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3 Guys Before The Game - WVU Basketball vs Ohio State Recap (Episode 683) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome on in. It is time for three
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  Speaker 1: Guys before the Game. It's episode number six hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eighty three. It's our recap of West Virginia against the
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  Speaker 1: Buckeyes of Ohio State. The fellas both wearing blue darn
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  Speaker 1: super weird, super weird. We have a little technical issue.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not wearing headphones, and it's the weirdest thing
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  Speaker 1: in the world. Yeah, it is, isn't it? Because I
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  Speaker 1: just I don't hear myself I do. It doesn't feel right, Brad?
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  Speaker 1: Are you feeling okay?
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  Speaker 2: I've done how many episodes of this show?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Three sixty eight, three saighty.
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  Speaker 1: One, which is three six eighty three.
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  Speaker 2: Not sure I've ever worn headphones? Yeah, so I'm okay.
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  Speaker 3: Where's veteran radio guys wear headphones?
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  Speaker 2: We're headphones or old radio guys, whatever, however you want
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  Speaker 2: to categorize that veteran sounds a man. I know it
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  Speaker 2: makes you feel awkward to not have them, Yes, Brad,
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  Speaker 2: it does. However, we're prepared to did broadcast.
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  Speaker 1: All right, We've come together today to look back at
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia's last basketball game Saturday night, memorable for a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of different reasons. Double overtime eighty nine eighty eight
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State knocks off West Virginia. The Mountaineers ten point
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  Speaker 1: lead at the break and had that lead up to
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  Speaker 1: as many as sixteen points at the fourteen oh three
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  Speaker 1: mark in the second half, and he thought this is good.
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  Speaker 1: But Ohio State rallied and the guy that we talked
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  Speaker 1: a ton about going into the game, Bruce Thornton, finally
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  Speaker 1: warmed up and finished up with twenty three points, including
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  Speaker 1: the game winner. He played all but one minute and
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  Speaker 1: eight seconds of the game.
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  Speaker 2: And chased Honor huffed defensively for the majority of that game. Now,
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  Speaker 2: it affected him late, as we commented multiple times. He
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  Speaker 2: was gassed at the end and wasn't able to stay
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  Speaker 2: in front of Honor, But offensively, he still had enough
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  Speaker 2: in the tank to make those last couple and he's
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  Speaker 2: a player, bigtown player came through in the.
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  Speaker 1: End, absolutely so. Now West Virginia has several days off,
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  Speaker 1: don't play again until Monday the twenty second. So you
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  Speaker 1: got all this week, You're off this Saturday. You're going
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  Speaker 1: to play the fighting Jerry Rice's of Mississippi Valley State
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  Speaker 1: Monday the twenty second, and then you got another extended break.
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  Speaker 1: You go from twenty two all the way to January two.
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  Speaker 1: It's just amazing. Yeah, how long it's break.
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  Speaker 2: A game in two weeks. Yeah, yeah, rare this time.
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  Speaker 1: Here, and you might be able to say that's a
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  Speaker 1: good thing right now for this Mountaineer basketball team.
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  Speaker 2: Hope that's the case. Get some rest and recovery and practice,
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  Speaker 2: continue to hone in and work on some things, and
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  Speaker 2: then be ready to go as you hit the road
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  Speaker 2: for what is a massively difficult stretch to open this season.
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  Speaker 1: I started to peak twelfth season. I started to peak
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  Speaker 1: yesterday because I hadn't looked. I knew we were going
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  Speaker 1: to open up against Iowa State, and then I knew
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati was second. But then I said, okay, what after that?
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  Speaker 1: Kansas and Houston three or three or your first four
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  Speaker 1: along with Iowa State.
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  Speaker 4: You can't And maybe it'll change once you get into
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  Speaker 4: conference play and things will start to sort out a
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  Speaker 4: little bit. But you look at that schedule, you can't
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  Speaker 4: find like, oh, okay, we're fine here.
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  Speaker 3: You can't find one.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this league right now, top to bottom, Brad
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  Speaker 4: is just brutal.
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  Speaker 2: We say it every year, it's the best league in America.
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  Speaker 2: This year it might have taken a clip up. And
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  Speaker 2: you're right, things will maybe shake themselves out as we
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  Speaker 2: get into season. As injuries play out for some folks.
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  Speaker 2: But I was looking this morning at some things. For
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  Speaker 2: of the top nine teams in the Ken Palm rating
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  Speaker 2: are out of the Big twelve. For the top nine,
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  Speaker 2: seven of the top thirty five. But then here's the season,
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  Speaker 2: here comes the season, this next number, and it's one
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  Speaker 2: of those things. To your All's point, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: The depth in this league is on parallel. There's some
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  Speaker 2: bad basketball teams in the Big twelve or in the
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  Speaker 2: Big Ten. There's some bad teams in the ACC massively.
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  Speaker 2: There's games where you roll in player ce game you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get wins, right. I mean, the ACC is losing
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  Speaker 2: every game they play to Hofstra. All due respect to
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  Speaker 2: Hobster and Speedy Claxson, but every time an ACC team
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  Speaker 2: plays Hoster beats them. There's bad teams, but in the
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  Speaker 2: Big twelve there's just not. But here's where your season
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  Speaker 2: comes from, and here's the depth. There's seven teams in
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  Speaker 2: this league that are now ranked between fifty four and
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  Speaker 2: seventy one in Ken Palm. That's the decider right there.
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  Speaker 2: What do those teams look like? Arizona State, who was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be really bad this year, and Hurley's on
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  Speaker 2: a scorching hot seat and they're no good. And Arizona
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  Speaker 2: State done tew players. They have two dudes guys that
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  Speaker 2: show up every single week and best performances from the
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  Speaker 2: Big twelve each week. They have guys in there. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they're playing really well, have some wins. There's just not
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  Speaker 2: a night off. But what happens to those seven teams
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  Speaker 2: that are in essence coin flip games when you go
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  Speaker 2: in there, if you're West Virginia at this point, what
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  Speaker 2: happens in those sets?
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  Speaker 3: What happens in those coin flips?
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  Speaker 4: At the same time, you got to play the Houstons,
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  Speaker 4: the Arizonas, the Byus. I mean Arizona didn't. They just
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  Speaker 4: set a record, like they beat top five ranked teams
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  Speaker 4: in their first I think it's nine games.
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  Speaker 3: Nine games.
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  Speaker 1: They're a different cut right now.
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  Speaker 4: It's like you're coming off these games where you played
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  Speaker 4: Ohio State and Clemson.
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  Speaker 3: It's like that and more all the time, all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, big boy basketball, every single time. So we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into that. We've got textual healing. Also, Brad brought in
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  Speaker 1: the three very large boxes. I saw that from a
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  Speaker 1: from one of our P one listeners, Tommy Boy not Independence. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: he's still an independence.
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  Speaker 5: Is he?
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  Speaker 1: But I believe we'll just refer them tom boy from Independence.
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  Speaker 1: We got this big, this big package. And then there's
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  Speaker 1: two more down here, and they're not light.
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  Speaker 6: Right, not light.
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  Speaker 2: I know what two of the things.
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  Speaker 1: I know what that one is because stuck my hand
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  Speaker 1: through the whole Smell it too. Yeah, pineapple. He gets
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  Speaker 1: these pineapples literally from Hawaii. Hawaii, brings them in from Hawaii.
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  Speaker 1: So we got we got that going on all right again,
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  Speaker 1: operating here a little bit naked.
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  Speaker 3: No hill for a climber. We're good.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna go hoppies, obvious observations and without headsets.
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  Speaker 1: So I hope the mix ism.
