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Random Heathen Ramblings: S3, EP22 - Oathing With Non-Heathens · Random Heathen Ramblings

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All right, everybody. Calm down.
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Everybody sit down, everybody. Get settled in Hale and welcome
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back to the random human remains podcast and good to see you all
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again. Good to be back, my name is
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Jessie. You heard about all that here,
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we are again, doing the thing, doing multiple things, I'm in a
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different, you know, Ensemble today.
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For all of my viewers, for all of the folks that absorb this
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podcast on the, on the respective video platforms such
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as YouTube and Spotify, I am not in my normal attire, but that is
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because I just didn't feel like changing out of my Closed today.
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And in fact, this this band shirt that I'm wearing its ear,
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a kanji can I move this man but Gamba you guys see your congee
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So, you may be wondering, you know, what relevance is have?
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Well, even if it didn't have relevance, even if I was just,
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you know, wearing a random shirt.
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I'm just going to turn around and show you guys the back of
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it, you can zoom in or you can pause the video, you can look at
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it later but there's there's runes on the back of this, you
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know, check it out. Like that, does it?
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But anyway, the back of the shirt has rooms on at the back
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of the shirt is Elder futhark runes that are intended to spell
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out the road to war. Now as I've probably mentioned,
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maybe not on this podcast, but as I've been, you know, doing my
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due diligence, as best I can, in the past to talk about the runes
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in their use in speaking. In Modern English, obviously,
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the Elder futhark runes were used to speak and write in
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proto-germanic, they don't translate into Modern English.
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You can transliterate to some degree.
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Much like I've done in and some similar posts or some stuff on
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my social media. But but the Elder futhark are
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not. Translatable into Modern
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English. We don't speak Modern English
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and Elder futhark rooms. We speak Modern English using
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the Latin alphabet but you can transliterate there there's
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there's there's some ability to do that so the you know th The
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Thorn The Thirst room duty sauce and the a we're heroes room is
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is the best way to to to spell out the word the th e.
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So anyway the back of the shirt is the road to war.
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And that is a title track. Or the title to a track off of
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this band's album, Global genocide.
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One of my favorite songs. We're going to here in just a
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moment sometime during this podcast called you to kanji util
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kanji. So here a kanji is the name of
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the band and you do kanji it's like a it's a jellyfish.
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And we're going to listen to the track called you work on G
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because it is in fact just a f and Jellyfish as the track will
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tell you later on. So stick around for that because
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during this podcast we're going to get into some thrash metal
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y'all I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, it's that kind of an
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episode today's in sense that we are burning, is a mixture of a
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murmur cented incense, and a coffee flavored instance.
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You'll notice that. I said it coffee because I am
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from Long Island. And I will say coffee, not
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coffee. Not give me a cup of Café.
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It's give me a cup of coffee. All right, so it's myrrh and
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coffee. We'll see how that.
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We'll see how that goes. Do not burn the microphone,
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Jesse do not burn the microphone down.
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Okay? So I think that you know, some
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of the sweet and earthy elements of Of of the myrrh, which didn't
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fully take. Let's just get that one a little
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bit longer to burn. I think they'll complement each
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other and so far so good. Yes.
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Are you burning? No, you're not.
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You're extinguishing little jerk.
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Come on. Come on.
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We're gonna get this. Yo, don't worry.
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Um, let me just hold it here for a minute and give it a second
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to. There we go.
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Think we got that one. That one looks to be.
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It's a thick boy. Oh yeah.
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There we go. We got it now.
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All right, so coffee and myrrh working.
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Well, working out. Well.
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So far. So yeah, we're going to come
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back to the irukandji thing here in a moment.
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Actually, we'll probably do that towards the end of the episode
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because I want to get what we're here for, you know, a delay.
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Oh yeah, that's nice. Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah. Now we're going into the Nova
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Scotia and now we're going into the mid western parts of the US.
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Don't you know? Oh yeah.
