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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, April 28 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, April. This is Jaguars Happy Hour, and now
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Speaker 1: a guy who believes the best way to navigate a
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Speaker 1: draft is to wear a lovely cozy blue sweater, J P.
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Speaker 1: Shack looking at Jaguars Happy Hour on this Thursday. It
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Speaker 1: is Draft Nights in Duval. My name's J. P. Shadrick.
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Speaker 1: Glad you're along with us. We're live at Daily's Place,
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Speaker 1: getting ready for the first round of the NFL Draft,
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Speaker 1: and we have a busy program to night here on
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Speaker 1: Tintin x l a M, Jaguars dot com, and the
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Speaker 1: Jack's social channels Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube. Jaguars analyst Jeff
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Speaker 1: Blagman is always with us. NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks
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Speaker 1: is on site with us throughout the draft. We stole
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Speaker 1: him away. He's here. We're gonna pick his brain all
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Speaker 1: weekend long with this draft preview and we will hear
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Speaker 1: from general manager Trent and Bulky. We had a Draft
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Speaker 1: day conversation in the Jaguars Draft room at the Bank
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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. Gentlemen, welcome in and happy Draft
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Speaker 1: Day Live. Yeah, thank you, and it's great to have
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Speaker 1: Bucky alongside. We're gonna have a little bit of conversation
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Speaker 1: there about some draft picks. We're gonna get some answers
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Speaker 1: out of you guys about answers. We're picking Buckey Sprain
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Speaker 1: for weeks on the Huddle Up podcast, and now it
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Speaker 1: comes down to the night. Now I'm really exciting, man,
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Speaker 1: It's really exciting. Time you have the number one overall pick.
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Speaker 1: You have a chance to kind of change the fortunes
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Speaker 1: of the franchise if you get the pick right. It's
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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure if did you You guys remember
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Speaker 1: a draft like this where you're just you're going in
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Speaker 1: and there's really not really a known entity that's gonna
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Speaker 1: be the first overall draft pick. I mean, I say,
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Speaker 1: going back to what the Baker Mayfield draft, that just
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Speaker 1: the last time you can think about that where everyone
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Speaker 1: was guessing on who was going to be the number one,
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Speaker 1: but no one real, no one really knows. Only by
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Speaker 1: this time of the day you gotta have a sense
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Speaker 1: it's kind of leaked out on Twitter who's gonna be
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Speaker 1: the guy And we haven't heard that yet. No leaking. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean we're we'll hear from Balky coming up. I
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Speaker 1: think linked with you a little bit. No, no, no,
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Speaker 1: he said, they were down to one, so they've got that.
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Speaker 1: That's good. You didn't say which one. He wrote it
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Speaker 1: down on a piece of paper and gave it a
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Speaker 1: JP later. I don't even want to know. I'll be
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Speaker 1: quite honest with you. But let's hear from General manager
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Speaker 1: Trent Balky. We caught up a little earlier today in
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars draft room here at t I A. Bank Field,
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Speaker 1: his second draft with the Jacksonville Jaguars. They're ready to
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Speaker 1: make a picko. NFL Draft is here. J P. Shadrick
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Speaker 1: with General Manager Trent Balky in the draft room at
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Speaker 1: t I A A. Bank Field. Are you excited? What's
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Speaker 1: the GM feel on draft day? Hopefully relief? You know it.
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Speaker 1: We're excited. Obviously a lot of works gone into this.
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Speaker 1: Scouting staff, personnel staff, put in a lot of time
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Speaker 1: and here we are, you know, on the eve of
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Speaker 1: the pick, and uh, I think we're I know, we're
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Speaker 1: prepared for it. Take us through your checklist on draft day?
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Speaker 1: What all do you do? What's your routine? You've done
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Speaker 1: this a number of times obviously in San Francisco and
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Speaker 1: now your second time here. What's your checklist? Well, we
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Speaker 1: had our final meeting yesterday, you know, with ownership, and
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Speaker 1: that went extremely well. You know, now it's just waiting
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Speaker 1: for the eight o'clock to come here. You know usually
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Speaker 1: what I do now is I'll get away from it.
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Speaker 1: I'll take my run. I'm gonna go on a nice
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Speaker 1: long run here, get get my mind right, and then
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Speaker 1: come back. Try to be in the building around five
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Speaker 1: o'clock and get ready for eight o'clock. Tell us what
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Speaker 1: you can about that final meeting with ownership, shot con in,
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson, yourself, what happens and how do you guys
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Speaker 1: narrow it down? You said you were down to four
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Speaker 1: last week. How do you get the number one? Well,
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Speaker 1: we've been working that way for for a while now.
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Speaker 1: And you know, when Shod got this all together, you
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Speaker 1: talked about a couple of things, but you know, a
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Speaker 1: collaborative effort and transparency, and yesterday's meeting was just to
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Speaker 1: make sure that that was exactly what was taking place.
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Speaker 1: And uh, this has been a very collaborative effort. There's
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Speaker 1: been a lot of people involved, from the personnel side,
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Speaker 1: from the coaching side, and even ownership, and that's the
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Speaker 1: way it should be. And we're just looking forward to
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Speaker 1: the draft and making the picks. How does the US
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Speaker 1: number one top of a draft compared to some others
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Speaker 1: in the past. To you, it feels like, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you read mocks or not. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of mocks out there, have different names everywhere. It seemed
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Speaker 1: a little abnormal. Usually there's a slam dunk guy at
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Speaker 1: number one. How different is this year? I don't like
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Speaker 1: to compare drafts. You live in the moment and the
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Speaker 1: moment we're in now, this is this is the draft.
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Speaker 1: These are the available players, and you do everything you
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Speaker 1: can to find the right players for this organization, for
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Speaker 1: your own organization, and then you go to work and
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Speaker 1: and and you make them right. At what point do
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Speaker 1: you make final calls to prospects wellness checks? Do you
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Speaker 1: do anything like that on draft Day? Is that all done?
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Speaker 1: Have you put a bow in this thing? Yeah? The
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Speaker 1: draft the skelet sets. What they've been working on the
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Speaker 1: early part of this week is calling all the agents,
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Speaker 1: calling all the prospects on the board, making sure we
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Speaker 1: verified their phone numbers and and that they're healthy and
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Speaker 1: ready to go. Finally, um, you know, twelve picks over
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Speaker 1: three days. I don't know if a GM likes that
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Speaker 1: or not. That's a lot to handle over the next
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Speaker 1: three days. But what is a successful day for the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars today at the end of the day and a
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Speaker 1: successful weekend meet, Well, I think you just go into it.
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Speaker 1: You never know what's gonna happen. Obviously we know what's
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Speaker 1: gonna happen at one, and then from that point on
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Speaker 1: you really don't know what's gonna happen. So you follow
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Speaker 1: the board, You trust the board. You put yourself in
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Speaker 1: a position to move up if you feel you need
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Speaker 1: to move up, and you put yourself in a position
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Speaker 1: when it when the board dictates to move back if
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Speaker 1: you can. But you always have to be ready, ready
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Speaker 1: and willing to make the pick because you don't know
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Speaker 1: if you can move up, and you don't know if
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Speaker 1: you can move back, so you're you just you always
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Speaker 1: have to be prepared. That's trimp Lucky Jaguars general manager
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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier today, we think looks. I think
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Speaker 1: the comment that he made there at the very end
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Speaker 1: is very talent that you move back if you can,
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Speaker 1: and I think that they would love to move back
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Speaker 1: from number one. But the problem is that there's no
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Speaker 1: clear cut number one. If there was, then this team
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Speaker 1: will be in a perfect position to maybe trade that
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Speaker 1: pick if there was a quarterback sitting there, and then
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Speaker 1: get a hall of picks in the future and now,
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Speaker 1: and then maybe get one of those top four guys
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Speaker 1: that you like. Yeah, it's all about the quarterback. Normally,
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Speaker 1: when you're moving up at someone that is a transcendent talent,
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Speaker 1: someone that multiple teams would love to get, and right
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Speaker 1: now you just don't have that interest because the quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: aren't what they've been in previous classes. So even though
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Speaker 1: Trends is like to talk about previous classes, is one
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Speaker 1: of the reasons why they hadn't been a lot of
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Speaker 1: trade interests. I think it was also interesting that he
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Speaker 1: talked about you. You were talking about talking to the
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Speaker 1: prospects and etcetera. I remember when I was a draft
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Speaker 1: eligible player, man I had the phone didn't stop ringing
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Speaker 1: the day before the draft and the day of the draft.
