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Big GA News from Garmin, CubCrafters, Cirrus & Dynon - The FLYER Show - 9th July 2026 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_06: This is the Flyer Showing Podcast form from Flyer.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_06: It's your weekly dose of General Aviation News, Views, and Flying Chat.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_06: In this episode, this week might be the biggest week of exciting General Aviation News in 2026, with major announcements in aircraft and avionics, plus the usual observations, progressions, and opinions from the team.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_06: So if you like aeroplanes, airfield, airspace, and the world that surrounds them, you're in the right place.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_06: Hello and welcome to this week's flat show from Member One Speak, which is absolutely freaking scorching at the moment.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_06: My name's Ian Seger, I'm Ed Hicks.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_04: I'm Annabelle Cook.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_06: Standing in for Dave, and this is the Reduno hat from this year.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_06: I didn't make it to the Reduna, but I got a hat.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_06: A hat came back.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_05: It was waiting for you when you came in today, but it was.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_05: Indeed.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_05: I did wonder how it got there.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_06: It was delivered by Fly Club member Dave White.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_06: I thought that might be the case, as opposed to Star Trek.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_06: Beamed in.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_06: Beamed in, but you never know.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_04: You don't.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's 2026.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_06: Now we you would have noticed that we don't have a special theme for today, and that's because there's just so much news.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_06: Well, there's not tons of news items, but there's some really, really big news that we'll be bringing you, and loads and loads of stuff to talk about.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_06: The news is all this size.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_06: News that big.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_04: Is that why Dave's gone on holiday?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_06: Dave Dave Dave News person when I'm I'm out of here.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_06: So I mean big week news week, not Wheeze Nuke.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_06: Um anyway, big big thanks to Sky Demon for supporting the channel, and here is this week's top tip.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, I'm Hannah from Sky Demon, and this is this week's top tip.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's possible to create checklists in Sky Demon as part of your aircraft profile setup, and I've given a little explanation of this in a previous video which you may find useful.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: To actually make use of your checklists, go to the Airfields tab.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: You can get to them here during the planning stage as well as in GoFlying Mode.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: Checklists are really easy to use.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: Just tap on items to tick them off.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: They'll turn green when checked.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: To reset a section that's been fully checked off, you can tap the grey banner at the top of the section.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: You'll also find a reset all button at the very bottom of a checklist.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: Checklists are automatically fully reset when you go back to planning mode.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: To move between your checklists, use the previous and next buttons here at the top of the tab.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: And finally, you can quickly shortcut to the checklist tab by tapping on your aircraft symbol.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: For more information, go to our website skydemon.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_04: So the checklist the checklist of checklist top tips is complete.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_06: The checklist trilogy.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_06: We've had creating checklists, sharing checklist, and using checklists.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_05: Checklists are good as long as you go through.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_05: Sometimes I have seen people go, it's kind of just check, check, check, check, check.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_06: So I did that.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_06: When I was learning to fly helicopters, I took off in my R22 with the instructor beside me and did the sort of climate checks and just went, Yeah, yeah, it's okay.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_06: And I I hadn't.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_06: I didn't actually check.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_06: It was just a and he'd he I can't remember exactly what he'd done, but he'd made it so one of the gauges probably pulled a breaker or something.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_06: Wasn't showing anything.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_06: He went, I think you're fine.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_06: That that lesson has remained with with me.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_06: And that was a long time ago.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_06: That was a very valuable lesson.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_06: Pull a breaker.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_06: Checks, checks need to be break, check, checks need to be checks, not just read out.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_05: Talking of checking things, I understand the weather might be getting warmer.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my word.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_05: Warmer.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_05: Sure, that shall we see what Simon has in store for us?
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_04: Pretty malfunctioning.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_03: Open morning.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_03: Come on then, Simon.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: Evening all.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_03: Hope you're doing well this evening.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_03: Phew, how hot is it?
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's going to stay hot for the next few days as well.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: And especially as we go into the weekend, so just be aware that things are going to be bumpy.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_03: The other thing that's going to happen is that we're going to get an increasing easterly wind across England and Wales, which could really be gusting quite strong, I think, as we go through the weekend at a chance of girls in places.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_03: But this is how things show up for Friday morning.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's a fair start.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_03: Lots of sunshine, you see again on the forecast satellite picture here.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_03: Broken cloud, lots of sunshine, just a low risk, you notice that of a shower look just creeping in to southern parts of England.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_03: A front getting into Scotland as well, bringing more cloud here, and again some cloud across southwestern parts of Ireland.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_03: But that front in Scotland may bring some outbreaks of rain.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's reliable.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's decent.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: We've got hot weather around and bases 4,000 feet tops at about 8,000 feet.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_03: I can't rule out some low cloud just drifting into coast at a time given that heat.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_03: Now, overnight into Saturday, rain lingers across Scotland, and then through Saturday morning, you notice that that front is still lying through Scotland, bringing outbreaks of rain, but elsewhere, lots of sunshine around once again.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I think we're generally non-vercross central and eastern Scotland, particularly.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: Base is a thousand feet, two thousand feet, opposite around twelve thousand feet.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_03: That front weakens through the day, becoming better northern and western coasts.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_03: Elsewhere, generally it is fair.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: Good spells of sunshine, although always the chance of some low cloud just drifting into these eastern coasts.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: Now, generally, base is 4,000 feet, topped it 8,000 feet, maybe a little bit lower in the east.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: But just notice the isotopes here.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: Can you see across England Wales and uh southern Scotland how close they're going to become or rather they're closer, they're tightening up.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: So we're looking at gas probably 20 to 25 knots.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: Overnight in 2007, look at the isopars again.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_03: Look at how close they've been coming across the southern part of England.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_03: So I think Tuesday Sunday, we've got a fair day for most good spells of sunshine around.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: I do think Eastern Coast could again see some low cloud and times drifting in thousands to two thousand feet, potentially, but it's quite patchy.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_03: Top's about 10,000 feet.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_03: Western Scotland, most of Ireland, most of northern England, western parts of Wales and Southern England, generally fair.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_03: The base is again 4,000 feet with the tops of 8,000 feet.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_03: But once more, I'm going to show you those isobals and look how closely together they are.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_03: That is going to bring with it a strong wind.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: And these are the forecast gusts in knots for Sunday afternoon.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_03: And you can see quite widely across England and Wales here, we're at 30 knots plus for the gusts.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_03: But look at the channel, look at the kind of eastern parts of England.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_03: Those orange colours are showing gusts of 40 knots plus.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_03: The yellow colours are 35 knots plus.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_03: So it is going to become quite windy.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: It will be turbulent as well for most of it.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: So just get excited for that on Sunday afternoon.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: But it's still a fair summer flying weekend.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I will leave you that for now.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_03: Don't forget to get yourself booked onto my Aviation Weather School part one course, which is going to take place over the consecutive Tuesday evenings of the 15th and 22nd of September between 6:30 pm and 9 pm.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: I will show you how you can support weather windows five days in advance.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'll get you forecasting things like these wind gusts.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'll show you how you can forecast bases and tops more successfully visibility, whether it's going to be rain or showers, those winds at different levels as well.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_03: So there's so much to tell you about on that course.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: And it's for everyone, whether you're pre-PPL, right the way through to commercial pilots, and all have done it.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_03: So the places are being taken up quite quickly.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_03: So if you want to get uh a place now, if you go to weatherschool.co.uk or use the QR code, you can book your place now.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: I will leave you with that.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: Have a great, have a safe flying weekend.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_03: Watch those winds across the central and southern areas of the country on Sunday.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but yeah, fly safe.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I'll see you next week.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_03: Bye for now.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_06: There you go.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_06: Scotchio, Scorchio.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: Oh god.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_06: It's gonna be hot.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_06: We've in fact we can see if we can survive the next however long it is in here.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_06: Should we have some news?
