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Christians miss this until they are suffering... · How to Faith a Life Podcast with Faith Womack

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  SPEAKER_00: Now, with all that said, let's begin.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi guys, welcome back to the How to Faith a Life Podcast, a ministry of Bible Learn Ministries.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: And today I'm so excited because I have my friend Kirby on the pod.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: So if you guys do not recognize her face or her name, where have you been?
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  SPEAKER_00: I've had her on before, but Kirby Kelly is a real life friend.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is a author, teacher, speaker, YouTuber.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is a first-time pregnant mommy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And today we're gonna talk about her new book, Fabric of Hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited to have her on.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think so often we have a lot of whys.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why God?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why are you having me go through this tough season?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why, Lord, am I facing this trial?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why, Lord, do you feel so far from me, whatever it may be?
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  SPEAKER_00: And we get stuck in our whys.
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  SPEAKER_00: And her new book, Fabric of Hope, is just such a good tool for so many of us Christians struggling with hope in the season of why and even just direction.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, where do I go from here, Lord?
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, Kirby, welcome on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, I know it's gonna bless so many people again.
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  SPEAKER_00: But will you share a little bit about your testimony and some of the hardship that kind of led to this book and all guides work through it?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, thanks for having me on again, Faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: Faith and I, we are buddies.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: We literally just had a game night the other night, and it was so fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm just really thankful for her friendship.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm thinking thankful that you're having me on again, which is crazy.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited just for this season and especially the timing of this book.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, Faith, I am a first-time mama.
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  SPEAKER_01: Literally, I'm pushing out a book and a baby in the same mom.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was just insane to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, wow, two births.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what it feels like.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a labor of love both ways, very different processes, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that God has just like even reminded me in this season that He is continually actively redeeming the areas of my life where I felt like when I was in the middle of grief or lament or hardship, heartache, pain, suffering, whatever you call it, those places where it can be really hard to have hope.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm now like living out what I hoped for.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's just, it's really cool to see how God's redemption, that's like the the big theme throughout the book, how God redeems everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like God really can redeem and repurpose and restore anything and everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just so beautiful.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, with my story, I talk a lot about scripture and this and just testimonies from scripture, even and even my own friends and what they've walked through.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, a couple of different things that I talk about in the book of areas where I really wrestled with the why of like, why, God?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why are you why are you doing this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why are you allowing this to happen to me?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why is this my life?
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of that just stemmed from other people or outside factors affecting me, not necessarily things that I was, I was doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was the child of of two addicts.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a big point that I talk about in the book.
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  SPEAKER_01: Both of my parents were addicts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Both my parents ended up dying from their addiction.
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  SPEAKER_01: And through that, of losing my dad when I was 10 years old and trying to just remedy this idea of why, God, why would you allow my dad to wrestle with addiction and then die because of his addiction?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then going through middle school, start getting bullied.
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  SPEAKER_01: God, why are you allowing the people who are supposed to be my friends to be the people who are completely just degrading me and making me want to end my life and then give my life to Jesus?
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  SPEAKER_01: Radical encounter there.
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  SPEAKER_01: But my mom immediately relapses right when I give my life to Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, God, why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like my life has been marked by suffering just since I was born, popping off the womb like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then here we go, where it's like, okay, I have this new hope in Jesus while also walking through the hardest season of my life, like high school highs and lows, but also coming home and having to be my mom, like to my mom, and and dealing with her addiction and seeing her walk through that hopelessness, but now having this newfound hope in Jesus, it's just there, there's so many things.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's just like the surface of a big relevant story that I talk about throughout the book of where God met me in that place.
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  SPEAKER_01: And although he didn't necessarily resolve it in the way that I had originally hoped for, when I yielded to him and I actually began to understand who he is, the realities of suffering, humanity, his sovereignty and free will, all these things, as I began to just theologically dive deep into knowing God, all these things fueled my hope in Jesus of wow, I can actually have a confident trust in who God is, not my circumstance, but his character.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that completely shaped my life moving forward, where I could actually believe in God's goodness in these places where everyone else would say, Yeah, why would a good God allow you to go through that?
