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Prince Andrew’s Downfall, An Ill Wind, and Chatbots Go Sex-Mad. · Mark and Pete

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  Prince Andrews downfall and ill wind and chat bots go sex mad
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  this week. The world's gone slightly off
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  its rocker again. We've got a king trying to pray,
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  strange goings on at the BBC and, well, we've got machines
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  trying to flirt. More of that later here on Mark
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  and Pete. 2 blokes with half an opinion.
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  Now here's our first. Story Dirty dealings It is said
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  when someone digs the dirt, more detrituses discover deeper down
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  and mud sticks and can really hurt when it's thrown against
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  the crown. Yes, Well, it does seem though
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  that Prince Andrew has definitely done his best to
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  allow many people to throw dirt against the crown.
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  Well Prince Andrew's been back in the news once again, this
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  time because of the fact that it seems more scandals seem to be
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  coming out day by day. Now he has relinquished his
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  title, the Duke of York and also the Order of the Garter.
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  Where does this now leave the Royal Family?
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  What's interesting is that on a day-to-day basis he is still a
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  Prince and is still living at the mansion in Windsor.
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  The Royal Lodge has now, as he is still living there as a
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  resident, has a lease up to the 2078.
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  I must say that's a long time to be living at the expense of
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  Charles. Mr. Pete, I ask you, do you
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  think now that there's any way back for Prince Andrew?
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  And probably more important, as each scandal seems to be
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  unfolding day by day, what does Prince Charles do with the likes
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  of Andrew? You'd you'd have thought,
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  wouldn't you, that there'd be no way back.
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  But the great British public has a very short memory and there
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  may well be. But for the moment at least,
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  he's got to try and keep out of the out of the limelight and the
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  the visit of King Charles, his beloved brother, to see the
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  Pope. It is an historic event.
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  He should be making all the headlines for 500 years since
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  it's since such a thing has happened.
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  So this is a great event for the monarchy.
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  Should be, should be wonderful. I mean, you've got you, you,
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  you've got the, the king with his history and then the
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  historic Roman Catholic Church with a, a reach to a different
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  group of people across the world should build up in terms of
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  brand loyalty, should be great for both of them.
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  But then you've got Andrew getting in the way, diluting it,
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  diluting the brand, at least the royal brand by by this and it it
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  may be that he's incapable of of of keeping himself from getting
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  in the way. If do you know a gentle
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  listener, Mark? Do you know the the character
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  known as Nice but Dim? Who?
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  Oh yes, was I think. Harry Enfield.
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  Harry Enfield comedy character who had a rather posh person who
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  was nice but dim and posh voice but rather pompous and dim.
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  And if you were to want to replace him with a real live
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  person I think Prince Andrew would be the person.
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  He just seems incapable of of being able to 1 see how bad his
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  own actions are and how bad they look and how being pompous and
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  self-serving about them doesn't help.
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  The interview he did earlier when he when these allegations
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  first came out about him being with the the Epstein girls.
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  He apparently thought he'd done very well in the interview and
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  yet he just came home, came across as badly as you possibly
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  could. We chose his lack of, of self
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  knowledge and I, I, I think, yes, there's no way for him to
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  come back as in be a respected member of the royal family.
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  But he'll be back in the headlines, I'm sure of it.
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  Well, it's very likely. Well what's interesting is the
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  Metropolitan Police in London is actively looking into media
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  reports that Prince Andrew tried to obtain personal information
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  about his accuser at the time, Virginia Giuffre, and this was
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  through his police protection. Now the media are aware that the
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  fact that there were claims that were made where again there was
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  some cover up maybe Prince Andrew alleged of possibly
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  besmirched Virginia's name. Now, of course, what we know and
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  we've already seen that Miss Goofrey, who sadly has already
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  taken her own life in in recent times, at the time did accuse
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  Prince Andrew as being guilty of these crimes.
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  You mentioned about the interview.
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  Prince Andrew never really provided much evidence in that
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  to say that he was innocent. No, But what I think is crucial
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  here is his relationship, of course, with Jeffrey Epstein.
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  More and more emails have come out.
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  I'm surprised that they're coming out now.
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  But maybe we shouldn't because I guess it's about how you tell
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  the story and when you tell tell the evidence.
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  But this this kind of sex trafficking that Jeffrey Epstein
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  was really embraced in, you do wonder to what depth Prince
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  Andrew was aligned with it because it seems that more and
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  more evidence will likely surface.
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  And I think that's one of the reasons why he's sort of pushed
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  the button a little bit earlier to say he's giving up his
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  titles. He's removing himself from
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  public, you know, environment. And the fact is that
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  unfortunately, there is a bit of an irony here.
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  I don't think he can stay away because of his association with
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  his brother. I mean, he's the king.
