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- 0:02Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What what's going to happen?
- 0:12Speaker 1: I think what?
- 0:24Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to another edition of seven seven seven. I
- 0:29Speaker 2: am joined by my co host Nick Nick. Tell him
- 0:31Speaker 2: what you've been up to?
- 0:32Speaker 1: What is going on?
- 0:33Speaker 3: Uh?
- 0:33Speaker 4: When I was today, I was actually finishing editing up
- 0:36Speaker 4: a new show, a new episode for.
- 0:39Speaker 1: It, so on that.
- 0:40Speaker 4: And I think he's considered that, Oh yeah, he might
- 0:42Speaker 4: be a gnostic dude. I'm trying to think if he's
- 0:45Speaker 4: a Gnostic saint or not in the OTO or through
- 0:48Speaker 4: the EGC. But I do think he's considered a gnostic.
- 0:51Speaker 4: This guy Manny and Manichism.
- 0:54Speaker 2: Yet, well he's an extreme duelist, right, and this is
- 0:57Speaker 2: where we get our Manichy and terminology from yo.
- 1:00Speaker 4: That guy was he was fucking pretty serious with like
- 1:04Speaker 4: the nose and don't you know what I found really
- 1:07Speaker 4: interesting about him? And I was like, all right, I'm
- 1:09Speaker 4: not the only fucking sick fuck that thinks this way.
- 1:12Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with people having kids. I
- 1:14Speaker 4: just decide not to. But he did say he thought
- 1:17Speaker 4: that people having kids is just perpetuating the issue misery.
- 1:22Speaker 1: Yep.
- 1:23Speaker 2: It's always something funny I find about all these radical
- 1:26Speaker 2: duelists is that they're anti natalists. You know, they don't
- 1:30Speaker 2: believe that having more children is good because they believe
- 1:33Speaker 2: this world is evil.
- 1:34Speaker 4: It's very Yeah, Well the way I look at it
- 1:37Speaker 4: is like I don't look at it so much as
- 1:40Speaker 4: a prison planet, but I guess I do it to
- 1:41Speaker 4: a point to where it's like, well, you don't have
- 1:43Speaker 4: any prisoners. If there's no prisoners, there's no prison right,
- 1:47Speaker 4: so us obviously keeping the race going is going to
- 1:50Speaker 4: keep the prison open.
- 1:52Speaker 2: It shows an extreme amount of faith and aestheticism. Right
- 1:55Speaker 2: when people can say it, oh, we're ending at all,
- 1:57Speaker 2: it's like, wow, you're just gonna take all of this
- 2:00Speaker 2: world for granted and just throw it all away. So
- 2:03Speaker 2: if it is a prison planet, that's that's what hell
- 2:05Speaker 2: of a sacrifice. I think we have a good impact
- 2:10Speaker 2: on the world for the part I mean. So today
- 2:14Speaker 2: I wanted to go take a little bit of a detour.
- 2:17Speaker 2: We've been doing the whole Alistair Crowley seven seven seventh thing,
- 2:20Speaker 2: but there's a really good video by Gnostic Informat where
- 2:24Speaker 2: he's breaking down the golden ratio and how it applies
- 2:27Speaker 2: to Jamatria in the Bible and to five, and so
- 2:31Speaker 2: I thought we could just do a live reaction to it,
- 2:34Speaker 2: and so I will bring that up here.
- 2:37Speaker 3: Now.
- 2:37Speaker 2: Nastic in Format has a pretty influential channel where he's
- 2:40Speaker 2: going over a lot of biblical mysteries and biblical stuff,
- 2:44Speaker 2: but this one is less about the text and more
- 2:48Speaker 2: about sort of the origin of why people think that
- 2:52Speaker 2: there is a Bible code. And we see in seven
- 2:55Speaker 2: seven seven over and over again he's often referring to
- 2:58Speaker 2: this Bible code, and I think it requires more fleshing out.
- 3:02Speaker 2: So I thought a quick detour might help people understand
- 3:07Speaker 2: what we've been talking about on this show just a
- 3:09Speaker 2: little bit better. So let's start her up. And anytime
- 3:12Speaker 2: you want me to.
- 3:13Speaker 1: Just let me just let me just remind the listeners.
- 3:16Speaker 1: I've mentioned this guy.
- 3:17Speaker 4: I've tagged him because he you know, on Twitter, unless
- 3:20Speaker 4: unless you follow each other back, you can't. You can't
- 3:22Speaker 4: DMN somebody and I have tagged this guy or commented
- 3:26Speaker 4: on his shit about coming on the show, and he said, yeah,
- 3:28Speaker 4: it's just I can't get in touch with them. So
- 3:30Speaker 4: the listeners, if anybody's active on social media, go over
- 3:33Speaker 4: there and tag it you and be like when you're
- 3:34Speaker 4: going on the Occult Rejects because he said yes.
- 3:36Speaker 2: Thanks, So we need the mob effect. So if you,
- 3:39Speaker 2: even if you're watching this later, get out there and say, hey,
- 3:43Speaker 2: nastick it for me. Why don't you go on the
- 3:45Speaker 2: occult rejects. They like your stuff and it would be
- 3:48Speaker 2: a great interview, is starting point. So yeah, just let's
- 3:53Speaker 2: let's make it happen. Everybody, thank you, all right, so
- 3:55Speaker 2: let's start it here.
- 3:58Speaker 5: I wanted to jump on here and do respond to
- 4:00Speaker 5: some of the comments I get about my introduction of
- 4:03Speaker 5: my live streams. Yesterday I did a whole video on
- 4:06Speaker 5: the Platonic influence on Genesis, mostly from Plato's Tomais, but
- 4:11Speaker 5: also other texts like The Statesman's describes a paradise or
- 4:16Speaker 5: garden of eating like fig place and close to Genesis. Anyways,
- 4:21Speaker 5: the introduction of my videos usually show the movie Pie,
- 4:26Speaker 5: where there's this guy sitting in a bar talking to
- 4:28Speaker 5: a rabbi and he tells them that the Torah is
- 4:31Speaker 5: like a code sent from God.
