing nothing with my fingers, service-focused, coordinated transition plan, saying outreach workers would connect people with shelter treatment and housing rather than simply clearing the camps.
• 1:57:50
  SPEAKER_21: Mayor Herr said the goal was to minimize disruption while helping people move to a safer, more stable life, and then asking the reporter um comments about her breasts and talking about her own.
• 1:58:05
  SPEAKER_21: Okay, that didn't happen.
• 1:58:06
  SPEAKER_21: I just the city cited fires, sexual assaults, not just the allegations against Horny Her, by the way.
• 1:58:18
  SPEAKER_21: The jokes just keep coming here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 1:58:22
  SPEAKER_21: Overdoor uh overdose deaths and other dangerous conditions as reasons for closing encampments.
• 1:58:30
  SPEAKER_21: Angie, a longtime server at OBS Sports Bar and Grill, said people who appeared to be under the influence of drugs have fallen asleep on the restaurant's patio, washed up in its bathrooms, rummaged through the dumpsters, urinated on the patio, stolen outdoor furniture, and approached customers for money.
• 1:58:48
  SPEAKER_21: It's like the walking dead, Angie said.
• 1:58:50
  SPEAKER_21: It's completely insane.
• 1:58:52
  SPEAKER_21: Boy, you never see um any of that type of footage uh coming from the uh Twin Cities apologists.
• 1:58:58
  SPEAKER_21: They always show the nice patios with just happy young individuals enjoying their beverages on a summer day.
• 1:59:06
  SPEAKER_21: Never this stuff.
• 1:59:08
  SPEAKER_21: But remember, everything's fine in the Twin Cities.
• 1:59:09
  SPEAKER_21: Any commentary coming from conservative commentators like me should just be completely ignored because we don't know what we're talking about.
• 1:59:16
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:59:19
  SPEAKER_21: Alpha News reached out to Mayor Her's office and the St.
• 1:59:22
  SPEAKER_21: Paul Police Department for comment on residents' concerns about the reported increase in activity behind the Waterford Bay apartments and the city's transition plan.
• 1:59:30
  SPEAKER_21: The St.
• 1:59:30
  SPEAKER_21: Paul Police Department confirmed it is aware of the increased activity in the encampment behind Waterford Bay and said officers have been proactively patrolling the area since the pig eye encampment was closed.
• 1:59:41
  SPEAKER_21: But it wasn't enclosed.
• 1:59:42
  SPEAKER_21: They just moved to another location.
• 1:59:43
  SPEAKER_21: This is what I don't understand.
• 1:59:44
  SPEAKER_21: You close down the one encampment, the group of individuals went to another place, just go there and root them out.
• 1:59:52
  SPEAKER_21: Again, this none of this should be this hard.
• 2:00:07
  SPEAKER_21: Clever.
• 2:00:09
  SPEAKER_21: Code enforcement officers engaging individuals living at the encampment, while patrol officers monitor the area and respond to calls for service.
• 2:00:17
  SPEAKER_21: Mayor Herz's office, of course, did not respond to an Alpha News request for comment.
• 2:00:22
  SPEAKER_21: Um, during the time of publication, Alpha News also reached out to the Waterford Bay apartments for comment, but did not receive a response either.
• 2:00:31
  SPEAKER_21: Color me, not shocky.
• 2:00:32
  SPEAKER_13: Hey, good morning, John.
• 2:00:33
  SPEAKER_13: Bruce and Shockby.
• 2:00:34
  SPEAKER_13: Yeah, you know, Pig's Eye used to be the name of St.
• 2:00:37
  SPEAKER_13: Paul, but with all the stuff that's going down around there now, uh, it might be appropriate to change the name back to Pigseye.
• 2:00:45
  SPEAKER_13: Anyway, have a good day.
• 2:00:47
  SPEAKER_21: Thank you for the comment.
• 2:00:48
  SPEAKER_21: Good to hear from you, Bruce.
• 2:00:50
  SPEAKER_21: Again, the comment line is 612-584-4565.
• 2:00:54
  SPEAKER_21: Again, 612-584-4565 if you want to leave a comment at any point during the justice.
• 2:01:01
  SPEAKER_16: Why wouldn't you want to be a police officer in Minneapolis?
• 2:01:04
  SPEAKER_16: All you would do all day is drive around giving white people parking tickets.
• 2:01:09
  SPEAKER_16: Anything violent, you call the violence interrupters.
• 2:01:12
  SPEAKER_16: Any criminal activity, well, you're just too busy, and they're probably Somalians and you know you can't arrest them.
• 2:01:18
  SPEAKER_16: So it's probably the easiest police job on the planet, because all you can do is give white people parking tickets.
• 2:01:29
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• 2:02:02
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• 2:02:05
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• 2:02:09
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• 2:02:12
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• 2:02:23
  SPEAKER_21: If you missed any portion and you want to watch back uh the show coming up in about a half hour from now, uh Policy Fellow Josiah Padley will be joining us on the couch here in the American Experiment Studios to talk about the rising cost of school supplies for parents sending their children back to school.
• 2:02:41
  SPEAKER_21: It is the one of the biggest pet peeves uh that I have.
• 2:02:45
  SPEAKER_21: And so we're gonna get into the details about how the prices are going up once again for children for uh parents having to purchase those supplies for the teachers.
• 2:02:54
  SPEAKER_21: If you want to comment on that, we already have several that have rolled in.
• 2:02:56
  SPEAKER_21: Again, email john.justice.
• 2:02:58
  SPEAKER_21: J-O-N, by the way, I think I need to mention that.
• 2:03:00
  SPEAKER_21: I haven't mentioned that in a while.
• 2:03:01
  SPEAKER_21: J-O-N, John.justice at americanexperiment.org, or you can leave a comment as well at 612-584-4565.
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_21: All right, before we get into some uh Minneapolis uh scooter takeover uh action, I do have a couple things that I want to get into, including uh the latest regarding the uh flock cameras.
• 2:03:21
  SPEAKER_21: Uh before we do that, though, uh let's go here.
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_21: I don't have a good place to attach this audio clip.
• 2:03:30
  SPEAKER_21: So we'll just throw in some random audio uh that I discovered uh yesterday.
• 2:03:34
  SPEAKER_21: I have two different clips for you.
• 2:03:36
  SPEAKER_21: First off, you uh friends of the show are certainly familiar with They Them Energy.
• 2:03:44
  SPEAKER_21: There is an extended version that I found yesterday of They Them Energy.
• 2:03:49
  SPEAKER_21: So for those that aren't familiar, um, this was during some event, and I want to say it was happening during the various ice raids across the country, Metro Surge here and other parts.
• 2:04:02
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, and there were a lot of events that took place, and even so much so where they had speakers and artists showing up.
• 2:04:09
  SPEAKER_21: There was a woman, at least I believe she was a woman.
• 2:04:11
  SPEAKER_21: She got up on stage and she sang the they them energy song that we're all they them energy familiar with, right?
• 2:04:19
  SPEAKER_21: Okay, so what I wasn't um aware of was the fact that there's actually a longer video.
• 2:04:27
  SPEAKER_21: So I have that.
• 2:04:28
  SPEAKER_21: There's not much more to it, but it just made me laugh yesterday, and I figured for you fans of uh they them energy, uh, you would get a uh a kick out of the extended version and a portion of the video that I had not seen until I discovered it yesterday on X.
• 2:04:42
  SPEAKER_26: They them energy, they have energy, they them energy, they have energy, they them energy, they them energy, this is a public service announcement.
• 2:05:00
  SPEAKER_26: Anyone dressed in androgynous outfits, this is a sweet family minded that you are safe here, show off your body.
• 2:05:12
  SPEAKER_21: So if you caught that, she says this is a public service announcement for anyone dressing androgynous.
• 2:05:18
  SPEAKER_21: I had a hard time hearing what she said at the end, but um, be thankful that I just played the audio.
• 2:05:23
  SPEAKER_21: And if you're watching the show this morning, that I didn't play the video because it was at the end when uh she lifted up her uh top.
• 2:05:33
  SPEAKER_21: And let me just say for the sake of argument that she could uh definitely take advantage of the uh neutral wave uh program like I have.
• 2:05:41
  SPEAKER_21: I just want to say that up front.
• 2:05:44
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• 2:05:56
  SPEAKER_21: Listen, I've been through other weight loss plans before, and I went through the yo-yo dieting process that absolutely went away with the neutral wave program.
• 2:06:04
  SPEAKER_21: So uh prior to starting the new show here at American Experiment, I was going through this program.
