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Bucky on Roster Development and Individual Strengths | Huddle Up: Wednesday, May 3 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The Fields Auto Group proudly presents Huddle.
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Speaker 2: Up with Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 3: JP Shadrick, John Oser, and NFL Network analyst and former
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Speaker 3: Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on your Jacksonville Jackwars.
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Speaker 1: We're not done.
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Speaker 3: We're going to continue to work to build this team
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Speaker 3: and makes as potent as we.
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Speaker 4: Can going into the regular season.
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Speaker 3: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Today is Wednesday, May third, JP Shadrick with NFL Network
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Speaker 2: analyst Bucky Brooks, Jaguars dot Com SINGI writer John Oser
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Speaker 2: your pods. All of our shows available there. And here
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Speaker 2: we are post draft, Bucky. Thirteen draft picks are coming
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Speaker 2: to Jacksonville. It is a haul for Trent, Balky and Doug.
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Speaker 4: Look a lot of players. I mean, just when you
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Speaker 4: think about this year numbers thirteen players vying for opportunities
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Speaker 4: on the squad. It's a great opportunity. It's a great
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Speaker 4: opportunity for the Jaguars to upgrade the talent behind the starters,
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Speaker 4: also filled in some gaps, but also create competition on
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Speaker 4: what should be a team that is one of the
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Speaker 4: best teams in the AFC.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know that people want splash in drafts,
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Speaker 3: and I feel like they did what they wanted to
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Speaker 3: at the top. I keep thinking back to the fact
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Speaker 3: that this was a team for I felt three or
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Speaker 3: four years before last year with a substandard roster. In
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one Urbans year transfers, you remember, they signed
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Speaker 3: all those free agents JP and Bucky was with us.
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Speaker 3: That felt like making up for lost drafts, you know,
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Speaker 3: felt like trying to make up for speed that wasn't
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Speaker 3: there anymore. For So, at some point, if you're going
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Speaker 3: to get back to being the kind of roster you want,
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Speaker 3: those guys that they were signing as free agents that year,
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Speaker 3: if you follow me, have to be young draft picks
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Speaker 3: going into their second and third year and being with
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Speaker 3: the team. So if out of thirteen of these guys,
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Speaker 3: not all of them are gonna be good, but if
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Speaker 3: eight or nine of them are really good players who
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Speaker 3: you feel good about, five or six out of that
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Speaker 3: group develop into guys that you'll love by year three
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Speaker 3: or four. Then you're raising the talent and the youth
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Speaker 3: and what you like, you're raising it back up. And
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Speaker 3: that had to be done it some time. I don't
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Speaker 3: think they went into the draft thinking that was absolutely
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Speaker 3: the plan, but I do feel like that should be
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Speaker 3: a side effect of this.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it absolutely is a side effect. I mean, those
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Speaker 4: are the things that you want, Those are good problems
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Speaker 4: to have. This or this will be by far the
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Speaker 4: most talent that this team has had in a long time,
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Speaker 4: in terms of just eliminating some of the glaring holes
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Speaker 4: and weaknesses in the roster, creating a situation where you
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Speaker 4: actually are trying to build depth as opposed to trying
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Speaker 4: to fill out starting lineups, and then you have a
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Speaker 4: chance to also develop young players. And so if you
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Speaker 4: are sitting here now, you're trem balk you, Doug Peterson,
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Speaker 4: you certainly like where the program is at, but you
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Speaker 4: also are pushing to get this team ahead of the
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Speaker 4: other guys. I think last year just kind of wet
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Speaker 4: the appetite a little bit in terms of going to
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Speaker 4: the postseason, being able to win a playoff game, losing
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Speaker 4: in the Divisional round two. The team that eventually won
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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. I think all odds are on experiencing
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Speaker 4: things beyond what they experienced last season.
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Speaker 2: It's the Huddle Up podcasts. All right, let's go through
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Speaker 2: some of these picks and we'll start off at the
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Speaker 2: very top. Of course, first round, Jaguars trade back twice
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Speaker 2: to get some Day three picks. They end up selecting
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma tackle Anton Harrison at number twenty seven overall. And
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Speaker 2: after the draft, buck you, Doug said that Doug Peterson
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Speaker 2: said that he's gonna play right tackle. Let's go put
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Speaker 2: him in there right away and see what the kid has.
