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Wholeness Over Hustle · White Coat Black Sheep

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Thank you for joining me.
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This is Jose Gonzalez, uh, one
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of my favorite clients at Trifecta Medical.
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Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah.
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I am grateful that you are spending the next, uh,
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30 minutes to an hour, however long you are able to provide.
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We'll go as long as we get need to. I'm ready.
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How was your day today?
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Busy, but well, um, I work at a junior high, so I deal
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with a lot of junior high kids.
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Uh oh. Yeah. Very active, busy.
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Um, along with that though, requires a lot of energy. Okay.
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But I think you can feed off energy.
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I'm a individual that feeds off the indi uh, others' energy.
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Yeah. But at the same time, um, I'm in a good place in life
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that if I need to create the energy,
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I can bring that to the table.
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Okay. Yeah. I kind of picked that up right away
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whenever we just, in the chats that we had.
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Um, I think it was really, um,
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just insightful to like, watch you process the things
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that you knew and the things
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that I knew, and then blend them.
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'cause both of us, I feel like, share the space of,
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we don't hate modern medicine.
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It's not an anti, uh, you know, against the science
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or the grain, like the dogma, like the main old school,
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you know, processes.
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But it's more of like just asking those questions, like,
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why do we do what we do?
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And patients aren't feeling heard.
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I've been on that side of it,
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and it seems like you've also been on that side,
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and it's like, as a doctor, all I can prep, like give is,
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uh, medication, you know?
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So I, I was like, I have to do more than just this.
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It feels so pointless.
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Yeah. Um, just kinda like my natural progression
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of growing and learning.
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Um, I have, I believe that if you're not growing,
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you're dying in all areas.
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Mm-hmm. Whether it's in your relationships,
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whether it's financially, whether it's spiritually,
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whether there's emotionally mm-hmm.
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Or health. So I'm always looking at, um,
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how can I improve my longevity.
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Mm-hmm. Um, my wellness. Yeah.
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Um, I have this vision of wholeness. Mm-hmm.
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Uh, what does that look like?
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Yeah. What does that look like
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Year? So for
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me, it starts off, uh, spiritually. Mm-hmm.
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Um, and then everything flows from there.
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You can have somebody who's emotionally
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and mentally tough mm-hmm.
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But can still suffer with a lot
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of mental health issues.
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Mm-hmm. But you show me a mature spiritual person.
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Mm-hmm. And they're mentally and emotionally sound,
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and there's a difference because it comes within.
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Yeah. Um, so again, um,
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it starts spiritually, then it grows,
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that flows to the mind.
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Mm-hmm. Uh, and then that flows, you know, physically. Yeah.
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If you're physically not in a good place mm-hmm.
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Then you cannot do the things that you want to do.
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Um, whether it's being active
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or being, showing up as a father
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or showing up at work, right?
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Mm-hmm. 'cause it all, it all blends.
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We're all, it's all interconnected.
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So I'm always looking at areas of how can I grow. Mm-hmm.
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Um, you know, from, from a fitness,
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from a nutritional standpoint, uh mm-hmm.
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Spiritually, I mean, we can go on and on and on.
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So for me, that's the key. Um mm-hmm.
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Being whole spiritually sound and,
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and everything flows from there to the mental,
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the emotional side, and then the physical side.
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That's a, I mean, that's your core.
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So that's a really good, those are my pillars. Yeah. Yep.
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And then physically, you know, health
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and wellness is very important to you.
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And taking a natural approach, it is more
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off the, the mainstream.
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You know, there, it seems easier to just inject things that,
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or, or go towards synthetics or, uh, like a fake energy.
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Anything that like, enhances you short term,
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but you're choosing a, a longer path.
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You want to live longer.
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You want to do things a natural way.
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And, you know, to do that
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and gain muscle, keep the muscle, keep your health,
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keep your mental clarity and your peace.
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Was there something in your life that maybe
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prompted you to shift?
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Or have you always had this perspective?
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So let me kind of go back a little bit
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to your previous question.
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Like, how did this journey on fitness and health started?
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Right? Mm-hmm. Um, you know,
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I think I can probably say honest, just my experience,
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everybody when they start this health journey, fitness is
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for vanity, selfish reasons.
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Like, you want to look good
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because you want to attract compliments.
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So you want to attract, attract the opposite sex, right?
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Mm-hmm. I mean, I'll be honest,
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that's why I started working out 20 years ago. So
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That kick started your journey, it
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Started kicked, kick
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started That journey. Aesthetic of it.
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Yeah. And then, um, through that journey, you know,
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obviously you get temptations of, uh, in our town,
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we're very well known for individuals,
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high school kids starting, um, steroids mm-hmm.
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At a young age. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.
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Um, luckily for whatever reason,
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I never chose that route.
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And I just consistently just try to do it the right way.
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Um, it's been a long journey. Now.
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I'm 30 years into it, 50 years now.
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So I've been in working out fitness
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in industry for 30 years.
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But through that journey, you know, things change. Mm-hmm.
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Um, you evolved as an individual, you adapt to new things.
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Mm-hmm. You find out different things that work better
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for your body, whether it's different body
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movements, different lifts.
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Mm-hmm. Um, styles
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Of working Out, styles of working out.
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Um, I'm very old school, uh, traditional, where
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I think in order, if you're gonna grow muscle,
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you just gotta lift heavy stuff. So you're
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A heavyweight low rep.
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Um, a combination of both. Mm-hmm.
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Because you need, you need both. Mm-hmm. Really.
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Um, target the different muscle fibers. Mm-hmm.
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Slow and fat. Mm-hmm. Fast twitch muscle fibers.
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So you need both. So I do a lot of compounds,
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and then I do a lot of like, um, supplemental exercises too,
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um, with high reps.
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Okay. So you can target both.
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Um, studies show that that's what actually helps
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Grow. Well, that's awesome.
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Yeah. So over the years just adapted.