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's like we live in a broken world and people are broken and life is broken, but we we serve a God who pieces the broken things together into something way more beautiful, way more unexpected than we could have ever tried to shape ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, I mean, that's just a brief underlying of my testimony.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you can ask any questions you want, faith truly.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I've I've just been able to see God weave redemption throughout my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think now looking back, seeing what God did in reverse, it makes so much sense how how he used every single moment to lead up to where I am today, to who I am today, to the ministry work he's called me to today.
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  SPEAKER_01: It all has just worked out for the glory of God, for the good of the kingdom, um, and for my own character and benefit.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm thankful, which sounds weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm thankful and grateful that although I went through things I wish I didn't had to go through, I I've been able to understand the goodness of God in a way that I will forever cherish and wouldn't trade for a thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you not get stuck in your in the why?
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you not get just so like bogged down?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why God, why me?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why this?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why my parents?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why am I an orphan?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, how do you not get bogged down to that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I know, like we we became friends right before your mom passed.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like the beginning of our friendship was your mom passing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I remember thinking, like, she stays so positive.
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  SPEAKER_00: She always keeps like the big picture, she's always bringing it back to theological stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, how do you not get bogged down with the why?
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: This is such a good question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, growing up, I did get bogged down by the why, if I'm being completely honest.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I even want to just speak to the people today who are like going through grief, going through hurt, going through seasons of lament that you don't have to just slap on a God is good all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like you don't actually believe it.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're like, wow, this really sucks.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think for me, I was stuck in the why because I didn't understand the concept of lament.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think in losing my mom back in 2023, she died very suddenly, very traumatically, out of nowhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was one of those things that I remember just sitting with God in that and him teaching me about the process of lament.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like there's a whole book in the Bible called Lamentations.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have we forgotten that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, have we forgotten that a huge chunk of the Psalms is just lament?
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  SPEAKER_01: And as I began reading that and reading what these gospel and biblical writers who are inspired by the Holy Spirit penned, it made me realize that lament always ends in this high note of hope.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, we are allowed to be so honest with our wives.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think we can get stuck when we when we don't allow ourselves first and foremost to have that honesty of actually bringing what we're frustrated with to God.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like when my dad died when I was 10 years old, I was, I wasn't, I wouldn't even really necessarily consider myself a Christian at that point because there wasn't this moment where I had a declaration of faith, but I grew up with some faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I I I knew who God was to as small as I knew him to be at that point in time.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's so much bigger than me now.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I I remember just having such a wall up with God where it was like, yeah, I'm sad, yeah, this sucks.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why you're allowing this to happen to me, God.
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  SPEAKER_01: But in order to protect myself and because I can't reconcile what's going on, I'm gonna put up a wall.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when it came to losing my mom, having now walked with Jesus for a majority of my life, I mean, that wall came down and I watered the earth with my tears, like literally lamented, balled, wrestled with God with all those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it always ended in hope.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what I mean by that is I I talk about in the book, whenever I say hope, I think that can kind of be this like abstract word of like, yeah, I hope that things get better.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like hope is not this wishful thinking, it's a confident trust.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm I'm confidently trusting, but what?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, what is my hope in?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I talk about it in the book that there's these four Ps that we can hope in.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's God's promises, God's patterns, God's personhood, and God's presence.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that is what has allowed me to actually get out of this stuck place of the why and actually move forward, even as I'm lamenting, even as I have questions, his promises, like what has he guaranteed and spoken in scripture, his patterns.
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  SPEAKER_01: When we look at the whole meta narrative of the Bible, and like that is your thing, girl.
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  SPEAKER_01: You wrote a book on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you look at the whole meta narrative of scripture, it's God redeeming his people unto himself.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love that that's how you word it in your book too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm like, girl, yes, my favorite attribute about God is that he is a redeemer and he is consistent in his patterns of doing that with his people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe not the way we expect or the way that we initially hoped for, but in the way that we needed, in a way that actually fuels confident hope in his personhood, who he is at his core, being faithful, being present, being holy, being compassionate, sovereign, and trustworthy, but also his presence, that even when we don't get the why, we always have the who of God.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think about Job.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know that I'm literally rambling, I'll throw it back to you, but I think about Job.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like in this entire saga of this man's most dramatic season of life that one could really go through.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the very end of Job, he doesn't even get the answer to the question, why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why is this happening?
