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The Kenny Report | 13 January · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. I hope you've had a terrific
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Speaker 1: Christmas and New Year. Let's get into twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: the first year of Donald Trump two point zero and
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Speaker 1: of course a federal election year when Anthony Aberanese's Labor,
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Speaker 1: Greens and Teals operation could get the boot. Tonight, I'll
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Speaker 1: unpack some of the lessons our political leaders refuse to
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Speaker 1: learn on bush fires, on anti Semitism and on Islamist extremism.
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Speaker 1: I'll be joined by Deputy Liberal leader Susan Lee as
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Speaker 1: the election sparring heats up. Also the looming threats of
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Speaker 1: the year ahead, with Peter Jennings a bleak assessment from him.
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Speaker 1: I'll cross to Annales Nilsen in la for the latest
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Speaker 1: on the fires, and to Sophie Ellsworth in London, and
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Speaker 1: Jemmy Toonini and Caroline Russo are back to cut through
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Speaker 1: on Australia, to Da Shenannigans and plenty more. Let's get
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Speaker 1: into it. The most distressing thing about twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: so far is how it demonstrates that our political leaders
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Speaker 1: failed to learn, They failed to heed the lessons and
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Speaker 1: take the strong decisions needed to protect us. This happens
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Speaker 1: in a range of areas, and I'll go through some
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Speaker 1: of them tonight, but it even applies to bushfire protection
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Speaker 1: and what we've seen in Los Angeles. The firestorm last
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Speaker 1: week was a maelstrom. It was unstoppable and is exactly
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Speaker 1: the sort of catastrophic fire conditions that those southern Californian
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Speaker 1: mountains and their Santa Ana winds are infamous for producing.
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Speaker 1: It's happened countless times. Even just seven winters ago there
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Speaker 1: was another major winter fire that killed twenty three people. Still,
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Speaker 1: in terms of damage to life and property, this was
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Speaker 1: one of the worst, and it's still going of course,
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Speaker 1: yet we've all known about this. The threats are known,
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Speaker 1: and so are the solutions. You can't stop the weather,
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Speaker 1: and you can't stop idiots, accidents or lightning starting the fires.
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Speaker 1: So the only things you can do is reduce the
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Speaker 1: fuel loads, that is, keep the bush down, and also
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Speaker 1: ensure that housing and buildings are separated from the bush
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Speaker 1: to help prevent wildfires getting into housing areas where they
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Speaker 1: turn properties into fuel. This is a salient warning for Australia.
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Speaker 1: As bad as we've seen in the nineteen thirties, the
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, on Ash Wednesday in the nineteen eighties, and
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Speaker 1: on Black Saturday fifteen years ago, we could see worse.
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Speaker 1: In fact, we probably will. We've got too many houses
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Speaker 1: and suburbs hard up against bushland, too many people living
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Speaker 1: on ridgetops that will explode in the right conditions. We
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Speaker 1: need to create fire breaks, reduce fuel loads, change planning
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Speaker 1: and clearance laws, and improve fire protection measures on the
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Speaker 1: houses themselves. That's all the stuff we can and should do.
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Speaker 1: But now we have so many activists every time they're
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Speaker 1: keen to use every tragedy to talk up climate change,
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Speaker 1: playing politics with an ongoing fire tragedy.
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Speaker 2: We need to stop the climate pollution happening. This is
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Speaker 2: being driven by climate change. The warming atmosphere that happens
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Speaker 2: because we burn coal and we burn gas is actually
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Speaker 2: fairly simple equation that the pollution is causing this.
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Speaker 1: Good Lord, what lunacy. Even the Prime Minister went down
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Speaker 1: that path again today.
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Speaker 3: Well, I've said very clearly that you cannot point to
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Speaker 3: any single event and say that's because of climate change.
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Speaker 3: What you can do is look at the science. The
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Speaker 3: science has told us recently that we've just experienced the
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Speaker 3: hottest share on record, and that consistently over the years.
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Speaker 3: If you look at all of the data, that has
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Speaker 3: continued to be the case. We are seeing a rise
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Speaker 3: in temperatures, and we're also seeing a rise in the
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Speaker 3: number of extreme weather events and the intensity of them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we hear this every time. The data
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Speaker 1: doesn't actually stack that up, by the way. But the
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Speaker 1: point is that climate change talk is just an indulgent distraction.
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Speaker 1: It's irrelevant here. We've always had catastrophic fires and we
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Speaker 1: always will. There's no way to stop them. There are
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Speaker 1: only ways that we can make people safer, and that's
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Speaker 1: what we need to focus on, not be distracted by
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Speaker 1: climate alarmist opportunism. You won't stop bushfires by driving an
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Speaker 1: electric car or turning vegan or putting solar panels on
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Speaker 1: your roof. You can only protect people by reducing fuel loads,
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Speaker 1: making homes safer, and not building death traps in bush
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Speaker 1: fire prone areas. But one disaster after another, governments fail
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Speaker 1: to learn and they fail to act. Firestorms in the
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Speaker 1: worst conditions are unstoppable. Pictures like that you see and
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Speaker 1: nowhere near the worst of it, because no one can
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Speaker 1: get near a firestorm at least and survive and come
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Speaker 1: out with the pictures. That's just the fact. Fire trucks
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Speaker 1: and water bombers and all the rest of it can
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Speaker 1: only deal with the aftermath and also with more moderate fires,
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Speaker 1: of course, and that's all to the good. But if
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Speaker 1: we want to stop our own armageddons in fire seasons,
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Speaker 1: we need to change the way we plan and operate
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Speaker 1: and live in bush fire zones. If you're surrounded by
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Speaker 1: bush you're playing roulette. You might not see a fire
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Speaker 1: in fifty years. You might face them on days without
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Speaker 1: much wind, But if you face a bushfire pushed by
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Speaker 1: a gale and fueled by dry bushland, you can't expect
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Speaker 1: anyone or anything to save you. Another area where governments
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Speaker 1: have ignored warnings is terrorism, and more specifically the threat
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Speaker 1: of Islamist extremism. The horrific terror attack in New Orleans
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Speaker 1: provided yet another tragic wake up call. Fourteen people were
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Speaker 1: killed when the terrorists mode pedestrians down in bustling Bourbon
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Speaker 1: Street as people celebrated the new year. We know the
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Speaker 1: terror alert in Australia was elevated last year. We've seen
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Speaker 1: too many attacks here in the past, and Asio says
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Speaker 1: another is as likely as not in the coming year.
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Speaker 1: But politicians have avoided the tough discussions and action on
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Speaker 1: Islamistic extremism for decades. Instead, after the nine to eleven
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Speaker 1: atrocity and then after the Balley bombings, they've warned us
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Speaker 1: against Islamophobia. They still do. When Julia Gillard was Prime Minister,
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Speaker 1: she declared the nine to eleven decade was over, as
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Speaker 1: if terrorism was behind us. But as we see time
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Speaker 1: and again, Islamistic extremism reshapes, it reforms, it metastasizes into
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Speaker 1: new groups, new methods, and of course loan terrorist operators.