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Uh, and then you, you know, you grow
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and then you start realizing, I, I wish I could say
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that I was disciplined enough in some areas,
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but, uh, like I said, I'm a man of faith.
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There is about eight, nine years ago that I had a drink
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of alcohol and my body just rejected it.
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Mm-hmm. I wish I can say, you know, I just woke up one day
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and I'm like, no, your body rejected it.
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Right? Mm-hmm. Um, we hear stor stories in the medical
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field, uh, women that who get breast transplants,
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but their body rejects it.
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Right. So, oh, yeah. It, it is, is is kind of similar.
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So for me, alcohol was pushed aside.
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So I haven't had a drink in like, seven years. Um, was it
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Like in initially something that was, um,
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I guess a disruption in some sort of way? Yeah.
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So, or Affecting
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You. I, I'll give you an example.
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Went out to dinner.
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At the time I was married, went out to dinner with a couple,
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had dinner and drinks, um, two glasses of wine.
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I woke up in the middle of the night, like, like I just
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pounded bottles.
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Right. Interesting.
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Um, So then I associated it with that, right? Mm-hmm.
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And then the next time, I'm not a big, by now,
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I'm not a heavy drinker at all.
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Mm-hmm. But I go out the next time again
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with couples and have one glass.
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Mm-hmm. And it was miserable.
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So then I'm like, this is no longer for me. Right.
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Sometimes you just outgrow things in life,
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whether they're relationships or hobbies or whatnot. Know
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Why this was, Why. Yeah.
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Do you know why, Why
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No one's told you no.
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Oh, this is fun. So enlight me please.
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So you, if you have one to two drinks,
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and then you feel, as you're describing,
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as my body rejected me.
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But really you're saying, did you feel flushed?
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Like you felt like you're having an allergic reaction?
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No, I, I woke up in the middle
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of the night like I was hungover.
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Like somebody beat me with the bat.
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Yeah. So you have a severe deficiency of a certain enzyme
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that most people have that allows you to break down alcohol.
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And So I'm lacking that.
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So you are lacking it, and you
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can't give thank, thank you, God for
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That. Yeah.
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So it's like god's like, choose something else.
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Right? Yeah. So, um, so that particular, um, situation,
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like, I guess the question is can you supplement that?
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Yes, we can. It's not a readily available thing,
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like glutathione helps.
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That would help with a hangover feeling.
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But, um, that's such a fun fact,
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and I'm glad that you have never heard that. No, I know.
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Yeah. And I have no desire to like, honestly
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to even have a drink anymore.
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But, uh, so, you know, just kind of adapt through that.
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And then, um, then at some point, you know, um,
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God gave me this vision to I want you to live
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to 140 years old.
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Mm-hmm. So then I believe
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It's Possible it is now with technology, now that you
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and I have talked about it mm-hmm.
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At our sessions. But,
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so then you start looking into what does that look like?
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What is it gonna take, right? Mm-hmm.
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Um, 'cause we can have visions, we can have dreams. Mm-hmm.
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But if you don't take the proper steps mm-hmm.
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Actions mm-hmm.
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Then you're never gonna achieve those things.
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So then, you know, really dove deep into that, to doing
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sauna four or five times a day, cold punches every day,
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first thing in the morning, um, you know, working out, um,
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being really precise with my nutrition. Mm-hmm. Um,
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Foods. Yeah. Of food foods. You're
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very precise with it. Um,
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And then even incorporating extra cardio as you get older.
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Right. Um, you
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Just talking those whatcha you trying to achieve
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with the extra cardio?
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Well, two things. Um, obviously longevity, right?
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We're looking at 140 years old,
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and the, where I'm coming here, kind of like a crossroad is
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I still have this vision of
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what a 50-year-old body should look like.
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Mm-hmm. Not what, not what the world,
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but my vision of what a 50-year-old body should look like.
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It more like 30, Uh, yeah.
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25. Yeah.
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Absolutely. I agree. So, yeah.
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And, and that's, so that's, that's, there's
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No reason why you can't And Yeah.
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And, and you, and you can nowadays. Mm-hmm.
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Like, uh, what I've learned through this journey is
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that I've achieved the best physique
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that I could actually ever have at the age of 48.
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And do I look like I'd looked at 48?
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No, but I'm pretty darn close to it.
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And with the right steps and measurements mm-hmm.
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If I needed to. Yeah.
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I'm only like five, six away, five,
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six weeks away from doing uhhuh what I need
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to, to look like that again.
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Right. Yeah. So I never really deviate
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and get like, quote unquote out of shape. Right. Um,
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Yeah. 'cause when I see
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you, like just it over time,
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your hard on yourself,
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but I'm like, I think you are doing fantastic.
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Yeah. Well, thank you. Like, different me, you know,
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we have different metrics of what is wellness,
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what is longevity, you know, in my industry
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to live longer is such an ambitious goal.
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You know, one 40 sounds crazy,
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but the answer to find that is really to go slower.
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Which is just so weird
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because you would think like, I need to try harder
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to live longer,
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but you need to actually like, mostly do less
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and live less hard and less aggressively, like Yeah.
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More Peacefully. So
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There's a rhythm, and I think you
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and I talked a little bit about this, right?
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There's a rhythm to life, and I've always, believe it
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or not, up until probably seven years ago, I had
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that mentality of like, I'm going to out ground you.
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Mm-hmm. I'm gonna outwork you.
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Uh, if I need to work out, you know,
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wake up at two o'clock in the morning, so
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before I became a vice principal.
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Absolutely. I used to be a school psychologist, so
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I would wake up at two, three o'clock in the morning
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and start writing psychology reports and,
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and plans for students. Um, because
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It feels like, like borrowed time, right?
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It feels like you've gained extra time.
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Well, for well, To get ahead.
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Yes. I used to, but then there was, there's this, this,
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um, ego.
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Mm-hmm. There's this ego, like, I'm mailing,
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I'm emailing all you fools mm-hmm.
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Before you wake up and have a cup of coffee. Yeah.