- 4:35Speaker 2: Right, this is not the first sort of biblical movie
- 4:39Speaker 2: that he's done. He also did that Noah movie, so
- 4:42Speaker 2: he is very deep into this whole Bible code thing.
- 4:48Speaker 6: Towar is just a long string of numbers. Some say
- 4:51Speaker 6: that it's a code sent to us from God.
- 4:54Speaker 1: And the guy who's like, oh, that's interesting, he'said, oh,
- 4:55Speaker 1: that's kids stuff. Check this out.
- 4:57Speaker 5: Garden of Eden condemned and the the Tree of Knowledge
- 5:01Speaker 5: of good and evil. That's the kayem. It's two thirty
- 5:05Speaker 5: three and one four.
- 5:07Speaker 2: That's kind of interesting.
- 5:08Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just get stuff. Check this out.
- 5:10Speaker 6: Okay, the word for the Garden of Eden hit them
- 5:15Speaker 6: miracle translation. Now the value of Tree of Knowledge right
- 5:20Speaker 6: in the garden right as a jayam.
- 5:24Speaker 1: Two thirty three to thirty three.
- 5:27Speaker 5: You can take. You divide those up, and then other
- 5:29Speaker 5: guy cuts them off and goes, that's Fibonacci sequence.
- 5:31Speaker 1: Fibonacci. You can take those numbers, so you know, like
- 5:37Speaker 1: the Fibonacci sequence. Fibonacci.
- 5:41Speaker 5: Fibonacci's an Italian mathematician in the thirteenth century.
- 5:47Speaker 2: If you divide one hundred and forty four into two
- 5:50Speaker 2: hundred and thirty three, the result approaches data theta data
- 5:58Speaker 2: Greek symbol colden ratio golden spiral.
- 6:04Speaker 1: Wow, I never saw that before.
- 6:09Speaker 6: That's like that series you find in nature, like the
- 6:12Speaker 6: face of a sunflower.
- 6:15Speaker 2: The spirals.
- 6:17Speaker 1: You see this math everywhere.
- 6:18Speaker 6: See.
- 6:19Speaker 2: Now, he doesn't really get into it too much, but
- 6:22Speaker 2: I woant to especially stress exactly why they they look
- 6:27Speaker 2: at FI as being such an important number for the
- 6:29Speaker 2: Greeks is because it's repeated over and over and over
- 6:33Speaker 2: again in nature. And so when they're basing all of
- 6:36Speaker 2: their art and technology and mathematics on this number, it's
- 6:41Speaker 2: specifically because all of these things are repeating over and
- 6:45Speaker 2: over again in nature. So this is like following the
- 6:48Speaker 2: path of the gods or the number numerical values that
- 6:52Speaker 2: you find in nature first. So you know, he gives
- 6:56Speaker 2: a lot of credit to the Greeks in this one.
- 6:58Speaker 2: But I'd say it's.
- 6:59Speaker 4: Wonder I wonder if that's why Nazis are so big
- 7:02Speaker 4: into botany. I always wondered that because of that stuff.
- 7:06Speaker 2: Two, they were huge in trying to figure out the
- 7:09Speaker 2: laws of nature and the base code of reality. Yeah,
- 7:15Speaker 2: that's what they were.
- 7:15Speaker 1: It's really good. Head plans would be great for that.
- 7:18Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's make up everything Golden ratio.
- 7:23Speaker 5: That's the ancient Greeks mathematics.
- 7:26Speaker 3: Come on, let's go to ancient Greece to the time
- 7:29Speaker 3: of the Thagoras, the master aghead of them all, the
- 7:33Speaker 3: father of mathematics and music. You'll find mathematics in the
- 7:38Speaker 3: hindest places. What first on, need to strength, stretch it
- 7:44Speaker 3: good and tight. Plucket, Now divide in half. Plunk again.
- 7:49Speaker 3: You see it's the same tone, one octave higher. Now
- 7:52Speaker 3: divide the next section and the next. The Thigorists discovered
- 7:57Speaker 3: the octave had a ratio of two to one with
- 8:00Speaker 3: simple fractions. He got this how many numbers developed the
- 8:08Speaker 3: musical scale of today.
- 8:12Speaker 2: So it's not just in the visual representation, it's also
- 8:16Speaker 2: in sound. Right, So these are natural expressions of fire
- 8:21Speaker 2: that get repeated over and over again. This is why
- 8:24Speaker 2: you would want to encode things in this ratio. Also
- 8:28Speaker 2: why we see it happening again and again in seven
- 8:31Speaker 2: seven seven. He's paying attention to things like the Fibonacci
- 8:35Speaker 2: sequence when it comes to the numbering of words. Just
- 8:39Speaker 2: a very relevant thing when it when it comes to
- 8:41Speaker 2: this stuff.
- 8:49Speaker 3: You can imagine how excited the Thagoras was when he
- 8:51Speaker 3: shared his findings with his Pearls, a fraternity of Higgins
- 8:53Speaker 3: known as the Pagarians. They used to be in secret
- 8:56Speaker 3: to discuss their mathematical discoveries these were allowed to attend.
- 9:08Speaker 2: So again, colleges, what's that?
- 9:11Speaker 1: Did they really do that with a pentagram on their head?
- 9:13Speaker 6: Yeah?
- 9:15Speaker 2: Oh sure, okay, And it's it's funny that a guy like, uh,
- 9:19Speaker 2: you know, Walt Disney would be producing this because he
- 9:23Speaker 2: is a member of one of those secret societies. He
- 9:26Speaker 2: was a member of the what's the children's order for
- 9:30Speaker 2: the Freemasons called the d Malay Society. He was never
- 9:35Speaker 2: a full member of the Masons. But if this is
- 9:38Speaker 2: what they're teaching in the d. Malay Society, that's pretty interesting.