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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's really interesting that they bring
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Speaker 4: him in and that Doug Peterson has already said he's
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Speaker 4: gonna play right tackle because the guy that he replaces
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Speaker 4: is very similar to what Antoine Harrison is and what
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Speaker 4: he could be as a player. Super long, super rangey
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Speaker 4: and athletic. But the overall skill sets pretty raw. When
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Speaker 4: you think about Juana Taylor and how Jawana Taylor entered
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Speaker 4: the league, he also was a guy who had great
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Speaker 4: physical tools, great prototypical dimensions in those things, but was
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Speaker 4: raw needed to be refined and developed in those things.
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Speaker 4: Harrison will need to do that, but he'll just do
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Speaker 4: it as a starter as opposed to a backup. This
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Speaker 4: year him an opportunity to kind of accelerate his learning
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Speaker 4: curve because he will experienced so many reps his first season.
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Speaker 3: How do you see his playing out? But I mean,
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Speaker 3: you've got cam is going to be on suspension. It
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Speaker 3: sounds like, certainly that's the word, and walk a little
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Speaker 3: over on the left. Obviously, it's a good problem to have,
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Speaker 3: and and a lot of times injuries sort of sort
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Speaker 3: this thing out. But do they all stand in the
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Speaker 3: lineup somewhere all year? You know what I'm getting that?
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Speaker 3: I mean, the interesting thing is if it feels like
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Speaker 3: if Doug sat them all down in his office individually
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Speaker 3: and said, hey, what position do you feel best at?
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Speaker 3: I think all three that say left tackle, because that's
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Speaker 3: what Anton's played. Walker's played his best there, and so
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Speaker 3: as cam U. Again, I think it's a good problem
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Speaker 3: to have because I think you can put your best
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Speaker 3: guys wherever they go. But how do you see that
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Speaker 3: shaking out?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, so this would be interesting because you want
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Speaker 4: to play the best five on the front line. I
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Speaker 4: think the way that they have it penciled in is
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Speaker 4: the way that it is shake out, meaning Antoine Harrison
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Speaker 4: will start and probably finish his time with Jack's on
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Speaker 4: the right side and he's comfortable. He will learn how
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Speaker 4: to be comfortable there, because when I told you he
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Speaker 4: was raw and undeveloped. You need to work on a
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Speaker 4: skill set. You might as well work on a different
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Speaker 4: set of tools right now when he's not necessarily in
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Speaker 4: a position that is a pressing need. Walker Little can
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Speaker 4: play on both sides. He's demonstrated before that he can
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Speaker 4: play on both sides. And so this is one where
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Speaker 4: if you're Doug Peterson, you assess where these guys are
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Speaker 4: when it's time to come off to the suspension, and
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Speaker 4: then you make a decision on which career you really
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Speaker 4: trying to gamble on as your long term answer at
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Speaker 4: the spot.
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Speaker 2: And as you said, John, we always have to see
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Speaker 2: what happens whenever that suspension is done, what the state
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Speaker 2: is or the line at that.
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Speaker 1: Point, you don't know. You can't really tell the future
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Speaker 1: in that regard.
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Speaker 3: Well, we spend so much time and I always try
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Speaker 3: to be conscious of it. You talk all off season
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Speaker 3: about a team as if you're playing Madden in no
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Speaker 3: injury mode. If they're indeed.
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Speaker 4: So.
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Speaker 3: And that's why I thought the draft overall, uh made
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Speaker 3: so much sense. Because I'm kind of off topic, but
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Speaker 3: last offseason, every time Travis Etn went down, you held
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Speaker 3: your breath on what was going to happen when he
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Speaker 3: went down. Uh, So the depth I think does matter.
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Speaker 3: But getting back to that topic, they were really healthy
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Speaker 3: last year until they weren't and then Walker Little was
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Speaker 3: able to come in and play well. I think they
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Speaker 3: got back to where they want to be because I
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Speaker 3: think this team philosophically looks at it like they want
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Speaker 3: seven or eight offensive linemen that can start.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 3: They've got Shatley, They've got Anton Harrison. Now I don't
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Speaker 3: think they're comfortable with just five and a couple of
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Speaker 3: guys can come in for a game or two. I
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Speaker 3: think philosophically they want those seven, and I think they
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Speaker 3: got it again.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's important that you do that because that's how
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Speaker 4: you determine who gets jersey on game day. You want
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Speaker 4: guys that can really contribute, not just guys that are
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Speaker 4: hanging out there. But if you ever put them in,
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Speaker 4: you have no chance. And so you're trying to updated
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Speaker 4: in all areas to make sure that you have that
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Speaker 4: kind of depth on your roster.
