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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, March 4 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: HiT's Thursday, March fourth. This is Jaguars Happy Hours. Jack
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Speaker 1: Wars Happy Hour is presented by Duval Motor Company. And
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Speaker 1: now a guy who's college nickname was the Poutine Dream,
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Speaker 1: shay T. Shackvill. Welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour, j P. Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Logman, and we have a busy program today, the
0:32
Speaker 1: calm before the storm. The free agency storm is a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks away. It's eerily quiet right now. We'll
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Speaker 1: see what happens in the coming week with the franchise
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Speaker 1: hag window closing next week, and then of course all
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Speaker 1: heck could break loose once the teams start trimming players
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Speaker 1: free agency. Right around the corner. Were eight weeks away
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Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft starting in Cleveland, Ohio, so two
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Speaker 1: months ahead of draft talk, and we'll go around the
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Speaker 1: National Football League. Jeff Lackerman with us from his home
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Speaker 1: studio today as he is every week, and here we
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Speaker 1: are Logs. You know, this is an early quiet time
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Speaker 1: around the Jags. There's not a lot of news coming
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Speaker 1: out of this place right now, but in two weeks
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Speaker 1: time that should change. It may be quiet for us
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Speaker 1: and for most fans, but make no mistake about it.
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Speaker 1: Inside the building, it is incredibly noisy. They have a
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Speaker 1: lot going on. They're trying to figure out exactly which
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Speaker 1: direction that they're gonna go in free agency. They're trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out who's going to be available in free agency.
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Speaker 1: They're trying to stack their draft boards position by position
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Speaker 1: and overall and uh and they're trying to do it
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Speaker 1: with a with a new staff. I mean so um.
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Speaker 1: I think when you have an organization that has kind
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Speaker 1: of been operating for a couple of years, are a
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Speaker 1: number of years and has been efficient, it's probably there's
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Speaker 1: a little bit more of a comfort zone. But when
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Speaker 1: you have a new coach, a new design of the organization,
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Speaker 1: a new general manager, and some new components to the
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Speaker 1: personnel staff besides the general manager, there's a lot going on.
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Speaker 1: It's just that we're not hearing about it. But trust
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Speaker 1: me that Jaguars have a lot going on and they're
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Speaker 1: working their rear ends off right now. And I think, well,
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Speaker 1: we'll see the fruits of that labor soon. You would
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Speaker 1: think that early in free agency, the first day or two,
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Speaker 1: since the Jaguars have the most money to spend in
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Speaker 1: the NFL, that there will be players, because they have
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Speaker 1: plenty of needs that could be helped by a veteran
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Speaker 1: free agent player to come in right away and play well.
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Speaker 1: And and you know, JP, to be honest with you know,
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Speaker 1: you kind of wonder sometimes when when Shot Khan made
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Speaker 1: the decision to clean house and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: with the conversation that he had with the media about
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Speaker 1: the change and how he felt it was needed, and
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Speaker 1: he talked about how much he was involved in the
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Speaker 1: decision making throughout all of last year leading up to
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Speaker 1: the point where we're at right now. You sit there
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Speaker 1: and you go, you know, he might be smarter than
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people give him credit for.
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Speaker 1: And that you know, you have a situation here to
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Speaker 1: where you have an amazingly attractive situation. You have an
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Speaker 1: organization that is flushed with cap space, that has acquired
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Speaker 1: great draft picks and uh and also the timing of
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Speaker 1: that with no pushing. And I'm not saying that he
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Speaker 1: predicted COVID, but I'm just saying that with COVID in
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Speaker 1: the situation that is upon us right now, boy, I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's probably not a more a more attractive new situation
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Speaker 1: in the National Football League than with the Jaguars have so,
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Speaker 1: you know, to be able to attract what he viewed
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Speaker 1: as the best of the best in Urban Meyer. Obviously
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Speaker 1: it worked tremendously, but you know, you just wonder, you know,
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Speaker 1: what was some of the decisions and you go back
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Speaker 1: and really were some of the decisions that we've seen
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Speaker 1: kind of put in play here in the last couple
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Speaker 1: of months, where some of these decisions may be made
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Speaker 1: maybe longer than that ago, and that now we're just
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Speaker 1: starting to we're only getting a glimpse of really what
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Speaker 1: is happening of the inner workings of this organization. But look,
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars are in in the catbird seat, so to speak.
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Speaker 1: This might be the one year in the NFL's history
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Speaker 1: that you can improve your team more so maybe than
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Speaker 1: in the other year because of what's going to happen
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Speaker 1: with the cap situation. You're gonna see a lot of
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Speaker 1: people that are gonna be out of work, and the
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Speaker 1: asking price of a lot of these people that are
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Speaker 1: gonna be out of work, I think it's gonna drop significantly.
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Speaker 1: And so if you're a team that has cap space
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Speaker 1: that has needs, which the Jaguars certainly fall into, both
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Speaker 1: of those categories, you are in a great position to
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Speaker 1: acquire talent and in a great position to improve your
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Speaker 1: football team. And I'm gonna tell you this, JP, they
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Speaker 1: would be crazy not to try to improve their football team,
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Speaker 1: because the last thing in the world that you want
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Speaker 1: to do is to try to do something like what
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Speaker 1: they did or what Dave calledwell and Gus Bradley back
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Speaker 1: in and that was to build through the draft and
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Speaker 1: build through you From looking I'm not saying that can't work,
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Speaker 1: but you've got to be able to support a young
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Speaker 1: quarterback who's going to be coming into this organization. You've
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Speaker 1: got to support them, and you support them by putting
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Speaker 1: good players around them. I'm curious, two legs, once these
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Speaker 1: deals start becoming public, once the newly year hits and
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Speaker 1: free agency opens for business and deals are made and
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Speaker 1: contracts are signed, what kind of deals might we see?
