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Bachelorette Mindset (The Golden Bachelorette Week Six) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast. We are here breaking down hometowns
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Speaker 2: of Jones season of The Golden Bachelorette. Ashley, I want
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Speaker 2: to start with this statement.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I love your big dramatic statements.
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Speaker 4: Isn't that like what you do in radio is.
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Speaker 3: Like the Yes, you do a great job, because I
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Speaker 3: truly get excited.
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Speaker 2: Pascal is my favorite, me too, and that takes nothing
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Speaker 2: away from the other guys that exists within this process.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a recency bias because we
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Speaker 2: got to interview her his daughter, and if you haven't
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Speaker 2: listened to that, please go back to the almost humous threat.
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Speaker 2: Didn't listen to the interview with his daughter. It is awesome.
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Speaker 2: She gives us great insight into who he is as
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Speaker 2: a person, which we see a little bit of on
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Speaker 2: the show, but I think she gives us even more
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Speaker 2: details and insight during the interview. But I wasn't I'll
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Speaker 2: be honest, I wasn't convinced with Pascal. I didn't dislike him,
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Speaker 2: I just didn't. I thought he was a character more
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Speaker 2: than he was a compatible match. After our interview with her,
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Speaker 2: I walked out of that interview and I said, and
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Speaker 2: I told Jess this, I said, I think he actually
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Speaker 2: is exactly what somebody could be looking like Joan especially
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Speaker 2: is looking for in this next golden chapter.
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Speaker 4: And it showed up during this episode.
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Speaker 3: So you weren't here for Nancy's interview last week when
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Speaker 3: we recapped, and she brought that point up about how
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Speaker 3: like he's just totally different and he's kind of like
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Speaker 3: a Sex and the City character, like if it were
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Speaker 3: to happen in like the new rendition of Sex and
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Speaker 3: the City where it's like you're looking for somebody that's
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Speaker 3: not your husband who's passed away, somebody just to like
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Speaker 3: live a whole different chapter of life. And he fits
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Speaker 3: that mold perfectly. And I just saw a lot to
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Speaker 3: him during this episode because like we had the emotion
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Speaker 3: with his son and then like he is so swabe
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Speaker 3: and I know he's always been very handsome, but like it,
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Speaker 3: you know, they'll made me feel weird, like when I say,
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Speaker 3: when we talked about Mark, but like I saw Pascal
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Speaker 3: as very sexy in this episode.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that. I get that.
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Speaker 2: A couple comments as we move into breaking this down
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Speaker 2: some overarching themes that came up.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 2: I don't want this to come off as any type
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Speaker 2: of criticism towards Joan, because I think Joan has been fantastic.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to have a really hard time
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Speaker 2: finding a golden bachelorette that has navigated this process like Joan.
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Speaker 2: I do think they will find other golden bachelorettes who
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Speaker 2: will benefit from this process, that will find love in
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Speaker 2: this process, that will have different a different personality type,
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Speaker 2: and so there'll be different guys that they're interested in.
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Speaker 2: I think they'll be fine. Joan has been fantastic. I
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Speaker 2: think this is the second episode though, and I would
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Speaker 2: love to talk to Joan about this. I have no
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Speaker 2: clue how to relate with this because I obviously haven't
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Speaker 2: been through it. I think this is the second episode
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Speaker 2: that I asked myself, is Joan really ready?
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Speaker 4: No, I don't know if she is.
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Speaker 3: I don't think she is, and it really has been recent.
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Speaker 2: The only reason I can I feel like I can
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Speaker 2: say that is because of her comments to mark On.
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Speaker 2: I don't think we're in the same place, so my
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Speaker 2: comparison to that, which, you know, if she felt that way, great,
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Speaker 2: But now I'm watching it and I'm I'm personally thinking,
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Speaker 2: I don't see a difference between where Mark was at
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Speaker 2: and where he like and how he was feeling and
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Speaker 2: where now Joan is at, especially during this episode, because
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Speaker 2: it's consistently compared to the past, which again isn't a criticism.
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Speaker 4: I just don't know if she's ready.
