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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Browns Should Start Shedeur, From The NFL Back To…College? JJ McCarthy Is A Bust, Seahawks Underrated? · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 2: Former NFL scout John middlecoff Our Sundays for the next
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Speaker 2: twenty plus weeks. We started last week, so I think
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Speaker 2: we should start. I mean, generally we want to start
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Speaker 2: with more interesting teams. But the situation in Cleveland where
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Speaker 2: Deshaun was awful Shadur was better, was only part of
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Speaker 2: the story. Shadur had a five and a half six
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Speaker 2: minute interview on the sidelines during the game which he
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Speaker 2: was incredibly like, thoughtful and likable and relatable. I like
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Speaker 2: him as a kid. I thought he was immature when
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Speaker 2: he came out got the speeding tickets. But I like him.
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think I think he's bad. Guys,
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Speaker 2: just he's just young. Right, you go up your dad's
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Speaker 2: you know, famous.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: Deshaun, after a horrible outing basically in the press conference,
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Speaker 2: said the booing from the fans is disrespectful. It's personal,
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Speaker 2: like you know with DeShawn. I you know, you can
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Speaker 2: go back several years on this. I don't think he
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Speaker 2: has a ton of self awareness, which I think being
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Speaker 2: a quarterback in pro football is really really important. I
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Speaker 2: mean I would have a hard time not starting Shador Sanders.
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Speaker 2: And for the record, the win loss record really isn't
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Speaker 2: the issue here. Because it's not a great team, why
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Speaker 2: not just go generally? This isn't why I would make
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Speaker 2: a decision. But if you're not going to be good,
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Speaker 2: why not just go with a popular kid, the younger
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Speaker 2: kid who I think in the room, the locker room
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Speaker 2: is kind of well liked. Why not just go with
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Speaker 2: the younger kid? Should Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I mean I think yesterday was a tipping point on Saturday.
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Speaker 1: You can't have a guy that your entire fan base
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Speaker 1: just despises personally and professionally. It's like DeShawn, Yeah, they
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Speaker 1: can't stand you personally, you know, everything that happened off
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Speaker 1: the field, Like, we're not idiots. We've all lived long
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Speaker 1: enough now. And most importantly, they might have been able
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Speaker 1: to forget it if you could play and you are
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Speaker 1: objectively awful, I mean terrible, and if you didn't have
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Speaker 1: an albatross of a contract, they would cut you like
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Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent. I mean they really would. And
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Speaker 1: then when you have this lack of self awareness, and
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Speaker 1: you can tell me the locker room doesn't have an issue.
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Speaker 1: That's fine, but you can't roll out a guy because
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Speaker 1: I thought the whole time they're just gonna start to Sean.
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Speaker 1: He's making a bunch of money. And Shan comes in
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Speaker 1: four or five weeks in when people are listening to this,
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Speaker 1: I guess this comes out Sunday night. But on Monday,
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Speaker 1: my kid said he's gonna name a starter. So my
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Speaker 1: guess is Shador is named, and I don't know what
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Speaker 1: they do. The other thing is if financially they could
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Speaker 1: release them, I don't think another team would touch them.
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Speaker 2: Oh no.
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Speaker 1: And I would never say never because his agent's Mulgeta
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Speaker 1: and that guy's got a lot of Jews. Sometimes you
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Speaker 1: do favors. It's business. But I think he's as untouchable
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Speaker 1: as any player in the league. I mean, you see
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Speaker 1: Terry on Arnold, he gets in this. I mean, did
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Speaker 1: you read the Athletic article a month ago or three
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Speaker 1: weeks ago on that situation. I was like, geez, Louise,
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Speaker 1: he gets released ten teemsle. You know, it's like not
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Speaker 1: even and even John Schneider. If you watch hard knocks like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: if he had been our draft pick, we would have
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Speaker 1: had to cut him. But he's not. Now We're not
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Speaker 1: that invested. That's the way the business words this guy's is.