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, deploy the biggest news.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_06: Well, you probably saw yesterday when the official announcement was unembargoed, as it were, um, some big, big news from Garmin.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_06: You may remember that a couple of weeks ago, three weeks ago now, yeah, I wasn't here.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_06: I was off on a secret mission to Olatha, Kansas.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_06: Good heavens.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, where I got the full briefing and a flight behind the Garmin access system.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_06: Access is one of those things that's a little bit more difficult to describe than it is to use and see.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_06: It's essentially, you could say it's a replacement, but it's not actually a replacement.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_06: You could say it's a G3X touch alike type thing.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_06: It's kind of like the iteration of G3X touch, but it's more, there's more to it than that.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_06: It's a it's an ecosystem that consists of uh two different screens.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_06: So you've got the 11.6 inch screen, you've got the eight-inch screen.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_06: The eight-inch screen can be portrait or landscape.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but the big news is um that whereas things like G3X, you require the avionics to go alongside it, and that means lots of extra boxes, lots of extra wiring, and we all know that when you buy avionics, you've got the actual buying it, yeah.1, and then you've got to pay some extremely well qualified and jolly nice avionics people to fit it.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_06: And we all know that that is more expensive, or the same again as the actual kit itself.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_06: This time you can buy various different modules like IFR, GPS, Navcom, audio panel, that kind of thing, and you control them straight from the from the access screen.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_06: From the screen.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_06: And they're integrated into the access screen, so it's much, much easier for the install.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_06: So that's that's a big thing.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_06: The other big news, yeah.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_05: I want I want to check something first.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_05: Oh does it go in the same hole as G3X?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_06: Well, that's it's got G3X unscript, the other one is probably a little bit more to it than that, but it's same form factor, same cutout, not same form factor, mistake, sorry.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_06: Same form factor for the cutout, I should say.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_06: So, yeah, no problem at all there.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, you were saying the other big news.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_06: So I reckon there are kind of three things for the Garmin.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_06: I think there's the there's the new funky high resolution large 11.6 inch screen that fits into the same hole.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_05: And that does look super high res.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_06: That is super high res.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_06: There's the other thing is that it comes with the option to add extra bits of hardware to it in itself, as opposed to buying, say, for example, you might buy G3X and a GTN 750.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_06: Now you just buy the Axis and the IFR GPS, and that makes the install significantly cheaper.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_06: In fact, most of that should you will be saving money.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_06: It is, it's got a new user interface, which is kind of a development.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, Garmin have been on this this road.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_06: I remember back to the good old days of my GNS 530.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_06: Clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_06: And that was that that I got I got used to it in the end, but it took me a while to figure out and remember where some of the more esoteric bits were.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not I'm not saying programming one of those was like being a safe cracker, but it was a bit like that.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_06: You have a stethoscope.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_06: 60 to the right, yeah.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_06: It was that was exactly it.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_06: And then then I remember sitting in front of my first uh G1000, yeah, and that was like ooh, information overlaid, which buttons am I pressing here?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_06: And that had pages with menus and menu structures, and there were some things there that I've probably never seen.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_06: There's probably some code in there that's so dusty because no one's ever been there.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and then you got the sort of G3000 and the GTN stuff was better than the GNS, and this access is it takes that yet another step.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_06: So if you've got any Garmin experience, I reckon you can probably just use it very intuitively.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_06: Because Garmin's user interface experience is probably one of the best out there right now.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_06: And it's just it's just got better.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I I sat, I went for a flight with Jessica Cross and Mikela, the comms specialist, in the back, yeah, and um sat there, and Jessica was flying around, and I was just playing with the screen, touch screen in a bit of turbulence, which was kind of interesting, moving everything around and hear an airplane.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_06: God Ed, what is it?
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_06: It's a captain.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_06: It's a captain.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_06: There you go.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_06: Um and and it is really intuitive.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, again, you know, there are some far corners that are not they're not that buried, nowhere near as buried as the G1000.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and you can get them quite easy, get to them quite easily, and it's pretty intuitive how you get to them, but it is absolutely fantastic and uh very, very impressed.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so um what do we know about um uh availability and kind of and any cost?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_06: So the availability, the 11.6 inch screen should be available from uh July in the announcement, so probably from now.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, um it's there's there's the what they call the experimental version, we call the home mill home building version, yeah.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_06: There's a certified version with an AML list with hundreds of aircraft types in it.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_06: Uh and then it's also ready and fit for mosaic aircraft as well.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_06: The price is going to be two or three percent above the G3X touch, so not a huge amount of difference.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_06: The G3X touch screens in the UK is is just around four or five thousand pounds.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I'm guessing that because there's modular boxes now for things like IFR navigators that don't involve having a screen, that the cost of those units may be a little less than the GTN.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, no, that absolutely they will be, yeah.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_06: And it's quite interesting because you know, for if if you like my airplane, yeah, there's I've already got pretty much all of the avionics I want.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_06: But I don't have a big screen.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_05: For people who don't know, you've got a 182, you've got two G5s, you've got a GTN 750, and the autopilot, haven't you?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_06: The autopilot, the Garmin's autopilot, I've got another Garmin Comp, Gom2, um, and Garmin Transponder.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_06: So for me, yeah, I could say, you know what, the left hand panel, I'm now going to get rid of all the steam gauges, yeah, put an access screen in, and I don't want to say a dumb screen, because put put the screen that hasn't got any other bits added to it, use all the other bits from the other that I've got installed already, yeah, and get myself an 11.6 inch screen with a whole load of functionality.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_06: Um there's a couple of mini things.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_06: So for example, it doesn't currently have doesn't cut wouldn't currently cope with the input from my Storm Scope, which is an L3, which is an L3 Storm Scope.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_06: But I would still have that on my GTN 750.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_06: So that's a good thing there.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_06: So I I finished um if you go and read, I've got a re there's there's the news story about this uh on flyer, and there's also a story of me flying around.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_06: We'll put the we'll put the link to both of those in the description.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_06: We will.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_06: I think for me, I don't think it's a question of uh of if I fit one of these in the in the 182.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_06: It's probably more about when it fits in the 182.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_06: Um because I think that that would be for me, that would be a simple, yeah, relatively simple and relatively high value in terms of return.