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Speaker 1: Do you happen to know why j P just to
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Speaker 1: make sure you're not in trouble, to make sure you
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Speaker 1: didn't get hit by mac truck. Seriously, to make sure
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Speaker 1: you were still alive and healthy and you know, ready
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Speaker 1: to go, because seriously, they would call you up and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: how you doing, how you feeling everything okay? And it
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Speaker 1: was you were sitting there just you know, thinking yourself
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Speaker 1: out loud, going in there, just trying to find out
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Speaker 1: that I'm breathing. That's that's really it. As a scout,
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Speaker 1: your job, My job leading up to the draft is
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Speaker 1: to make sure I call everybody on the list, make
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Speaker 1: sure I get multiple numbers, their primary number, backup number,
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Speaker 1: see if they're healthiest. Stuff, because you want to make
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Speaker 1: sure when the pick goes in, you want to be
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Speaker 1: able to talk to him before you officially submit to pick.
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Speaker 1: About the thought of the meeting last night, Jaguar's owner
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Speaker 1: Shot con came in. I wanted to as Trent Bak.
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Speaker 1: He said, see that collaborative and open effort together, and
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Speaker 1: they've apparently come down to one player they're gonna pick. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because once the player is picked, he's a Jaguar and
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Speaker 1: everybody in the building has to support him and make
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Speaker 1: sure that he has given everything that he needs to
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Speaker 1: be successful. From a coaching standpoint, that's put him in
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Speaker 1: the rights position making sure the scheme is conducive to
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Speaker 1: his talents. From a personnel standpoint, a once we own
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Speaker 1: whoever we decided to pick. We got to make sure
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Speaker 1: that everything that comes out of the building is positive
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Speaker 1: about this pick. In the process. I think that this
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Speaker 1: is is just uh kind of a sign because you know,
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Speaker 1: there's been collaborative meetings with ownership all along through this process.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think Sean Conn has spent more time
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Speaker 1: in the building this year than he has in recent
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Speaker 1: years from from what I understand. And so, look, the
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Speaker 1: reality is this final meeting. If if shand Khan goes, hey,
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Speaker 1: look we're drafting player X. Guess which player they're drafting.
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Speaker 1: They're drafting player X. I mean he's the owner. He's
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Speaker 1: the one that can has the ultimate decision. We'll say
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Speaker 1: that's really never been his style though he kind of
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Speaker 1: lets the football people do football things. He can have
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Speaker 1: obviously has input when he wants to have input, but
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Speaker 1: he's never really been that, you know, we're picking this guy,
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Speaker 1: come hell or high water. No, I know, I don't
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Speaker 1: think he ever has. But I mean, at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, I mean, when you have next to
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Speaker 1: your name, you know, job description, it says, oh that
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Speaker 1: gives you that. I guess, so do you need another title? No?
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Speaker 1: Just owner is good enough. Yeah. Yeah, it's Jaguars Happy
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Speaker 1: Hour x L a M. And Jaguars dot Com, JP Shaddick,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Loghum and Bucky Brooks ahead of the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1: There is some mother football business going on today with
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars. By the way, Josh Allen received the fifth
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Speaker 1: year option today. The deadline was made second, So that's
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Speaker 1: another year for a former first round pick. And you know,
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Speaker 1: it goes to the what the organization has talked about
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Speaker 1: you and they haven't done a lot the last ten
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Speaker 1: fifteen years, is get your draft picks, keep them in
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Speaker 1: the building as long as you can, and then resign them.
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Speaker 1: The resigning parts still to come for Allen, but the
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Speaker 1: fifth year option is big to kind of set the
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Speaker 1: tone I think on defense. It means from an internal
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Speaker 1: standpoint that they feel good enough about what he's put
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Speaker 1: on the first three years to say, Okay, we definitely
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Speaker 1: want to keep this marriage going into the fifth year
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Speaker 1: and possibly be beyond we have seen in previous years
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Speaker 1: sometimes people are unable to get that fifth year option.
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Speaker 1: So that bowls well for Josh Allen getting a large
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Speaker 1: term extension. It also bowls well from the Jaguar standpoint
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Speaker 1: that they drafted a player at the top of the
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Speaker 1: board who has played up to the standard expectation that
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Speaker 1: comes along with being the first round pick. But the
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Speaker 1: one the one thing I will say with Josh from
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Speaker 1: from a negative stamp point is that he has not
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Speaker 1: been available at times. That's okay, So I think that
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Speaker 1: kind of maybe impacted the lateness of this decision because
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Speaker 1: from a talent standpoint, Josh Allen being you know, have
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Speaker 1: that fifth year picked up, that's a no brainer. But
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Speaker 1: you would like to see the consistency and production a
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Speaker 1: little bit more with Josh, and I think that that
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Speaker 1: will come. There's also been reports that Cam Robinson has
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Speaker 1: agreed to an extension three year deal fifty four million dollars.
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Speaker 1: That's the report, no official word from the team yet
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Speaker 1: hasn't signed the deal, but when he does, there you go,
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Speaker 1: does that change anything tonight for you? Well? I think
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Speaker 1: this is an interesting conversation here because Bucky, this not
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Speaker 1: only involves is the contract right for Cam Robinson? Okay,
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Speaker 1: you're happy with that number, but then it also kind
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Speaker 1: of ventures over to draft talk. Okay, now that Cam
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Speaker 1: Robinson has or reportedly has this three year extension, does
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Speaker 1: that prohibit the Jaguars from looking at the top two
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Speaker 1: rated offensive lineman. And and I don't know exactly what
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Speaker 1: lucky S thoughts are on this, but I love the
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Speaker 1: guy in North Carolina State, Oh, I absolutely love him.
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Speaker 1: And I love what Douck has said about the number
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Speaker 1: one pick. We gotta get the number one pick right,
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Speaker 1: No more pick has to start. He has to be
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Speaker 1: a starter with the one thing that we know about
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Speaker 1: Ikey Kanu, Ikey Kuan is versatile enough to move inside
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Speaker 1: and play guard. So to me, I think it's a
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Speaker 1: no brain if he's available, if you really want to
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Speaker 1: fortify the offensive line, and if you look at the
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Speaker 1: moves that have been made throughout the off season, it's
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Speaker 1: about making sure that the quarterback has enough help. Will
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Speaker 1: you help him by being able to bring another big
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Speaker 1: body that really creates a fortress but also allows the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars to run the football Alas takes first sure off.
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Speaker 1: Trevor R. You know, if you go back a couple
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Speaker 1: of years ago and you redrafted the Quenton Nelson draft,
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Speaker 1: if Quinton Nelson were drafted number one overall, would you
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Speaker 1: even think twice about it? Now? Absolutely not? And I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying that quantu Is is at that level. But
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Speaker 1: I think he's that kind of an athlete. He has
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Speaker 1: that kind of power and obviously he's a very intelligent guy.
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Speaker 1: Uh didn't he like accepted to Harvard. He's super super some. Yeah, He'sian.
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Speaker 1: He's a guy who explain that to j P. So
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Speaker 1: So when you so, when you think about what he offers,
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Speaker 1: I think it's a no brainer because worst case, you
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Speaker 1: can put him in right techn guard. You can move
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Speaker 1: him around to make sure that it is right. Ultimately,
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Speaker 1: when you think about how Doug Peterson won a Super Bowl,
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Speaker 1: he wanted with the best offensive line in football doing
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Speaker 1: what they do control in the church. I love the
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Speaker 1: way he's he's got a little nasty to him. He's
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Speaker 1: got power, he's got finished and he's a six ft
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Speaker 1: four guy. So if he were to play left tackle, okay,
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Speaker 1: he would compare to the guy in Houston. If he
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Speaker 1: were to play guard, okay, six four is considered a
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Speaker 1: good size for guard, I mean so, and he would
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Speaker 1: be an immediate starter without question. Wow, how about Evan Neil.