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Speaker 1: The problem is the ideology and it isn't going away.
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Speaker 1: Yet we do nothing to deport or silence or prosecute
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Speaker 1: the hate preachers in some Muslim mosque, or our politicians
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Speaker 1: never talk about this problem. We allow his book to
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Speaker 1: rear to operate openly here when it's banned as a
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Speaker 1: terror organization in the UK and in Muslim countries like Indonesia,
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Speaker 1: Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. And our government has issued thousands
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Speaker 1: of tourists vises without proper security checks to people from Gaza,
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Speaker 1: a terrorist territory run by the murderous Hummus Islamist terrorism outfit.
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Speaker 1: We can't pretend away the evil of Islamist extremism. We
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Speaker 1: need to root it out and we need to work
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Speaker 1: with Muslim communities to do that. This is all linked,
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Speaker 1: of course, to the rampant anti Semitism we've seen over
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Speaker 1: the last fifteen months. These disgusting, violent and threatening episodes
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Speaker 1: of due hatred have bedeviled Sydney and Melbourne and they're
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Speaker 1: getting worse. But again, our leaders have failed to act.
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Speaker 1: They've ignored our warnings. We've been onto them since October
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Speaker 1: the eighth, twenty twenty three, when in the wake of
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Speaker 1: the blood curdling atrocities in Israel, we saw Muslim leaders
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Speaker 1: on a Sydney street celebrating the slaughter of innocent Israelis,
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Speaker 1: and the next night we saw those ugly chance at
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Speaker 1: the Opera House with Jewish Australians warned away from an
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Speaker 1: event to mourn their dead, and governments and authorities did nothing.
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Speaker 1: We warned them that state and federal governments and their
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Speaker 1: authorities were too lenient, that they had to clamp down
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Speaker 1: on this disgusting behavior or it would get worse. They
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Speaker 1: have been pathetic and they continue to be incomprehensibly weak.
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Speaker 1: I mean, have a look at the Prime Minister today
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Speaker 1: responding to coalition calls for mandatory sentences against synagogue attacks.
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Speaker 3: I've seen some of some of those comments from missus Elsa.
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Speaker 3: I make this point that state and territory governments again,
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Speaker 3: we have a federation in Australia. State and territory governments
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Speaker 3: are responsible primarily for those issues.
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Speaker 1: Really, he just wipes his hands. He doesn't have a view.
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Speaker 1: He's not responsible. Again he says he he's not responsible.
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Speaker 1: I'd play that song again. But the topic is just
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Speaker 1: far too serious and too frightening. We need leadership. We
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Speaker 1: need governments that see clear warnings, clear problems, and act
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Speaker 1: rather than duck and weave and look for the path
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Speaker 1: of least resistance for starters. Anthony Albaneze should be going
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Speaker 1: to Israel himself if he really wants to learn and
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Speaker 1: to repair the relationship. Instead, he's not even sending his
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Speaker 1: foreign minister back there or his defense minister. He's sending
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Speaker 1: his Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss. Why because he's Jewish. Really,
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Speaker 1: how patronizing you turn your back on Israel, But to
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Speaker 1: try to smooth things over, you send a Jewish Cabinet minister.
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Speaker 1: Where is the moral clarity on any of this? Where
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Speaker 1: are the instincts for what's right or what reflects our
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Speaker 1: national values and national interests. These are big issues. They're
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Speaker 1: tearing at our social fabric and Labor is only making
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Speaker 1: all of it worse. And another big move in the
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Speaker 1: unofficial election campaign today with the Prime Minister tipping another
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Speaker 1: three billion dollars of your money into the national broadband network,
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Speaker 1: more spending from a government that continues to fuel inflation
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Speaker 1: and promises budget deficits as far as the eye can see.
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Speaker 1: The thing with this broadband play is that it's all
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Speaker 1: about politics. You see, Alban Easy and Labor can't run
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Speaker 1: on their record, as you know, it's been appalling, so
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Speaker 1: they're clearly planning to run scare campaigns against the Coalition.
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Speaker 1: They'll run their usual discredited many scares, always making up
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Speaker 1: stories about the Coalition wanting to destroy Medicare, which is
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Speaker 1: laughable of course, because no one wants to wreck our
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Speaker 1: health system, and because it'll be political suicide, and Labor
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Speaker 1: clearly to run another one of their tried and tested
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Speaker 1: anti privatization scare campaigns, setting up an attack about the
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Speaker 1: coalition wanting to privatize the NBN. I called that tactic
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Speaker 1: out last year when, for no reason other than this
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Speaker 1: transparent politicking, Albanizi tried to legislate against the sale of
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Speaker 1: the NBN And listen to him.
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Speaker 3: Today, Labor created the National Broadband Network and only Labor
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Speaker 3: will finish the NBN and importantly keep the NBN in
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Speaker 3: public hands.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, keeping the NBN in public hands, spending more of
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Speaker 1: your money on it, and by the way, paying the
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Speaker 1: CEO three million dollars a year and another half a
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Speaker 1: dozen executives of million dollars a year. That's what's important,
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Speaker 1: according to Albow Now apparently, but as I pointed out
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Speaker 1: last year, it was always Labour's plan to sell the NBN.
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Speaker 1: Here's Kevin Rudd making the NBN announcement in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and nine.
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Speaker 4: The government will make an aditional investment in this company,
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Speaker 4: but intends to sell down its interest in the company
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Speaker 4: within five years after the network is built. Yeah, privatization
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Speaker 4: was Labour's plan, and Rud repeated that a number of
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Speaker 4: times in that media conference. It's a nation building decision,
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Speaker 4: Rud said, humble as ever. But once it's up and
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Speaker 4: running and delivering those surfaces, then we would within that
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Speaker 4: five year period sell it to the private sector.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go. Hey, when labor is self
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Speaker 1: conscious about spending billions on a vast new government service,
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Speaker 1: it promises the NBN will make a profit and they'll
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Speaker 1: sell it. They were supposed to sell it a decade ago,
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Speaker 1: but now when they want an election scare, they're pumping
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Speaker 1: more billions of dollars into the NBN and they're telling
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Speaker 1: us it's crucial to keep it in government hands. All this,
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Speaker 1: of course, is happening while the NBN optical fiber technology,
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Speaker 1: as widely predicted all along, is now being bypassed by
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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of customers preferring satellite and five G
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Speaker 1: broadband services. That's why it's better for private enterprise to
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Speaker 1: take these risks rather than have governments gamble our money
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Speaker 1: on dreams that could turn into white elephants. Let's go
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Speaker 1: to all Bring Now and catch up with the Deputy
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Speaker 1: Liberal leader, Susan Lee. Good to talk to you, Susan.
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Speaker 1: I want to pick up on a couple of the
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Speaker 1: things I've opened the program with. The first up, I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about bush fires. Obviously, you're a country MP.
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Speaker 1: You know these issues. Well, we have great empathy for
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Speaker 1: what's happening in Los Angeles. It's been a terrible firestorm
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Speaker 1: and they're still battling those fires. The winds could flare
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Speaker 1: them up at any time. But we face similar catastrophes here,
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Speaker 1: don't we, Especially in the populated hills around Melbourne, around
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Speaker 1: the Blue Mountains out of Sydney, in the Adelaide Hills.