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_06: Uh upgrade for me.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_06: And it it's just, I mean, I was it was a little bit strange.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_06: So we're sitting in this kind of like briefing, going through PowerPoint, uh looking at all the the things, and then the kind of phone rang.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_06: And it was Jessica Coss, uh, who used to be PR there, but now part of the corporate flight department, who's out at the airport saying the weather tomorrow when we to fly is gonna be really, really, really, really windy.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_06: It's gonna be much better if we get it done now.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_06: So it was all of a sudden quick decamp to go and do the flying now.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_06: But it was still pretty turbulent.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_06: Um and and I found, you know, you got a it's quite a big screen, and you can you can brace your fingers on the bezel and use that.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_06: But there are there are hard there's there's some hardware buttons and there's some knobs and stuff that you can turn.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_06: So you can get to pretty much not everything, but most things, via that any anyway.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_06: So in turbulence.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_06: So that's that's all pretty good.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_06: There's a little USB-C uh interface on it which will charge things.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_06: It's not really in the right place to charge things, but you can do database upgrades and data downloads and stuff like that.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_05: And your If from your time uh trying it, was there any one particular standout feature?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_06: Uh the the the standout feature, the graphics.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, there it comes it comes with Garmin's sort of safety features.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_06: So you've got things like um safe glide.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_06: You've got things like it's got runway occupancy awareness.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_06: So we went out, we were flying out and go, okay, let's make an approach to this airport.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_06: We knew that this had been organized first.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_06: There was Garmin's, another one of Garmin's airplanes, their the King Air 350, yeah, was purposely sitting on the threshold.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_06: So we flew the instrument approach, it was it was severe clear.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_06: We threw the instrument approach and imagine kind of popping out a minima and all of a sudden.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_06: And so this is starting to pick up and advising you to go around and everything else.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_06: So you know if there's someone about to enter or someone on the on the threshold, which is really useful.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_06: And that's ADSB driven.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_06: So if it's someone on the threshold in an ultralight without ADSB, it's still gonna be ouchy.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_06: Um but but that's still really good.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_06: Then you've got Surface Watch.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_06: Surface watch kind of monitors your position on the ground, as well.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_06: Which, you know, somewhere like Wadswick, not a problem.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_06: Not gonna get it.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_06: Go to somewhere else that even somewhere like Big In or Gloucester and stuff like that, and it's telling you exactly where you are from which bit, and it's got your whole route, and it's really good.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_06: And particularly having having managed to get myself lost at night in a few airfields in in the US where they've got like four or five runways and god knows what, and a sea of blue lights everywhere.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_06: It's like, where are we?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_06: Can I get a progressive taxi, please?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_06: And they go, Oh my god, that dumber.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um Surface Watch is just absolutely fantastic.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_05: Progressive taxi sounds like it should be like special taxi.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_05: It is, it is, it is, yeah.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_05: And you can feel them going, yes.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, they've got another one.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_06: They would rather you do that than have a uh runway infringement.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, or someone take off on a taxiway.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and obviously in the US they've had a few.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_06: I've taken off on a taxiway before, once.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_06: Have you?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_06: No, sorry, not on the wrong runway.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_06: I was I did that at Kemble many years ago when it had another runway that you could take off on.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_05: But it sounds like this is just an a fantastic amalgamation of all the growth of Garmin.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_06: And absolutely, and I think the other thing it's it felt very much like this is the beginning of the next era.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_06: And you know, Garmin as a company is basically an engineering-driven company.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_06: There are many, many, many engineers at Garmin.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_06: Um the many, many, many engineers there are at Garmin do not sit around on their desk going, we don't know what to do today, we're not going to do anything.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_06: They're just consistently engineering stuff.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_06: So the growth cycle in both software and hardware add-ons and stuff like that, I think, is something that we've yet to see, but that will be pretty much guaranteed.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_06: I would probably bet my house on the fact that there will be software updates, there'll be other hardware bits and pieces.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_05: And I know a lot of that kind of stuff is driven by they have this mystical Team X.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_05: X Team, which is actually a whole bunch of home builders.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um uh Garmin has a lot of home builders uh in it.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_05: What do I do for my panel?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_06: I'm getting paid for this.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm building my airplane.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_05: But they yeah, it's a I I certainly know from the home building side that there's a a lot of the guys sit around going, hey, wouldn't it be great if we did so and so?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_05: So and that trickles into the actual hardware.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, there's there's an awful lot of good stuff in there.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but and uh which I said I think will develop over time.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_06: Um and being gummy it won't be much time.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_06: I had it also had a tour of their manufacturing.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_06: Almost all of their aviation, much of their aviation stuff is built on site in Oletha.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_06: And you've got a super impressive um production facility.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_06: You have to kind of walk through air curtains and put funny funny jackets on and funny two things.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_04: I love a funny jacket.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and and and that's that's really impressive to see those kind of machines operating.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_06: And the other thing is that I didn't realise was you know the stuff they build there has every single piece, goes through a full test at the end of it.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_06: It's not just like it wants you know, a lot of high volume manufacturing, they go, Well, we'll test one in every 100,000, 10,000, whatever it happens to be.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_06: This is every single thing, and they've got areas going, okay.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_06: This area here has got a lot of electricity going in it, and it it we don't have to worry about the Earth's magnetic field for this one here.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and there's all sorts of really kind of funky stuff.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_06: Very I mean, I don't think they do public tours, unfortunately.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_06: And maybe you should go.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, what about it?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_05: But it sounds like you had a real interesting time.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_06: So it was it was, it was, it was a it was a short visit, yeah, but a lot was achieved.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it sounds like it.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_06: It was it was great to great to go flying, great to see all of the I'm still not sure about the name Axis, but I was expecting G4X.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_06: I yeah, I think many people uh it it's it's funny because I've had this debate with a couple of um people now about you know is it an evolution revolution kind of thing?
