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Love Is Off the Air: Taylor Frankie Paul’s Allegations That Made ABC Cancel Everything · The Drama Drop

• The Drama Drop: Hey guys, welcome to the drama drop. As you all know, there has been so many headlines coming out left and right with Taylor, Frankie, Paul and all the allegations and everything. mean, there was no other option, but I needed to do an emergency press conference. And ⁓ have joining with me Tara Miller. she is amazing. She has an interior design company and you should check her out. It's ⁓ at the underscore Heartland. So she has a lot of amazing work on there. And then she also has a podcast. called the details pod. So check out both of those Instagrams and at the details pod, she'll have her links for all of her podcasts that she has done, which I have also been a part of. So if you haven't checked her out, you definitely need to, but there is a lot to go over ⁓ and very heavy. The world feels a little bit heavy with all of this news. So let's not any time. Let's get into it. this ⁓ conversation, I've looking forward to speaking with you because we have just been going back and forth for the past, what, two days has been like developing over. Tara Miller: Yeah, and it's been a blur, an absolute blur. The Drama Drop: It's been a, my head is on a swivel. What about you? Tara Miller: I just am spinning with information. There is so much information out there, but there's still so many questions and it's happening live so fast that I feel like I can't keep up. The Drama Drop: I know, I know. So for everyone that is tuning in, me and Tara, we had to jump on and do an emergency podcast for you all because I'm sure you've seen the headlines. Taylor, Frankie, Paul, there has been DV allegations with her ex-boyfriend Dakota. And ultimately, it's paused season five of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives filming and ultimately led to the cancellation of The Bachelorette. which how we got here is totally insane to me. Again, like you said, there's so much information that is constantly flooding. I feel like every time I close my phone, there's a new thing that is coming out. And I... Tara Miller: Every time I open it you've sent me new article and I've sent you new article. The Drama Drop: like I cannot keep up with it fast enough. It's I don't, I don't know. mean, so let's just take it back. I mean, I don't know if you remember like what you were doing or where you were, but I just remember when I opened up my phone and I saw the notification that, know, season five got put on pause of filming. They stopped production or, you know, filming and all that stuff because of the DV incident. And I personally was really confused because I thought they were referencing. the October to 2023. ⁓ Well, no, sorry. It actually happened in February, 2023, but filming wise with Secret, let's see if it's season one. That was October, 2023. ⁓ Like what were your thoughts when you first saw that? Were you? Tara Miller: 2023, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. When I first saw that, I was confused. I thought the same thing. I was like, oh, they're referencing the 2023 event. But then there was some detail about a necklace being used as one of the devices. And I'm like, wait, is this new information? Because I remember a chair. I remember that storyline. But I don't remember a necklace being used in this way. So I was like, wait, is this new information? Is this happening live, live time? Because in my head, I'm like, The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Tara Miller: Bachelorette is done filming, like hopefully, fingers crossed she would have a man have moved on from Dakota. Obviously they still co-parent, so they see each other, but you're thinking if she's living like, hopefully, we hope that she's living a happy, healthy, new relationship life, that these instances wouldn't happen. And so the fact that it happened was kind of like, ⁓ gosh, are we back to this cycle? What'd you think? Where were you? The Drama Drop: Right. Mm-hmm. Right, right. know. I, ⁓ my gosh, I just was on my phone, you know, working. ⁓ I saw, and I just, yeah, I immediately was confused. I was like, this is known information. And then very similar to you of something about a necklace. And I was just really confused. And I was like, no, wait, like this, this cannot be correct. And then I saw the dates and this was February, 2026. Tara Miller: Like February 23rd and 24th? Yeah, somewhere in there. The Drama Drop: Yes, of 2026. And I was like, no, how are we here? So I've kind of like went back even further and I have some notes because I wanna make sure that I, know, obviously this is a very serious situation. so I want to go through the timeline and I want to make sure that I get this right because obviously we know this is a very serious situation. So what I'm gathering through what I've been my research is the girls were able to kind of catch wind like obviously they already knew about everything that had happened in 2023. I don't think they had seen anything, you know, which we'll get to that. I don't think they'd seen anything. But I think at this point, they might have because March 7, the girls decided, you know, they needed to have a, you know, like a 30 minute zoom meeting. They were discussing, you know, that they had a lot of concerns with moving forward and the future of the show. If Tara Miller: Yeah. you The Drama Drop: Taylor Frankie Paul is going to be on it just with everything that is going on, all these allegations, just the situation. They said, we don't know who, but one of the cast members said, it's a dangerous situation, it's a sad situation, and we don't know how to navigate it because Taylor is our friend. So you can tell, they just knew things were not, Tara Miller: Mmm. The Drama Drop: well, like this is way beyond versus just getting over somebody and moving on. So I think with that, know, they were very much putting their foot down on Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: Like something has to be done. ⁓ Tara Miller: Yeah, like she needs help. It's not healthy just to film this. Like I think they're being good friends when they're like, this has gotten to the point where it's beyond drama and beyond what needs to be filmed. Like this actually needs to be, there needs to be a change. There needs to be help. Like I think they genuinely wanted the best for their friend and everyone involved, including the children, which most of them have posted about. The Drama Drop: Yes. Hmm? ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah, for sure. think once there's kids involved, I feel like that just changes everything that much more because it's no longer about you and what you want and you wish you could make it work with somebody that honest, like that becomes a mute point because there's kids involved. You have to think of, wow, as much as I wish I could make this work with somebody, you can't, it's not gonna work. like it's not gonna be like, you can't even like that's besides the point. ⁓ Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: So with this meeting though, which I thought was pretty interesting. So with the meeting, there were three Disney executives, including a gentleman named Rob Mills, who is the executive vice president of the unscripted and alternative entertainment at Walt Disney Television. So they had this meeting and all of the cast members, like the women, they're just calling the situation concerning, unsettling. They wanna know why no one... is really wanting to know more details. You know, what I'm gathering, it's like they're kind of turning a blind eye of like, what I don't know, I don't know, you know? yes, which, mean, kudos to these women. You know, they're like, that is really concerning. Why do you not want to know these details? Tara Miller: Yeah, play the fifth. Yeah. Yeah, it's like they're not concerned for the well-being of the individuals. They're just concerned about the entertainment value. It sounds like, yeah. The Drama Drop: Absolutely, absolutely. And it's like, comes to a point, it's like, sure, we all love messy reality TV, but when does it get to be, okay, this is too much. Everybody needs to take a step back and really focus on what's important here. ⁓ At the meeting, one of the cast members asked Mills if he's aware that she's hurt a child question mark. He replied, I don't think for us getting into it is right. Which, Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: I think that is a crazy statement. ⁓ Yeah. And then another crazy statement that was, you know, said he encouraged cast members to speak out about their concerns on the show, but declined to promise that they wouldn't be cut in edits. So basically, yeah, sure. If you have any concerns, like go ahead, we can talk about it on the show. Tara Miller: Gosh, yeah. The Drama Drop: can't guarantee that it's gonna make the error and it's why, you know? It's like, why are we protecting this so much? mean, mm-hmm. Tara Miller: Yeah, it's because they're like profiting off of the pain, which is like you said, there's a line that needs to be drawn. And I'm glad this discussion is being had in the world of entertainment versus like, okay, there's a line to where entertainment gets to be a cry for help or a warning sign or something that needs to be taken seriously because yes, it's these people's lives and they signed up to be filmed. But I also think those people in power need to have the wherewithal. The Drama Drop: Right. Tara Miller: to understand what's best for the long run, not just for the short run. What's best for the long run is having people that are healthy and able to have healthy relationships, still communicate, still have drama. where it got for me, honestly, over these last couple days is I've seen so much online and everyone's like, ⁓ I'm scared Taylor's gonna quit TV. And for me, I was like, I'm not scared this girl's gonna quit TV. The Drama Drop: Yes. Mm-hmm. Tara Miller: Like my concern was for her as a ⁓ living human being. Like, and just get like even tingles thinking about that. And so yeah. ⁓ The Drama Drop: I know that when you said it, I got chills, honestly. And me and my husband talked about that too. He would, he even was just like, I'm honestly scared for her wellbeing. Cause I mean, we've seen it since season one. It's very clear. She has a lot of, you know, mental illness and you know, like she's just not well that, ⁓ yeah. So it's like, this could easily be something that would just could take her over the edge. And that, yeah, it's like TV was my last thought. Like honestly. Yeah. Tara Miller: Yeah, she's fighting demons in her head. Yeah, like exactly. Like a few days ago, I saw a Good Morning America clip where she was on and of course the lady's asking about the recent DV things and Taylor's doing her best to answer. God bless her. She's like in a horrible life state and she's having to do all this press because it's literally part of her contract, I'm sure. And the fact that like her answer was, and I remember these words like clear as day, it just feels like the end of the world right now. And like that is not a light statement. It's so heavy and it's so sad. The Drama Drop: It's so sad, it's so sad. I just was thinking about it yesterday, like with everything I just kept feeling, I was like, I feel so like heavy, like everything feels so heavy. Even my husband, he was like, this just feels really dark. And I was sitting there thinking too, cause I know she was supposed to be