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Speaker 3: I want to bring up Pascal again.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 3: I think with Pascal, she's going to have a relationship
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Speaker 3: where it's not comparable to what she had with her husband,
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Speaker 3: which I think is what she needs because if it's
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Speaker 3: anything close to her husband, then like through the rest
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Speaker 3: of her life it's gonna be like, oh but he
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Speaker 3: did that. Oh and he did that. So I think
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Speaker 3: it's like nice to kind of like break away and
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Speaker 3: to have her have like two separate like not lives,
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Speaker 3: but you know what I mean. Also, when Pascal said
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Speaker 3: we are moved, we're like in the same place, Like
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Speaker 3: we're both not really feeling like we need to rush this,
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Speaker 3: like he was like I She's like, I know that
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Speaker 3: I'm like kind of being slow, and he's like, well,
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Speaker 3: I know that I'm kind of being slow. But I
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Speaker 3: think that we're like on the same trajectory. That was.
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Speaker 3: I was like, yes, perfect, another reason to like Pascal,
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Speaker 3: And for some reason she interprets it later in the
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Speaker 3: episode as like a warning sign, and I'm like, no, No,
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Speaker 3: girl realized that that's kind of where you're at too.
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Speaker 2: I think you're saying yes, you're putting it into better
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Speaker 2: language than I could. I didn't know what I was
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Speaker 2: exactly feeling. It's not that I don't think Joan is
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Speaker 2: ready for this experience. It's not that I don't think
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Speaker 2: Joan is going to benefit from the process. It's not
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Speaker 2: that I don't think Joan was the right choice for
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Speaker 2: the Golden Bachelorette. All those things I think are one
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Speaker 2: hundred percent the right decision by her to say yes
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Speaker 2: to it, by the show to bring her on all
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Speaker 2: those things. Mike, My point is not that she's not
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Speaker 2: ready to have an incredible next chapter. I don't think
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Speaker 2: she's ready to enter into something that feels like a
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Speaker 2: marriage or feels like that extreme commitment. I think Pascal
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Speaker 2: offers this, Hey, you and I are exclusive. You and
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Speaker 2: I are moving towards whatever we want in this next
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Speaker 2: chapter of love. I love you, I care about you,
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Speaker 2: I want to have adventures with you. I want to
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Speaker 2: experience the world with you, but this isn't going to
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Speaker 2: look like what it did before for you. And I
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Speaker 2: think that if I was sitting down with Joan at
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Speaker 2: this point the season, after watching the journey so far,
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Speaker 2: that would be what I would tell tell her is
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Speaker 2: I think this dude offers a lot of the things
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Speaker 2: you want where Chalk Chalk wants to marry this woman,
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Speaker 2: which is amazing and so fun to see. Yeah, that
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Speaker 2: he's so head over heels for her, but I think
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Speaker 2: it's going to feel like a little bit of a
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Speaker 2: like I can't catch my breath. This is a lot
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Speaker 2: really soon.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, And I think right now, especially with the persuasion
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Speaker 3: of the producers, the chalk vibe is what we are
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Speaker 3: traditionally looking for on this show. But I'm just not
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Speaker 3: sure that that's what she really needs. I think she
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Speaker 3: might be like two in bachelorette mindset.
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Speaker 2: You're right, because yes, that's interesting that you say that,
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Speaker 2: because you see the bachelorette language. Come up now for
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Speaker 2: the next episode, I'm going to leave here with nobody.
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Speaker 2: And it's like, if you do, is that big a deal? Joan,
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Speaker 2: Like you're you have a great life, You're thriving, Like,
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Speaker 2: if none of these guys are for you, Gary said it, right,
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Speaker 2: Trista kind of said it, like, if none of these
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Speaker 2: guys are for you, you, this is different. You know,
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Speaker 2: this is a whole different thing. You know you're worthy
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Speaker 2: of love. You know you can give love. You know
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Speaker 2: you haven't a family that is like so in love
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Speaker 2: with you. You have grand kids, Like.
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Speaker 4: You're fine. Love exists in your world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you leave here with nobody, if that is
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Speaker 2: the best decision for you, that's okay. What I'm concerned about,
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Speaker 2: what I would be as a viewer and as a
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Speaker 2: huge Jon fan. What I am most concerned about at
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Speaker 2: this point is that she is going to say yes
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Speaker 2: to something that is going to feel like too much
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Speaker 2: as soon as the public starts knowing about it.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Another thing about Chock, just because he does feel
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Speaker 3: like a lot, he's he's not I don't like, I
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Speaker 3: don't want to use the expression, but maybe I will.