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_06: And it's a bit of both, to be honest.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_06: There's and and G3X is still gonna be available on so you can still buy G3X.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_06: Don't do that, go buy Axis.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_06: Um because I mean the price difference is not um but I I so I think it's a bit of I think it's a bit of both, but Axis is very definitely I think they wanted to differentiate it from you know G4X could have been.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_06: It's uh that sounds like a bit like Cirrus when they change your generation.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_05: This is a big it's a big deal for them.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_05: So and a big deal for the consumer.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_05: So wow, fantastic.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_05: So anyway, read your uh read your news, read your story online.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we've got we're gonna have we're gonna have uh so the other the other good news is is either now, or if not now, very shortly, there should be the iPad trainer available to access, and the iPad trainer will give you on your iPad full access to everything so you can full access to Access.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_06: So you can have a look and play around and look at the configuration.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_06: It's a super configurable thing.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_06: There's got things called widgets.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_06: So you can choose your widgets and place the widgets on the screen, you can change data fields, you can really set it up how you like.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_06: And if you if you if you do that, you should create yourself a profile.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_06: So the next time you jump in, in case some idiot who writes north up has been on that.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: You can go, no, I I I want my one back, please.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_06: Proper things.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_06: Spanish these people.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_06: And you can have it set up as if you like it.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_06: Because there are many, many different things you can configure.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_06: But it's a very, very powerful but yet intuitive piece of equipment.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_06: And I want one.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_06: Fantastic.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_06: That's that's where I that that that's my trip done.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_06: And we so we will have when we get the iPad version, we'll have we'll have a few more videos and stuff like that.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_06: About the trip.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_06: Well, not about the trip, but about access.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_05: So uh so from amazing avionics news to uh amazing airframe news.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_05: And this was this was an another well-kept secret, I feel uh, which was that um uh Cubcrafters came up with a turbine carbon cub uh and launched that on the world yesterday.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_05: Uh obviously we've seen from Cubcrafters um evolutionary steps in the super cub world, and uh kind of up until recently their major thing was the Carbon Cub UL, which was the super lightweight carbon cub with a RoTAX 916.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_05: Well it turns out that for um probably f I think five, six, maybe more years, they've been slowly working with TurboTech, which is the French company that makes the TPR90 140 horsepower turbine, and um they've been integrating this with the carbon cub.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_05: So now there is the ULT, which is um, as you can see in the footage, pretty damn awesome.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_05: And obviously brings with it the turbine start cycle, which with the TPR90 is is flick the master on, flick a fuel pump on, push go.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_05: So I feel if I owned this aeroplane, I would get I would end up having to call TurboTech going, I've used all my start cycles.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_06: I think light speed or bows ought to recognise this.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_06: And for those of us flying piston aircraft, supply a little MP3 file so that you can see.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_05: Uh which is fantastic news.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_06: So would the the Carbon Cub UL would have been powered by is is powered by the Rotex 916.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_06: 916.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_06: And the 916 is 160 horsepower max.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_05: 160 horsepower max and then 140 continuous.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_05: 140 continuous.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_05: And the TPR90 is 140 max.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_06: 140 continuous.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_05: So it's less powerful.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so you get a twenty twenty horsepower, the equivalent of twenty horsepower less.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_06: Less, yeah.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_06: But you get that such a cool sound.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_04: And that's what's really important.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_06: But it well, it's one of the things that's really important, isn't it?
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_06: Your sound core and you've got to make a nice landing.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_06: That's the rest of it doesn't really count.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_05: I'd go out on a limb and say, in the world of most carbon cub ownership, one upmanship of going, I've got the turbine.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_04: What are you trying to say about carbon cub owners?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_06: If I remember rightly, we looked at the Carbon Cub UL when it debuted at Aero not this year, but last year.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, may even be the year before.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_06: Whenever it was, and was that if I remember rightly, 300-ish thousand?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I think, yeah, it was around about because they were doing a deal that you could get like a deal on the on the installed stuff.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_06: It's like all these things, isn't it?
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_06: Here's the list price, and that's a bit like Ben Hurst's chariot.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_06: So if you want a radio and some seat belts, it's gonna cost you a bit more.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but uh but a typical it's it I mean a typical carbon cub um UL back then was around about 300,000.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_05: The yeah, clearly buying a turbine-powered carbon cub comes with a bigger sticker price.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_05: Are you ready for this?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_05: It's six hundred and ninety thousand dollars.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_06: Oh so that so if you wanted to sort of super simplify the world, yeah, you'd go that engine is another best part of four hundred.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_04: Well doubles the price.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_05: I suspect the carbon the carbon cub has just gone up in price.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_05: Like everything has gone up in price.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um I when I I was looking around trying to figure out because it's always sometimes difficult to figure out what the cost of things are, um, but it seems that the TPR90 is probably 90 to 100k if as a as a buyable item.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_06: There is currently no published list price for a TurboTech engine, as far as I understand.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_05: And you've got to figure out I the uh I know RoTax 916, I think, is around about 50,000 pounds now.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_05: And I like homing, list price, I that can be 100 grand plus.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_05: So that's scary, isn't it?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_05: I'm scary.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_05: The TPR90 has a TBO.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_05: Uh TurboTech are saying the TBO is going to be 3,000 hours, which is pretty impressive.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_05: So um and it's I feel like it's getting to crunch crunch time is the wrong word, but it's like a it's a bit of a tipping point for for TurboTech, because they're you were seeing more of their engines in more airframes.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_05: And um uh uh in an interview with Av Brief um uh Cubcrafter said that they're gonna build 12 um carbon cover ULTs next year.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_05: Um so you go, that's 12 engines that they're gonna have to do.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, they've got it made from the development into the cereal manufacturing, which is gonna be interesting.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_05: It's gonna be yeah, it's gonna be really interesting to see.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_05: But I have to say, this is I yeah, it's a bit wild and wacky, and£690,000 is a big sticker price, but it is really exciting to see aircraft like this.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_05: Because Cubcrafters do do a fantastic job on the engineering and the integration of this power plant, just like they did with the Rotax 916, this power plant with this airframe just looks absolutely fantastic.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_05: So, is this gonna join the SE1 in your stable of new aircraft, Ed?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_05: Uh not unless I get a really successful OnlyFans channel and sell all my vital organs.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_05: And nobody wants that.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_05: So um, but anyway, so uh Carbon Cub ULT uh flight testing is ongoing.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_05: Uh we're gonna see it at Oshkosh this year, which will be amazing.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but they sounds yeah, it sounds like they are, you know, they are beginning to think about production for next year.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and I even heard that they've sold that they've got seven diff deposits down already, four aircraft.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not surprised.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not surprised.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_06: I bet you a load of people, I think I think you mentioned somewhere uh a lot of people will have one of those as their second aircraft compared to their far more expensive first aircraft.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_06: But must be nice, eh?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_06: And it's 690, take my money.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_06: I'll have a couple.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_06: Just in case one's not got any fuel in it.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_06: Can I go?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_06: Annabelle.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_04: I have more new aircraft news.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_06: So more new aircraft than you can shake a stick at.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_04: Or a yoke.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_06: Or a yoke.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh this one's from Cirrus, and this is a purpose-built training aircraft aimed at professional flight schools.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_04: So called the TRAC 10 or the T R A C I or I'm going to call it the Track 10, is going to have three seats.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_04: So two in the front, a student and instructor, and then a slightly elevated seat at the back for an observer, which can also be equipped with a display.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um, this is going to be powered by the 160 horsepower RTAX 916 ISE, also with a fade egg.