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Speaker 2: Let's move along now to the second round, pick number
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Speaker 2: sixty one overall Penn State tight end, Brenton Strange and Bucky.
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Speaker 2: If you go to YouTube and you look up the
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Speaker 2: Penn State Auburn highlights from last year, it's basically all
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Speaker 2: Brenton Strange. It was his best game in terms of
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Speaker 2: statistics last season. Six catches eighty yards, really one of
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Speaker 2: his best career outings. And then he was the lead
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Speaker 2: blocker on a couple of big time runs in that game.
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Speaker 2: They lined him up all over and that kind of
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Speaker 2: tells you the story of what Penn State did with him,
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Speaker 2: at least all over. The formation can move him anywhere,
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Speaker 2: lead block can catch, and he's gonna fit just fine
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Speaker 2: in this Doug Peterson offense as a tight end.
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Speaker 1: Two.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he will fit in. And what I love
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Speaker 4: about this pick is of the interchangeable parts that the
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Speaker 4: Jacks have now assembled on the perimeter. Let's talk about
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Speaker 4: the wide receivers, Calvin Ridley, Christ kurk z A Jones.
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Speaker 4: Each one of those players can play any specific any
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Speaker 4: spot on the field at wide out, at tight end.
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Speaker 4: I mean you have Evan Ingram who can bounce around
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Speaker 4: and play as a jumbo wide receiver or as an
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Speaker 4: inline inline tight end. Well, now you backstop him with
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Speaker 4: another player who has similar attributes and traits in terms
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Speaker 4: of Brandan Strange And so what this does is it
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Speaker 4: gives you an opportunity to dictate the terms to the defense.
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Speaker 4: It gives you an opportunity to do what they did
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Speaker 4: last year. We're gonna run the same plays out of
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Speaker 4: different concepts and formations, and you can have a little
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Speaker 4: fun because one the area that they haven't fully explored
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Speaker 4: is they can up the pace and be able to
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Speaker 4: do a little different stuff in terms of being able
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Speaker 4: to go quick with twelve personnel on field, one back
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Speaker 4: to tight ends to wide receivers and still get into
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Speaker 4: some of these unique looks they create wide open one
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Speaker 4: on one situations for everybody.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought all weekend and I saw it differently
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Speaker 3: than a lot of fans did, because a lot of fans,
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Speaker 3: you know, while we're complaining, because that's that's what fans do, JP,
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Speaker 3: I don't.
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Speaker 4: You know that.
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Speaker 3: But I thought this whole draft offensively really got them
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Speaker 3: to where Doug Peterson wants to be. Offensively and it's
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Speaker 3: hard to do that in one offseason. I think they
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Speaker 3: took a huge step toward it last year, but then
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Speaker 3: there were times on the field JP where you could
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Speaker 3: see that they weren't quite personnel wise where Doug liked
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Speaker 3: to be, and Bucky, in something he wrote for Jaguars
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Speaker 3: dot Com, mentioned that with Strange they can get back
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Speaker 3: into twelve personnel a lot more. I got so many
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Speaker 3: questions last year from fans saying, well, why aren't there,
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Speaker 3: why aren't they using the tight ends like they did
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Speaker 3: in Philly. Well, I don't think he really thought he
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Speaker 3: had enough tight ends to do it that way that
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Speaker 3: fit what he wanted to do. I think this year
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Speaker 3: you'll see them use a lot more because Strange and
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Speaker 3: Ingram feel like those guys who can play in twelve
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Speaker 3: and be balanced. I just think they got closer to
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Speaker 3: being a Doug Peterson offense this weekend.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think it's really important you talk about
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Speaker 4: twelve personnel and why that is, just because now with
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Speaker 4: twelve personnel, Doug Peterson gets to dictate what the defense
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Speaker 4: wants to be in. Do they want to be in
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Speaker 4: nickel all the time? Do they want to be in dime?