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I already wrote two reports, it worked out. Here you go.
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So, but that's, yeah. Like, I'm going to, uh, ground you.
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I, I I'll ground, ground you. Mm-hmm.
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And part of that mentality too was
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just, uh, bringing sports.
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Um, and then Kobe Bryant was like, uh,
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at one time was an idol.
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Um, and his mentality was, I'm gonna do two workouts a day.
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So it doesn't matter how hard you work out,
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because it compounds, right?
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Mm-hmm. You do two workouts a day after 14 day
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after seven days is 14.
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Right. You've only done seven. I've done 14.
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And when you start compounding that after a month,
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after a year, after five years,
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after 10 years, you're not catching me.
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Right. So I had this, but Yeah.
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The thing is, which is not accurate. It's not healthy.
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Yeah. It's not accurate. It's not healthy either.
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That's a, that's a false belief that we used to fall for.
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Mm-hmm. I, I fell for it. Yeah.
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So I've adapted a different rhythm. Right.
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Um, very intentional about my life
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and what I allow myself to spend time
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because, um, I, I'm very honored and grateful that I'm here.
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But when I say yes to this mm-hmm.
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I said no to something else. Right. Exactly.
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So you have to be very intentional about those things.
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Right. Am I perfect? No, but we try to be intentional. Yeah.
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And then now going back to the question of finding a better,
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better rhythm of life is, you know, you reflect at night
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what needs to be done the next day.
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Where did I miss my barriers?
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Which what you're describing is really a meditation.
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So medically, there's a lot of studies
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that just show meditating.
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Even 10 minutes is just healing. So what, that's okay.
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That's awesome. Yeah. Go ahead. And,
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and that's science supported.
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Well, not only that, but, but faith, right? Yeah.
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We, we talked about this too, off the air.
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Um, what is your brain neuroplasticity, right? Yeah.
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It changes, it adapts it,
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it does when we feed it our thoughts.
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Yeah. Um, and all of that, believe it
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or not, goes back biblically.
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Mm-hmm. Like all this stuff, like it's in the Bible. Yeah.
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So I've adapted a better rhythm where you, I,
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I reflect, meditate.
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What are the things where I missed the mark?
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How could I have improved today? Okay.
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I'm gonna leave that behind.
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How can I use that and see it as a way of overcoming it
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and not fall into the same mistake the next day?
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Right. That's so thoughtful.
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Then I do, uh, am I perfect against this or No,
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but we try to be intentional, right?
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Yeah. 'cause otherwise, what happens is life comes
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and whatever, which way the wind blows, you go.
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then you wake up one day
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and you are either divorced or you're bankrupt,
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and you're like, how did I get here?
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Yeah. Well, because you're not, I mean,
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those are extreme examples,
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But, but are they though? I don't know.
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No, they're not. No, they're not. I've
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Had two divorces that's that's too many.
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And same here. Um, and, but, um,
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but the beautiful thing about it too, those
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that I found out is that, um, I'm at a point of life
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where if I'm gonna experience any pain,
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there's gonna be a trade off.
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What's That? I'm, that trade off that pain is going to,
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is gonna cost somebody something.
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Meaning I'm either gonna gain some wisdom from it. Mm-hmm.
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It's gonna make me stronger. Mm-hmm.
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It's going to propel me to grow in something. Mm-hmm.
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But that pain is not just gonna be like,
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oh, I'm hurting them.
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That no, there's going be,
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there's gonna be a purpose for it.
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A purpose for like all the suffering.
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Actually, I say that. That's funny.
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There's purpose in it. Yeah.
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There's purpose. Everything I learned
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was painfully learned.
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And I don't know how to learn. It doesn't have
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To be that way Too. I
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don't know. But does it, I don't know how to learn.
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It doesn't have to be stress.
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Learning is the most effective,
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but maybe there I would take it.
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I would please tell me the other way.
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So, so let me finish back up a little bit. Sure.
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And we'll come back to this. So the better rhythm
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of life too, is, um, you know,
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on Sundays I reflect, I try to pause.
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Mm-hmm. I don't try to do any work.
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I try to really spend some time in myself,
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um, and not at work.
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Mm-hmm. And it's a way of pausing, recharging myself,
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to prepare me for the, well, I'm so healthy,
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so I can be more focused.
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Right. Yeah. And more efficient.
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Just one day per week is
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Yeah. Yeah. And then
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I tell people longevity.
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Like if you're not used to, and if you're not used to it,
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um, because in this society, in this world, it's like,
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you know, grind, grind work, that that's gonna, well,
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you're gonna grind yourself
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to some mental illness. Right. Some
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Healthy, well, I don't wanna say, you know,
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mental illness based, been there.
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Yeah. So, but you just like drive yourself into the ground,
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like full depletion.
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Like you run out of all of your chemicals.
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Like you have just nothing left in the tank,
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Or, or you, or you drive your family to the ground.
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Yeah. I don't, I should do, I should talk more.
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I mean, I'm speaking from experience, so Yeah.
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But so try to be very intentional about Sundays
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and just reflecting and taking back.
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But to go back to your, um,
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what was your other question? You follow up that, um,
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Um, I asked you, I threw a several,
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I kinda showered questions your way,
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but, um, really, I mean, the point is to go slower
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and to take those intentional pauses,
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which are science-based, that's meditation.
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And that, that's a space where, you know,
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if you're always in overdrive
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and always thinking you can borrow time
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and just do laps around people, you are,
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your heart rate's, it's faster.
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So your heart is working harder.
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And to work harder, you're using energy.
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And that takes neurotransmitters, chemicals, enzymes.
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Like you're, you're, you're doing physical work
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and giving off energy. Right. So, and
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Damage in our body. Right.
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It's damage and, and,
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And, and, and why we're trying to be healthy,
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like it doesn't, doesn't
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Make any sense. Right? Yeah. And that,
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yeah, that damage
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is actually called oxidation.