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Speaker 1: He's out of the conversation, but this is I'd love
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Speaker 1: to get Buckey's thoughts on this. I know you guys
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Speaker 1: have talked about it from from my standpoint. Under your
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Speaker 1: he's got all the measurables. Okay, he's been getting at times,
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Speaker 1: he's been overweight and but uh, anyway, he's on the
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Speaker 1: ground a lot, and I don't think he's a I
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Speaker 1: don't know if he's as much of a good of
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Speaker 1: an athlete as Cam Robinson. And the reason I say
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Speaker 1: that is that, look, how many years did Cam Robinson
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Speaker 1: started at left tackle at University of Alabama? It was
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Speaker 1: multiple years, okay, and Neil was a one year guy.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to I mean, look, would you
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Speaker 1: question Nick Saban and his ability to figure out who
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Speaker 1: the best left left tackles are. I mean, when he's
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Speaker 1: got a guy who's had to move around a little
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Speaker 1: bit um And I'm not saying that that's the number
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Speaker 1: one indicator, but just when you watch it on film,
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's an athletic at times, but he's
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Speaker 1: got great technique. I think there are two things in
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Speaker 1: the comparison a Quanto and Neil. The technique. Neil is
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Speaker 1: superior in technique, but in terms of physicality and nastiness,
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Speaker 1: a quantu plays the game in a way that it
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Speaker 1: changes the way your entire offensive line does because Jeff,
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Speaker 1: we'll talk to when you're in those rooms and you
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Speaker 1: see people hitting and knocking people around, it makes other
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Speaker 1: people want to kind of jump in, and it changes
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Speaker 1: the tenor of your offense. And so a quant who
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Speaker 1: comes in and brings that, with the athleticism, with the
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Speaker 1: other stuff that you can potentially be on the inside.
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Speaker 1: And it's not saying that Neil isn't worthy of being
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Speaker 1: in the conversation, but if you have a preference, the
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Speaker 1: sc state kick gives you that nastiness that you have
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Speaker 1: to have, particularly in a rugged a f C. If
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Speaker 1: you if you look at the numbers, the measurable as
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Speaker 1: you know, the combined height, weight, speed, all that kind
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Speaker 1: of stuff. Size, don't forget hand size, I mean for quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: that's everything right. Neil would be your your your pick,
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Speaker 1: I mean, because he's got that, you know, the height,
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Speaker 1: weight and everything looks perfect, whereas Ikey's a little bit smaller,
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Speaker 1: not quite as heavy. And in today's game a lot
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Speaker 1: of guys and general managers are caught up about size.
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Speaker 1: We are at the two dou Vo draft party presented
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Speaker 1: slash Official Draft Party. Parking will be a bit tricky tonight.
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Speaker 1: There's an RV show in lot J. I think there's
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Speaker 1: an Iceman Hockey game tonight. So if you're coming down here,
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Speaker 1: come on earlier. I will tell people this. Just follow
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Speaker 1: the signs. It's it's very well explained when you're coming
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Speaker 1: in the car. I was coming in the car, and
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Speaker 1: there's plenty of signs to indicate where you need to park.
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Speaker 1: Gates open at five o'clock. Up next, more draft talk,
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Speaker 1: Defensive prospects at number one. It's Jaguar's Happy Hour on
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars Digital Network. Absolutely, you could, because if you're
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Speaker 1: investing in Trevor Lawrence, you better invest in people who
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Speaker 1: are gonna keep them up right. Absolutely, But you know,
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Speaker 1: I think you said, got Juwan Taylor there, right, So
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Speaker 1: you just invested in him a couple of years ago
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Speaker 1: as a second rounder who we all thought was going
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Speaker 1: to be a rounder. So you think to yourself, what's
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Speaker 1: the next move. That's why it feels like pass rusher,
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Speaker 1: but they did go offensive lineman. Then that sounds like
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Speaker 1: where we started the whole process, And the whole process
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Speaker 1: started with which offensive line wire Jacksonville take, and then
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Speaker 1: it morphed into the pass rusher. So that's why this
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Speaker 1: year is so exciting for all of us, because it
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Speaker 1: may not be the five quarterbacks of last year, but
16:23
Speaker 1: the uncertainty breads the excitement of this year. Charles Davis
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Speaker 1: Brian Sexton and welcome back. It's Jaguar's Happy Hour from
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Speaker 1: Daily's Place, home of the douvol Draft party. Coming up
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Speaker 1: six o'clock. The festivities begin, eight o'clock the draft begins.
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Speaker 1: Will be here all night long. Good to hear from
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Speaker 1: our good friend Charles Davis there talking offensive line. But
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Speaker 1: then that shifts us over. We've already talked about the
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Speaker 1: two big names. Let's shift back over to defense. And
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Speaker 1: can I real quick into comment in there, because because
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Speaker 1: that Jowan Taylor thing we talked about, still got jan
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Speaker 1: Taylor there right tackle. Last time I checked that, there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be some competition that's right at right tackle. Walker
17:04
Speaker 1: little as there should be competition. Said that, Bucky, it's
17:07
Speaker 1: gonna be a competition, But you know, does the person
17:10
Speaker 1: who come in join that competition. If it's an offensive linement,
17:13
Speaker 1: we should be the goal should be to put the
17:14
Speaker 1: five best offensive linement on the field and figure out
17:17
Speaker 1: the matchups. That's what you go through mini camps and
17:19
Speaker 1: training camp in audit. You start mixing up the combinations
17:22
Speaker 1: because it's a chemistry thing with the offensive line. But
17:25
Speaker 1: do you want to tell you the walk a little
17:26
Speaker 1: wouldn't discourage me from taking it off as deafens up
17:28
Speaker 1: the ball. Let's move along now to some of the
17:31
Speaker 1: potential options on the defensive side of the football and
17:35
Speaker 1: begin with Aidan Hutchinson out of the University of Michigan
17:39
Speaker 1: fourteen sacks a year ago. Broke his leg early in
17:41
Speaker 1: the season but came back. He was a Heisman runner
17:44
Speaker 1: up last year, the defensive player of the Year in
17:47
Speaker 1: the Big Ten, well, unanimous All American. The accolades go
17:51
Speaker 1: on and on and on. Bucky, You're all about this guy,
17:55
Speaker 1: and it's not just the height and wait, it's everything
17:57
Speaker 1: that goes with him on the field. So at the
17:59
Speaker 1: top of the board, typically what you're looking for is
18:01
Speaker 1: a guy with blue chip talent and a blue color mentality.
18:04
Speaker 1: And when you talk to the people around the program
18:06
Speaker 1: in Michigan, they can't say enough good things about how
18:10
Speaker 1: he goes about his business working. Talking to his teammate
18:13
Speaker 1: David Njabo, he said, everything that I learned about playing
18:16
Speaker 1: at a high level came from watching Aidan Hutchinson and
18:19
Speaker 1: being with him. And so when you think about a
18:20
Speaker 1: culture change or someone that's going more to set the tone,
18:23
Speaker 1: this is what he does. Outside of being a really
18:25
Speaker 1: good player, the football character is outstanding. And at the
18:30
Speaker 1: top of the board, we're talking about getting someone that
18:32
Speaker 1: you know exactly what you're getting. There's some certainty with
18:35
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson that I liken that I believe it character, productivity.
18:39
Speaker 1: He's athletic, but he's got arms that are short. That's
18:43
Speaker 1: what he got short, Hey man, he doesn't have that
18:50
Speaker 1: short arms and guy, you watch your play football, he's
18:52
Speaker 1: really good and uh and on top of that, what
18:55
Speaker 1: you talk about about, how he has that that that
18:59
Speaker 1: kind of drive than that he teaches teammates. When you
19:02
Speaker 1: watch him on film, he plays every down. He's not
19:06
Speaker 1: a guy that turns it on when he's a pass rusher. Okay,
19:09
Speaker 1: he's a guy that plays the rundowns just as hard
19:12
Speaker 1: he and then he plays them just as good. He's stout,
19:16
Speaker 1: he can stuff guys in the hole, he can get
19:19
Speaker 1: around guys. Is he a super freak athletic guy like
19:23
Speaker 1: a Miles Garrett. No, okay, he's not that. But the productivity,
19:28
Speaker 1: the measurables and everything else. To me, says number one
19:32
Speaker 1: pick overall. And I think you feel him like heaven.
19:35
Speaker 1: Watched him up close in person at the Big Ten
19:37
Speaker 1: Championship game. I felt his presence like it was very
19:40
Speaker 1: clear and fair. In the big game, he turned it
19:41
Speaker 1: up and us he made plays. And I know people
19:44
Speaker 1: would talk about the Georgia game and they said, well,
19:46
Speaker 1: the first exposure that a lot of people had to
19:48
Speaker 1: him was watching him in the college football playoff and Georgia,
19:50
Speaker 1: seeming new handled it. But if you watch that Georgia played,
19:53
Speaker 1: they didn't go at him. The ball was out quick.