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Speaker 1: I would say it's toxic of anyone in any business
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Speaker 1: right now in America. I've done serious. I mean I
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Speaker 1: think yesterday, I don't blame the fans like now booing
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Speaker 1: him for Terran's achilles. But I don't think they were
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Speaker 1: booing that he was hurt. They were just booing the situation.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's this fan base. Remember the jersey with
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Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks on the back. There's been like seven
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Speaker 1: hundreds as they restarted. It's just I mean, now, Shadoor
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Speaker 1: actually have not a bad spot because the bar is
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Speaker 1: so low. This guy. It's not exactly like he's taking
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Speaker 1: over the truck elway you know me well.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing is they have drafted well the
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Speaker 2: last couple of years, and they've drafted a lot of
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Speaker 2: offensive players. Boston and Concepcion will step right in and play.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: They have their right tackle situation with Fanno taken care of. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they've got real talent in Cleveland. And listen, they they
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Speaker 2: beat last year they beat Green Bay, so I know
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna think. I don't think they're a playoff team,
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Speaker 2: but if they they got kind of a sneaky six wins.
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Speaker 2: They were kind of good at home. And listen, I
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Speaker 2: every time I watch Shador, my take is he just
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Speaker 2: needs reps like Colorado. Since Dion Sanders has taken over,
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Speaker 2: he Deon's the opposite of Kurt Signetti. Signetti comes in immediately.
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Speaker 2: Indiana can run the ball and protect the quarterback. Since
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Speaker 2: Dion has arrived in Colorado, they have the worst rushing
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Speaker 2: attack in college football, dead last of like one hundred
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Speaker 2: and thirty D one teams, and they have the worst
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Speaker 2: pass blocking offensive line. So let's be honest. Dion was
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Speaker 2: hired not because he was going to be a great coach.
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Speaker 2: I mean I never thought that. I don't think anybody
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Speaker 2: thought that, but he does. He did make Colorado interesting,
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Speaker 2: and I think there's value in that when you're Colorado
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Speaker 2: like recruiting, and I think they were well I just
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Speaker 2: saw a stat last week They've lost like sixty seven
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Speaker 2: percent of their TV audience. So now Colorado is not
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Speaker 2: even interesting. But Signetti is all product, no pomp and circumstance.
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Speaker 2: Deon's the opposite. So Shador played with no run game
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Speaker 2: and an atrocious offensive line, and he was productive, he
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Speaker 2: was accurate. And my take is, well, Cleveland's got I
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Speaker 2: think Cleveland's got an offensive coach, a legitimate coach, a
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Speaker 2: better offensive line. I think they have real skill people,
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Speaker 2: and Judkins could give you a running attack. So my
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Speaker 2: take is, when you judged Shadure, did people consider how
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Speaker 2: mediocre first of all, how bad the offensive talent was, line,
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Speaker 2: running back, tight end, and how mediocre to below average
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Speaker 2: the coaching was. So I think there's something there in Cleveland.
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Speaker 1: Was yesterday doing a little daddy daycare. I had on
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Speaker 1: a NFL network because these games on Saturday and Sundays
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Speaker 1: started at like ten am. Well, they had the Cleveland
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Speaker 1: lightning delay, so they had to stop the Bills Browns game,
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Speaker 1: and they just started going to other games. They went
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Speaker 1: to the Minnesota so I'm expecting to get Shador Sanders
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Speaker 1: and boom, JJ McCarthy comes on my screen. So I'm
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Speaker 1: watching JJ McCarthy air, no touch. He throws one fastball,
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Speaker 1: sometimes he hits it, and a lot of times he's
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Speaker 1: it's going all over the map. Well, then the lightning
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Speaker 1: delay ends, Shadoor comes on, so you're kind of just
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Speaker 1: watching them. They're not playing each other, but they're on TV,
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Speaker 1: you know, simultaneous and should and this goes back to colorad.
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Speaker 1: Chadur does not have I would say JJ's got a
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Speaker 1: better arm. Schaudur has way more touches. Just from a
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Speaker 1: natural touchstandpoint. He can throw. I mean he's more like
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Speaker 1: a low nineties pitcher, but he can locate. Now he
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Speaker 1: can't really move, so I mean blocking for him is important,
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Speaker 1: but he's definitely a I would call him a touch thrower.
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Speaker 1: He is an anticipation touch thrower. J is as of
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Speaker 1: this point, a complete disaster. I would not make him
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Speaker 1: the second string cour he has no touch and you
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Speaker 1: cannot play, just like you can't pitch the big leagues.