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Speaker 1: If we get these conditions here, there are so many
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Speaker 1: houses that are vulnerable. When are we going to see
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Speaker 1: state governments in particular do something about reducing fuel loads
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Speaker 1: and creating safe spaces between bush and housing.
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Speaker 5: It's a reminder these La fires, Chris, that it's not
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Speaker 5: just the bush where I live that can burn.
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Speaker 6: It can be our cities.
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Speaker 5: And while we might not have exactly the same types
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Speaker 5: of wind the Santa Ana winds that have caused.
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Speaker 6: This, we still are vulnerable. And you only have to
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Speaker 6: cast your mind back to.
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Speaker 5: The houses and the lives that were lost on Black
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Speaker 5: Saturday and about five years ago near me. In fact,
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Speaker 5: I was in the Upper Murray in my own electric
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Speaker 5: this morning where we have the Green Valley fire.
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Speaker 6: We tragically lost a life and the community.
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Speaker 5: Is there, and they're actually pretty cranky with not enough
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Speaker 5: mobile phone signal following those disasters. So I'm there working
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Speaker 5: with them and banging the table without hellcoast where I
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Speaker 5: need to, because it is so important that when a
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Speaker 5: disaster strikes, you've got connectivity. But you just talk to
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Speaker 5: a country person, you're absolutely right, and they'll tell you
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Speaker 5: exactly what is needed. And often it is back burning
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Speaker 5: at the right time by state governments to remove those
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Speaker 5: fuel loads which in history and in nature would not often.
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Speaker 6: Have built up to the levels that they do before
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Speaker 6: a fire.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absolutely vital. It's the only thing we can
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Speaker 1: control is the fuel and where we put houses. We've
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Speaker 1: got to see a bigger focus on it, or we
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Speaker 1: just continue to see even worse disasters as more and
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Speaker 1: more people move into these areas. I want to get
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Speaker 1: back onto that NBN issue seems extraordinary now. The NBN
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Speaker 1: was a labor plan and they always said it was
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Speaker 1: going to be privatized. It seems that they're only promising
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Speaker 1: not to privatize it now in order to run a
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Speaker 1: scare campaign against the Coalition. Are you going to rule
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Speaker 1: out privatizing it? Go along with the labor plan?
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Speaker 5: And Albinize made some announcements this morning. This afternoon, we'll
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Speaker 5: look at them closely. I think their telecommunications policy is
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Speaker 5: just a complete joke, and they put a bill into
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Speaker 5: parliament about never selling, privatizing whatever. When I talk to people,
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Speaker 5: it's not about the NBN or anything particularly named, it's
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Speaker 5: about my telecommunication services, my ability to live my life
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Speaker 5: work from home, actually have the connectivity.
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Speaker 6: That I deserve at at a reasonable price.
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Speaker 5: That's what I hear. So that's the responsibility of a
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Speaker 5: federal government. And we had something in government. We had
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Speaker 5: a mobile broadband, mobile black spot program, various ones that
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Speaker 5: actually delivered that connectivity. And when I look at Labor,
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Speaker 5: I realize that they don't understand what they need to
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Speaker 5: do across this vast landscape.
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Speaker 6: Fires a good example.
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Speaker 5: But everyone doesn't live on the East Coast, everyone doesn't
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Speaker 5: live in a major city, and everyone does deserve to
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Speaker 5: have the level of connect tip that we've come to
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Speaker 5: expect in this century we live in with the work
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Speaker 5: that we do now.
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton opened up the political year, if you like,
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Speaker 1: with the major speech yesterday. I thought it was a
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Speaker 1: really good speech because it told us about his background
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Speaker 1: and his values and it set out the core criticisms
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Speaker 1: of the Labor government and what you'll focus on. Brilliant
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Speaker 1: that you know, you're talking about the national interests and
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Speaker 1: reducing immigration intake. I think the whole of the country
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Speaker 1: wants to see immigration peeled back or curtailed at the moment.
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Speaker 1: But you're also promising smaller government and that's something I
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Speaker 1: absolutely applaud. We need smaller government, but it's so hard
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Speaker 1: to deliver. Right, you're going to have to go to
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Speaker 1: an election promising to cut government spending. Where are you
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Speaker 1: going to cut and how are you going to deal
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Speaker 1: with the political difficulty of that.
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Speaker 5: Well, we know that this government has embarked on a
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Speaker 5: reckless spending program with several off budget funds, including in
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Speaker 5: my own portfolio space of industry, which is all about
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Speaker 5: their future made in Australia. That's how they describe their
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Speaker 5: industry policy. They've got off budget funds, the National Reconstruction Fund.
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Speaker 5: I don't think it's spent a single cent on actually
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Speaker 5: helping manufacturers in this country. Meanwhile, their energy policy is
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Speaker 5: hurting them and sending them overseas, and meanwhile the IMF
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Speaker 5: is saying you create these off budget funds.
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Speaker 6: They're inflationary, so we know.
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Speaker 5: We have to look at those as a first step.
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Speaker 6: But we also have to look at when you spend
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Speaker 6: money as a government.
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Speaker 5: It has to deliver the most efficient and productive return.
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Speaker 5: It's not just about what you spend, it's about how
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Speaker 5: you spend and how you get bang for your buck.
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Speaker 5: But particularly, and we heard Peter focus on this in
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Speaker 5: what I agree was a very well received speech yesterday.
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Speaker 5: We want the enterprise, the ingenuity, the entrepreneurship of Australians
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Speaker 5: to build businesses in this country that do well and
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Speaker 5: of course pay tax and of course grow the size
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Speaker 5: of the country as a whole, and migration and skills
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Speaker 5: play their part. But what we've got is this frightened,
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Speaker 5: weak sort of government that doesn't understand the first thing
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Speaker 5: about the competence. You talk about advertise as me, you know, Chris,
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Speaker 5: the incompetence.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but the spend. They've put an extra thirty
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Speaker 1: six thousand federal public servants on staff, and half of
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Speaker 1: them in Canberra. I'll tell you they're not boosting productivity
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Speaker 1: helping the nation out there. I can guarantee you that
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, Susan, We're out of time. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us, Susan Lee. They're the definitely liberal leader.
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Speaker 1: Joining us from the wonderful river city of Aubury, where,
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Speaker 1: of course the Liberal Party was founded all those many
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Speaker 1: moons ago. Let's go now to Alex Ritchin, who's the
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Speaker 1: Executive Council of Australian Jury. He joins us tonight from Brisbane.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to him about anti Semitism in
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Speaker 1: this country. Alex, good to talk to you again. The
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Speaker 1: political edge of this discussion has certainly ramped up of late,
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Speaker 1: with continuing acts of vandalism and domestic terrorism against Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 1: Tell us about your take on that, because you're saying
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Speaker 1: there's a clear partisan divide here that the Jewish community
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Speaker 1: can see that labor has just let them down.