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Speaker 1: Will the will the players want maybe a shorter deal,
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Speaker 1: and then once this cap expands again a year or
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Speaker 1: two out, maybe they get a little more of the
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Speaker 1: piece of the pie. I wonder how much of that
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Speaker 1: would happen this year. I think it's gonna depend on
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Speaker 1: the player. You know, if you're talking about a veteran player. Look,
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Speaker 1: you know you look, you're trying to You're trying to
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Speaker 1: maximize it. You know, if you've got one contract left,
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Speaker 1: You're like, look, I've got to get all I can
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Speaker 1: get right now. I've got to get as much upfront
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Speaker 1: money as possible because this is my last go round.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go ahead and enter the dance again
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Speaker 1: in free agency. Whereas if it's a if it's a
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Speaker 1: young player and there are some free agents, and the
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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks have one in Griffin the quarterback, who is
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Speaker 1: essentially I think five years old and he's entering free agency,
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Speaker 1: well for him, look, he he might have two contracts,
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Speaker 1: maybe three contracts, depending on the length of the deals
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Speaker 1: that he signs in his future. So for I think
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Speaker 1: a younger player, it would probably be more beneficial to
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Speaker 1: do a shorter term deal because if you look at
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Speaker 1: what some of the moneys are being reported about, what
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Speaker 1: is the spected TV revenue contracts coming in out around
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Speaker 1: two billion a year. I mean, you would be absolutely
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Speaker 1: crazy if if you're gonna do anything longer than a
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Speaker 1: year or two because you want to get back in
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Speaker 1: free agency again when the TV money is bumped number
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Speaker 1: one and number two when the gates are back open
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Speaker 1: again and teams are making money and concessions and ticketing
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Speaker 1: and parking and everything else. You know. So, I think
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Speaker 1: it all just depends on the player in the situation
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Speaker 1: that that player is dealing with JP. But man, if
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Speaker 1: if I'm a young guy just entering free h C
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Speaker 1: and I've got you know, I'm not thinking that I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna be done for until another seven or eight years. Man,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna sign a short term deal and
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Speaker 1: then try to cash in with a big deal like
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Speaker 1: we've seen in the past. Once the COVID situation subside,
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Speaker 1: TV money has jumped and things get back to being
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Speaker 1: a little bit more normal to be able to cash
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Speaker 1: in again on another contract very soon. It's Jaguar's Happy Hour.
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Speaker 1: That's Jeff lug One. I'm J P. Shadrick. We're on
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Speaker 1: Tin Tin Am Radio and Jacksonville and on the Jaguar
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Speaker 1: social media pages each Thursday afternoon. We were talking about
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Speaker 1: this on another podcast earlier this week, Logs. You know,
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Speaker 1: the the idea of how many new players will be
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Speaker 1: on this final fifty three roster after training camp. It's
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Speaker 1: a one in fifteen team. It's a new coach, it's
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Speaker 1: a new GM. They want to make it in their
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Speaker 1: own likeness. So my idea was like, thirty of the
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Speaker 1: fifty three might be new faces to the organization next year.
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Speaker 1: Does that sound about right to you? Well, it could be.
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Speaker 1: And well the reason I said that because there's eleven
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Speaker 1: draft picks free agents coming, you know, undrafted guys that
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Speaker 1: they're gonna keep around. It's you're you're pushing a lot
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Speaker 1: of new guys right there. The one thing that JP look,
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Speaker 1: I mean it very well could be. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: could have thirty new faces easily with with fifty three
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Speaker 1: man roster. And then reality, you're not really just talking
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Speaker 1: about a fifty three man roster. You've got to expanded
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Speaker 1: practice squads and in a much more liberal situation because
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Speaker 1: I think the code rules are not going away in
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Speaker 1: one They're still gonna be around, so your roster is
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Speaker 1: really much bigger than But with that being said, I
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Speaker 1: think that you could see a significant change. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you can see thirty new faces very easily, but that's
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Speaker 1: not just out of fifty three. That's out of a
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Speaker 1: much bigger number with practice squad and everything else. And
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Speaker 1: I think though, that the organization has to be really careful.
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Speaker 1: And when I say careful, I'm not trying to say
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Speaker 1: that that they're going to do something and and and
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Speaker 1: mess it up. But what I mean by as far
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Speaker 1: as the age structure, you know, your football team that
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Speaker 1: you have right now, the way it is right now,
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Speaker 1: is incredibly young. You've got eleven draft picks that are
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Speaker 1: sitting right there for you to you and I think
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Speaker 1: at some stage of the game you need to start
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Speaker 1: thinking how young do we really want our football team
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Speaker 1: to be? And because you know, you're gonna have a
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Speaker 1: great opportunity to be able to acquire talent and free
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Speaker 1: agency because of the number of people that are going
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Speaker 1: to be looking for work because of cat situations with
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Speaker 1: other teams, so you're gonna be able to fill a
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Speaker 1: lot of those spots with free agency. Do you want
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Speaker 1: to add another eleven rookies to a football team that
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Speaker 1: was already the youngest roster in the National Football League
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Speaker 1: last year or would it make more sense to take
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Speaker 1: the eleven draft picks that you have, maybe package some
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Speaker 1: of them together to move up for one picks, in
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Speaker 1: other words, trade two picks for one that may be
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Speaker 1: higher in the draft, or trade three picks for one
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Speaker 1: that may be higher or jp. The even better situation
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Speaker 1: might be is to trade one of this year's draft
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Speaker 1: picks for a higher pick in two in a draft
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Speaker 1: where you're you don't have quite as much equally, so
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Speaker 1: build equity towards the future. And if you're the gentlemanager,
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Speaker 1: you've got to be sitting there thinking that would be
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Speaker 1: a perfect situation because we're gonna be able to approve
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Speaker 1: our football team and for you agency, we're available and
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Speaker 1: going to be able to do it reasonably from a
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Speaker 1: financial standpoint. We have a ton of draft picks from
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Speaker 1: last year, and it depends on how they like them
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Speaker 1: or how they don't like those type of guys. And
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Speaker 1: then with the draft picks that you have now, leverage
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Speaker 1: them into higher picks or future picks to keep the
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Speaker 1: aide structure of your roster where you want it to be,
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Speaker 1: which is a little bit more mature and not so young,
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Speaker 1: so plenty to dissect. And that's exactly what they've been
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Speaker 1: doing since they arrived in the office here, getting ready
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Speaker 1: for the next few weeks. Free agency coming up two
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Speaker 1: weeks away from yesterday, and then we're eight weeks from
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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. We're back in a moment. We'll hear
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11:51
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Speaker 1: the country. And that's what that's what he's done consistently
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Speaker 1: at the college level. So I would agree with you
16:04
Speaker 1: in terms of of his legacy, I mean, Saban stands
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Speaker 1: apart from everybody, But I would say Urban and Uh,
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16:13
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16:19
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16:25
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16:27
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Speaker 1: College Game Day hosts joined us earlier today. This full
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Speaker 1: conversation will come up Monday on Jaguars dot Com and
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Speaker 1: Jack's social channels. So we appreciate Reese for his time,
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Speaker 1: and uh, well we'll get a little more into the
16:46
Speaker 1: conversation of Urban's legacy as a college head coach. And
16:50
Speaker 1: uh there's little conversation logs about a certain quarterback for
16:54
Speaker 1: a certain university in South Carolina, Trevor Lawrence. So plenty
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Speaker 1: of conversation with Reese coming up. He's been at this
17:02
Speaker 1: for a long time, so look for that coming up
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Speaker 1: early next week. Earlier this offseason, we had right after
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Speaker 1: the hiring of Urban Meyer, Um Kirk Herb Street. We're
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Speaker 1: just gonna go for the whole College Game Day crew logs.