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Speaker 1: If you can't locate, you could not play quarterback, whether
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Speaker 1: you have a big arm, small arm, if you cannot
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Speaker 1: have touch on passes, that's short, intermediate, deep. So I
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Speaker 1: watch Chador and go, Yeah, Deshawn's got nothing. Can't move.
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Speaker 1: I mean, no playmaking, no accuracy, no arm strength. He's
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Speaker 1: never had a big arm. You know, his cop early
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, he kind of plays like Russell Wilson.
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Speaker 1: He kind of did run around freelance, but he's always
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Speaker 1: had a weak arm relative to like what you would
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Speaker 1: think of like Russell Wilson had. I remember when he
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Speaker 1: did not.
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Speaker 2: I remember when Deshaun came out. I remember, you know,
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Speaker 2: I read these NFL dot Com and Lances are Line.
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Speaker 2: I read all these draft previews. I mean I read
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Speaker 2: virtually the top two hundred players. I love reading that stuff.
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Speaker 2: And DeShawn you know, uh Gabbo called him Michael Jordan,
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Speaker 2: But the truth was he was a very average prospect.
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Speaker 2: He was a B prospect. Despite his great college success.
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Speaker 2: He had an average arm. I've never thought he was
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Speaker 2: terribly accurate, although you could probably show me some you know,
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Speaker 2: some stats at Houston, but I just never they were
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Speaker 2: winning a bad division a couple of times. He was athletic,
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Speaker 2: he had he could make this spectacular play, but I
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Speaker 2: never really trusted him in terms of, you know, the
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Speaker 2: next level quarterback stuff. I listen, I take pride in
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Speaker 2: my quarterback opinions, and I think Shadour was at worst
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Speaker 2: a low second round pick. It was a week draft. Now,
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Speaker 2: it was a week maybe in a great draft. He's
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Speaker 2: a late third. But I always said you could argue,
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Speaker 2: and I got this from two executives who have drafted
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Speaker 2: star quarterbacks in the NFL. I asked him and they said,
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Speaker 2: you can make an argument. He's a first round quarterback
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Speaker 2: in this draft. Nobody. Nobody felt that about Kenny Pickett.
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Speaker 2: I was told by a GM that did not need
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Speaker 2: a quarterback, who currently has a star quarterback. He's like,
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Speaker 2: we have him as a mid to late third round pick.
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Speaker 2: People the people I trust like Shador, and again, Colorado
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Speaker 2: had no run game. Colorado had no offensive line, and
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Speaker 2: the coaching was below average, and he was pretty damn
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Speaker 2: productive in comor I don't think.
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Speaker 1: Chador has is like in all athletes whose parents were
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Speaker 1: pro athletes in general, but his you know, Steph Curry's
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Speaker 1: dad was Del Curry. This guy's dad was Dion Sanderson,
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Speaker 1: who was equally as famous once he retired. I mean,
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Speaker 1: his star is never really dimmed, like he's been rich
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Speaker 1: and famous and been around in his whole life. You
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Speaker 1: saw it to Seawan, Yeah, you know, used to talk
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Speaker 1: about this in college football right when Clemson and Alabama
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Speaker 1: were playing. By then, it's not nearly as big as
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Speaker 1: what it is now. Saban was, but the sport was
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Speaker 1: just so located in the South, no one else had
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Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah, he gets to Houston and he became
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Speaker 1: a star, and they weren't paying players back then. He
10:27
Speaker 1: got out of Houston, not because it was like his
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Speaker 1: rookie contract, they'd already given him a big contract. It's
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Speaker 1: like he couldn't handle the fame, the money, like bro
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Speaker 1: get a girlfriend, Like you can't be I can't have
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Speaker 1: my quarterback not being able to handle what comes along
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Speaker 1: with it. And clearly he failed every single test, but
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Speaker 1: he got bailed out. So when people like I can't
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Speaker 1: believe how the lack of account of it, you can't.