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Speaker 7: Well, you're right, Chris, We're now in a realm of
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Speaker 7: domestic terrorism for a long time. For the last fifteen months,
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Speaker 7: you and I and others have been talking about fracturing
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Speaker 7: social cohesion, amid weekly street protests, amid the university encampments,
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Speaker 7: the things that the Greens were doing, things the clerics
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Speaker 7: were doing to incite hatred and violence against the community.
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Speaker 7: All these things were fracturing the way communities dealt with
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Speaker 7: each other and viewed each other. We're now well beyond
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Speaker 7: that point. There is no social cohesion. We're now in
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Speaker 7: a point of national security. And when you have a
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Speaker 7: synagogue burned and a prime Minster himself declaring it an
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Speaker 7: act of terrorism, and a few days ago you had
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Speaker 7: the attack on Aloois Synagogue, followed the next morning by
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Speaker 7: an attack on Newtown Synagogue, which we've since learned wasn't
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Speaker 7: merely another graffiti attack. It was another attempt to incinerate
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Speaker 7: a synagogue, a place of worship heavily built up metropolitan area.
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Speaker 7: We are dealing with domestic terrorism and I think the
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Speaker 7: government has today failed to grasp the true gravity and
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Speaker 7: severity of the moment. The need to convene National Cabinet
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Speaker 7: to say to the State Premier is we are in
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Speaker 7: a crisis right now. We need certain things, including education
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Speaker 7: and policing and sentencing guidelines to drive this terror from
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Speaker 7: our myths. Because when a situation now where the community
22:24
Speaker 7: wakes up every morning and we don't know which synagogue
22:27
Speaker 7: is going to be hit, which school, who's going to
22:29
Speaker 7: suffer for it. But at the moment, it's something that's
22:31
Speaker 7: affecting all Australians, and not enough it's being done about.
22:34
Speaker 1: It well in Anthony ALBERNIZI hasn't embraced this idea of
22:37
Speaker 1: a national canbideate on this issue. But what pains me
22:41
Speaker 1: is this has all been so obvious for so long.
22:44
Speaker 1: As I mentioned at the top of the show, it
22:46
Speaker 1: was on October the eighth and ninth, fifteen months ago
22:50
Speaker 1: when we were saying there was too much weakness right
22:52
Speaker 1: at the outset in the response to the Otober the
22:55
Speaker 1: seventh atrocities, and that weakness has indeed increased the problem.
23:00
Speaker 1: At no stage has the government, several or state actually
23:03
Speaker 1: done anything.
23:05
Speaker 7: It was painfully predictable, Chris. And when you saw, just
23:08
Speaker 7: as news of the atrocities were still breaking, and people
23:12
Speaker 7: gathered on the streets of the electorate of Tony Burke,
23:15
Speaker 7: the Minister for Multiculturalism and Home Affairs, and praise those
23:19
Speaker 7: attacks and let off fireworks in jubilant celebration of those attacks.
23:23
Speaker 7: And it took weeks for that to be condemned. When
23:25
Speaker 7: you had on university encampments open praise for terrorism, people
23:30
Speaker 7: holding aloft the portraits of terrorist leaders. When you have
23:33
Speaker 7: cries for the destruction of the state of Israel and
23:36
Speaker 7: the annihilation of its Jewish population, and the education minister
23:39
Speaker 7: that talks about those slogans and chants meaning different things
23:41
Speaker 7: to different people. It creates the leeway in which extremism thrives.
23:46
Speaker 7: It's not merely a matter for the federal government. We
23:48
Speaker 7: have to be fair because university vice chancellors, community leaders,
23:53
Speaker 7: and when we're living in a time when influencers diffuse
23:56
Speaker 7: and social media influencers have enormous way of a public
24:00
Speaker 7: opinion and they're either turning on the Jewish community or
24:02
Speaker 7: remaining silent and complicit, that's an enormous part of the
24:05
Speaker 7: problem as well.
24:07
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Alex. I wish it was to
24:10
Speaker 1: discuss some strong moves on this stuff, but it's frustrating,
24:14
Speaker 1: it's dangerous, and I appreciate you always talking to us.
24:16
Speaker 1: Alex Rich and there from the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
24:20
Speaker 1: We've got to get to the break. On the other side,
24:21
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the looming threats of the
24:23
Speaker 1: year ahead. Terrorism here at home, China, blockading Taiwan. Peter
24:28
Speaker 1: Jennings is going to unpack it all for us well
24:34
Speaker 1: it's a dangerous and volatile international strategic climate at the moment.
24:40
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five looms with many problems, but there's also
24:44
Speaker 1: a bit of hope from a lot of people, including me,
24:47
Speaker 1: that the return of Donald Trump to the White House
24:49
Speaker 1: might put Iran, Russia and China on the back foot.
24:55
Speaker 1: Have a listen to what Donald Trump was saying again
24:57
Speaker 1: just last week when it comes to the Middle East.
25:00
Speaker 8: If those hostages aren't back, I don't want to hurt
25:02
Speaker 8: your negotiation. If they're not back by the time I
25:06
Speaker 8: get into office, all hell will break out in the
25:09
Speaker 8: Middle East and it will not be good for Hamas,
25:13
Speaker 8: and it will not be good frankly for anyone.
25:15
Speaker 6: All hell will break out.
25:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we all want to see those hostages, and
25:21
Speaker 1: especially those of course those who are alive release. But
25:24
Speaker 1: there's only a week to go before he's sworn in.
25:26
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens now. Peter Jennings from Strategic Analysis
25:29
Speaker 1: Australia is written for The Australian made ten predictions about
25:33
Speaker 1: the year ahead. There's some pretty gloomy reading there. He
25:36
Speaker 1: joins me now live from Canberra. Thanks for joining us again, Peter,
25:39
Speaker 1: great to talk to you. A happy New Year to you. Well, actually,
25:43
Speaker 1: you've laid out a year that looks pretty daunting for us.
25:46
Speaker 1: Let's start with your first prediction, and that is the
25:48
Speaker 1: likelihood of a terrorist attack here in Australia.
25:53
Speaker 9: So I think you could call that almost a certainty,
25:55
Speaker 9: Chris the head of AS Mike Burgess says a better
25:58
Speaker 9: than fifty percent chart, And you could call the attacks
26:03
Speaker 9: on Synagogue's terrorism attacks. But indeed, what I'm really talking
26:06
Speaker 9: about is the risk of people losing their lives. And
26:11
Speaker 9: I think over the last fourteen fifteen months we've seen
26:13
Speaker 9: the buildup of a pool of extremist sentiment which is
26:19
Speaker 9: going to finally seek an outlet through terrorism action. So
26:24
Speaker 9: I think that's a very high chance that we're going
26:26
Speaker 9: to see a really serious case of terrorism at some
26:29
Speaker 9: point in the next twelve months.
26:30
Speaker 1: It plays into the debate I've been having in the
26:32
Speaker 1: first part of the show where there's been so much
26:34
Speaker 1: weakness from the federal government on Islamist extremism and on
26:38
Speaker 1: anti Semitism. And I'm not saying that that would necessarily
26:42
Speaker 1: prevent a terrorist attack, but it doesn't help. Surely, it
26:47
Speaker 1: really doesn't.