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so it has a load of the serious safety features.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's got the parachute system, electronic stability protection to correct unusual flight attitudes, a button that automatically returns the aircraft to straighten level flight, um, and stick shakers and a cuffed wing, which is the split feeding edge designed to improve store characteristics and increased spin resistance.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_06: And a parachute.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_06: And a parachute.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_06: Did you say it already?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_06: I missed that.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_06: Sorry, I was listening as intently to you as you were to me, clearly.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um So the starting price for this, we've just talked about the carbon cub.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: This is cheaper.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_04: This is just short of half a million dollars.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um they expect to start US deliveries in 2027.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_04: And they apparently have orders for more than a hundred aircraft from 13 flight schools worldwide.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not surprised.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not surprised.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_05: I mean this it this is an interesting one because I know usually we hear a little bit about what might be coming up, but Cirrus really did just go.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_05: Surprise! I know.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_05: Well, but but we we have known so there's been an aircraft out there.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I've if you you can go back about eight years, there was an aircraft that was seen around Duluth called the SR 18.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, and it was the beginnings of this, isn't it?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_05: And it and about six years ago, uh there was uh it kind of got Edcyclopedias off.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_05: It kind of got a bit more in the spotlight, and Cirrus went, yeah, no, this aeroplane does exist, uh, but it's a it's a trainer for overseas markets.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_05: And clearly they've gone actually, this is a good product for for the Western world as well.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_06: So it's reported as being a development of what became the AG 100 when that was certified over in China.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_06: I believe this is obviously certified in the US and worldwide after that, and it will be it will be manufactured in Duluth when it's sold out, yeah, uh, like all of their other aircraft.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but in in an observation, because the the this, like you say, surprise yesterday, and there was all sorts of stuff, and you're just gonna have Garmin Avionics, etc., etc., etc.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_06: But it didn't say which Garmin Avionics.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_06: Funny though.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_06: If you look at the GFC 500 picture, which is a detailed picture of the autopilot head, and you look I'm just gonna support you there.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_05: I I can see Ian going, ah, I believe that.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_05: It's the autopilot head.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_06: Well, no, I recognise the autopilot head because I've got one.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_04: It takes the making out of somebody else for being a nerd.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_06: But in the background and above it, in a slightly blurred way, yeah, I'm pretty sure that was an Axis screen.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_06: So I think the Cirrus Because of course track 10 will be equipped with Axis.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so track 10 announcement was just before them.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm guessing Cirrus were going, we want to tell you, but we can't.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, well neither no, neither Cirrus nor Garmin have confirmed that piece of news, or at least at the time of recording that had not been that's yeah, I think I it seems likely though.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's why wouldn't they?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_05: And I really like the idea of three seats, because this is and clearly the observer is going to be another pilot student sat in the back, because actually watching someone else learning is a great way to learn.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_06: So this is competitive with uh this makes it competitive with the Cessna 172, which has got a whole bunch of training sales.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_06: Mainly training sales.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_06: And then you've got the Piper 100 cadet, yeah.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_06: I think is it 100 cadet or 100i, yeah.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_06: Which itself is an is another three-seat aircraft.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_05: The hundred eye is uh fleet-only sales, isn't it?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_06: Fleet only sales and direct only from factory direct.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_06: You can't buy one from the dealer.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_06: From a dealer, yeah.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_06: No, but I think there might there's not much margin.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_06: And all of Cirrus is factory direct.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yeah.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm I'm I'm I under I can understand why they've initially decided to do this, uh, but it kind of makes sense that it would be a uh a schools only product.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_05: But certainly watching their social media over the last kind of 24, 36 hours, there's people just flooding the like Cirrus Facebook posts and other stuff, going, I want one of these for like private use.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_05: And I've only got two friends.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_06: But yeah, no, and I I think that I think the other spot that you may have mentioned and I may have just missed because I was concentrating on something else.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_06: Um was the the this big thing about that 65% power, this is going to be burning.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_06: Uh yeah, fuel economy, yeah.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_06: Fuel economy, 5.9 US gallons, which is I think 22 litres an hour or something like that.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, which is a massive improvement over any other trainer in the in that segment.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_06: In yeah, I mean you have to go down to the I mean it's it's interesting.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_06: The training market, we've all been running stories for like the last 20 years.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_06: Is this the new 152 beta kind of thing?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_06: But yeah, Technam have moved into that market, and they're pretty much Rotax and or Diesel.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_06: Um uh Elixir are moving into that market, Diamond are moving into that market.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and this is this is Cirrus are moving into that.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_06: I think the engine change is the big yeah.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, it's uh it is a a new aircraft, but the engine thing is is significant here.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_06: People are realising that Avgas is bloody expensive and going away.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yes.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_05: It reminds me, um, just talking of you know significant engines.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_05: I remember once being at Aero and uh Cirrus have their glass booths, and I remember seeing a whole bunch of Rotax people people uh furrow into a little meeting room, and I said someone at Cirrus later, I went, Are you doing something with RoTex?
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_05: It's like, no, nothing to see here.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_06: No, no, no, we must we must maybe our maybe our glass meeting rooms need to be glass.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm falling off my booster cushion.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_06: Are you yeah I am so there you go.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_06: Right, what's next then?
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_06: We've had two new airplanes, we've got a new Avionic 3.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_06: It's uh it's you.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_06: Is it me again?
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_04: With some avionics.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's more aviant news.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_05: Unbelievable.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_05: Uh uh this is from Dynon.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_05: Uh uh, so Dynon has announced that it's developing an integrated IFR GPS navigator for use with the certified and experimental Skyview HDX systems.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um curious that they've they've gone, hey, products um right now.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_05: But uh I'm guessing they're looking at what's going on in the world.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_05: And uh and and it's like let's announce now.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but eventually they're saying this will eventually provide full AFR navigation, including coupled RNAV LPV approaches without requiring conventional panel-mounted equipment.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um uh and that will be a bit like Garmin Access, a um an a remote-mounted module installed behind the panel.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_05: So meaning you can now have a cleaner, tidier panel, and I'm guessing uh that box might be cheaper than having to equip with another kind of IFR navigator.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_06: I mean I think I think I'm right in saying that uh don't have a uh have a good market with some of the home built experimental stuff, but in terms of certified stuff, they're they're they don't know.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, over over here, obviously in the States they've got a big STC AML list for Skyview HDX in in FAA certified aircraft.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um I I don't think that's had as much penetration to the CAA world over here.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_05: Obviously, there's some people with FAA aeroplanes that can use Skyview.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_06: They're not I don't believe they're currently ERS or CA approved.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_06: I'm sure that will be on their to-do list.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_05: So that's good.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but it does, you know, it's big news for the for the permit aircraft community, of which Skyview is a a Skyview HDX is a really popular choice.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_05: So um alongside the new navigation hardware, Dynon says that it's also developing an entirely new flight planning interface for Skyview HDX.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_05: Um so they're saying plan flights.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_05: It's saying rather than relying on menu structures familiar to the users of many traditional IFR navigators, uh Dynon's promising a more graphical workflow for loading, departures, arrivals, and approaches.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_05: So it'd be interesting to see what uh I need you can see some examples on screen.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um Is there any um ETA?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_05: There's no ETA yet.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, no news of who's making the box or what it's gonna cost.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_05: But I'm I'm guessing that's all still to be confirmed by Dynon.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_06: I think Oshgosh we should go and stand on the Dynon straight trick stand and go, we've got some questions.