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  And the fact is he's also living in his own, in the King's
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  grands. I, I don't see this going away.
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  I, I really think that this is not only damaging his own
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  individual reputation, but the reputation of the royal family.
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  And to your point, at a time when we should be celebrating a
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  king with a Pope, we really sort of lost the bigger story here.
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  And I think it's a shame. And really, you have to point
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  your finger at Prince Andrew. There is one other thing which I
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  know that some people were saying he's called Prince
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  Andrew. Why?
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  Why can't we relinquish that? Now?
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  Apparently the law states that by the nature of birthright, it
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  would take a change of law to remove his Prince status.
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  My question would be, maybe it's long overdue.
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  What do you think? It does seem I think it is a
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  long overdue and it would be a good move to make if you could
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  do that maybe would start to if you forgive the pump, put these
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  things to bed. But I mean, obviously this is
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  bad and often I put in here a Bible verse saying to make a
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  comment on on the story. There were so many Bible verses
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  about infidelity, about sexual propriety and all that sort of
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  thing so that I I can't think I want to to create exactly.
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  I mean, Romans 12/18 says if possible, so far as it depends
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  on you, live peaceably with all encouraging you to not just if
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  you're innocent, just sit back and rely on the fact that you're
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  innocent, but to try and make peace with all the different
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  people involved. That's what Andrew should be
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  doing. I think, Oh, sorry, Prince
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  Andrew should be doing. I can give an example just in
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  closing of someone else who was accused of behaving badly in
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  things organised by Epstein, and that's Alan Dershowitz, the
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  Harvard Law professor. He he was accused of being on
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  the island and having sex with minors, with underage girls.
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  And he laid out evidence that this wasn't the case.
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  In fact, every the couple of times he visited, it was to give
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  a lecture or to attend a lecture.
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  And his wife was with him. And he also put into place, you
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  know, a lawsuit ready to go. So he would sue anyone who
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  claimed it. That's the way that you do it.
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  You lay the facts out. And it may be that Andrew,
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  Prince Andrew can't do this because he is guilty.
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  But if he isn't, the way to do it is to lay all the facts out,
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  be absolutely open. And then you can have in place,
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  you know, you could, you could then stop people from
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  commenting. Certainly in Britain and
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  America, places where you, you have a good legal system, you
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  could, you could stop people. You could stop all this if he
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  were just prepared to open up about it, and I think that's the
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  only way forward if if he can't do that, then he should just
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  disappear. Well, there is that there is
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  another sort of rumbling saga that Prince Andrew who's lost
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  his title, lost his status, etcetera, struggling for money.
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  Some people will say, well, what if he monetises this, if it's a
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  nice of a book. We've seen this obviously with
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  Prince Harry, and that's one of the things that obviously royal
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  family is concerned about. But I suspect that really what's
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  going to happen here is that there's going to be quite a lot
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  of lawsuits sitting behind the scenes.
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  I think this is going to be more story rumbling and listeners,
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  let's see more to come. Well.
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  If we then move on to a different subject and without
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  any doubt this is an I'll wind that blows no good.
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  The waft of wickedness. If you find yourself in a
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  position of polite society, but then suddenly an I'll wind blows
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  no good, simply blame it on an unexpected anxiety and someone
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  else where you stood. I know that's a technique that
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  you use. Well, why am I saying this?
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  Well, of course, embarrassment. Well, when you're embarrassment
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  in private life, I guess these embarrassing habits happen.
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  But unfortunately, on the third episode of the UK series called
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  The Celebrity Traitors, the veteran British actress Celia
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  Imrie was unfortunately captured during filming, releasing wind
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  at a very tense point in the game.
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  What happened? Presenter Claudia Wiggle
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  demanded. And unfortunately, Claudia said,
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  I just farted. It's nerves, but I always blow
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  up. Well, Mr. Pete, I know that
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  sparks of howling, of laughter come when it comes to these sort
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  of matters, but should we be so embarrassed?
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  Or should it just be just to be open for all to enjoy?
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  Well, I'm not sure if enjoy is the word, but I I think that the
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  first point I would make is that at the moment anyway, of course
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  there are technical, technological advances always
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  happening in media. But at the moment you can't
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  smell when someone farts on television.
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  So I think that takes away the takes away part of the insult
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  and embarrassment of it. She apparently audibly farted,
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  yes. But if you.
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  If you belt it, if you doubt it and belt it, but you haven't
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  smelt it, to use the the the technical term.
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  But then really it's just an an amusing incident, isn't it?
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  I think that because it's slightly embarrassing makes it
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  all the more amusing and dealing with it in a in an open.
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  But the reply by it was Celia, wasn't it, who farted?
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  And Claudia replied and she responded in a very deadpan
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  manner. And that's the way to do it.