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Speaker 1: Why not get them all on here? Why not? I
17:19
Speaker 1: mean JP, I mean, look, look, I think it's great
17:22
Speaker 1: and and and here's the thing, and everybody that you
17:25
Speaker 1: talked to when when you start talking about two people,
17:28
Speaker 1: which is Urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence, they have nothing
17:32
Speaker 1: but great things to say about them. As far as
17:36
Speaker 1: the quality of coach and the quality of where looking.
17:39
Speaker 1: And many people may like or not like certain personalities
17:42
Speaker 1: of one or the other, but the reality is is
17:45
Speaker 1: that if you're sitting there trying to evaluate Urban Meyer
17:47
Speaker 1: as a coach, there's no debate that he's one of
17:49
Speaker 1: the best football coaches that there is on the planet,
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Speaker 1: and that Trevor Lawrence is one of the best quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: that there is on the planet right now when it
17:58
Speaker 1: comes to college football. And I was sleep we gotta
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Speaker 1: wait and see how the transition goes to the National
18:03
Speaker 1: Football League level, but many people expect that to not
18:05
Speaker 1: to be a very difficult transition. So look, there's a
18:09
Speaker 1: lot of things to be excited about and a lot
18:12
Speaker 1: of reason to be excited, and and look, I'm right
18:15
Speaker 1: in that boat. You know, you've got a coach who's
18:17
Speaker 1: approven commodity. And this kind of reminds me going back
18:21
Speaker 1: to nine when Jimmy Johnson made the jump from the
18:24
Speaker 1: University of Miami to the Dallas Cowboys, and I was
18:27
Speaker 1: actually able to see some of that firsthand with Jimmy,
18:29
Speaker 1: because that was pretty cool. JP. When I was a
18:34
Speaker 1: senior and getting ready for the draft, I participated in
18:38
Speaker 1: a couple of All Star games, one of them being
18:39
Speaker 1: the Blue Gray which JP you know all about the
18:43
Speaker 1: Crampton Bowl in Montgomery. Yeah, absolutely, it was. Yeah, it
18:46
Speaker 1: wasn't exactly uh you know, uh posh or anything of
18:51
Speaker 1: that nature. I can say that, but it was good
18:55
Speaker 1: football and it was competitive and uh yeah, there wasn't
18:59
Speaker 1: a whole lot go on on and it was a
19:00
Speaker 1: Christmas Day thing, so it wasn't exactly where you wanted
19:04
Speaker 1: to be, but nonetheless it to look at the competition
19:06
Speaker 1: and when we played ball, let's go and so it
19:09
Speaker 1: was a great experience for me. But the East West
19:11
Speaker 1: Shrine Game was something that was really nice. You know,
19:13
Speaker 1: they took great care of us. It was a about
19:17
Speaker 1: ten steps up from a Blue Gray game. It was
19:20
Speaker 1: in Palo Alto, California, and it was almost dangerous because
19:25
Speaker 1: they gave us they had vehicles that were for the
19:29
Speaker 1: use of the players that came there. So we had
19:33
Speaker 1: about four or five of us of guys that were
19:36
Speaker 1: players and and we had a van and we end
19:39
Speaker 1: up going out quite a bit. And one of the
19:41
Speaker 1: coaches on our staff was Jimmy Johnson, and at this
19:44
Speaker 1: time Jimmy wasn't named as the head coach of the
19:48
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Yet he was still just one of the
19:50
Speaker 1: coaches on the staff of the of the East squad
19:54
Speaker 1: of the East West Shrine Game, and Mike Godfried was
19:56
Speaker 1: our head coach, and so got a chance to hang
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Speaker 1: out with Jimmy quite a bit, and he was relaxed,
20:03
Speaker 1: and nobody knew that he was gonna be taking the
20:05
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys job at that time, and maybe he knew that, No,
20:08
Speaker 1: we didn't know, and uh, and so it was cool
20:11
Speaker 1: to spend some time around him. And I've gotten to
20:12
Speaker 1: know Jimmy through the years, and he's an outstanding coach. No,
20:15
Speaker 1: a couple of guys and Daryl Johnson and Mark Stepanovski
20:18
Speaker 1: that played for him for a very long time and
20:20
Speaker 1: they had nothing but glowing things to say about him
20:23
Speaker 1: as far as him being a coach and getting a
20:24
Speaker 1: team to win. And so, I mean, some of those
20:26
Speaker 1: same things I think are the reason that people are
20:28
Speaker 1: excited about Urban Meyer and Jacksonville. You know, you've got
20:31
Speaker 1: a great situation. You're flush with draft picks. The Jimmy
20:34
Speaker 1: Johnson situation created it with the Herschel Walker trade. So
20:38
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a trade to get all the
20:40
Speaker 1: draft picks, as you've already got them, but but the
20:42
Speaker 1: excitement for the coach and also the expectations and the
20:46
Speaker 1: excitement for a quarterback coming in. You know, Troy Then
20:48
Speaker 1: coming in the Dallas Cowboys and here you got Trevor
20:51
Speaker 1: Lawrence coming into the Jacksonville Jaguars are expected to be
20:53
Speaker 1: coming in. You know, there's so many different parallels. It's
20:56
Speaker 1: gonna be excited, exciting to kind of watch the growth
20:59
Speaker 1: of the entire thing and eventually down the road and
21:02
Speaker 1: maybe hopefully draw comparisons of the two. It will be.
21:06
Speaker 1: You know, we were I was talking to Research Davis
21:09
Speaker 1: earlier today and it was we're going through some of
21:11
Speaker 1: the things, the choke that we were going through, some
21:16
Speaker 1: of the coaches that have gone from college to the NFL,
21:18
Speaker 1: and there's been some positives you mentioned Jimmy Johnson Switzer
21:21
Speaker 1: came in. It was kind of a already set up
21:23
Speaker 1: and ready, but he still had to go in the
21:25
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and he did that. Uh, Pete Carroll, your
21:28
Speaker 1: guy obviously had success. But then you can go the
21:30
Speaker 1: other way, right, Spurrier didn't last long, didn't work out well.
21:34
Speaker 1: Saban They won some games, but just not enough that
21:36
Speaker 1: they didn't have the right quarterback down there in Miami
21:38
Speaker 1: when he was there. The Alabama thing might not have
21:41
Speaker 1: ever happened if Drew Brees shows up in Miami. So,
21:44
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's kind of a feeling right now.
21:47
Speaker 1: There was an initial buzz nationally over the Urban Meyer hiring,
21:52
Speaker 1: but then I don't I don't feel that national buzz
21:56
Speaker 1: about Urban right now. I mean, maybe it's there's so
21:59
Speaker 1: much other stuff going on in the league right now,
22:00
Speaker 1: free agencies coming up. But I think maybe once they
22:03
Speaker 1: get back on the field again, maybe it'll hop back.