• 37:55
  unknown: Yeah.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_05: You've got the answers.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_05: I'm sure maybe by then they'll have some answers.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_05: But um yeah, I'm two two big avionics announcements in one week.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's brilliant.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_06: And I think it's probably time to get closer to home.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_06: Story for Annabelle.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it's not about avionics.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's not about avionics, is it a new airplane?
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_05: But uh I think this is really exciting.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: Is this the same news story?
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_06: Tell us.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_04: Could this be the beginning of the end or the mats?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_06: Um live the mats.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_06: The mats is dead.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_06: Not yet.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_06: Not yet, not yet.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_06: Don't ignore it yet.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_06: Well you tell us more.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_04: The MOD has begun the airspace change process uh for what could be the first step towards replacing mats with a new type of regulated airspace.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_04: So the proposal was sponsored by the MOD on behalf of Lakinheath and Mildenhall and would introduce a temporary TMZ, which is a transponder mandatory zone, um, and that would extend to 10,000 foot in order to contain IFR and VFR procedures.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_04: It is only a trial, um, but the accompanying airspace change proposal documents show it's part of a wider programme to modernise airspace around UK military aerodromes.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_04: And it's being progressed under the CEA's fast track pro process.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um this is where there might be a bit of a problem because they're currently talking about implementation in October, which has prompted some questions from pilots who use paper charts because that change will happen before the next round of paper chart updates.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_04: I know there are these things.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_06: Are there people watching this that use paper charts as their main chart to that like wrapping paper?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um and alongside this, um the CEA published CAP 3281 on airspace design around UK aerodromes.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_05: I have to say, the whole big overhaul of airspace change, I was I've not had high hopes for.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_05: But when you hear stuff like this, you go, maybe it's gonna be more exciting than I imagined.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_05: I mean the mats is a bit of a bit of a weird anachronism, isn't it?
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_06: Because it doesn't actually apply to civilian pilots.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_06: So if you want to, you can just fly straight through a mats.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_06: Not the ATZ.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_06: I didn't say the ATZ, I said the MUTs.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um and it's legally speaking, it's no issue.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know anyone who actually does that.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone calls up and you go through this Foscal thing of getting permission to transit somewhere that you don't need permission to transit.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_04: And then sometimes you're denied.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_06: Sometimes you're denied.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, well.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_06: But you're like, wait, I don't need permission.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, so that that that's a little bit strange.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_06: So getting rid of that anachronism would be a good thing.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe along with getting rid of the anachronism of bloody regional QHs at the same time, because they're just mad.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_06: Are you not a big fan of a regional QH?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_06: No, it's about as useful as that fan is at calling us down in here as much as I appreciate it.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um But who's gonna miss asking for Matt's penetration?
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_06: Penetration, yeah, exactly.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_06: But I mean, so I think it's we can all keep a straight face.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_06: You're the only one, Annabelle.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_06: Um so I think it's it'll be interesting, but I think also the fact that it's fast-tracked is interesting, and I believe their cons consultation list has not been as wide as it could be.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_06: I don't believe they've consulted with many of the GA organizations, so for example.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_06: The LAA I think they LAA and AOP, yeah.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_04: The GAAC.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_06: And the G A C, which is why have you done that?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_06: Uh uh fail.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_06: But still.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_06: We're gonna rush it through and we're not gonna bother to go.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_06: I suppose at least that means we've decided anyway.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um interesting.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_05: I just I I find it intriguing that it might give us a flavour of how you know there might be further progressive design.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I think as as as someone pointed out on the flyer forum, yeah, throughout most of the world, IFR traffic and IFR approaches is segregated from other stuff for safety reasons.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_06: So we don't do that all the way always over here.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_06: And if that structure was there, and here's the key point, if that was properly resourced and managed, then it would be a negative thing.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_06: So for example, in the US, if you're flying into a Class D airport somewhere like Lakeland, which has approaches and everything else, the only thing you need for that transit is two-way communication.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_06: The minute the controller reads back your registration, that's it, you're cleared through.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_06: Over here, it's hard to cut it's hard to lose the impression that some of air traffic we're doing a little bit on the cheap, and we don't want to train air traffic controllers, we don't want to pay air traffic controllers, we don't have a joined up system for air traffic control, we have a bit of private here, a bit of private here, a bit of private here, a bit of private there.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_06: They're all bidding for contracts, all looking for the lower prices, and we end up with like a million and one listening scorks, which to my mind is probably a little bit of an elastoplast on the fact that we don't have a proper joined up flight information service, like somewhere like France, where you have flight information service or all Lango information in Germany, where it's absolutely brilliant.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_06: Um and we're going, you know, we can invent something completely new, and it all costs us not very much because there won't be any contracts and they won't have to do it, yeah, it would be fantastic.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_06: And it's like, why did you do that?
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, you did it because it's cheap, because we want to operate stuff on the cheap, because we don't have as as as a country, we don't have the money to do stuff proper some stuff properly, and yet people were still gonna we're the best place in the world for German aviation kind of thing.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_06: Is that still a thing?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, or is that thing?
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_05: Is that a long distant memory?
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_06: Probably.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_06: Probably.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_05: But anyway, that's where I that's where I sit on that.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_05: One more piece of news?
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_05: One more piece of news.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_05: And it's some EV toll news, and I don't go, oh no, EV tolls.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's some exciting EV toll news, and that's uh Skyfly, which is personally my favourite of all the EV tolls.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_05: They're the people with the slightly ordinary named axe, but still brilliant.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_05: I need to get an axe up here, like a proper axe.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_05: Minor diversion there.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but this is the um the two seat uh two seat four motor, well actually it's eight motors.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: But fixed rotors on the on the enter wings.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_05: This vehicle was in flight testing last year, and obviously you might remember that it made a it was the first EVTOL in the UK to fly a point-to-point flight.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_06: It was the first EVTO in the UK to fly to a place with a EVTOL site and not be able to get a flight.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_06: And not be able to land there, yes.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but less of that.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_05: But anyway, Skyfly had an event uh last week uh where they launched their uh div they launched their production specification axe mock-up.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_05: So obviously we've seen the um axe handle axe handle.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like that.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um but obviously we've seen the the development prototype and development prototypes are always rough.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_05: Uh this is a fully uh basically a fully finished um uh example of what an axe is.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_06: Does it look the same or has it changed much?