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  Speaker 5: He's got thoughts that sound brand new, but that things
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  Speaker 5: we already knew.
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  Speaker 3: He got his.
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  Speaker 5: Living bomb ready, Heaven knows, I take it quick before
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  Speaker 5: his limousvation.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, baby, I got one for his start. What's
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  Speaker 1: that snowed over the weekend? Did it go ahead?
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  Speaker 3: Snowed and cold? Something's already touched on.
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  Speaker 4: I just thought, listening to you guys, it was just
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  Speaker 4: a heartbreaking loss, a game where you had an ideal
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  Speaker 4: opportunity to beat a quality opponent, and I went back yesterday,
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  Speaker 4: I did some of my own research and at the
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  Speaker 4: third Tony referenced it. At the thirteen fifty two mark,
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  Speaker 4: West Virginia's up sixteen, and I went through each from
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  Speaker 4: that point forward, and Ohio State was shooting was eleven
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  Speaker 4: of sixteen from that point on, sixty nine percent. Talked
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  Speaker 4: about Thornton mobilely buying them just and a lot of
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  Speaker 4: points in the paint and bright you'll probably talk about
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  Speaker 4: that they were really good in the paint. West Virginia
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  Speaker 4: in that same period from the time they were up
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  Speaker 4: sixteen was four of seventeen. Wow, twenty four percent. So
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  Speaker 4: rather than look at the whole game, I looked at
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  Speaker 4: those last critical fourteen minutes. West Virginia in the second
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  Speaker 4: half eight of twelve from a free throw. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 4: sixty seven percent, But in a game where he lost
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  Speaker 4: by a point and it was tied at the end,
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  Speaker 4: you know, all those matter. Thornton we talked about, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he's a dude. Heated up in second half and even
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  Speaker 4: when his outside shot wasn't falling, right, what is he?
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  Speaker 4: He's a scorer, right, He's a guy who can score.
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  Speaker 4: Missippi Valley's next, then you begin what we talked about,
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  Speaker 4: just a brutal conference schedule. You got to go to
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  Speaker 4: Ohio State. A couple of other notes beyond the West
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  Speaker 4: Virginia men. West Virginia women finished their non comfort schedule
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  Speaker 4: dominating on the road at Texas A and M. Sixty
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  Speaker 4: three forty five, forced the Aggies into twenty four turnovers
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  Speaker 4: and the Aggie shot just thirty four percent. Carol Wheeler
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  Speaker 4: Carroll Wheeler fourth double double of the season, sixteen points,
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  Speaker 4: ten rebounds, and coach Kellogg finish as a non conference
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  Speaker 4: schedule with four straight wins.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think many people on the campus at Texas
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  Speaker 1: A and M are going to spend a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of time being bummed out about the loss to West
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  Speaker 1: Virginia after what their volleyball team did yesterday. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: mean Nebraska. That was one of those deals where they
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  Speaker 1: already went to the trophy shop and already put in
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  Speaker 1: Nebraska's name on the championship trophy. No one was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be able to sniff them, right, and Texas A
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  Speaker 1: and M's volleyball team beat them yesterday, So just a monumental.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was historic for A and m to even
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  Speaker 2: get to that point. They were on a and they
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  Speaker 2: haven't had in decades. They're in volleyball.
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  Speaker 4: Finally, little nugget for you guys. On this day, December
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  Speaker 4: fifteenth and nineteen seventy three, huh, Tennessee beat Temple and
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  Speaker 4: basketball eleven to six.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, they held it eleven to six. Temple used the
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  Speaker 3: intentional stall.
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  Speaker 4: Tactic what year seventy five, seventy three, seventy three to
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  Speaker 4: try to win the game.
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  Speaker 3: They stalled and still lost eleven to six.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 4: It was the lowest scoring NCAA basketball game ever and
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  Speaker 4: always will be because back then, what.
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  Speaker 1: No shot clock? But now you're assuming some teams just
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  Speaker 1: don't come up cold one of these days eleven sixth,
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  Speaker 1: Final twelve.
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  Speaker 4: The shot clock did not come in until twelve years later,
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  Speaker 4: but on this day, nineteen seventy three, eleven to six
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  Speaker 4: was the final as the Valls knocked off the Owls
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  Speaker 4: at home to have the lowest scoring NCAA basketball game ever.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a longtime advocate of liking super weird stuff in sports.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I still like no shot clock in high school,
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's the great, it's the great equalizer
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  Speaker 1: if you don't have the horses to run up and
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  Speaker 1: down with somebody. I think it's just a strategy play.
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  Speaker 4: It is, but Tony, how many, all due respect to
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  Speaker 4: high school basketball players and coaches, how many high school
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  Speaker 4: basketball games have we seen where a team says we're.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna just run some clock backfire.
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  Speaker 3: And it backfires because it's just it's hard. It's hard
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  Speaker 3: to do.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I got some other some things I'll bring to
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  Speaker 4: you next time. But this is also an important this
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  Speaker 4: month and important anniversary for basketball in general.
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  Speaker 3: I'll do that for you next time.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's teased. Now he's teasing obvious out. Can you
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: tease an obvious observation?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, can you tease.
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  Speaker 7: One somethings from Hobby's point of view? Segment has been
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  Speaker 2: Smooth Talk, that's the.
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  Speaker 1: Plan and Hoppy's obvious observation still without a sponsor. You know,
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: we we took a lot of heat last episode from
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: your obvious obvious observations. Several people texted and being a
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  Speaker 1: little too hard on you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm no, He'll for a climber. I'm good, I'm fine,
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  Speaker 2: I can hold my own. But thank you, thank you
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  Speaker 2: for the con gestures, but I'm fine, you sure?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Good. I mean someone that wasn't me said, are you
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: kidding me? The Vitrey all and the shots that he's
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: taken as a talk show host. I think he can
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  Speaker 1: defend himself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've gotten a lot worse. There's been a lot
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  Speaker 3: worse over the over the years.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, believe me, no counseling is needed.
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  Speaker 2: No, thanks to therapy years ago, I'm perfectly capable of
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  Speaker 2: handling these kinds of things self factualized, in fact.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely the uh the Mountaineers. As we said, let's jump
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  Speaker 1: in here with the spreads on stats, the numbers from
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  Speaker 1: this game. When I was just thinking about it, running
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  Speaker 1: it through. I watched it back yesterday, and the thing
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  Speaker 1: that stood out to me is how many times there
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  Speaker 1: was just one play if you made that play right there?
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  Speaker 1: Done one play? I mean baseline out of bounds, stepping
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  Speaker 1: over the end line. At least three how many or
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  Speaker 1: four toes? Just one here? One there took away a
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  Speaker 1: basket on our.
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  Speaker 2: Huff wears one size smaller shoe. Toe was on the line,
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  Speaker 2: barely a toe, right, Those are just a couple of
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  Speaker 2: the I thought there were seven or eight different categories
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  Speaker 2: we could go find where if one one of those
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  Speaker 2: one play within those seven or eight categories, not combined,
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  Speaker 2: just one of that changes the whole complex in the game.
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  Speaker 2: It's tough, and that's I guess where you walk away with.
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  Speaker 2: Disappointing is probably the word that's there. That's a game
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  Speaker 2: you did not could have won the game, should have
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  Speaker 2: won the game up ten and a halftime up sixteen. And
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  Speaker 2: I'll get into it. And as we always say, there's
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  Speaker 2: always a couple sides to this, and the overriding arching
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  Speaker 2: theme is going to be disappointing. Would have been great
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  Speaker 2: for your resume, would have been great for team confidence,
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  Speaker 2: would have been great for this staff to be able
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  Speaker 2: to stand in front of the team and say, there,
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  Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about. Both offensively and defensively. You
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  Speaker 2: see it works and you still can do that, and
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  Speaker 2: you still get that for ninety nine percent of that game.