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Speaker 3: It's a kind of like love bombing. Okay. He's coming
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Speaker 3: on really strong. Mostly in last week's episode when they
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Speaker 3: were bowling now, he was like saying certain things like
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Speaker 3: what'sida of the bad news? I talked about this with
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Speaker 3: Nancy now that kind of like I gotten messages on
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Speaker 3: Instagram that was like, yeah, Chuck is giving me the ick,
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Speaker 3: and it's just because I think it's just like a
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Speaker 3: little bit too much and I don't want her to
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Speaker 3: have that like I'm being smothered with love feeling when
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Speaker 3: she's done with this, because I just don't think that
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Speaker 3: she's in the right place for that.
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Speaker 4: Can I bring up.
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Speaker 2: A thought that I don't know to be true and
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Speaker 2: I want you to argue with me about it, and
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Speaker 2: I want our listeners to argue with me about it
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Speaker 2: if they don't agree with it. Is there a level?
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Speaker 2: You know, as we get older, we in a lot
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Speaker 2: of ways kind of get younger, right, and you need
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Speaker 2: more people taking care of you again, right, You need support,
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Speaker 2: You're looking for love, You're looking to be around like
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Speaker 2: friends and community, And as you get older, you kind of, yes,
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Speaker 2: you've matured in so many ways and you have life
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Speaker 2: experience to lean on, but you kind of go back
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Speaker 2: to your younger years and the same, you know, sentiment.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if Chalk, for example, because he has fallen
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Speaker 2: in love and now been out of love and kind
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Speaker 2: of taking a break in between and he's not in
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Speaker 2: that kind of dating have that dating muscle, that love muscle,
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Speaker 2: you know that you experience as you're kind of exploring
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Speaker 2: other people and you're trying to figure out what you're
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Speaker 2: looking for as a partner.
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Speaker 3: He has no chill.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly like that. He's like overly excited. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't know how to walk through this solely because like
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Speaker 2: he said, and I think it's sweet.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't give me the dick. I do think it's sweet.
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Speaker 2: I think he looks at Joan and says, you are
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Speaker 2: everything I've ever dreamed of. I want to give you
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Speaker 2: the world. I want to spin my world with you.
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Speaker 2: I want to do all the things, which is sweet.
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Speaker 2: I just don't know if that's what Joan wants.
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Speaker 3: She thinks that she wants it though right now.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I think she thinks that she wants it.
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Speaker 2: But I, like I said that, if I sat down
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Speaker 2: with her and had a heart to heart, it would
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Speaker 2: be Joan, do you really want that?
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Speaker 4: Do you want that? Or do you just want a
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Speaker 4: lot of fun?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you want fun and companionship?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't know. I can't speak for Joan there.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is a viewer my perspective as we sit
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Speaker 2: here after hometown's and after seeing some great you know
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Speaker 2: dates go go on, Let's start with kind of like
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Speaker 2: lightly then breaking down each day. We start this episode
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Speaker 2: with guy Guy's families involved.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I can't get over the fact that this
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Speaker 3: guy's still here. This guy is still here, and he's
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Speaker 3: at the end of the episode still here.
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Speaker 2: Interesting kind of perspective is you know this. I looked
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Speaker 2: into it last night. It's not a secret at this
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Speaker 2: point that you know, he has had complaints. There was
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Speaker 2: a temporary restraining order that was filed or asked to
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Speaker 2: be filed against him. The details of this are a
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Speaker 2: little murky. It's hard to really understand kind of where
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Speaker 2: this fell out. But it was with his ex wife.
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Speaker 3: Okay, oh, it was with the ex wife. Interesting.
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Speaker 2: The interesting part of this is his kids were there,
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Speaker 2: which I'm assuming the mother is his ex wife, and
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Speaker 2: they were very supportive of their father. So I don't know, like,
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Speaker 2: I don't know the details of this whole thing. It's
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Speaker 2: hard to understand online even I'm not a legal expert,
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Speaker 2: but she obviously sees something in him. And here's my point,
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Speaker 2: how could she not he picked her up on a
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Speaker 2: boat and went across Lake Tahoe. You and I've spent
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Speaker 2: time on Lake Tahoe together. Yeah, that place is beautiful. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: like you want to feel like you're going to live
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Speaker 2: the dream. I know, like that date set up, out
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Speaker 2: of all the dates to it, it felt like it
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Speaker 2: was set up to be the date, the date that
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Speaker 2: makes everything make sense. But obviously you have this shadow
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Speaker 2: over it right now, with the past, you know coming out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't watch him the same exactly.