on Jimmy Fallon and that got canceled. And I just was thinking, I was like, Tara Miller: Yeah, I saw that. The Drama Drop: ⁓ my gosh, I hope she has like at least her mom there with her because I can just only imagine the spiral that's happening right now. It's just one thing after another. And yeah, and her sister, like I just hope she has somebody there that's as much as they probably want to be upset or get onto her of like you shouldn't have made some of these decisions. I just hope that they were really there for her because yeah, it just seemed very dark. So I was definitely with you on that of. Tara Miller: Yeah, and her sister. The Drama Drop: I'm not worried about like, ⁓ gosh, what's gonna happen for the future of just entertainment. It's more of like, what's gonna happen to her? ⁓ Cause this was just, this was just a lot. And then on top of it, you you have not only your careers, this is all falling apart. obviously you're having, you're dealing with the law, you're dealing with the custody of your children. And then it's like your friends now are to the point where it's like, we've tried to help you. Tara Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. The Drama Drop: now it's to the point where it's like, okay, like I know they obviously care about her. So we can say that. But it's to the point where it's like, we're scared of, like you should be scared of yourself. Like we are putting this out because something has to be done. And it has to be taken very seriously in order for somebody to realize like, oh wow, like this can't be overlooked anymore. Tara Miller: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's the hard part too, is like, think Taylor is probably well aware of what she's done. It's like, it's probably more glaringly obvious to her than anyone else. And I'm sure she beats herself up internally about it, which feeds into like a negative self image, which feeds into a negative mindset and those like worrying thoughts in the mind. But I feel like, like in a perfect world, which obviously I don't know either of them, but in a perfect world, you would just be like, man, Taylor and Dakota need to literally have a cold cut from each other and not see each other or talk to each other for months, but the hard part is they do have a child together. So unless they're enlisting parents or aunts and uncles or cousins to like do the handoff and exchange, like they're bound to make communication with each other. And it just seems like anytime they are together, it just ends up bad. The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. I know. Yeah. I And I did read somewhere, I don't know the exact source, but I did read somewhere that they were at the point of they were having like a third party helping with, obviously they, that not stopping, like they're still trying to see each other obviously. I, so I think one, I'm curious, do you think had the girls not really made a stance in, okay, we're not gonna film anymore. would this, would we still be having the bachelor at coming up? Tara Miller: That's a great question. actually think The Bachelorette being canceled is totally a different story than Secret Lives Mormon Wives season five being paused on recording. I think for sure the girls coming together and being like, we need to discuss this is what caused Secret Lives Mormon Wives five to be put on pause because I think they're wanting her to get to a healthy place and think about it. It's been paused before like season one, they were filming, right? They paused, they resumed like they've experienced this before. The Drama Drop: Yeah. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yes, yes, mm-hmm. Tara Miller: But I think Dakota, obviously, leaking the footage from 2023 to TMZ or however what source made it that to get there, I think that footage is what ultimately kind of forced the hand of ABC to cancel the bachelorette because like you said, they were aware of it. Everyone online is like, they do expensive extensive background checks, they know. The Drama Drop: Yes. Absolutely. Tara Miller: and psychological checks, like they know who they're getting into, but they chose the, I don't know, like the audience, the reach, her huge community to help their ratings over making sure that she was in a healthy place to go on this dating journey. I mean, we saw it at the end of season four, like my husband and I were laying in bed last night talking about this, and we were like, okay, you we're married, but hypothetically, if I was going on a dating show, what would I be doing? The Drama Drop: Yeah. Tara Miller: to prepare myself, like I'd probably be doing a lot of journaling, like time by myself, like these are the qualities I'm looking for, these might be some intentional questions I ask, but instead she was fighting with and sleeping with Dakota and going into that experience with that head space, literally couldn't be a worse start. The Drama Drop: Mm hmm. Right. I know. I know it was really, it was just such a hard watch on season four. ⁓ Cause obviously we see how it ended. mean her going back and forth with Dakota and you know, it was a huge topic of conversation of like, we need to get her ready for the bachelorette. We need to get her mindset right. We need her to no longer attach herself to this man and find someone who will treat her like, know, be in a healthy relationship. And obviously up until the very last minute, she's still dealing with this man. And then, so it's just crazy. So like, let's take it back for a little bit though, before that video got dropped, okay? Whenever I saw that filming was put on paused because of these, this like new DV allegation thing, immediately I was like, wow. Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: I was like, I didn't see the video yet, but I was like already questioning if the ABC was gonna pull the show because I was like, you know, I feel like the Bachelorette works so hard to not know how, have any spoilers out there, not know who the girl picks at the end or the guy who they pick at the end. And I'm like, if we're dealing, like this show is about to air and if we're dealing with something in February where she's still like, Tara Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah. The Drama Drop: obviously very emotionally involved with Dakota and doing all of that. Does it even matter anymore? And it's like, since this is not even just like, ⁓ Taylor was spotted with Dakota. It was a whole allegation and a DV situation and charges police are involved. I was like, ⁓ no, like, are they going to pull it just for the sake of that or at least push it? But then again, at the same time, it's like, okay, again, her going to him. And like you said, Tara Miller: Yeah. Mmm. The Drama Drop: And my mind, it's so layered. My mind went to, okay, well, she does have to see him. You know, they do have a shared child. But then I saw, okay, well, they were having a third party involved with drop off and pick up and all that stuff. It's like, there's way to avoid that. ⁓ But I'm like, if so, did she end up with some obviously it's it didn't go according to the plan if this is happening now. So it's like, what's the point of the bachelorette? Tara Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and like, exactly. Well, and like a few days, I'm, I'm not on TikTok, so I think this is on TikTok. I don't know. I saw it on Instagram yesterday, but it said like on March, I'm gonna get the date wrong, but it was like March 14th or 15th or something recently, like at the end of last week. Okay, girl, you've got the timeline, get it? When she was seen out in public with Doug, which is like the biggest no-no in Bachelor. Like, okay, I... The Drama Drop: 16th. I have it, have it, yep. Mm-hmm. Tara Miller: Gonna be honest, I haven't watched the Bachelor franchise in well over a decade, but I know they have secret planned meetups and you can't show your guys' faces in public and they'll even be very secretive about which airport they're flying into because they don't want to see this front runner guy at her airport or whatever. So the fact that they were both seen getting out of a car, just walking in the street into a place or whatever, I wondered, because I've been reading, ⁓ she breached ABC's contract. The Drama Drop: Right. Right. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. Tara Miller: Was that the breach of contract? Like that they were seen in public together or is it something else we don't know about? But the fact that they were seen in public together, was like, to me, I had two questions. I was like, one, did she get seen in public with him and that triggered Dakota so much that he was angry enough to leak the video? Or was this like they had to meet up and like do some more voiceover stuff for the Bachelorette, but then still why would they? The Drama Drop: Yeah. Right. right. Tara Miller: be seen in public, why wouldn't it have been so discreet? Like, I don't understand. How do you interpret that, them being seen in public together? The Drama Drop: Yeah, so similar to you, like I don't really, I think I've only watched one Bachelorette season a couple of seasons ago. So I've never been on the franchise, but see, here's what's crazy. This was, I was so ready for this Bachelorette, like them casting her, I was like 10 toes deep. Like I was ready to go. I was so excited. And I thought that that was a lot of people, know, I mean, now obviously it's like, oh yeah, I guess maybe the writing could have been on the wall, but. Tara Miller: Same. The Drama Drop: I thought she would have been very entertaining. I mean, we even talked about it. We were like, she'll give these men a run for their money, you know, with the mindset of us thinking she's like cleansed herself of Dakota, of she'll be like, okay, I'm not going to deal with your BS. Like I'm here for XYZ, like, you know, my kids and I don't want to mess around. I was so ready for it. Yes. No, you're good. Yeah, exactly. Tara Miller: Yes! Yeah. We were looking forward to like her calling out guys on their bullshit, BS and being like, you don't love me, we just met, you know? Like we were looking forward, cause the Bachelor franchise, at least like when I used to watch it over a decade ago, was so over romanticized and over fantasized and people being like, you're my person, I love you. And we'd like just know each other's first name. And I feel like people fell out of love with the franchise because of how unrealistic it is. And I think she was gonna bring heavy doses of reality to it. The Drama Drop: Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Tara Miller: No matter what. The Drama Drop: Yep, absolutely. So, you know, my thought was, mean, I don't, I've never heard of any leaks before, you know, like I've just, least just, mean, granted, I never really watched it, but you know, I feel like something like that, like even if I'm not watching, like that would be a headline of like, ⁓ you know, spoiler, you know. ⁓ So with all, like, I just was so confused. I was like, what is going on? Like, Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: What is she doing? And then I kind of a little bit, thought I was like, maybe there's some sort of intertwining of filming the secret lives of Mormon. Like there's just some like loose ends kind of just similar to what you were saying of just, you know, like it literally could be anything. ⁓ So was trying really not to look too deep into that, but just obviously with the police report and everything going on. ⁓ Tara Miller: That's a fair point. The