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  And in fact, I think this is, this is something, you know, I
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  know there are many amongst our listeners who are ardent
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  feminists. I'm sure this is one of the
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  rights that I think have been taken away from women.
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  The right to fart openly and loudly in public has often been
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  taken away from women. And I think this movement could
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  be, you know, she's representing from all the farting women out
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  there. Yes, it's a, it's as you say,
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  yes, a movement, a a very public movement, in fact.
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  So I'm right behind it in every sense of the word.
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  Well, interestingly, fellow contestant Kate Garraway, who's
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  an ITV Good Morning presenter, TV programme and news channel,
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  said it was so loud. How could anybody so elegant, so
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  petite, so gracious, let off that huge?
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  Sound. Yes.
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  Well, I think also impressive. Impressive, yeah.
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  And impressive, yes, why not and blow your own trumpet, as they
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  say. But I think that in this
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  particular case, what was worse is that it seems to me that
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  that's what everybody has been talking about.
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  It's amazing. Even the BBC themselves have
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  been talking about it. I will say that if that
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  happened, say for example, in a business environment, people
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  would look either very embarrassed or try and cover it
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  up. But no, what's interesting in
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  this particular case, a social taboo is really what we're
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  talking about here has suddenly been brought to light.
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  So is it really that we're breaking down the barrier, not
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  just breaking down the wind, we're breaking down the.
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  Barrier. To to things where, you know,
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  things that we can't or couldn't have talked about in the past
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  really should just be just everyday.
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  And I think that's quite interesting, isn't it, that, you
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  know, even something like the BBC is prepared to talk about
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  farting. Yes, and and I and I think that
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  this this being able to laugh at yourself in that way is very
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  important to be able to, you know, not take yourself too
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  seriously goes back to our previous episode.
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  I'm not saying that Prince Andrew should try farting on
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  television to improve his image. No, I am saying that.
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  But what I'm saying is that the seriousness of the matter means
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  that you you know, it wouldn't, it wouldn't exonerate him, of
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  course, even if he was much loved figure the bad behaviour
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  that he's that he's accused of. But what the point I'm making is
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  that if you don't take yourself too seriously and allow
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  criticism of yourself as well as people laughing at yourself, you
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  end up being appreciated much more.
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  And be what? What's wrong with people
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  actually liking you? It just reminds me of an
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  incident where there's an American politician called Eric
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  Swalwell, a Democrat, who is who is known for some time ago, a
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  few years ago, I think it's about five years ago, he on live
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  television speaking into a camera, sort of raised himself
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  up, you know, in that way when you're clenching your buttocks
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  to try and keep in some, some wind that's built up.
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  And live on television as he was being interviewed, he farted
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  loudly and didn't admit it, didn't admit it at all, just go
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  straight face, tried, tried to move on, but there was no moving
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  on. Some people said, I mean, I
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  wouldn't say this sort of thing that he was trying to gaslight
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  the American people and he'd end up with just being gas.
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  But no, he was an example of how not to do it.
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  And let's just you know, you can look up on YouTube or other
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  video platforms are available and just look at the Swalwell
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  fart incident and you'll, you'll see it for yourself.
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  Thankfully, I'm afraid that too many politicians are full of it,
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  and I'm going to say we can all agree about that.
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  But we we swiftly move on to a different subject, and in this
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  particular case, it's about an ominous algorithm.
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  A chat box conducts automated tasks based upon what the user
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  asks. But if the coding becomes
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  foreboding, then beware what AI masks.
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  Yes, in fact, what I will say to you now is a very serious
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  subject because 7 technology companies are being probed by
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  the US regulator over the way their AI Artificial intelligence
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  chat box interact with children. Yes, remarkably, the Federal
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  Trade Commission, FTC, is requesting information on how
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  the companies monetise these products and if they are and do
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  have safety measures in place. What's remarkable also just to
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  continue this is that Open AI plans to allow a wider range of
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  content and that includes erotica on its popular chat box
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  chat box chat DDB. Mr. Pete, I can't believe that
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  this is even happening or even being considered.
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  Is it possible that although that Mister Sam Oldman, who is
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  their boss, thinks that this is about treating adults like
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  adults, really this is serious for children as well?
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  What's going on here? Yes, I I think that that
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  ChatGPT, I mean the stats aren't freely available, I don't think,
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  but I think it's possibly the most popular public AI at the
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  moment. And it it it's probably under
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  pressure to allow adults to behave like adults, as he has
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  said, treat adult users like adults approach and having it
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  erotica, as they call it sexual content, as we would call it
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  available for verified adults is all very well, but having it
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  available at all rather demeans the product, doesn't it?
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  It, it's I, I think, yes, treating adults like adults
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  should include them having some sort of self-control and not
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  needing to look at erotica at all.