- 9:42Speaker 2: But again, all of this stuff used to be passed
- 9:44Speaker 2: on from generation to generation through the mystery schools, which, uh,
- 9:48Speaker 2: the Freemasons are a certain iteration of.
- 9:55Speaker 3: Let's see what the time it is for today. It
- 10:22Speaker 3: was our old friend Pythagoras who discovered that the pentagram
- 10:25Speaker 3: was full of mathematic The two shorter lines combined exactly
- 10:31Speaker 3: equal the third, and this line shows the magic proportions
- 10:34Speaker 3: of the famous golden section. The second and third lines
- 10:38Speaker 3: exactly equal the fourth. Once again we have the golden section.
- 10:42Speaker 3: But this is only the beginning. Hidden within the pentagram
- 10:46Speaker 3: is a secret for creating a golden rectangle, which the
- 10:48Speaker 3: Greeks admired for its beautiful proportions and magic qualities. The
- 10:52Speaker 3: star contains the golden rectangle many times over.
- 11:09Speaker 2: Just a quick note, though, what was the guest we
- 11:12Speaker 2: had on who was talking about constructing sacred geometry and
- 11:18Speaker 2: then realizing, Hey, this is like a portal in a
- 11:20Speaker 2: whole other world. You got to make this stuff firsthand
- 11:25Speaker 2: so that you can actually experience it. Once you could
- 11:28Speaker 2: start to go through the steps to create these different
- 11:31Speaker 2: you know, ratios and numbers in your own hands, it
- 11:36Speaker 2: becomes like a portal. And this is why you use
- 11:39Speaker 2: the sacred geometry in magic, right. So this is very
- 11:44Speaker 2: applicable to what's coming up next.
- 11:54Speaker 3: It's the most remarkable shape. It can mathematically reproduce itself indefinitely.
- 12:03Speaker 3: All these rectangles have exactly the same proportions. This figure
- 12:12Speaker 3: also contains a magic spiral that repeats the proportions of
- 12:15Speaker 3: the golden section into infinity. To the Greeks, the golden
- 12:19Speaker 3: rectangle represented a mathematical law of beauty. We find it
- 12:22Speaker 3: in their classical architecture. The Parthena, perhaps one of the
- 12:26Speaker 3: most famous early Greek buildings, contains many golden rectangles. The Erichthion,
- 12:47Speaker 3: these same golden proportions are also found in their sculpture.
- 12:57Speaker 2: So again, all of this math maath is found in
- 13:01Speaker 2: the human form as well, and in perfect proportion to
- 13:05Speaker 2: one another. It creates the type of beauty that the
- 13:08Speaker 2: Greeks were obsessed with. So they're saying, not only is
- 13:12Speaker 2: it found in plants, not only is it found in
- 13:15Speaker 2: all of these other places, it's found the inside of
- 13:18Speaker 2: the form that we are brought into it. It's very
- 13:22Speaker 2: much about insoling or informing the sacred or the beauty
- 13:29Speaker 2: beyond imagine. Right. So when they talk about the forms
- 13:35Speaker 2: of Plato, right, so his sacred idea of the forms,
- 13:38Speaker 2: the perfect forms, this is what they're talking about. This
- 13:42Speaker 2: is this is how it is I think accurately applied.
- 13:46Speaker 4: What do you think, nick I was gonna say, I
- 13:50Speaker 4: even do mentioned that stuff in the Sacred geometry series
- 13:52Speaker 4: I have is that you know, even some of the
- 13:55Speaker 4: ones that would look like oh wow, like that looks
- 13:57Speaker 4: so plain, it's actually built like that. Especially like a
- 14:01Speaker 4: lot of like the columns in the square looking shit.
- 14:05Speaker 2: So absolute.
- 14:06Speaker 4: Yeah, when they said that and they started showing the architecture,
- 14:09Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this sounds familiar.
- 14:12Speaker 2: Right, and this is going to get into Jamatria in
- 14:14Speaker 2: just a minute. But I thought, you know this is
- 14:17Speaker 2: this is the perfect application. This is why the Kabbala
- 14:20Speaker 2: is so important, is because it goes back into this
- 14:23Speaker 2: Greek stuff.
- 14:30Speaker 3: In the centuries that followed, the Golden Rectangle dominated the
- 14:33Speaker 3: idea of beauty and architecture throughout the Western world. The
- 14:36Speaker 3: cathedral of Notre Dame is an outstanding example. The Renaissance
- 14:41Speaker 3: painters knew this secret well. Think of a pentagram donald
- 14:50Speaker 3: now another inside, a third and a fourth. No pencil
- 14:54Speaker 3: is sharp enough to draw as fine as you can think.
- 14:56Speaker 3: I have no paper, lark there, it is.
- 14:59Speaker 2: No pencil is sharp enough to draw a form as
- 15:02Speaker 2: sharp as you can think. Right. So this is where
- 15:06Speaker 2: magic really starts to come in. Is because if you
- 15:08Speaker 2: could start to construct this on paper, you can construct
- 15:11Speaker 2: it in your mind a lot more. Finally, this is
- 15:15Speaker 2: what's you know, sharpening your imagination, creating something that is
- 15:19Speaker 2: beyond even replication. Right, this is why the mind is
- 15:24Speaker 2: closer to God.
- 15:25Speaker 1: Right. The news the news, yes, yo, when I when I.
- 15:33Speaker 4: Yeah, when I covered Platinus, like a lot of the stuff,
- 15:37Speaker 4: like I will be told a lot of stuff I'll read,
- 15:39Speaker 4: so then if I don't hear it pronounced, sometimes I'm
- 15:41Speaker 4: just like saying it wrong.
- 15:43Speaker 1: And I think I called a noose or whatever. I
- 15:45Speaker 1: called it something no now or some shit like that.
- 15:48Speaker 4: The whole episode bro and then when I fucking I went,
- 15:52Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, why don't I have
- 15:53Speaker 4: a feeling I'm saying this wrong? And I threw it
- 15:56Speaker 4: into an app to say it, and I was like, motherfucker.
