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Brad Jacobs: Franchise NZ Chairman and Coffee Club Director on the proposed trespass rules · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: The government's given businesses the power to trespass people from
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  Speaker 1: multiple locations. It's also raised the maximum trespass period from
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  Speaker 1: two years up to three. Brad Jacobs is a franchise
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  Speaker 1: and News Inland chairperson and coffee club co owner with
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  Speaker 1: us this morning. Hey Brad, good morning, Ryan, good morning.
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  Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. You like the
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  Speaker 1: sound of this. Is it going to make a difference?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly will. Obviously. One of the challenges I
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  Speaker 2: guess for franchise groups at the moment is that franchise
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  Speaker 2: businesses are all individually owned, as you know, so there
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  Speaker 2: would be no way at the moment for a group
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  Speaker 2: to be able to trespass someone from multiple locations in
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  Speaker 2: one go. So it would come back to repetition and
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  Speaker 2: multiple franchise's doing the same work over and over again
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  Speaker 2: to be able to achieve the same outcome.
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  Speaker 1: So basically, now, if somebody offends against one franchise franchise e,
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  Speaker 1: then they've sinned against all of them.
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  Speaker 2: That's my understanding of what they're proposing. Yes, so obviously
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  Speaker 2: we haven't seen an exact bill yet or the legislation,
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  Speaker 2: but that's how I understand it.
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  Speaker 1: What about the fine that increasing the maximum fine for
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  Speaker 1: anyone refusing to give their name and address when requested
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  Speaker 1: or giving false information from five hundred dollars to one
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Is that are they saying that's your responsibility
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  Speaker 1: or is that if police are there? What's the story there?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Good question. Look, I guess the fines in my view,
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  Speaker 2: remain relatively low, so I'm not sure that they're a
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  Speaker 2: massive deterreent to be honest, While it sounds good, So
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  Speaker 2: they're doubling, they're doubling not necessarily small base. I guess
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  Speaker 2: the key is, yes, you need to be able to
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  Speaker 2: at the moment, you need to be able to have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of details of the person to be able
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  Speaker 2: to actually issue a trespass notice. But again, my uner
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  Speaker 2: standing is that they're working on ways to be able
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  Speaker 2: to reduce that so that if someone does refuse to
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  Speaker 2: give their details, or you may know them by a
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  Speaker 2: common name which may not actually be their legal name,
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  Speaker 2: that there could be ways to be able to still
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  Speaker 2: issue a trespass notice even with that information.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think the fines should be, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if doubling from five hundred one thousand or what ever,
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  Speaker 1: as not the go what should they.
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  Speaker 2: Be I think probably Unfortunately, for some of those repeat offenders,
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  Speaker 2: it wouldn't matter whether it was one thousand, five thousand,
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  Speaker 2: or ten thousand. I'm not sure that they're in a
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  Speaker 2: position to make payment anyway, So I don't know. Doubling
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  Speaker 2: it is certainly a good start, but I don't think
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  Speaker 2: there are massive to terrent.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, in your coffee shop, do you get much abuse
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  Speaker 1: going on because I'm assuming most of the people who
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  Speaker 1: are wanting to steal stuff or going to supermarkets or
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  Speaker 1: to retail stores rather than to a cafe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it'd be our retail members that struggle
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  Speaker 2: more my own personal business. Yes, cafes, we don't have
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  Speaker 2: to trespass people that often in our cafes. No, Fortunately,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a huge problem for us. We certainly, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: our team members do get treated unfairly regularly in the cafes.
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  Speaker 2: People get a bit grumpy, but it's not to the
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  Speaker 2: point where you would you'd need to remove someone. In
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  Speaker 2: the CBD, we have four cafe in the CBD, they
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  Speaker 2: do have to face a lot with unfortunately, people on
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  Speaker 2: the streets, homeless people and people with some mental health issues.
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  Speaker 2: Trespassing them sometimes is really just a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: waste of time because unfortunately they don't have anywhere else
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  Speaker 2: to go and so they reappear or they move from
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  Speaker 2: one corner of the city to another. So yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: can be very challenging for our French as these in
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  Speaker 2: the CBD and Auckland in particular.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting Brad, Thank you. Brad Jacobs Franchise New Zealand chairperson,
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  Speaker 1: also co owner of a coffee club.
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