26:48
Speaker 9: And even with the graffitiing of synagogue just over the
26:53
Speaker 9: end of last week. The absence of federal political leaders,
26:58
Speaker 9: the Prime Minister being a spectator rather than a leader
27:01
Speaker 9: of attempts to push back against this type of behavior.
27:05
Speaker 9: All of this, I think is creating an environment where
27:07
Speaker 9: terrorism becomes more likely. And you know, we've seen a
27:12
Speaker 9: number of instances around the world. There's always a risk
27:14
Speaker 9: of copycat violence and if people think they can get
27:17
Speaker 9: away with it because government's not that focused on it
27:19
Speaker 9: and the police aren't sure about how to deal with it,
27:22
Speaker 9: then that creates a greater risk. So you know, to me,
27:26
Speaker 9: I don't know if it's so much a prediction, almost
27:28
Speaker 9: as a certainty, that we're going to see terrorist action,
27:32
Speaker 9: which Australia will have to deal with, and we need
27:34
Speaker 9: stronger responses from our federal government indeeder to try and
27:38
Speaker 9: push that back and stop it from taking place.
27:41
Speaker 1: Let's go to some of the other global threats. You
27:44
Speaker 1: talk about China acting this year to blockade Taiwan. That
27:48
Speaker 1: would create all sorts of instability and possibilities.
27:53
Speaker 9: So we've seen two blockades in the last eighteen months
27:55
Speaker 9: or so where Chinese military forces have completely surrounded the
27:59
Speaker 9: island and the Chinese say what they're doing is building
28:03
Speaker 9: a new normal where this is going to happen more frequently.
28:06
Speaker 9: There's daily incursions into Taiwanese airspace. I think China is
28:11
Speaker 9: going to push the limits of this because they want
28:14
Speaker 9: to test President Trump's reaction. They want to see how
28:17
Speaker 9: and in what ways the new president is going to
28:20
Speaker 9: push back against this activity, and if there is no pushback,
28:23
Speaker 9: China will keep going. So again, I'm not predicting an
28:27
Speaker 9: amphibious assault or anything like that, although China doesn't rule
28:31
Speaker 9: out military action, but there's certainly going to be I
28:34
Speaker 9: think more attempts to show Chinese military force around Taiwan,
28:39
Speaker 9: and this is all really just to see how will
28:41
Speaker 9: the Americans react, and the Chinese will try and get
28:44
Speaker 9: away with doing more.
28:45
Speaker 1: You also talk about Israel taking out Iranian nuclear facilities.
28:51
Speaker 1: That's always been the belief that if the rest of
28:54
Speaker 1: the world stands by and watches are undeveloped nuclear weapons,
28:57
Speaker 1: Israel won't They'll have to take them out. Broadly, when
29:01
Speaker 1: you talk about that situation and also Ukraine and also
29:04
Speaker 1: Australia's relationship with the US through aucas what difference is
29:08
Speaker 1: Donald Trump going to make?
29:12
Speaker 9: So I think this time with Trump, we are going
29:14
Speaker 9: to see an American president that wants to negotiate from
29:19
Speaker 9: possessions of strength, that is not going to be pushed
29:22
Speaker 9: around by authoritarian leaders. Even though he's expressed some sympathies
29:27
Speaker 9: towards Pertin in the past. Trump doesn't want to go
29:31
Speaker 9: to war, but he doesn't want to be bullied by
29:33
Speaker 9: authoritarian regimes either, And I think this potentially means we're
29:37
Speaker 9: going to see a stronger, more muscular American response under Biden.
29:41
Speaker 9: What we've seen in the last twelve months, every time
29:43
Speaker 9: there wasn't military conflict, all Biden could ever ask for
29:46
Speaker 9: was for de escalation, often in ways which didn't suit
29:50
Speaker 9: America's allies, like Israel, for example. So I think that
29:53
Speaker 9: will change, and I would hope that a stronger, more
29:57
Speaker 9: tough minded America is going to put more pressure on
30:00
Speaker 9: the bad regimes, but it's also going to put more
30:03
Speaker 9: pressure on a country like Australia to step.
30:05
Speaker 1: Forward and do more in defense.
30:06
Speaker 9: We've been riding on American security coattails for decades, Chris
30:11
Speaker 9: spending way too little on defense, and I think Trump
30:15
Speaker 9: will realize that that's a type of behavior that needs
30:19
Speaker 9: to be called out. That may explain why Prime Minister
30:22
Speaker 9: Abenezi doesn't seem that interested in meeting Donald Trump at
30:25
Speaker 9: the moment. I think he's worried that the President is
30:28
Speaker 9: going to be saying to him, you Australians need to
30:30
Speaker 9: do more and it can't just be about promises of
30:33
Speaker 9: what aucust bite deliver in ten or fifteen years.
30:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what are we doing now? What are we
30:37
Speaker 1: doing in the coming years? Fascinating stuff for lots of challenges,
30:42
Speaker 1: but some hope they're with the incoming administration. Thanks so
30:45
Speaker 1: much for joining us, Peter. I appreciate Peter Jennings there
30:47
Speaker 1: from Strategic Analysis Australia. We're going to go to break.
30:50
Speaker 1: On the other side, I've got to cross to la
30:52
Speaker 1: for the latest on the fires, and also across to
30:54
Speaker 1: London and catch up with Sophie El's Worth. The UK
30:57
Speaker 1: is now facing a gas shortage. Can you believe now,
31:04
Speaker 1: back to these fires and the firestorm that did so
31:07
Speaker 1: much of the damage in Los Angeles was almost a
31:09
Speaker 1: week ago now, but fires there are still burning, houses
31:13
Speaker 1: are still under threat. The death toll has risen to
31:15
Speaker 1: twenty four and as analyse Nielsen explained to me earlier,
31:19
Speaker 1: there are forecasts for even stronger winds tomorrow, leaving the
31:23
Speaker 1: city on edge.
31:24
Speaker 10: Look, there are and as much as those fire authorities
31:27
Speaker 10: are working to get everything under control, they're really up
31:30
Speaker 10: against it with the wind, the terrain here, the lack
31:33
Speaker 10: of water. We've been driving around today watching some of
31:36
Speaker 10: the operations from firefighters and they have tankers going around
31:40
Speaker 10: using their own water tank to get the water out
31:44
Speaker 10: of the fire, hydrants using their pumps to then put
31:47
Speaker 10: into the fire engines to put smoldering rubble out. That
31:52
Speaker 10: is the difficulty they're dealing with. And this is going
31:54
Speaker 10: to be the long term story out of these fires.