- 15:58Speaker 4: I had to go through the whole show and edit
- 16:00Speaker 4: every fucking time I said that, I wanted to blow
- 16:02Speaker 4: my brains out.
- 16:04Speaker 1: Oh man, I must have said it like fifty times.
- 16:06Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean, it's a huge
- 16:08Speaker 1: thing in that.
- 16:08Speaker 2: Stuff, right, Like I was thinking about the noose of Zeus,
- 16:13Speaker 2: right because in the in the that's good, I like that.
- 16:17Speaker 2: Yet in the Orphic Hymns they talk about all things
- 16:20Speaker 2: around his head is altered shine, right, So in the
- 16:24Speaker 2: Orphic Hymn they're talking about the noose of Zeus. Basically
- 16:27Speaker 2: he's the he's the creator of the matrix, right, so
- 16:32Speaker 2: you know they make it clear. And also you've got
- 16:35Speaker 2: Athena who springs from the head of Zeus and Athena
- 16:38Speaker 2: is wisdom. So it's it's sort of like this is
- 16:41Speaker 2: the manifestation of the noose of Zeus, or like the
- 16:45Speaker 2: logos of it. But you know, it's it's a different theology.
- 16:51Speaker 2: But you know, once you understand it, it's not hard
- 16:54Speaker 2: to see why it would be copied over and over again,
- 16:57Speaker 2: kind of like this golden ratio.
- 17:00Speaker 3: In fact, it is only in the mind that we
- 17:02Speaker 3: can conceive infinity. Mathematical thinking has opened the doors to
- 17:06Speaker 3: the exciting adventures of science. Each discovery leads to many others,
- 17:15Speaker 3: an endless chain. Of course, they are lot these are
- 17:24Speaker 3: the doors of the future, and the key is right, mathematics,
- 17:30Speaker 3: the boundless treasures of science are locked behind those doors.
- 17:34Speaker 3: In time, they will be opened by the curious and
- 17:36Speaker 3: enquiring minds of future generations.
- 17:40Speaker 2: In the words of Galilee, isn't that interesting? So they're
- 17:44Speaker 2: throwing a little bit more magical thinking into this this
- 17:47Speaker 2: whole milieu by talking about the doors of the future
- 17:51Speaker 2: are open through mathematics. Our mathematics hasn't progressed at all
- 17:55Speaker 2: since the nineteen seventies, right, we're still stuck on stupid
- 17:59Speaker 2: with the string theory and all of the rest of
- 18:02Speaker 2: these things that are not really progressing human understanding. There
- 18:06Speaker 2: might be more and better things, but not accepted in
- 18:09Speaker 2: the world of science. So what they're talking about here
- 18:13Speaker 2: is breaking everything down into numerical values and using those
- 18:17Speaker 2: numerical values to construct models, to predict the future and
- 18:21Speaker 2: to create these different systems. And we're still stuck in
- 18:25Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies. So if you even take this short
- 18:30Speaker 2: thing seriously, which I think you should, they're saying that
- 18:35Speaker 2: the doors of the future are kind of being closed
- 18:37Speaker 2: right now.
- 18:38Speaker 3: So mathematics is the alphabet with which God.
- 18:44Speaker 5: Has written the universe, the spiral that you see in nature, sunflowers,
- 18:51Speaker 5: human embryos, galaxies, beautiful faces, the mark of beauty, the
- 18:57Speaker 5: market of God.
- 18:58Speaker 1: Good itself up what we said, we have that in
- 19:02Speaker 1: our cornea. That's well too, yes we do.
- 19:06Speaker 2: And if you look at the proportions of the eyeball itself,
- 19:09Speaker 2: you've got the outer circle, the inner circle, the inner
- 19:12Speaker 2: inner circle, all of these things. Go buy the Fibonacci sequence.
- 19:17Speaker 1: Oh, even the heart.
- 19:17Speaker 4: They think about the heart, how that kind of actually
- 19:19Speaker 4: wraps up tell you the truth, If you think about it,
- 19:21Speaker 4: you unravel a heart's.
- 19:23Speaker 2: Yea the heart is kind of a fibonaci spiral right
- 19:28Speaker 2: there in the middle.
- 19:28Speaker 5: Yeah, the Greeks used to build their temples based on
- 19:34Speaker 5: the ratio of what it's known as fi. Now the
- 19:37Speaker 5: movie calls it theta. I have no idea why it's
- 19:40Speaker 5: not theta, it's fee. So the movie's wrong about that,
- 19:43Speaker 5: but the movie is correct. People ask me this all
- 19:46Speaker 5: the time. Here's the answer. They say, is that really
- 19:48Speaker 5: in the Bible or is that made up? Is hetze
- 19:51Speaker 5: kayem and condemn when we do gamatria and get their
- 19:55Speaker 5: numerology when we divide it up, is that the golden ratio?
- 19:59Speaker 1: The answer is. And people asking what about the Greek side,
- 20:02Speaker 1: the septuagen is that is that in there too? No,
- 20:04Speaker 1: it's not.
- 20:05Speaker 5: The Greek does not have the golden ratio. The Hebrew does. So,
- 20:10Speaker 5: by the way, first of all, this is weird, also.
- 20:12Speaker 2: Very important to note because you've got people like Lady
- 20:17Speaker 2: Babylon sixty sixty six that says that it was written
- 20:19Speaker 2: originally in uh in Greek. If it was, it would
- 20:25Speaker 2: be an isopsific values, which would be the Greek version. Yeah,
- 20:29Speaker 2: totally different exactly. So you do have that sort of
- 20:34Speaker 2: proof there If it's supposed to be mathematically perfect i e.
- 20:37Speaker 2: From God, then you've got to go with the Hebrew
- 20:41Speaker 2: version instead of the Greek version. So that is a
- 20:45Speaker 2: kind of another proof.
- 20:45Speaker 5: There, because the Greeks are the ones who invented gamatria.