• 2:06:11
  SPEAKER_21: And within about 40 days, I lost 22 pounds, and then I went back to my normal eating habits, except my eating habits weren't normal anymore.
• 2:06:19
  SPEAKER_21: It had changed my relationship with food.
• 2:06:21
  SPEAKER_21: It's not even a part of the program.
• 2:06:23
  SPEAKER_21: Just through the process of the program, my relationship with food changed and I was able to keep the weight off.
• 2:06:29
  SPEAKER_21: And because it was so successful, I decided to do another round of the program, and that's what I'm doing right now, because I know that another round of this program is going to get me to a point where I will be the right weight for an individual my age and my size.
• 2:06:43
  SPEAKER_21: And as my cardiologist told me recently, after I told him that I went on this neutral wave program, of which he was 100% in support of.
• 2:06:50
  SPEAKER_21: There's no shots, there's no pills.
• 2:06:52
  SPEAKER_21: He said it was one of the best things that I could do for me in my heart because one of the best things that you can do for yourself is to drop that weight because it takes all the pressure off your body.
• 2:07:00
  SPEAKER_21: 31,000 people across the metro have tried everything else, and neutral wave is where they got their life back.
• 2:07:04
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• 2:07:07
  SPEAKER_21: This includes the truth metabolic session and a red light therapy session on top of it.
• 2:07:11
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• 2:07:13
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• 2:07:16
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• 2:07:20
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• 2:07:24
  SPEAKER_21: That's 952-952-8685.
• 2:07:27
  SPEAKER_21: Or go to N-U-T-R-I-W-A-V-E.us to get more information.
• 2:07:33
  SPEAKER_21: Again, no shots, no pills, just results.
• 2:07:36
  SPEAKER_21: There's absolutely nothing like it.
• 2:07:38
  SPEAKER_21: Individual results may vary, and if you need any of that information again, all you need to do is reach out to me, john.justice at american experiment.org, and I'm happy to go and uh share that with you.
• 2:07:50
  SPEAKER_21: All right, one more clip that I wanted to share that I came across yesterday that I didn't have a story attached to.
• 2:07:54
  SPEAKER_21: This was a uh video that was posted uh online.
• 2:07:57
  SPEAKER_21: I've never heard anybody do this yet, and I hope this doesn't become a trend.
• 2:08:04
  SPEAKER_21: But the woman in this video, when talking about LGBTQ issues, has decided to go and take LGBTQ and turn it into its own word.
• 2:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: These liberal lesbians actually are on our way to drop that daughter off at slepaway camp at Camp Highlight, which is a camp for children of Ligibitqua parents or children who identify as legibit qua as legibit qua.
• 2:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: An amazing, amazing camp.
• 2:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: And um, she's headed there now, and we're really gonna miss her because we love her.
• 2:08:36
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, you heard that correctly.
• 2:08:37
  SPEAKER_21: Instead of saying LGBTQ, she was saying Libid uh Lebigit Qua.
• 2:08:44
  SPEAKER_21: Lebigit Qua.
• 2:08:47
  SPEAKER_21: LGBTQ, you're not saving any time.
• 2:08:50
  SPEAKER_21: You're not saying any you're saving any time at all by saying Libiditiqua.
• 2:08:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, actually are on our way to drop that daughter off at sleepaway camp at the camp highlight, which is a camp for children of legibitiquois parents or children who identify as legibit qua as libitiqua.
• 2:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's an amazing, amazing camp.
• 2:09:12
  SPEAKER_21: And um, she's headed Libidigwa is not a thing, and it needs to not become a thing.
• 2:09:23
  SPEAKER_21: All right.
• 2:09:24
  SPEAKER_21: Minnesota cities are now reconsidering uh the use of their flocks, uh, their flock cameras due to public concerns about privacy and surveillance.
• 2:09:32
  SPEAKER_21: North Branch has paused its contract while Isante County Sheriff's Department will move away from the system after the trial period.
• 2:09:41
  SPEAKER_21: West St.
• 2:09:42
  SPEAKER_21: Paul and Columbia Heights have also suspended or ended their contracts with Flock, according to a Fox 9 story.
• 2:09:51
  SPEAKER_21: This is what I don't understand.
• 2:09:53
  SPEAKER_21: And we talked about this at length on the Freedom Friday show uh last week, which I definitely encourage you to go and check out.
• 2:10:02
  SPEAKER_21: But why is it that there was nobody in charge at the city level when they implemented the trial?
• 2:10:09
  SPEAKER_21: Like if it's a trial run and you're using the flock of cameras in a trial setting and you're going to make a decision at the end of whether to keep them.
• 2:10:16
  SPEAKER_21: That's one thing.
• 2:10:17
  SPEAKER_21: That I understand.
• 2:10:18
  SPEAKER_21: That's the right thing to do.
• 2:10:19
  SPEAKER_21: But why is it these other areas, there wasn't anybody within city leadership whatsoever that was drawing the same concerns that the public did?
• 2:10:26
  SPEAKER_21: I mean, this is actually a good example of, you know, public comment periods in some cases, of which I'm not usually that big of a fan of.
• 2:10:34
  SPEAKER_21: But in this case, it seems that you could avoid a lot of headache time and dollars spent if you had somebody in a position of power from the get-go that was calling out, hey, um, there's some privacy and surveillance concerns about this, and perhaps we shouldn't go and spend this money putting them up there.
• 2:10:53
  SPEAKER_21: No, instead, what do we do?
• 2:10:54
  SPEAKER_21: We just go and we put them up there.
• 2:10:56
  SPEAKER_21: We wait for the public to respond, outrage to ensue, and then we go and take them down, wasting everybody's money.
• 2:11:01
  SPEAKER_21: I just I feel like there's a means in which you could tackle this issue beforehand so you don't get to this place where we are now, where suddenly you have these municipalities that are going and actually taking down these flock cameras.
• 2:11:15
  SPEAKER_21: I had a couple of comments that rolled into the blaster line based off of last hour's conversation and the pig's eye homeless encampment uh moving.
• 2:11:23
  SPEAKER_21: I want to go ahead and share them uh with you from the blaster line at 612-584-4565 on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment uh this morning.
• 2:11:34
  SPEAKER_18: Hey John, Joe here.
• 2:11:36
  SPEAKER_18: Never forget St.
• 2:11:37
  SPEAKER_18: Paul was the first city in Minneapolis that would deal with um let's say gangsters that would come to uh St.
• 2:11:46
  SPEAKER_18: Paul.
• 2:11:47
  SPEAKER_18: The deal was you can hang out here as long as you register with the police department and they would not turn you over to defense.
• 2:11:54
  SPEAKER_18: So, in a way, we were we were having way back then for uh people uh who were Illegal.
• 2:12:01
  SPEAKER_18: I like to know that.
• 2:12:03
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, and how many individuals, I mean again, whether it's Minneapolis or St.
• 2:12:07
  SPEAKER_21: Paul, how many individuals are costing the city money because they're taking advantage of city services?
• 2:12:15
  SPEAKER_21: Alright, let's go and hear from uh friend of the show, Tom, who is in Pigseye.
• 2:12:22
  SPEAKER_19: Hey John, St.
• 2:12:24
  SPEAKER_19: Paul.
• 2:12:24
  SPEAKER_19: Hey, I live over by that, Pig's eye.
• 2:12:29
  SPEAKER_19: All they do is run out in the morning, go over the corner, bag for money.
• 2:12:37
  SPEAKER_19: Look around your record.
• 2:12:39
  SPEAKER_19: That's why they don't want to go into no housing for the record.
• 2:12:43
  SPEAKER_19: Alcohol and drug activities.
• 2:12:45
  SPEAKER_19: Yep.
• 2:12:46
  SPEAKER_19: And they never will.
• 2:12:46
  SPEAKER_19: Never go.
• 2:12:48
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, listen, that goes back to what I to what I said before.
• 2:12:51
  SPEAKER_21: Uh you take a the same way we should with illegal immigration, you take a forced attrition approach.
• 2:12:56
  SPEAKER_21: You continue to enforce the rule of law, you root out these encampments as they start, you close them if they've grown if they've grown too big.
• 2:13:04
  SPEAKER_21: If they move to another location, you go in and you move those individuals out of that location.
• 2:13:08
  SPEAKER_21: You just keep doing that until you've whittled down the group to where it's no longer viable for the individuals who have no desire to go to an actual shelter to seek the right, correct help.
• 2:13:21
  SPEAKER_21: Because a lot of them, for that very reason, like he said, they don't want to have to stop using their drugs or drinking their alcohol.
• 2:13:28
  SPEAKER_21: You have other individuals that just want to live on the street.