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No, it's not. Oh yeah, it's all yeah. so, But
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yeah what's what are we doing today, guys?
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What are we doing today in the middle towards the end of the
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week? Following the summer solstice,
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we have surpassed the longest day and the shortest night of
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the year here in the northern hemisphere.
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Meaning that the days to come? Ooh, that's a smoky boy.
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Meaning that the days to come are going to get progressively
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shorter. So the darkness is starting to
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creep in is that metaphorical? No, it's quite literally.
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The darkness is going to start creeping in and we will get
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longer nights and shorter days going forward, but that's just a
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cyclical nature of things. You know, that that's that's how
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that's how it be. Okay.
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So Let's talk a bit about, let's recap, I guess we should say.
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I want to, I want to recap a bit about the, the most recent Somer
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summer, solstice celebration, say that three times, since
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summer, solstice celebrations, summer solstice celebration
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summer, solstice celebration, we did it.
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All right. So the most recent, solstice
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celebration that I got to be a part of was the Raven, Moon
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Hearts public event called Sunnah bloat, Been talking about
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it up to. Well, this past this past week
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and this past weekend, myself and I lost speaker of our tribe
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and we both attended and we got to meet and be reacquainted meet
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new people and be reacquainted with old friends.
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So I do want to just give a quick shout out and thanks you
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know to our friends Of Raven Moon Hearth Greg, the chieftain
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Dawn the Thule Jared, the Goethe and his wife, Michelle who
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participated in was an active role in the evenings ritual.
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Of course, Don and his wife for hosting the event and everybody
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else. All the vendors who came all of
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the new folks that I got to, you know, be acquainted with and get
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to know and do Rune readings for.
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So for anybody who come out to Raven, Moon Hearts event this
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the soon upload event this past weekend and got to Smoke just
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coming right here. That got a chance to get their
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rooms read by me. Thank you, thank you for that
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opportunity. And thank you for allowing me a
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chance to kind of tap into that, you know, aspect of things.
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And that was a really interesting.
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I don't know series of events that you know all of the rooms
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that I read four people. There were there was a lot of
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repeat themes throughout the day.
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So many of the people that came up to me that I was Reading the
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runes for you know, came to me and I was asking, you know, why
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are you here? Not, why are you here at soon?
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A blow? But why are you here talking to
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me? Why did you come to me to have?
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You have the rooms red and so much of the answers that I got
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were? I don't know, I don't know why.
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I'm here, I just I'm looking for just general answers you know
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guidance. Am I doing the right thing?
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Am I on the right path and I've never had the runes read, you
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know, they were there was there was multiple cases of the That I
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read runes, for who have never had Maroons read.
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They may have had other forms of divination performed and but the
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ruins were never a thing. And so, it was like, this is
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new. And let's see how it goes. and,
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It was, it was a, it was a, it was a emotionally and
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spiritually challenging day. I've read runes for people, iíve
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read my own rooms. I've right.
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You know what I mean? Like, it's what part of what I
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do is part of my spirituality as a pagan as a Norse Pagan, but
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having so many people, Have the interest of reading the runes
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are having the ruins read for them.
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Having me read their rooms. There was a lot of exchange of
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energy and it was neat because they were there were there was
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there was one individual. Their name is Lori, we read the
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runes, and there was a ladybug that appeared and then another
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fella, who I read the runes for later on, there was an inchworm,
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an inchworm that appeared that walked around And the Rune
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casting area, the the presence of the land fatir expressing
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their presence or manifesting their presence in the forms of
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these. Creatures.
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You know, I would, I would use such a term as the, you know,
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there's a spirit. There's this Spirit, whether it
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was the spirit of the ladybug, the spirit of The Inchworm,
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whatever, right? How they appear and manifest
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themselves when at at that specific time was significant
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and we took all of that into the Rune readings.
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And that's what I love about the work that I do in the way that I
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serve the community and the way that I serve the people is that
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it's not just a matter of Let's spread out some runes, and let's
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see what happens. No, it's literally.