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Speaker 4: If they are and down, can we run them out
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Speaker 4: of it by running the football with those two tight
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Speaker 4: ends attached to their respective tackles or do you want
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Speaker 4: to just kind of create different combinations. So this is
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Speaker 4: a I mean, look, it's really what you want. Is
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Speaker 4: really going into year two you're talking about going from
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Speaker 4: good to great. This is when it happens that second offseason,
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Speaker 4: being able to put all the finisy tousches on the
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Speaker 4: rebuilding project.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tom Moore, i'n'ts coordinated with the Colts when I
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Speaker 3: was there, and one of the offensive mines in the
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Speaker 3: last twenty twenty five years. You tell me all the time.
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Speaker 3: He thought twelve personnel was the best personnel if you
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Speaker 3: had the right personnel to use it, because when you
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Speaker 3: have two tight ends, the defense has to make a
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Speaker 3: choice are you going to be safety heavy or linebacker heavy?
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Speaker 3: And then if your tight ends are good, you can
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Speaker 3: take advantage of what the defense does and it done right.
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Speaker 3: He thought it was the most difficult defense to defend,
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Speaker 3: and again, the Jaguars couldn't use a lot of it
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Speaker 3: last year because you sort of knew when man Hurts
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Speaker 3: or Arnold were in the game what they were going
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Speaker 3: to do. They were gonna want to throw if Arnold
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Speaker 3: was in or run if Man hurts. This feels a
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Speaker 3: little more balanced on that front, so it's gonna be
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Speaker 3: interesting to see how they use that.
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Speaker 2: John, you mentioned that Tank Bigsby the Auburn running back,
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Speaker 2: of course, number eighty eight overall third round pick, and
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Speaker 2: you'll have an ozone podcast with Tank coming up soon.
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Speaker 3: I will just talk to him right before this show
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Speaker 3: and Uh, good kid. Uh, I got to know him
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Speaker 3: a little bit. Uh he's wearing well, I won't I
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Speaker 3: won't share that. I'll tease that if you want to
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Speaker 3: know what number Tank is, Tank Bigsby is wearing Bucky
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Speaker 3: Listen to the ozone podcast.
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Speaker 4: Ooh, I'm as tune in for that, and.
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Speaker 3: I won't even tell you. If you call me later,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna make you listen. I'm gonna make you listen
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Speaker 3: to the podcast. So don't bother with that. Tame the game.
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Speaker 4: You need to click and the download is very important.
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Speaker 4: We all are looking at us, spreads. She's making sure
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Speaker 4: that we're doing what needed to be done.
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Speaker 3: I got you, And I'll go back to what I
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Speaker 3: said about this pick JP. I I think he gives
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Speaker 3: him balance a running back by committee, and the physicality.
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Speaker 3: All those things we've talked about with Bigsby all make
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Speaker 3: perfect sense to me. But again, sometimes in the off
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Speaker 3: season we talk so much about theories and depth charts
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Speaker 3: and and I wear guys fit in terms of a
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Speaker 3: starting lineup. I just remember over and over again last
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Speaker 3: year when Etn would go down and be slow getting
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Speaker 3: up a little bit, or he had to deal with
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Speaker 3: his foot against Baltimore. I think, you know, every time
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Speaker 3: you'd be like, Okay, well, what are they going to? Like?
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Speaker 3: What's next? Where are they going to go from this?
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Speaker 3: You know, I haven't talked to Doug about it, but
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Speaker 3: I'm sure there were times where he was thinking the
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Speaker 3: same thing. Yes, I like these backs we've got, but
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Speaker 3: wouldn't it be nice to have a guy that you
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Speaker 3: felt if Bigsby had to start, would you worry about it?
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Speaker 3: So I think that was a big reason for the
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Speaker 3: pick as well.
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Speaker 2: We'll see what Tank has offered when he arrives in
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Speaker 2: Huddle Up Podcast. Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast.
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Speaker 2: J P Shadrick, john Oser, and Bucky Brooks were reviewing
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: Jaguars draft class.
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Speaker 2: We've gone through the first three rounds Now, it's on today,
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Speaker 2: three Saturday. The Jaguars entered with ten picks. They came
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Speaker 2: away with ten players and an additional draft pick in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 1: To go with that.
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Speaker 3: Without referring to your notes, name them.
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Speaker 2: Trel Miller, I'll give you Ventre Miller. I'll give you
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Speaker 2: Lacy from Oklahoma State. Antonio Johnson was the second fifth
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Speaker 2: round pick in order.
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I've already got a order. It is a
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Speaker 1: lot of guys.