• 2:13:30
  SPEAKER_21: And then those that genuinely want help will be put into a situation where I want to stay here in Minneapolis, so I'll go ahead and go to these shelters and get the help that I need and stop using drugs and alcohol.
• 2:13:42
  SPEAKER_21: That's how you go and handle this problem.
• 2:13:43
  SPEAKER_21: You don't cater to it.
• 2:13:44
  SPEAKER_21: That's not compassion.
• 2:13:46
  SPEAKER_21: That is not the compassionate thing to do.
• 2:13:48
  SPEAKER_21: The compassionate thing to do is to hold people accountable.
• 2:13:53
  SPEAKER_21: And we're going to need to do the compassionate thing when it comes to these young idiots hopping on scooters and taking over the streets of Minneapolis.
• 2:14:01
  SPEAKER_21: Because if we don't stop this now, it's only going to get worse now that these groups of individuals who have no regard for the law, who don't care about the city of Minneapolis, who are not positive contributors to the city of Minneapolis, see, oh, hey, we have a new way where we can go and get our, you know, excitement, our jollies on the weekend by taking over downtown Minneapolis on scooters.
• 2:14:27
  SPEAKER_21: And then unfortunately, you have, you know, fairly prominent commentators here in the area who are saying this is not a big deal.
• 2:14:34
  SPEAKER_21: Nobody was harmed.
• 2:14:37
  SPEAKER_21: It's not a big deal.
• 2:14:38
  SPEAKER_21: I'll keep my car, you know, I'll actually go and ride a lime scooter today.
• 2:14:42
  SPEAKER_21: I'll show just how this isn't a big deal at all.
• 2:14:46
  SPEAKER_21: Hundreds of people riding electro-scooters and bikes descended on downtown Minneapolis over the weekend for scooter takeovers, clogging streets, circling intersections, and in some cases, riding onto I-35W.
• 2:14:58
  SPEAKER_21: But it's not a big deal, everybody.
• 2:15:00
  SPEAKER_21: Who cares?
• 2:15:04
  SPEAKER_21: Despite the size of the gatherings and what police described at times as doing that thing with my fingers, reckless and disruptive behavior, authorities reported no crimes or citations.
• 2:15:14
  SPEAKER_21: The rides took place on Friday and Saturday night and appeared to have been fueled largely by invitations and videos circulate uh circulating on TikTok.
• 2:15:23
  SPEAKER_21: Some, including WCCO radio host uh Jason DeRussia, characterized the downtown rides as largely harmless fun, pointing to a lack of reported injuries or arrests.
• 2:15:35
  SPEAKER_21: Others criticize the rider's behavior as dangerous or disruptive, particularly after a portion of the group entered I-35W.
• 2:15:44
  SPEAKER_21: You know, part of the problem in uh Minneapolis are commentators that ride this middle-of-the-road stance and they don't take one really strong stance one way or the other.
• 2:15:55
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, that's a bummer.
• 2:15:56
  SPEAKER_21: Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
• 2:15:58
  SPEAKER_21: And I'm entitled to go and disagree with it and think it's stupid in contributing to the problem.
• 2:16:02
  SPEAKER_21: Friday night's takeover began with an invitation to a um couch lime scooter party at Nicolette Island Park.
• 2:16:10
  SPEAKER_21: The invitation encouraged participants to bring your own couch, bring your own fully charged lime scooter.
• 2:16:19
  SPEAKER_21: I don't know where the couch comes in.
• 2:16:23
  unknown: Okay.
• 2:16:24
  SPEAKER_21: Well, maybe it's in the story.
• 2:16:25
  SPEAKER_21: Videos circulating.
• 2:16:26
  SPEAKER_21: Oh, excuse me, let me back up.
• 2:16:28
  SPEAKER_21: Lime is a shared electric scooter and e-bike rental service available in Minneapolis and cities around the world.
• 2:16:34
  SPEAKER_21: Videos circulating online showed large groups of riders moving through downtown Minneapolis at times, circling intersections and riding past police cruisers.
• 2:16:43
  SPEAKER_21: While many participants rode rented Lime scooters, the group also included people on personal e-scooters and e-bikes.
• 2:16:51
  SPEAKER_21: Other footage showed riders taking the event's couch theme, quite literally, traveling through the streets on couches and even recliners balanced on couches.
• 2:17:02
  SPEAKER_21: There it is.
• 2:17:05
  SPEAKER_21: Oh, but it was largely harmless.
• 2:17:08
  SPEAKER_21: Just kids having fun.
• 2:17:10
  SPEAKER_21: What's the big deal?
• 2:17:15
  SPEAKER_21: Hundreds gathered near U.S.
• 2:17:16
  SPEAKER_21: Bank Stadium before setting off through downtown Minneapolis.
• 2:17:19
  SPEAKER_21: Event organizer uh Johan Vargas, 20 years old, told CCO that he organized the scooter meetup and promoted it on uh TikTok.
• 2:17:28
  SPEAKER_21: I just started seeing more and more people.
• 2:17:30
  SPEAKER_21: I don't know where half these people came from, but all of them said they saw the TikToks.
• 2:17:35
  SPEAKER_21: I was expecting maybe like 200, not 500, but to not 500 to 1,000.
• 2:17:39
  SPEAKER_21: But I mean, I'm glad everyone came out.
• 2:17:41
  SPEAKER_21: They all had fun.
• 2:17:42
  SPEAKER_21: I mean, that's what this is all about.
• 2:17:44
  SPEAKER_21: That's right.
• 2:17:44
  SPEAKER_21: It's fun to go and ride your lime scooter onto I-35 and put yourself in harm's way and the residents of Minneapolis in harm's way.
• 2:17:53
  SPEAKER_21: That's the that's the best.
• 2:17:57
  SPEAKER_21: Let's go back to the blaster line.
• 2:17:59
  SPEAKER_21: 612-584-4566.
• 2:18:03
  SPEAKER_18: Um speaking of uh the downtown screen, you see uh Jason Girux and Tom playing like it wasn't a big deal.
• 2:18:10
  SPEAKER_18: I mean happy to see uh a bunch of kids driving riding around together and having a good time, and then a little five W and I was kind of kind of bad tracking for the second pair when he was getting torn apart online, but I used a half an idiot as well.
• 2:18:29
  SPEAKER_21: Tell me how you uh really feel, uh, Alex, and thank you so much for uh the uh the comment.
• 2:18:36
  SPEAKER_21: Uh getting back to the Alpha News story.
• 2:18:40
  SPEAKER_21: Saturday night's ride eventually moved beyond the Minneapolis uh city streets.
• 2:18:44
  SPEAKER_21: The Minneapolis State Patrol told Alpha News that approximately 11 troopers from across the metro responded around 1040 p.m.
• 2:18:52
  SPEAKER_21: Saturday after receiving a report of the large group of Lyme scooters entering I-35W.
• 2:19:01
  SPEAKER_21: The city estimated 200 to 300 scooters came from the witness reports, not an independent state patrol count, according to the State Patrol Public Information Officer, who said the State Patrol does not have an independent estimate confirming that number.
• 2:19:16
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, Jennifer Creer, Lieutenant Jennifer Creer of the uh St.
• 2:19:20
  SPEAKER_21: Paul Patrol Public Information, uh, said the riders entered southbound I-35 from South 4th Street and exited East 17th, 11th Avenue, South.
• 2:19:31
  SPEAKER_21: By the time the troopers arrived, the group had already left the freeway and returned to the Minneapolis streets.
• 2:19:36
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, what harm was done, guys?
• 2:19:40
  SPEAKER_21: I mean, what's the big deal?
• 2:19:41
  SPEAKER_21: We protest on the freeway all the time here in Minneapolis.
• 2:19:47
  SPEAKER_21: State Patrol received no reports of crashes, thank the good Lord Almighty, or injuries and no reports of motorists having to stop, swerve, or take other evasive action because of the riders.
• 2:19:57
  SPEAKER_21: Still, Creer described the group's presence on the interstate as with my fingers, extremely dangerous a situation.
• 2:20:05
  SPEAKER_21: And warned that a repeat could um result in citation or arrests, and it should.
• 2:20:12
  SPEAKER_21: There's nothing safe about a large group of scooters or bicycles entering an interstate, Creer said.
• 2:20:18
  SPEAKER_21: Motorists are traveling at highway speeds and cannot reasonably be expected to anticipate or safely maneuver around a large group of vulnerable road users in the roadway.
• 2:20:29
  SPEAKER_21: You know, there is a part of me like I'm glad these individuals, these kids, aren't on their black mirrors.