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  SPEAKER_01: The answer that he gets is who, who God is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was enough for Job.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying that we have to force or manufacture ourselves to just, well, I'm just gonna accept it, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, you can still wrestle and bring those things to God because God wants our honest lament and he wants honest relationship with us.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what's beautiful is that in that honesty, in that wrestling, in that lamenting, in that going to God, you are gonna be surprised, and I was surprised that many times when I asked God why, who he was was enough to get me through that season.
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  SPEAKER_01: That when I was able to look back years later, months later, it made sense of what he did with it, not necessarily why I had to go through that.
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  SPEAKER_01: We live in a broken world, that's a simple answer to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I was able to cling on to who at the end of the day.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's where my hope comes from.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's why when my mom died, I was like, this sucks, but also God is good because he's not contingent on the circumstances we go through.
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  SPEAKER_01: He actually molds and changes and re-weaves together something that was once tattered and torn into something that's a that's a banner of hope that we can all rally under.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: So long-winded answer to your like five-word question.
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  SPEAKER_01: But really, like that, those four P's have been like pillars for me of what I've been able to bet my hope on.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's get back to the conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's patterns, his personhood, his promises, and what's the fourth one?
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  SPEAKER_00: And his presence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Presence, presence.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's so good.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's also like we settle oftentimes for lazy intimacy with the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we're like, I know you want this from me, so I'll just like fake manufacture this response in my trials or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in all reality, I'm really heartbroken.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm really mad at you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not gonna bring that towards you because that's like too costly of an intimacy with you, Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I want to trust you with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he is the best place to take that brokenness, to take that empty.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he wants that level of intimacy where you trust him enough to be like, it's safe to show you my anger, Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's safe to show you my grief.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's your safe place to take my questions and all of the things.
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  SPEAKER_00: I often say, like, I tell my people, you know, I'm thinking about prayer journaling.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I am more honest and more real in my prayer journal than I am even with myself or with Joseph or my best friends, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I am so incredibly real with the Lord there because I finally learned like it's the safest place to be real in my realist self.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's just we get lazy, we want manufactured, like cheap faith and a cheap relationship with God, and we don't want it to cost us anything, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it it really is costly to be like truly raw and real.
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  SPEAKER_00: What are some of your like heart cries in like when your mom first died and you were like sitting in the hospital, and I remember us texting, and you're like, here's the latest update, here's latest prayer requests, here's the latest update, here's what and like it just like overnight went from pray that the Lord will save her and everything will turn around to here's a funeral and here's the updates and here's what I'm going through with my brother.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just remember thinking, like, what are what are the words I can even say to her?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, what are her deepest heartbreaks and really questions for the Lord?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, so I guess just come back around to my question is when what was my question?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was my heart cry?
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: What was your heart cry in that moment?
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  SPEAKER_00: And how did you even come before the Lord when you probably had no words?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, that really is it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you what do you say?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you cry out to the Lord other than help, intervene, save her?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, do what only you can do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do do the miracle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I know you still move God.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know that you can do these things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think even in in those moments, it can be a place where when God doesn't answer the way that we expected, when God's will doesn't go our way, that's a chapter in my book.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like our faith can just totally feel depleted and crushed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it can be such a place for the enemy to get a foothold of doubt and to cause us to downward spiral.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the words of Levi Lusco, he wrote a book about it called, oh my gosh, what's it called?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, anyways, it's his most recent book.
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  SPEAKER_01: He talks about how there's this upward spiral and this downward spiral.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think for me, when I was just like literally in the hospital sitting by my mom's bedside, I had this decision of just like, with my heart cry, which was God help move, save her, do a miracle.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, literally, only you can do this based off of every diagnosis that they told me she had at that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cause it was like a four-day period.