22:06
Speaker 1: And you know, the first week, if they they're winning
22:08
Speaker 1: football games, I think that will really shine again. Yeah,
22:13
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think the buzz has has
22:15
Speaker 1: subsided at all. JP. It's just that the conversation about
22:18
Speaker 1: the National Football League has almost taken a little bit
22:21
Speaker 1: of a break on most people's minds. And when the
22:24
Speaker 1: topic comes back to the National Football League, trust me,
22:27
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer and the Jacksonville Jaguars, they're gonna be right
22:29
Speaker 1: back at the top of that conversation. And you know,
22:32
Speaker 1: and it's interesting, you know, you you brought up some
22:33
Speaker 1: guys that some have made great, successful transitions from college
22:38
Speaker 1: to pros. Some that haven't made successful transitions from the
22:41
Speaker 1: college to pros. And you brought up Pete Carroll, and
22:44
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll looked. The reality is that Pete Carroll uh
22:47
Speaker 1: started at the University of Pacific and then he was
22:50
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator when I was with the Jets back
22:52
Speaker 1: in the early days. Eventually he was the head coach
22:54
Speaker 1: and was not successful with the Jets, and then eventually
22:58
Speaker 1: he leaves there, and then he goes the Page Rates
23:00
Speaker 1: and he wasn't successful there. He goes to USC and
23:03
Speaker 1: he was incredibly successful there, and obviously you have the
23:07
Speaker 1: ability to recruit and so it's not a level playing
23:09
Speaker 1: field of college football. Well, then he goes to Seattle
23:12
Speaker 1: and he's kind of average, and then all of a
23:14
Speaker 1: sudden he gets quarterback in Russell Wilson and then he
23:17
Speaker 1: wins the Super Bowl. You know Bill Belichick, I mean,
23:19
Speaker 1: you could look Bill Belichick the same thing, longtime coach
23:22
Speaker 1: of Cleveland Browns. Didn't really have a great quarterback with Cleveland,
23:26
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he gets Tom Brady,
23:27
Speaker 1: which is many people considered the goat, and then he
23:30
Speaker 1: just starts winning super Bowl after super Bowl after super
23:33
Speaker 1: Bowl and who who what? What? What quarterback did Nick
23:36
Speaker 1: Saban have? I mean Nick Saban had Dan Reno, but
23:38
Speaker 1: it was Dan Reno at the end of his reign
23:40
Speaker 1: and there was absolutely no other help on that roster
23:43
Speaker 1: for Nick Saban to win with. So, uh, look, Howard Snellenberg.
23:47
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of college coaches that may transition,
23:50
Speaker 1: and the one important factor for all of these guys
23:53
Speaker 1: that make them the move from college that pros that
23:55
Speaker 1: you've got to have a quarterback. And I always say
23:58
Speaker 1: this when you start talking about coaching, and I understand
24:00
Speaker 1: that coaching matters, but also the other part of that
24:03
Speaker 1: reality is if you look at all the Hall of
24:05
Speaker 1: Fame coaches that exist in the in the in the
24:08
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame, how many coaches are in
24:11
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame that don't have a
24:13
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback? There's not many come hand in hand, now,
24:17
Speaker 1: there's really there's not many. I mean Joe Gibbs, I mean,
24:20
Speaker 1: because Joe Gibbs one with three different with with Doug
24:23
Speaker 1: Williams and Joe Thiesman and Jay Schrader, you know so,
24:27
Speaker 1: But I mean the rest of the coaches. I mean,
24:29
Speaker 1: you're talking about guys that had Hall of Fame quarterbacks
24:32
Speaker 1: to help them win Super Bowls. And so with irban Meyer. Look,
24:38
Speaker 1: urban Meyer is no dummy, and herban Meyer knows that
24:40
Speaker 1: if you're gonna win in the National Football League. And
24:42
Speaker 1: he said it in one of his interviews, and he
24:44
Speaker 1: talks about football being a quarterback sport, and he emphasized
24:49
Speaker 1: that it wasn't just about being at the National Football
24:51
Speaker 1: League level. He essentially said that it means and everything
24:55
Speaker 1: and it's important for everything at every level of football,
24:58
Speaker 1: from Pewhee to high school, lunge two pros. And he
25:02
Speaker 1: hit it right on the head there. I've got to
25:03
Speaker 1: correct you on one note though, Um you mentioned what
25:07
Speaker 1: say but at Miami you said Marino. Marino was done
25:10
Speaker 1: in Remember the Jags beat him in the playoff game.
25:14
Speaker 1: That was his final game. He retired at that point.
25:17
Speaker 1: Saban got there in oh five, and his quarterbacks the
25:20
Speaker 1: first year we're gust Farott and Sades rosen Fells. And
25:25
Speaker 1: then in two thousand and six the quarterbacks in Miami
25:29
Speaker 1: were Joey Harrington and Cleo Lemon Boy some real right,
25:37
Speaker 1: who was the uh? Who was the coach for Dan
25:41
Speaker 1: Reno's last year, for my Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson, Actually
25:46
Speaker 1: I got confused. I'm sorry. I knew it was a
25:48
Speaker 1: former college coach. But I mean, even the great Jimmy Johnson,
25:52
Speaker 1: great of a coach is he is, he has Dan
25:54
Speaker 1: Marino and he but still he doesn't win. So but
25:56
Speaker 1: Nick Saban had no chance with those quarterbacks JP, no chance.
26:00
Speaker 1: They've gotten breeze maybe, and they were close to getting them.
26:03
Speaker 1: They just didn't work out down there and the rest. Hey, look,
26:07
Speaker 1: if I had those quarterbacks, man, I would be I
26:09
Speaker 1: would be turning around and running back to college football
26:13
Speaker 1: at the speed of light. Get out of here quick,
26:17
Speaker 1: because you know what when I get when I get
26:19
Speaker 1: back to college football, JP, Okay, I'm gonna go recruit
26:22
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the country. Okay, done work that
26:26
Speaker 1: way in the National Football League. You know, you keep
26:28
Speaker 1: you keep swinging and keep trying to get your guy. Okay,
26:31
Speaker 1: but you're not guaranteed of getting that guy in college football.
26:33
Speaker 1: Guess what if you're Nick Saban, If you walk into
26:36
Speaker 1: this young man's house over here, and you say, hey, man,
26:39
Speaker 1: I'm Nick Saban, and I'm gonna win at the University
26:41
Speaker 1: of Alabama. That young man who might be the best
26:44
Speaker 1: quarterback in the country. Guess what, you ain't gonna hope
26:46
Speaker 1: you can get him in the draft. All you gotta
26:48
Speaker 1: do is convincing. Come on over here, young man, You're
26:51
Speaker 1: gonna win with me. And that's the difference between the
26:53
Speaker 1: pro game and the college game. Plenty ahead, we'll come
26:56
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26:59
Speaker 1: touch on a couple of pending free agents that play
27:04
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27:08
Speaker 1: is loved for years in this division. Could he be available?