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_05: Um outwardly still looks the same, but interior-wise, and this is the big deal, is it's actually got a fully formed, beautiful interior now, and they've given they've given some kind of form to what the instrumentation is going to be, and it all looks pretty damn impressive.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_05: As you would imagine, for something like this, they've developed their own system.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_05: Um so the panel is really rather lovely in this kind of central module.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um but uh to do all the interior styling, they got Daryl Scriven, who is former chief designer at McLaren Automotive, because actually as it's pretty sensible if you're designing an aeroplane, usually an engineer goes, Well, you can have a chair with some with some covering and that's it.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_05: Um very rarely do you get an interior like on a Cirrus or something like that, that's actually go, is this actually what the buying public wants?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_06: Cirrus certainly employ an industrial designer for their interiors, and I I would I would bet that there are a couple of large manufacturers who I'm not gonna name who who don't and who go, there's a panel there, right?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_06: If we all stand back and throw these, whatever they learn, that's where we're gonna put them.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_05: So um uh so yeah, no, it's it was brilliant to see that.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_05: Um and Skyfly, uh they've just closed another they've just closed another round of funding, so doing really well.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_05: Loads of orders in the States uh because of mosaic.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um they fit in over there, so they're looking forward to certifying there.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_05: Um I also heard that um Skyfly they're gonna have then uh using the same basic airframe, but they're gonna have a longbow, which is a UAV.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_05: Uh interestingly, on that, that's gonna be because obviously the axe is battery powered, the longbow is gonna have a turbine generator, 65 kilowatts, uh, which will give it a 400 mile range at 100 miles an hour, uh, with a 200 kilogram payload.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_05: And curiously, they say that's either equipment or people.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_06: So or bombs.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_05: I I don't think it's I don't think that's the intention.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_06: It's it's more of a I'll guarantee you, if they do a drone for use in military use, someone somewhere will put something we'll think about that.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_05: But I explosive.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_05: I always like the idea.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm I'm intrigued by the idea of hybrid power.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_05: So to know that they're working on a turbo generator idea, you go that's because I'm I'm batteries clearly are not the answer for aviation yet.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_06: That's very true.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, it was fantastic to see that.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_07: Cool.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_07: Wow.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_05: Well that was an awful lot of news.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_06: Thank goodness, there's no more news.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_06: No, thank goodness.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_06: Let's let's let's move to club news next.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_06: Club news, Annabelle, give us a really quick 60-second elevator pitch.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_04: Right, it's July.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_04: Freelanding fees, Tibbonham, Longside, East Calicby, Redford, Gamston.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_04: Use all of those, you could say£50.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um, we've been asking members to take photos, videos, send them to me.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_04: No one's done that yet.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_04: Come on, please send me some pictures.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_04: Please, please, please, please.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um and there you go, that'll do.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_06: There you go.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_06: Excellent.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_06: Great.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_06: Don't forget, flyer.co.uk forward slash membership, six pounds per month or sixty-two pounds per year.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_06: It's a bargain, it gives you access to everything we do, it gives you full access to the forum, full axe, full axe, access, full access and access to the forum.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_06: So there you go.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_05: What caught my eye?
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_05: It is time for what caught your eye.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_05: Introduce what caught my eye, Ed.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_05: That's all right.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_05: Annabelle, what caught your eye?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_04: What caught my eye this week was swearing science.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_04: So bear with me.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_04: This is a team at Reading University that is researching, you guessed it, swearing.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_04: Apart from the obvious link to fuel and insurance costs, this caught my eye because they're engaging the public with Rudy, oh her air balloon.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and that's helping them promote the survey into what makes swear words a swear word.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_06: What's that got to do with fuel?
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_04: Well, do you not think that the price of fuel does that make you a little bit unhappy?
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's quite high.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but yeah, so Rudy made his first public appearance last weekend at the Swindon Balloon Festival.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_04: Uh PhD researcher Chris Dobson is looking into the words we say, in response to pain and whether swearing helps us tolerate painful situations.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_04: Like trying to find a seaplane examiner.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_05: Um, this fuel is expensive.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_04: Or look at the price of insurance.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um just bought insurance recently.
• 49:08
  unknown: Yeah, I have.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_04: But before his academic career, Chris was a commercial balloon pilot.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_04: So I think this is just a really good reminder that anything that flies, particularly if it's 60 foot high and orange with some swearing things, makes people curious.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_04: So you can find them on social media at a big swear word across it.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_04: It does, yeah.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_05: I I I always love it when an aviation person joins a company and says let's buy an X or a Y, a balloon or an aeroplane or whatever.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_04: I love this.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_04: That's very good.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_04: And it's orange.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_05: So watch out, watch out for that.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_05: Watch out for the swearing balloon.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_04: Swearing science.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_05: Ian, what caught your eye?
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_06: Well, 50 years ago, not sure where you 50 years ago at the end of July.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_05: End of June.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_06: Are you sure about that?
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_05: Are you sure?
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_05: I was.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, oh no.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_05: You see?
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_05: 50 years ago on 28th of July 1976.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_05: You were right.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_05: Whoa, good.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_06: Thank God that's still recording.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_06: Can you say that again, Ed?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_06: I didn't hear you.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_06: You were right.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_04: Woohoo!
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_06: Doesn't teach me.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_06: Celebration.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_06: Right, Bob.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_06: 28th of July.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_06: Um, 1976.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_06: Where were you?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_06: I wasn't bad.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_06: Was that the hot year 76?
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_06: I think so, yeah.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_06: But I wasn't lying.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_06: I was barely one.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_06: You were better.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I was it was it was decades before you were.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_06: I was I was a teenager.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_06: Uh-huh.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_06: So there you go.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_05: Were you drawing around in a Ford Escort in SNC?
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_06: No, I wasn't that much of an old teenager.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_06: Really long hair.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_06: I probably did.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_06: A bit of a mullet.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_06: Probably did have a long, long hair.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_04: And bell bottom trousers.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_06: High waists, I think we had in those days.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_06: I think we need to get some pictures.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_06: High waisters and bell bottomers.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_06: Get some pictures.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_06: No pictures will be available.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_06: Photo realistic AI is not admissible.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, basically sat on the tarmac at BL Air Force Base for a couple of SR-21s, you know, the super fast best aircraft in the world ever been made.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_06: Kelly Johnson, Skunkworks, Lockheed, that kind of thing.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_06: They were just departing to go and burn a whole load of fuel to set some speed records.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_06: And they set some speed records.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_06: Well, they set an altitude record first.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_06: They went up to because it's an FAI altitude record.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_06: It's in meters.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_06: So 2,000, 25,929 metres, which I've got, what's that?
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_06: That's quite hard.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_06: But basically 85,068 feet.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_06: They overshot.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_06: Could have been more accurate there flying, but you know it's a that doesn't really exist anymore because the FA FA have changed the way they do altitude stuff.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_06: But you know, I think that's pretty damn high.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_06: And a couple of speed records, and the speed records were set across a close course, which is 15 to 25 kilometers, a fixed distance, 15 to 25, and then an absolute speed speed record.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_05: Can you imagine flying a 15 kilometer speed record in a it would be like you sneeze and it's done.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that must have been the 68 68 foot.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, so the uh the speed they achieved in kilometres an hour, because that's what it was, was 3,529.56 kilometres an hour, uh, which in knots is about 1,905 knots, which is 32 miles a minute.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, if I'm right.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_06: And uh depending on the temperature, which I don't know what it was at the time, that's about max 3.2-ish, something like that.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_06: And so they use the same speed.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_06: That was the speed they got in their 1525 kilometre course, and also that was the fastest speed they got before.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_06: They've also set a whole bunch of other records, which are kind of coast to coast type records, and pretty much anywhere they go back between they're gonna set a speed record.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_06: But this this sort of took off from Beale, landed back at Beale purely just uh 50 years later.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_06: Is that still does that still stand?