Drama Drop: I was like, okay, I learned very quickly that this was a recent development. And so I was like, all right, so any result of what happened with the bachelorette is kind of null and void because my mind is like, okay, even if she picks somebody, they're quote unquote going to get married, probably not anymore. Cause he's gonna be like, why are you so still emotionally, like what is all of it? It just was so messy. again, I was like, regardless of the outcome, I just don't think Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: I mean, trust me, I was still going to watch it, but I mean, it was not going to be exciting anymore. Tara Miller: Same. No, because of all the spoilers, number one, and the fact that we know she's already back in the cycle of fighting with Dakota. So we know for like, in terms of season four, like it didn't work, you know? they were almost treating The Bachelorette as like a fix-it pill or something for her. And I don't necessarily think that like that whole production's goal is to ⁓ be a fix-it pill. I think there's, and everyone knows this. She even knows this. Like there's self-work that has to be done. And like, I think she gets so angry at herself because she is The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes, yes! Right. Tara Miller: trapped in that cycle and she just can't get out of it. And she thought, ⁓ maybe being on The Bachelorette, being away, that'll get me out of the cycle. But to meet all of these wonderful men, like I thought, okay, maybe it won't break her out of the cycle, but maybe it'll open her eyes to the other types of guys that are out there. And she'll like, maybe, yeah, not get married, but maybe she'll, like the veil would be lifted off her eyes. And she's like, ⁓ there are X, Y, and Z guys out there. And yes, I think she's learned that and knows that, but there's something that is just, The Drama Drop: Right. Yeah. Absolutely. Tara Miller: Captivated in her by Dakota, and I don't know if it's that they do have a child together if that's a big chunk of it I don't know it's so hard to explain, but I agree with you. I would have watched and I would have been like Kind of like this sucks. I know what happens, but like I'm also curious what happens The Drama Drop: Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, it's just, it's so much. so obviously like this is ongoing and I don't know. Tara Miller: Yeah, it's supposed to air in two days. Like, what are they gonna do with that time slot? Like, is Jesse Palmer gonna come on and be like, okay, America, we need to have a talk. We were all planning for this. Or did they just give up the time slot completely to someone else? Like, who's filling that? The Drama Drop: I know, I know that I will be really curious for, but yeah, for sure. I I wonder if they'll just have some sort of just like ABC special on just like, we're sorry that this is going on. I really have no idea. I know. Tara Miller: We'll tune in. Those poor editors that are like, first of all, we're getting fired because we don't have anything to edit, and second of all, do we have to create some type of apology or fill in the blanks for America? Because I do feel like there is so much questions. I've heard from everyone but ABC about it being canceled. I checked ABC's Instagram. I know their Warner Bros. head spokesman delivered an address to the people somewhere in Invisible Land, but on the internet... The Drama Drop: Yeah. Tara Miller: We see news articles on Us Weekly, we see it everywhere, but I'm like, I'm going to Bachelorette's Instagram, I'm going to Bachelor Instagram, I'm going to all the things and like, it's just, like there was a post eight hours ago and then nothing. I'm like, you confirm it? ABC, Bachelor Instagram? The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. Yeah. know. I know. I know. And it's just so interesting because you know, I feel like there's a lot of finger pointing here too. It's like, well, why'd you pick her like, yada yada yada just because you know, obviously, and I want to ask you this too. So do you think like, okay, they obviously had to take action one way or another with after this video getting released, which we'll talk more about Tara Miller: Yes. The Drama Drop: that but like we'll just stick with Bachelorette right now. ⁓ I think, I mean, do we think companies truly care about ethics or morals, or is it more just like, yeah, we're gonna lose a bunch of money, that sucks, but it'll be way worse if we keep this on air and getting the backlash versus just like, yeah, we have to unfortunately make a statement, we're gonna lose a lot of money and make a lot of people upset because we're gonna have to be like, And then, but it's like, I mean, there was no way they could have not have canceled the season, right? But do we think it's solely just for optics or do we think truly somebody is like, no, this is important? like, do know what I mean? Because it's, I don't think we've ever had this situation before. Tara Miller: Never in my life have I heard of one of these types of reality shows get canceled mere days, hours before it's supposed to release. Like this is unprecedented events. I've never seen it before. I don't know how they proceed. I obviously own a small business. I've never worked at a large corporation, but I can only imagine from what I've been reading online is like they hired a crisis PR team. Like they were doing everything they could do to try to save it because they have millions and millions invested. The Drama Drop: Right? Mm-hmm. Hmm. Right. Tara Miller: I read online it takes about $2 million per episode to fund the thing. And then there's also like advertisers for commercials and then advertising placements for like the hotels they stay at, the airlines they use. Like there's so many dollars involved that I think when, well, it wasn't Dunkin Donuts, Cinnabon, was it? Cinnabon was the first sponsor that like pulled. I think that was another tip of the iceberg for the corporation of Disney, Hulu, Warner Bro, whoever it is. The Drama Drop: Right? Yeah. Yeah. Tara Miller: because if they start losing those like investment relationships, that could have verbal effects into their future. But with all that being said, at the end of the day, we hope that these corporations care about the individuals that they're putting on their show. And also my first thought was I've seen comments online about them seeing if they have legal grounds to sue Taylor. And I'm like, first of all, The Drama Drop: Right? Right. Yes. Absolutely. Tara Miller: How dare you, you guys hired her and you knew who you were hiring. Maybe you just realized you bit off more than you can chew. That's not on her, that's on you guys. Like you were aware of 2023, you've done psychological evals, you signed up for her. So don't you dare sue that woman. That's the last thing she needs right now. The Drama Drop: I have thoughts. was like, mm-hmm, yep. Right. I go. Yeah. Mm hmm. No, I completely agree. was thinking about that because people were saying left and right. I mean, I guess it depends on the contract, whatever, but they could sue her, they could probably sue her, blah, blah, blah. But I'm sorry, she just wasn't just some random Joe Schmo. Her whole situation is very public. We can't act like this is all brand new. Granted, we're seeing a little bit more to the story of it, but this was a known thing. You see, there hasn't been a single season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives where she's been in a very stable position. So you kind of knew what you were signing up for. You knew the liability. Like, yeah, she was gonna drag in an audience for sure, but. Mm-hmm. Tara Miller: 100%. Yeah. That's what they wanted. They wanted to use her for her following. And this is how it feels from an outsider looking. They wanted to use her for her following and they didn't really care about her mental state or the result of this. they just wanted to use her and that is so heartbreaking and sad. The Drama Drop: I know, Tara Miller: Yeah, I feel so bad for her. Obviously, I mean, I feel bad for the people who work for Bachelorette too, because there's sound people, there's audio visual people, there's lighting people, there's stylists, there's makeup artists, like so many people dedicated time and I hope they got paid. I'm sure they did, but it is hard to like be a part of something so big and not see it come through ⁓ fruition. The Drama Drop: Oh, for sure, for sure. It's really just a very sad situation. I I know you said that, yeah, like ABC hasn't officially, like I haven't seen anything officially, but I just thought, and I wanna read this quote, well, just, know, a spokesperson for Paul, Taylor Franke Paul, that was said in a statement obtained by People, ⁓ Taylor is very grateful for ABC support as she prioritizes her family's safety and security. After years of silently suffering extensive mental and physical abuse, as well as threats of retaliation, Taylor is finally gaining the strength to face her accuser and taking steps to ensure that she and her children are protected from any further harm. The statement continued, are too many women who are suffering in silence as they survive aggressive. jealous ex-partners who refuse to let them move on with their lives. Taylor has remained silent out of fear of further abuse, retaliation, and public shaming. She's currently exploring all of her options, seeking support and preparing to own and share her story. ⁓ And then I'll just follow it up with, know, Dakota. He later said in a statement to people that this is a deeply upsetting situation. I am unfortunately used to these baseless claims about me and our relationship, which I categorically deny. I am focusing on our son and his safety and I hope that Taylor will do the same. I just, so two things can be true. I mean, obviously we know their relationship is not great. Like not saying Dakota is perfect by any means. Unfortunately for Taylor, we don't have any visual physical proof of seeing anything physically that he's done. And that's where it's Tara Miller: Yes. Mm-hmm. The Drama Drop: just unfortunate for her because... at least which in the video was just so sickening and so hard to watch. was made my stomach turn like that. It's one thing to read the police report, read, you know, throwing chairs. It's one thing to read it, but, or even hear somebody retell it, but to actually see that, that was worse than anything that I could have dreamt up or imagined or have thought. And, and honestly, the way they continue, you know, cause like you said, that's how season one all started. Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: I'll never forget when I heard that the series was going to become a thing. And then all of sudden it was paused. Like it was taking forever because of, because of the situation. And then obviously we watch it unfold, then everything, I mean, nothing was perfect, but then everything just carried on. You know, no one was ever just like, Whoa, are we just going to glaze over what just happened? You know, Dakota just kind of kept going along. you know, obviously there was something that happened, but it like that just video was just way more than I ever thought that it was. Tara Miller: Yeah. Yeah. The Drama Drop: Like I said, unfortunately for her, we don't have any other visual proof of her being on the receiving end of that. Not saying that that would make what she did okay by any means, but it's like, you're now kind of saying like, ⁓ I'm abused. I've been this, know, I was trying to, know, whatever. That's just not what that video looked like. And... Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: It's just really, it's just a really unfortunate situation because I'm sure like, like I said, Dakota is not perfect. There's probably a lot of back and forth, you know, you can feed off of each other's energy. I'm sure they both kind of go tit for tat and he probably knows what can rile her up. I mean, that was very clear in season four. ⁓ so, and you know, obviously. Exact. Yes. Tara Miller: Yeah. Yes. He did it in two seconds with Harry. He's like, I'm gonna be cool and be his friend and that's gonna piss her off more than what she's trying to do to piss me off. Yeah, they know each other so well. I have a question for you. What are your thoughts on Dakota keeping that video from 2023? I'm like scared that he's been holding it over her head this whole time. The Drama Drop: Yeah. ⁓ huh. Okay, yeah. So when I, ⁓ you know, the word in the statement like retaliation, that's kind of where my mind goes is, okay, how does she know that he just like has this video and at any point, you know, he could show other people leak it. ⁓ I really I have ⁓ no idea. It's I go back and on the timing of it all is very suspicious. Granted, you know, the premiere of The Bachelorette. However, when I then see that a new case has been opened up as of end of February, beginning of March, all doing like, you know, we're still in March. So that whole new thing, I'm like, okay, is it just poor timing on when the new situation happened? Or Tara Miller: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Do you think it was Dakota doing his last minute resort? Like, I'm gonna intentionally pick a fight with Taylor. I know how to push her buttons. I wanna get her hot and heated and have something come of it because he knows that could have a ripple effect to cause it. I don't know. That's where my negative mind would go. If I'm thinking worst case scenario, he is intentionally pushing her buttons days before to make a scene. The Drama Drop: ⁓ That's a good thought. That's a really good thought. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Tara Miller: I don't know what the other argument would be, but my mind, like my pessimistic mind goes there. The Drama Drop: Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, yeah, that's a very valid thought because again, the timing, it's just so coincidental. before this video even dropped, she had made a statement to, I believe it was Good Morning America. She mentioned, I had never had a good premiere experience. And let me pause there because I will never forget, and I've been seeing on TikTok, people will, they're so good. They'll resurface old things so quickly. But I remember listening to this in real time, the Nick Viall files, like the Viall files, his podcast, and he had, I believe it was Macy Layla. It was just them two. And Taylor was also supposed to be on it, but she didn't make it and they were very open. They said she got in a fight with Dakota. Like that's why she's not here. Like he just ruins everything for her. So it's like even a year ago, this was a thing. This was a reality. Tara Miller: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He has a pattern, it's his MO at this point. The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. Like this isn't just like something brand new and like these girls are saying like again It was a year ago and like I was just working listening to the podcast and I was like, ⁓ interesting and then here it comes full circle This is happening again, and I don't know if Taylor knew That the video was gonna drop like maybe there's maybe before something leaks like some people that are involved maybe get like a hey just so just a heads up like this is about like I don't know how that part works in terms of like entertainment like when you're a part of it and you're in that world or if they experience it real time. she said, and this was before, like I said, the video even dropped that, I've never had a good premiere experience. so, and then here we are, this video drops and all of the timing. It's just so bizarre. I don't know. there could, and I don't know, there's... Tara Miller: Mm-hmm. The Drama Drop: Kids are involved. so it's just even more like you just hate to see that be the situation. And feel like I sound like a broken record, but he obviously isn't perfect. So there's obviously something and you know, people are saying like, was that a reaction to something? at the end of the day, ⁓ what we have the video of you can't, you can't even like remotely defend that, which is the unfortunate situation. Tara Miller: Yeah. No, no. And another thing, you bringing up full circle moments. Another full circle moment that I saw recently on social media was when they flashed back to the Saints and Sinners party when all the girls were backstage and Demi was like, well, I'm not gonna bring up your stuff. And she's like, do it, go ahead. And Demi's like, well, let's talk about how you treat your boyfriend. He's like, sure, go get him. And Demi's like, Demi's like, no, I'm not gonna do that because like your kids are involved and Taylor's just like. You know, like what, and Demi's was like, I felt like being the bigger person by everyone knew that she didn't bring it up. It was common knowledge, but it was kind of being swept under the rug. And Demi like barely attempted to speak about it. And I don't know, like the dynamics also with the show. And I wonder your thoughts too. I feel like not that the girls are muzzled, but I feel like what they say on social media and what they say in general is like, so it feels so monitored at, at some point, like, and I know. The Drama Drop: Mm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Tara Miller: This is minor, but I've heard things in the past where they're like, ⁓ yeah, we couldn't even post our Halloween costumes until after the season came out and stuff like that. Which is wow, because if think about the Kardashians, who Jeff Jenkins' production did previously, those girls shared their Halloween costumes and they didn't care when the episodes were coming out. They had that freedom and I don't know if it's because it was in their contract or because they were executive producers, which... The Drama Drop: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Tara Miller: It says all the girls are now, but then in every interview you see, they're like, yeah, that was news to me. Like, I don't know what that means. And I'm like, the production company, I don't think is like explaining things thoroughly to them. I don't know what type of entertainment lawyers they have, but they seem to be kind of in the dark about the executive producer title. And I just feel like they should be able to like, I mean, I'm glad they stood up for themselves like they did here in season five, but. The Drama Drop: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Tara Miller: There's just so many questions about how are these girls being treated, you know? The Drama Drop: right. what's I mean, it even kind of goes back to that article that I read with the Rob Mills saying, you can say what you want, but I won't promise that it'll make the cut. ⁓ And I actually was listening to a podcast off the vine with Caitlin Bristow, which, ironically enough, she was on The Bachelorette. She was she was there ⁓ at that special episode, ⁓ you know, kind of sending Taylor off. So she's been really involved. She's been interviewing all the secret lives women, obviously, you this is a new development. So I'll be so curious to see like what comes of it ⁓ in the future. Tara Miller: Yeah, and she knows firsthand like ABC's background checks and psych evals and like all their requirements and like what would be breaching a contract, what would not be breaching the contract. Like she knows all of that. She's a wealth of knowledge, I'm sure. The Drama Drop: ⁓ yeah. Right. Yes, she was asked. So she interviewed Miranda. And you know, she just kind of brought up, know, like, ⁓ my gosh, like, that's so exciting. You guys are executive producers now. Like, so do you guys now get like a say in like what makes it what doesn't? Miranda said, no. So these girls. Yeah. So it's like, OK, was it just for optics? Is it just for on paper? Like, they're just getting to say that they're the executive producer and. Tara Miller: Yeah, I saw Jen say something similar. The Drama Drop: I mean, it's no secret that, you know, they say Taylor is the leader of Mom Talk. What is going to be what is going to come of the show like without her? Like we need her. You can kind of it's like we need her to be well in order to lead Mom Talk, which is so funny to me because I'm like all these girls, I see leadership in them all individually. Like I feel like they all can hold their own. Like they don't necessarily quote need a leader. Like, yes, they are very thankful that Taylor got them the platform that they did to at least be able to Tara Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah, 100%. The Drama Drop: like grow in entertainment or whatever business that they want to do. But it is very obvious that like she's the forefront and whatever situation like we need that to fit the narrative. So it's kind of like, okay, we can't ruffle feathers ⁓ for her. it's like, we'll allow like what she's willing to share. in terms of something that could technically be cancelable or fireable, like maybe we don't because Tara Miller: Mm. Yeah. The Drama Drop: is it, you I was thinking too, my, like the wheels were turning. It's like all that kind of was happening, but we very quickly had to shift to Demi being a villain. You know? Yeah. Tara Miller: And yes, can we talk about that for one second? Like know our point of this podcast is the SOS emergency, like what's happened in the last 24 hours, but just the way Demi was treated and edited in season four was like blasphemous. Like they were like, and Demi, what are your thoughts? And then they show an empty couch in crickets and it's like, okay, you guys obviously demoted her, number one, when she was the one who was like sticking up for them and advocating for them, like, hey, we all deserve more money. The Drama Drop: Yeah. Yeah. Tara Miller: Not only do they demote her, they make her look bad with like the singing and the empty confessionals and like they're going out of their way, it feels like, to, yeah, to heap on villainism of Demi, which I feel like my first thought was if the girls are executive producers and they have any say in this, like they would have had to okay that. And like that seems sketchy and low, but it seems like they didn't have any say in approving. So then it was literally the production. So, and production to me, The Drama Drop: Right. kind of making a mockery of her, ⁓ Yeah. Tara Miller: is like the person in power. And so the person in power, like poking at like the little person who was the talent is just so vile to me. I'm like, if I were to me, I would have left too. Like that is not how anyone wants to be treated. And there's no amount of money that you could take to be like, yeah, treat me however. Like who would in the right mind would do that? The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. honestly. Absolutely. And honestly, it's funny. Like she probably is just feeling like so happy that she made the decision when she did to not continue and all that. Like I have been listening to her on other podcasts that she's been on and she just seems like it is so much better headspace. And that