27:12
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27:16
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27:20
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on on the podcast world
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Speaker 1: a good thing, and it will only grow once we
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Speaker 1: get closer to the NFL Draft in the next two months,
32:35
Speaker 1: will be a lot more content to put out their logs. Well, JP,
32:41
Speaker 1: I can honestly say that I'm I'm a big fan
32:44
Speaker 1: of you, like anything that you do. Yeah, I'm I'm
32:49
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I'm a subscriber, I'm a fan, and
32:53
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm a big JP shadrack. How about that.
32:57
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. That's not what I was going for.
32:59
Speaker 1: There It okay, I'll take it, Thank you me. And
33:02
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to tell the truth. I mean, look,
33:05
Speaker 1: here's a thing, you know. I mean, with the phones
33:07
Speaker 1: that we have nowadays, I mean, look, you've got no
33:10
Speaker 1: excuse to not be up to date on everything that
33:13
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are going through. JP s. It's not me,
33:16
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's the whole team, team effort, team effort,
33:21
Speaker 1: And we have a plenty of different shows on this,
33:24
Speaker 1: on this website and on the podcast network. You can
33:26
Speaker 1: check it out. Hey, let's um, let's shift gears quickly
33:30
Speaker 1: here tight ends in free agency. You know, we've we've
33:34
Speaker 1: touched on that position group over and over and over again.
33:38
Speaker 1: How it's been such an issue around here to not
33:40
Speaker 1: have anybody really stick. I mean, they've gone through the
33:44
Speaker 1: Julius Thomas, the Austin Seferian Jenkins of the world, Tyler
33:48
Speaker 1: Effort most recently, and none of them really quite have
33:53
Speaker 1: worked out as anticipated. It tied end. They've tried to
33:56
Speaker 1: draft and that hasn't worked out. Josh Oliver's been banged up,
34:01
Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to play. So now it's you know,
34:04
Speaker 1: at some point you gotta figure this thing out. And
34:06
Speaker 1: and Bucky made a pretty good point the other other
34:08
Speaker 1: week on the Huddle Up podcast, Bucky Brooks, and you know,
34:14
Speaker 1: having tight ends is great, but you have to have
34:17
Speaker 1: a history and a way to use the tight ends effectively.
34:20
Speaker 1: And I think the match of that do And can
34:25
Speaker 1: leave leave the graphic up for a minute because because
34:30
Speaker 1: I want to go through some of these guys here
34:32
Speaker 1: real quick, because I got a thought on each one
34:35
Speaker 1: of them. Tyler Davis was a draft pick last year
34:38
Speaker 1: that disappointed big time and uh, and so his opportunity
34:44
Speaker 1: to make the roster this year I think is a doubt.
34:46
Speaker 1: Tyler Eifer, as a veteran guy. You know, he was okay,
34:49
Speaker 1: but I mean the reality is that you're not paying
34:51
Speaker 1: for what you're getting. You need to go get somebody
34:53
Speaker 1: that's that's young, that's got speed, that can threaten the
34:56
Speaker 1: middle and threatened the deep part of the field. Ben
34:59
Speaker 1: Ellison is a guy that I like. I think he's
35:02
Speaker 1: got a real chance. I think he's much better than
35:05
Speaker 1: Tyler Davis. All you have to do is look at
35:06
Speaker 1: how many times that Ellison was active compared to Tyler Davis.
35:10
Speaker 1: Last year, James of Shaughnessy was essentially playing on one leg.
35:14
Speaker 1: Eric Salbert was kind of an afterthought because they weren't
35:18
Speaker 1: getting anything out of Tyler Davis. And they bring Salbert in,
35:21
Speaker 1: who had been around a little bit, and he becomes
35:24
Speaker 1: kind of on the line type of tight end. And
35:26
Speaker 1: Josh Oliver is very intriguing because you know, what can
35:28
Speaker 1: he do? We don't know. I mean, he's like the
35:31
Speaker 1: Christmas present that you keep forgetting about every year and
35:33
Speaker 1: it gets left in the back of the behind the
35:35
Speaker 1: tree and everybody forgets about it, and then you're like, well,
35:38
Speaker 1: let's just save it for next year. We'll open it
35:40
Speaker 1: up next year. Well, then next year rolls around and
35:42
Speaker 1: gets forgot forgotten about it behind the tree again and uh.
35:45
Speaker 1: And the reason why it's because he's been hurt. And
35:48
Speaker 1: that's not good. I mean, here's the reality. If you've
35:51
Speaker 1: been playing the National Football League, the first and most
35:53
Speaker 1: important thing is availability. It's not about your ability, it's
35:58
Speaker 1: about availability again and and so hopefully he can get
36:02
Speaker 1: on the field this year and stay healthy. But look,
36:04
Speaker 1: ye gotta go find your guy. And when I say
36:07
Speaker 1: find your guy, you need to find somebody that can
36:09
Speaker 1: threaten the field, that has speed, that has quickness, that
36:13
Speaker 1: is going to provide a comfort level for a young quarterback.
36:16
Speaker 1: I love John Smith of the Tennessee Titans, and I've
36:19
Speaker 1: made that known many times before. And I think he
36:21
Speaker 1: will be available. The Tennessee Titans are going to have
36:26
Speaker 1: some cap issues and so he's expected to be on
36:29
Speaker 1: the market now. Last year he had a somewhat of
36:31
Speaker 1: an injury played year, had some knee issues and was
36:35
Speaker 1: active for about fourteen games. But I think a lot
36:38
Speaker 1: of the games that he was active, he just wasn't
36:39
Speaker 1: very effective because of the injuries. But when he is
36:43
Speaker 1: on his game, John new Smith, I think is he's
36:47
Speaker 1: not at that top tier. But I think he's a
36:50
Speaker 1: he's a notch below and looking if you can get
36:52
Speaker 1: a notch below that top tier of the guy who's
36:54
Speaker 1: in Kansas City and the guy that's in San Francisco,
36:57
Speaker 1: you don't take that any day of the week. And
36:59
Speaker 1: what I like about John and Smith he is competitive
37:02
Speaker 1: as the day is long. He is a good willing blocker.
37:07
Speaker 1: He's got quickness and he's got the ability to do
37:10
Speaker 1: things after the catch, and that's what you want with
37:13
Speaker 1: the tight end. So I think you gotta take a
37:14
Speaker 1: strong look at him. Here here's the other thing. Delaney Walker,
37:18
Speaker 1: who was a long time Tennessee Titan, is a guy
37:22
Speaker 1: that uh that wants to get back into the game.
37:24
Speaker 1: He sat last year out and there would be little
37:27
Speaker 1: to no risk with a guy like the lady Walker.