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We're throwing the bones where we're casting, you know, and
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then little things like that, like a ladybug to appear or an
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inchworm or whatever. Like, those are things that you
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could not have inserted or added to an online reading or
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long-distance sort of exchange of, of a discussion in that way,
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right? It has to be in person to have
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that aspect of things added To it.
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And it made it such a I think trying to get the right word
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like it made it such a complete process, you know I'm saying?
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Like it made it such a Thing that I couldn't possibly
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recreate. At any other point in time.
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And that's what I love so much about it.
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So thank you. Thank you to everyone who came
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out to soon about and supported. First, and foremost, The Hearth,
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The Raven, Moon, Hearth, Kindred, like they put so much
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work into the event. The fact that it's on a big
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enough piece of land that, you know, the homeowners that, you
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know, hosted the event Don and his wife, all of the work that
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goes into preparing the land preparing the ritual space
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preparing the food, you know, all of the collective effort,
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you guys did a bang-up job. So Greg Dawn, you know, Jared
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Kyle, you know, Michelle everybody just everybody a part
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of the heart that that made this event.
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So welcoming and so wholesome, it's so refreshing and it's been
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such a long time since I've been able to experience that and I
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hope that the other people that were there that got a chance to
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experience. This feel the same way that
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they, they got a chance to be exposed to the, the true meaning
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of heathen re, you know, like yes it's a public event and yes
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there are people here who weren't necessarily Norse pagans
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but you got to you got to do some it man you got a chance to
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see you know. The way that a tribe runs their
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event and it was very specific to the Hearth and they, you
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know, did it their way. But they didn't such a good way.
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They did. They really did, you know, the
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game's the the way that you inserted you know, modern things
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into the whole thing that the study talks, you know, the
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discussion, the things that your go the let Jared lead just
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really well done top-notch so you guys Raven Moon Hearth is in
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based out of, you know, the Nashville, Tennessee area,
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Middle Tennessee. They hold these public events
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soon. Upload in the summer, they have
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one coming up in October called Shadow moot.
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It kind of Falls whether by purpose, or by happenstance
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around the time of the winter nights festival or winter Night
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Celebration, that is historically, documented in a
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Testa to in the sagas and some of the other primary or lesser
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sources, it happens around that time.
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So mid-october you guys are on. Check out, Raven, Moon, heart
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friends, and Raven, Hearth and Shadow, mood, if you just search
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Facebook for shadow moot, all one word, you'll find an event
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for that. Come out consider coming out.
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No, you know, no matter where you are consider coming out and
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being a part of this because they do they put a lot of
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thought and a lot of care into their events.
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I have every intention to be there with my tribe in October
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to, you know, kind of celebrate the think the way that they Our
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where their focus is foreshadow, moot is a focus on Hell or
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hella, you know. So the daughter of Loki it is
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it's around that time of year, where we look at the approaching
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winter months, it's again within a week or so.
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Historically of when based off of the lunar solar Cycles, when
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winter nights, Was was historically or traditionally
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observed. So that whole like thinning of
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the veil thing sow in is right around the corner of that time
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of year. So again not just it doesn't
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just appeal to like the Norse or dramatic.
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Pagans it appeals to a lot of polytheists and whether it be
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Celtic or whatever pagans that are in our area that come it can
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if they're able to connect with it and it resonates with them.
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So I do encourage people regardless of where you are in
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the country. the October is but four months away, give or take
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June July, but we're almost a so.
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June July, August September. Yeah, four months away.
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Plan for it. Make make your plans to come out
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to Shadow move and see what it is.
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And I'm talking about. So very good job.
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Greg, the chieftain everybody Raven, Hearth Bravo, glad to
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have been there and glad to have been a part of it.
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It was wholesome, it was good. So for those that are in the
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area that are listening to this podcast today, when it airs,
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don't forget this weekend Sunday.