makes me so happy for her. like, and these podcasts obviously were filmed before all this stuff has dropped. But so, but even more so it's like before it Tara Miller: validating. Yeah. The Drama Drop: not that she would ever be preying on anybody's downfall, just like that her obviously being in a better head space before any of this dropped to not even be like, ⁓ I'm in a better head space now because I'm seeing all this. You know what I mean? It's like that was already obviously it seemed to be established before all of this stuff dropped. ⁓ But so yeah, it almost makes you wonder of, cause that Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: scene of her saying like, ⁓ you like you hurt people like whatever. I took that very much of hurting people by like your words. ⁓ You're just your attitude towards them. Your coldness may be like, not it. Not anything like, yeah, literal. So it's just kind of crazy. ⁓ And I wonder too, you know, with Taylor being so confident to be like, what say it like her knowing like, well, it doesn't matter. say whatever you want, like, Tara Miller: literal. Yeah. The Drama Drop: it's not gonna make like production will fix it however they need to. ⁓ Absolutely. I mean, I think it's really, I mean, I'm sure it wasn't easy, but I do think it is really big of the women to make that decision. Like, obviously everything has just grown more tremendously for with whatever they wanna do because of the show. Tara Miller: Yeah, they'll protect her because they're protecting their best interests, which is the show continuing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The Drama Drop: But I mean, you can clearly see at the end of season four, they were so exhausted with everything that they were doing with Taylor. It's like they were being so supportive of her. They were really trying to help her. I mean, a person can only handle so much as a friend. I mean, the scene of them going to her house being like, Taylor, come on, like get to the bachelorette. And her just like screaming at them being like, yeah, like I'm effing sick. I was like, my gosh, like I love my friends to death. No, exactly. It's like if. Tara Miller: for girls. Yes. literal. Like no one gives me any space. I'm tired. Yeah, and not Jessie being like, well, you had time for Dakota and you don't have time for us. The Drama Drop: Exactly. It's like, I love my friends to death, if any one of them like, well, one, would just never even our wildest dreams talk to each other like that. if they, if that was ever a situation, absolutely not. So I don't blame them for being just like, this is insane. This is ridiculous. And then for this to be like a new development in the midst of filming, I could just see them being absolutely fed up. Tara Miller: Yeah. Yes, and that made me think of a hundred percent. And that made me think of her mom. Like these girls have been in Taylor's life for X amount of time, whatever that is. But Taylor's mom has been in her life for her whole life. that I like flash back to that scene on the park bench when Taylor was like, you know, trying not to tell her mom that she had just slept with Dakota in wherever the trip was. And she's like, I can see it in your eyes already. You're already like. The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. Hmm. Tara Miller: looking down on me, you're already thinking I'm disgusting and like all this stuff, which half is projection and half probably is true because her mom has been doing it for decades of like, I want the best for you. I want you to not hurt. I want you to not choose these things that hurt you, but you keep choosing them over and over and over. And like, I do think there is a point where you, when you love someone so much, like I'm trying to put myself in her shoes. Like if my son kept self-sabotaging himself, like yes, it would break my heart, but at a point you do get frustrated because you're like, The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. Yes. Tara Miller: You know what's best for you, I know what's best for you, and you just don't choose it. And no one can help you but yourself. And that's also a really hard place to be, I think, as a parent, as a person, as a friend, as the sister. Everyone's kind of like, we've done all we can do. There's nothing physically in our control that we can physically possibly do to help you anymore. The Drama Drop: No, without a doubt, I completely agree 100%. We're seeing so many people feeling so outraged by her mom's reaction and just being like, ⁓ my gosh, like, ⁓ her mom, like she's just like her whatever. But I mean, I'll speak on personal experience. Like I am a huge fan of tough love. Like it comes to a point, like you have to be like, all right, like I can only console you so much or like whatever. like rules are kind of reversed, like in a personal sense, like I've had to do that with my mom before of. Tara Miller: I get it, yeah. The Drama Drop: I have to give this woman tough love because she's just not getting it. Like there is just, you could coddle somebody, you can be as sweet, whatever. But if you're just seeing them time and time again, self-destruct and make poor decisions, I can't hold your hand anymore. can't baby you anymore because to you, that's how you're clearly handling things. Like you don't take my advice and my love and support and being like, ⁓ thank you. Tara Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah. The Drama Drop: to that safe space to then be able to grow. You're almost using it as like, ⁓ I can make as many mistakes as I want. I can keep self-sabotaging. can keep making terrible decisions. And you're just gonna cuddle me at the end of the day and say it's okay when it's not. Tara Miller: Yeah. A crutch. Keep showing up, yes. And I think that's why at the airport her sister was like, tell her that, know, mom was gonna be done, I'm gonna be done like watching her kids. Cause I think her sister's her full-time nanny. And then she's like the aunt who's her personal assistant, she's gonna be done. Like she started naming off all these people in the support system that are like, we're gonna be done. Like if you don't get your crap together and get to the bachelorette and it's like, ugh. The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. ⁓ my gosh. Yeah. Yep, absolutely. And I completely agreed with it. Like I know I saw people that they were like, ⁓ my gosh, why is she behaving like, like you said, her mom has spent her whole life with her obviously. So it's like, you reached to a certain point of like, I don't know how else to get through to you. Maybe it's anger that gets through to you. Maybe like, and obviously she used her words. Like she wasn't like saying, like, I just thought it was a very just stern, tough, and obviously you saw like, it was like she felt the pain. of Taylor putting herself through, like she was crying. Like she was like, ⁓ I just want so much better for you. It wasn't like she was like whipping her around, like throwing her by her hair, like throwing, like saying all these F you or what, like it was very much like, why would you do this? Like, ⁓ like I am so upset because I just want so much more for you. And like, you are putting yourself in this position. Like how can I get you to not do this? And so, Tara Miller: Yeah. cares. Yeah. Yes. The Drama Drop: And obviously, and that's kind of how we almost left the season with her friends being like that, like her going to her house and and Jessie was like, I literally don't even know what to do anymore. So, oh, for sure. Tara Miller: Yeah, it has to feel defeating for all parties involved. Taylor that she keeps falling into this trap, repeating this same cycle, and the friends and the family that keep trying to support, keep trying to be there for her, but it gets to a point where it's like, what more can you do? It's like, feels like a lose-lose. And to me, the only solution is like what we've already said. Like we've said, her and Dakota literally need to be separated, because of the kid ever, bless his heart, like. The Drama Drop: Mm hmm. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Tara Miller: I feel for him in this whole situation, as I'm sure everyone does, growing up around that amount of stress and sadness, they say the biggest indicator of ⁓ child depression is the mother's happiness. And zero through five is when the most brain development happens and how children will view themselves for the rest of their life. And so it's just like these ramifications are like, yes, there's a TV show or two happening, but like... The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hmm. Ugh. It's so bad. Right. Tara Miller: This is also a child's arrest of his life and like we need the mama to be in a healthy place. Like does she need to check into some type of rehab that's like, ⁓ who was it? There was someone who checked into like an intensive rehab, not Alex Cooper. What's the other Alex, Alex Bennett after her divorce? ⁓ Yeah, yeah. She like checked into some like, I can't remember what it's called, like some sanctuary type place. And she didn't have like drug or alcohol addictions but she was in a really, really, really low. The Drama Drop: Really? I didn't know that. Okay. Okay, I didn't know that. Tara Miller: mental place after her divorce and like you can stay for months or whatever. It's very expensive, but I mean, it like she came out. That's the vibe. That's 100%. You know, you're on it. Yeah. And I'm like, Taylor needs something like that. Like some like literal Dakota, but also like toxicity cycle detox and focus. Like she knows the steps. She does the retreats. She goes to therapy. She has the journaling book. She has her faith. Like she knows the steps and she... The Drama Drop: ⁓ yeah, I'm sure. Like a luxury spa almost of just like detoxing your brain. yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tara Miller: does her best to implement them. It's just this Dakota keeps cracking through her walls that she's trying to build up and she can't fully form the protective layer around her or something. I don't know. The Drama Drop: know. that leads me to my next thing because this point, actually, think right before we jumped on, saw, I'll go into, you know, Dakota obviously went to the courts to file a restraining order. And I think it became the key ended up getting custody, full custody, at least until the end of April, I think that literally like just got released right before we jumped on. things are literally developing as we go. But Tara Miller: Hmm. The Drama Drop: her ex-husband, Tate, which we know really nothing of their situation, but here's my thing too. I don't know what it is about Dakota because unless there's like something within like their divorce decree between ⁓ Taylor and Tate, where she can't talk about anything, but it's like, I've never seen anything between her, never seen Tate come out with anything or the girls ever alluding to anything of this nature happening between her and her ex-husband. Tara Miller: Agreed. The Drama Drop: do know that he obviously like he went to the court too to get, I don't know if it was, it's kind of weird how him and Dakota ended up going to the court around the same time. Timing is very weird, but I could see, I mean, obviously he seems like a very good dad. ⁓ And I think from what I know, cause obviously I know nothing of what their marriage entailed in terms of ⁓ like anger or anything like that, but. Tara Miller: Timing's wild. The Drama Drop: I view that as ⁓ he's being proactive of like, okay, it's clear