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Speaker 4: That's a good point. You can't watch it the same.
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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure that like much of the audience
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Speaker 3: knows about this one. This one has definitely been more
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Speaker 3: under the radar than Gil and of course further further
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Speaker 3: further under the radar than Devin.
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Speaker 4: Where's Devon at these days?
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Speaker 3: I know, you know, Devin, Like five minutes before we
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Speaker 3: started this, I was like, wow, talk about just like disappearing,
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Speaker 3: which is a good thing there, I was, so I
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Speaker 3: was kind of like looking into it a little bit
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Speaker 3: too deeply, perhaps, but like the family does allude to
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Speaker 3: him going through some rough times, like we're glad you're
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Speaker 3: you know, seeing you're getting over the tough times. That's all.
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Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, so maybe he had some behavioral
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Speaker 3: issues after that divorce. But yeah, I just can't. I
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Speaker 3: can't watch him without knowing that there was some sort
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Speaker 3: of altercation with a former lover and now me learning
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Speaker 3: that it was his wife, and like there's just something
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Speaker 3: behind that calm. So I like kind of freaked out
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Speaker 3: because he's so calm, he's so that I'm like, there's
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Speaker 3: something hiding behind that.
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Speaker 4: It's hard to watch it the same way.
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Speaker 3: I have one more thing to say, because beyond me
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Speaker 3: feeling not that I mean know ma me feeling weird
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Speaker 3: because they're there's some legal thing, I also just do
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Speaker 3: not feel it between the two of them, and I've
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Speaker 3: never seen somebody yet this far where i feel no connection.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels like they haven't quite taken the step
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Speaker 2: like the Pascals of the world. Even though you know,
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Speaker 2: I did view him as a character for a bit
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Speaker 2: at least, there's been moments where you're like, she's into it,
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Speaker 2: like she's having fun with this. Obviously, Chalk and her
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Speaker 2: have had some really great moments. I would say Jordan here,
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Speaker 2: it would also be one nice I felt it. Yeah, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it kind of feels like he's just a great choice
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Speaker 2: and he was a nice nice.
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Speaker 4: But I'm with you.
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Speaker 2: I think that the two at the top, or Pascal
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Speaker 2: and Chalk here when it comes to the connection that exists.
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Speaker 2: I just did confirm that it is a Yes, it
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Speaker 2: was with his ex wife, and so we were not
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Speaker 2: speaking out a turn there. It was late when I
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Speaker 2: was looking at this online. I just want to make
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Speaker 2: sure that I read things right way, because oftentimes I don't.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: The next date that we see on this show is
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Speaker 2: with Pascal, correct, correct.
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Speaker 3: And it was the standout date for you for me,
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Speaker 3: such as a salon. You can just feel the energy
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Speaker 3: is so positive and comfortable, and you are getting a
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Speaker 3: taste in the life that she would have, right you
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Speaker 3: are getting a taste of the life that she would
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Speaker 3: have with him, and it is posh, lucks and just
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Speaker 3: exactly what I'd want in my sixties. She's getting her
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Speaker 3: hand rubbed with Champagne. He's taken her around his fancy
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Speaker 3: vehicle that is his bachelor pad. Because you know, sometimes
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Speaker 3: they show the homes are different people's homes, they confirm
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Speaker 3: that that's his home. I don't know. This seems like
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Speaker 3: a nice life good looking family, good looking family. He's
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Speaker 3: just so swave. He feels manly in this episode, which
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Speaker 3: is a little bit different than what he's felt like.
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Speaker 3: Remember how we asked his daughter last week if like
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Speaker 3: he felt like if she felt like her dad was metro.
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Speaker 3: In this way, he actually feels very masculine. He's not.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that's you know,
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Speaker 3: putting his pinky finger up when he's drinking. Here, he
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Speaker 3: feels like he.
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Speaker 4: Is a leading man with a big personality.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, with a big personality, big charisma, and everybody around
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Speaker 3: him likes to be around him.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting.
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Speaker 2: I saw golden Bachelor during this episode because of just
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Speaker 2: his his energy level and his excitement. I don't, you know,
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Speaker 2: obviously know how this ends. I have not been spoiled.