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  Speaker 2: That's as good a job as you can do defensively
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  Speaker 2: on one of the best players in America. Offensively, you
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  Speaker 2: saw what can happen when multiple guys are playing. And
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  Speaker 2: I've got some numbers that'll back some of this up.
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  Speaker 2: But it was one of those games that you're right there.
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  Speaker 2: You just didn't get the result at the end. So
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  Speaker 2: there's a ton to build on. It shows how close
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  Speaker 2: this is, but you walk away in a results business saying,
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  Speaker 2: dang it, just like Clemson, two double digit leads late
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  Speaker 2: in the second half against two very good teams, and
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  Speaker 2: you had them and just couldn't make that one play.
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  Speaker 2: You needed to.
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  Speaker 1: Need to even it out. Man, during the course of
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  Speaker 1: the upcoming schedule, you got to get a couple that
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  Speaker 1: you probably don't deserve to win. You got to find
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  Speaker 1: a way to steal a couple of games and hopefully
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  Speaker 1: it evens itself out.
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  Speaker 4: Here's my question, maybe I should wait so after the
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  Speaker 4: Brad's stats, But so does that game show you that
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  Speaker 4: you're getting against good, that you're getting closer, or does
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  Speaker 4: that game show you that you still haven't figured out
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  Speaker 4: how to finish both.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I just said a second ago, I said
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  Speaker 2: it's close, because it is. It's close, you could see
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  Speaker 2: it coming. But it's also the second part. You haven't
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  Speaker 2: figured out yet as a team how to finish, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what you're still working on. That's a work in progress.
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  Speaker 2: You just haven't been able to do it. But listen, guy,
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  Speaker 2: it's a release. It's the margin of error between that
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  Speaker 2: statement is so thin. Again, you don't step out of
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  Speaker 2: bounds one time, and chance more finishes with a dunk
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  Speaker 2: is on our huff drives underneath baseline, and we're not
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  Speaker 2: having this conversation. We're saying, they've learned how to finish,
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  Speaker 2: they've learned how to win close games. They've come through
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  Speaker 2: in the clutch, They've had big play and it's one
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  Speaker 2: play somewhere right, you don't call it a ridiculous offensive
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  Speaker 2: foul on Jasper Floyd and maybe he finishes that game
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  Speaker 2: with the game winning shot, and we say, how about
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  Speaker 2: the game Jasper Floyd had on both ends of the floor,
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  Speaker 2: including your senior playmaker, steps up with the game on
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  Speaker 2: the line and finishes that game. Instead, he gets called
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  Speaker 2: for a push off there with when you don't even
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  Speaker 2: get a shot off, So the margin for error is
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  Speaker 2: right there. The dude well was a welling at Clemson.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he had five threes coming in the game.
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  Speaker 2: He misses one of the two threes that he made
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  Speaker 2: against us in the final two possessions, and we say,
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  Speaker 2: how about that big win in a neutral environment? You
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  Speaker 2: go on the road and this team grew up tonight, hoppy,
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  Speaker 2: this team really great, and instead we walk away because
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  Speaker 2: of two plays, one in each game, and go, well
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  Speaker 2: is this Dan got to learn how to finish raise
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: your thin margin FRER at this level against really really
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: good teams.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Answer to your question, both, they're a heck of a
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: lot closer than they are farther away. I would be
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: concerned if it was West Virginia that was behind by
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: sixteen and got beat by fifteen or eighteen points. Then
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: you go like, wait a second, something's wrong. No, they're
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: much closer than they are farther away. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: your number needs, all right, what stood out to.
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  Speaker 2: You the one number. I'm gonna give you a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of numbers here, hope people don't have another game to
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  Speaker 2: talk about, so steady yourself. The one number that I
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  Speaker 2: think jumped the most, and there was a bunch of them.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State led that darn game for five minutes and
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: twenty seven seconds of a fifty minute game, so it
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: was an extra long game. They led it for five
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and a half minutes. So when you talk about I said,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: disappointing is the word I walk away with. That's that
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: you controlled that game. You were absolutely burying them in
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the second half with fifteen minutes ago lead for five
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: twenty seven. A couple of the things that are going
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: to get lost bumm me out a little bit. One
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: of them is I said earlier, that's one of the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: great individual defensive efforts from Jasper Floyd. And I know
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: most people aren't watching as closely as we are, and
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I understand that, but they took a guy that was
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: playing as well as anybody in America. It's one of
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: the best players in college basketball, but playing as well
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: as almost anybody else. Top five type of guy in
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: terms of what he was playing in Thornton Bruce Thorarton,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: and held him in check for ninety nine percent of
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that game. Thornton finishes one of seven from three after
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: entering the game fifty six percent from distance on the air.
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  Speaker 2: Just didn't get any easy looks. And I've got more
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: coming up on Thornton, but here's one that illustrates how
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: difficult Jasper in particular made it on him. And there
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: were other guys that were helping, but Jasper had that
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Ohio State offense totally out of sync. That Ohio State
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: bench was frantic trying to figure out what their next
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: course of action was. And as good staffs do and
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: as good teams do, they figured out in the second
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: half and completely reverse course from what they were doing
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: and said, all right, we don't have Bruce Thornton controlling
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: this offense. How are we going to adjust? And they
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: did so give them a lot of credit, but that's
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: what you get against good teams and good staffs. But
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: early on, Jasper was all over Thornton, not only just
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: on ball defense, but wasn't letting him get the ball
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: very easily. There's a stat out there from a group
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: called shot quality. Truly interesting group that puts things together,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and the biggest thing they do they just it's what
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: it says, how quality are the shots that you're getting.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And a lot of times they'll go back in and
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: rerun the game based on how good or bad at
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: shots you got in which team should have won or
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: what the gap should have been based on you got
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a ton of great shots, you just missed him. You
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: took a lot of low quality shots, but you made them.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: We see that all the time in sports. In this
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: particular game, they had Thornton listed as the highest number
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: of low shot quality shots he had in any game
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: this year. Backs up what you saw on the floor
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: if you were watching that individual matchup a lot. So
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: that defensive effort by Jasper will be underrated or not
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: talked about because it didn't end up in a win. Right,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: So that's one of them. The other part and I'll
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: get into some more numbers on him in a minute.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Honor Huff's performance. I thought one of the really, really
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: great shot making performances in a West Virginia basketball game
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that again won't be talked about much because it came
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: in a loss. And I think, and I'll give you
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: some numbers here in a second on him, but from
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: a macro view of Honor, he pushed his game forward
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: coming out of that game the other night. He wasn't
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: just a shooter. He became a scorer. He took advantage
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: of wearing down that Ohio State defense in Thornton in particular,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and started putting the ball on the floor and running
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: past those Ohio State defenders that were flying at him.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And then what's the next stage of that. Those guys
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: were flying at him more than one guy because he
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: was taking all of their attention. That turned into Honor
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: with a season high and assists to other players. So
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that's important from a playmaking ability, that's important from a
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: strategy perspective from Ross Hodge on what he can do.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: It's important to have that on tape as you're now
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: going against some very great defensive teams that have to
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: decide how to play. It's not just simply now you
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: can flood at a guy that continues to lead the nation
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: in threes. His tear that he's on with what twenty
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: three to threes in the last four games, nearly six
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: per game, is just absolutely fantastic. So I'm disappointed he
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: had some big shots that won from the corner where