that she's obviously not well, like that is a very much a well-known thing. And now all this happening, she's gonna be even more not well. I don't even want my kids, there's no room for them even just being around while things get ironed out. Like I'm just gonna go ahead and be proactive and claim for, yeah. Tara Miller: Yes. Yeah, yeah, he's being a papa bear. He saw probably that video of his daughter and he probably was enraged, brokenhearted, all the things and he's like, I need to do something, like I can't do nothing. The Drama Drop: Yeah, like I can't just sit here. I'm like, I just wanna know. with that, like let's just say, in the theoretical sense of nothing of that nature was ever a thing with her ex-husband. No one's ever alluded to like this being a past or repeated pattern with her. It's just so interesting to me that with Dakota, this is just something that cannot be broken. they're just so, they use the term addicted. Tara Miller: Mm. The Drama Drop: to this toxicity and it's just, it's crazy to me. you know, there, I have been seeing things too, people online of, it's not easy to get out of that situation, which yeah, like, you know, when you're in it, you're in it and like things are, but I feel like a lot of those times too, there is a lot more at stake of, yes, they do share a child together. So it's not like they can completely avoid that, but it's not like, you know, it's not like she's relying on him for bills. She's not like, ⁓ well, how am I gonna be able to go get my own place? How am I gonna be able to, like, you know, kind of like having that hold on her of like, ⁓ well, he supports me. He supports our family. Like she's very well capable. Like she's doing that on her own. ⁓ So it's just interesting to me that, I don't know. mean, I just, that this is just sucking them. I mean, not just her, him too, like. Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: than both in this merry-go-round. Like, I just, don't, I don't get it. Tara Miller: Yeah. I don't know. I'm not a scientist, obviously. I own an interior design firm, but I have heard that whatever chemical is the bonding chemical that gets released in your brain, it's only released two times. And one is during sex and two, it's during breastfeeding. And so I can't remember what that chemical is. We'll have to look it up and put it in the little words right here, but it only releases in the... The Drama Drop: NNNGH ⁓ wow. haha Tara Miller: brain during those two things. I feel like just like every time they sleep together, like obviously that chemical gets released and they're just are rebonded and like they keep forming a stronger bond, but it's almost like a trauma bond, which also studies show that like trauma bonds are harder to break than healthy. Like obviously neither of them have like a ⁓ healthy problem. Like they don't have healthy conflict resolution skills. They don't have healthy, ⁓ what is it? Your. The Drama Drop: Ugh. Yeah. No. No. Tara Miller: is that word? they're, attachment style. Obviously neither of them have healthy attachment styles. Like they obviously both need therapy. We're all human. We all make mistakes. We all like struggle and have issues. just one sucks that theirs is being broadcast while she is actually unwell and needs help. And so going back to the point earlier, I am so glad that the girls got a stop to season five. I mean, I'm sure it does feel like, I'm trying to look for the silver lining here. I'm sure it feels like to her. The Drama Drop: Right. Right. All right, absolutely. Yeah. Tara Miller: Bachelorette being canceled is the end of the world, but what if in a hindsight is 2020, what if this is exactly what she needed was like big things like this to come crashing down, be the ultimate eye opener and being like, ⁓ you thought a fun experience was gonna change your mind and make you forget about Dakota and like move on from this past toxic cycle. What if it's like actually your world falling down for your behaviors rather than you continually getting rewarded show after show for it? The Drama Drop: Mm-hmm. Tara Miller: now you're gonna have to face the stuff because like, I think she even said in a quote, like, I've just been so busy lately for the past how many years, I haven't had time to stop and process the hurt of like her first divorce, the swinging scandal, and then the Dakota stuff on top of it. Like that is gonna take months and months and months of therapy to unpack and move past from once she's out of that cycle, let alone trying to heal from it while you're in it. The Drama Drop: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ my gosh, absolutely. it's, think, I mean, this has to be the rock bottom. I would have thought the, you know, the first arrest and all that would have been the rock bottom, but clearly not. I mean, yeah, like this has to be the rock bottom. I mean, I don't know. I truly don't know. I mean, like I'm curious on your thoughts because, well, first I do want to say, you know, I don't even know, like, Tara Miller: has to be. Mm-hmm. The Drama Drop: And not just not in the purpose of entertainment, like not necessarily I'm caring about Secret Lives of Mormon Wives continuing, but I'm just like because of all of this. Is this the point where, okay, like I just don't see a world and with how serious all of this is, I don't know when they would pick up filming to kind of like close the loop. So it's almost like, Tara Miller: Yeah. Yeah. The Drama Drop: Is this the beginning of the end? Like the girls kind of go on and do their own thing. Like, is she done? Like, she ever, like, first and foremost, regardless of that, like, we want her to get so much help. Like, we want her to be in healthy state, but like, let's say, you know, and we hope and pray that that is the case. Does she even come back to this world? Does she, like, is this something that she steps back in? Like, is there gonna be acceptance of that? Because I mean, let's just, you know, kind of go, back, if we look at, mean, poor him, he's catching a stray here, but like Colton Underwood of it all, like people were so mad that he was put on traders ⁓ with all his situation. Tara Miller: Mm hmm. ⁓ Yeah, which I didn't know about him until I saw him on Traders and then I had to catch up and read everything online and I was like, what? ⁓ you didn't know about him either? Okay. The Drama Drop: Same, same, I know. I knew of the name, knew, again, like, cause I had never really watched the Bachelor, Bachelorette, but I remember like the headlines of him being like, ⁓ he's actually gay and then all like the stalking allegations and all that stuff. So I knew that being a thing, but like, it didn't really resonate with me because I never ⁓ watched or like knew of his situation to like. Tara Miller: Docker. The Drama Drop: really deep dive into the case. So like, I didn't really think anything up. Like when I saw his name for the cast of Traders, like it didn't, I didn't go back to that time period because I wasn't in it. ⁓ yeah, but apparently not because everyone was like, did we just forget that this happened? And I'm like, ⁓ well, I mean, I didn't forget. I just really wasn't like in it. But even all those years later, ⁓ they were upset that and like, let's not forget too, like, Tara Miller: Yeah, people have short memories too. True. Yeah, true. The Drama Drop: not minimizing stalking or being really aggressive in that sense. ⁓ If I remember correctly, there wasn't nothing actually physical that happened with that. I mean, this is just from my memory. I'm not saying that as fact. ⁓ yeah, I don't... Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Tara Miller: Yeah, I don't know enough to speak on it. I think it was like intimidation via like he kept getting burner phones and like sending threatening texts, but there was, don't, I don't know. I don't know enough to speak on it. I read one article. The Drama Drop: Yeah, no, I don't know enough either to fully be like confident in what I'm saying. But if I'm thinking of like, that's just what it was. Everyone being so angry about that. So I'm like, I just it's just interesting just to, I think because everything happened so fast. We're all so involved in the world of secret lives and Mormon wives, these women, they've led us into what's going on with them. Like we keep up with them. you know, they stay involved in the Tara Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah. The Drama Drop: social media, it's not like a Real Housewives franchise where it's kind of like they film and then they kind of go off and you maybe not really know what's going on. Like they kind of just carry it on. You know, you have Dancing with the Stars, you have The Bachelorette, like things are just continuing. You have the Girls Going On podcast. And so it's just kind of like when this news broke, it was just such a weird like glooming cloud. Because then it's like, I just don't know. And again, like you said, obviously it's entertainment, like that's kind of not important. Tara Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Yah! The Drama Drop: but at the end of the day, it's like, yeah, she gets the help, but then what? Like, what happens? Tara Miller: Yeah, I have a few thoughts. First, my first thought was like, Dakota's gonna actually ruin all these girls careers. Like my first thought was him releasing this video. I know he was probably mad at Taylor, but it's going to, it has already negatively affected every single woman on the cast. Number one, that was my first thought. Like, and yes, they had businesses before, they will have businesses after, but obviously this show has been a huge deal for everyone. The Drama Drop: Hmm. Yeah. Right. Tara Miller: So first I was like, poo poo on that because you're not just messing up Taylor's career, you're also negatively affecting other people's. But second of all, to answer your question of like, what happens from here in a dream world, I would hope that Taylor would get the help she needs and the other girls would still be able to film because like you said, they all do have strong personalities, strong characteristics, storylines, like they're all creative in their own different ways. They all have their different like, The Drama Drop: Yeah. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah, absolutely. Mm-hmm. Tara Miller: background story of how they got here. They all have different marital dynamics, which the Jesse and Jordan thing was also announced within the last few hours. I'm like, okay, Taylor couldn't have a day, but okay. I mean, there's just so many other things. like, another thing, like one of your questions at the beginning of this right here was like, is this DV is what gonna put like. The Drama Drop: Yeah. ⁓ which we can, yeah, we can, yep, yeah. Right. Tara Miller: the end of the show, I will say one thing that I've been grateful for the show about is that it hasn't shied away from some of the harder topics like, you know, SV and eating disorders and marital problems. like they talk about things that I think so many people deal with and so many people like because they do cover such a diverse set of topics that are hard. The Drama Drop: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Tara Miller: everyone in humanity is gonna relate to something about that. And so like, for me, like I broke down in tears, a wreck when Jen was sharing her postpartum depression and like the suicidal ideation because I had been there and like, hadn't talked to anyone about it. And to see someone on a screen, saying all the things that like I had felt at one point in my time was like, it made you just feel less alone, you know? And so that's like what I think the positive thing is about this show is like, The Drama Drop: Absolutely. ⁓ my gosh, ⁓ Ugh. Yeah. Tara Miller: They haven't shied away from the hard things. It kind of normalizes it. And I think it's opened up conversations in the world, like not saying any of these things are like good or permissible, but I think it helps people feel like other people struggle too, number one. But number two, it has, I agree with you, hit the point where it's like, okay, we can't go on with this level of unhealthiness because we value the human in this and we want them to be healthy and then hopefully come back filming one day. The Drama Drop: Yeah, no, completely and I think that's why I've loved this show so much is because I'm like, dang, like these girls like, I mean, like, Jesse, like, she just lets it all out, like with what's going on in her marriage. And, you know, at the whole Marciano thing, like not to just like keep going back to things, but it's like, she was very much like, this is what happened this, this, this, like, and that's like your whole life. And like, that's never going to go away. And it's like, so thankful because it's like, like you said, other people have marital issues and then Tara Miller: Yeah. The Drama Drop: ⁓ There's just so many different things and variations that they discuss and they talk about and they're just so vulnerable and like thankful for that. Like I think my, like if I could have my wish, it would be very similar. It's like, I hope that maybe, know, Taylor, like not maybe, but Taylor goes and she fully gets the help that she needs and she kind of maybe steps away. I don't think. I think the show can go on without her because I don't think it's fair for the girls that, you know, like they still have so much left to give. if they want to do the show, like if they, you know, like, and we can see more of what is going on because I think a lot of it is like the stress of like, ⁓ what's going on with Taylor and Dakota right now? ⁓ Tara Miller: Yes, some of those other storylines could thrive. Miranda could be the bachelorette, just saying. The Drama Drop: ⁓ my gosh, she would have been a great, a great option. ⁓ And, and you know, not to shy away from DV because obviously it does need to be discussed. And I think even more, I think it's more because usually, you know, not to like stereotype, but roles reversed. So I think it's even more of like, have this little tiny chick and she's, you know, being like the aggressor. So Tara Miller: Mmm. Doing it. Yeah. The Drama Drop: ⁓ I think in a world of where they can talk about it in their perspective on the friendship side of, I don't think it necessarily needs to be ignored, just maybe Taylor doesn't need to be involved and. ⁓ Tara Miller: Yeah, like how Jen took a break for her mental health. It's like Taylor should be able to take one too and probably longer. Yeah, good question. Is there any thought in your head that like by the time we're done recording this, we like have missed other things coming out and by the time, your husband, Drew gets this edited and posted, we'll be like old news and we like miss something. I'm like, should we check our phones real The Drama Drop: Right. Mm hmm. Yeah, probably. Yes. Yes. 100%. Wait, actually speaking of that, thought this was this, just have to say, it's actually so funny that you say that because another podcast that I listened to, ⁓ I'll go ahead and give them a drop ⁓ called the snark bait. And I really enjoyed them. I think it's like a smaller scale. Like I randomly stumbled across them on Reddit, like not them, but like someone name dropped their podcast. And I was like, huh, I never heard of that. ⁓ And it's just like these two girls, like, Tara Miller: ⁓ I haven't listened, I will. Okay? The Drama Drop: just internet friends, whatever. So they kind of just, exactly, exactly. I really, their podcast is very interesting take, but so they ended up dropping ⁓ an emergency podcast and it dropped this morning. What's funny about it, so I listened to it on my morning walk. They did a little disclaimer in the beginning and they were like, hey guys, I just wanna let you know, we did an emergency podcast with what we knew. As soon as we stopped recording, the video dropped. Tara Miller: Hey, like me and you. Okay. Okay. The Drama Drop: the TMZ video, so we jumped back on. So it's like, you're listening to like, and then she's like, so at one point that it's like, all right, so go ahead and listen to that. So it's kind of like cut. I just thought that that was really funny that you said that because honestly, yes, but, there's so yes, I would not be shocked. I feel like I don't know, is there any other closing thoughts? Because I do wanna talk about Jesse and Jordan of it, ⁓ because. Tara Miller: Ugh. ⁓ my gosh. Mostly yes. The Drama Drop: Of course, like you said, Taylor couldn't get a day and something like that dropped. So I do want to talk about that, but I want it before I move on to that. Are there any like any other things that you want to say? Final thoughts just about this whole situation? Yeah, Taylor and Dakota. Yeah. Tara Miller: Yeah. Mm-hmm. About Taylor. ⁓ my gosh. No, I think we've really thoroughly talked about everything I can possibly think of. My only other thoughts are about Michaela's situation and Jordan and Jessie. Yeah, yeah. Free reign girl, go for it, wherever you wanna go. The Drama Drop: Yeah. Yep. Okay. So. All right, yes. So me and my husband, we were sitting in our media room last night and just processing everything that was going on with Dakota and Taylor And then of sudden, we just see the TMZ that files for divorce from Jesse. And I'm just like, wait, what? What? ⁓ It's just so, I'm like, what is going, like, this is crazy how, I mean, we obviously don't, like, I don't have so many details ⁓ because, you know, this like literally just happened. ⁓ But what's even, so like, that's all that I really know. But before we started recording, another thing happened, which I don't know where you're up to speed. So I'll let you talk. Okay, that actually, Jesse. Tara Miller: Yeah, I I saw it. That, yeah, like last Friday, Jessie had said, I'm done with this. Like I already have lawyers lined up, which was probably her mistake. Like she probably should have said nothing until she served in papers, which apparently must have tipped Jordan off. And then Jordan was like, screw this. And I guess she already had a freaking trip planned to California to go on and call her daddy, which of course she would because Taylor was on it first and Whitney was on it second. So she can't be outdone. And so she's going to... The Drama Drop: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Tara Miller: do her like call her daddy, tell her side of the story. And she's also like doing like crotch to face flips with Pasha or what, or not Pasha, whatever that guy's name is. Yeah, something, I don't know. One of the Asha's from an ex dancing with the star guy. And I swear, like I saw like this whole like face to crotch flip thing. And then I saw the like Jordan filed for divorce. And I'm like, was it the face to crotch move? Was that it? Or was it something else? The Drama Drop: Yeah. because they have Sasha? I don't really know actually. Yeah. Right, was that what he was like, forget the prenup, forget everything. Like, I don't care. I am signing like I'm filing because. Tara Miller: Yeah. He's like, I don't want her dancing, her crotch and anyone else, any other man's face. The Drama Drop: Exactly. just was so like, wait, I'm getting whiplash again. My head, like I said, is constantly on a swivel. yeah, apparently. And then I think too, like he tried to put in again, cause yes, that she can't talk about it. But I guess because like she had already, I think she had already done the podcast. She's art cause she's out in LA. And then I think because she had already done that and then she hasn't signed that. So that kind of is like null and void. Like it doesn't matter. Tara Miller: Yes! Clause to not be on a podcast. Yeah, it's literally nothing. It's a piece of paper until both parties sign it. He's just blowing smoke. It's like, okay, short cane, sorry. The Drama Drop: Yeah, and so it's like, all right, drop the podcast. I just, no, no, it's true. It's actually, it's so, I just, like, I don't even know. And I'm assuming, you know, that'll still be developing, but it's just crazy. I'm just like, me and my husband, we're like, everything around us is just kind of like crumbling. It's just so bizarre, because it's like, so many big things are happening. So many... Tara Miller: ⁓ Yeah, for sure. Yeah. The Drama Drop: exciting things that we were like looking forward to and they're all just slowly like falling apart right in front of our eyes and it's like everybody needs a wellness check at this point. ⁓ Tara Miller: Yes. And I'm like, is this ⁓ because like we're all successful female entrepreneurs on the show? Cause like it does obviously have effects on marriage. I'm like, is this the thing? Like, is this like inevitable? I'm like, this is not good. At least we have Connor like fully supporting his wife and like they're happy and thriving. The Drama Drop: Ugh, that's so sad. ⁓ my gosh, can I just say I'm obsessed with them. Like, I think we talked about it like whenever I was on your podcast of how I was not sure how I felt, but like even more so like even after season four, I'm even more I'm like, hell yeah, Team Whitney, Team Connor, like he's hilarious to me. Like I literally, like I know we're kind of going off a little bit, but like I'm obsessed with the fact that. Tara Miller: Love, Connor. Yes, team Connor, Whitney. The Drama Drop: He's like, hell yeah, my wife, she's crushing it. But you know what? I'm a little bored. I'm gonna pick up magic. What are we, that's so, I love it. I love it so much. he... Tara Miller: Yeah, I love it. yesterday where it was like, how about the spinoff is just Whitney and Connor and it's like 70 % Whitney and then we give like Connor 30 % of the video to do his magic. And I'm like, all the comments were like, yes, we will watch this. We will support both of you in your endeavors. The Drama Drop: Yeah, to show us what he's learned. ⁓ my gosh, I know, I know he's so great. He's so funny. It is, it's just very weird. just like, it's, I don't know. I don't really understand it. Like my mind can't grasp it. And it's funny too, cause it's like my husband, he's like, ⁓ my gosh, like, I just need you to take off so like I can just sit and relax. Like he's so like, go you. And so it's like, I can't imagine a world on which the husband is just like, are we really like, you would think like, I'm sure maybe it's some sort of natural instinct in terms of like the protector provider, but like you can still be a protector and a provider, but in a different sense, you know what I mean? Like it doesn't have to necessarily just be money focused in terms of quote unquote, like provider, like you can be an emotional provider. You can be like just the provider in keeping the family afloat. How usually like in most... gender-specific or stereotypical roles. Like, the mom is usually like that type of provider. Like, there's so many other ways for it. Tara Miller: Yeah. Yeah, you can be the rock for your family to lean on. You can be that steady head, that steady opinion, that safe place. Yeah, I mean, and at the end of the day, marriage is supposed to be a team. So it's not like propping