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The 26th in Murfreesboro Tennessee, at the McAlister's
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Deli on Medical Center Park. We're going to have a MTH or
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middle Tennessee, heathens Meetup, Pub moot, whatever you
18:26
want to call Cyril, a pub. It's a restaurant, but it's a
18:29
meet-up and it's open to. All right?
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So whether you are North Sea than Celtic Pagan Roman
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polytheist Reconstructionist atheist, even just whatever
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whoever you are. If you're in the area and you
18:43
want to come out and see what folks like myself and others in
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the area are about. Let's get a chance to meet with
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those. Let's Network, let's talk.
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Lets, you know. See what the community has to
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offer. So, that's coming up again,
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Sunday. The 26th there is a Facebook
19:01
event if you're not in the Facebook world and you don't,
19:07
you know, really touch on that. But you listen to these
19:09
podcasts, I will include details about that as far as addresses
19:15
location and all that. In the comments in the
19:17
description area, I should say, we're in the show notes of this
19:20
podcast, if you're listening and you want to go Facebook and find
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it. Check your show notes area.
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The the details will be there, even if you're not on Facebook,
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you can still come to the event, hoping for a nice turnout
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hopefully. All right.
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So what is today's topic of discussion?
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Now that we got all of that fun stuff out of there.
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What is today's topic of discussion?
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Well, what we are going to be talking about today is an email
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that I received from Mitch. Let me just pull the email up
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real quick because Mitch, Writes in and says hello.
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First of all let me say I freaking love your content will.
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Mitch I appreciate you for saying that.
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So thank you so much for writing in and starting off your email
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with that. It's good to know that you enjoy
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what I do. You helped inspire me greatly on
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my path. My hat's off to you even though
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I'm not wearing one but but again, thank you.
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I was hoping to get your opinion on something.
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So I understand that Odes and Promises In Heathen re are
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different. But since O's are a heathen
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thing, if the other party is, for example, a Christian or even
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an atheist would promises or giving that person your word be
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considered the same. Severity as an oath since they
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aren't Heathen. Or is that irrelevant?
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Have a great day? Mitch.
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So today's topic of the podcast is going to be on that of Oaths
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oath / promises and he is right, that you're right in the sense
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that the thing of the between Oaths and promises are different
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within a heathen world view. So let's talk a bit about that.
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I have gone over this in a previous video on my channel
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which I will link into the show notes and description of of this
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episode. So if you You haven't seen that.
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It is a bit dated. It's been at least a year or two
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since I've done that video but I think the message behind it and
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all that still Echoes True to this day.
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In that we talk about owes, we talk about promises, we talk
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about swearing something of solidity, you know, between
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ourselves and individuals. There has to be an understanding
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we, you know, We really like go off into this.
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And this is again, this is this is probably touching on things
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that are a bit of a I wouldn't necessarily call it Heathen re
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101, right? Like this isn't this is stuff
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like when we talk about owes and promises and all that kind of
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stuff, we're talking about things are a bit advanced in the
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world view of heathen re-arrange a world of heathens ring.
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So if you're not familiar with what we're talking about,
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there's going to be some homework for you to do.
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There's going to be some research for you to do, and
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hopefully the videos that I post in the comments description,
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show notes, Etc, will be helpful for you to understand, but we
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talk about prom Cesaro's. Promises and Oaths oats are
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different than promises. Okay.
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A Promise does not carry the same weight and does not
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insinuate the same things as an oath.
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So the biggest thing I think that we could probably summarize
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with those two things is that a promise is a promise.
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I promise to do this. I promise you that and there is
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no binding or promise. Doesn't it?
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There's nothing binding about a promise, right?
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I promise to do this. Well, what if you don't do it,
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what happens if you don't, you know, you broke your promise and
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and that could maybe damage your reputation that can maybe hurt
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who you are as a person and how you are known as a person.
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If you fail to uphold your promise.
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But but with an oath, there is more to it an oath. includes
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more than just yourself, and there's also Consequences for
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not fulfilling that oath. So let's use, for example, a
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very common thing that we see happening across.