37:29
Speaker 1: So do you take a chance on him. When I
37:31
Speaker 1: say a chance, you're not taking a financial chance because
37:33
Speaker 1: I think it would be a minimum guy. But do
37:36
Speaker 1: you take take a little flyer on him and see
37:38
Speaker 1: if he's got anything left them tank Because the last
37:40
Speaker 1: time we saw Delaney Walker before he got hurt j P,
37:43
Speaker 1: he was pretty good. Yeah, he's he's towards this organization
37:47
Speaker 1: before he is thirty six years old bugs, but veteran minimum.
37:51
Speaker 1: Why not? Right? Let me look, look, I mean there's
37:55
Speaker 1: there's Look at Gronk man. I mean, Gronk goes and
37:58
Speaker 1: retires and comes back and he ends up doing some
38:00
Speaker 1: great things this past year for Tampa Bay. Uh. The
38:06
Speaker 1: tight end that played UH for the Dallas Cowboys. You
38:10
Speaker 1: know what was his name? J C. Witten? Witten? I
38:15
Speaker 1: mean he played forever for the Dallas Cowboys, and he
38:18
Speaker 1: slows molasses. He goes and he and he goes the
38:20
Speaker 1: Monday night booth and he and he becomes a not
38:23
Speaker 1: very good in the broadcast booth. He goes back into
38:26
Speaker 1: football and he's still playing good ball. I mean, so look,
38:30
Speaker 1: I mean thirty six. I mean, if anybody can do it,
38:35
Speaker 1: it's a Delanney Walker. Because, like I said, the last
38:37
Speaker 1: time that I saw Delaney Walker play football, he was
38:40
Speaker 1: still pretty good and still a Pro Bowl type level player.
38:44
Speaker 1: But he had an injury. So where is he at
38:46
Speaker 1: with that injury? I'd like to find out Hunter Henry
38:49
Speaker 1: could come free as well. Chargers tight end who you know,
38:54
Speaker 1: let's the last season, fourteen games, UH sixty catches six
39:00
Speaker 1: in her thirteen yards. He's been over six hundred yards
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Speaker 1: the last two years, four touchdowns last season. He's a
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Speaker 1: guy that's put up numbers. Yeah. Look, I mean he's
39:10
Speaker 1: a he's a guy that could that could do some
39:13
Speaker 1: good things. I mean for me, though, um, John and Smith,
39:17
Speaker 1: I think he's got more juice, you know what I mean.
39:19
Speaker 1: I mean that juice to where you're talking about when
39:23
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator sits there and goes, what are we
39:25
Speaker 1: gonna do on the tight end? How do we treat him?
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Speaker 1: Do we treat him as a receiver? Do we treat
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Speaker 1: him as a tight end? Do we treat him as
39:33
Speaker 1: a blocker? I mean, those are the guys you want it.
39:37
Speaker 1: Does Hunter Henry do that for you? Do they? Does
39:40
Speaker 1: he strike fear? How many touchdowns that Hunter Henry have
39:43
Speaker 1: last year? JP without sixty some oddcast four? Okay, John
39:48
Speaker 1: and Smith had eight and he only had like forty
39:51
Speaker 1: catches last year in limited action with injury. For me,
39:55
Speaker 1: I'm taking John and Smith ahead of a Hunter Henry
39:58
Speaker 1: even though he was got some injury issue. If he's
40:00
Speaker 1: if he's all clear on all that, I'm taking jonas
40:02
Speaker 1: set all right. There you have it. We're pretty clear
40:05
Speaker 1: on what logs wants to do it tight end and
40:08
Speaker 1: it's John ou Smith. We'll see if he's free first
40:11
Speaker 1: and if the Jaguars make a move to go try
40:15
Speaker 1: to get him in the first week or so of
40:17
Speaker 1: free agency. Let's come back in a moment. Trevor Lawrence's
40:20
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40:24
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40:30
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40:33
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Speaker 1: is the topic of the week, So that will come
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Speaker 1: out early next week. My apologies to Ozone I'm sure
45:05
Speaker 1: since he's like, I love Ozone. I'm just kidding. I'm
45:09
Speaker 1: just I'm just kidding. Is uh I can tell I
45:14
Speaker 1: will say this, Um, John is Johnny go Zone whatever
45:19
Speaker 1: you wanna call, one of the most talented writers that
45:23
Speaker 1: there is in a national football league. I think that
45:25
Speaker 1: Jackson was very fortunate to have him. And I'm being
45:27
Speaker 1: serious about this because I'll give you an example. The
45:31
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Cults, and since I've been doing the broadcasting of
45:34
Speaker 1: the football games, which you know, if you go back
45:36
Speaker 1: to doing uh television, which you go all the way
45:40
Speaker 1: back to gosh, my first year going that was UH
45:45
Speaker 1: nine with Fox and then eventually with radio, starting with
45:49
Speaker 1: the Jaguars and oh three, whenever I did an Indianapolis
45:53
Speaker 1: Cults game, the Cults PR department, I mean it was terrible,
45:59
Speaker 1: terrible When I say that they you know, because it
46:03
Speaker 1: was the Peyton Manning era. So you would open up
46:05
Speaker 1: the public relations guide and the weekly release and it
46:09
Speaker 1: was just all the statistical information and You're like, look, dude,
46:13
Speaker 1: I don't have time. This is not a statistician broadcast.
46:18
Speaker 1: I don't have time to go through fifty pages of
46:21
Speaker 1: how great Payton Manning is just in the numbers. Just
46:24
Speaker 1: give me the cliff Notes version, give me a summary,
46:27
Speaker 1: give me bullet points, give me information. And the Colts
46:31
Speaker 1: never gave that to you. So you know what I did.
46:34
Speaker 1: At the time Johnny had already left Jacksonville and then
46:38
Speaker 1: he was actually writing for Colts dot com. I would
46:41
Speaker 1: get all of my little tidbits and nuggets of information
46:45
Speaker 1: that would would help our broadcast from John Oshan's writing
46:49
Speaker 1: on Colts dot com and then wherever he was at
46:52
Speaker 1: because there was a period of time that he wasn't
46:54
Speaker 1: but he was still covering the team. That's how good
46:56
Speaker 1: of a writer John oshres. He never missed anything when
46:59
Speaker 1: it came into the Colts and I relied on him
47:02
Speaker 1: to get my cults information. So just then, that's the
47:05
Speaker 1: god's honest truth. I'm not trying to say that to
47:08
Speaker 1: pump up Johnny. O'sher trust me. Well, I'll say this
47:11
Speaker 1: that you mentioned it was the Peyton Manning era, but
47:13
Speaker 1: it was the reason why there was no information coming
47:16
Speaker 1: out officially through the Colts PR department because it was
47:19
Speaker 1: the Bill Polian era as well. And that was no, no, no, no,
47:23
Speaker 1: no no. Look look, look, you had Marvin Harrison, Reggie,
47:27
Speaker 1: Wayne Peyton, Manning, the two pass rushers Freeney and mathis
47:34
Speaker 1: when you had hall of fame type guys, okay, And
47:39
Speaker 1: so when you have hall of fame type guys, you
47:42
Speaker 1: don't have to sit there and list every single catch
47:45
Speaker 1: that they've ever had in their career. Give them five
47:49
Speaker 1: key things to talk about in a broadcast about each guy.