31:58
Speaker 10: Why wasn't there enough water put in place in the
32:00
Speaker 10: right places at the right time when they knew that
32:03
Speaker 10: this was going to be a dangerous fire season. And
32:06
Speaker 10: that's what I'm understanding more the more time I spend
32:08
Speaker 10: on the ground here, is there are resources out here
32:11
Speaker 10: for private businesses. You see insurance companies have their own
32:14
Speaker 10: water tankers stationed around properties that they're responsible for. And
32:19
Speaker 10: this is a concern I'm hearing across the board, even
32:22
Speaker 10: meeting people who've been evacuated and haven't lost their homes,
32:25
Speaker 10: meeting those who have We've been speaking with them for days,
32:28
Speaker 10: and it's not a red or blue issue. When we
32:29
Speaker 10: speak to people, they'll say I'm a Republican, I'm a Democrat,
32:33
Speaker 10: and they'll agree on the same things. And so here's
32:36
Speaker 10: one woman who we met who was evacuated out of
32:39
Speaker 10: her home. She thankfully still has her home intact, but
32:43
Speaker 10: she described herself to us voluntarily as a liberal Democrat
32:46
Speaker 10: who's longtime supporter of Democrat policies in the state. She
32:49
Speaker 10: said that she wants answers.
32:52
Speaker 11: I want to know why our fire hydrants ran out
32:55
Speaker 11: of water at three am Wednesday morning, and why the
32:58
Speaker 11: two reservoirs were dry. I mean they had no choice.
33:03
Speaker 11: I mean I'm not putting the blame, but the bottom
33:06
Speaker 11: line is they let our town group.
33:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a familiar story in the wake of these
33:11
Speaker 1: bushfire tragedies. A water supply is always a problem. The
33:16
Speaker 1: real lessons here for southern California, as it is for
33:19
Speaker 1: southern Australia as well, is planning and having housing up
33:23
Speaker 1: close to bushfire prone areas. And we never seem to
33:27
Speaker 1: learn the lessons there. But all these other things have
33:30
Speaker 1: to be followed through, as you say, and at least,
33:31
Speaker 1: the water availability, the prepositioning of assets, the responsibility of
33:36
Speaker 1: various agencies, and it seems that there are so many
33:39
Speaker 1: questions now being asked in Los Angeles. There's a lot
33:42
Speaker 1: of political pressure, a lot of frustration with authorities.
33:49
Speaker 10: There is, and in particular from the people we've spoken
33:52
Speaker 10: to who've been impacted by these fires, the number one
33:55
Speaker 10: concern they have is that their firefighters weren't getting the
33:57
Speaker 10: support they needed. They were having resources, but these guys
34:01
Speaker 10: work tirelessly. When we've been speaking to some of them,
34:04
Speaker 10: they're on twenty four hour shifts and one said he
34:07
Speaker 10: worked through forty eight hours without a break. These are
34:11
Speaker 10: brave people. They work hard and they do important work.
34:15
Speaker 10: And when the mayor of Los Angeles is trying to
34:17
Speaker 10: talk around cutting seventeen million dollars from the budget for
34:22
Speaker 10: the Los Angeles Police Department, when we now know that
34:24
Speaker 10: they were very clearly told that the funding needed to
34:27
Speaker 10: be increased for that frontline support, those are real questions
34:31
Speaker 10: that real people who live here want to know the
34:34
Speaker 10: answer to. We're talking about very well established areas of
34:37
Speaker 10: Los Angeles here that have been there for a long
34:40
Speaker 10: time that were left very vulnerable because of issues with
34:43
Speaker 10: clearing brush though they were allowed and encouraged to and
34:47
Speaker 10: by environmental regulations required to have a lot of highly
34:51
Speaker 10: flammable brush there that wasn't cleared and set them up
34:54
Speaker 10: to be very vulnerable.
34:56
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's such a familiar story to us here in
34:58
Speaker 12: Australia an Alas. It's an absolute tragic I can't believe
35:02
Speaker 12: the extent of the property damage and the lives lost
35:05
Speaker 12: in Los Angeles, even though they've had such serious fires
35:08
Speaker 12: with those sat around of winds through those canyons so
35:11
Speaker 12: many times before. But it's like in Australia where we
35:14
Speaker 12: don't seem to learn those lessons. We'll keep seeing these problems.
35:18
Speaker 12: Unless you get rid of the fuel or keep.
35:21
Speaker 1: Housing away from where all those fuel loads are, this
35:24
Speaker 1: will happen.
35:25
Speaker 13: It won't happen every summer. But when you get these
35:27
Speaker 13: catastrophic weather conditions and some idiot sparks a fire or
35:32
Speaker 13: some accidental cause sparks a fire, they're unstoppable. And these
35:36
Speaker 13: are the long term questions that California is going to
35:39
Speaker 13: have to address as well.
35:43
Speaker 10: Yeah, and look, there's just that real sentence of the
35:45
Speaker 10: haves and have nots in all this because I know
35:48
Speaker 10: a lot of the media coverage has been focused on
35:50
Speaker 10: the celebrity houses and the celebrities impacted, and absolutely we
35:53
Speaker 10: all find celebrities interesting and it is a very unique element.
35:57
Speaker 1: To this fire.
35:58
Speaker 10: What we do know, though, is that private companies have
36:02
Speaker 10: done a much better job in managing the fire risk.
36:05
Speaker 10: And so it's a very fair question for ordinary Americans
36:07
Speaker 10: who are paying their taxes, working hard, have a mortgage,
36:10
Speaker 10: doing everything to build their lives up, to say, wait,
36:13
Speaker 10: why don't I get the same protection that these private
36:17
Speaker 10: companies managed to rustle up in a very short amount
36:20
Speaker 10: of time. Around Santa Monica where we're staying, there's water
36:22
Speaker 10: trucks everywhere ready to put out anything in low risk areas.
36:26
Speaker 10: They've been brought in from around the country by private companies,
36:29
Speaker 10: by insurance companies to stop any potential damage. In the meantime,
36:33
Speaker 10: people are saying, as you heard that woman before, why
36:36
Speaker 10: do we only have the one reservoir? Why weren't more approved?
36:39
Speaker 10: And that goes directly back to the staush between Gavin
36:41
Speaker 10: Newsom and Donald Trump where he said, hey, we tried
36:43
Speaker 10: to get more water in. You guys didn't want to
36:45
Speaker 10: touch things because you were doing everything to protect essentially
36:49
Speaker 10: the version here of native title. What is the plan
36:53
Speaker 10: when something like this happens? And what we found out
36:55
Speaker 10: is there was no plan.
36:58
Speaker 1: Lots still happening, are lots of proper lives still a
37:01
Speaker 1: bit protected, but big issues there to unfold and unpack
37:04
Speaker 1: in coming days, months and years. Thanks so much for
37:07
Speaker 1: joining us again, Analise, I appreciate it.
37:11
Speaker 6: Thank you.
37:13
Speaker 1: Well, let's go from Analyse in Los Angeles to Sophie Ellsworth,
37:16
Speaker 1: News Courts Europe correspondent joining us live from London. Good
37:20
Speaker 1: to kick off the new year with you, Sophie. We'll
37:23
Speaker 1: get into Australia Day and the way that's not being
37:26
Speaker 1: celebrated properly in London in just a moment. But first up,
37:29
Speaker 1: I wanted to get onto energy. It just confounds me
37:33
Speaker 1: at every turn how many countries do themselves energy harm.