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So fatty oxidation, you're taking from your stored, uh,
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sources around the liver, visceral organs,
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or, you know, any fat storage,
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and you're just like, that's what you're using.
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And it can be good short term,
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it can increase your cortisol,
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which is actually not bad short term
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that increases your immune system.
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Right. It's like an immune boost.
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But then chronically, you're killing yourself. Right.
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You have to have the rest, you have to have that
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recovery phase to build the muscle to, to heal,
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to replenish everything that you just used up.
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Yeah. Burned out. I agree. I
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Agree. Yeah. And then just kind
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of going back to, um,
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I said an extreme example is
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that we go doing life without being intentional,
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and then the wind blows,
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and then all of a sudden we're either bankrupt
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or there's, uh mm-hmm.
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Issues in the, in, in a relationship or at work. Right.
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And that part of it is because we were not intentional.
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Mm-hmm. And looking at where we are at
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in certain areas of our life.
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And then here we are dealing with the mess.
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Right? Yeah. And, you know, like, so say you're intending
19:01
to slow down, and in regular medicine you would say, okay,
19:05
well here's a Xanax.
19:06
Do you see anything wrong with that?
19:07
Or is that the space to deviate?
19:10
I, I'm a big believer.
19:11
I don't believe in any, um, I've done a little bit
19:15
of research, obviously you're the expert on this area,
19:17
but, um, any substance that you take,
19:20
there's gonna be a side effect.
19:21
Mm-hmm. And, and at least completely agree.
19:24
Just to simplify, just
19:25
to simplify things based on the knowledge
19:27
and my, uh, studying
19:29
and research is that, um, we treat
19:33
symptoms not the root.
19:34
Mm-hmm. Right?
19:36
Totally. That's what brought me here.
19:37
That's so, so, because it's
19:38
Not, it's not, uh, adequate.
19:40
And I've been, I've been pretty healthy, to be honest.
19:42
I've been pretty healthy all my
19:44
life. I'm still pretty healthy
19:45
By the standards of, by the standard
19:47
of medicine. You're, is,
19:48
Is, is. Well, thank
19:49
you. Well, thank you.
19:50
Um, so, like, to me, that's never made any sense.
19:54
And I used to be a school psychologist Right. All the time.
19:58
I used to be a school psychologist,
19:59
and at one time I believed that, you know, that all
20:03
of our mental illnesses were chemical imbalances. Right.
20:07
I completely agree. Here's medication, right? Yeah.
20:10
Um, so let me go as far as medicine,
20:12
and I'll just be transparent.
20:14
Mm-hmm. Um, I went through a divorce seven years ago.
20:17
I did not want at all, and I'm smiling now
20:20
because that crushed me.
20:21
Mm-hmm. That crushed me.
20:23
We're having this conversation years, seven years ago.
20:25
Mm-hmm. You would've looked at me
20:27
and you were like, you're pathetic, dude.
20:29
Aw, get over. But that's where I was. So that was
20:31
Like your lowest low.
20:33
I was, that was my lowest low. Yeah.
20:34
But again, based on that, at some point, um,
20:39
and I'll just be very transparent, there's a time
20:42
and place for medication.
20:43
Mm-hmm. Uh, I literally went 30 days without sleeping.
20:48
Not 10 minutes. Not 10 minutes. I was still going to work.
20:51
I was still working out. It, it, it is not healthy, right?
20:56
No, it's not healthy because then you have a severe crash.
20:58
So I needed, like, harm is happening, right. So
21:00
Years are taken off. So
21:01
at that, yeah. So at that point, I said, okay, like,
21:04
I cannot, I'll work this out no matter how much I worked out
21:09
and how much I rent, I'm not out benching,
21:11
I'm not out squatting this divorce.
21:13
But what I learned later on is what I realized
21:15
that I was really mentally and emotionally fragile.
21:20
And this is no shot at anybody. Mm-hmm.
21:22
I'm just reflecting on me reflecting, reflect.
21:26
I will never, ever, ever,
21:30
ever feel like that again.
21:31
Ever.
21:32
I love that. Um, so what I say, pain's gonna pay me.
21:37
You got me, you got me there, you
21:40
Got school. That was a life
21:42
Lesson.
21:43
But again, because I used that,
21:48
God opened my eyes
21:50
and helped me realize what I needed.
21:53
And that started the journey of going even deeper
21:56
and more focused mm-hmm.
21:58
On my health and overall wholeness.
22:00
I didn't know what wholeness was. Mm-hmm.
22:02
And through this journey, I discovered wholeness.
22:05
You had to be broken first, which is like,
22:06
You have to be awful.
22:08
So, yeah. So, but I've shared this with you, kind
22:10
of like off, off record, um, you know, people
22:13
who believe in, in Christianity
22:15
or whatnot, we have this Americanized Christianity
22:16
where we want Jesus, gimme the job.
22:20
Jesus gimme that marriage, gimme that car. Mm-hmm.
22:22
You know, gimme all of that. Mm-hmm.
22:24
We all want that resurrection. Mm-hmm.
22:26
But nobody wants to be crucified. Yeah.
22:29
Nobody wants to crucify. Yeah.
22:30
But what I've learned is I salivate, I love the crucifixion.
22:34
Mm-hmm. Because I know it's gonna pay me something. Yeah.
22:37
And on the other end, I'm gonna come out
22:41
way better, stronger.
22:42
I'm gonna come out spiritually, emotionally fit some,
22:45
somehow I'm gonna come out better
22:47
because of it if you do it the right way.
22:49
Right. Um, going back to medication,
22:52
you can medicate yourself and, and be numb.
22:55
You're not growing. Mm-hmm.
22:57
So there's a time in place,
22:58
just going back to the whole medication.
22:59
There's a time in place. Yeah. I had it be stabilized. Yeah.
23:02
So after about three months of being on medication,
23:04
I was like, okay, it is, it's time.
23:07
Yeah. And I did this kind
23:08
of like on my own without my doctor.
23:09
I don't recommend this, but, um, we're all different. Yeah.