- 20:52Speaker 5: The word gamatra is not even a Hebrew word, it's
- 20:54Speaker 5: a Greek word. It has no Semitic etymology. It's the
- 20:58Speaker 5: same etymology where we get the word geometry from Greek mathematics.
- 21:02Speaker 1: Isopsophy they call it.
- 21:04Speaker 5: And this is Pythagorean numerology, mysticism even the early Now
- 21:09Speaker 5: he doesn't.
- 21:09Speaker 2: Really get into it too much, but the idea is
- 21:13Speaker 2: that isopsaphy is just where you put a little dot
- 21:17Speaker 2: over each Greek letter representing a number, and so you
- 21:21Speaker 2: would have to know the numbering system to transform what
- 21:26Speaker 2: is first a Greek letter into a number. And what
- 21:30Speaker 2: do we see right here? Eight eight eight, fourteen eighty right,
- 21:35Speaker 2: All of these different numerical values in here are different
- 21:40Speaker 2: from Greek to Hebrew. But this is isopsophy being combined
- 21:45Speaker 2: with jamatri. Jamatri is you know, generally more of a
- 21:48Speaker 2: Hebrew thing.
- 21:51Speaker 5: Christians, we're big into this. Eight eight eight is Jesus
- 21:55Speaker 5: he's the divine logos. There's eight monads in the Greek alphabet.
- 21:58Speaker 5: When you drop the digama out, there's eight du odds
- 22:02Speaker 5: and there's eight triples eight eight eight, which is the
- 22:07Speaker 5: dermatria of Jesus. Jesus in Greek, he's the logos incardinate.
- 22:11Speaker 5: That's very interesting that Valentinians were obsessed with this. There's facilities,
- 22:15Speaker 5: the facility.
- 22:15Speaker 2: This is why I wanted to do this one, because
- 22:19Speaker 2: you've been working on Valentinus first.
- 22:21Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yo' it's funny. I even went through the
- 22:25Speaker 4: script again last night and like edited again. I'm like, yo,
- 22:27Speaker 4: I just need to fucking record this thing. I'm like
- 22:30Speaker 4: stuck on the script for like weeks.
- 22:34Speaker 2: Right, So, yeah, is Valentinus obsessed with this, this sort
- 22:39Speaker 2: of numbering of God.
- 22:42Speaker 4: Yeah, from what I got out of it, he was
- 22:43Speaker 4: pretty Uh he was big into that, and I think
- 22:47Speaker 4: see also I might be confused with a guy I've
- 22:49Speaker 4: covered so my other ones. Was he also be big
- 22:50Speaker 4: into rituals too as well.
- 22:53Speaker 2: Very much. So all of this stuff had to be
- 22:55Speaker 2: mathematically perfect so that it could resonate with the divine
- 23:00Speaker 2: And I think that's that's what a lot of people
- 23:02Speaker 2: are missing on this stuff is that when you write
- 23:05Speaker 2: these words and these letters, it has to resonate with
- 23:09Speaker 2: the divine, and five being a divine ratio that you
- 23:12Speaker 2: can find in nature, and all of these different things
- 23:15Speaker 2: resonates on the same level as this, uh, this text,
- 23:20Speaker 2: And that's why it is numbered in that way, is
- 23:24Speaker 2: because what you're trying to do is to simulate or
- 23:27Speaker 2: or create a resonance between the words, letters, numbers you're
- 23:33Speaker 2: writing and all of nature, all of the divine. So
- 23:38Speaker 2: that that's really what I think it comes down to.
- 23:40Speaker 1: He was he was a Christian too, wasn't he?
- 23:43Speaker 2: Yes, he was.
- 23:44Speaker 1: I wanted to cover him.
- 23:45Speaker 4: Actually, it's it's interesting around that time that he was around,
- 23:50Speaker 4: I think, like what I even named it, the episode
- 23:53Speaker 4: if I stay with it, the War for Christianity, because
- 23:55Speaker 4: at that time you have all these dudes that actually
- 23:57Speaker 4: have their own opinions.
- 24:00Speaker 1: That I mean, it's.
- 24:01Speaker 4: Actually like, I don't know if they realize how many,
- 24:05Speaker 4: like how many options there were to finally.
- 24:08Speaker 1: Choose which one we're going to go with. I don't
- 24:11Speaker 1: know if a lot of people realize that.
- 24:13Speaker 2: Right well, by the time everything was sort of distilled
- 24:17Speaker 2: down into one comprehensive system. They had a lot to
- 24:21Speaker 2: choose from.
- 24:22Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, that's why I wanted to show.
- 24:24Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of people fucking know that
- 24:26Speaker 4: at all, right, or or people that are considered Christians
- 24:31Speaker 4: back then.
- 24:32Speaker 1: I don't think people realize, right.
- 24:34Speaker 2: So all of it is based upon this theology of number,
- 24:38Speaker 2: and the theology of number is what we find in
- 24:41Speaker 2: all of this Kabbala stuff. That's where it's coming from.
- 24:45Speaker 2: This is like the base level code of reality. That's
- 24:49Speaker 2: why they wanted it to be perfect, because it's perfect
- 24:53Speaker 2: in nature. You can follow the path of nature to
- 24:55Speaker 2: find these perfect ratios, and therefore the word of God
- 25:00Speaker 2: has to be in that similar form. That's why they
- 25:03Speaker 2: say every word comes from God. Right, That's what they're
- 25:08Speaker 2: talking about, and that gets confused for a lot of people.
- 25:16Speaker 5: The Dean's another gnostic sect a Bractis's name Abrastos means
- 25:20Speaker 5: three sixty five. He is a time god, the year
- 25:23Speaker 5: the solar solar cycle of the three sixty five. You
- 25:26Speaker 5: also have Nero sixty sixty six, so you can see
- 25:28Speaker 5: Christians are using gamatria. Filo uses gamatria. The Kabbalists use Gamontria.
- 25:34Speaker 5: People push back against this, and they say this is
- 25:37Speaker 5: a dubious he has are arbitrarily choosing two random words
- 25:41Speaker 5: in the Hebrew Bible. Why not Adam's name?