19:55
Speaker 1: They made sure they took care of him because he
19:57
Speaker 1: was the most impactful player for Michigan. Think this guy's
20:00
Speaker 1: a slam duck has a number one pick. To me,
20:02
Speaker 1: he should be the pit Hey, by the way, from
20:04
Speaker 1: a scouting standpoint, what's short on the t rex I
20:10
Speaker 1: was like a thirty seven and a half thirty eight
20:13
Speaker 1: in sleevelank, So what does this guy got those listing
20:16
Speaker 1: on radio? He's demonstrating the same time fantastic. You mentioned Georgia.
20:23
Speaker 1: They had a fantastic defense and national champions and a
20:26
Speaker 1: name going up a lot of my draft the last
20:28
Speaker 1: month or so, at least since the combine, especially its
20:31
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker defensive lineman six seventy played the most snaps
20:37
Speaker 1: on the defensive line for Georgia last year. He was
20:40
Speaker 1: moving all around. But Bucky, this guy's moving up boards
20:43
Speaker 1: after the combine. Yeah, there are a lot of people
20:45
Speaker 1: that are fascinating, and it started right at the combine
20:48
Speaker 1: because people had a chance to see him and watch
20:50
Speaker 1: him go to work. And he's a very impressive athlete,
20:53
Speaker 1: super explosive. You see the movie skills, the change of direction,
20:56
Speaker 1: all of those things. And then when you think about
20:58
Speaker 1: this defensive line, he played the most steps. He was
21:01
Speaker 1: all over the place. The only thing that bothers me
21:03
Speaker 1: about Walker is is a projection over there production the
21:07
Speaker 1: other pass rushers that we're talking about, we see guys
21:10
Speaker 1: get the quarterback down. And then one thing that translates
21:13
Speaker 1: sack production. If you sack him in high school, and
21:16
Speaker 1: you sack him in college, you go sack him in
21:17
Speaker 1: the pros. And I just don't know if you can
21:20
Speaker 1: say someone who got six sacks his final season is
21:23
Speaker 1: going to be a double digit sacking artist and the pros,
21:26
Speaker 1: it's uncommon to see that kind of jumping because you're
21:28
Speaker 1: you're not only facing a higher level of an athlete,
21:31
Speaker 1: but a more complex scheme. I mean, there's a lot
21:33
Speaker 1: of reasons why the adjustment is is big. And when
21:35
Speaker 1: you watch him, he's got some great tracks. Now he's big, strong, physical,
21:39
Speaker 1: he's got heavy hands. He does a great job of
21:42
Speaker 1: separating in the run game. Is a pass rusher, though
21:45
Speaker 1: what Bucky's referring to with the six and a half shacks,
21:48
Speaker 1: his moves are very limited. He's still loved, I don't
21:51
Speaker 1: want to say an amateur, but you can still tell
21:54
Speaker 1: that he's a developing pass rusher. Where you're watching Aden Hutchinson,
21:57
Speaker 1: you can see kind of moves that are in play
22:00
Speaker 1: and get put to kind of execution wise, and that's
22:04
Speaker 1: I think there's a big difference there as far as
22:06
Speaker 1: the p word. And I'm not talking about the potential
22:08
Speaker 1: worst the production. I mean sometimes there was a guy
22:12
Speaker 1: who was a a scout that I used to know
22:15
Speaker 1: for a long period of time, and he said, the
22:17
Speaker 1: one thing you gotta be careful of is giving yourself
22:20
Speaker 1: a speeding ticket on a guy and getting excited about
22:23
Speaker 1: what you see when they're wearing shorts. And uh. And
22:26
Speaker 1: I think that that look. Javon Walker, I think is
22:29
Speaker 1: a good football player. But what Bucky's talking about projecting
22:32
Speaker 1: a guy that sometimes can be interesting and and come
22:37
Speaker 1: sometimes flaw, you know. And we had this conversation a
22:40
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, and what's the perfect role for a Walker?
22:45
Speaker 1: I think a four or three left defense eve end
22:48
Speaker 1: would be a perfect fit for him and this defense here.
22:51
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's athletic enough to be a
22:54
Speaker 1: stand up outside linebacker guy, but he would be more
22:57
Speaker 1: of a defensive end guy, and then he could kick
23:00
Speaker 1: down to a free technique as a pass rusher. Somebody's
23:03
Speaker 1: got some flexibility. But is he gonna be that guy
23:06
Speaker 1: that's just gonna be lighting up defenses and scaring quarterbacks? Maybe,
23:10
Speaker 1: but I don't think right out of the game, Dan.
23:12
Speaker 1: It may take a while and the one reason products
23:15
Speaker 1: him matters in terms of stack production. There's an art
23:18
Speaker 1: to knocking the quarterback down. It's one thing to get
23:21
Speaker 1: close to it and to touch him and didn't, but
23:23
Speaker 1: to get him to the ground. There's a talent to that.
23:25
Speaker 1: And I don't think you can under sail when a
23:28
Speaker 1: guy is unable to do it, because those who do
23:31
Speaker 1: they do it, and they do it year after year
23:33
Speaker 1: after year after year. And the one thing when you
23:36
Speaker 1: watch Walker on film, and Bucky will probably corroborate this
23:39
Speaker 1: is that when he closes, that acceleration is instant. I mean,
23:45
Speaker 1: he's sure, you know. And in the difference I think
23:48
Speaker 1: when you look at Hutchinson and Walker, is is that
23:51
Speaker 1: Hutchinson I think plays with a little better instinct, a
23:54
Speaker 1: little better anticipation, whereas Walker is still this dominant, physical,
24:00
Speaker 1: strong guy, but not quite anticipating yet. And I think
24:03
Speaker 1: that's probably a factor in the production. But could he
24:06
Speaker 1: be that guy? Could be? I think at his high end,
24:10
Speaker 1: he plays like a disruptive run defender like Jadevion clown
24:15
Speaker 1: Jadevion Clowney has never been able to give you double
24:17
Speaker 1: digit sacks. I think maybe until this year, but he
24:20
Speaker 1: was very disruptive against the run, and so he would
24:22
Speaker 1: create a lot of negative plays. TfL's force phone was
24:25
Speaker 1: in those things because the athleticism and the explosiveness. But
24:29
Speaker 1: it's different. It's not what you typically would associate with
24:31
Speaker 1: a number one overall pick. But he's not as athletic
24:34
Speaker 1: as he end That is what you hope for. One
24:39
Speaker 1: more name. You know, they said they were down to
24:41
Speaker 1: four this past Friday. But one name that was mocked
24:44
Speaker 1: the Jaguars a lot going into the off season, early
24:47
Speaker 1: in the off season was Cabon Tibodeau. We haven't heard
24:50
Speaker 1: that name pop up. Why do you think that name
24:53
Speaker 1: slipped out of a lot of these maks. So I
24:56
Speaker 1: think there a couple of things with Cavon Tipodeaux that
24:58
Speaker 1: rubs people the wrong way. When you turn him to
25:00
Speaker 1: tape here is what we call a flash it. When
25:03
Speaker 1: he goes, it's impressive, but there are a lot of
25:06
Speaker 1: laws where he doesn't go. And so you're wondering is
25:10
Speaker 1: he gonna play hard all the time and a lot
25:12
Speaker 1: of times what you don't know is how is he
25:15
Speaker 1: going to change when the fame that a claim and
25:18
Speaker 1: the money and all that other stuff comes are you
25:20
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get him to turn it up? Now?
25:23
Speaker 1: To his credit, I don't know if he was coached
25:24
Speaker 1: hard at Oregon to learn how to run and play
25:27
Speaker 1: and go to the ball in those things. But what
25:30
Speaker 1: I will say his first step quickness is outstanding. Snap
25:33
Speaker 1: count anticipation. He has it. He has a natural bend
25:36
Speaker 1: to him that's going to allow him to get sacks
25:38
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. He also does a good job of
25:41
Speaker 1: taking guys right down the middle with a long arm.