23:12
But slowly, I wound myself off of it.
23:15
And I'd say by, I believe by the end of the fourth month,
23:19
I was completely, and I still had a
23:21
process and deal with things. Right. Um,
23:23
Oh yeah. That's always gonna
23:24
be on the table.
23:25
Right. But, um, but again, that's where my whole, uh,
23:31
I started finding out too things like, um, you know,
23:34
you can't experience depression
23:36
or anxiety when you're moving.
23:37
You can be digging a hole.
23:39
You can be working out, you can be walking. Mm-hmm.
23:41
You cannot experience anxiety
23:43
or depression as long as you're moving.
23:45
Well, to that note, I feel like
23:47
maybe staying moving was my tool to,
23:50
to really sit still long enough to not even feel sadness.
23:54
Like I'm building an empire. I can't feel that.
23:57
But it it does at some point, which come up. Yeah. Yeah,
24:00
Yeah. Yeah. So, so,
24:01
and here's where I'm going with this too,
24:03
because all of us will kind of like, either will focus all
24:07
that energy on our work,
24:08
not work it, working out or whatever.
24:10
Mm-hmm. And it's, and it is good,
24:12
but this is where I'm going.
24:13
At some point, you gotta go in there.
24:16
You have to, and deal with that root.
24:17
You have to because mm-hmm.
24:18
Otherwise, it's gonna manifest at some
24:21
point of your life through
24:22
Other relationships, through some level of finance,
24:25
Health or codependency.
24:26
Codependency or something. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
24:27
Whether it's tv, whether it's spending Yeah.
24:31
Because you never dealt with whatever that root is.
24:34
There's a lot of predictive comorbidities.
24:37
So like different diseases that you can physically predict
24:40
and see come out
24:42
and, you know, there's studies, it shows like five, 10 years
24:45
or I'll have to pull those.
24:47
But it's, it's, I believe it still, it,
24:50
it goes into your body
24:51
and then you just manifest it into some illness.
24:54
It's gotta come out somewhere. It
24:55
Literally does.
24:56
And in a way, right, like you, you started your, uh,
24:59
career pursue that and really mm-hmm.
25:01
Energized your, your pain
25:03
or trauma to grow that, which is great.
25:06
Yeah. Uh, I did it as far as
25:08
growing even more physically in, in, in and emotionally.
25:13
Mm-hmm. But yes, at some point I had to
25:18
really go in and,
25:20
and forgive my kid's mom, you know, at mm-hmm.
25:23
Really, really at the, at the coach, because it would
25:24
Make you sick. It, it would make you
25:26
Toxic. Right. Like we, we, we
25:27
talk about,
25:28
but even, even like resentment
25:31
at one point was I thought it was good
25:33
because he would've energized me
25:34
and I've had some of the best workouts.
25:36
Right. But at the root of it, yeah.
25:39
I'm still drinking that poison. Right? Yeah. So, um, but so
25:44
That's dopamine dump that, right.
25:46
You were surged with epi nor epi,
25:48
and then you can, now it looks like you change
25:50
that into like your, your cold plunges
25:53
and other forms to access that, that source. Right?
25:57
Yeah. And I think I've, I, you know, I, I believe,
26:01
and I feel like I've done the, the deep healing
26:05
and everybody has their own different ways mm-hmm.
26:08
Of doing it. Right. Uh, whether it's through counseling, uh,
26:11
was lucky enough that, um, God placed some mentors,
26:15
spiritual leaders in my life,
26:17
and that helped with the whole growing and healing.
26:19
Um, now I do the workouts and all of that,
26:22
but that is, there's a different why I am doing it
26:25
now, now is mm-hmm.
26:27
I wanna live long, but not just
26:28
because, um, oh look, I live longer than
26:33
There, but to win, I'm trying to win again.
26:34
Yeah. It's not like for me now is to be around
26:37
for my kids, their grandkids.
26:39
Mm-hmm. Um, can I be a positive influence in whatever
26:43
setting that I am, whether it's the grocery store,
26:45
can I touch somebody's heart mm-hmm.
26:47
In life. And, and I'm, I'm not trying to say I'm this
26:50
big person, but if I can help somebody in any capacity, then
26:54
that's an extra token
26:55
that we can make the place this world
26:58
a better place. We're still
26:59
Aligned with that.
27:00
So, so I look at it that way. Right? Absolutely.
27:03
And it's not about the money, it's not
27:04
about any of those things.
27:06
Um, I've come to the realization of, of wholeness
27:10
is really, really important.
27:11
How many times do we see successful people,
27:13
whether they're in the business space, athletics, um,
27:17
entertainment, appear
27:18
To have it all In, in, in the commit suicide.
27:21
Yeah. Yeah. Fully successful.
27:23
Like, you look into like how Yeah. I'll
27:25
Tell you why. Like you had it
27:26
all. I,
27:27
I'll tell you why you were not
27:28
whole. Yeah. You were not complete.
27:29
Yeah. They probably, yeah.
27:31
And, and, and, and part of it is too,
27:33
is I've done some studies on this, um, there's a difference
27:37
between success and fulfillment.
27:40
Mm-hmm. Right. There's a formula of success.
27:42
If I work out for 30 years straight
27:45
and I eat pretty healthy, I'm gonna have a decent physique.
27:48
Mm-hmm. Is that fulfillment though? You know what I mean?
27:51
Subjective. So, so, right.
27:52
Well, well, well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Right.
27:55
What, what's the core, what's the reason what,
27:56
why driving this, so mm-hmm.
27:58
That, to me, that's why wholeness is very important.
28:01
It's, um, I think that it aligns more
28:04
with fulfillment mm-hmm.
28:06
Than success. I like that.
28:07
And there's nothing wrong with success.
28:08
I'm not Yeah. You know, like to each its own.
28:10
But I, I would hate to,
28:14
for anybody, including anybody close in my close circle
28:19
to reach success, crossed that line and be miserable.