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Speaker 3: It was Someday, Yeah, it was Abdullah. I missed Abdullah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: and I Bucky I liked when you're drafting ten, it's
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Speaker 3: hard to find a theme from it. But the fourth
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Speaker 3: and fifth round really seemed to address special teams, and
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Speaker 3: it seemed to address front seven depth where you felt like,
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Speaker 3: if they can get a couple of guys who can
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Speaker 3: be part of a rotation for a year and then
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Speaker 3: get one or two guys out of that to be
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Speaker 3: somewhere in the long term answer, then that's what you
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Speaker 3: would have won out of those middle rounds.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so inside the building, fourth round or lower, it
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Speaker 4: is considered a developmental grade is one of those grades
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Speaker 4: that you put on someone who they have redeeming qualities,
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Speaker 4: but it's not quite good enough to be NFL NFL
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Speaker 4: starting caliber. And so it's just really important that when
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Speaker 4: you take as many guys as we've taken forsroundal lord,
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Speaker 4: you have enough seth space to deal with all the things.
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Speaker 4: Then you really to have everything under control to be
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Speaker 4: able to get this done. And so we'll see, like
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Speaker 4: when it comes to like building this team out is
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Speaker 4: making sure that you kind of backstop your main positions
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Speaker 4: to give yourself enough opportunities to find guys that can
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Speaker 4: make the team and contribute not only special teams, but
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Speaker 4: maybe down the line as legitimate role players.
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Speaker 2: Let's touch briefly on Let's start with Tyler Lacywan you know,
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma State defensive end. And I said it on Draft night, Bucky.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you agree with this, but it
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Speaker 2: feels like almost a De One smooth type player. Guy
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Speaker 2: who can move around, versatile, who knows what happens with smooth.
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Speaker 2: He's a free agent coming off the Achilles. But maybe
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Speaker 2: this is the next step. Yeah, no, I mean I
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Speaker 2: think it is the next step. I think you have
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Speaker 2: to continue to do that. I mean, when you bring
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Speaker 2: players in like that, what you're trying to do is one,
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Speaker 2: you got to upgrade the edge rushers, to upgrade the
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Speaker 2: people that can create disruption off the edge.
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Speaker 4: Regardless of who was already dead. You can't turn down
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Speaker 4: a dominant or elite pass rusher. And so they feel
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Speaker 4: like Lacey has some characteristics that could make him elite,
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Speaker 4: and so that's why you pour the trigger. And then
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Speaker 4: what you hope is maybe not in year one, but
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Speaker 4: by year two he's beginning to develop develop a series
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Speaker 4: of moves that will allow him to consistently get to
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Speaker 4: the quarterback. So it's not say anything that's crazy whatever.
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Speaker 4: You just want to make sure that you have enough
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Speaker 4: in case not ever to come back at that level.
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Speaker 4: You got a young guy to hop it, ready to develop,
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Speaker 4: to feel that role.
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Speaker 3: Well and he I mean, you can certall from this draft.
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Speaker 3: I thought that Balky's a parcels guy because every one
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Speaker 3: of these guys has has traits. For the most part,
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Speaker 3: Lacey has that did it in college, has the numbers
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Speaker 3: to back up that he can do things, and not huge,
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Speaker 3: huge numbers, but productive in college and played a lot
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Speaker 3: of games, so you know, it's uh. I liked the
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Speaker 3: pick for that reason. I also liked Ventrel Miller. Yes,
19:19
Speaker 3: they seemed to take advantage a little bit bucky of
19:24
Speaker 3: some COVID guys, meaning guys who played five or six
19:27
Speaker 3: years in college. They're older coming in. Maybe they're a
19:31
Speaker 3: little more ready to play roles, and they have maybe
19:35
Speaker 3: that man's strength that I talk about. You know, a
19:37
Speaker 3: twenty one year old old man, it's different, yeah, than
19:40
Speaker 3: a twenty four year old person. Maybe a little more
19:43
Speaker 3: ready this draft class.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think I think you can say that.
19:46
Speaker 4: And I'll say this, I don't know how much farther
19:49
Speaker 4: down will go, but I'll say of the picks that
19:51
Speaker 4: we talked about the fourth and fifth round, I would
19:54
Speaker 4: say keep an eye on Antonio Johnson from Texas and
19:57
Speaker 4: m This was a guy who was really rated highly
20:00
Speaker 4: coming into the season. Didn't necessarily play up to the standard,
20:03
Speaker 4: But when you watch the tape, there's a lot of
20:04
Speaker 4: things that you like. Instinctive of wearing his box, afety,
20:08
Speaker 4: big hitter, fearless in his approach. He'll have a chance,
20:12
Speaker 4: he'll have a chance to, you know, kind of make
20:15
Speaker 4: some things happen and maybe crack the rotation as a
20:19
Speaker 4: Don defender before it's all said and done.