25:43
Speaker 1: But the one thing that you worry about is does
25:47
Speaker 1: he love it enough to go from good to great
25:50
Speaker 1: as a pro? That is the question and concern that
25:53
Speaker 1: you had that that long arm kind of like a
25:55
Speaker 1: Rickey Jackson back in the day of the Saints. But
25:58
Speaker 1: when you talk about Ben, this guy's got Ben. Now
26:01
Speaker 1: I'm talking if you compared his athleticism to a Walker
26:05
Speaker 1: or Hutchinson, I think Thibodeau is a better athlete than
26:08
Speaker 1: all of them. It's it's different because it's funny because
26:11
Speaker 1: the numbers the other guy's test better. But on the field,
26:14
Speaker 1: they're only handful of guys that can turn the corner
26:16
Speaker 1: and those three steps like he. He has it, and
26:19
Speaker 1: so if he decides that he wants to be great,
26:21
Speaker 1: he'll be a great player off the ends. You know,
26:23
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of things that guys are doing
26:25
Speaker 1: what they do on a football field that shows athleticism.
26:28
Speaker 1: It's how low that they can be to the ground
26:31
Speaker 1: and still be in control. And this is a guy
26:34
Speaker 1: that has that athletic ability. He can turn his foot
26:37
Speaker 1: it was like one foot towards the quarterback and when
26:40
Speaker 1: he plants that, he's turning and going that direction like
26:43
Speaker 1: a running back. Has the great ability to plan a
26:45
Speaker 1: foot and then and make that cut downhill. It's kind
26:47
Speaker 1: of the same thing, but a little different with a
26:49
Speaker 1: pass rush. Who's the best in the game right now?
26:51
Speaker 1: With Ben been doing that? Von or back back when
26:54
Speaker 1: Von was in his prime, Von Von is not. His
26:57
Speaker 1: legs are getting a little bit old. Uh Um. I
27:00
Speaker 1: think it's Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett has freaky athleticism anything, anything,
27:07
Speaker 1: and you can't come you can. He is like he's
27:09
Speaker 1: the athlete up here. Okay, everybody else lives down here
27:13
Speaker 1: in this neighborhood, but he's up here. And I think
27:15
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Take when he came out, he wasn't a refined technically,
27:18
Speaker 1: he's getting ten sexs just off, I'm a better athlete
27:21
Speaker 1: than you olvera turn the corner and go hit the court.
27:23
Speaker 1: Now he's learning both. No, that's scary now for sure.
27:26
Speaker 1: The Jaguars are future focused and ready for a new
27:28
Speaker 1: look in to join us of the bank this season
27:31
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27:41
Speaker 1: What do expect the rest of tonight's after number one?
27:47
Speaker 1: Maybe the unexpectedness. We'll discuss it when we come back.
27:50
Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. You know,
28:06
Speaker 1: you can make the case for Walker on fit as well,
28:09
Speaker 1: you know, And I look at Caldwell scheme and being
28:12
Speaker 1: there Todd Bowles and think about JPP and the success
28:14
Speaker 1: he had. You know, you could you could make that
28:17
Speaker 1: match there with Walker. I think, you know, Hutchinson getting
28:20
Speaker 1: a chance to rush from a two point stance there
28:21
Speaker 1: would would be pretty dynamic as well. Um So, I
28:24
Speaker 1: mean it's it's what you know right now with Hutchinson,
28:27
Speaker 1: I think he comes in clear packaging. I think there's
28:29
Speaker 1: some unknown uh there with Walker, but I I think
28:32
Speaker 1: that we sell Hutchinson's short on the ceiling, and I
28:35
Speaker 1: feel like we sell Walker a little short on the floor.
28:37
Speaker 1: I think they're they're they're both gonna be really good
28:39
Speaker 1: football players. Let's lead draft analysts for NFL Network, Daniel
28:44
Speaker 1: Jeremiah in Las Vegas with Brian Sexton, and we are
28:49
Speaker 1: at Daily's place for the two douval draft party. Gates
28:53
Speaker 1: open at five o'clock, the festivities underway at six o'clock,
28:57
Speaker 1: so you draft underway at eight o'clock. JP Shadrick, Jeff Laga,
29:01
Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks with us from there. Yeah, who's that
29:03
Speaker 1: Jeremiah guy? We got? We got Bucky? Is that he's
29:06
Speaker 1: the lead, he's the leaders at the network. Well, we're
29:11
Speaker 1: glad to have you here with us. I know that
29:13
Speaker 1: that's for sure. No matter what he's doing, it's awesome. No,
29:17
Speaker 1: that's great. This is great. This is great. First time
29:19
Speaker 1: I've been in a long time with the team on
29:21
Speaker 1: draft night and drafted. The energy should be fun to
29:24
Speaker 1: be around it all over a day. Is there anything
29:26
Speaker 1: better than talking ball and talking home? I mean, unfortunately,
29:29
Speaker 1: that's really where this team has been after the last
29:31
Speaker 1: couple of years, and that that's the only thing they've
29:34
Speaker 1: had to hold on to His home and that's the
29:36
Speaker 1: draft has always represented home, and this is a franchise
29:39
Speaker 1: that helps it. Some of the picks that they make
29:41
Speaker 1: today can change the fortunes. And that's why the fans
29:43
Speaker 1: I think are extremely excited about him should be excited.
29:46
Speaker 1: I'm more excited about Dell Peterson coming over, like having
29:49
Speaker 1: played with him, having played with some of the guys
29:51
Speaker 1: that are on the coaching staff, just really excited about
29:54
Speaker 1: the professionalism like those guys having played those guys haven't
29:57
Speaker 1: been on the field. I just think it'd be a
30:00
Speaker 1: for dynamic different seen in the path you think. I
30:05
Speaker 1: just say it. The last year it was kind of
30:07
Speaker 1: a train wreck. Maybe so Jaguars inner today and there's
30:11
Speaker 1: NFL Draft with twelve picks on the docket, tied for
30:14
Speaker 1: the most in the National Football League. One today, three
30:19
Speaker 1: on the docket tomorrow, one of the second round, two
30:21
Speaker 1: in the third round, and then eight more on Saturday.
30:24
Speaker 1: How many of those do they actually pick? Do they
30:27
Speaker 1: make moves, trade or Trent does he show up like
30:29
Speaker 1: he did in San Francisco. What happens here. Guys, what
30:32
Speaker 1: do you think I mean? For me, I think this
30:34
Speaker 1: team moves up and I think it would be wise too.
30:37
Speaker 1: And when I say move up from the first pick
30:39
Speaker 1: of the second round, which is the first pick of
30:41
Speaker 1: Day two, you've got four or six round picks, two
30:45
Speaker 1: seventh or two sevenths and then you'll also have a
30:47
Speaker 1: fifth round pick. For me, those picks, use them as
30:51
Speaker 1: much as you can to get find a way to
30:53
Speaker 1: get back into the first round. And there's a lot
30:56
Speaker 1: of guys to pick from, I think, and and Bucky
30:58
Speaker 1: has a little bit better handle on the overall talent
31:00
Speaker 1: of the draft. But Blucky, there's two guys that I
31:02
Speaker 1: really like, one of them the center in Iowa. The
31:05
Speaker 1: other ones of pass rusher, Perdue, Okay linder Bomb and
31:07
Speaker 1: then George Carloftis. I think those are very interesting pick
31:10
Speaker 1: because ultimately you talk about Trader Trent, what you should do,
31:14
Speaker 1: and what you are doing is you have a wish
31:16
Speaker 1: list that you want to come out of draft weekend
31:19
Speaker 1: with these kinds of players. And so if you think
31:21
Speaker 1: about packaging, so let's just say we go with a
31:24
Speaker 1: pass rusher at one, then you want to come back
31:26
Speaker 1: in the second round and maybe you get an offensive linement,
31:28
Speaker 1: so then Linderbaum would be in that conversation at thirty three.
31:31
Speaker 1: It makes at the end of the day, you're like, Okay,
31:33
Speaker 1: we feel good about where we are. And then I
31:36
Speaker 1: still believe they need a speed receiver somewhere in this draft,
31:40
Speaker 1: someone that can take the top off the defense to
31:42
Speaker 1: kind of spread it out from Marvin Jones and Christie
31:44
Speaker 1: Kirk and z Jones and those guys to do work.