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  SPEAKER_01: Literally, the day after Mother's Day, I get this phone call being like, Hey, are you the decision maker?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, What is happening?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, like, I know I'm like kind of laughing and smiling, but literally I'm like, what the freak?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I just graduated with my master's in theology.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm about to have my first book, which came out in 2024.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm about to have that come out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is gonna be the best season of my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I get a call after Mother's Day asking me if I'm my mom's decision maker.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, what do you say to God in those moments, other than what is happening?
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  SPEAKER_01: What is going on?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because of course, that's not according to our plans.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our plans is everything goes great all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and the Lord's plans are to prosper us.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the reality is that we also live in a broken world, a broken system.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we don't always know what that looks like, like what will unfold.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, in that in that moment of just like getting all the news that I got and kind of just like sitting there by myself, even for a while with my mom.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, my husband was there, my brother was there, like there was plenty of people there, but there was a lot of time where it was just me and my mom.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could have chosen to downward spiral into this doubt that fueled my rejection and my running from God, that place where doubt could could fester.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a catalyst for faith in God to run to Him, to, to spiral up the stairs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I need to, I need to go to my dad.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I guess my heart cry at the beginning was help her.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think my heart cry by the end of those four days was, I don't even know if I would necessarily say it was a cry.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was more so like God just helped me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I need to come to this place of acceptance.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that's really hard in our suffering, is to arrive to a place of accepting what God has allowed.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the hardest part is accepting what God has allowed us to go through.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've gone through a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: I talk about it in the book.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I have gone through heartbreak, I've gone through betrayal, I've gone through assault, I've gone through losing both of my parents, I've gone through friend groups just completely hurting me and going behind my back.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the list literally goes on.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can read about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it in those moments, it's like I've just arrived to a place where it's like, I'm not just accepting this, like, well, this is my life and this all sucks.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I I've come to this place of accepting, okay, God, you did allow this to happen, but I know that you can redeem this thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I know that you have a greater purpose.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I think about my mom, of course I wish she was here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Of course I wish she was here for, you know, the birth of my daughter.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like a girl having her mom there for the birth of her girl, like, of course I would want that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I also know that God's plan is so much bigger.
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  SPEAKER_01: She was dealing with addiction.
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  SPEAKER_01: She was going through so much hell of her own that I see the grace of God in that loss.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wish she was here, but I also see the grace of God in that loss.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Going through, you know, all my trauma with assault and all those things.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to say that, oh, that was the best thing that ever happened to me.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: That destroyed me.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I was able to see how God was able to be so near to me and redeem those areas of my life and teach me and grow me in areas of forgiveness that I never thought was imaginable towards other people, towards myself, towards the Lord.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like I had to learn how to remedy that and be like, wow, God, I'm sorry for even blaming you for this.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, there's so many lessons that we can learn in our suffering, in our doubt, in our grief.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I know I keep returning back to this, but it's something that I just wouldn't, I wouldn't trade.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: I hate that I've gone through those things, but my heart cry has gone from, you know, spare me of this pain, God, to be near to me in this pain, God, because I know you're gonna do something in it.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: I know you're gonna show up and and something more beautiful is going to come out of this pressing, something more valuable than than what could have not existed.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it makes me think of Isaiah and Ezekiel, and they talk about how the exile was like a refining fire that purified the faiad of God's people.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's like that.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: We go through a crucible at times and in different seasons, and sometimes it's every day.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like when my mom relapsed, that was an everyday thing for me in high school, where I was like, God, will you relent?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what is happening?
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it was like she she made these decisions.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was in proximity of them.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: God, what can you do?
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what can you do in me in this place if you can't necessarily override the free will of this person in this situation?