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: were mentioning where he's on the line. That should have
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: been a shot that we talk about a long time
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: for announcing. Remember that in Cleveland at that nine Honors
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: hit that big three from the corner. That'll kind of
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: get pushed aside because it came in a loss. So
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: those are some numbers that disappoint me a couple things.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna jump around some good, some bad. I
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: mentioned that adjustment for Ohio State in the second half,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: and they got really good at attacking the rim. We
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: mentioned it in our halftime analysis and said, hang on here,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: because they're going to go right at the rim. They're
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: going to try and reverse what the referees were calling.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: West Virginia had a massive free throw advantage in the
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: first half, and we thought they would try and attack
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: West Virginia at the rim. They did just between Tilly
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and by them. Ohio State on the game eleven of
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: fifteen field goals at the rim, eleven of fifteen inside.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: They were really good. It was a season high for
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Ohio State forty eight points classified at the rim. So
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: that's with him just a couple feet of the basket.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: They had a season high end points off cuts to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the basket, where we saw that West Virginia would come
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: for help defense or to block shots, and the Ohio
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: State just did a nice job of finding those baseline
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: cutters off of those the attention that the lane was
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: drawing from West Virginia. They also had a high end
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: season in putbacks off of offensive rebounds, so that's not
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: just straight second chance points. That's specific catch the offensive
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: rebound and put it right back up, not kickouts. So
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: they were high in those those categories as well. A
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: couple things on West Virginia side shot it well from distance. Again,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: that's now three double digit threes collectively for the team,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: three double digit game performances in the last four games,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: so that shooting from multiple guys is starting to come. Obviously,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that's aided by on our huff being blistering hot as well.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Season high end points coming after timeouts. I've continued to
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: say that I think Ross and this staff do a
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: tremendous job of drawing upsets coming out of timeouts. I
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: realized you had some extra timeouts in this game because
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: of the overtime session, so that number should be higher,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: but also really efficient in points after timeout, season high
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: end points from the pick and roll ball handler thought
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: West Virginia was really good. That was Jasper for a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: while who had a really good offensive performance as well
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: as Jasper's game of the season both sides of the ball.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, Honor Huff also in the pick and
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: roll set took advantage as well. You were one point
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: off from a season high points at the rim, So
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: you talk about things if you take different categories and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: if you just wanted one more basket, if chance could
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: have finished one more basket at the rim. He was
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: really aggressive getting there. Jackson Fields went in for one
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: early in the game, and it was early and there
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: was a lot of basketball left. But man, you would
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: have liked that. He goes in for a hammer dunk
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and he was elevating up. I think it was buying him.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Just made an incredible block on him to erase that.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: So Westfordina did that pretty well as well. Let's do
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: some Honor numbers. He's averaging four point one threes per game. Now,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that's the best in the Big Twelve and the second
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: nationally and made threes per game. His just raw number
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: of forty nine leads the country right now. He's eighth
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve in scoring at eighteen points per game,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: and he's behind some dudes. Man to talk about the
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: strength of this league and to show you what kind
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: of early start Honor Is had to this right for
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: a guy moving up from Chattanooga, no question, can that
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: guy play at this level? Yeah? The answers, yes, But
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: look at some of these names he's behind. Is He's
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: eighth in the league in scoring. PJ. Haggerty from Kansas
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: State was the first Team All American last year. You're
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: behind JP toppin pretty good player, defender, defending player of
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the Year in this league. AJ Debonsa Hopey brought him
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: to our attention on this podcast last week. He's really good,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: likely number one pick in the NBA draft coming up.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Christian Anderson preseason All Big Drug. Those are five of
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the guys in front of Honor in the scoring list.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So he's been fantastic. You nearly had, again what I
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: said earlier, one of the great games defensively for the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: West Tradian program over the last few years, and certainly
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of the Ross Hodge era. Some specific numbers. Ohio State
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: came in top five nationally in points per possession in transition.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: West Virginia held them to single digit points in transition,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: their second lowest points per possession of the season in
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: that category. We talked about styles make fights, and that
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: number of points scored ended up to where Ohio State
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: wanted it, but that's normally where they get in a
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: forty minute game. West Virginia controlled that pace all game.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Baseline out of bounds place you want to get in
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the weed top. Here we go in the weeds. Ohio
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: State came into this as one of the best in
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the country, number two nationally in points off possession on
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: baseline out of bounds. They scored sixty percent of the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: time on those sets. West Virginia held them to a
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: nearly season low game in a game that had the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: most opportunities of the year. They had four points off
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: baseline out of bounds. So again, wasn't just one speciicular
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: particular thing slowing them in transition. You were great on
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: baseline out of bounds. How about pick and rolls? Talk
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: about this matchup going into the game. Bruce Thornton came
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: into this as a top seven player nationally in points
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: per possession off the pick and roll. West Virginia was
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: top three percentile nationally in defending the pick and roll.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Which of those were gonna win out? You held Ohio
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: State to the third fewest shot attempts coming from the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: pick and roll. Thornton made a couple of those late
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: with the game on the line, or that would have
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: been their lowest point output of the season. It was
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: still one of Thornton's lowest outputs efficiency wise, when you
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: talk about points per possession. So you wanted to limit
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: his ability to make threes. You wanted to limit him
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: on the pick and roll, and you felt like you'd win.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: You did both of those, which is why it was
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: so disappointing. You did exactly the two things at the
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: top of the scouting report. I'll give you three. Limit
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: his ability on the pick and roll, limit his ability
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to drive right, and limit him from three check, check,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and check. And then those last couple shots he just
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: made big shots at the very end. Might have spent
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: a few minutes on the last podcast on catch and
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: shoot jumpers, Yeah, may have predicted there was some regression coming.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Teams were having too much success on shots that normally
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: don't pan out that way. This was the second fewest
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: on guarded catch and shoots Ohio State has had all season.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: So yet another game where West Virginia did what the
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: numbers tell you have been top fifteen and allowing the
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: fewest on guarded catch and shoots. West Virginian possession position
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: on them almost all of night.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: All night.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Here was the regression that came. Ohio State had zero
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: points from five on guarded catch and shoe jumpers. I
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: missed it came. So again, hop as you start to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: add the things that you needed to have happened to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: get a win, kept saying there's regression coming. Someone's going
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: to miss open shots on West Virgindia. You're not giving
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: up many. When you are, they're making you pay. Ohio
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: State did not make you pay, and yet you didn't
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: come home with the win. Again, categorize it under the disappointments.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Let's look at I.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Think all these numbers are also showing you why everyone
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that was involved, everyone that was involved, those that watch,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: those that listen, those that were playing, and it makes
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it disappointing because you, as easy said, I mean, you
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: control the lead for all but about four or five minutes.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Is that what you said? Five twenty six, you had
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the lead. You had all the statistical stuff going your
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: favor and then you didn't get the result. That's what