28:23
Yeah. I feel like I have a good one for you with that.
28:26
Tell me, tell exactly that.
28:28
So I'm 42, my first You're a baby. Okay. I'll take it.
28:32
So my first career, so as, uh, 21, I did radiology.
28:36
So I did like 10 years in that.
28:38
And at some point in the middle, probably, like, I dunno,
28:41
when I was 24, I was like, I'm gonna be a doctor.
28:43
So Awesome. I was working full time, burning myself out,
28:47
and also doing pre-med and trying to volunteer.
28:50
I didn't know how everything worked.
28:52
I just like, bought the books, how to become a doctor.
28:55
I literally went to Barnes and Nobles
28:57
and like, was like, I'm, and I didn't have the right mentor,
29:00
but I, I tried, I thought that I had good mentors,
29:03
but people mostly don't know and they get it wrong.
29:06
And that's okay. So I feel like it took me longer
29:10
and I had to want it more.
29:11
And I had to figure out my why several different low points
29:15
and, and just like, just push through
29:18
and, uh, almost burn out several times and try to quit.
29:22
And people were like, you're not quitting.
29:24
Just all of this, you know, 20 years about, I mean, it was,
29:27
it was way longer than it needed to be,
29:30
but, but you're here.
29:31
I made it. And you know what?
29:33
I got my first job as a doctor after I graduated
29:36
and I just cried.
29:38
I was like, this is awful.
29:41
This is awful. I,
29:43
I'm Sorry. Thought.
29:44
So I did a telemedicine position,
29:47
and I really feel like the people
29:49
that were my support team just forgot about
29:51
me because I'm at home.
29:53
But to me, I was like, it took me so many years to be here.
29:57
I was like overzealous, ready, waiting at my computer
30:01
to call my patients.
30:03
And they had like 40 people on there.
30:05
It was supposed to be a long day,
30:07
but then here it is like 11 o'clock
30:09
and nobody has readied any of my patients.
30:11
There's like a process, like a check-in,
30:13
and I've tried to even like, just go around them.
30:16
I'm like, I'll just do it myself.
30:18
I can ready people how, like how hard could it be?
30:20
And create more work for you Yeah.
30:21
And add more work to you. Right. Oh my.
30:23
But I, but I didn't mind it. Right.
30:25
'cause I was like, but then
30:26
so the admin like, came down on me.
30:28
Right. Right. And so I just, I was like, this is horrible.
30:31
The admin in the control. Yeah.
30:33
I'm sorry, I had to throw that in. You know? Why? Why?
30:35
Because I think you and I are very similar in that respect.
30:38
Um, something that's simple.
30:40
Like even, even in my marriage where, you know what?
30:43
You're not doing it good enough for Right. Enough.
30:46
I'll just do it. Yeah.
30:47
That's me. So they, so then,
30:48
but it's what, what you do, it's not good.
30:50
It's, it's really poor leadership, by the way.
30:51
It's poor leader leadership. I mean that, I mean that
30:53
No, it is I agree. Of
30:54
my heart. Yeah. And I actively work on
30:56
That myself, because then you become for myself.
30:57
You yeah. You be, you, you enable them. Right.
30:59
I'm my own worker. You enable people. Yeah.
31:01
Yeah. So part of I'm
31:03
Like, how can I, yeah.
31:04
It's so you're in burnout that way. It's a very bad plan.
31:06
Right. You need help. You need to support. We all do. Yeah.
31:09
It's like there's a team, because there's a team.
31:11
You're sharing the workload.
31:12
So like, not one person is doing all the
31:14
work, but here's me.
31:15
I'm like, I'll just scoot you all the
31:17
way I'll, and that's stupid.
31:19
I was so tired. I was so mad, I was so irritated,
31:22
and I hated my job.
31:23
And I was just like, out of energy.
31:25
It, it physically just fatigued me.
31:27
And I was just like, this is not it.
31:29
I have to figure it out. Yeah.
31:31
So I, I think it's, um, so
31:33
what I've kinda learned through all of that, right?
31:35
Any, any door that I enter, um, I visualize
31:39
what do I want my family, my career to look like, um,
31:44
five, 10 years from now.
31:45
Mm-hmm. And what do I gotta do to get there?
31:48
Because we're born to create when we try to manage. Mm-hmm.
31:52
That's when stress, like, that's when things start kind
31:55
of like we're born to create.
31:57
Yeah. Um, and when you visualize and you see things
32:01
and you start working, that's when we become creators.
32:04
Yeah. And so on that note, like when I saw what I wanted
32:08
to be and create and do, but then the gap is like this.
32:13
I'm the first doctor in my family. Amen.
32:15
Nobody's gonna do it. Nobody knows how to do it.
32:18
No one's going to help me do it
32:21
because they can't, you know?
32:22
So it's really just like, I have to just figure it out.
32:26
And there's those moments where like, you do have to give
32:30
a lot more than your counterparts.
32:32
And it looks like this is not fair.
32:35
Like this person, they get to just live such a,
32:38
Is like, is life fair though?
32:39
It's not fair. It's not, it, it's not fair.
32:41
And I had to like make peace with that.
32:42
Peace with that. And you do, I,
32:44
I have this analogy, right?
32:46
Um, in the sports, uh, I don't know
32:49
how familiar you're with Boston Marathon.
32:50
I've never run a marathon before,
32:52
but Boston Marathon, right.
32:54
Do you have about 20 to 30,000 runners? Let me ask you this.
32:58
Is there enough room for all 20, 30,000
33:00
to start at the starting line?
33:01
That's a good question. No. So they're what?
33:05
There's, yeah. There's only so
33:07
Much. So does everybody start
33:08
at the starting line? No. No.
33:10
So in your position, oh, you didn't get to you, didn't you?
33:13
You're probably not way in the back. I feel like
33:15
I was way, I was way You were in the middle sister.
33:17
Was I, I don't know. I was pretty back there.