37:36
Speaker 1: And we're reading that the UK is actually facing possible
37:39
Speaker 1: gas shortages through the winter, despite all those north Sea
37:44
Speaker 1: reserves and all that development, somehow running short of gas.
37:47
Speaker 1: What's going on?
37:49
Speaker 14: Well, great to be with you, Chris. Look, this is
37:51
Speaker 14: no doubt our real problem for the UK. We're only
37:55
Speaker 14: you know, halfway through winter and there's already issues with
37:59
Speaker 14: gas apply potentially running out. It's been incredibly cold here
38:04
Speaker 14: and low winds as well, so they haven't been generating
38:08
Speaker 14: the electricity through the twelve thousand wind turbines that they need.
38:14
Speaker 14: And they've also had issues with the sun not shining
38:16
Speaker 14: as well, so that presents a problem with the solar energy.
38:20
Speaker 14: So there's many moving parts here, Chris that are causing problems.
38:25
Speaker 14: And obviously the Brits they want to keep warm, so
38:28
Speaker 14: they're cranking up their heaters and the demand is far
38:32
Speaker 14: higher than it is meant to be, so this is
38:35
Speaker 14: a real problem for them, and last week they are
38:38
Speaker 14: incredibly concerned that they could run out of supply. So
38:43
Speaker 14: this could be the beginning of something that continues because
38:45
Speaker 14: obviously they're on that path to net zero and last
38:49
Speaker 14: year they shut down their last coal fired power station
38:53
Speaker 14: in the UK, so this is probably an example of
38:56
Speaker 14: more of what is to come.
38:57
Speaker 1: Yeap harming themselves the same way we are. At least
39:01
Speaker 1: they've got a big nuclear plant coming on within within
39:04
Speaker 1: a year or so. Let's get to you Australia day
39:07
Speaker 1: and the ambassador or the High Commissioner to London from
39:11
Speaker 1: Australia is the former Labor Minister Stephen Smith, he was
39:15
Speaker 1: not going to turn up at the Australia Day event.
39:18
Speaker 1: He's had to backflip on this. But this is atrocious,
39:21
Speaker 1: isn't it.
39:24
Speaker 6: Well, Chris, it's not a good look.
39:26
Speaker 14: I mean, he's our key diplomat here in the UK
39:30
Speaker 14: for Australia and I've repeatedly asked the High Commissioner's office
39:36
Speaker 14: where will Stephen Smith be on Australia Day and nobody
39:40
Speaker 14: will tell me.
39:41
Speaker 6: It's a mystery, it's a secret. It's really quite odd
39:44
Speaker 6: that to.
39:44
Speaker 14: Celebrate such an important day on the calendar, we don't
39:47
Speaker 14: know where he will be now he was not going
39:50
Speaker 14: to be attending this black tie dala dinner, and then
39:54
Speaker 14: all the headlines came out. Peter Dutton came out on
39:57
Speaker 14: the attack basically said if he's ashamed of Usustralia Day,
40:01
Speaker 14: he should get on the first plane home and pretty
40:03
Speaker 14: damn quickly his schedule change and he will now be
40:07
Speaker 14: attending that gala dinner. But this is a shocking look
40:10
Speaker 14: for Australia and it probably points in the direction that
40:13
Speaker 14: perhaps the High Commissioner here is not a fan of
40:16
Speaker 14: Australia Day.
40:17
Speaker 1: Chris Yeah, unbelievable. Great reporting from you, Sophie, to flesh
40:20
Speaker 1: all this out. Here is what Peter Dutton had to
40:22
Speaker 1: say on this.
40:24
Speaker 15: I'm very proud of the fact that we are a
40:26
Speaker 15: country that should stand up and protect and defend its
40:29
Speaker 15: values and people in uniform have done that over generations.
40:33
Speaker 15: And why the government appointments like Stephen Smith would be
40:37
Speaker 15: ashamed of our country, It's beyond my comprehension.
40:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, here here and just quickly, Sophie, will you be
40:43
Speaker 1: going to the black tie event and keep an eye
40:45
Speaker 1: on thanks for us.
40:47
Speaker 6: Well, I haven't got a ticket, Chris. They're pretty lucrative.
40:50
Speaker 14: And sold out in five minutes, so I won't be there,
40:53
Speaker 14: but the High Commissioner will be.
40:56
Speaker 1: They should invite you. You should get a free b
40:58
Speaker 1: hopefully someone watching.
40:59
Speaker 7: What were you?
41:00
Speaker 1: Thanks Sophie, appreciate your joining us. Look forward to catching
41:03
Speaker 1: up every week. So if he was with the News
41:05
Speaker 1: Corps Europe correspondent based in London, we're going to get
41:07
Speaker 1: to the break. On the other side, Jematon Yuenni and
41:09
Speaker 1: Caroline de Russo back, we'll talk about Australia Day support
41:13
Speaker 1: in this country surging. Let us sort out the Problems
41:21
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five with gematon Uini from GT Communications
41:24
Speaker 1: on the desk do it again. Let's do it again,
41:26
Speaker 1: and Caroline der Russo, who's the host of the Raw Report,
41:29
Speaker 1: joins us again from Perth. Great to catch up again,
41:33
Speaker 1: Caro will get to you. Look, I was going to
41:35
Speaker 1: get on to Peter Dutton the phony election campaign, but
41:37
Speaker 1: let's start off on Australia Day and the IPA have
41:39
Speaker 1: done a survey in saying that nearly seventy percent of
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Speaker 1: us favor January the twenty sixth. This wouldn't surprise.
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Speaker 6: You, Carol, not in the slightest, Not in the slightest.
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Speaker 16: And I think it's probably high time that you know,
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Speaker 16: the chattering classes of which we are part of, but
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Speaker 16: also our political class and the common tart and whoever
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Speaker 16: else stop listening to, you know, the big voices in
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Speaker 16: the empty vessel. What I found particularly interesting though about
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Speaker 16: this survey. Chris was looking at the eighteen to twenty
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Speaker 16: four year olds and compared to last year, ten percent
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Speaker 16: more eighteen to twenty four year olds agree that we
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Speaker 16: should celebrate Australia Day on the twenty sixth of January.
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Speaker 16: So maybe if we stop feeding them rubbish and you know,
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Speaker 16: tell them why they should be proud of this country. Well,
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Speaker 16: then you know, maybe they'll start to understand why we celebrate,
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Speaker 16: why we celebrate Australia Day.
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Speaker 1: When we do, great day, great country, every reason to celebrate.
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Speaker 1: GENERI I got a litle bit fare. I've always been
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Speaker 1: a Coles guy because I used to work as a
42:46
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, worked at a Cole supermarket.
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Speaker 1: But I went to Woolies on the weekend and I
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Speaker 1: was glad I did because they had all this Australia.
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Speaker 1: They've learned their lesson and now they're plug an Australia Day.
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Speaker 17: I was a Woolworths Floriatum check out chick from the
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Speaker 17: age of fourteen or however old you were allowed to
43:03
Speaker 17: work till I got too expensive and stopped Luke getting
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Speaker 17: any shifts. But you know, someone said the other day
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Speaker 17: I saw something that you know or will wors of cave, No,
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Speaker 17: thement cave. They've listened to their customs, which.