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Speaker 2: I'm still you know, it's hard for me to believe
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Speaker 2: that it's not chalk at the end. Yeah, just based
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Speaker 2: on how everything's led up to this point. However, You're right,
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Speaker 2: he was. This was a fun date. It was a
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Speaker 2: fun vibe and can you imagine again going into you
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Speaker 2: know this world. She travels into Chicago to see her
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Speaker 2: you know, husband, boyfriend. Whatever they end up being at
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Speaker 2: the end, and she stops into the salon and has
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Speaker 2: all the girl chat with you know, thirty women, and
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Speaker 2: she has some champagne and then they go out to
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Speaker 2: a fancy dinner and then the next day they jump
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Speaker 2: on a flight to Paris. Like that feels like the
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Speaker 2: life they could live. It sounds fun, it sounds exciting.
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Speaker 2: I think he also, and I'd say, you see it
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Speaker 2: in his eyes, you see it in emotion this episode.
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Speaker 2: I do think he deeply cares about Joan. I don't
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Speaker 2: know where that leads to, and I do think he's
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Speaker 2: hesitant to to take too many steps because, as he said,
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Speaker 2: he's been hurt deeply before. But I do think he
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Speaker 2: really cares about Joan, and I think it's a care
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Speaker 2: that is different than most where it's just like I
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Speaker 2: like this woman. I think I can have fun with
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Speaker 2: this woman. She's you know, she compliments me in so
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Speaker 2: many ways. And I also think that there is a
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Speaker 2: level too where I think Joan's a big personality, But
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Speaker 2: I think it's been hard for her to show that
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Speaker 2: too much during this season because I think it has
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Speaker 2: been an internal struggle for most of it for her,
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Speaker 2: where she hasn't just been able to take a deep
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Speaker 2: breath and be like, what him, you know, let me
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Speaker 2: just have fun with this. I think a lot of
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Speaker 2: it is reminding her of the past, and that's tough
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Speaker 2: for sure.
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Speaker 3: And I will say I felt a little bit concerned
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Speaker 3: just seeing his lifestyle, like him in his element that like,
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Speaker 3: perhaps he is a little bit of a playboy.
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Speaker 4: I don't think he is. I think his kids would.
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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously we met Natalie, but his son was
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Speaker 3: so sweet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, his son is the like I grew up with
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Speaker 2: every Chicago like a ton of Chicago people. His son
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Speaker 2: is every Chicago human. Yeah, like they are that human.
18:43
Speaker 2: What you just saw there is a Chicago guy. I'm
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Speaker 2: sure he had a lot of fun. Why his dad
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Speaker 2: was gone, I'm sure it was the past few months
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Speaker 2: of his life to open up the bachelor pad to
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Speaker 2: his friends and you know, coworkers. His son was very sweet.
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Speaker 2: The moment between the two of them was all awesome.
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Speaker 2: It was just any moment where a dad can look
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Speaker 2: at his sun and be like, I'm proud of you.
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Speaker 2: It's just such a cool thing. I don't think he
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Speaker 2: is a playboy. I think you can get that vibe
19:11
Speaker 2: from him. I do think his daughter would have told us,
19:14
Speaker 2: or she wouldn't have been so invested into signing him up.
19:18
Speaker 2: Why would you want to sign your dad up? Yeah,
19:21
Speaker 2: if you knew he was just out there living his
19:23
Speaker 2: life in Chicago dating every you know, person that existed.
19:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably has that past, which is like why
19:30
Speaker 3: it comes across like very naturally for him. Yeah, not real,
19:34
Speaker 3: but like he just doesn't want it for the future.
19:36
Speaker 3: He's probably just tired of it. I mean, because that
19:38
Speaker 3: does get tiring. I was gonna say, and let's not
19:41
Speaker 3: forget these people in their sixties.
19:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, like at some point you're like, I'm exhausted, I mean,
19:45
Speaker 2: like gotten too tired. One Yeah, that's I'm good for now.
20:00
Speaker 2: The next day that we see Jordan still in Chicago,
20:03
Speaker 2: Chicago's looking beautiful.
20:05
Speaker 4: It is a ton of fun. It's a great city
20:06
Speaker 4: if you haven't been.
20:07
Speaker 3: How nice for everybody to be able to do two
20:10
Speaker 3: days in Chicago, hang out.
20:12
Speaker 4: For almost a full week in Chicago.
20:13
Speaker 3: What a dream, What a great time of year to
20:15
Speaker 3: be there.
20:16
Speaker 4: It was awesome.