31:47
Speaker 1: And so it's where do I need to get to
31:49
Speaker 1: to get one of the best in those positions, and
31:52
Speaker 1: so trading up getting rid of those six and sevens
31:55
Speaker 1: to move into range to get players that can come
31:56
Speaker 1: in and be immediate contributors. That has to be the
31:58
Speaker 1: folks in emphasis. I just don't think you have enough
32:01
Speaker 1: roster spots for all of these picks that we're talking
32:04
Speaker 1: about if they stay put, to be able to make
32:06
Speaker 1: this roster, whether it be on practice squad or the
32:09
Speaker 1: active roster. I mean, it's a tremendous amount of of players.
32:12
Speaker 1: And then you look at the large free agency class
32:15
Speaker 1: that they brought in with some of the existing recent
32:18
Speaker 1: draft picks that you're hoping to develop. I mean, I
32:21
Speaker 1: think you've got to end up turning some of those
32:23
Speaker 1: picks into fewer picks, but higher ones. Yeah, players over picks,
32:26
Speaker 1: meaning blue chip players, players that can come in and contribute.
32:29
Speaker 1: And to your point, George got loftis underrated throughout the process.
32:33
Speaker 1: He's a power rusher, and I think when we talk
32:35
Speaker 1: about athleticism, the fact that he was on the Greek
32:38
Speaker 1: national team as a water polo player, to me, speaks
32:41
Speaker 1: volumes about who he is. New to the game, still
32:44
Speaker 1: learning the game. But man, he's a powerful players. The
32:46
Speaker 1: little attitude, he has some stuff to him. He's got
32:50
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to him. He's really young. But
32:53
Speaker 1: but athletically, you know, we're talking earlier about the bend
32:56
Speaker 1: uh and and to get off and all the things
32:58
Speaker 1: that are key to a pass rush. The they call
33:00
Speaker 1: him the Greek freak. How to perdue this guy? He has,
33:03
Speaker 1: He's got some tools. How different is it? Then let's
33:06
Speaker 1: say Hutchinson and I don't know, I don't I don't
33:08
Speaker 1: you know here, I think this is an interesting in bait,
33:10
Speaker 1: and I said this to somebody, I would not be
33:12
Speaker 1: surprised if Carl Laptus is a guy that could end
33:15
Speaker 1: up having as many sacks as a Hutchinson could. Yeah,
33:18
Speaker 1: I mean, but he understands the artistry he played. Sorry,
33:21
Speaker 1: you gotta understand where he played at Perdue. There's been
33:24
Speaker 1: a number of pass russince that's come out of that.
33:25
Speaker 1: He is up there at the top of the list
33:27
Speaker 1: when it comes to production and disruption and all those things.
33:31
Speaker 1: He's a really good player. He might fall out. He's
33:34
Speaker 1: made the bottom of the first roun, bottom of the
33:35
Speaker 1: first round, top of second death where he goes. Sometimes
33:38
Speaker 1: you gotta think about doubling up at the position. There's
33:41
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with doubling up. If you want to address
33:43
Speaker 1: the need, go twice. Make sure you addressed by getting
33:45
Speaker 1: multiple I have you ever met a team that had
33:48
Speaker 1: too many pass rushers? You can't have right now. And
33:53
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you end up going Walker at one, okay,
33:57
Speaker 1: Walker is a is a three technique pass rusher. Once
34:00
Speaker 1: you get the sub package Nickel and don uh so
34:04
Speaker 1: I think he is, and then all of a sudden,
34:05
Speaker 1: now you need a guy around the edge and send
34:07
Speaker 1: the game in the game, we're gonna be a nickel.
34:10
Speaker 1: So you have to treat it like that. Make sure
34:12
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta roll him in. You can't have enough.
34:13
Speaker 1: It used to be. The game has changed. It's a
34:18
Speaker 1: pasty league pinball football. You better score because they're going
34:22
Speaker 1: to on the other side. Speaking of that, let's shift
34:24
Speaker 1: our conversation out of the wide receiver position. You mentioned
34:28
Speaker 1: a deep guy, deep threat. Well, I mean, who are
34:31
Speaker 1: some of those guys that could be available lower first
34:34
Speaker 1: into the second round. Guys like Jamison Williams might be out,
34:38
Speaker 1: a Lobby might be gone. Garrett Wilson Ohio State probably gone.
34:43
Speaker 1: What's that next level of guy? Well, next series? Great.
34:45
Speaker 1: So you can see a bunch of wide receivers throughout
34:48
Speaker 1: this draft that can make an immediate impact in terms
34:51
Speaker 1: of roll specific guys for the Jaguars. Talking on Thornton
34:54
Speaker 1: from Baylor is somewhere for to weight at the combat,
34:57
Speaker 1: but he's a lieutenant track star going all the way back.
34:59
Speaker 1: Big out speed can take the top off the defense,
35:02
Speaker 1: off the coverage, and the Jaguars need that explosive playmaker.
35:05
Speaker 1: Jaden Tilbert from South Alabama another guy, a speaster that
35:10
Speaker 1: can take the top offer of coverage. If you want
35:12
Speaker 1: someone that is more of the route runner type, Khalio
35:15
Speaker 1: secure guy from Well go Boise State another route runner
35:20
Speaker 1: that can do it. They're from smaller guys Calvin Austin
35:22
Speaker 1: but t tiny five seven. I don't know if you
35:25
Speaker 1: want that. But there's plenty of guys in the second,
35:27
Speaker 1: third round, even top of the fourth round they can
35:29
Speaker 1: make contributions as a speed receiving. If a guy's five sevens,
35:33
Speaker 1: he better run like Tyreek Hill. He runs, but he's smaller.
35:36
Speaker 1: He's smaller, but he had to miss him because he's fast.
35:38
Speaker 1: But a little a little self evaluation here with the Jaguars,
35:41
Speaker 1: you have a lot of guys because uh literally with
35:44
Speaker 1: la viscous Chanal and then Christian Kirk, these guys are
35:48
Speaker 1: I think, are more suited to the inside receiving positions.
35:52
Speaker 1: The one thing that you don't have, and Marvin Jones
35:55
Speaker 1: isn't even one of these guys. You don't have a
35:56
Speaker 1: guy that you can line up on the outside and go.
36:00
Speaker 1: That's what you don't have. And so if you are
36:03
Speaker 1: gonna find a wide receiver in this traft, you better
36:06
Speaker 1: have a guy that gonna go shoot, which, by the way,
36:08
Speaker 1: who means really fast, really bad? But what but what
36:12
Speaker 1: Larnes is talking about is the way that we think
36:14
Speaker 1: about the wide receiver room. It needs to be a
36:16
Speaker 1: basketball team. You gotta have guys with different tools, sizes, shapes,
36:21
Speaker 1: left speed. You want to be able to throw different
36:23
Speaker 1: things out there. And I wouldn't be surprised to also
36:26
Speaker 1: see another tight end. Find this way here based on
36:30
Speaker 1: the way that Doug likes to play twelve personnel two
36:33
Speaker 1: tight ends on the field because you can dictate so
36:36
Speaker 1: many things in the run game and the passing game
36:38
Speaker 1: with those guys into me. Evan Ingram is a jumbo
36:41
Speaker 1: slot receiver. We may have him listed. He run out
36:43
Speaker 1: the tunnel with tight end, but he's a jumbo slot.
36:47
Speaker 1: Here's how you know that when when you watch him play,
36:52
Speaker 1: you look at how defensive coordinators play him. Defensive coordinators
36:56
Speaker 1: played him as a wide receiver all year. What you
36:59
Speaker 1: would like to have is a tight end that the
37:02
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator is in a little bit of a quandary,
37:05
Speaker 1: how do we treat him? Well? The Kelsey's uh and
37:09
Speaker 1: the Gronx Okay of the league, they create legitimate matchup
37:13
Speaker 1: problems because if you put a small guy on him,
37:15
Speaker 1: he'll block and and all of a sudden, now you're
37:17
Speaker 1: out the gate and with the running game, and Okay,
37:19
Speaker 1: that's the one thing that Evan Ingram is not. He's
37:22
Speaker 1: not a guy that can really block as a big
37:24
Speaker 1: man and then catch the ball. So I'm like he's
37:27
Speaker 1: talking about buck, He's talking about don't be surprised if
37:29
Speaker 1: this team finds a tight end, and if they do,
37:31
Speaker 1: it'll be a guy that has the ability to do
37:33
Speaker 1: both and do both well block in catch. Where do
37:36
Speaker 1: they find that. Tray McBride would be one. Tray McBride
37:39
Speaker 1: from Colorado State is the best one in the class,
37:41
Speaker 1: but he is someone second round ish that can do it.