20:21
Speaker 1: Hey, Bucky.
20:22
Speaker 2: Every time you see a highlight film of him, there's
20:25
Speaker 2: like the receiver's head over heels after he got hit
20:28
Speaker 2: by him, like it's he is a hard Yeah, this
20:31
Speaker 2: guy is aggressive.
20:32
Speaker 4: Super aggressive, super aggressiven, drop down in the box, can tackle,
20:35
Speaker 4: And so when you think about i mean look at
20:37
Speaker 4: think about some of the stuff that we've done with
20:39
Speaker 4: Dewey being able to put him in the thing and
20:42
Speaker 4: some of the creativity that Mike call Wether's displayed and
20:46
Speaker 4: trying to get this defense up and going, well, now
20:48
Speaker 4: you have a player who athletically can do all he
20:51
Speaker 4: can do all that stuff. You know, he can he
20:53
Speaker 4: can handle heavy workload, being in the slide man and
20:56
Speaker 4: man all of that stuff, but he also has enough
20:59
Speaker 4: awareness and experience not to fall for the okie dope,
21:03
Speaker 4: good mix of talent.
21:04
Speaker 3: So Bucky, I you know, I thought they were going
21:08
Speaker 3: corner first day, I mean first or second day. Assess
21:15
Speaker 3: corner right now in this team and do they do something?
21:18
Speaker 3: Do they ride with it? How do you see it?
21:21
Speaker 4: It's tough. I mean, like the one thing you would
21:24
Speaker 4: like to get a high end corner. You wanted to
21:26
Speaker 4: get one there. The board just didn't break like that
21:29
Speaker 4: when they were picking. And so now you have a
21:31
Speaker 4: couple of options. You can go and scout a free
21:34
Speaker 4: agent market, look for guys that are good fits. You
21:36
Speaker 4: can kind of shake shake the bushes out and just
21:40
Speaker 4: kind of see if anybody falls out. Do we miss
21:41
Speaker 4: Anybody's anyone available for trade that can come in and
21:44
Speaker 4: help us out. And the third thing is, man, we
21:46
Speaker 4: just got to figure out a way to sit back
21:51
Speaker 4: and look at what we have and assess what we
21:54
Speaker 4: have there. Can we develop anybody? Can we put somebody
21:57
Speaker 4: in the game into rotation that maybe we hadn't thought about,
22:00
Speaker 4: And if we can't, we need to look at another
22:02
Speaker 4: ross and see if they're a handful of targets that
22:04
Speaker 4: we can swipe over the next couple weeks.
22:08
Speaker 2: So huddle up podcast, We'll touch on the sixth and
22:11
Speaker 2: seventh round guys quickly here just as a whole, Penn
22:14
Speaker 2: State wide receiver Parker Washington, Rutgers defensive back Christian Praswell,
22:18
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh dB Eric Hallett, the second and then three seventh
22:21
Speaker 2: round picks app State o' linman Cooper Hodges from right
22:24
Speaker 2: at the road in Baker County, North Carolina defensive tackle
22:27
Speaker 2: Raymond Vahassik and Houston fullback Derek Parrish. Of those sixth Bucky,
22:32
Speaker 2: which a couple are you most excited about as a project?
22:37
Speaker 1: Maybe long term.
22:41
Speaker 4: This is a little tough, But here's what I'll say,
22:45
Speaker 4: given the secondary struggles, I'm gonna give you two Christian
22:48
Speaker 4: Bradswell from Rutgers cornerback they see if you can step
22:51
Speaker 4: up and fill a void, and then Eric Hellett the
22:54
Speaker 4: second from Pittsburgh safety. You think about this team has
22:57
Speaker 4: added to safeties and a corner in the draft. Think
23:00
Speaker 4: about all the currency that they've kind of committed to it.
23:03
Speaker 4: We still haven't been able to get it right. And
23:06
Speaker 4: so this is one where you want to make sure
23:08
Speaker 4: you bring in the right character, fits guys that fit
23:11
Speaker 4: kind of like the program, and then you want to
23:13
Speaker 4: make sure he gets after it.