- 25:43Speaker 1: Why not? I don't know, why not the Tree of
- 25:46Speaker 1: Knowledge and the Tree of life. Why can't we divide them?
- 25:48Speaker 2: It is too Adam's name, the Tree of Knowledge is
- 25:51Speaker 2: the tree of life. All of that is still geometric.
- 25:55Speaker 2: It's all of the same character, right Adam Cadmon, and
- 26:00Speaker 2: that same sort of focus towards the number in the
- 26:03Speaker 2: words that were chosen to be these different characters os up.
- 26:09Speaker 5: Why does it have to be the Garden of Eden
- 26:11Speaker 5: and the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil? It's
- 26:14Speaker 5: a fair pushback, and the reason why is because the
- 26:16Speaker 5: golden ratio shows up naturally everywhere. So if you start
- 26:20Speaker 5: taking two random words in Hebrew and just start dividing
- 26:23Speaker 5: them up, just just keep picking two random words randomly,
- 26:28Speaker 5: eventually about one hundred times in you're going to get
- 26:30Speaker 5: the golden ratio.
- 26:31Speaker 1: And so that's how frequently it shows up.
- 26:33Speaker 5: But the pushback against that is Kadem and at Sekayim
- 26:38Speaker 5: are in the same passage together. They're not feel like
- 26:41Speaker 5: I'm taking a word from Genesis and another word from uh.
- 26:45Speaker 2: This is why Alistair Crowley has chosen the words and
- 26:50Speaker 2: the numbers that he did is based upon where they're
- 26:53Speaker 2: at in the different stories right there. These are the
- 26:57Speaker 2: essential or the stressed words in the these different sections.
- 27:01Speaker 2: That's you know again, this is this is what the
- 27:04Speaker 2: people who are into Kabbala, into these numerical systems are
- 27:08Speaker 2: looking at. Is because within the given sections of the text,
- 27:12Speaker 2: that's where you're willing to find those golden ratios again
- 27:16Speaker 2: and again and again. This is part of the formulation
- 27:19Speaker 2: of how this religious system.
- 27:22Speaker 1: Is based.
- 27:26Speaker 5: Isaiah or even you know numbers and I'm just randomly
- 27:30Speaker 5: picking those two and putting them together. No, they're in
- 27:32Speaker 5: the same passage together, in the same chapter, in the
- 27:35Speaker 5: same versus one verse apart from each other, and they
- 27:39Speaker 5: have and they're very much related. Codem is the garden,
- 27:43Speaker 5: the tree of knowledge of evil is what gets them
- 27:45Speaker 5: out of the garden.
- 27:46Speaker 1: So you can see it maps.
- 27:47Speaker 5: It even looks like the golden ratio if you think
- 27:49Speaker 5: about it, because the garden is that pinpoint, that perfect monad,
- 27:53Speaker 5: and then you can see the spiraling out into the
- 27:57Speaker 5: golden ratio, which is the tree of knowledge good and evil.
- 28:00Speaker 5: So from the one comes the many, so the garden
- 28:04Speaker 5: of Eden, from eating from the trade of good knowledge.
- 28:06Speaker 5: They leave the realm of forms, the perfect realm of forms,
- 28:12Speaker 5: that's all news, it's all intelligible, and they go into
- 28:15Speaker 5: the realm of matter and decay and death.
- 28:18Speaker 1: That is now just you know.
- 28:21Speaker 2: Again what we're talking about there is from the many
- 28:24Speaker 2: come or from the one comes the many. This is
- 28:26Speaker 2: very very platonic, right, and that.
- 28:29Speaker 7: Influence is so much thinking, you know, and that's even kinbalistic,
- 28:34Speaker 7: which you know, who knows that was influenced anyway, But yeah,
- 28:38Speaker 7: Cather comes from everything.
- 28:41Speaker 2: Right, and so once once we can sort of map
- 28:44Speaker 2: it out in that way, that's when this stuff like
- 28:47Speaker 2: Kabbala really starts to make sense, is because what they're
- 28:50Speaker 2: trying to do is say it spirals out from the one.
- 28:54Speaker 2: And then you've got you know, people like Tool making
- 28:58Speaker 2: entire albums in the fibonacci because it has always been related.
- 29:03Speaker 2: This number sequence has been related back to God himself, right,
- 29:08Speaker 2: the one, the source, the monad, and what we saw
- 29:12Speaker 2: with the very first thing. Dividing up the different parts
- 29:15Speaker 2: of the modad gives you different ratios and those different
- 29:18Speaker 2: ratios have different sounds. Right, this is the idea of
- 29:23Speaker 2: the emanations of form. And that's why all of this
- 29:27Speaker 2: stuff is important and plays a role, is because now
- 29:30Speaker 2: we're starting to see the spiral. And when you can
- 29:33Speaker 2: see the spiral coming from creation, then the whatever's happening
- 29:37Speaker 2: in the narrative sort of takes a back seat to
- 29:39Speaker 2: the perfect ratios that you're trying to create. It's it's
- 29:43Speaker 2: a different way of looking at it, but I think
- 29:46Speaker 2: equally is valid.
- 29:48Speaker 1: You know what the golden ratio. I find it interesting too.
- 29:51Speaker 4: It's not so much like the golden ratio or spiral,
- 29:54Speaker 4: oblike if you kind of like I've always wondered like them,
- 29:58Speaker 4: I have, you know, I question what's out there to
- 30:00Speaker 4: begin with? And I have wondered if things are going
- 30:02Speaker 4: on a little bit differently, if they are real out there.
- 30:05Speaker 4: And the way Tycho brahe kind of looked at it
- 30:08Speaker 4: is the way I actually thought it would make sense,
- 30:10Speaker 4: is like it's more of like this sun and the
- 30:12Speaker 4: moon is spinning around us, and I do wonder, like again,
- 30:16Speaker 4: it's almost it's not a spiral, but it is like
- 30:19Speaker 4: a something you know, Oh, it's circular and I've always wondered,
- 30:24Speaker 4: like just my opinion, I've wondered if the moon of
- 30:27Speaker 4: the Sun has something to do with that spiral type
- 30:32Speaker 4: thing going on.