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_06: That does still stand.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, there are people who will tell you that undoubtedly something's been a bit faster.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_05: Um I can imagine that maybe someone's made something that does go faster than Blackbird, but I guess officially that still stands.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_06: No one's done it for an FAI world record, that's for sure.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_06: Um and I'm too busy to try because the 182 will probably do it.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure it would, yeah.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_06: But I think that's I mean, not only is that a spectacularly brilliant um aeroplane, yeah, brilliant records.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_06: Um and if you haven't read the the book by Ben Rich uh called Skunkworks, then you are you your life is not complete.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_06: Seriously, go read that book.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_06: There's some brilliant SR seventy one stories peppered through there as well.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_06: It is like classic book.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_06: Have to read it.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_06: There you go.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_06: That caught my eye.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, what a great caught your eye, too.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_05: Uh which just leaves me.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_05: What caught your eye, Ed?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_05: Caught your eye, Ed.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_05: This was um I was I was browsing the wrong date.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_05: It was the wrong date, yeah.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I was browsing YouTube uh just yesterday, and I spotted a a video from our favourite YouTuber, Brian Turner, of Just Plain Silly.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_05: Because he's turned Brian with a Y.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_05: Brian with a Y, he's turned ten in his YouTube career.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, the channel.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_04: I thought he was a bit older than ten.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, he's older than ten.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_05: He's he's got an airline career now, so uh he definitely has to be more than ten.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_05: He has to shave and everything now.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_05: But you're uh people who've watched the the Flyer live stream and uh you know go go back a few years, you might remember Brian because Brian was part of Dave Gate.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_05: You remember when Dave Gate Dave Gate when uh Flyer had an article where we all looked at uh we all picked our favorite YouTubers and uh on bro on Dave's list, and I seem to remember that I gave everyone a I gave everyone a list of YouTubers, Dave decided that he would write about Brian.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_00: And uh this guy, David Calderwood, is one of the guys he picked his favorite uh four, and then just chose this other YouTube channel just to kind of nitpick.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um so the fifth YouTube channel that he picked to be his not so much favorite, unfortunately it was mine.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and so anyway, here's what he wrote about me.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: If you've the intellect of a gnat, you'll probably like just playing silly for a minute or two.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: Any high life form will want to move on quicker.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_06: Um even though it probably is strange, and I agree with you, Ed, at the moment it's it's an exclusion, basically.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_05: Unless you're uh before we go on, I'd just like to say that we have some YouTube royalty in the comments tonight.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_05: Uh just playing silly.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_05: Some of you will be familiar with this YouTube channel, it's one of the funnier ones around.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, we ran a feature recently about our and that the look of surprise on Dave's face is legendary.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_05: It led to us having Brian on the show.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_05: He's become a real real friend of the show.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_05: We've seen it, we've met up with him at Oshkosh.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, but uh I'll put a link in the description, you can see a bit of footage here.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_05: But we had Brian on the show and we had the legendary Brian versus Dave quiz, which was hilarious.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_05: Which of these facts about Dave is true?
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_05: Is it A?
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_05: He is totally obsessed by Luscans.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_05: B he has offended several different countries, with the Ukraine being top of that when he said that the fox bat was made in Russia.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_05: C.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_05: He now understands that comedy.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_05: Or D, he often needs a mid-afternoon nap when he is getting old.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I've been watching enough of you guys' live streams over the last two weeks that I know the answer is all for.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_05: Excellent choice.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I can so I can say that you've all got to the end of the you've both got to the end of the quiz, and at the moment you have you are level pegging.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_05: So we have a tie break situation.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_05: Ian, can I have the tie break question?
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, the tie break question is what is the FA identifier for Northwest Regional Airport?
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_05: Dave, I need your answer first.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh 37.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: So close, so close.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um 5-2, 5-2 Foxtrot.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just guessing.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_05: Brian, that is correct.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_05: Brian, you are the autumn champion of the internet.
• 57:01
  unknown: Very cool.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_05: In no way They were dressed up as boxers.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_05: Ed was the ring girl.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_05: Always wanted to be a ring girl, yeah.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but it was fantastic.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_05: Introduced us uh to uh Mrs.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_05: Turner as well, uh Brian's wife Erin, who turns out she holds she is head of the Turner Finance Committee because when at the time he was talking about selling his Grumman AA5, and it's like have a Grumman AA5 giveaway.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, I don't approve of that.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_05: I do not approve.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but anyway, happy birthday, Brian.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_05: Ten years of fantastic broadcast.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_06: We look forward to catching up with you at OSH.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely, yeah.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_06: That would be good.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_06: Cool.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_06: Brilliant, great.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_04: Speaking of Oshkosh.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_06: So let's have some events.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_06: Let's have some events.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_04: So there's Oshkosh.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_04: But you're going to talk about that next week.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and then there's only one event, really, to talk about.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_04: This week's pilot careers live.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_04: Ah!
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_05: Pilot Career's Live.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_05: And in Manchester, at the Sheridan Centre.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_05: Not Sheraton.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_06: Sheridan.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_04: Sheridaton.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_05: So this is Saturday.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so this is if you want to start your pilot training career.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_05: This is the first time.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_05: You want to become an airline pilot?
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_06: That is where you need to go.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_06: If you're in the in the north, we hold them throughout Europe.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_06: We hold them in London, we hold them in Dublin.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but this one's at Manchester, uh, it's on Saturday, starts at 10 o'clock.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um even bigger than that, though.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_04: And if you're not there, and why wouldn't you be there?
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_04: You could alternatively go to Sleepkosh, which was on this weekend.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um and if you're a Flyer Club member, I'm gonna be there Saturday.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_04: So come and find me.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_04: I am gonna hijack Poolies for this.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, Poolies, in advance.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_04: So if you're Flyer Club member, come and find me on the stand at 12 on Saturday.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_04: And and I'm gonna come equipped with some things to give away.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_06: Ooh.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_06: Free beaver.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna now.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_06: Moving on swiftly from that, I suggest that if you would like, there are probably some alternative events going on in the UK.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_06: If I were you, I would go to flyer.co.uk forward slash events.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_06: And if you are a member, you'll have access to our entire events listing, and you can go and sit from there for yourself and not have to worry about Annabelle's corpsing at the moment.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_06: On that basis, I think we have come to the end of this week's.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_06: I would like to thank Sky Demon for supporting the show.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_06: I would like to thank everybody out there for watching, for the team here for being part of it, and and just the whole world for what a stunning week of aviation news.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_05: It has been, and I don't think we'll be eclipsed as the big week of aviation news.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_05: I can't even see that Oshkosh will eclipse it.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_06: No, I think you're probably right.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_06: So there you go.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_06: Big, big thing.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna go and measure my panel and see where I'm gonna stick my speaker.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks very much, everyone.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_06: Have a good one.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_06: Bye.
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