23:15
Speaker 3: Do you think, what do you think about Washington?
23:17
Speaker 4: Buck?
23:17
Speaker 3: I mean, I look at the receiving Corps. I either
23:20
Speaker 3: really strong at the top. After that it's Tim Jones,
23:25
Speaker 3: Jamal Agnew. Yeah, so at some point somebody out of
23:32
Speaker 3: this group beyond Ridley, Kirk and Jones. It stands the
23:38
Speaker 3: reason somebody's got to play at some point, because it's
23:41
Speaker 3: hard to be healthy for eighteen twenty one games. Anybody
23:45
Speaker 3: out of that group. Ken Washington, I know he's a
23:47
Speaker 3: run after catch guy. I think you know at some
23:50
Speaker 3: point depth will be a factor. Can he be part
23:53
Speaker 3: of that or is it too soon?
23:54
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean you would like to think you
23:57
Speaker 4: can be a part of it, but it is kind
23:58
Speaker 4: of soon. You just your hope, you know, both things
24:01
Speaker 4: crossed that he'll be able to be a part of
24:02
Speaker 4: that conversation. Uh, but you got a plan for the
24:04
Speaker 4: here and now while also keeping an eye towards the future,
24:07
Speaker 4: and so here and now the way the board broke,
24:10
Speaker 4: you kind of landed with what you have, and so
24:12
Speaker 4: you're always looking to turn the bottom third of the roster,
24:15
Speaker 4: and so you'll look out for some potential uh drays.
24:18
Speaker 4: You'll you'll kind of have these meetings and discussions and
24:20
Speaker 4: you'll kind of talk about names and those things, and
24:22
Speaker 4: then you'll you find it, I want to say, a sucker,
24:24
Speaker 4: but you'll find a sucker. Someone is willing to kind
24:26
Speaker 4: of go through that, all.
24:28
Speaker 1: Right, Bucky, Well there you go. Hey, the draft's over.
24:32
Speaker 1: So are you going to like the beach for two
24:34
Speaker 1: weeks or what do you do? Bucky? What happens now?
24:38
Speaker 4: No? You? Uh, I'm I'm I'm still at it. I'm
24:42
Speaker 4: still grinding. I'm still going. I know, like you guys
24:44
Speaker 4: like to take vacation stuff like that. But no, it's
24:46
Speaker 4: all work, no play over here.
24:47
Speaker 2: I mean, I figured you'd be sitting down in Malibu
24:49
Speaker 2: just like kind of hanging out movie stars, zipping my ties, Sunset,
24:54
Speaker 2: the whole deal.
24:55
Speaker 4: No, no, no, none of that. We're just gonna do it.
24:59
Speaker 4: I can't wait to go to Minniicamp, can't wait to
25:01
Speaker 4: stand besign. H J. O. White's charting receptions and making
25:06
Speaker 4: sure that we can give the people what they want.
25:08
Speaker 4: Everyone wants to know what people are doing. Jo so
25:10
Speaker 4: I want I want to make sure that you have
25:11
Speaker 4: your pen and your pad ready to chart these completions.
25:15
Speaker 4: Let everybody know who the Hike guys are sleepers.
25:17
Speaker 3: I think you know, I think it's eight days to
25:20
Speaker 3: rookie Minicamp, So yeah, coming in it's eight long days
25:24
Speaker 3: for me because I am looking forward to it. And uh,
25:28
Speaker 3: I will be there if forced.
25:34
Speaker 4: You will be there if forced. John, You know what
25:37
Speaker 4: I didn't hear. Who's who's your favorite Who's your favorite
25:41
Speaker 4: draft pick? Who's the guy that you're excited about you
25:43
Speaker 4: asked me about to look here from pan se, Who's
25:45
Speaker 4: the guy you're excited about?
25:46
Speaker 3: I kind of went with two. I just liked the Uh.
25:49
Speaker 3: I liked to Day two a lot. I liked that
25:53
Speaker 3: they went with Strange and Bigsby to sort of give
25:58
Speaker 3: them what I think is a Doug Peterson offense.
26:01
Speaker 2: Uh.
26:02
Speaker 3: I think it'll be interesting to see this firepower. They've
26:06
Speaker 3: got a adding Ridley Bigsby and Strange feels like he's
26:13
Speaker 3: got the whole deck for the first time. So I
26:16
Speaker 3: don't think necessarily think there are other things that they
26:19
Speaker 3: could have done in that and uh, had the board,
26:23
Speaker 3: had the board fallen differently. I think the way I
26:25
Speaker 3: think the way it plays out makes it really interesting.
26:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Strange Now I think Johnson like else
26:33
Speaker 2: Johnson physicality. We need a little bit of that on
26:37
Speaker 2: the defensive side and in the secondary and see if
26:40
Speaker 2: he can compete and get in the starting lineup. And
26:42
Speaker 2: then you guys were talking about Strange just now. I
26:45
Speaker 2: saw it firsthand a couple of times. But he's he's
26:49
Speaker 2: the guy who can line up literally anywhere.
26:50
Speaker 4: I like that he does. I saw some step where
26:54
Speaker 4: he lined up like a three hundred rouse, like one
26:57
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty in a slide, a couple of line
27:00
Speaker 4: all the way out wide, like it'd be interesting to
27:02
Speaker 4: see how he's used and clearly.
27:04
Speaker 3: Douglas, Oh yeah, I mean I got a I got
27:08
Speaker 3: an idea or a gut that. You know, he would
27:13
Speaker 3: never say it, but I think he was probably pounding
27:16
Speaker 3: the table for that guy. I mean, I think he
27:18
Speaker 3: really liked that pick.
27:20
Speaker 4: So you said it early in the podcast where you're
27:22
Speaker 4: trying to recreate what he had in Philadelphia. This would
27:25
Speaker 4: be the closest situation where we're seeing the two tight
27:28
Speaker 4: ends where you can do it, because you have to
27:30
Speaker 4: remember he had Dallas, Goddard, zach Ertz, guys that are
27:33
Speaker 4: very similar in terms of playing style. He was able
27:36
Speaker 4: to use those guys as chess pieces. But I would
27:39
Speaker 4: say this, those two tight ends are surrounded by a
27:44
Speaker 4: superior wide receiver coord and what he had in Philadelphia.
27:48
Speaker 4: So it'd be interesting because when you take those two
27:50
Speaker 4: tight ends on the field, which wide receivers are you
27:53
Speaker 4: taking off the field? You know Kirk, you know Christan
27:56
Speaker 4: Kirk Ridley or Jay Jones. Like that's the give and
28:01
Speaker 4: take when it comes to playing more twelve personnel. Someone
28:03
Speaker 4: has to come off the field.
28:04
Speaker 3: I would anticipate not much of him early in the season,
28:10
Speaker 3: just because of what Bucky said that I anticipate a
28:14
Speaker 3: lot of fans, oh, we're strange, when the reality is
28:18
Speaker 3: they have players who will probably take those opportunities away.
28:23
Speaker 3: My guess is though, by November and December, when he's
28:27
Speaker 3: getting comfortable, I just feel like he's going to add
28:30
Speaker 3: a couple of wrinkles and be a factor as time
28:34
Speaker 3: moves on. That people really like, you know, and.
28:36
Speaker 2: You may not want to, you know, put it all
28:38
Speaker 2: out there early in the season. You want to save
28:40
Speaker 2: some things in your back pocket for the last month
28:42
Speaker 2: or so. That too, and the development of a rookie,
28:45
Speaker 2: all that combined into one.
28:46
Speaker 3: And yeah, I just Bucky. I mean it was kind
28:51
Speaker 3: of obvious. I don't give Bucky too much credit, but
28:54
Speaker 3: he's been saying since January pushing all the chips in
28:57
Speaker 3: offensively was going to be the way this thing went.
28:59
Speaker 3: And I, well, it's you.
29:02
Speaker 4: You finally beat me down, John. I went from being
29:06
Speaker 4: a guy at the lead in defense to being like,
29:08
Speaker 4: to heck with defense just outscorm and So we may
29:12
Speaker 4: have a lot of games that look like the Sacramento
29:14
Speaker 4: Kings and the Golden State Warriors, but it'd be a
29:16
Speaker 4: lot of fun for us to watch.
29:19
Speaker 2: They scoreboard is gonna light up like a pinballmus shit,
29:22
Speaker 2: that's what's gonna happen.
29:24
Speaker 1: Bucky. Enjoy the beach and we'll talk to you again
29:27
Speaker 1: next week.
29:28
Speaker 4: All right, man, we're talking to you.
29:30
Speaker 2: Bucky Books out of here, NFL Network, John Ozer, Thanks
29:33
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