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you're sovereign God, and I know that, and I know that you can do things, but I know that there's this coexistence of free will, like I get all that, the theology of it all.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like, okay, if you can't change my circumstance, what can you change within me?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: And that is where the most refinement, the the greatest intimacy with God grew in those places where I actually can stand on hope today.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, who what would you say?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm imagining that someone's probably listening to this going, yeah, but I don't want to learn lessons.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: I wish that I was.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Born and I knew everything, and I was a perfectly refined human and I never had to go through suffering and pain.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: I wish, I wish I didn't have to learn all these lessons.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm so grateful that I have learned these lessons because that was the thing that fueled my relationship with God, that brought me closer to him, that gave me a heart for people.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, have we forgotten the people that we are also called to?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: It is usually out of like my own experience and empathy that I can really minister to the people that God has called me to.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like he has used it all.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that I could have not gone through any of those things and God could have still used me.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: But the degree to which he is able to use me now in the lives of other people, I'm like, Yeah, yeah.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only experience and and and the lessons that we never signed up for, the classes we never signed up for, but were thrown into learning.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, here's the final exam.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, oh girl, I didn't even study for this.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's just God really, he uses those things.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we need to, and this is hard, but it's something that we have to come to terms with.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: And when we come to terms with it, it's it's for our benefit that we never asked for these things, but once we actually accept that this is this is where we are at and we invite God into it, it's gonna be smoother sailing than trying to resist what has already unfolded.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what builds resentment, bitterness, uh it stops us from actually fully pursuing and experiencing God is when we reject what has already happened.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: We need to, and this this takes time.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: This might take walking with community, Christian counseling, uh, your pastors and your church leaders, getting to this place of accepting this happened.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: I cannot change that this happened.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: But God can change what can happen going forward.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: He can mold the outcome.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: Where you're at today is not the end of the chapter, the end of the story, the end of the season that you just went through.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: God can still redeem it.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: God can still purpose it, repurpose it.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, we have to come to that point of accepting then, but God, what do you want to happen moving forward with this?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that idea of acceptance because it does come back to those four P's again, which are so good.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: I just keep lying over it.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like it does come back to who is he?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I can accept this sorrows because I know that he's a promise keeper, because I know that he's faithful, because I know X, Y, and Z.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it also makes me think of we're in a season right now, and my boys, if y'all watch this in the future, I apologize, but I have to tell this.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right now we're teaching our boys how to run.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Did we ever think we'd have to teach them to run?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's like I thought kids just know how to run, but no, they're running on their heels and they're faster than their peers.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: And we're like, I guess we have to teach our boys how to run because they want to play baseball, they want to play football.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, when we go, okay, hey, let's go outside, let's go practice to learn how to run.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, obviously my son's like, Mom, I already know how to.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't want to.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go, you know, build Legos, right?
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: But my husband takes them by the hand and kind of lovingly coerces them outside, sometimes tricks them outside to be like, oh, look, you have a football in your hand.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna practice running with it in your arms, you know.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: And he lovingly wants good for them.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: You say you want to play football, you say you want to play baseball, like I will teach you how to do these things.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: And that takes going back to the basics and learning how to run, right?
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: Or learning how to throw or learning how to hold your bat a little bit better.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes we have to be like tricked into those lessons.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: In some ways, I think oftentimes when I'm asking God why, I feel like he tricked me.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I'm put in a situation that I don't want to be in.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to go back inside and play Legos.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: But the Lord is that loving father who's like, no, I see where you want to go, I see where you're going, I see how you need to go back to the basics.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: And as much as it sucks to learn humility, or it sucks to learn endurance, or it sucks to learn how to hold your bat or how to run correctly, this is for the longer game.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is for what is coming in the future.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I love you enough to put you in this uncomfortable position, but we forget that and we're just like, Lord, you failed me.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm now experiencing loss or uncomfortability.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: And really often it comes from my worship of comfort that I get mad at the Lord and I ask him why.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we shouldn't go there.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's too fit to hump.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: I do love the recurring metaphor that you keep bringing up, and which is the title of your book is the fabric of hope, this redemptive thread all throughout the Bible.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: Will you talk a little bit about that?