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I think a lot of heathen circles, you know, right around
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the time of New Year's, you know, when we all make our
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resolutions or when people make resolutions, it's a promise in a
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way, right? I resolved to do XYZ and we'll
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just use for the sake of argument.
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Losing weight getting better, you know, getting in better
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shape, something along those lines because that seems to be a
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very common thing. You know, I promised to lose x
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amount of weight, you know. That's not really binding.
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You know, that's like that's a goal that you're setting, you
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you're saying, I resolved to do this, I promise to do that but
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what are the consequences if you don't?
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Well, there's really none because if you don't lose that
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weight then you just failed to Achieve the goal, you know, the
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resolution that you set was not met and so, you know, it could
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be argued that, you know, the persons or person, right?
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However, you've expressed this promise to people around, you
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might think differently of you, if you fail to keep that
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promise. Now the oath when thing, when an
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oath is given, I want an oath is taken.
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That's that's some of the very key things to bear in mind here.
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Oh, those are given and O's are taken when an oath happens.
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There is an oaf Giver and an oath taker, at least in the the,
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the historical. Side of things like when again,
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I'm taking this as a very pointed thing to Mitch's
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question. Is it being oh, those are
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already Heathen thing. Yes, they are.
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That's not an untrue statement. I think it extends Beyond
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Heathen re and I think the meaning behind the oath can
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transcend into other cultures and into other polytheistic
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maybe or even non-religious World Views, but in this
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context, oh, those are given a nodes are taken.
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So, there is an oath Giver. Somebody who gives the oath,
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there is a witness, there's an audience there.
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There are people who are witness to this oath and then the person
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who is taking on that oath They're different than a promise
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in that. When we have a situation where
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and I'm just going to use an example that is that is close to
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me because it's so fresh in my mind.
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At certain events at certain holy Tides.
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It was documented especially over you'll that oh those were
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given and taken over the The boar for the for you all, they
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were their oath sworn on the boar. so, the way that I see it
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in the way that I've come to learn is that the way that an
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oath works is you have to have someone who gives the oath.
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Usually, the person who is, Whether it be the Lord
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Chieftain, go the, whatever of your group or Kindred is the
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oath Giver. You have the person who was
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taking that oath, the recipient, the one who says, I swear to do
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this that and the other, and then you have the people who are
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a part of it that are tying themselves in this whole
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exchange. There is, there is there is an
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exchange happening here. That is, that is connecting all
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of the group. so, Fundamentally as an example.
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I'm going to kind of just share with you guys.
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Something that happened this past year, or at you'll, which
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was in January for us. I took an oath.
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I took an oath and I was given an oath by my lost speaker, I
27:42
guess. It was kind of like, it wasn't
27:43
like an officially. Like, he didn't give it to me,
27:45
and I took it, it was, it was kind of a thing where it was the
27:48
way, that the way that it was all constructed at the time, it
27:52
was, you know, I am, oh, thing in front of my tribe and I am
27:57
being held responsible in front of my tribe, there's going to be
28:01
repercussions if I fail to fulfill my oath and my oath was
28:06
what it was. I'm not going to go into detail
28:08
about it right now. There will come a time where I
28:10
talk about this but now is not that time and basically the way
28:16
that it panned out was the oath was to fulfill a task.
28:21
The oath was to fulfill something that I felt.
28:23
Felt was attainable and achievable.
28:27
With challenges with dedication with things that I knew would
28:30
not just be easy to do. It's like you know anybody can
28:33
lose weight anyway. You can go on a diet anybody can
28:35
exercise anybody can watch what they eat, you know, and lose
28:39
weight, that's not enough. It's you know if you promise or
28:45
if you say I want to lose 30 pounds in a year or whatever
28:48
like that's unattainable goal and you can you can do that
28:52
without having to enter into the oath.
28:55
Process. Miles involved.