20:17
Speaker 2: Now Jordan has been the one out of all four
20:19
Speaker 2: of these guys that I was like, hey, he seems great.
20:23
Speaker 2: This isn't going to work. No, there is nothing here.
20:27
Speaker 3: Well, I feel very tied between him and and Guy.
20:32
Speaker 3: I just feel like the two of them just both
20:34
Speaker 3: like was like, let's just x them out.
20:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan's family is super sweet. Not a ton to
20:40
Speaker 2: come from this date for me. Outside of his family
20:42
Speaker 2: being very sweet, his family also being very clear that
20:46
Speaker 2: their dad is not is not somebody who expresses himself,
20:51
Speaker 2: especially romantically, very easily or often. And I think we've
20:57
Speaker 2: seen that this season. I think that's been very clear.
21:00
Speaker 3: He's never said I'm like in love with somebody since
21:03
Speaker 3: the mom It's been ten years, and I just I
21:07
Speaker 3: actually just don't think that he felt it with her.
21:10
Speaker 3: I think that he was like, this is a really
21:12
Speaker 3: pretty nice lady, and I like hanging out with her,
21:14
Speaker 3: and if she wants to like hang out more, sounds
21:17
Speaker 3: good to me. But I just because he didn't even
21:19
Speaker 3: seem that disappointed when he got eliminated.
21:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think he saw the writing on the wall.
21:24
Speaker 2: I think he also has been around the house for
21:26
Speaker 2: long enough to know that there's the Chalks of the
21:28
Speaker 2: world who were very who are very invested. Yeah, and
21:32
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm not close to being there in fact,
21:35
Speaker 2: I haven't really told her I like her yet.
21:38
Speaker 4: We've had one date.
21:39
Speaker 2: Like, I'm good here and I'm not ready to make
21:42
Speaker 2: these big leaps and bounds. But I think it was
21:47
Speaker 2: is a great choice for the Top four because he's
21:49
Speaker 2: a good guy who's fun to be around. They enjoyed
21:54
Speaker 2: each other's company, and I think Joan was like, if
21:58
Speaker 2: it's anybody here at this point, this dude feels like
22:00
Speaker 2: one that I'd like to hang out with for another day.
22:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good date.
22:05
Speaker 3: Let me just say that. I feel like the timeframe
22:09
Speaker 3: with Golden really kicks in at Hometowns because it's a
22:13
Speaker 3: couple of weeks shorter filming. It's weird to be bringing
22:17
Speaker 3: these guys home after such little time with them. I
22:20
Speaker 3: feel like, do.
22:22
Speaker 4: You I do?
22:24
Speaker 2: I mean, I honestly would argue that hometowns could be
22:26
Speaker 2: early in the season on every season.
22:28
Speaker 3: I almost feel like we okay, all right, Well.
22:32
Speaker 2: Just because I think it's so valuable, it's so important.
22:35
Speaker 2: They're fun, they're unique, and you get a picture of
22:40
Speaker 2: each other's lives, and I think for me, at least,
22:43
Speaker 2: hometowns have always been at place where you learn so
22:48
Speaker 2: much more in such a short amount of time about
22:49
Speaker 2: that human that I would argue hometowns, if it was
22:52
Speaker 2: logistically possible, could exist within the first couple, like first
22:56
Speaker 2: month of the show, just so you can be like, yeah.
22:58
Speaker 4: You know what, I don't really like that. Family freaks
23:01
Speaker 4: me out.
23:03
Speaker 3: You know, maybe you're right because when I when Jared
23:07
Speaker 3: and I were just off the first Paradise and I
23:11
Speaker 3: kind of formed a hometown date for us and like
23:14
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of other people from the show. But
23:16
Speaker 3: Jared came and slept over at my parents' house with
23:19
Speaker 3: about eight other people from that season of Paradise, and
23:23
Speaker 3: I really made it feel intentionally but nobody would know
23:27
Speaker 3: that like a hometown And that's when his opinion of
23:31
Speaker 3: me like totally flipped.
23:35
Speaker 4: Hears sneaky little you know.
23:39
Speaker 3: I made sure that Jared's flight was the one of
23:41
Speaker 3: the last flights that would go out so that he
23:43
Speaker 3: could watch football with my family.
23:46
Speaker 4: You are wild, and it worked.
23:50
Speaker 2: You are wild, Uh, always up to something the Yeah,
23:55
Speaker 2: So that would be my point is I don't think
23:57
Speaker 2: this is weird.