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then, of course, I feel like you're living it out in your pregnancy, like you've already alluded to.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, a little bit about the redemptive thread, and then of course, how you're living it out in your life today.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: So we land a fun fact.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just give this to your listeners because I think that they'll probably enjoy it.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: So the title of the book is called The Fabric of Hope.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Originally I had a completely different title.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to call it Why God, because the two big questions in the book is why God?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you allowing this to happen?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: But also why God?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Why am I choosing God amidst all of this?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: And that is that like is the theology of the book.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: And they were like, that's amazing, but we want this to be super hopeful because that's what your book is.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, that's so true.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: And throughout the book, as I was writing it, I continuously had this picture of God weaving redemption and everything, like weaving it together like a tapestry, really.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: And it kind of makes me think of a quilt, or if you maybe like growing up, I know that we wear like ripped jeans and it's cool now or whatever.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: But like I remember talking to my mom and just people in my life who are a little bit older than me.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, when you had ripped jeans, your mom would take those and she would take a piece of fabric and she would, she would stitch over it.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: She would, she would patch up the thing that was torn and tattered, tattered and broken.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what God does with us is that when we actually like bring him the fabric that has been torn in our life, whether it was by our own foolishness before we really knew what we were doing, you know, forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's just the circumstances and the cultures and the families and environments we grew up in where we were just off to the side and got snagged because of someone else's sin issue and decisions.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: We can go to God with those broken parts that we would have otherwise like scrapped or considered useless, the parts of your testimony, the parts of your story that you're like, how could God ever use this?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Why would God ever redeem this?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: We can bring him those things and he can he can take his silver lining thread and actually stitch something so much more beautiful together.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: And to there's at the beginning of the book, I talk about the idea of banners and blankets.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: And when I was little, and it's kind of cool now, just like I have so many boxes behind me because I'm like, okay, gotta get the nursery ready, gotta get all the baby stuff now, which is crazy.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking about those things and it's like, okay, like what's her theme gonna be?
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: What's the nursery gonna be?
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: And for me growing up, mine was always like bunnies and like Peter Rabbit, Peter Cottontail, like all those things.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was my nursery growing up.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yeah, I want to, I think I want to do like bunnies and things like that for hers, maybe.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it makes me think when I was little, I always, I always like before the Trinity existed, like in the sense of like me having recollection of who the father, son, holy spirit was, it was my binkies, my blanky, and my bunny.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: I would always ask for that.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be like, whenever it was nighttime, I'd be like, mom, I want my binky, my blanky, my bunny.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was my that was my holy trinity before I knew the Lord.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I think about that and I and I'd say all this because in the book, I talk about how God is like our security blanket.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: There are seasons where we go through life where it's like he really is our comforter, not just in the sense of like, like a like a comforter on a bed, but really like he is our comforter, where he drapes over us and gives us the security, the refuge, the rest that we need when it is a long, dark night, especially when the whole season feels like that.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: But he's also a banner in the same way that uh a piece of fabric can be a comforter, a piece of fabric can also be used as a banner.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: And we look at the Old Testament, banners were used as as rallying points that that were set up in territories or used when marching into battle to show this is this is my confidence.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, God has equipped us for the fight, but it's God who has won the war.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's God who's won the victory already.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like they would rally, they would set up banners to declare this is what God did in this place.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so, in the same way with the fabric of hope, maybe in this season of life, the fabric of hope for you looks like being cloaked in the comfort of God and sitting, just sitting with him, lamenting, mourning, grieving, being honest, like bringing him every tear and him storing it in a bottle, like not seeing any of that as waste.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe that you're you're coming to the end of that lament where it's ending in the high note of hope, where you get to put it up like a banner and be like, look what my God did in this place.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that's where I'm at right now, where it's like I was in a very long season of God, you are my comfort.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just need to cozy up with you because this is hard and I'm exhausted.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm in a place now where it's like I'm posting it up as a banner of like, look at what my God has done, look at who he is.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's the same redemptive work.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's like the underlying theme of the fabric of hope is that he weaves redemption.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: He is present, ever present in every situation and season in the ways that we we desperately need him to show up as our comforter, but also as our confidence.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, again, another long-winded answer to your question.