29:00
Financial Obligations doing things that I normally wouldn't
29:05
do financially to achieve this oath and and dedicated work, you
29:10
know, maybe not my own physical labor, but enough of focus on on
29:16
the whole thing to, you know, make sure move the camera there
29:23
a little bit, sorry about that, that, I fulfilled that oath.
29:28
So I said, Or I gave, you know, I took that as I'm going to do
29:33
is and they were other people around me that are holding me
29:35
responsible for that. And by doing so, they are now
29:38
tied and they are now interwoven into the, the whole oath web as
29:44
it were. If I fail to fulfill my oath,
29:46
not only is my luck and is my girlfriend.
29:49
My reputation damage, but their luck is now impact it because
29:53
they have entered into that agreement with me.
29:55
They are now holding me accountable and responsible for
29:59
that they're lucky. Luck is as much on the line as
30:01
mine is, maybe not as much, but to a degree.
30:05
Their luck is on the line, right?
30:07
If I don't fulfill my oath and they're gonna be like, what the
30:10
f, dude, you said you were going to do it.
30:12
You you were going to do this. And now if I don't fulfill this
30:15
oath, what happens they? Hold me accountable.
30:18
I have to pay recompense, I have to pay Shield.
30:23
So this again this is all very Heathen Centric.
30:25
This is all focused on the Heathen world view that Archie
30:28
the world view of how things. Done in an ancient Society
30:31
amongst the either warrior class specifically warrior class
30:37
because that's what we have. That's documented hose were
30:39
given taken amongst Warlords, Chieftains and there.
30:42
And there you know, the y'all's in their Chieftains or the URLs
30:48
in their Warlords. Write like this is a very common
30:50
thing Kings. Even there's enough document its
30:54
sources that support this so now, I'm going to insert the
31:02
caveat that Mitch mentioned, whereas there was heathens.
31:05
Or is it even thing? Right.
31:07
It's a heathen Focus thing but it's what if you have non
31:10
heathens present or what if there's not even, does it become
31:14
irrelevant as to become not a thing anymore?
31:18
I took my oath, my oath was given to me and I took my oath
31:21
amongst heathens and non heathens alike.
31:25
Right? One of my brother's one of my,
31:27
one of the people who I am not blood kin to.
31:30
But who is nonetheless? A brother, to me is not Pagan is
31:32
not Heathen. However, they were present for
31:36
the giving and taking of said oath, And they understood.
31:43
The construct of it all. As long as the people are
31:49
persons present, understand what is happening and agree to it.
31:55
Then it really doesn't matter that their Heathen or not.
31:59
If they accept the conditions of the oath, they accept that they
32:04
are Ritually tying themselves to that person by simply being
32:11
present, right? I've actually had events take
32:15
place where when an oath is given or taken, right?
32:21
Some people who do not want to be bound to that through the up
32:25
through obligation. Leave the room.
32:28
They remove themselves from the area because they're like, I
32:32
don't want nothing to do with this, if something were to go
32:35
sideways and And they can't fulfill that oath.
32:37
I don't want my luck tied to this person's oath to, you know,
32:41
to and have my luck damaged or compromised, as a result.
32:48
So I feel that there is a responsibility.
32:51
Whenever there is Oaths being given and taken to express that
32:55
that, you know, hey, this is what it's about.
32:58
This isn't just me, promising something to you guys.
33:00
It isn't in just promising something myself.
33:02
And your wins by entering into this agreement by by being
33:06
present. You are effectively tying
33:09
yourself. To the outcome of this.
33:12
If I fail, you hold me accountable.
33:14
If I win and if I succeed, and if my oath is fulfilled, then I
33:18
can come back and I can give a bait and give a boast and your
33:21
luck and mine is You know added to and you have you have then as
33:30
as a participant of this agreement of this of this oath,
33:34
you have, you know, entered into this thing and by my
33:39
accomplishing said oath, your luck is now expounded upon you
33:44
have now increased your own luck because you've agreed to tie
33:48
yourself to me in that way. so, To the, to the, to the point of
33:56
it being, you know, whether they're Christian, whether
33:59
they're atheist, does it matter? Yes, it matters.