37:44
Speaker 1: He's a guy that was a three spots standout in
37:46
Speaker 1: high school because from Colorado State called a lot of
37:48
Speaker 1: pass but looking can block on the edges. Greg Dotes
37:52
Speaker 1: from u C l A walk on made his way
37:55
Speaker 1: into a big time receiver and playmaker formal receiver, but
37:58
Speaker 1: he can get gritty there. I just think it's really
38:00
Speaker 1: important we're seeing tight ends in importance of controlling the
38:04
Speaker 1: middle of the field making life easy for Trevor Lawrence.
38:08
Speaker 1: More tight end is more big bodies, more guys that
38:10
Speaker 1: can do abouts of different things. I would be a
38:11
Speaker 1: little surprised if they did go tight end, just because
38:15
Speaker 1: you know you you got a guy in free agency
38:17
Speaker 1: last year that you feel really good about as a blocker,
38:19
Speaker 1: and then you traded for a guy with Dan Arnold,
38:21
Speaker 1: and now you gotta have an ingram. You got two
38:22
Speaker 1: receiving guys and an inline guy. So I and I
38:26
Speaker 1: know the draft, you what you gotta do. What they
38:28
Speaker 1: call trust your board, okay, and you're picking the guys
38:30
Speaker 1: that are have the highest grade. But sometimes sometimes the
38:34
Speaker 1: need just kind of pulls your way into another position. Room.
38:38
Speaker 1: Going back to the start of our conversation here, don't
38:41
Speaker 1: turn off the television after number one, right, they could
38:44
Speaker 1: jump back into night. Yeah, I would, I would think
38:47
Speaker 1: because if there's it in a prom spot one at
38:49
Speaker 1: the top of the second round, so there's gonna be
38:51
Speaker 1: interest for the Jaguars. More way to deal, they're either
38:54
Speaker 1: interesting coming up into the first round or everyone wants
38:58
Speaker 1: step first big because there's want to be a name
39:00
Speaker 1: or two that surpleasently falls out of the first round
39:04
Speaker 1: that people are coming to wanting to get to. So
39:07
Speaker 1: it's a nice spot for trim Bark. He has to
39:08
Speaker 1: make a decision if there's someone that he identifies that
39:11
Speaker 1: I want to go get or do I want to
39:13
Speaker 1: play it conservative? Back out there's some more picks and
39:16
Speaker 1: go get well. I think there's gonna be somebody that
39:19
Speaker 1: they really like for them to trade up with that pick,
39:21
Speaker 1: because that pick has value. What we're with what is
39:25
Speaker 1: called the overnight factor. You know, if you still have
39:28
Speaker 1: that pick, you get to feel calls from thirty one
39:31
Speaker 1: teams from the end of the draft tonight until the
39:34
Speaker 1: draft starts tomorrow about somebody offering you picks to come
39:38
Speaker 1: out of that spot. So I think that's a very
39:42
Speaker 1: interesting situation to be in. But the number of picks
39:45
Speaker 1: that they have, and I think what we're talking about,
39:47
Speaker 1: if you've got a guy, go up and get them.
39:50
Speaker 1: Trader tricks getting ready. We heard from earlier here on
39:53
Speaker 1: Jaguar is Happy Hour. We're back in a moment. We're
39:56
Speaker 1: a look around the National Football League the NFL Draft
39:59
Speaker 1: in Lass Vegas, Nevada. In two. Ryan Sexton is out
40:04
Speaker 1: there for us on Jaguars dot Com. You'll see some
40:07
Speaker 1: of his interviews coming up. But he said it is
40:09
Speaker 1: built for the NFL Draft was built for a lot
40:12
Speaker 1: of things, but the draft fits in well. In Las Vegas,
40:15
Speaker 1: the Jaguars had the number one pick. We're back to
40:18
Speaker 1: close out Jaguars Happy Hour after this on the Jaguars
40:21
Speaker 1: Digital Network. Welcome back at Jaguars Happy Hour and if
40:32
Speaker 1: you're watching on Jaguars dot Com Jaguars Social channels, it's
40:36
Speaker 1: a live look at the Football Performance Centered construction site
40:41
Speaker 1: the side of the old practice fields, the site of
40:43
Speaker 1: old Wolfson Park. Well, it's now going to be the
40:46
Speaker 1: site for the new building for the Jaguars football operations
40:50
Speaker 1: and it should be open and ready in the twenty
40:53
Speaker 1: three training camp. Is that a pool that they're digging
40:56
Speaker 1: there on the left side. It does look like a
41:00
Speaker 1: little cut up. Yeah, yeah, that are a fishing pond.
41:04
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a fishing pond? Really? Just what we
41:08
Speaker 1: eat around here? Some more of those perfect yet, So
41:12
Speaker 1: that's to be open a little bit. We see the
41:13
Speaker 1: construction every single day and just one of a few
41:16
Speaker 1: things going on here in the sports complex. Tonight, RDY
41:19
Speaker 1: Show logs, the Iceman have a playoff game tonight. They
41:23
Speaker 1: have guns and rosen in confer. Apparently behind us AXL
41:26
Speaker 1: Rose is getting a loud the roar of the Jaguar
41:29
Speaker 1: is going through their their warm ups to get ready
41:31
Speaker 1: for Tonight's says show here at Daily's place. Hey, inside
41:35
Speaker 1: the stadium since the practice fields are gone, the Jaguars
41:38
Speaker 1: are having volunteering veteran mini camp on the game field
41:42
Speaker 1: now inside, so the first chance for coaches to be
41:46
Speaker 1: on the field with players. They're doing some minor things,
41:49
Speaker 1: throwing the ball around a little bit, logs. Good thing. Yeah,
41:51
Speaker 1: pretty neat too, and that you know, for this stadium
41:55
Speaker 1: typically has kind of like a gravel border around the
41:59
Speaker 1: outside hid of it, and they completely change the field
42:02
Speaker 1: out its grass completely from wall to wall on the
42:07
Speaker 1: plane field to maximize the ability square inches as far
42:11
Speaker 1: as grass for the players. At some point they're gonna
42:14
Speaker 1: start going across the river to Episcopal to use their field,
42:18
Speaker 1: But for the moment, for some of this all season stuff,
42:21
Speaker 1: they're doing it right here in the stadium. Nice, nice
42:23
Speaker 1: little practice field because that surface there is unbelievable, real nice.
42:28
Speaker 1: It looks nice. It looks nice to be able to
42:30
Speaker 1: do it and wasn't in practice in the stadium. It's
42:32
Speaker 1: a nice feel to being every going there and do it.
42:34
Speaker 1: I know it has to be nice for the players
42:36
Speaker 1: to finally get back to active with a new coaching
42:38
Speaker 1: staff kind of put some of the things they've seen
42:40
Speaker 1: on the board to put him into player on the ground.
42:43
Speaker 1: It's early in that process, so I mean, right, I mean,
42:45
Speaker 1: we just started. It's kind of interesting that you hear
42:48
Speaker 1: different comments from around the league about teams getting back
42:51
Speaker 1: on the grass and you know, from Russell Wilson claiming
42:55
Speaker 1: to have you know, the great players that he's working with,
42:58
Speaker 1: and and Matt Ryan haven't great receivers in Indianapolis. You know,
43:02
Speaker 1: every team in April feels really good about where they are,
43:08
Speaker 1: really good. You don't be like, oh, we're gonna stake
43:10
Speaker 1: this year. We know it in May, like we can't
43:13
Speaker 1: say that we can't sit in the draft. Is when
43:16
Speaker 1: the optimism really is that because now you've got new players,
43:20
Speaker 1: new energy, everyone's in the building, the offseason approach, undefeated.
43:25
Speaker 1: Everybody has a chance to yes, thank you for that
43:30
Speaker 1: right there, knocking on the door. Let's go around the
43:33
Speaker 1: National Football League a few notes and the news and
43:35
Speaker 1: notes from around the league reports that the Raiders were
43:38
Speaker 1: looking to trade tight end Dearren Waller. Waller was on
43:40
Speaker 1: CBS Sports Radio this week said the team told him
43:43
Speaker 1: a trade is not going to happen. Why in the world.