• 2:20:35
  SPEAKER_21: Like that's like that's the one aspect of it.
• 2:20:38
  SPEAKER_21: There's a there's a middle ground here.
• 2:20:39
  SPEAKER_21: What they did is incredibly dangerous and stupid.
• 2:20:43
  SPEAKER_21: And if it happens again, law enforcement needs to move in and put a stop to it immediately, or else it's just going to go and get worse.
• 2:20:53
  SPEAKER_21: But at the same time, also, I'm glad that they found this on TikTok and decided to get off TikTok and get out and actually go and do something.
• 2:21:01
  SPEAKER_21: You know what it is, uh, Devin?
• 2:21:03
  SPEAKER_21: They need to do um uh fast and furious rules.
• 2:21:07
  SPEAKER_21: Remember the fast and furious guys in the first movie, it was illegal to go and race on the streets, so what did they do?
• 2:21:13
  SPEAKER_21: They did race wars out in the desert.
• 2:21:15
  SPEAKER_21: Where they would go and compete out in the desert where it was legal and sanctioned, where they could still get their dopamine and their adrenaline rush, but not doing it on the streets of Los Angeles where it was a danger.
• 2:21:27
  SPEAKER_21: See, I'm just solving problems left and right here.
• 2:21:29
  SPEAKER_21: I love where your mind's at.
• 2:21:30
  SPEAKER_21: Thank you very much.
• 2:21:31
  SPEAKER_21: May have broken the record for uh movie references this morning, though.
• 2:21:36
  SPEAKER_21: I'm not sure if somebody's keeping track.
• 2:21:37
  SPEAKER_21: There's got to be somebody keeping track, right?
• 2:21:39
  SPEAKER_21: A John Justice movie reference tracker.
• 2:21:42
  SPEAKER_21: On second thought, don't do that.
• 2:21:46
  SPEAKER_21: It is a luxury of having the new show here at American Experiment, by the way.
• 2:21:49
  SPEAKER_21: State Patrol is encouraging Minneapolis officers and scooter companies to discuss implementing geofencing technology, similar to systems used in other metropolitan areas to prevent scooters from entering restricted areas.
• 2:22:01
  SPEAKER_21: You know, hey, listen, who knows?
• 2:22:02
  SPEAKER_21: Maybe Jason DeRusha over at CCO can turn this into a bit and he can lead the next scooter rally.
• 2:22:07
  SPEAKER_21: He could be right there at the at the front of the line.
• 2:22:11
  SPEAKER_21: In a statement to Alpha News, Minneapolis police said that they were aware of uh the gathering involving hundreds of scooter riders who traveled in a large group through downtown in southeast of Minneapolis on Saturday night.
• 2:22:22
  SPEAKER_21: MPD monitored the group and its movements, which at times were reckless and disruptive to traffic.
• 2:22:28
  SPEAKER_21: Still, no arrests were made and no citations were issued.
• 2:22:32
  SPEAKER_21: Um police did indicate that they could take additional steps if similar gatherings were to continue.
• 2:22:38
  SPEAKER_21: They will work with appropriate city resources and scooter companies in an effort to regulate where and how these scooters may be operated.
• 2:22:47
  SPEAKER_21: Just be careful though, because you don't want to shut down the scooters if they have the ability to do like right in the middle of the ride.
• 2:22:52
  SPEAKER_21: Can you imagine?
• 2:22:53
  SPEAKER_21: Like a thousand lime scooter riders, and they just turn them all off and they'll they all just wreck.
• 2:22:59
  SPEAKER_21: Would make a great visual, though.
• 2:23:03
  SPEAKER_21: The weekend scooter takeovers may not be the last.
• 2:23:05
  SPEAKER_21: In a TikTok video, Vargas said he is planning similar events at the Mall of America and the Minnesota State Fair.
• 2:23:13
  SPEAKER_21: By the way, we do have an update, and I want to get to this on the show today.
• 2:23:17
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, state and Ramsey County are suing.
• 2:23:19
  SPEAKER_21: Speaking of the State Fair and gangs, these ones aren't necessarily scooter gangs, these are Somali gangs.
• 2:23:24
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• 2:23:29
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• 2:23:34
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• 2:23:40
  SPEAKER_21: Here at uh American Experiment and AmericanExperimenta.org.
• 2:23:44
  SPEAKER_21: Coming up in just a moment, I'm very pleased to welcome to the couch Josiah Padley.
• 2:23:49
  SPEAKER_21: She is a policy fellow here at uh Center of the American Experiment, has a brand new piece, new pencils and papers.
• 2:23:56
  SPEAKER_21: Parents plan to spend more money on back-to-back school supplies this year than uh last.
• 2:24:03
  SPEAKER_21: It's one of the biggest pet peeves that I have.
• 2:24:05
  SPEAKER_21: We will dive in to uh her story.
• 2:24:07
  SPEAKER_21: Also a response from uh a fellow policy fellow here, Katherine Wigfall, uh coming up in just a moment on the show.
• 2:24:14
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• 2:24:20
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• 2:30:22
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• 2:30:24
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• 2:30:33
  SPEAKER_21: Speaking of AI, I asked, why do parents have to pay for children's school supplies?
• 2:30:39
  SPEAKER_21: Public school budgets.
• 2:30:40
  SPEAKER_21: This is what the AI overview was.
• 2:30:42
  SPEAKER_21: Public school budgets rely on tax funds that are usually meant for large costs like teacher pay, buildings, and electricity, leaving little money for everyday items when budgets fall short.
• 2:30:53
  SPEAKER_21: Schools ask families to buy materials so classrooms have enough pencils, paper, and cleaning wipes to function all year long.
• 2:31:01
  SPEAKER_21: This is one thing that I do like about artificial intelligence is that there is a bias embedded in it, but you still do get, you know, a much more straight answer than you will, certainly any politicians.
• 2:31:12
  SPEAKER_21: With that, I want to welcome into the show.
• 2:31:14
  SPEAKER_21: Policy fellow here at American Experiment, uh Josiah Padley has a brand new piece out, uh new pens and papers.
• 2:31:21
  SPEAKER_21: Parents plan to spend more money on back to school ply uh supplies this year than last.
• 2:31:26
  SPEAKER_21: Uh good morning, uh Josiah.
• 2:31:28
  SPEAKER_21: Thank you so much for joining the show this morning.
• 2:31:29
  SPEAKER_21: I greatly appreciate it.
• 2:31:30
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, John.
• 2:31:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's so nice to be with you today.
• 2:31:32
  SPEAKER_21: Uh talk before we get into this, I want to talk about your piece, uh, your your thoughts on this.
• 2:31:37
  SPEAKER_21: Uh as I've mentioned throughout the show this morning, um uh it's it's one of the biggest pet peeves that I have.
• 2:31:42
  SPEAKER_21: We give so much money in taxes uh to go to our public education system, and yet it seems like every single year we see a story like this of the increase cost to parents of having to go and purchase these um supplies.
• 2:31:55
  SPEAKER_21: Uh before we get to that though, let's get to know you a little bit.
• 2:31:58
  SPEAKER_21: Um, how long have you been working here at uh Center of the American Experiment and what brought you here to American Experiment?
• 2:32:04
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, that's a great question.
• 2:32:06
  SPEAKER_02: My background's actually in teaching.
• 2:32:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I spent a few years as a classics teacher.
• 2:32:10
  SPEAKER_02: I taught in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
• 2:32:12
  SPEAKER_02: I taught Greek, Latin, and ancient history.
• 2:32:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I just had a great time doing it.
• 2:32:16
  SPEAKER_02: Love teaching, loved the kids, but I really wanted to do something that put my political science degree to use.
• 2:32:23
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to do something that had a little bit more writing to it.
• 2:32:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so I had the opportunity to move to Minnesota and to work for American Experiment about a year ago.
• 2:32:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm coming up on my one-year anniversary with American Experiment, I want to say in about a week or so.
• 2:32:37
  SPEAKER_21: Well, congratulations on that.
• 2:32:39
  SPEAKER_21: And now that I know and the listeners know a little bit more of your background, let me back up even further into this.
• 2:32:44
  SPEAKER_21: What is your overall perspective on this issue?
• 2:32:46
  SPEAKER_21: And I'll just provide you mine.
• 2:32:48
  SPEAKER_21: So my boys are thankfully both graduated.
• 2:32:50
  SPEAKER_21: I have a 24 and a 19-year-old.
• 2:32:52
  SPEAKER_21: Um, but I can tell you that every single start of the school year, uh, I would, you know, head in, especially in the younger ages, you know, to meet the new classroom, to bring in the school supplies.