23:57
Speaker 4: I don't find it weird.
23:58
Speaker 2: I think family can meet the person you're dating, especially
24:03
Speaker 2: within this environment, fairly quickly I've always found it a
24:08
Speaker 2: fun date, and Chalk's date, though kind of like their
24:14
Speaker 2: relationship was the heaviest of them all. It was heavy
24:21
Speaker 2: in the sense that, like at times, I was having
24:23
Speaker 2: a hard time watching it because I was thinking, if
24:26
Speaker 2: they don't end up together, and goodness gracious, now I
24:29
Speaker 2: hope they do. This is a very intimate day and
24:34
Speaker 2: moment that all of these humans will have in their
24:39
Speaker 2: memory forever. I want them together now. Because of the
24:46
Speaker 2: celebration that they had, I thought it was beautiful. And
24:48
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, it was just heavy, and the
24:51
Speaker 2: others were not heavy. Yeah, and heavy heavy for obvious reasons. Right,
24:56
Speaker 2: he just lost his mom. That makes sense, Like, there's
24:59
Speaker 2: no this isn't a bad thing. It just felt like
25:03
Speaker 2: to me, if Joan was not telling the producers this
25:07
Speaker 2: is the guy, yeah, then this would have never happened
25:09
Speaker 2: this way, because there's no way they would have had
25:13
Speaker 2: her pick up dirt and bury this tree in memory
25:17
Speaker 2: of his late mother if she was going to break
25:21
Speaker 2: his heart.
25:22
Speaker 3: Like the next week, you're so so right, good point.
25:26
Speaker 3: She's definitely saying things behind the scenes. The most touching
25:29
Speaker 3: moment for me during this was when he was talking
25:32
Speaker 3: to Kathy's dad. So Kathy is Chuck's his girlfriend fiance
25:40
Speaker 3: who passed away, and it says something about him that
25:45
Speaker 3: he has kept such in touch with her father that
25:49
Speaker 3: he feels like a family member like that. It just
25:54
Speaker 3: because like in a way, it's kind of it's definitely
25:58
Speaker 3: not weird, but it's interesting. Well it's because she passed,
26:07
Speaker 3: but to have like an in law there would just
26:12
Speaker 3: not be typical. But I like it. I like it
26:15
Speaker 3: a lot.
26:15
Speaker 4: I like it a lot.
26:16
Speaker 2: I mean I would, I would think, and I think
26:19
Speaker 2: you'd agree with this, Ashley. But if something were to
26:22
Speaker 2: happen to me, which Jessica's still home, she hasn't gone
26:25
Speaker 2: to work yet. She can hear me say this. She's
26:28
Speaker 2: already crying. I bet so if something were to happen
26:31
Speaker 2: to me, my hope and my prayer would be that
26:36
Speaker 2: my parents would stay a part of her life, no
26:38
Speaker 2: matter what chapter she moves on to next one.
26:41
Speaker 3: Because there's grandkids, yeah of course when yeah, but in
26:45
Speaker 3: this case, he doesn't have grandkids with Kathy.
26:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, good point.
26:50
Speaker 2: But my hope would be that, you know, she would
26:53
Speaker 2: keep them involved because it would mean a lot to them.
26:57
Speaker 2: It just means a lot to me to have that
26:59
Speaker 2: piece of knowing that, you know, my parents are still
27:01
Speaker 2: connected to a family, to a community of some kind,
27:06
Speaker 2: that they can still feel love and have these moments together.
27:10
Speaker 4: I think it's it.
27:11
Speaker 2: It says a lot about Chok and I have nothing
27:14
Speaker 2: but good things to say about this dude, because even
27:16
Speaker 2: when he talks to her, he's intentional, he is caring,
27:20
Speaker 2: he is considerate.
27:23
Speaker 4: I think what I don't.
27:24
Speaker 2: I want to be clear, everything we said earlier about
27:27
Speaker 2: the Pascal Chalk comparison is not saying that Chok is
27:29
Speaker 2: not the right guy for her, nor is he a
27:31
Speaker 2: bad guy at any level. It's just saying I think
27:35
Speaker 2: Chok wants to marry this woman and it's ready for us,
27:39
Speaker 2: and I don't know if she's ready for that.