43:45
Speaker 1: Would they trade him away back? Yeah, that's a room
43:48
Speaker 1: of going bad. You don't go and acquire Davante Adams
43:52
Speaker 1: to go with Hunter Renfro signed Derek Carter and extensive
43:54
Speaker 1: to then remove an Alfro weapon. No, he's going to
43:58
Speaker 1: be He's gonna be there for for he he is, uh,
44:01
Speaker 1: I mean really arguably the second best tight end in football.
44:05
Speaker 1: I mean, he's unbelievable and and I don't think that
44:08
Speaker 1: he's reached his ceiling yet. That is totally false. Whoever
44:12
Speaker 1: came out with that rumor that he was gonna be traded,
44:15
Speaker 1: Raiders are not gonna get rid of him. Who's the
44:17
Speaker 1: number one tight end? Kelsey Kelsey, number one George Kittle.
44:22
Speaker 1: Let's say it was Kittling good okay, but Kittle's not
44:25
Speaker 1: the receiver that Kelsey and Kelsey For a long time,
44:28
Speaker 1: I used to kind of question some of his blocking,
44:30
Speaker 1: but he's actually done a pretty good job and he's willing. Uh,
44:33
Speaker 1: he's a little feisty. But Darren Waller is just you know,
44:36
Speaker 1: when you talk about freakish ability, I mean in the
44:39
Speaker 1: ability to run in length and catch radius. Uh. Wow,
44:43
Speaker 1: he's got it all. Fifth year option week apparently. Of course,
44:47
Speaker 1: we've mentioned Josh Allen got the fifth year option with
44:50
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, Christian Wilkins got up with the Dolphins, Kyler
44:53
Speaker 1: Murray with the Cardinals. Well, Daniel Jones apparently not getting
44:57
Speaker 1: it with the New York Football Giants. How about that, buck, Yeah,
45:01
Speaker 1: Danny Dives didn't get a fifth year option, but you
45:04
Speaker 1: kind of expected at based on the injuries, the number
45:06
Speaker 1: of turnovers. New coaching staff. You don't want necessarily lock
45:10
Speaker 1: yourself in because then you do it, you don't like him.
45:12
Speaker 1: You have a Sam Donald situation like you had in
45:14
Speaker 1: New York. So what you want to do is, hey,
45:16
Speaker 1: if Danny Darris plays well, they'll give him his money.
45:18
Speaker 1: But he has to play well. He's not worth it
45:20
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, that's the fact that's you know.
45:23
Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is is that he hasn't proven
45:26
Speaker 1: to be a great quarterback, and then until he does,
45:29
Speaker 1: you know, teams, teams aren't gonna just throw out the
45:31
Speaker 1: fifth year option at guys unless there's a lot of
45:34
Speaker 1: high productivity, especially at that quarterback position. Because the Giants
45:37
Speaker 1: have some amo in the future to be able to
45:40
Speaker 1: to take a serious run out of quarterback in future
45:43
Speaker 1: draft class, not this one, but in the future. Let's
45:45
Speaker 1: wrap up this Jaguars Happy Hour program J P. Shadrick,
45:48
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, and Jeff Flagman. You know how quickly things
45:52
Speaker 1: can change when you're talking NFL Draft last May. If
45:56
Speaker 1: you're into the odds of number one picks and what
45:59
Speaker 1: players could go number one. Some of these sports books
46:03
Speaker 1: started putting out their odds well last May. One of
46:06
Speaker 1: them were the initial odds they put out in May
46:08
Speaker 1: of last year for the number one pick. This year,
46:10
Speaker 1: here's the order they had. Spencer Rattler, quarterback, Sam Howe,
46:14
Speaker 1: quarterback Cavon Thibodeau, Jared Stingley Jr. Teton Slova's from sc
46:20
Speaker 1: the quarterback Pelique Willis, J. G. Daniels, Emery Jones. I mean,
46:25
Speaker 1: the list goes on, it changes, off seasons happened, a
46:28
Speaker 1: full college season happens, and then you never know. And
46:31
Speaker 1: of course tonight that Jaguar has had the number one
46:33
Speaker 1: overall pick logs, I'll start with you what happens at
46:37
Speaker 1: number one overall that night at Hutchinson. I think that's
46:42
Speaker 1: that's who they picked. And I might be wrong, And uh,
46:45
Speaker 1: if if I was in Vegas, I might lose some money,
46:49
Speaker 1: but that's who I picked. I mean, I really don't
46:52
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do, but if I were making
46:54
Speaker 1: the pick, it would be hard not to pick Hutchinson,
46:57
Speaker 1: and it would also be very difficult to take it right.
47:02
Speaker 1: I think I usually pick one, I know, but I
47:04
Speaker 1: like both of those guys, and I want to trade
47:06
Speaker 1: back in and get the second and third overall pick
47:09
Speaker 1: for the first sounds like Urban last year. I want
47:11
Speaker 1: to trade it to get count picks. Wait a minute,
47:14
Speaker 1: he was, well, I did a deep die j p
47:18
Speaker 1: and uh, I think we can get the value for
47:20
Speaker 1: that pick. I like Hudsonson at number one. I'm still
47:26
Speaker 1: in my guts something that's telling me that traybaul Walker
47:28
Speaker 1: is going to end up being the pick. Maybe it's
47:30
Speaker 1: the Balky thing, maybe it's the history then he had
47:32
Speaker 1: with all this. Know, sometimes it's hard to get out
47:35
Speaker 1: of guests a year in your own mind. But traybauld
47:38
Speaker 1: Walker and Hudson, I believe it's going to be one
47:40
Speaker 1: of the past questions and the office and town none.
47:43
Speaker 1: You're done with the offensive tack. I mean, I would
47:45
Speaker 1: like you, but I'm not picking. I don't have to pick,
47:46
Speaker 1: but if I did, it would be a Hudson because
47:49
Speaker 1: I believe he's the safest here. Here's the thing, and
47:52
Speaker 1: I think I was. I was posed in question on
47:55
Speaker 1: an interview that we did or I did earlier today
47:58
Speaker 1: with with with a group outs, and they said, you
48:01
Speaker 1: know you are you a believer? They used to golf analogy,
48:04
Speaker 1: do you like hitting it down the center of the
48:06
Speaker 1: fairway or do you like to swing big. I'm a
48:09
Speaker 1: believer in hitting it down the fairway because sometimes when
48:11
Speaker 1: you just try to hit it down the fairway, sometimes
48:13
Speaker 1: it ends up being big because I think and I'm
48:16
Speaker 1: not trying to be safe, but I'm just trying to
48:19
Speaker 1: you know, you trust your eyes and productivity and uh
48:22
Speaker 1: to me in the film says a lot. And it's
48:25
Speaker 1: hard to argue against the productivity in the film of
48:28
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson. And then you throw in the football character,
48:30
Speaker 1: because the character really really matters. The guy really loves ball.
48:33
Speaker 1: He's a great teammate, He's done everything that you want
48:36
Speaker 1: to see from a work ethic standpoint throughout the time
48:38
Speaker 1: in Michigan. He's going to continue to be the same
48:40
Speaker 1: guy here. I think it would really fit in well
48:41
Speaker 1: in this locker room. And and here's the thing. When
48:43
Speaker 1: you talk about locker room fit, you're trying to change
48:46
Speaker 1: the culture here, Okay, and this I think this is
48:49
Speaker 1: a guy that can help change a culture. But if
48:52
Speaker 1: they don't take Aidan Hutchinson, Detroit will go crazy. Detroit
48:59
Speaker 1: will absolutely crazy. And if they don't take Aidan Hutchinson
49:04
Speaker 1: here there will forever be a comparison if the Jaguars
49:07
Speaker 1: take Walker with Hutchinson. There you have it. The picks
49:11
Speaker 1: are in on Jaguars Happy Hour coming up. Our coverage
49:14
Speaker 1: continues on Jaguars dot Com at seven thirty. It's Draft
49:19
Speaker 1: night in Duvall our pregames show if you will for
49:22
Speaker 1: the two NFL Draft, We'll get you ready for the
49:25
Speaker 1: number one pick and beyond the Jaguars at number one.
49:30
Speaker 1: The Jags have twelve picks in this draft, at least
49:32
Speaker 1: going into today. We'll see how many they have after today.
49:35
Speaker 1: For Bucky Brooks, Jeff Logum, and our entire crew, I'm J. P. Shadrick.
49:40
Speaker 1: We'll see a little bit later here at Daily's Place.
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