33:19
We can, we can, we can, we can probably go
33:21
to maybe like Africa or some of the star world countries
33:25
and, and let's, let's compare.
33:27
I'm not trying to like, that's funny. Minimize Yeah.
33:30
Your, yeah. Your, your path and your journey.
33:33
'cause it was challenging. Like I admire like that you,
33:36
that you sought this goal.
33:38
Yeah. And regardless of the obstacles
33:41
that included lack of support. Yeah. You,
33:44
I had a lot of good reasons to quit
33:46
You, but you didn't.
33:47
Mm-hmm. And you can take that to the bank. Thank you.
33:50
And anytime you, anytime you come up with any other
33:54
challenges later in life mm-hmm.
33:57
You have that mm-hmm.
33:58
Memory and your memory drive that you can tap into it.
34:01
So I'm gonna give you something very biblical
34:04
testimony, you know what that means?
34:05
Mm-hmm. Testimony. There's tests.
34:08
So biblically there's stories in the Bible that testified
34:11
that certain things took place.
34:13
Yeah. And they built, um, this,
34:17
whether this like a rock or,
34:20
or some type of, uh, not a tempo,
34:23
but, um, structure to remind them like, Hey,
34:27
we were there and we came here.
34:28
Yeah. And the same thing with us.
34:29
We have to testify to ourselves. Like, but we never do.
34:34
Um, like no, I went through
34:37
all those challenges painfully in medical field.
34:40
Yeah. But I survived. Mm-hmm. And I'm better for it. Mm-hmm.
34:44
So when you come through a storm again,
34:46
I've been through storms before.
34:48
Mm-hmm. And you tap into that to help you
34:53
believe because mm-hmm.
34:56
Hope. If you don't have hope in faith
34:57
in anything, then it's,
34:59
Ugh. I, I feel like
35:00
I had a moment like losing hope
35:02
and faith in marriages, especially the second one.
35:05
I was like, oh my goodness. Seriously again.
35:09
But then, you know, like walking through that whole process,
35:11
knowing how painful it was the first time,
35:15
but then it's like I had, uh, my cousin, she's like,
35:18
she started laughing one day
35:20
and I'm just like, breaking down.
35:21
I'm sorry. Yeah. No, it's okay.
35:23
But it's, but, but the pain is
35:24
where I learned in and I grew. But but look
35:25
At you. You're, but you're smiling
35:26
for me. Yeah. Same
35:27
Here. Yeah. She's
35:28
like, you're fine.
35:31
Like, you're never gonna be
35:32
as low as you were the first time.
35:34
Like, it's like you Exactly. Like you said. Yeah.
35:36
You just don't, you just don't. Yeah.
35:39
You learn from it and no one's going to, you're,
35:41
you're actually gonna get through it. It's fine.
35:43
You do. Yeah. We always do. We always make it through
35:45
Whether, you know, and, and I think it's wiring.
35:47
Like you're, you've created in that stress a pathway
35:51
that the nerves and the dendrites,
35:52
it's physical structures that we've proven.
35:55
They're, they're physically there. There's proof.
35:57
And we're creating pathways in the way that we think Yes.
36:00
And cope. And the way that we think leads to how we feel.
36:03
Yeah. And the way that we feel leads to coping. Yes. Good
36:06
Or bad. So it's gonna
36:07
be a shorter duration
36:08
and not as, not as bad. Yeah.
36:11
Yeah. Interesting.
36:13
And you know, like when also
36:15
whenever we, you think about pain, there's people
36:17
that have no pain.
36:19
Can you imagine? It seems like that would be a good thing.
36:22
No, they're physically born without any
36:25
sensory receptors.
36:27
They cannot have any sensory or sensation of pain.
36:31
Hot, cold, sharp.
36:33
That's, that's interesting.
36:34
But I think that it, on the other side of the token,
36:38
they're probably not able to experience joy
36:41
and happiness at the level that others
36:45
Interesting. I actually need
36:46
to see
36:46
what research the emotional center was involved.
36:51
I'm sure, you know, there's some variation,
36:53
but what I can say is
36:54
that you don't realize like all like the little micro
36:57
changes that we did in position, right?
36:58
Like, you're sitting here, like you shift your
37:00
weight, you move a little bit.
37:01
Like you have to have that to, to get like blood supplied
37:06
to the skin that you're sitting on.
37:08
You know, like you have to have those micro moves.
37:10
And there's people who just don't do that.
37:13
They don't think to do it.
37:14
'cause their body doesn't tell them to do it.
37:16
It's just so crazy to think that that's an actual, like,
37:20
necessary evil,
37:22
But Yeah. But,
37:23
but are created so unique, right? Mm-hmm.
37:29
Yeah. I think think about that.
37:30
And I, okay, so all things that we just said,
37:32
I don't still see like another way
37:34
that you don't painfully get to,
37:37
to learning. I think it just, you have to,
37:39
Well, I, I disagree.
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There's two ways that we can learn, right?
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Um, so I'll give you the behavior psychology
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background, um, example.
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A kid goes and touches the, the,
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the fire you get burned, right?
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Mm-hmm. That's one way of learning, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um,
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I'm tired of that way. The other, that's
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The other way. The, the, the other, the
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other, the other way
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is like, I'm ready.
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Hey honey, uh, don't touch. The fire hurts.
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Oh. Like listening to Yeah.
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Wisdom. So what I've learned is,
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is I've been very stubborn and I'm so,
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So Stubborn how to learn the hard way.
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Ugh. Yeah. But it doesn't have to be that way. Yeah.
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It does not. So I, I try to align myself with people
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with a lot of wisdom Yeah.
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And listen to them and
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Just choosing them. Right.
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So, and then not Yeah.
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But then you learn from them so you learn quicker. Mm-hmm.
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You save yourself some pain and trouble. Mm-hmm.
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Right? That'd be great. Right? Yeah.
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So that's part, that's part of like, one of the things
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that I try to surround myself
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and it's really difficult to find, um,
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just solid human beings who really are willing
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to give their time and their love because it's love.