34:01
It matters to the degree that they understand what is going on
34:06
and why we're doing what we're doing, is everybody in
34:11
agreement? And do they all understand if
34:13
they don't, if they have questions?
34:14
Are they taking the proper measures to ask and get
34:20
understanding or if they understand fully and don't want
34:23
to be a part of it? Are they?
34:25
Removing themselves and and I've always done that.
34:27
Like, I've always made it clear, like, hey guys, when we're about
34:30
to enter into this thing when we're about to do with this, if
34:33
anybody doesn't want to be a part of this, here's here's what
34:37
you're doing by just simply being here.
34:38
And if you don't want to be a part of this, then you need to
34:41
consider that and perhaps remove yourself from the situation,
34:46
right? Because an Indian and here's
34:50
why. And it does it goes back to the
34:51
worldview of of Artisans of when things like this were done and
34:56
then documented sources of how it was done, So I don't think it
35:01
inherently is a bad thing or damaging.
35:03
Thing to include non heathens in your Oaths.
35:08
But they need to understand that it the way that we do this, what
35:12
we're doing this for the purpose behind, it does include you to a
35:16
degree and you are now responsible for an accountable,
35:20
you know, for that outcome and it's worked well enough for me
35:26
in the way that I've done things, you know, actually this
35:30
year at you'll. The this was the first time that
35:33
I can say, for sure that any oath was give an end or taken,
35:40
you know, and it's all about reality and it's all about, you
35:44
know, setting a Attainable goal. If you're going to, if you think
35:53
that the only way that you're going to accomplish something is
35:55
to oath to do it. Then there needs to be some
35:58
checks and balances in place, right?
35:59
You shouldn't just be going here.
36:00
But I, man, I need to lose 50 pounds in 2 months.
36:03
There should be somebody like a Thule or lost bigger somebody
36:06
that that is that is designated. At that moment to be like, hold
36:09
on a minute, we were like 50 pounds in two months.
36:11
That's 25 pounds a month. That's, you know, that's a,
36:15
that's outrageous, you know, even if you were like, wow,
36:18
Going to hard and working out and eating good.
36:21
I mean, like, you're literally like starving yourself just to
36:23
accomplish that potentially light or whatever.
36:26
I'm just, you know, using that as a as a hypothetical, as a
36:30
situation to. It's kind of like when you look
36:33
at the Beowulf Saga, you know, when when when Beowulf says he's
36:37
going to slay Grendel, he's going to do all these things.
36:42
You know, he had his school, he you know he had that guy, I
36:46
can't remember his name off the top, my head was at our members
36:52
name, it's an Old English name and it's on the tip of my tongue
36:55
but I don't want to miss speak and mispronounced it but he he's
37:01
like, He challenges unlike he like calls out the fact that,
37:06
you know, talking about this here are you up to the task and
37:09
brings up some reality points? You know what I'm saying?
37:12
So, there's that like there's that whole like a if somebody
37:15
just comes in and wants to be like, I'm going to do x y z, I'm
37:19
going to be this great big thing.
37:21
I'm gonna, you know, whatever it is.
37:22
There should be somebody in place too.
37:26
Pump the brakes. Let's let's think about this.
37:29
Have you thought about this? Are you sure you're up for the
37:32
task? And they're the ones that
37:35
typically will also set the Shield or set the recompense
37:40
right? Well alright you say you're big
37:41
and bad you think you're going to kill Grendel and all this
37:43
kind of thing. You think you're going to do all
37:44
this stuff that you say you're going to do?
37:47
Well should you fail and there's a likelihood that you will or
37:52
whatever? You know there might be some of
37:54
that fleeting flighting, whatever, some of that gentle
37:59
gentle maybe sometimes aggressive ribbing of sorts
38:03
roasting of It's to be like you see you're going to do this, but
38:06
you can't even do XYZ, you know, that sort of stuff.