- 30:34Speaker 2: That kind of gets into Einsteinian physics as well in relativity,
- 30:38Speaker 2: because you know, as they're moving out there, you have
- 30:41Speaker 2: a time dilation between you and that object in motion.
- 30:46Speaker 2: So Tycho Brahe's mathematical modeling of the universe is still
- 30:53Speaker 2: better than the heliocentric model. Yeah, what how could that be? Well,
- 31:00Speaker 2: if you go to Einsteinian physics, it kind of has
- 31:02Speaker 2: an answer for you. There's a time dilation between you
- 31:04Speaker 2: and that object out there. So if you're looking at
- 31:07Speaker 2: it from the heliocentric model, it can never be perfect.
- 31:10Speaker 2: If you're looking at it from your perspective, it has
- 31:14Speaker 2: more perfection included in those calculations than if you're doing
- 31:19Speaker 2: it the other way around. So just from the human perspective, again,
- 31:23Speaker 2: every moment is half you and half of the outside world.
- 31:27Speaker 2: It's better to start from within as opposed to's starting
- 31:31Speaker 2: from without.
- 31:31Speaker 4: One thing I do find interesting too, I didn't notice
- 31:34Speaker 4: until like recently, maybe the last few months, because of
- 31:37Speaker 4: some of the guests I've had on I didn't know
- 31:40Speaker 4: it was a thing where people actually followed Braes's idea
- 31:44Speaker 4: and didn't really look at couplers. And I was like,
- 31:47Speaker 4: I should tell you something, if they're ocultist, that they're
- 31:49Speaker 4: looking at his model in that couplos.
- 31:53Speaker 2: Absolutely, because it's more mathematically perfect. And that's really what
- 31:58Speaker 2: made Tycho Brahe the center of the universe is because
- 32:01Speaker 2: he he calculated it out with his you know, primitive
- 32:05Speaker 2: instruments to turn into huge machines.
- 32:09Speaker 1: Do it by eye?
- 32:10Speaker 4: He was off like an eighth of an arcment. It
- 32:12Speaker 4: is some fucking ridiculous shit. By eye, dude. He's stuff
- 32:17Speaker 4: is stuff that like is insane accurate.
- 32:21Speaker 2: Absolutely, and go back and listen to uh accult rejects
- 32:24Speaker 2: Tycho Brahe. It is very entertaining. You got to get
- 32:27Speaker 2: into this mathematical way of seeing the world because this
- 32:30Speaker 2: is how people today even still use these these mathematical models,
- 32:36Speaker 2: because they still hold up.
- 32:38Speaker 4: That's why I do think people do get obsessed with
- 32:39Speaker 4: the skies because of the mathematics and there. I think
- 32:42Speaker 4: they catch on to that and that and that's what
- 32:44Speaker 4: gets them going. Because you don't have to really trust, well,
- 32:47Speaker 4: who the fuck knows what it is. But I'm just
- 32:48Speaker 4: doing math with what's going on out there.
- 32:51Speaker 2: Right, zero trust system. You're just using the numbers. This
- 32:55Speaker 2: is why you've got the trivium grammar, logic, and rhetoric,
- 32:59Speaker 2: and then the quadrivium which includes astronomy astrology. What they
- 33:04Speaker 2: were trying to do is use all of the mathematics
- 33:07Speaker 2: in the universe to fully understand the relationships or the
- 33:12Speaker 2: associations between all of these things in the heavens that
- 33:15Speaker 2: have these very periodic cycles to our own lives. Right,
- 33:21Speaker 2: you're making those strong associations. And again, what we're doing
- 33:25Speaker 2: is going from numbers to letters to words, to whole
- 33:28Speaker 2: books to whole chapters. Right, it's the same idea. You're
- 33:32Speaker 2: just creating those strong associations that appear in nature first
- 33:37Speaker 2: and then get manifested in other ways into the story.
- 33:41Speaker 2: And it has a strong, strong power.
- 33:44Speaker 5: To it.
- 33:47Speaker 1: That is kind of mind blowing.
- 33:48Speaker 5: This looks intentional to me, especially when you couple that
- 33:51Speaker 5: up with what a Filo says, the idea of the documentary.
- 33:55Speaker 1: Hypothesis that this is a mistake.
- 33:57Speaker 5: There's two atoms, one in Genesis, two in Genesis three,
- 34:01Speaker 5: and one of them is made in the image of God,
- 34:03Speaker 5: and the other one's made from a clump of dust.
- 34:05Speaker 5: That's people say that's a mistake, but Filo says, no,
- 34:08Speaker 5: there's two atoms. There's this spiritual perfect atom, and then
- 34:12Speaker 5: there's the earthly atom.
- 34:13Speaker 1: Another thing.
- 34:14Speaker 5: In Plato's Tomaeus, the world's soul, which is created in
- 34:17Speaker 5: the image of God, and all of humans are created
- 34:20Speaker 5: in the image of the world's soul, happens to have
- 34:23Speaker 5: a diad within it, a female life giving aspect, Hava
- 34:27Speaker 5: eve Zoe. So the world soul is a diad with
- 34:31Speaker 5: a female spirit, Plato says to himself, he calls it
- 34:35Speaker 5: a her. He says, her spirit is even older than
- 34:37Speaker 5: the world's soul itself. So just like Adam and Eve
- 34:42Speaker 5: are a diad, Plato's world soul is a diad. So
- 34:46Speaker 5: you and the only two texts in the ancient world
- 34:48Speaker 5: that have God creating man in the image of God
- 34:51Speaker 5: is Plato's Timaeus and Genesis.
- 34:55Speaker 2: Bingo. Now that's important because they're both working off of
- 35:00Speaker 2: the same mathematical based formulations, and that's why they sort
- 35:07Speaker 2: of integrate so well with each other. Between Platinism and
- 35:11Speaker 2: the Bible, these are just two stories using the same
- 35:15Speaker 2: modeling technique, going back to the golden ratio itself.