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Right? Yeah. Because somebody who's gonna mentor you
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and give you wisdom mm-hmm.
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Uh, they're not really expecting anything in return.
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And you and I have talked, I've had some conversations
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about what is love, right?
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Yeah. Conditional, unconditional, right? Yeah.
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But somebody who's willing to pour into you,
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Regardless of how terrible of a person you are,
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right. That is like, and
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That's crazy. So to provide some wisdom
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and some guidance and, and to be able to be open
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and listen to that advice
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and that wisdom, whether it's a fitness mm-hmm.
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In the fitness industry or health industry
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and taking it and run with it.
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Right? Yeah. Um, that saves you a lot of time.
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That's a, I think that's a, that's a skill mm-hmm.
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That we, um, as humans don't have.
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But I think of it too is that there's not a lot
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of individuals who are willing to quote unquote,
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I would call it mentoring.
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Mm-hmm. Um, and spent,
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because you're giving your time, right? Yeah,
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Definitely. Um,
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But I think that that's where I'm at this point in life
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Where, and the goal is be whole. I like that.
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Um, when you give here, I'll give you this analogy,
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um, a tree, apple tree.
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Mm-hmm. What does it grow
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Apples For the tree or for others?
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For others. So when you have wisdom, when you have love
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and you give it to others, guess what happens to that tree?
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More fruit grows. But we've been taught
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That is Really cool. So
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we've been taught whether it's money,
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whether it's knowledge, whether it is whatever it is.
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Mm-hmm. Love, we're we society tells you
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to keep it.
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Mm-hmm. When you keep it, it doesn't grow,
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it doesn't bear any more fruit.
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Yep. When I give it mm-hmm. More. Yeah.
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Love more wisdom, whatever it is
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that I'm giving more growth inside.
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Yeah. 'cause there is a spirit in spirit in
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me is not what the world or other gives.
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Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, definitely.
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But, um, it doesn't make sense
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because it's really like reverse of how we've been trained
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and how we've been raised Yeah.
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And how society and the world works. Um,
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Well, to me, my takeaway is just like, you have to like
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look beyond yourself.
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And so when I went into an industry initially thinking,
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okay, I like aesthetics,
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but I realized I don't so much care about the outside.
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If I'm like, if I can already see that your inside is like
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such, like, it's so not okay.
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I can't ignore it. I'm not it healthy.
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It's hard to talk Botox.
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If I see that your soul is hurting, I
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Know. You're, you're striking the
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nerve here.
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That's why That's I got into functional me's.
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Here's I, and I love, and I love this too, um,
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because, um, you know,
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people going in, whether it's steroids,
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whether it's the enhancement,
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you're doing it literally
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because you're not okay with yourself.
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Mm-hmm. At the root of it, you're not,
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you're not okay with it.
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Like, just to be honest. Right? Yeah.
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And we all have insecurities. I'm not Yeah.
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But what if it's your job?
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Like say your job is like to compete,
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Like, are we talking about bodybuilding?
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Mm-hmm. I wouldn't do it because,
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But if that's your passion, you love it so much.
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I mean, to hear, to see the competitions and to see the,
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'cause there's natural competitions. Yes.
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You're Right. There's natural competitions. Yeah.
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So, like for me is I'm gonna stay as whole at
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as natural mm-hmm.
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As God created me to be. Mm-hmm.
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Anytime I start, especially now like 10 50,
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I didn't think this way, but mm-hmm.
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Where I'm at now, anytime I start walking away from my
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natural creating abilities and skills mm-hmm.
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Then I'm walking away from God's plan for me. Mm-hmm.
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God doesn't want me to do steroids. To compete for what?
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Yeah. Because, uh, this is just me.
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I'm here to glorify him and honor him.
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Um, and anytime I step outside of
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that, I become the idol. Mm-hmm.
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Then my evil. So like, living your purpose is definitely,
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I feel like the point,
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but then it takes so hard to arrive there.
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Like some people seem to find their purpose really early.
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I just, I took me to, it took me a
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While. Completely,
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completely transparent.
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I sometimes even question if I'm walking on purpose.
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Yeah, no, I question that too. Um,
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But, But, but then you have moments that,
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But you, but because part of this is that we have, um,
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we have purpose, we have assignments,
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and they're kind of the same, but they're not.
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So an assignment, I'll give you an example.
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Uh, I have daughters, right?
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Um, so part of an assignment in this, part
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of my purpose right now is those kids, for me
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to be the best father that I can be for whatever age
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and whatever need that they have, so
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Have, so it's like your level of impact on
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them, your footprint,
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Right? So that's an assignment.
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Um,
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the job do you have is an assignment.
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How are you gonna steward that?
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I have an assignment at work.
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Uh, how am I gonna lead the staff?
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How am I gonna lead students? How am I gonna treat them?
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How am I gonna discipline them? Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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And it's, and it's, so there's an assignment
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and it's not about me.
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It's about how can I serve the students,
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the staff, and the parents.
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Mm-hmm. I pick up trash. I, I, it's, there's
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When you can delegate it.
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When I can delegate it, but I don't.
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But I don't because it's a balance. You know?
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You know, you know, one of the things that I've,
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that I've come to realize, um,
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that I really enjoy two characteristics that are really,
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really hard to find in this world.
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Um, and I don't have 'em. I'm trying, and we can
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On those 'cause I know, But, um, it's hard to wrap up.
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So it's, um, confidence and humility.
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Okay. Confidence and humility.
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If you can find individuals who are confident, um,
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in humility that, because a lot of people have confidence,
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but we lack humility.
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If you can find individuals, those are really good traits
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to find in leaders, believe it or
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Not. Well, I've been humbled,
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so I feel like
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I'm surprised.
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I feel I was, I was very humbled.
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So through that, there's confidence in what we do here.
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Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, Jose.
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Thanks for having me. This was a pleasure.
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And, uh, let's do it again sometime. Absolutely.
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Hope y'all learn something.
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Wow.