38:11
Here's what you're going to pay. If you fail, here's what you're
38:14
going to do. If you fail. so when, when it
38:22
comes to Oaths, Are they hidden thing?
38:25
They are he'd think yes I mean they are definitely part of it
38:29
and when it comes to a lot of What's Done among the Heathen
38:33
tribes and even circles there, there's a nothung process,
38:37
right? Especially when when when you
38:39
have groups that are looking to acquire more members, there's
38:45
there's a there comes a point in time, where a, after we've
38:48
proven your worth, after we've seen that, you are worthy of
38:52
being entered in and amongst our ranks.
38:54
As it were now, it is time for you to swear fealty to your
39:00
Chieftain, or swear loyalty and truth and oath yourself into
39:04
that family, into that tribe. Doesn't have to be that you're
39:10
100% Norse, Pagan or Germanic Pagan, or whatever.
39:13
But as such and as, as you are wanted to be a part of
39:16
something, you are, you are agreeing to the rules and
39:20
regulations that come with being in that group.
39:22
And then that tribe. So are the challenges that that
39:28
come across with the, I don't know, being non Heathen,
39:33
atheist. Whatever.
39:36
As long as they understand what is at stake and what is being
39:42
done for the reasons that it's being done.
39:46
I don't I don't see anything particularly or inherently
39:50
damaging to explore the oath process in the way that I've
39:56
described it very Loosely to include people of non even,
40:03
Persuasions. All right.
40:10
And it might. At times, you know?
40:13
And again, I think every situation is different.
40:15
It might add an element of Or layer of complexity, to the
40:23
point that it enhances the actual tribes growth and
40:28
construct. so, but Mitch I hope that that helped answer the
40:35
question and thank you for writing in as a reminder for
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ear kanji. Song called it a kanji, right?
41:51
So this is there. This is their bandcamp,
41:55
obviously, as you can tell. So it's literally, as you would
41:59
see on my shirt irri kanji, their font, and all that
42:03
obviously is a dead giveaway. If your metal fan that they are
42:07
thrash, thrash death. And you're about to hear what I
42:10
have to say because this is Off of their Global genocide album,
42:15
which was released some time ago.
42:17
Don't remember exactly the air, but I feel like it was somewhere
42:19
around, 2012, 2013, something like that.
42:22
Local Middle, Tennessee, thrash, death band irukandji, this is
42:27
the track called either kanji. Okay, let me, let me just let me
45:42
just stop for a moment. And give you guys a chance to
45:47
recuperate from, you know, the last two and a half minutes or
45:50
so of that. Because this is not typical of
45:53
the random Heathen ramblings podcast.
45:55
But I gotta plug the dudes, when the dudes need to get plugged,
45:59
you know what I'm saying? I gotta I gotta show some love
46:02
to the homies. Hardy Hardison Kyle Caldwell,
46:06
Matt. His name.
46:10
Cromwell camel so I can remember.
46:11
Anyway, these guys were they don't play shows around here
46:16
anymore. Man, but I'm telling you when it
46:17
came to the local thrash metal scene around here.
46:23
I have thrown down heavy in the pit with these dudes.
46:29
All right, so enough of the enough of the hype, right?
46:33
You, you've got the gist. Let's continue.
48:27
Okay. Wow, I mean, just wow.
48:33
Right, I'm going to post their bank account because again, got
48:39
to show love for the homies, man.
48:40
Checking out on bandcamp, get their stuff.
48:43
It's out there clearly and it's a good-ass time, bro.
48:48
Like, it's a good ass time and I'm getting a little bit loose.
48:51
So I'm getting a bit loose because of it all makes me wanna
48:54
just throw some elbows in the pit.
48:57
You know what I'm saying? Maybe some want to makes me want
48:59
a shoulder check. A dude man makes me want to I
49:03
don't know man. Like, makes me want to do the
49:06
polka. You ever seen polka done in the
49:09
metal thrash pit? Well, you miss it out.
49:15
Makes me want to have a pillow fight.
49:19
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