• 2:33:03
  SPEAKER_21: You know, my wife Melinda would go out shopping for these supplies.
• 2:33:06
  SPEAKER_21: And every single year, I just was scratching my head going, why are we having to go and purchase all of these school supplies when our tax dollars, as I mentioned, should be going to cover these costs?
• 2:33:18
  SPEAKER_21: I don't want to disparage teachers because I'm not putting the onus on teachers, but what is your overall perspective on the issue?
• 2:33:25
  SPEAKER_21: Was this something that you dealt with when you were when you were teaching?
• 2:33:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, I think that the the short answer to what you're saying is that it's sort of a tradition that parents buy their own children's school supplies.
• 2:33:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and there's a practicality to it there.
• 2:33:39
  SPEAKER_02: If you have a child who is going to have individual flashcards or an individual notebook that they're going to personalize and make their own, it sort of makes sense that that's the property of the family and the property of the household.
• 2:33:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I do know that there are some affluent private schools, for example, at the private school that I taught at, that will allow parents to purchase a school supply box and so.
• 2:34:00
  SPEAKER_02: So that's sort of considered part of your materials for the year.
• 2:34:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so the school actually provides that as sort of a luxury service to parents.
• 2:34:07
  SPEAKER_02: But you are right that in the public schools, in charter schools, and in many other different types of private schools, that's something that parents have to do on their own.
• 2:34:16
  SPEAKER_21: I have like, and so it's so I'm glad you brought up that angle because like I don't have a personal issue or I don't have an issue with purchasing the items for my kids, but it seems like it's gone well beyond that now.
• 2:34:27
  SPEAKER_21: It's it's you're buying further supplies for the teachers in the classroom that aren't even just for your for your children.
• 2:34:35
  SPEAKER_21: That's where my problem has come into it.
• 2:34:38
  SPEAKER_21: Uh not so much buying them for just your own individual kids.
• 2:34:41
  SPEAKER_21: That's completely understandable.
• 2:34:42
  SPEAKER_21: But it seems like the push in the public school system is not just purchase items for your kids, but for every, for everybody.
• 2:34:50
  SPEAKER_21: Have you had some experience with that as well, Josiah?
• 2:34:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh I mean I've certainly heard of that occurring.
• 2:34:55
  SPEAKER_02: I think that typically, depending on the school, there are schools that will ask parents to buy more than is necessary.
• 2:35:03
  SPEAKER_02: But there are other schools that are very careful with what they're asking students to purchase.
• 2:35:08
  SPEAKER_02: So for example, I looked at Anoka Hennepin, which is the largest school district here in Minnesota, and I looked at Adams Elementary School, which is a pretty diverse school.
• 2:35:17
  SPEAKER_02: About half of the students in that school are on free or reduced lunch, which is a marker of poverty.
• 2:35:22
  SPEAKER_02: And when I looked at their third grade supply list, I didn't feel as if they were asking for anything excessive.
• 2:35:27
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 2:35:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it was uh a box of markers, a box of glue sticks, a box of pencils, a box of papers, that kind of thing.
• 2:35:35
  SPEAKER_02: Now, you may be saying to yourself, does my third grader need a whole box of markers?
• 2:35:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know, maybe they just need the red or the green or the blue or whatever.
• 2:35:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but no, I don't, I I didn't see, at least in my in my review of Adams Elementary and other elementary schools in Anoka Hennepin, that students were given these large lists of, say, four boxes of markers or five boxes of markers, things like that.
• 2:35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I do think that what we often see, instead of it being on the school supply list, is we'll see emails go out from teachers or administrators to parents that say, if you have the ability, please bring this into the classroom as a classroom donation.
• 2:36:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that you are right to point out that whenever we have to rely on donations, it's a sign that perhaps our school budgets are stretched in ways that we wouldn't prefer.
• 2:36:26
  SPEAKER_02: But I'll also point out that I think that the generosity of parents who are bringing in, you know, Kleenex boxes or uh extra markers for students who need things in their child's classroom.
• 2:36:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think that generosity is really worthwhile.
• 2:36:41
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, there's a I think there's a there's a balance there.
• 2:36:44
  SPEAKER_21: Um, society's perpetuated a lot of this when you head into the back to school year.
• 2:36:50
  SPEAKER_21: You can't go into uh Target or a Walmart or any large department store without seeing back to school supplies all laid out, you know, in in front of everybody.
• 2:37:00
  SPEAKER_21: Uh it was my experience that it just appeared as if the situation was getting worse and worse every time we went, where we were having to require purchasing more and more, well beyond what our um what our child needed.
• 2:37:15
  SPEAKER_21: Um getting back to your piece, again, talking with Josiah Padley, a policy fellow here at American Experiment, um, it seems as if we get the story every year that the cost of these supplies, regardless of whether or not you're buying it for your kid or for the rest of the classroom, it is going up and certainly is going up this year too, correct?
• 2:37:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, that's correct.
• 2:37:33
  SPEAKER_21: Um so talk talk a little bit about the fact that the price tag doesn't necessarily reflect uh the school's supplies either.
• 2:37:40
  SPEAKER_21: It goes well beyond the school supplies, right?
• 2:37:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so there's lots of different angles here.
• 2:37:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll start off by saying that in my piece I'm mostly working through a 2026 PWC survey.
• 2:37:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so in this survey, um, PWC asked families what they planned to spend in back to school shopping.
• 2:37:58
  SPEAKER_02: And the the whole number they got was$922, which is shocking, in my opinion.
• 2:38:05
  SPEAKER_02: And they said about half of them or 47% of them plan to spend more than they did last year.
• 2:38:10
  SPEAKER_02: Now, there are several pieces to this because that$922 number isn't actually just your markers and what we think of as like school supplies.
• 2:38:19
  SPEAKER_02: It also includes things that are sort of nice to have, like you want new clothes, or you want new shoes, or you want a new football uniform, or whatever.
• 2:38:28
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, sometimes those are needs and sometimes those are wants.
• 2:38:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like I would say, um, a new laptop is oftentimes a want when you're talking about an eighth grader.
• 2:38:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so when you when you pull that number down, your the PWC survey found that parents plan to spend about$122 specifically on school supplies.
• 2:38:47
  SPEAKER_02: And when I looked at, again, I looked at Adams Elementary School, I looked at their third grade supply list, and you know, the the fanciest thing that they had on that list was corded headphones and a pair of tennis shoes.
• 2:38:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I think every third grader probably does need that.
• 2:39:01
  SPEAKER_02: When I looked on Amazon, uh, just to do a quick review, putting in nicest items I could think of, you know, the Elmer's glue, the disappearing purple, sure, the good stuff, that runs about$155, which is actually above the PWC's national average number.
• 2:39:17
  SPEAKER_21: Wow.
• 2:39:18
  SPEAKER_21: Um, I want to go to the uh blaster line.
• 2:39:21
  SPEAKER_21: Some comments have uh rolled in as we continue our discussion with uh policy fellow here at American Experiment, Josiah Padley.
• 2:39:27
  SPEAKER_21: And again, the piece parents are planning to spend more uh money on back-to-back uh school supplies this year than last.
• 2:39:33
  SPEAKER_21: And there's actually a subsequent piece written by um our fellow policy fellow, Catcher Wigfall.
• 2:39:38
  SPEAKER_21: We'll get to that in just a moment.
• 2:39:39
  SPEAKER_21: But let's go to the uh blaster line at 612-584-4565.
• 2:39:44
  SPEAKER_21: Justin uh left this uh earlier this morning here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 2:39:51
  SPEAKER_14: John Justice, this is Justin from Zimmerman, Minnesota.
• 2:39:55
  SPEAKER_14: Hey, here's another thing that'll get your blood boiling about the school supply stuff.
• 2:39:59
  SPEAKER_14: Uh, I work in the craft industry now for many years.
• 2:40:03
  SPEAKER_14: Uh, most of those schools and most of those teachers throw away all the excess at the end of the year.
• 2:40:09
  SPEAKER_14: Dumpsters are completely full of school supplies that haven't even been opened or used just to get new stuff next year.
• 2:40:18
  SPEAKER_21: You know, I hear anecdotal stories like this, and I have in the past when we've had these types of discussions uh on the show.
• 2:40:25
  SPEAKER_21: And again, they're anecdotal.
• 2:40:26
  SPEAKER_21: This may not be a systemic issue across all the schools, but there are certainly things that uh that happen.
• 2:40:30
  SPEAKER_21: But all of it, you know, typically goes in underscores, and it's something, Josiah, that you mentioned earlier.