- 35:20Speaker 5: Right, So, yeah, the Gomatria thing, it comes from the
- 35:27Speaker 5: from the Pythegoreans. That's that's an idea that comes from Greeks.
- 35:31Speaker 5: The word gomatria is not a Semitic word, has no
- 35:35Speaker 5: antecedent and and a Semitic word.
- 35:37Speaker 1: It's it's a Greek word. That's where we get geometry from.
- 35:41Speaker 5: So I think when you couple that up with Plato's
- 35:43Speaker 5: influence and you say, wow, they're using two words, they're
- 35:48Speaker 5: constructing some sort of it looks like they're constructing something here. Now,
- 35:52Speaker 5: is it possible that the the critic critics are correct,
- 35:55Speaker 5: this is all just made up, or this is all
- 35:57Speaker 5: just coincidence.
- 35:58Speaker 1: It's possible. I'm not closed up that I'm not dying on.
- 36:01Speaker 5: This hill, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was
- 36:04Speaker 5: some sort of numer number mysticism thing happening in Genesis.
- 36:12Speaker 1: There you go promote. That's even something that Pico della
- 36:17Speaker 1: Mirandel is even known for, is just dragging a you know,
- 36:21Speaker 1: like Jamatria back into like the Bible and stuff, or
- 36:27Speaker 1: like using the Kabbala, which would include that with Catholicism.
- 36:33Speaker 2: That's why this thing is so strange is because he's
- 36:36Speaker 2: not giving you all of these background details before throwing
- 36:41Speaker 2: you into the deep end.
- 36:43Speaker 4: That's why me and you even said that in the
- 36:45Speaker 4: show that he when it comes to the Jamatria part,
- 36:48Speaker 4: he's speaking to you as if you're already understand that. Unfortunately,
- 36:50Speaker 4: it's basically what it seems like, right, you know, or
- 36:54Speaker 4: you have an idea of like about it.
- 36:57Speaker 2: And he might have been thrown into the deep end
- 36:59Speaker 2: himself and didn't fully realize it. But by the time
- 37:02Speaker 2: he's put onto this code, he's already talking in code.
- 37:06Speaker 1: So yeah, that could be another thing too, right.
- 37:10Speaker 2: So all of this stuff goes way way back in history,
- 37:13Speaker 2: with all of these different footnotes and all of these
- 37:16Speaker 2: different essential parts to understand before even getting to why
- 37:20Speaker 2: number is also letter is also word, you have to
- 37:24Speaker 2: understand the basis and the background for it. And I
- 37:27Speaker 2: think that video really does lay out a good example
- 37:30Speaker 2: of that, which would be fi, which is where you
- 37:32Speaker 2: find these numbers in the Bible that associate with five,
- 37:35Speaker 2: because that is God's number. That's what's being imprinted into
- 37:39Speaker 2: nature and again making that thing that is the reflection
- 37:45Speaker 2: of nature is like making a thing that is reflective
- 37:48Speaker 2: of God. So this is this is the Greek sort
- 37:52Speaker 2: of cosmological concept, is we're co creators with God. We
- 37:56Speaker 2: exist on the same plane that is being created and
- 38:00Speaker 2: on the same level of mathematics and you know, architecture
- 38:05Speaker 2: and all these other principles that come back to number
- 38:09Speaker 2: and so this is this is where it's coming from, essentially.
- 38:12Speaker 2: And I really like the fact that he would lay
- 38:14Speaker 2: it out in such a Greek way, because far too
- 38:17Speaker 2: often people lay it out in a Hebrew way and
- 38:19Speaker 2: that's again throwing you in the deep end without giving
- 38:22Speaker 2: you the explanation behind it.
- 38:24Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, this was actually really fun. It was a
- 38:26Speaker 1: good video of the show.
- 38:28Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you know, giving people that background information lets
- 38:32Speaker 2: them know why it's important and why we're doing this
- 38:34Speaker 2: today is because now you can use those numbers, you
- 38:37Speaker 2: can use those sequences in your own formulations as you're
- 38:41Speaker 2: doing magic yourself. That's the important part of seven seven seven.
- 38:45Speaker 2: It's for the individual user. You're you're just taking the
- 38:49Speaker 2: same things that all of these other people created society with,
- 38:53Speaker 2: created these buildings with, created beauty with, and then you
- 38:57Speaker 2: can use it yourself. You can make it your own.
- 39:00Speaker 2: And that's why we're doing it, is to allow people
- 39:03Speaker 2: to use the tools of the elites, because they're not
- 39:06Speaker 2: really elites. They're all a bunch of dumb asses. They're
- 39:10Speaker 2: just going by the formula.
- 39:12Speaker 1: You know. That's funny.
- 39:16Speaker 2: All right, everybody, Well, thank you for joining us again. Yeah,
- 39:19Speaker 2: thank thank you and Austin conform It for making that
- 39:22Speaker 2: video so we can content farm your stuff.
- 39:26Speaker 4: Yo, go over to that guy and tell him he's
- 39:27Speaker 4: got to come on the Occult Rejects anywhere that if
- 39:29Speaker 4: you happen to follow that guy you're on social media,
- 39:31Speaker 4: look for him and comment on his shit. Got to
- 39:33Speaker 4: get him on the show again, he said. He he
- 39:35Speaker 4: said yes twice publicly, So where the fuck are you
- 39:38Speaker 4: get them?
- 39:38Speaker 1: Wait?
- 39:40Speaker 2: Tag him in there. Let's see if we can get
- 39:42Speaker 2: him on the show. I think you would really enjoy
- 39:44Speaker 2: this kind of stuff because he really likes this, this
- 39:47Speaker 2: sort of topic, and we're more than happy to you know,
- 39:50Speaker 2: talk talk about it with him. So see you guys
- 39:52Speaker 2: next time. This has been another seven seven seven