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: makes you go when you walk out, they're just sick.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: That's why you categorize it under disappointing. So let's talk
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: just offensively for a second. West Virginia again. If you're
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: trying to look for things hoppy that you can move forward,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: excuse me. If you can pick some of this up
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and take it into the conference season, you're going to
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: be in good shape. You have the most high I
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: means in that shot quality, the most high quality shots
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: that Ohio State's given up all season, you had them.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: You have the most points scored against Ohio State this
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: season on guarded catch and shoots, so you were making
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: tough shots. You had the most points scored on Ohio
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: State this season on dribble jumpers. Honor was really good
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: off the dribble jump You had the most points scored
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: versus Ohio State after timeouts this season, the best points
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: per possession after timeouts against Ohio State this season. I
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: mean you you just go down this list and about
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: every category you wanted to win, you won. Accept the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: result at the end of the game.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: So those are really those are really good numbers, and
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: those are numbers that are encouraging because for the most part,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: you did what you set out to do. It's just
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: a guy makes a play, right, I mean, Thornton is
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: a pro and at the end, the guy makes a
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: play and that was the difference.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's basically that's what it comes down to.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: They made the game winning plays and you didn't. Yeah,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: that's razor thin and that was the result of it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: So really happy for Brett and Laurent to talk about
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: some individual performances for a second. Bevo was outstanding perfect
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: from the field on the night seven of seven. He
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: was three of three from three, eighteen points, seven rebounds,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: four assists, four blocks. That was a performance you wanted
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: below to have a breakout moment. He had that there.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: He was really effective on the pick and roll second
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: most points this season as the role man, and that's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: massive for this offense if you can get the role
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: man working on the pick and roll, and that can
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: either be Jasper as the ball handler or more importantly
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: on aur huff. As you're looking for ways to get
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: him open shots. One of those ways is to put
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: him on the ball and if he can pick and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: roll and if he needs to drop that little pocket
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: pass where you see a guy roll off the pick
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: and he's like at the free throw line and you
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: bounce past that in there and you can make a
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: shot from there. As below died early or distribute down.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: That's something you're looking for moving forward. So can you
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: pick that and move it forward? That would be be tremendous.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I think a couple things if you're looking for areas
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: that you want to improve moving forward at the rim.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Inside stuff was tough both ways for West Virginia. West
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Virginia has to find a way to finish at the
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: rim with a with a higher efficiency. They've just got
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: to be better and stronger at the rim when they go.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: That's one of the things that really jumped out. I'm
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: rolled up right now. Layups, and again the stats were
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: a little wonky at this game, so bear with me
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: if this isn't exact, but it's in the ballpark. West
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Virginia charted is three of twelve from from in layups,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: which is within like three feet of the basket. So
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: those are ones hop you look for a couple little areas.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: That was one if you could finish a couple more
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: at the now he got to the line a lot
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: off a lot of those as well. A lot of
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: those led to free throw attempts. He had a massive
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: advantage early in the free throw market. So that was
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: big two. But that was one area where I'd like
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to see West Virginia just the inside guys and that's
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: four or five different guys take the ball and just
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: frigging hammer the thing go right up through somebody kerchible.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: So that's a work in progress with those guys that'll come.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: You saw them attempt that a lot more the other day.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: And then on the flip side, Ohio State again I
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: mentioned that adjustment. I thought Jake Diebler and that staff
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and that group did a great adjustment in the second
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: where they just started going right at West Virginia, putting
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: those officials in a position to make them call contact.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: And or when West Virginia helped, and I mentioned this,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: dropped the ball off to bind them in particular, who
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: had a season high in points off cuts to the
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  Speaker 4: You know, Tony that that was a big win for
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  Speaker 4: Ohio state because they're coming off that loss to Illinois
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  Speaker 4: and they're like every team, Brad, They're still they're figuring
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you saw his reaction after the game, you
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  Speaker 2: could tell that wasn't a fake reaction. He was he
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  Speaker 2: big fist pumped. There were their schedules, brutal coming up
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  Speaker 2: to they have North Carolina next, and then they're into
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  Speaker 4: So the same things were lamenting were things they're celebrating, like, oh, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: we showed we can come back. We showed when it
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  Speaker 4: a huge win for them, in a huge confidence builder
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  Speaker 4: for them, going full.
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  Speaker 2: One possession difference. Right Otherwise he's sitting up there searching
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: for answers and we're saying all those things about this team.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Can I give you one of a football note that
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: caught my eye this morning?
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  Speaker 1: Oh did you say football?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Football? Those I thought this was interesting. Hope you may
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  Speaker 2: have seen this. Yeah, John Summer's leaving two Lane to
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: go to Florida, correct her. So normally the coach leaves not.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Normally a lot of time coach leaves, you do a
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: social media graphic. Been in honor of a lifetime, to
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: be here, honor of a lifetime, big word. Normally you
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: get that.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: In the old days, hop you would take out a
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  Speaker 2: full page newspaper and thank the fan base for living.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, full page newspaper. You know what you do?
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  Speaker 3: Now? What do you do?
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  Speaker 2: Interesting move some roll donating one hundred K to the
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  Speaker 2: NIL program at two Lane really pretty interesting move to say,
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  Speaker 2: I'm leaving you, appreciate what you did, appreciate being here.
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  Speaker 1: Great touch.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna drop a hundred
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  Speaker 2: You know you're in a tough spot. No, youve got
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  Speaker 2: got a raise. I'm gonna drop a hundred back. I
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  Speaker 2: just wonder if that becomes a thing, if that was
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  Speaker 2: a one off from a guy that just did that
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  Speaker 2: on his own, if other coaches start to follow that.
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  Speaker 1: You don't think Lane's gonna do that? At Ole miss.
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  Speaker 2: Should do that, should do that. I just think that's
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  Speaker 2: that was an interesting touch it. It caught my attention.
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  Speaker 2: It also just you wonder as you as you see
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  Speaker 2: what comes next in college sports, do do schools start
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  Speaker 2: to structure some buyout dollars? Can they structure so some
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  Speaker 2: of the buyout dollars go back in there? Do you
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  Speaker 2: structure it in that part of the buyout is a
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  Speaker 2: donation back to the NIL portion. So you're gonna leave
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  Speaker 2: and your buyout is what it is, what it is,
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  Speaker 2: but a portion of that has to go back into
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  Speaker 2: this fund. Can you do that? Will you do that?
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you have to even ask can
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  Speaker 2: you do it? I'm not sure there's rules anymore purchable
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: on some of that. But it caught my eye that
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: a coach was doing that of his own volition. I
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: wonder on how many other coaches do that moving forward
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  Speaker 2: in too, when schools start to as you're looking for
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: ways to drive more dollars, who's making the most money
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  Speaker 2: in your program? The head football coach? Now when he leaves,
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  Speaker 2: is there a way to recoup some of that and
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  Speaker 2: put it back into the nil coffers? It's a great
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  Speaker 2: to think about it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great visual move but it's also a very
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  Speaker 1: smart move as well. You don't think I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if he's using kindly CPA, but he probably should. But
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  Speaker 1: he is about to get hit with a massive influx
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  Speaker 1: needs to be able to move that income away? What
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: is that? That's a tax deductible donation.