• 2:40:35
  SPEAKER_21: And that is the fact that we just need to be doing a better job of budgeting across the board when it comes to our education uh system.
• 2:40:43
  SPEAKER_21: I'm with you.
• 2:40:43
  SPEAKER_21: You know, the generosity of parents, and I saw it every single year at the start of the school year, was clearly there.
• 2:40:49
  SPEAKER_21: People are more than happy to go and uh and help.
• 2:40:52
  SPEAKER_21: But it does raise that question of where else is money being spent where it could go for necessities um like this.
• 2:40:59
  SPEAKER_21: Um, what else did you discover when you were researching your piece about this particular um issue?
• 2:41:05
  SPEAKER_21: I know you covered the generosity of it as well, but you also mentioned that you know parents in some states uh may see their bill for after-school activities also um disappear in the future, correct?
• 2:41:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's that's exactly correct.
• 2:41:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think this kind of gets to the major point of better stewardship is needed when we're thinking about our school system, because I think that, you know, we don't want markers to be thrown out at the end of the year, and we also don't want money to be thrown out unnecessarily.
• 2:41:31
  SPEAKER_02: So there's something that is actually new on the horizon for parents to be thinking about.
• 2:41:36
  SPEAKER_02: It came about through the one beautiful one big beautiful bill, sorry, lots of bees sure.
• 2:41:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it's something called the Federal Tax Credit Scholarship.
• 2:41:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, what the Federal Tax Credit Scholarship is, is it is a new type of tax write-off that has been created.
• 2:41:51
  SPEAKER_02: It is a$1,700 tax credit whenever parents or community members or anyone who has seventeen hundred dollars or up to$1,700 donates to a scholarship granting organization.
• 2:42:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's just a tax credit, which is a great thing for some people to have.
• 2:42:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now, what those scholarship granting organizations are, is they are organizations that have to give those funds to students who are at least at two different schools, um at least 10 students, and those scholarships go to both public and private and charter school students.
• 2:42:25
  SPEAKER_02: And you may be thinking to yourself, well, what does a public school student need with a scholarship, right?
• 2:42:30
  SPEAKER_02: But what that is, is that's a scholarship that can go to after-school tutoring, it can go to certain types of special education needs, it can go to after-school activities.
• 2:42:40
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you have your football scholarship, your drama scholarship, your choir scholarship, all kinds of things like that.
• 2:42:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so the possibilities are really endless for this with a state that allows scholarship granting organizations to operate.
• 2:42:52
  SPEAKER_02: Now, unfortunately, um Minnesota will not be allowing these scholarship granting organizations to operate because it requires a governor opt-in signature.
• 2:43:02
  SPEAKER_02: And so far, uh Waltz has refused to opt in.
• 2:43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I'm hopeful that whoever is in the gubernatorial office um next year will opt to uh opt Minnesota in, because I think this is just an easy win.
• 2:43:14
  SPEAKER_02: We have seen so many states opt in all around the nation.
• 2:43:17
  SPEAKER_02: We've seen Republican states, Democratic states, um, and we've seen lots of advocacy from both red and blue education organizations to try and get states to opt in.
• 2:43:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's really my hope for um Minnesota that we don't leave this money on the table.
• 2:43:33
  SPEAKER_02: So actually, we've done an analysis, or sorry, other organizations have done an analysis of how much money Minnesota might be leaving on the table.
• 2:43:41
  SPEAKER_02: And if just a small percentage of potential donors donated to these scholarship granting organizations, that's up to$400 million over a three-year period.
• 2:43:52
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah.
• 2:43:52
  SPEAKER_21: And that's significant.
• 2:43:53
  SPEAKER_02: That that is significant.
• 2:43:54
  SPEAKER_21: Could make a huge difference.
• 2:43:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 2:43:56
  SPEAKER_02: And for schools that are oftentimes suffering under lots of unfunded mandates, um, suffering under just budget crunches that get worse and worse with inflation and the cost of living going up.
• 2:44:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this is money that could be a huge lifesaver, especially to arts programs.
• 2:44:12
  SPEAKER_21: We're going to talk with uh Josiah Padley here, again, policy fellow at American Experiment.
• 2:44:16
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, for a few more minutes, I want to go back to the blaster line, 612-584-4565, and friend of this show.
• 2:44:23
  SPEAKER_21: Uh Chuck has a uh has a comment to make based off of this discussion.
• 2:44:27
  SPEAKER_10: Hello, John Justice.
• 2:44:28
  SPEAKER_10: This is Chuck from Green Isle.
• 2:44:31
  SPEAKER_10: I was born in the middle of the last century, and when I went to school in the late 50s, all the 60s, and all the 70s.
• 2:44:40
  SPEAKER_10: We always had to provide our own people and notebooks to write on and had to do it every year and uh replaced them throughout the year as it came along.
• 2:44:52
  SPEAKER_10: I don't know what the idea is parents to provide for their children, and they should work with them each day at home on reading and writing and arithmetic.
• 2:45:04
  SPEAKER_10: But today is today and things are different, I guess.
• 2:45:08
  SPEAKER_21: I think that's the uh I think that's the big takeaway is that uh today is today and things are are absolutely different.
• 2:45:14
  SPEAKER_21: I imagine back then the education system was a lot more streamlined and simple, and we were more focused on the reading, writing, and arithmetic than a lot of what we deal with uh we deal with today.
• 2:45:24
  SPEAKER_21: Um In your experience as a teacher, I I'm curious, is there an aspect of it you miss or what were some of the maybe the the biggest points of contention that you might have that you might have had and anything that may relate to uh to what the research has shown you based off of the price of school supplies here in Minnesota?
• 2:45:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you mean um experiences I like just teaching in general?
• 2:45:44
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:45:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, I think the the most delightful thing about teaching is interacting with the students.
• 2:45:50
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah.
• 2:45:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um and you know, one of my majors was classics.
• 2:45:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a big classics nerd, and so it was just such a gift to get to immerse myself in the classical world and the Greek and in the Latin with students who actually really cared about it.
• 2:46:01
  SPEAKER_02: Because here's the dirty little secret you really don't take Greek or Latin unless you care about it.
• 2:46:05
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, I would imagine so.
• 2:46:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:46:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I I got a little bit spoiled because I don't think every every teacher has that experience.
• 2:46:12
  SPEAKER_21: Do you miss it?
• 2:46:13
  SPEAKER_02: I do miss it.
• 2:46:14
  SPEAKER_02: I love my job now.
• 2:46:15
  SPEAKER_02: I really enjoy writing.
• 2:46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I miss I miss my particular students.
• 2:46:19
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 2:46:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know, but they they've all gone on, they're all in college now because I was teaching um high school.
• 2:46:24
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 2:46:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so I get little contacts from them every so often.
• 2:46:27
  SPEAKER_02: And they they all seem to be doing quite well.
• 2:46:28
  SPEAKER_21: Now, obviously, through your work here at American Experiment, you you know, you're focusing on these on these issues.
• 2:46:34
  SPEAKER_21: You know, I'm just curious, you know, of the current education um, you know, system, like what are your overall thoughts?
• 2:46:39
  SPEAKER_21: If you could, you know, if you were to return to teaching, you know, what concerns would you have in getting back into the classroom and having students back in front of you again?
• 2:46:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's a great question.
• 2:46:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think that it really depends also on what type of school you are teaching at.
• 2:46:55
  SPEAKER_02: The experience of a teacher at a public school is going to be very different than the experience of a teacher at a private school or even certain types of charter schools.
• 2:47:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I will say that it is a time of significant need in our country for there to be good teachers who have strong characters and who are willing to educate students in their heart and their mind as one, you know.
• 2:47:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that one of the significant concerns that I would have if I went back into the classroom, especially if I was teaching in the public education system, where there is not as much flexibility, is whether or not you would have sufficient administrator backup.
• 2:47:36
  SPEAKER_02: One of the things that we've seen constantly, and one of the things that things that I've had many conversations about in the context of being a policy fellow here at American Experiment, is that there are many teachers who desperately need administrative backup for things like uh like school discipline.
• 2:47:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if you have a student who's causing classroom evacuations constantly, do you have an administration that's going to get that student the support they need and remove them from the classroom?
• 2:48:02
  SPEAKER_02: Or do you have an administration that's gonna say, evacuate the classroom until they calm down and then go back in it and then evacuate it again and again and again and again?
• 2:48:10
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have an administration that's gonna hold the line whenever you give someone a poor grade?
• 2:48:15
  SPEAKER_02: Or do you have an administration that's gonna say, hey, you need to raise that grade a little bit so that mom and dad aren't mad at us and we don't get sued?