one person up, like that's the wrong way to look at it. It's like, if your team member is getting amazing things, that's great for the team. I don't know if you listen to ⁓ Sean and Andrew East, Sean Johnson East and Andrew East podcast, they're amazing. The Drama Drop: Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't. Tara Miller: Most basically, they're a marriage podcast and they talk about that. They're like, because like Shawn Johnson, she's the woman and she has all these amazing opportunities. She's like a gold medal Olympian. She's like doing all the things. And he's like, I couldn't be more proud of my wife. Like a win for her is a win for the team. And I'm like, why can't all husbands look at it that way? You know? The Drama Drop: Aww. Gosh, I know, I know I do wanna brag on my husband just a little bit. But yeah, think, I mean, I don't know if I would really, I know if I wasn't with him and I'd be watching it, I'd be like, ugh, that's so annoying. But I don't know if I would have as nearly much of a reaction of it if I wasn't in a marriage where my husband is so opposite. It's just so crazy, because he just really pushes me out of my comfort zone. He's always like, Tara Miller: Yes, go ahead, girl. The Drama Drop: take that opportunity, do that. Like, ⁓ my gosh, you would be so great at this. you, like, ⁓ my gosh, like, let me take your picture. Like when we go on vacation, like he's always like, ⁓ you look so good. Like, let me take, being my, you know, just like all those little things. Like he just is like my biggest cheerleader, even when I'm like, ⁓ like, I don't know. Like, who am I to do this or X-ray? I mean, just for the podcast, for example, like he's the one, like I said, ⁓ I want to do podcasting, bought me all this. Like he, so it's just weird. Like it's hard for me to like wrap my head around. And it would never be a situation too. Tara Miller: I love that. The Drama Drop: where I would be like, look at everything that I'm doing because at the end of the day, like anything that I'm doing, it's like a we situation. Like I wouldn't be here without him because he's such a huge support system and just like the backbone of it all. And like, obviously like, and he's very successful in his own way. So it's like, why can't we both like, you know, it's like, why wouldn't both parties be able to just like both be successful, do things, whatever that is, not even successfully, like monetarily, whatever it just. Tara Miller: Yeah. Yes. Yes. The Drama Drop: just into happiness and then bring that together, like imagine everything that you could do. yeah, mean, at the end of the day, I mean, I think Jesse's probably just like laughing at the fact that he had to go run and do it first. ⁓ Tara Miller: Yeah, 100%. Yeah, because of the headline I'm sure. He wanted his name like he filed. The Drama Drop: ⁓ for sure because I mean when I saw that I was like wait I'm so confused because we left the season with it pretty much seeming like it was going to be up to Jessie. ⁓ Tara Miller: Yeah, like your great little meme reel. The Drama Drop: ⁓ my gosh, wait. Tara Miller: Can you bring it up? The Drama Drop: Let's, we may have, I don't know, we may leave this and we may can, we'll let our editor decide. ⁓ But it was funny because you know how I mentioned that we will ⁓ send things that we're not sure about just to make sure. We have a pretty good rapport with a lot of the cast. And so ⁓ we made that little funny meme about Jesse and the divorce like prenup situation, just kind of like, ha ha. Tara Miller: Okay. Okay. Yes. Yeah, almost definitely. The Drama Drop: Yeah, so we sent it to Dakota. were like, hey, is this funny? Or not Dakota, I'm sorry, Jordan. Hey, is this funny? Too much, you know, because like I said, these are people at the end of the day. And as much as we have so many opinions and like, we love to create laughs, like I have dark humor, like I can laugh at myself. Wanna be sure, like, especially if we are building relationships with these people, wanna be, you know. So he was like, he laughed at it. He was like, no, that's funny. Little did we know the following day, Tara Miller: Not Dakota. Yeah, yes. you Yeah, I'm gonna be respectful. The Drama Drop: that was going to be dropped that he filed for divorce. So it was just kind of like, like that's where we were sitting in their media room. Like I'm so confused. Like, did he already, did he already know? And that's why he thought it was funny. He's like, haha, yeah, go ahead because I know it's coming. It was just really ironic. ⁓ The whole situation of it all, but Tara Miller: You can't write this stuff. I'm sure. I'm sure. why y'all. The Drama Drop: But yeah, ⁓ so that's that. But ⁓ I know there was ⁓ another one that we wanted to discuss, I don't really, yeah, I don't have much. I don't have much other than. Tara Miller: Michaela moving to California. They don't give us much either. Like we're very going off of our own guesses on this one. The Drama Drop: No. Yeah, everything is very much to speculation and observation and what we can just tell through. I mean, I'll be honest, I have not seen much. So please fill me in if I'm missing any gaps. All I know is that she moved to California and was it because, was it solely because of mold? Like, was there anything else? Like, do we have, we have nothing. We just. Tara Miller: Mm-hmm. I don't know. ⁓ That's what I heard was she moved to California because of mold, but I'm like, California, if she's close to the beach, which she's posted beach pictures, I'm like, has more humidity, more moisture in the air than Utah. So I'm assuming there's more mold issues in California. I know for a fact there's more like corrosion and rust issues because of the salt in the sea air, but that's a different thing. But I'm like, yeah, I was talking with my husband about this last night, because like I'm very sensitive to mold too, obviously not to the extent of Makayla, but I'm like. The Drama Drop: There's other houses, I'm sure. Yeah. Tara Miller: They could move houses. He's like, they could build a fresh house. Like there's so many options that don't involve moving out of state. The Drama Drop: Right. Like I'm sure the state of Utah doesn't ⁓ just contain mold. Tara Miller: Yeah, like there's a desert part of Utah where like Whitney lived with Connor for a bit when they came back from Hawaii and like, remember that? Like there's a dry part where probably mold can't grow. So I think there's more to it. I think the mold is an easy ⁓ answer to give to like pacify, but I do think there's more to it. I don't know if she moved there with Jace or just with her kids. I don't know. There's so much more to that that obviously they don't want to share right now. So respect, but it's just. The Drama Drop: Yeah, yes. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Tara Miller: feeling like things aren't adding up. The Drama Drop: I know. And I think just with the state of everything else, just seems like something happened of a tipping point to where everybody is just kind of, like, I don't know if it's like, they're just all exhausted and it's like, all right, I can't do it anymore. And maybe it's just an extensive separation. Cause I know like in season four, you know, she was going to a hotel. Why she left the house after she just had a baby, I don't know. It's kind of bizarre to me, but. Tara Miller: I bet. Mm-hmm. The Drama Drop: whatever, like maybe that's just what she wanted. I don't know how that whole arrangement was going on or was decided, but. Tara Miller: Maybe she wanted to sleep, because I know for a fact newborns don't sleep. The Drama Drop: I was gonna say, yeah, cause I was like, know people were kind of like, wait, she's leaving the house. But you know what, maybe she just genuinely was like, no, I want the hotel room. I want the cushy robe. I want to order in room service. You can have the house and the kids for this time period. Like it could. Tara Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Well, your body, yeah, your body cannot heal if you're not getting quality sleep. Like that's when your cells repair themselves. And if a baby is waking up every two to four hours, your body's not sleeping, your body's not repairing itself. So I was like, I get where she's coming from. The Drama Drop: Right. Right, it's like the postpartum on top of the skin. like you have, she's kind of like at a double whammy. yeah, so. ⁓ Tara Miller: Yes. Exactly. Which by the way, her face right now is looking great, at least from what I saw. I'm like, when she got those like whatever cell or whatever injection things, I'm pretty sure Kristin Cavallari does, or Kristin Cavallari does that too. And she has flawless faces. And I'm like, is this what we all need to be doing? Do we all need to get these like, whatever it is injection? Cause it wasn't Botox or filler. It was like the cell, like regenerative cell type stuff. I'm like, that's it. I think, I think that's the secret sauce. The Drama Drop: Yeah. I think so. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. Like her most recent post, she looks incredible. ⁓ But yeah, mean, yeah, digress. mean, we'll see. I'm sure this is only just the beginning. Like I don't even know what more is possibly going to come about. I mean, like you said, there could be five more headlines that have gotten. Tara Miller: Flawless. Yeah, but we digress. Yes. Just buckle up. The Drama Drop: released from the time that we have been recording. ⁓ So I mean, definitely, mean, I'm so thankful that I have you to like really deep dive and dish all about this with because my husband's probably, I mean, no, he loves it, but like, I'm just like, I need somebody else to like bounce off ideas with. So I know this was not in the plan for it. Like this was, we literally had to pivot. We were like, okay, wait, like we have to. Tara Miller: Tootoo. Yeah, yeah, the best thing. The Drama Drop: Talk about this. So, I mean, obviously as stories develop, like, we're just gonna have to have emergency little press conferences, but. Tara Miller: 100%. Yeah, thanks for having me on. The Drama Drop: I mean, I'm exhausted. Absolutely. I'm so exhausted. ⁓ I need like a little detox, mental, emotionally, spiritually. ⁓ So maybe I, like, I can't even imagine, like, this is just us consuming it. So I can't even imagine being in it. ⁓ So, yeah, no, thank you so much for joining. I've had so much fun. I mean, the topics weren't fun, but like, I enjoy talking to you. Like, we, I just, I love it. I love getting your takes and your perspectives and. Tara Miller: Yeah, a nap. ⁓ I know. Yeah. The Drama Drop: everything so ⁓ Tara Miller: ⁓ thanks. You too, I love chatting with you about it. Thank you for making time to have me on. You have a great podcast going and I'm so excited to see where it goes. And yeah, this stuff is developing hot and heavy. So I'm here for you. We can chat literally whenever we do. So I love it. The Drama Drop: Absolutely. Thank you. ⁓ Yeah. Absolutely. ⁓ Well, thank you so much. And for everybody listening, I hope you all enjoyed listening to us. Dish, everybody go follow Tara on the details pod. And she has some great stuff on there. But yeah, just thanks for bearing with us. You know, we're just obtaining the information as fast as we possibly can to get it hot and ready off the press for you guys. So more to come, I'm gonna only assume. So yeah. Tara Miller: Yeah, I could only assume this is the tip of the iceberg. Okay, we'll talk to you later. Bye. The Drama Drop: Absolutely. All right, talk to you later. Bye.