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  Speaker 2: Attorney or a CPA, not that you know what you're talking, No,
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  Speaker 2: but I know Conley would know that.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Conley would know that's a pretty good move. That's a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good move on his part because hey, it's going
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  Speaker 2: This pr wise excellent. I just thought I caught my
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  Speaker 2: attention and just makes me wonder what comes next in
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the world of nil when you're looking for dollars and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: how does that get tied to buyouts? Moving forward to.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Three guys before the game coming up will have textual healing,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: but a sad note, as we learned just before we
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: started to record one of the all time greats in
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: WUVU sports history. And I'm not just going to say
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: football because he became an administrator and was incredibly successful
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: in that world as well. But Garrett Ford has passed away.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: A just tremendous football player at West Virginia University. He
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: really hit so many different things. He was a player,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: came back as a coach, became an administrator, and he
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: was just one of those guys in an era of
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: WVU athletics where everyone stayed right like decades. People were
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: in for decades, and Garrett was one of those guys.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: He became an academic administrator and if the walls could
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: talk in his office of the student athletes that he can,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: we say, change the direction and the course of their lives.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: You could build an endless list. He literally gave guys
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: opportunities and if they didn't accept it, he would make
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: sure they accepted it. Old school and it worked, and
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: he was beloved by those kids, Tony.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: He was a guy that the players could relate to,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: the players players went to when they had an issue,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: and who know how many careers he saved because of
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: his influence. And it's a fascinating story too. And Mountaineer
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: fans have been around for a long long time. I
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: remember this, but he was one of the early black
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: players to come to WVU.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: The first two.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Were Dick Leffridge, who came from Hinton, I think it
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: was Yes Leffidge and Roger Alford. Leffridge was a running
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: back in Alfred was an offensive lineman. They came and
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: they played sixty three sixty five and Garrett Ford went
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: to Damatha and I read that and John Antonik as
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: the historian for all things at WV Athletics. I was
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: reading one of his stories this morning, and a guy
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: named Bob Gunther had played football at WVU and he
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: was living in the DC area and he heard about
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Garrett Ford playing at Damatha and he got Ford on
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: the phone with gene Korum and managed to get Garrett
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Ford to come here for a visit, which at the
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: time Brad was on long trip to get to DC
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: to Morgantown. And that was a tough trend position too,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: because there weren't many.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: There was only a couple of black players.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: There was not a big black community here, and Leffridge
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: and Leftfidge and Alfred showed him around. They took they
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: took him around, and they took them to oce Age
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: where there was a black population and where at the time,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: black players had to go and get their haircut because
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: you couldn't get it in the white downtown, and they
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: took them to White Avenue where black folks lived.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: But Garrett Ford said in an interview that he liked
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: the way he.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Was treated here, that there were white folks, but a
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: lot of poor white folks that could relate to poor
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: black folks. So he came here and had an incredible career,
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: rushed for over two thousand yards, had a one thousand
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: yard rushing season, and in the infamous pit game in
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty I'm looking for the year sixty five sixty five,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: West Virginia beat Pittbred sixty three forty five. He rushed
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: for one hundred and thirty three yards in the second quarter.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: And if you remember, we all knew Garrett he was
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: a big guy, a big guy. Then got drafted, played
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: for the Broncos for a couple of years, and then
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: came back and had the long, long career here. So
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: in the history of WV athletics, a very substantial figure
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: in WV athletics.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Well said by both of you, and you could go back,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: and it's one of the many people in the history
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: of this program that have contributed so mightily to wins
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: that probably don't get the credit for wins. Because you
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: guys mentioned the academic councilor academic side of what Garrett
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: did late in his career at WU. He probably could
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: take academic off the title and just say counselor you
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: mentioned the relationships with players. So the number of guys
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: that he not only helped on the academic side, but
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: also on the personal side. Is to fit in and
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: to adjust to a different culture and climate and how
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: it was and just was was integral in the success
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: of this program for a long long time, not only
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: as a player, but then as an administrator as well.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: And certainly thinking about wife Thelma and then Garrett Junior,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: who he got to see it at a recent UH
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: three guys before the game tailgate, he stopped by repsolute
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: trailer and we talked to him for a little bit,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: So certainly thinking about them, Garrett was a was a
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: good dude and a massive, massive personality and presence across
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: this athletic department.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: He had, He had the he had the standing in
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: the gravitas to relate to players because when they started
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: into their heartship he could say, wait a minute, when
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: I came here and intel his personal story.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Sure, he absolutely took no crap from anyone, right, I mean,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I don't care how big a kid was, football player, basketball, like,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: totally indifferent to him, just totally indifferent. He could he
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: would old school yeah, and I would have I'm would
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: imagine here that in the next several days you're going
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: to start to see quotes from players that are going
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to say, completely changed the direction of my life because
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: he would just would not let me get a pass.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: And that's that's It's sad that he was a great,
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  Speaker 3: Remember the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you know what you talk about size, right,
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• 44:18
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• 44:24
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  Speaker 4: So when Leftridge and Alfred I was doing the research
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be bringing it to the Star City Post
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  Speaker 4: Office with Dave's incredible Yeah.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: He is a few things going on, all right. First off,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: let's do this. You brought three boxes in before the show.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: What do we got?
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Open the letter there from Tommy Boyce. See what says
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: there's three boxes. I think I know what to them are?
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: You're right? This first one here? These are awesome?
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Those are those are? He gets those from Hawaii, literally
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: brings them in from Hawaii. A holiday poem. When Christmas
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: gets stressful in tenses can be remember the angel on
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the top of your tree, smiling joyfully no matter what. Hey, guys,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Tommy boy Independence wanted to drop off some goodies as
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: always for making us laugh everything West Virginia. Appreciate you guys, especially,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: he likes to listen to as he drives through five states.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Enjoy your goodies. I want to wish y' all Mary Christs.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Tommy, Tommy boy, So that's pineapples. Oh boy,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: and those are those are really rick? You know I
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: got your get your car keys, use your car keys. Oh,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: here he goes, It's made progress. Okay, we'll get back there.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: From the text line, the majority of the major conference
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: TV deals are up between twenty thirty one and thirty five.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: What is the prediction that you feel confident in as
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it relates to restrous, ructury and reshuffling that will take
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: place in this timeframe. I personally feel confident in the
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: expansion of the playoffs to include an extra round and
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: elimination of conference championship games. And as I've watched the
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: last couple of episodes, they can't help but notice that
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Hoppy's captain obvious costume makes him look like j Russell
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Finch from It's a Mad, Mad World. Yeah, I see this,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: say a little bit. I mean, same kind of a hat.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Hey, Tony on the conference issue, and I make a
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: habit I guess person at a certain age, I always
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: read all the obits, and the obits in the New
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: York Times are very well written. Roy Kramer died yes.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Roy Kramer was ninety six years old. Roy Kramer was
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: a successful football coach. But more importantly for this reference,
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: he was the He was a commissioner of the SEC
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: for eleven years, and during his tenure was when the
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: SEC was really when the money started.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: To float to college football.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: And he took over in nineteen I think nineteen ninety.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: I'm going to check here, let me double check this,
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: and during an eleven year period, the amount of money
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: that schools received went from sixteen million. It increased sixfold
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: during that sixfold sixfold. During that time, he also negotiated
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: the first billion dollar deal with CBS.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: So he was he.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Was one of the primary individuals that helped engineer the
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: huge financial gains that occurred in college football starting at
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: about nineteen ninety.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Right, he You want to know my interaction with Roy Kramer. Yes,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: so I was doing Tennessee Alabama back in the day.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: That was mutual Radio Westward one radio game of the
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Week and the booth in Tennessee was massive, and Roy
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Kramer walked in CC boss he said, is Keith Jackson
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: in here? Because Keith Jackson was doing the game on TV.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I said, no, next booth over all right, thank you,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: that was my Roy Kramer.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Oh you did meet him though, yeah.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: You know who knew him.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: You know who knew him very well was Dwight Wallace.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Oh really yeah from their coaching circle days. Yeah. So yeah,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: here's what I think to answer your question, Pete, what's
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: the one guarantee when it comes to the reshuffling the
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: next time these deals are done. I think one of
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: the big one of the new big players will be
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: a network that right now is not considered a big player.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit in the last
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: show TNT TBS. The way that they're producing games, they're
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: positioning themselves to take a major They want a major
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: piece of this, and so I think that's one of
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the things that's going to happen.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I'm with Pete. I said it last week. I think
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: if you listen to the narrative from national people, particularly
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: on one particular network that has a lot of conference
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: championshi games, I don't know how you can think that
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: conference championship games are going to continue. There's a lot
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: of heat on conference championship games, and I think it
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: sets up a narrative that allows those to go away
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: while adding more to the playoffs and replacing the dollars
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: there that this feels to me, I've said it for
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: a couple of years. It feels like conference championship games
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: are on their way out. Then you end up like
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: something like the ACC did I don't know how they
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: do their tie breakers. That was a wild way to
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: do it. But Miami's sitting out there not even playing
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: for a title, and Duke upsets the Apple Car. It's
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: a mess that feels like that. If I'm with Peede
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: on that, I've said it for a while now, I
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: think those are going away.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Well, think about this BYU would have been much better
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: served if it didn't play in the Big twelve championship today.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Say in the playoff rules that you're not affected by
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: the conference championship game.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: This is, by the way, sometimes I exaggerate.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: I went nineteen Thirti's voice that we do you did.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: But sometimes I exaggerate about the size of things. But
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: you can say I'm not exaggerating. This is the all
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: time all timer of all timers.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Gosh, are you that's that was one of the Tommy
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Boy gifts?