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  I think, yeah, I mean, OK, we're, we're all sinners, we all
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  have our weaknesses. But it it it, it therefore seems
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  to me, knowing that to be the case, that it'd be great to not
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  have such stuff available. Don't put temptation in people's
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  way, especially in a public, public available chat bot like
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  ChatGPT. I could see why.
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  I could see that the pressure would be there, but resisting
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  that pressure would keep you on a higher mobile plane.
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  Maybe that people would then we would gravitate toward not
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  everyone, but we would gravitate more towards open eye, open AI,
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  ChatGPT rather than others. They give way to this.
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  So I think it's, I think it's, this is my opinion.
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  I mean, you're more of the of the, the business experts here,
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  but I think it's, it's a business as well as a moral
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  mistake. I think it's a business mistake
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  in terms of the brand. I'm afraid what I'm going to say
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  here will probably annoy a lot of business people, but
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  basically, money drives decisions.
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  And what's interesting with this is, is that algorithms can work
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  in multiple ways. It can very much without any
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  doubt, be a great source of information and even
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  entertainment in that matter. But one of the reasons why the
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  regulator in the US has decided to pursue this is because again,
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  even open AI acknowledges they have weaknesses in their
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  protections. And I've noted that also that
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  when you have long conversations with a chat box or any kind of
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  algorithms that unfortunately many children have died by
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  suicide as a result of sort of actually ironically chatting or
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  having conversations with these chat box because there's been
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  sinister content and so. To me it goes back to learn your
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  lesson. This is the same in business.
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  If you make a mistake, you can actually learn.
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  So if you think about how organisations which at the time,
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  you know, 20 years ago, whether it be say Facebook or Twitter,
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  at the time, they were criticised for just being a
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  facilitator of bad content, even though that they didn't generate
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  the bad content, they were allowing the content and they
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  were implicit. But I think that in this
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  particular case, anybody who's creating a chat box, the
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  principles the same. You have to monitor the content.
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  It's all about the data that goes in it.
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  And I think that the very concept of being able to even
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  put erotica on there, Well, I guess if it's through paywall
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  subscriptions, you might be able to sort of protect people.
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  But bearing in mind the the world we're in, it's relatively
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  easy for even young people to break into these things and gain
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  access. And that's the thing that I
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  think, you know, it doesn't matter whether you put a
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  password protection behind it. There are always going to be
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  examples. And one example alone is just
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  not good enough, you know, if one child dies or even if an
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  adult does. So that's the concern for me,
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  that's particular. And just to comment on on the,
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  the, the fact that children and teens are using AI chat bots and
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  the regulators probing into AI such as ChatGPT, but others as
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  well. The, the, the problem is that
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  AI, the way that it functions, is using, you know, all the
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  different writings subjects and that now pictures and videos are
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  available on a particular subject in order to inform
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  itself. It's basically answering the,
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  the programming question, what should I say next?
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  And it comes up with something next.
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  But it is it is possible, I believe, to override this and
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  having to say no, we, we can't talk about that or, or and stop
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  certain certain things from being said.
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  And it does need to be very careful, particularly people
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  talking about suicide. And I did write into when in the
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  early time when ChatGPT had just become public available was
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  writing in something about that to see what it would do.
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  And it at that point, it refused to talk about it and gave me
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  links to to help lines to to do with it.
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  I mean, it was just a test for my, my point of view, but I
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  think that sort of thing can be put in in in place.
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  Now the other thing, this is a technological thing and maybe
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  some of our listeners will know about this technology more than
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  I do. But I would say it's, it's
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  possible using the, the inputs that people put into AI to
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  determine what their age is. So it should be able to respond
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  accordingly is what I'm saying. And so we wouldn't, and maybe
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  even stop people from using it if they're not older.
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  So I think that the, what I'm saying is I believe that there
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  are technological answers to this, but we but even having the
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  adult content, the the erotica content available makes it a
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  target for people, for teenage boys.
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  Should I, may I suggest trying to access it?
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  So we need, I think that should just, I, I would suggest just as
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  a, a business point, but also from regulators point that that
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  should just shouldn't be allowed.
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  Well, indeed, this is a close out on this.
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  What's interesting in clinicians have also warned of something
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  that's called AI psychosis, where someone loses touch with
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  reality after intense use of chat box.
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  In fact, they've gone on to say experts say flattery, an
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  agreement build into large, say large language models can fuel
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  such delusions. So you can see we're at a really
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  sort of a crucial point. And ironically, many, many, many
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  companies, whether it be Open AI or others who are using these
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  algorithms for their businesses, really now have a responsibility
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  here, folks. Yes, yes.
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  So I mean, as as we come to an end this week, after this
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  week's, in our three stories, this week's parade of folly,
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  we're reminded that titles, talent and technology can all
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  misfire. But remember, if we trust in God
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  and his Kingdom, it'll always, it'll always work out in the
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