27:41
Speaker 3: For the intensity, Yeah, we really like Chock. I really
27:45
Speaker 3: like this guy. I really like the relationship that he
27:47
Speaker 3: has with this guy. And I love that he said,
27:52
Speaker 3: we're ready for you to be family if you want that.
27:55
Speaker 2: Yes, it's sweet this and that was That's the point
27:59
Speaker 2: of this day to me, was it was so sweet
28:02
Speaker 2: the whole time.
28:03
Speaker 4: All those other dates.
28:04
Speaker 2: Though we're fairly lighthearted, we're fairly just like come check
28:08
Speaker 2: out my family, Come see where I live, Come celebrate
28:11
Speaker 2: the salon this. This felt like one of those days
28:16
Speaker 2: that as a married couple, you know want you or
28:19
Speaker 2: your partner are hurting and the other partner has to
28:22
Speaker 2: step up and do this. The side of this, though,
28:26
Speaker 2: that I would I would be shocked by. I don't
28:28
Speaker 2: know if Joan knew that they were going to have
28:30
Speaker 2: this much like kind of they were going to do
28:34
Speaker 2: this celebration during the date. I think this probably got
28:38
Speaker 2: thrown on her. And if I was Joan, this would
28:41
Speaker 2: have been one of the moments that you get in
28:42
Speaker 2: the car with the producers on the way back and
28:44
Speaker 2: you guys, and you're like, never again. You should have
28:46
Speaker 2: told me that this was going to happen. You should
28:49
Speaker 2: have prepped me for this. You should have warmed me.
28:50
Speaker 2: And maybe they did. I don't know, but I know
28:53
Speaker 2: in my experience there's moments where they throw you into
28:56
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you're like, I have to
28:58
Speaker 2: step up in a way that I was not expecting
29:01
Speaker 2: to have to step up today. I'm not against doing it.
29:04
Speaker 2: It's not something you know, foreign to me. However, it
29:07
Speaker 2: would have been nice if you would have given me
29:08
Speaker 2: a little bit of a heads up that hey, or
29:11
Speaker 2: the whole family, like forty people are going to be here, yeah,
29:14
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be you know, they're going to
29:15
Speaker 2: be celebrating his late mother.
29:18
Speaker 3: I don't think that conversation happened because I think she
29:21
Speaker 3: wanted to be part of it. I think she was
29:22
Speaker 3: ready for this because you can see how much differently
29:27
Speaker 3: she feels with him than the others through their physical connection.
29:30
Speaker 3: You were talking about how we didn't think that she
29:32
Speaker 3: was getting you know, real physical with any of these guys.
29:37
Speaker 3: She did. On those goodbye kisses with him, they were
29:41
Speaker 3: making out.
29:42
Speaker 2: Which is a marker of if you're into somebody or not. Yes,
29:49
Speaker 2: the other side of this and Ashley, I could be
29:51
Speaker 2: just wrong. It felt like when she talked to the family,
29:55
Speaker 2: Chalk's family, he was the only one that she was like,
29:58
Speaker 2: I am head over heels for this.
30:00
Speaker 4: All the others she was like.
30:01
Speaker 2: I'm worried that maybe he's not as into me as
30:03
Speaker 2: I am, you know, and all these things. There was
30:07
Speaker 2: always these concerns. Yeah, but it felt like with Chalk,
30:10
Speaker 2: she sat down, I was like, I am head over
30:12
Speaker 2: heels for this guy. Yeah, it felt like she was
30:14
Speaker 2: trying to tell them during the hometown Hey, this is
30:18
Speaker 2: going to be the two of us at the end.
30:19
Speaker 4: Are you ready for that?
30:21
Speaker 3: So Joan, there you go. The two paths that you
30:25
Speaker 3: have are either fun and light or.
30:30
Speaker 4: This which which is gonna be great, which is great too,
30:35
Speaker 4: if you're ready for it.
30:36
Speaker 2: It's gonna be great. And I think he's gonna treat
30:38
Speaker 2: you really well. That's this week's episode of The Golden Bachelorette. Obviously,
30:42
Speaker 2: Jordan does go home as we mentioned earlier, and the
30:44
Speaker 2: rest of them are flying off to Tahiti for the
30:47
Speaker 2: final few episodes of this amazing season that I think
30:51
Speaker 2: has been absolutely incredible. I am intrigued, I'm excited, and
30:55
Speaker 2: so until next week, I've been Ben, I've been Ashley.
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Speaker 3: Siya.
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