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: A couple things one those probably are available at Gomart, right, can.
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: You get that?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can buy this at ye as.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: First reported on this program. I told you Big Candy
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: was pushing kit Kats over the last couple of years,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: No question KitKat has has moved into favor with Big Candy.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: But in terms of quantity and size, Kercheval, Wow, those
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: are two.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: There's two eight ounce the half pound recy cups in that, baby.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, sign me up. You're not gonna open up
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: the bottom one.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I've had so much trouble on the first one, I
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: thought I needed to get back for this. I'll go
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: in a minute.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Phil Wrights in Guys. I initially agreed with Hoppy about
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: his views on bowl games and playing for a bowl championship.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I can remember here comes an old guy ran. He said,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: when bowls were special. One of my fondest sixty nine
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Peach Bowl West Virginia installed the wishbone ran for over
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: three hundred seventy five peach ball. Scott McDonald TD. Times
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: have changed too many bulls. Used to be an eight
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: and three team might not even go to a bowl.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Now six and six you're in. We shouldn't reward mediocrity. Also,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: players skipping bulls to prepare for the draft. End of
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the portal has diminished the game. So hoppy. I'm gonna
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: follow the wise advice of Doctor Seuss. Don't cry because
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: it's over, Smile because it happened. Thanks for the entertainment,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: and I can't wait to get my popcorn. Signed by
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Phil Phil our.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Elves In that couple notes, as we get ready to
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: begin our national radio on Bowl games, can't wait tomorrow,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: line up Jacksonville State and Troy. You keep into preparation,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: can't wait. Give me more balls, give me more games.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: That's you know, my stance on I just want more games. However,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: there is more games. We pine for nine months for
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: more college football. Give me these more games. But one
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: quick Bowl note always a West Virginia connection. West Virginia
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: South Carolina played in the ninety five Carquest Bowl against
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: South Carolina. Quarterback of that game, Steve Tannehill. Multiple reports
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: out this morning he has passed away today. Really, Age
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: gets said fifty two.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: He had the head. He was one of the first
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: guys that had the hair coming out of the back
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: of his helmet.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure most West na fans will remember.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely they will. Yeah. Correction from our last show,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: when Hopey did his soccer recap Orlando City, South Carolina
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: instead of Orlando City, South Carolina, Florida. There was sc
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: was Soccer Club, not South Carolina. Orlando City is the
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: and we had several people right Orlando City. My apologies
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Orlando City Soccer Club which is in Florida. Okay, yeah,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: a couple of Mountaineers have played there through the years.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Through the years, Hey, Tony, A couple of shows ago,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: you wore a sixties style West Virginia sweater. I was
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: digging through some stuff in my basement. I found the
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: beanie that all freshmen in the sixties were required to
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: wear at West Virginia. They'd have to wear them until
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: the first football game of the season was over. This
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: would have completed your sixties wardrobe, which brought back memories
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: to my own days. Is hoppy gosh, they would have
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: to wear those. That's a hell of a deal. And
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: look it is you would wear that one.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I think I would wear one of those.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Well, why doesn't Phil get those generated again?
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Hats? Those kind of hats earns Big Phil do hats? Yeah,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: some occasionally lo hats.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: The original name of kit Cat excuse me, I'll be
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: right back was Round Trees Chocolate crisp oh yeah, nineteen
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: thirty five. Enjoy the delicious taste of Round Trees chocolate crisp.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: It's delicious.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is amazing. The kick cat box amazing. Tony
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Brad and Fellas. Tony Brad and the Fellas for the
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: game in Cleveland. We got our picture made. The gentlemen
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: graciously shared their time with three regular listeners, Ted and Warrington,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: also known as the train Guy Pepperoni prints in Fairfax, Virginia,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: and Dave from the North Coast, a local for the game.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Thanks while you do there, yo, hop Ted. Now, Ted's
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: in the blue and he is and he's the guy
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: that when I said we should have more trains in
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: the United States like they do in Europe, he pointed
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: out that it basically it wouldn't work in the United States.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: One of the industries that he's offended trained guys. Although
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Ted was very good, he didn't take personal offense to that.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: There wasn't a There was an accountant in the group
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: there with us that has also been offended by town
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of apologies. To start the.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I said, why the heck can't we
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: have like good national train service? And he pointed out
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: he pointed out why they have it in Europe because
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: everything is so close or and it's it covers the discs.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: It's he made sense. Yeah, yeah, but they were We
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: had fun. We talked with him in the in the
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: lobby there for a little bit. First time Texter born
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: and raised in Bridgeport and now permanent Akron resident sitting
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: in about three rows behind you guys to the left.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: During the Ohio State game has been the most stressful
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: game I've watched West Virginia playing years. Every time we
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: see them in Cleveland, they go, oh t this is
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: crazy defense. Awesome. We forgot to how to finish in
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the second half. Glad they kept Thornton and check your
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: guys analysis of what to expect was spot on. Keep
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: up the great work, Texter. Is it time to think
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: about starting Chance more and bringing Trace and Eagle Staff
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: off of the bench. It may help him. At this
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: point he was playing about twenty minutes a game. It
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be a top scorer, but was not
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: on the floor late. I think everything is in play
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: at this point.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Ross's nothing nothing set in stone. I
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: will say this about Trey is he would had been coming.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: You saw the threes the night before, and just demeanor
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: wise as you watch him play early in that game
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: against Ohio State, man, it's exactly what you wanted to see.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: He wasn't just getting good looks, in which he got
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: a ton of them. He was aggressive with the ball.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: That was a guy that was confident offensively and going
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: to the basket and pulling up in his threes. There
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: was no thought about him. He just couldn't get him
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: to drop. I was one of those that they just
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: didn't fall. And yeah, so that's still a work in progress.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: But man, I loved his demeanor early in that game.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: You would have loved that's one of those hot shooters.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Get a couple to fall early and it changes the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: whole tenor of the game. And I felt like, just
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: from a if you took results out for a second
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: and watched how he was approaching the offensive end, it's
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: right where you wanted to be and got some great
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: looks early, just couldn't get him to drop.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I just think with Trason, it's he's going
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: to shoot the ball better. I think statistically, if you
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: just take a look at his numbers through his career,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: he is a much better shooter. Than he's showing. And
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I do think obviously he is in a big funk
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: right now, but I think over time shots will start
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: to go down for him. The body of proof is
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: that he can shoot the ball. And I just still think,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: like we've said many times, he is still in a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: period of adjustment and we thought potentially it might happen.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: You didn't know how long it was going to take.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: I still think he's going to have more good than
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: bad as the season goes on.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's coming. I mean it's coming. The last couple
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: of games you'd seen it. You'd seen it coming along.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: So was there a Mike Gamsey sighting he was just
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: coming back from Australia.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Traded text with him but did not get a chance
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: to see it.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just coming back from Australia. Texter. Such a heartbreaking
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: loss for the guys. I worry with the Clemson loss
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: now this one. Will the team's psyche be that they
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: can't actually win close games. I hope it doesn't linger
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: in their minds because league play is going to have
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: lots of close games. PS. Honor Huff has range that
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: starts at about the Gomart and Ripley. Amen, he can
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: hit it from there. Hey, guys, West Virginia gave up
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: forty one to the second half versus Ohio State, forty
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: one against Wake, forty two against Xavier, forty five against Clemson.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Is West Virginia unable to make adjustments to the other