• 2:48:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's there's a lot of things that administrators have to protect teachers from.
• 2:48:26
  SPEAKER_02: And what we see in national surveys and what I hear in my anecdotal experience is that oftentimes those things aren't being done.
• 2:48:34
  SPEAKER_21: Talking with uh Josiah Padley, again, a policy fellow here at American Experiment.
• 2:48:38
  SPEAKER_21: And one of the things you can expect if you go to AmericaneExperiment.org, and we've been highlighting this, especially with the wrong track Minnesota uh campaign going on right now, highlighting those five things that are irrefutable.
• 2:48:51
  SPEAKER_21: They are backed up with data, the the difficulties that we're dealing with, which includes a lot of education issues.
• 2:48:57
  SPEAKER_21: Um, but it goes beyond that with what the policy fellows here at American Experiment write.
• 2:49:02
  SPEAKER_21: Your piece, um, talking about the rise in school supply costs this year.
• 2:49:06
  SPEAKER_21: There's a subsequent piece from Katrin Wigfall where she goes even uh deeper into what you had laid out in your original piece.
• 2:49:13
  SPEAKER_21: And again, for those that are looking at further information, uh, your article is a great starting point.
• 2:49:18
  SPEAKER_21: And then follow that up with checking out uh Catherine Wigfall's piece.
• 2:49:22
  SPEAKER_21: Save your receipts, back to school shopping now, taxes savings uh later, correct?
• 2:49:26
  SPEAKER_21: Um, what will people discover within Catherine's piece?
• 2:49:29
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, dovetailing off of uh your original article there, Josiah.
• 2:49:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, just before we get to Catherine's piece, I do want to highlight that I have linked in my piece, and you could find very easily online a list of back to school supply um support groups or a list of black back to school supply um donation experiences that anyone who is needing a new backpack or new school supplies could easily find and go online and um, you know, sign up their child for.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I really do encourage parents to do that.
• 2:50:01
  SPEAKER_02: If they're in a situation where they think financially, you know, maybe I I do want a free backpack this year, then I encourage them to do that because it's it's a hard, it's a hard road for some people whenever you need those kinds of things.
• 2:50:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um but for Katrin, Catron points out that actually, if you have the ability to wait until tax time, you can save a good amount of money on your school supply costs.
• 2:50:26
  SPEAKER_02: And that's because Minnesota has two things that are really helpful for people filing out their taxes.
• 2:50:31
  SPEAKER_02: One is an education subtraction, and one is an education uh tax credit.
• 2:50:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so that education subtraction that depends on how old your child is.
• 2:50:41
  SPEAKER_02: But if your child's in, say, kindergarten through sixth grade, you can get$1,625 off of your taxes.
• 2:50:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, sorry, off of um your measured income by the IRS at the end of the year.
• 2:50:54
  SPEAKER_02: If you're in 12th grade, you started college during the tax year, your maximum subtraction is$2,500.
• 2:51:00
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 2:51:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:51:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so obviously uh a subtraction is gonna really depend on income, what you have to pay in taxes at the end of the year, but any kind of subtraction is gonna be really helpful for people.
• 2:51:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's just a line on your state tax form, and people just need to know that it's aware.
• 2:51:16
  SPEAKER_02: The other thing that people need to be aware of is the Minnesota K through 12 education credit, which again is something that you can fill out as part of your state income tax form.
• 2:51:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so that education credit that's gonna be a credit to your taxes as opposed to a subtraction that subtracts money from the income that the IRS considers, if that makes sense.
• 2:51:35
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 2:51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that education credit, if that depends on children.
• 2:51:38
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't depend on children's age.
• 2:51:40
  SPEAKER_02: So if you have one or two credit, um, or sorry, if you have one or two children, then your maximum gross income for that credit has to be about$81,820.
• 2:51:52
  SPEAKER_02: So if you have an income that is$81,820 and you have one or two children, then you can qualify for that credit.
• 2:52:03
  SPEAKER_21: It's um, you know, it's it's nice to be able to talk about the positives of which, you know, parents can go and take advantage of.
• 2:52:10
  SPEAKER_21: And I would imagine that a lot of parents aren't even don't even realize that that's the case, that they have opportunities to actually save money every single year as their kids work through the education uh system.
• 2:52:19
  SPEAKER_21: And thank you so much for highlighting that again, talking with uh Josiah Padley, uh policy fellow here at americanexperiment.org.
• 2:52:26
  SPEAKER_21: I appreciate you coming in uh early and spending some time uh on the show.
• 2:52:29
  SPEAKER_21: And I encourage everybody to head on over to americanexperiment.org and check out uh her piece.
• 2:52:33
  SPEAKER_21: And in the piece is linked to uh Katrin's subsequent piece as well.
• 2:52:36
  SPEAKER_21: Thank you so much uh for coming on the show this morning.
• 2:52:38
  SPEAKER_21: I appreciate it.
• 2:52:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course.
• 2:52:39
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Don.
• 2:52:40
  SPEAKER_21: Before we uh wrap things up on an election day, I do want to encourage everybody to get out and vote if you haven't done so uh so far.
• 2:52:47
  SPEAKER_21: Uh I'll be doing that as I get home later on this afternoon.
• 2:52:50
  SPEAKER_21: The wife and I like to go and do it together.
• 2:52:52
  SPEAKER_21: Might even bring the dog with us, although I don't think it's happening at the school near my house like it typically is.
• 2:52:57
  SPEAKER_21: So I'll have to go find out, like a lot of other people.
• 2:53:00
  SPEAKER_21: So I'll be doing that when the show uh wraps uh up today.
• 2:53:02
  SPEAKER_21: I got an email yesterday that I wanted to share with you before we wrap up talking about concerns over Somali gangs at the Minnesota uh State Fair.
• 2:53:10
  SPEAKER_21: Tom writes this to John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 2:53:15
  SPEAKER_21: I wanted to share a viewpoint I've not heard you talk about on the endorsement process.
• 2:53:21
  SPEAKER_21: In my opinion, the process is very important.
• 2:53:24
  SPEAKER_21: The crap he writes that happens in the endorsement process has happened forever, according to my father, who has been in the Minnesota politics since the 1950s.
• 2:53:34
  SPEAKER_21: He was in his 90s when I asked him about this.
• 2:53:37
  SPEAKER_21: He has since passed.
• 2:53:39
  SPEAKER_21: If we skip the process and go right to a primary in the state, it gives the other side a say in your candidate.
• 2:53:46
  SPEAKER_21: The Democrats tend to have their ticket locked for the most part, giving them an opportunity to vote on the Republican side.
• 2:53:53
  SPEAKER_21: The Dems are much more organized in the state than Republicans.
• 2:53:56
  SPEAKER_21: So how do we fix it?
• 2:53:57
  SPEAKER_21: Good question.
• 2:53:58
  SPEAKER_21: Maybe the candidates may need to be a little bit more respectful to the process and show some honor.
• 2:54:03
  SPEAKER_21: Tells me a lot about the candidates.
• 2:54:04
  SPEAKER_21: Uh, Kendall Qualls was not my guy, but he will have my vote because he won the endorsement rights at Tom from Rogers.
• 2:54:11
  SPEAKER_21: Don't let an outside group uh have a say in anyone's camp.
• 2:54:16
  SPEAKER_21: Just one guy's opinion.
• 2:54:17
  SPEAKER_21: Um, Tom, I respectfully disagree.
• 2:54:20
  SPEAKER_21: And it's that last statement why I disagree.
• 2:54:22
  SPEAKER_21: Because I don't want a group of individuals going to, when I understand the process, I understand how these individuals are selected when they go to the GOP convention and they go and decide who's going to get the endorsement.
• 2:54:37
  SPEAKER_21: Um, I get it.
• 2:54:38
  SPEAKER_21: There's a process involved, but there's not enough of people to give a solid say, in my opinion, as a true representation of who the voters actually go and support.
• 2:54:51
  SPEAKER_21: I also don't subscribe to this notion that we are providing Democrats the opportunity of getting involved in our elections if we take everything to a primary.
• 2:55:01
  SPEAKER_21: We need to move the primary up earlier in the year.
• 2:55:03
  SPEAKER_21: That's what would have to happen, right?
• 2:55:05
  SPEAKER_21: This all needs to happen via the legislature.
• 2:55:08
  SPEAKER_21: But the number of individuals, Democrats, who would have to cross over to vote, to throw the chosen, you know, who the voters really want as their candidates, I just don't see that as being a viable concern.
• 2:55:22
  SPEAKER_21: Right.