47:53
Speaker 1: They may not use all five, but the real key
47:55
Speaker 1: to a public relations department and is focusing in the
47:59
Speaker 1: narrative of on certain guys. Give them the important, give
48:03
Speaker 1: them the nuggets, give them the nugget that they're gonna
48:05
Speaker 1: use and make it easy for them in a broadcast.
48:08
Speaker 1: And the CULTPRD staff, for whatever reason during that time
48:11
Speaker 1: period they didn't get it. And uh and Dan Edward's
48:14
Speaker 1: son is now working for the cold PR department. So
48:17
Speaker 1: I think things are gonna change. I think I think
48:20
Speaker 1: so too. Let's move along here to the quarterback prospect list.
48:24
Speaker 1: You know, this is the time of year. Trevor Lawrence
48:26
Speaker 1: has been for three years haralded as the one at
48:31
Speaker 1: some point the number one overall pick and the best
48:33
Speaker 1: quarterback in college football and all these things. But as
48:36
Speaker 1: expected hashtag as expected you know, it's about this time
48:41
Speaker 1: before the draft, two months out people start putting these
48:43
Speaker 1: lists out, looking at more tape. Oh we found this guy.
48:47
Speaker 1: And now these lists start to change a little bit.
48:49
Speaker 1: Chris Sims, when we're NFL Quarterback now with the Pro
48:52
Speaker 1: Football Talk, put his newest quarterback ranking list out and
48:58
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence was not number one. Zack Wilson has moved
49:01
Speaker 1: to the top of his quarterback list, and he went
49:04
Speaker 1: through along reasoning why earlier this week on Pro Football Talk.
49:09
Speaker 1: But that's kind of this is that timeframe when people
49:13
Speaker 1: look at maybe some reasons why you shouldn't pick a
49:16
Speaker 1: guy over another and list change and you find tell me,
49:21
Speaker 1: tell me the big reason why Chris Simms thought that
49:24
Speaker 1: he should be over trebled on Basically it was complete package,
49:30
Speaker 1: can make the big time throws. He has the mindset of, um,
49:36
Speaker 1: you know, he actually dropped names like Aaron Rodgers and
49:41
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. He has that type of arm ability. Said so,
49:48
Speaker 1: so Chris Sims is now Sigmund Freud. I don't know,
49:51
Speaker 1: he's digging into the mind quarterback. It's funny though, Like
49:56
Speaker 1: the reaction to these is what cracks me up. Is
49:58
Speaker 1: like people freak out out over this. It's not I'll say,
50:03
Speaker 1: is that the Jets are gonna get a really good
50:05
Speaker 1: quarterback and maybe uh it kind of just makes me
50:11
Speaker 1: laugh though, because the former senior editor of Jaguars dot Com,
50:16
Speaker 1: Vic Keshman, used to kind of laugh and because he
50:20
Speaker 1: would talk to scouts or he would talk to the
50:23
Speaker 1: talent evaluators and and they would give Vic, you know,
50:27
Speaker 1: his their opinion on a certain guy. And they tell
50:32
Speaker 1: Vic and and they look at him, go the look
50:35
Speaker 1: in his eye just tell him by the look in
50:38
Speaker 1: his eye that this guy can play. You know, It's
50:42
Speaker 1: like put you some kind of uh you know, secret
50:49
Speaker 1: uh abilities to be able to look into a guy's
50:53
Speaker 1: soul and the crystal ball of his future and to
50:55
Speaker 1: see what he's gonna be. H. But look look at
50:59
Speaker 1: christens Is in title to his opinion, and there's a
51:02
Speaker 1: lot of really good quarterbacks. But when you look at
51:04
Speaker 1: the traits that he talked about that put the young
51:07
Speaker 1: man ahead of Trevor Lawrence. The reality is that Trevor
51:10
Speaker 1: Lawrence does all those things. But then Trevor Lawrence has
51:13
Speaker 1: also done it on the national stage, and he's also
51:17
Speaker 1: done it everywhere and at every level he's ever been.
51:20
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, he has better physical attributes
51:24
Speaker 1: to play the position at the National Football League level.
51:26
Speaker 1: He's got better sight lines because he's got more height,
51:29
Speaker 1: he's got the size, he's got the athleticism, he's got
51:32
Speaker 1: everything that you want. So I'm not trying to completely,
51:36
Speaker 1: you know, to say that Chris Simms is full of it.
51:39
Speaker 1: But uh, I think Chris Sims needs to maybe go
51:42
Speaker 1: back and reanalyze the tape a little bit, because I've
51:45
Speaker 1: watched the tape and there's no way. Pete Friscoe always says,
51:49
Speaker 1: everyone's entitled to their own wrong opinion. Let's go around
51:53
Speaker 1: the National Football League and start off with the schedule release,
51:57
Speaker 1: and Ben Fisher Sports Business Journal said the NFL says
52:01
Speaker 1: that it's currently targeting the second week of May for
52:04
Speaker 1: the schedule release. Historically, Loggs the release has come before
52:08
Speaker 1: the draft most years, and then last year, of course,
52:11
Speaker 1: it was pushed back into early May, and it could
52:14
Speaker 1: be even deeper. And the reasoning it's because the talk
52:17
Speaker 1: of the seventeen game schedule that could be coming after
52:21
Speaker 1: NFL owners meetings at the end of March and the
52:24
Speaker 1: television deals. All that combined could push that announcement back,
52:28
Speaker 1: and that's a that's a big offseason mile post to
52:32
Speaker 1: really get people fired up for the season ahead. Well,
52:37
Speaker 1: that would be a lot to do in one off
52:38
Speaker 1: season to be able to negotiate new TV deals, to
52:42
Speaker 1: expand the season to seventeen games, and also do it,
52:47
Speaker 1: by the way, we still have a global pandemic going on.
52:51
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be a lot to be able
52:52
Speaker 1: to accomplish. But I think the league needs to focus
52:57
Speaker 1: in on for this year. This is just my opinion.