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: team's adjustments, Shawn and Washington State? Well, yeah, those numbers
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: obviously are just too high and it's a process. They're
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: not I mean, just it's not done yet. They'll get
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: better as the season goes on.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not ready to make that statement yet. I
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: will credit all those teams did a great job with
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: what they did differently in the second half. And sometimes
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: that happens, guys, when you're down big at halftime, as
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Clemson and Ohio State, where it forces changes, right, It
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: forces you to play in desperation mode. And I think
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: you saw both of those teams do that and it
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: did get them back in the game. So credit that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: West Virginia just in both those cases, just has to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: go ahead and match that desperation even though you're in
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: the lead, and stick them right where they stand. We
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: talked about that Tony on the broadcast. When West Virginia
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: got up sixteen hop we said all right, this is
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: your mode, this is the game is coming right here.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: They're gonna make a run. They're gonna go right at you.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: They've got nothing to lose. Now, they're getting run out
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: of this gym, and they're gonna make some changes. So
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: either they're going to go on a run and get
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: themselves back in this game, or you're going to stop
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: that run, and that might be ballgame. And we know
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: they went on a seven zero run immediately after we
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: came out of that timeout. So West Virginia again has
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: to get to the point where it just stops those runs.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah and makes more shots.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you had you had your you had your foot,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: they were on the ground, land flat, You had your
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: foot over their throat. And now what's going to happen.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Either the person on the ground is going to push
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: your leg away and stand back up, or you're going
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: to be able to push your foot down on their
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: throat and choke them out. West Virginia up sixteen, needed
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: to hit two more threes, needed to score five or
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: six more points in a row.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: And then the thing stops.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: The thing goes away and you're back up there, and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: then you go in a cot me.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: I'll go back to my number, and I told you
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: twenty four percent from the thirteenth from the fourteenth minute
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: mark on. But here's how it went, Brad miss three
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: point miss, three point miss miss three point miss, make
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: miss miss miss miss miss miss make.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: So when yeah, I.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Say was making a run, an answers, you know, answering
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: answer or But again, it's all all interconnected because the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: defense could have got a couple stops for a couple
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: turnovers and you go the other way and maybe one
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: of those threes doesn't have to be a three.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: It's a layup because you just got to steal at
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: the mid court. So both of those things, and I
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: know you're talking offense there, and that's right, a couple
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: more would help. But you also needed a couple more
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: stops defensively as they're going on a seven to zero
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: run and taking it straight at you because they're like,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: this is the game we got to go now, we're
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: in desperation mode.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Ran from Charleston also bringing up letting Leeds go in
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: the second half? Does this result? Does this a result
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: of in game coaching adjustments? Lack of experience amongst our
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  Speaker 1: players at this level seems like a lot of guys
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  Speaker 1: disappeared in the second half against Ohio State. Thank you again.
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  Speaker 1: Process process, and it hasn't they haven't reached that point yet,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's closer than it is farther away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do not think it's adjustments because I'll
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  Speaker 2: say this again, you're a one play in each of
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  Speaker 2: those games from this being the flipped result, and we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about how great West Virginia is it finishing off
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: really good opponents in the game. Right, It's it's literally
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  Speaker 2: a play in each game, and the entire narrative flips
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  Speaker 2: and we're not asking questions about in game adjustments or
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  Speaker 2: what players can do differently. So you're right there. You
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  Speaker 2: just got to keep coming and get the result, and
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: then that narrative changes pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Josh and Mason. West Virginia also same kind of a
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: deal second half adjustments. Tony mentioned Ohio State being fatigued late,
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  Speaker 1: so it doesn't seem to be a conditioning problem. What
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  Speaker 1: is the blame for these collapses? Well, you stopped making shots,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: and they, like Brad said, they changed their style, put
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  Speaker 1: their head down, got to the rim, got to the
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  Speaker 1: foul line, made free throws. Now that's one of the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: biggest things. Their free throw shooting was just off the
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  Speaker 1: chart good. And they made them, they made them, they
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: made them count Texter. I watched the Heisman Trophy presentation,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: saw Kurt Signetti say a few words plan on watching
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: sixty minutes Peace on Indiana. I did a search which
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  Speaker 1: indicates West Virginia has never pursued Signetti. He was raised
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: in Morgantown. Was our QB for crying out loud? Possibly
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: you guys could share any thoughts or stories on West
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  Speaker 1: Virginia's past activities related to Kurt. I don't know any
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Here's my thought and maybe John Antona can help me
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  Speaker 1: with this. Well, here here's my thought. Why his name
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  Speaker 1: has never come into play when the job was open, right,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: The reality of it is, Yeah, he was here, and
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: he graduated here. His dad was fired from here, his
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: dad was fired from here while he was undergoing cancer treatment.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I would think that he has less than a favorable
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: disposition about that whole situation. His name never has come up.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: He's not when Don Neelan left, all the way through
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Dana and Neil and Rich now the second time I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: mean that I'm sure did not go over.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've all been here a long time. That's that's
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  Speaker 2: never a name that I have heard talked about of. Hey,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: you know who was in touch. You know who stopped
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: in today to say hi. Kurtzinnetti was in town today,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: stopped by the offices. The audens were rich was. I mean,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys that had left that were
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Kurt was never one of those guys. I think you're
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: probably right around that number one, number two. Frankly, nobody
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: pursued Kurt Signetti. This is one of the all time
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: unbelievable stories in college coaching. Dud was in his late
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: sixties at James Madison. This wasn't somebody that had, despite
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: success previously at some stops, did not have programs knocking
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: down his door. And I mean, I don't mean this
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: in our joking with all due respect. The fact that
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: he would accept the Indiana job shows you what he
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: thought about potential opportunities moving forward. He'd won a lot
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: at James Madison, obviously had some great players that he's
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: taken Indiana. If he thought there were other opportunities coming
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: at his age, he would awaited and passed on one
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: of the worst college football jobs in the history of
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: college football, but he did not hop right. He took
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: that job, probably figuring I don't have a lot of
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: options moving forward at my age, and there's not a
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: lot of opportunities coming along. I'm going to take this now.
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  Speaker 2: All credit in the world for him for what he
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: he's done for those two years. It has been as
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: good at two years as you've seen anywhere. Bill Snyder
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  Speaker 2: included right, two playoff bursts at a Heisman Trophy winner
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: at that football program. Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 4: So?
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  Speaker 2: It's an unbelievable performance. But it wasn't just West Virginia
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: not pursuing him. There wasn't anybody pursuing him as far
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: as I know.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know a lot of times when those jobs,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: when these jobs do open, I mean, there needs to
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: be also a wave of the hand from an agent
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: contacting West Virginia saying, hey, so and so is interested
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: in this vision. I've never heard his name.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: I haven't either, And there's timing issues as well.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: But also never mind the call when the job opens.
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  Speaker 2: Those calls from the agents usually come well before and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: next time you have a search open, my guy would
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: keep keep my guy in mind here. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that I ever heard that either.
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  Speaker 3: No, never came across Ao Diego Povius tweet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He since pulled it back and he apologized.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever. Whatever, man, guy that's fought his whole life. He's
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: always always feels it's him against somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: I get it.
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  Speaker 2: Part of that attitudes puts made him into a player
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  Speaker 2: that no one thought he could become. So is what
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  Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, Livelon, he apologize.
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