• 31:56
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• 31:59
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• 32:17
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• 32:22
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• 32:27
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• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: All right, now let's get back to the conversation.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: I love that panner and this is my confidence.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: This is where I stake my faith is in the Lord.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because He can redeem and He does redeem.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I love how you have had the blessed privilege of being able to step back from all of these hurt points and turn back and already see so much redemption.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think so many of us, like for me, I have a ton of hurt in my life that I haven't quite yet seen the redemption of.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I look at stories like yours and I'm like, hmm, maybe I may maybe I can find some redemption there.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I can already you like see, look, this is a testimony of the Lord's power.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: But you have a really good gift of doing that and of seeing the Lord's fingerprints and seeing him redeem.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: So as you step into motherhood and birth a daughter after losing your parents and going through so much hurt, what are some of the ways that your mourning is shaping your excitement for her or the duality of those two things?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: What are some of the ways that you're ex expectantly like preparing to walk through hardship, even with a baby, you know, the late nights, all the things, I'll be there or I can help you.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: But please, y'all, she lives like 20 minutes from me.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: So when you need a hot meal or a chicken pot pie or something, I got you.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Please, I will say yes every day to that.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's very real.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of us are probably living right now who are listening in the middle of tension of wow, God is so good and He He's moving in these ways, but also, God, this thing is really hard and really sucks.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I wish I didn't have to go through this.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of my life has been tension of seeing God move so miraculously, so big, so beautifully, while also walking through the hardest point of my life, which is so, so, so interesting to think about.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I talk about that in the book, right?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: I sound like broken record, but I do.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I think for me in this season of motherhood, I I did a lot of pre-grieving, if I'm being completely honest, because I'm 28 years old now, I'll be 29 in March, which I'm like, that's crazy.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a real adult number, I feel.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be turning 29 in March.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I think when when my mom died, it was like, oh my gosh, I'm at this age and stage now where everyone's having kids.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: And when my mom died a few years ago, it was like I can't even comprehend the idea of becoming a mom while grieving my mom.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: I just I can't even I would just weep for hours at the thought of that.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm in the season, but at the thought of it, I was pre-grieving, pre-lamenting, pre-mourning all of the things that I'm living through right now.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: And oddly enough, and by and by oddly I mean godly because it was the Lord.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: When I saw those two lines, or the plus sign or the pregnant on the test, because I took a million of them to make sure.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: When I when I took all the tests and I saw that they were all positive, I only felt joy.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: I truly only felt joy.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember I filmed like a I filmed my reaction and everything.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, is this it?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: And uploaded it.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: But I just remember thanking God and being like, yes, this baby is the sweetest gift.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: She isn't even here yet.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: But when she gets here, I know it's gonna just completely I'm gonna experience a love like no other.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's gonna completely rewire me.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: It already has been, but it'll be different when she's here.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: But in that moment, I just remember the sweetest gift really was, wow, God, you have given me joy where I expected to only feel pain.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Really.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think in this season, there there have been moments where it's like, wow, it's really gonna be sad to have these incredible moments with my daughter and then to reflect on my own relationship with my mom and be like, oh, she's not here.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can't look back at my mom and be like, wow, that was us.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can't have those real life conversations with her.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: And that is sad.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that's something I'm even pre-grieving and preparing for now of like, will I feel that way when she's here?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it's easy to get in that spiral of, well, what if and what if and what if.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I've I've been able through hope really to rewire my thinking to, well, even if it's really hard, even if I'm still grieving, even if if the morning shows up in this moment where I didn't expect it, like God is still good.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: God is still going to comfort me in that moment.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's still going to give me confidence in that moment.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: He has surrounded me with incredible community like you, Faith, really, and so many other people.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: My husband, he has just, he has been so kind to assure me in this season where it otherwise would have been, I think, sad to say, one of the worst seasons I could imagine.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's how I did imagine it, that this would be the worst season of my life, aside from losing my mom.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: It has only been the best season because of how God has just so kindly showed up and showed how He is present in those moments where my mom is at present and how he has supplied so many other people.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like I've been able to have gratitude where I otherwise was just completely overwhelmed at the idea of the grief I would experience.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if that necessarily answers your question, but that's honestly like what it's looked like for me in this season.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: A very unexpected joy and gift from God.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: I love how I don't even know if you noticed it, but when you answered that question, you came back to the four P's.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like who is probably literally though?