• 2:55:23
  SPEAKER_21: It's something until it's nothing until it's something.
• 2:55:25
  SPEAKER_21: And in this case, you kind of highlighted the endorsement process has been a mess for a long time.
• 2:55:31
  SPEAKER_21: And in my opinion, it should have been removed a long time ago.
• 2:55:35
  SPEAKER_21: We've been doing this process for entirely too long.
• 2:55:38
  SPEAKER_21: And regardless of whether or not Democrats may go and get involved in the primary process to thwart the actual will of the voters, I personally am willing to take that risk so that we can have a truer representation of who the voters genuinely want, then what happens now.
• 2:55:56
  SPEAKER_21: And that is somebody ends up getting an endorsement, but potentially.
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_21: Has no shot at actually winning if we end up going to a primary, or they end up being the endorsed candidate who ends up going and running in the general um election.
• 2:56:10
  SPEAKER_21: I think there's going to be a lot of surprises coming out of tonight.
• 2:56:13
  SPEAKER_21: I really do.
• 2:56:14
  SPEAKER_21: You know, my predictions as far as how this goes, and this is just predictions, not based off of anything tangible.
• 2:56:21
  SPEAKER_21: I don't put a lot of stock within the polls.
• 2:56:23
  SPEAKER_21: Just looking at the anecdotal evidence, hearing the commentary.
• 2:56:27
  SPEAKER_21: My prediction tonight, again, not an endorsement, is that Lisa Damath will end up being the nominee, and it probably won't be as close as people expect.
• 2:56:36
  SPEAKER_21: That's that's my guess.
• 2:56:38
  SPEAKER_21: Again, I'm not saying that's who I'm voting for.
• 2:56:40
  SPEAKER_21: I'm just saying that's my guess in terms of Republicans and who they end up choosing to be um the nominee for for governor.
• 2:56:47
  SPEAKER_21: Uh I think Michelle Tefoya is looking at a fairly easy win uh this evening.
• 2:56:52
  SPEAKER_21: I don't think that's going to be very close.
• 2:56:54
  SPEAKER_21: When it comes to Angie Craig and Peggy Flanagan, I think that Angie Craig actually pulls it out.
• 2:56:59
  SPEAKER_21: I think the Democrats are aware that uh Peggy Flanagan is a more beatable candidate.
• 2:57:05
  SPEAKER_21: And because of that, there's going to be a turnout for Angie Craig to have her be victorious over Peggy Flanagan over the smallest of margins.
• 2:57:16
  SPEAKER_21: So we'll see how things uh shake out uh tomorrow.
• 2:57:18
  SPEAKER_21: Again, none of that is an endorsement.
• 2:57:20
  SPEAKER_21: Uh it's simply uh uh just my uh my prediction on what plays out tonight.
• 2:57:25
  SPEAKER_21: But if you've listened to my show for any length of time, you know that, you know, my predictions usually aren't all that great.
• 2:57:29
  SPEAKER_21: What's most important is you need to get out and vote.
• 2:57:32
  SPEAKER_21: That's what you need to do.
• 2:57:33
  SPEAKER_21: All right, here's what we'll do as we wrap up the show today, as I'm looking at the clock and we're starting to run out of time.
• 2:57:39
  SPEAKER_21: I'll share, I'll um save this story for tomorrow and our uh primary uh recap of the show starting at uh 6 a.m.
• 2:57:46
  SPEAKER_21: Um one quick, just I'll give you the summary on this.
• 2:57:49
  SPEAKER_21: And again, we'll talk about it in more detail on tomorrow's show.
• 2:57:52
  SPEAKER_21: The Minnesota Attorney General's office and the Ramsey County Attorney's Office have filed lawsuits to prevent two Somali gangs, Muddy and the Ville.
• 2:58:03
  SPEAKER_21: One of the gangs is named Muddy, and the other gang is named The Ville.
• 2:58:09
  SPEAKER_21: I didn't make them up.
• 2:58:11
  SPEAKER_21: From engaging in gang activity at the Minnesota State Fair, the lawsuits allege that the gangs are a public nuisance and have been involved in violent incidents, including shootings and brawls.
• 2:58:21
  SPEAKER_21: The lawsuits seek injunctions against the gangs and their affiliates, prohibiting them from gathering and harassing individuals associated with the gangs.
• 2:58:31
  SPEAKER_21: I will give you um, again, further details on the story and we'll get to your thoughts on uh Wednesday's uh Wednesday show.
• 2:58:38
  SPEAKER_21: We'll also be getting into how uh the DFL's agriculture committee co-chair says that Minnesota farmers never had it so good, and he knows this because he sees all the trucks, all the brand new trucks that are at Farm Fest and says, boy, if the if the farmers are doing so horribly, then why do they have all these trucks everywhere?
• 2:58:57
  SPEAKER_21: All these brand new trucks everywhere.
• 2:58:58
  SPEAKER_21: Unbelievable.
• 2:59:00
  SPEAKER_21: All right, as we wrap up uh the show today, earlier in the show, we talked about how Hillary Clinton is uh very concerned about uh the uh Republican attacks on the communists that are being elected to run for office across the state.
• 2:59:15
  SPEAKER_21: I played this earlier in the morning, and we'll do a uh replay as we close out the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 2:59:22
  SPEAKER_21: This is an ode to those who have been drinking the communist uh Kool-Aid.
• 2:59:26
  SPEAKER_21: Remember, you can leave a comment on Blast on the Blaster line at any point between now and tomorrow morning.
• 2:59:32
  SPEAKER_21: 612-584-4565.
• 2:59:35
  SPEAKER_21: You can also email me, John at dot justice at americanxperiment.org.
• 2:59:39
  SPEAKER_21: Get out and vote today, and I will talk to you guys tomorrow morning at 6 a.m.
• 2:59:44
  SPEAKER_21: Uh God bless, and we'll have a complete recap of tomorrow for as much as what we know tomorrow morning uh on the show.
• 2:59:50
  SPEAKER_21: So I hope you have a fantastic um primary election day, and I'll talk to you guys tomorrow morning, and now we go out with communist Kool-Aid At the country club here, they're passing oaks in blue, talking party colors like they're overdue.
• 3:00:26
  SPEAKER_05: The old brass on the wall keeps asking what went wrong.
• 3:00:31
  SPEAKER_05: But the new crew smiles off and hums a borrowed song.
• 3:00:36
  SPEAKER_05: Now the table's turning slow with a polished patient glow.
• 3:00:41
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody in the room feels the current start to grow.
• 3:00:47
  SPEAKER_05: Sticking by the pool stake, communism cool age.
• 3:00:55
  SPEAKER_05: Other skin of cool shape, passing cups around the parade.
• 3:01:00
  SPEAKER_05: Communism cool, and nobody knows what to say.
• 3:01:14
  SPEAKER_05: Hillary's by the phone with a careful word look, reading every headline like a line she didn't book.
• 3:01:24
  SPEAKER_05: She sees the banner shift, she hears the easy cheer.
• 3:01:30
  SPEAKER_05: The whole old playbook starts to fog up in the rear.
• 3:01:34
  SPEAKER_05: Now the table's turning slow with a polish patient glow.
• 3:01:39
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody in the room feels the current start to grow.
• 3:01:43
  SPEAKER_05: Communism cool late, stepping by the full side.
• 3:01:48
  SPEAKER_05: Communism cool days, staying with a straight face, odors in the school shape, passing cups around the parade.
• 3:01:58
  SPEAKER_05: Communism cool day.
• 3:02:00
  SPEAKER_05: Nobody knows what he stays.
• 3:02:13
  SPEAKER_05: The marina keeps on shining while the arguments roll on.
• 3:02:18
  SPEAKER_05: One side calls a progress, one side says the game is gone.
• 3:02:23
  SPEAKER_05: And the time keeps watching and I get on the whole board wall.
• 3:02:28
  SPEAKER_05: Smile step magazine brackets.
• 3:02:30
  SPEAKER_05: Why the dinosaurs got the start?
• 3:02:32
  SPEAKER_05: You need some cool age.
• 3:02:41
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, just a cool state, that's around the blue face.
• 3:02:46
  SPEAKER_05: You need some cool face.
• 3:02:49
  SPEAKER_05: Nobody knows what to say.
• 3:02:54
  SPEAKER_05: On the surface, heavy underneath.
• 3:02:58
  SPEAKER_05: Gentle as a stumble way, rolling underneath the feet.
• 3:03:03
  SPEAKER_05: Easy on the surface, heavy underneath.
• 3:03:08
  SPEAKER_05: Gentle as a way, rolling underneath the teeth.