53:00
Speaker 1: They need to focus in on sixteen games for this year,
53:04
Speaker 1: make that the focus, and worry about getting things more
53:08
Speaker 1: back to normal with the COVID situation. Before you say, okay,
53:11
Speaker 1: let's just go to seventeen games and look, I understand
53:14
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of money at stay okay and
53:18
Speaker 1: totally get it, and that's not gonna go away in
53:21
Speaker 1: the future. Though you still have the ability to to
53:24
Speaker 1: get to seventeen games. I think you've got to find
53:26
Speaker 1: a way to get more normalcy for your season this
53:30
Speaker 1: year with sixteen games to where you're starting to find
53:33
Speaker 1: a way to bring fans back and etcetera, etcetera. Before
53:37
Speaker 1: you start saying Holy let's go ahead and add seventeen games,
53:40
Speaker 1: you know, But the amount of money that they're talking about,
53:43
Speaker 1: I think with the networks obviously entails. And the reason
53:46
Speaker 1: for some of the sizeable increases in the money is
53:49
Speaker 1: to I think in a large part of them talking
53:51
Speaker 1: about seventeen games. And so at some point you've got
53:54
Speaker 1: to go ahead and stop talking about and then do it,
53:56
Speaker 1: and then then commit yourself to that, and then you
53:58
Speaker 1: make a lot more money. I get it. But I
54:00
Speaker 1: think this year, I think you have to commit to
54:02
Speaker 1: getting back to more normalcy with sixteen games and still
54:06
Speaker 1: dealing with a global pandemic before you're worrying about adding
54:09
Speaker 1: the seventeenth game. That's just my opinion. Well, we we
54:13
Speaker 1: all know this next player has never met a microphone
54:16
Speaker 1: he doesn't like, and he's using one lately. Jalen Ramsey,
54:20
Speaker 1: rams cornerback, is in the media again this week. He
54:23
Speaker 1: says Deshaun Watson is quote extremely serious about not playing
54:28
Speaker 1: for the Texans again. That was on the Huddle and
54:30
Speaker 1: Flow podcast this week. Of course, Ramsey and Watson had
54:34
Speaker 1: the same agent. There's a notorious picture. Not notorious there's
54:37
Speaker 1: a photo of all three of them together that Jags fans,
54:41
Speaker 1: some of them I think is uh kind of rubbed
54:44
Speaker 1: them the wrong way when Jalen was um still with
54:47
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Of course he was photographed with the Texans quarterback.
54:51
Speaker 1: I think that was during the season. Come to think
54:52
Speaker 1: of it, it it might have been during the back injuryissue.
54:55
Speaker 1: All of that combined, So m are correct on all
55:00
Speaker 1: of that. So Watson it is extremely serious apparently about
55:05
Speaker 1: not playing for the Texans again. How about that? Are
55:09
Speaker 1: you surprised? What what is is? Is Jalen Ramsey breaking news? There? No?
55:14
Speaker 1: You know? So look, I mean I think everybody knew
55:19
Speaker 1: that Deshaun Watson was very serious. And uh, you're gonna
55:24
Speaker 1: find out how serious he is when he starts to
55:27
Speaker 1: put his paychecks at risk by not playing for the
55:31
Speaker 1: Houston Texans. And will it get to that point, I
55:33
Speaker 1: don't know. But if you want to find out how
55:36
Speaker 1: serious that Deshaun Watson is, and if the Texans truly
55:40
Speaker 1: want to find out how serious Deshaun Watson is, see
55:44
Speaker 1: if he will forego millions of dollars to not play
55:47
Speaker 1: for you. That's the way you're gonna find out how
55:50
Speaker 1: serious he is. And uh, and I just I know this.
55:55
Speaker 1: I would have a hard time, you know, passing up fifteen, sixteen, eighteen,
56:00
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars or whatever he would consider losing this
56:03
Speaker 1: year if he doesn't play, and it might even be
56:05
Speaker 1: more than that. I don't know. You'll never get it
56:07
Speaker 1: back once you don't get it to begin with that. Hey, Uh,
56:10
Speaker 1: And I ask you Unique and Gockway if if you
56:13
Speaker 1: if you get that money back. And Gockway turned down
56:16
Speaker 1: a pretty sizeable deal by the Jaguars a couple of
56:19
Speaker 1: years ago, and uh, and he's not going to see
56:22
Speaker 1: that again, you know. And right now, I think that
56:25
Speaker 1: if he could, if he could go back in time
56:27
Speaker 1: and revise his personal history, I think he might take
56:31
Speaker 1: that deal. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, but from
56:33
Speaker 1: a financial standpoint, he would have done much better by
56:36
Speaker 1: taking the Jaguars deal at that time. An update on
56:39
Speaker 1: the Ben Roethlisberger situation in Pittsburgh. Adam Schefter reporting today
56:43
Speaker 1: that Big Ben agreed to take a five million dollar
56:46
Speaker 1: pay cut in the final year of his contract this
56:49
Speaker 1: season and spreads his cash pay out into the two
56:52
Speaker 1: season lord the capit by fifteen million, and then well,
56:56
Speaker 1: the capit was going to be forty one million in
56:59
Speaker 1: chain lugs, so they needed a little space to get
57:02
Speaker 1: some things done, and he will be the quarterback of
57:05
Speaker 1: the Steelers this year. So in other words, he took
57:10
Speaker 1: a pay cut and then they tacked how many years
57:12
Speaker 1: onto the contract? The lower's great question. Great question, because
57:17
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's I mean, that's the only way
57:19
Speaker 1: to see that. That was the tricky part about Ben
57:21
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger that made at such a difficult situation for both
57:25
Speaker 1: Ben and the Pittsburgh Steelers, because you couldn't just say, oh,
57:29
Speaker 1: we're gonna get last Ben to take a pay cut,
57:32
Speaker 1: because even if he just took a pay cut, he's
57:34
Speaker 1: the amount of money that that was still going to
57:37
Speaker 1: be applied to the cap. In other words, you needed
57:39
Speaker 1: to try to find a way to add years to
57:42
Speaker 1: the current contract that he had to be able to
57:45
Speaker 1: lessen the hit for this year. And essentially, what you're doing,
57:51
Speaker 1: unless Ben plays in the future for extremely cheap you're
57:54
Speaker 1: still continuing to kick the can down the road, so
57:56
Speaker 1: to speak, on dealing with the salary cat f issue
57:59
Speaker 1: of Ben roethl Sburger. But here here's the one thing.
58:02
Speaker 1: I'm glad that he's back, because Ben Roethlisberger is part
58:05
Speaker 1: of He is the Pittsburgh Steelers in my mind, and
58:08
Speaker 1: that's an organization I think is gonna it's gonna undergo
58:11
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of change this offseason. It's gonna look
58:14
Speaker 1: a little different next year. But look, I mean when
58:17
Speaker 1: you watch football sometimes he just you know, certain guys
58:20
Speaker 1: are what football is about. I mean, Ben is the
58:24
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. For many years, Tom Brady was the New
58:26
Speaker 1: England Patriots, and this year it was very different than
58:29
Speaker 1: he wasn't Drew Brees is the New Orleans Saints. Will
58:32
Speaker 1: he be back? I don't know, you know, so, I
58:34
Speaker 1: mean there's certain things that are very comforting and football
58:37
Speaker 1: to have your favorite player or one of your more
58:40
Speaker 1: likable players to stay with their team. So I'm glad
58:42
Speaker 1: that that happened. All Right, We've made it to the
58:46
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58:49
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