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's so beautiful to see.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Those are so powerful.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, wait, wait, let's do it one more time.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: So his who he is, like his personhood, is that the P Yes, his his personhood, his promises, his presence, and his patterns.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Patterns.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love it.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's so encouraging.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it's something I'm gonna be chewing on for the next couple days, I'm sure, and return back to.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: If you had one last thing you would leave a listener with, one little like if you've missed everything, I want you to just get this.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: What would that be?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of just want to share the scripture that this whole book is based off of.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: And oddly enough, oddly godly, this was a verse that really anchored me when COVID happened.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: Romans 15, 13.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: My friends and I, we put on a big online event to evangelize to Gen Z when everyone was just stuck inside.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: And we had like over 40 nations tune in.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: It was crazy.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was this big online evangelism event.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: And this was the anchor point for the anchor verse for that conference.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: But that ended up being like an anchor verse for my life since that moment.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: And where this book really came from is Romans 15, 13.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll just read it so I don't butcher it.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the NIV translation, but it says, May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: And that is a whole we can spend an hour just on that.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Let me say it again.
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  SPEAKER_01: May the God of hope, He is a God of hope, may He fill you with what?
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  SPEAKER_01: All joy and peace.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we get that as we trust in Him so that we can overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I want listeners, once you click off of this, whatever you choose to do next, if you have five minutes, 10 minutes, read Faith's book and then go and annotate and scribe out and dive into the deep Bible study of Romans 15, 13, because truly that is such a powerful verse that declares who God is, how He supplies us and empowers us with hope, joy, peace, and what that over that you can really experience not just that, but an overflow of that in your life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that's just been a testament of my life, that I really feel like I overflow with this idea of hope, not not wishful thinking, not just because it's the right Christianese thing to say, but truly I believe this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel empowered by this, I'm convicted of this, that that we serve a God of hope who brings hope to the hopeless, who redeems all things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And even if you don't see it right now, that's what you get to hope for that he will do it.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: I love the challenge that you just gave us.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: I just pulled up Romans 15, 13 on Bible Hub, and I'm seeing so many good word studies to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like just the word hope, strong 1680, expectation, trust, confidence, with all joy, caros, gladness, like a source, like a cheerfulness and a calm delight, peace.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, Irene, as you believe in him from the word pistis, which is faith, the overflow to superabound, to be in excess.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's such a good challenge.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: Let us know, guys.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Go track down Kirby.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: Kirby is a boss on Instagram and YouTube and give her comments.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Spam her comments with Romans 1513 Bible nerds or something like that.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: And let her know that you did the homework after the podcast to check it out.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then, of course, hop on over to Amazon.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: Please pre-order Fabric of Hope.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: Again, Kirby Kelly's Fabric of Hope.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Launch day is what day again?
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: April 7th.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: 7th.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: And have it in your cart.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pre-order it now so that it arrives on your doorstep and you can be the first reviews and readers of Fabric of Hope because I know it's going to bless you guys so much.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like this podcast already has.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: Kirby, thank you so much for coming on the pod.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: Where can people find you again?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's Kirby's a Boss.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Kirby is a Boss.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: I made it when I was 13, don't judge.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, on Instagram, on YouTube.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: I also have a podcast called Bot and Beloved.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Faith was on it uh not that long ago when we talked about her book.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure y'all have read her book, but go listen to that podcast episode too, because it's really good.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: It was good, yeah.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, it was one of my most popular people loved that episode.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so y'all can go grow me too.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: So y'all can go check that out.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then yeah, y'all can pre-order the book probably by the time that this is up.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: If you if it's still pre-order season, I'll have a ton of like freebies and everything on my website, Kirby-Kelly.com.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: If you go there, there'll be a tab with the book and like all kinds of stuff, all kinds of freebies where it's like, you know, prayer guides and video teaching series and all kinds of stuff.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it'll be, you'll get a ton of freebies if you pre-order the book and just plug in your info.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: We love freebies.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: Or paint.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: We will be there.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: Kirby-Kelly.com.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: Again, it blessed me so much.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll see you guys next time.
• 43:22
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