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Speaker 6: Is what they should do.
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Speaker 17: It's enough to make me go by a pair of pluggers.
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Speaker 17: I mean exactly, it's a allreat country. We have an
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Speaker 17: amazing country. It's imperfect We've got some painful points at
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Speaker 17: the moment, but we are the envy of the world
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Speaker 17: in many ways, and why should we not celebrate that?
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Speaker 1: Okay, one reason we shouldn't celebrate it is because our
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Speaker 1: politics is pretty abysmal, although it's worse in many other
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Speaker 1: parts of the world. We do have an election coming up,
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Speaker 1: I reckon as April the twelfth, but we'll see it's
43:37
Speaker 1: going to come up in a few months. And we've
43:38
Speaker 1: got effectively in an election campaign. Now here is Peter
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Speaker 1: Dutton speaking yesterday.
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Speaker 15: A newly elected coalition government is the last chance to
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Speaker 15: reverse this decline. Mister Alberanzi, who loves fighting Tories and
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Speaker 15: who always plays the man and not the ball, has
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Speaker 15: characterized his election, this election for Australians as a future war.
43:59
Speaker 15: For him, what matters most is the political victory, whereas
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Speaker 15: I want our country to be victorious.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Carolina, it's getting kind of personal between these two blogs,
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Speaker 1: isn't it.
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Speaker 6: Yeah it is.
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Speaker 16: But look, it was always it was always going to
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Speaker 16: be And I remember us talking on this show towards
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Speaker 16: the end of last year about how the Labor Party
44:21
Speaker 16: were going to make their campaign a negative campaign on Dutton.
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Speaker 16: So you know, it is what it is. But I mean,
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Speaker 16: Peter makes a perfectly good point there. And I wrote
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Speaker 16: a piece that I was published over the weekend, Chris,
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Speaker 16: about how you know, in other places around the world,
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Speaker 16: and this was in particular in relation to Canada, but
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Speaker 16: also talking about New Zealand, how it seems like the
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Speaker 16: voters are falling out of love with progressivism. So this,
44:49
Speaker 16: you know, cutesy, cuddly kindness politics, cuddle economics that were
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Speaker 16: all promised was going to deliver.
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Speaker 6: Utopia has delivered.
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Speaker 16: You know, some pretty has delivered some pretty major consequences,
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Speaker 16: long term consequences, lots of division.
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Speaker 6: A lot of destruction.
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Speaker 16: I think people are starting to to I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: Wake up to wokism. It might be on the way out.
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Speaker 1: Here is Albo today hitting back at Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton will continue as he did yesterday, to look
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Speaker 3: for areas of division, to look for areas in which
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Speaker 3: he can try to promote fear in the community. That's
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Speaker 3: something he's done his entire political life.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, Look, Jim, if they want to go toe
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Speaker 1: to toe, I think that's great because there's plenty of
45:42
Speaker 1: substance in the debate as well. They've got some big
45:44
Speaker 1: issues they disagree on. And I think Peter Dutton is
45:48
Speaker 1: just going to look strong compared to.
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Speaker 17: He's Mister Albanese is so limp, wristed like he is
45:55
Speaker 17: so like a shiver looking for a spine to look
45:58
Speaker 17: to run up. There's no strength, you know. I keep
46:01
Speaker 17: coming back to this old dearie me. We've got anti Semitism.
46:05
Speaker 17: I might just have another beer in Cottterslow. This absolute
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Speaker 17: abrogation of duty on so many on so many levels,
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Speaker 17: as he has promised the earth and under delivered and
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Speaker 17: an obfuscated and abdicated at every point. He doesn't even
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Speaker 17: he's not even convincing in that that grab that we
46:25
Speaker 17: just saw. I mean it was like he was a
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Speaker 17: bit bloody, bored and dreamy of copea kabana.
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Speaker 6: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But if they were, wouldn't he I mean, if they.
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Speaker 17: Want to go totd to toe, I agree. I think
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Speaker 17: mister Albanez is going to come off second best. And
46:37
Speaker 17: this is the point. He's the government. He's the government
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Speaker 17: here's to be. He's the one who's been the captain
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Speaker 17: of the ship for the last three years, that is
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Speaker 17: the ship that has steered.
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Speaker 6: Us towards the icebergs.
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Speaker 17: It's not Peter Dutton who's been in charge of this
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Speaker 17: holy mess we find ourselves in, have you.
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Speaker 1: As you've said all along, he's never seemed to grasp
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Speaker 1: the fact he's the Prime Minister and needs to act
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Speaker 1: and leave. Look, I'm kind of it's kind of lucky
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Speaker 1: to have you too on board tonight with your Italian background.
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Speaker 1: I want to raise that age old question about pizza
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Speaker 1: before I get your answers when it comes to pizza
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Speaker 1: and pineapple, because look at this pizza shop in the UK.
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Speaker 1: They think it's an abomination to put pineapple on a pizza,
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Speaker 1: so they're having an Hawaiian pizza, but they're charging nearly
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Speaker 1: two hundred bucks for it as a disincentive. Now, all right,
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Speaker 1: a brilliant tactic, Gemma, But do you agree with the.
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Speaker 17: Sentiment pineapple on pizza is not a thing. If you
47:31
Speaker 17: go to Italy, you will be mocked, just as if
47:33
Speaker 17: you try to order a couple of tina after eleven
47:35
Speaker 17: o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 6: It is not an all day coffee. It's a breakfast coffee.
47:38
Speaker 17: Topping it up is not a thing I one hundred
47:42
Speaker 17: percent want to bow down and applaud these people. Good
47:44
Speaker 17: on them for protecting my cultural heritage.
47:47
Speaker 1: Who thought THEO and we keep bombs would save Italian
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Speaker 1: culinary expertise? There? What about you, Carrie? Surely you know
47:54
Speaker 1: you get the pizza with plenty of capsicum and olive
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Speaker 1: and salami. Just a sprinkly of pineapple sets it off beautifully.
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Speaker 16: No, it should be punishable by death, and in fact
48:05
Speaker 16: the one hundred pounds isn't enough. It should be one
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Speaker 16: hundred pounds and then a public shaming out the front
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Speaker 16: for all to see your absolute disrespect of food.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Now, what we haven't got time to talk about at
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Speaker 1: length is your mates, the Royals, the former royals, Harry
48:21
Speaker 1: and Meghan have been wandering around the bushfire dispensing kind
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Speaker 1: wishes to run. I don't think everybody's appreciated that, but
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Speaker 1: I no doubt you'll be all over that. Thanks for
48:31
Speaker 1: joining us, Caroline Doruso and Jeverton Uni. That's all the
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Speaker 1: time we've got for you tonight. It's great to be back.
48:36
Speaker 1: We've got plenty coming up for the rest of this week,
48:38
Speaker 1: and as you might have seen, next week, I'll bring
48:42
Speaker 1: the show to you from Washington d C for the
48:45
Speaker 1: inauguration weeks. I can't wait for that. We'll have plenty
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Speaker 1: on the US politics tomorrow, but now Peter Kreedlin