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Speaker 1: He had thirty pending lawsuits and he ran away and
10:54
Speaker 1: someone had traded three first round picks for a guy
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Speaker 1: that had just gone four and twelve who then the
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Speaker 1: league socipend it and they gave two hundred and thirty
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Speaker 1: million dollars to and not a fake contract like a
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Speaker 1: real NBA one. So yeah, I mean, how can the
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Speaker 1: guy be out of touch? Well, I mean it's it's
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Speaker 1: pretty clear two people benefited from this transaction. Well three
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Speaker 1: the Texans, David will get Intoshan Watson, everyone else. The Browns.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's gonna go down as the worst
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Speaker 1: transaction in the history league.
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Speaker 2: It, in my opinion, I've never seen. I mean again,
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Speaker 2: when Russell went to Denver, people go, oh, look what
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Speaker 2: they gave up. But Russell was a one hundred passer rating,
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Speaker 2: ninety passer rating guy. He did fall off a cliff.
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Speaker 2: He just did and without an injury, which is fairly inexplicable.
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Speaker 2: But I understood Denver rolling the dice on Russell because
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Speaker 2: I was in the camp of maybe Pete Carroll's not
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Speaker 2: the coach we think. I mean, he is pretty damn
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Speaker 2: good on the deep ball. He doesn't get in trouble,
11:53
Speaker 2: you know, He's just a kind of a guy that
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Speaker 2: you you know, he's obsessed with football. And he fell
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Speaker 2: off a cliff. But the Deshaun Watson warning signs on
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Speaker 2: and off the field were a major flashing red light
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Speaker 2: in Cleveland. Jimmy Haslam acknowledges it now. It was just
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Speaker 2: an egregiously bat between Deshaun's judgment and Jimmy Haslam's judgment
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Speaker 2: with the contract. I don't have any pity for Cleveland,
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Speaker 2: but I do think the fans are right that booing
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Speaker 2: was more than just performance based. It's just like we
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Speaker 2: just think it, you know.
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Speaker 1: We just want you out it. Yes, we don't care
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Speaker 1: financially totally money, just make this end and look at
12:35
Speaker 1: look at the three teams, you know, Russell Wilson or
12:37
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, when these guys, all these if Joe Burrow
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Speaker 1: became available, you just you just go run the league
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Speaker 1: when players become available. It was Carolina in Atlanta, in
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, Like that's what it came down to, exactly.
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Speaker 1: John Schneider, Howie Roseman Unlessni beating down the door for
12:55
Speaker 1: this guy. So I think that this experiment, who knows,
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Speaker 1: maybe they end up it's got so ugly they eat
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Speaker 1: it and they just cut them and they just figured
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Speaker 1: it out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I do want to pivot to JJ McCarthy,
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Speaker 2: who was you know, five for ten. There was a
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Speaker 2: play in the end zone that was basically a touchdown,
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Speaker 2: just a quick, easy layup for any quarterback, starter, backup
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Speaker 2: Stetson Bennett. It doesn't matter if you're a third or second.
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Speaker 2: It's just a two step pop it over there to
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Speaker 2: the right touchdown. Sailed it. And one of the things
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Speaker 2: that's really obvious and I feel bad for JJ McCarthy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I've said it, he was the one quarterback
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Speaker 2: in that draft I just did not buy. He didn't
13:41
Speaker 2: initiate Michigan's offense. So then you ask him to go
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Speaker 2: to the NFL and it's like, well he hasn't. This
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Speaker 2: is a huge It's hard enough to go college to
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Speaker 2: pro if you're Fernando Mendoza and did initiate a lot
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Speaker 2: of your team's offense or Jared Goff, it's hard enough
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Speaker 2: to do that. But when I think there's a rule,
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Speaker 2: when Kyle Shanahan can't figure you out, Cowboys don't trade
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Speaker 2: a fourth round pick for Trey Lance. And when Kevin
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Speaker 2: O'Connell can't figure out JJ McCarthy, right, we know there's
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Speaker 2: We know there are a lot of defensive coaches who
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Speaker 2: just don't have the sensibility for quarterback. But if a McVeigh,
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Speaker 2: a Shanahan, a Kevin O'Connell, I mean, Liam Cohen looks
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Speaker 2: like he loo look at Baker's numbers. With Liam Cohen,
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Speaker 2: he looked like a top ten quarterback. He leaves and
14:29
Speaker 2: he's just not the same quarterback. Trevor Lawrence. I loved
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Speaker 2: him out of college I think you did too. I
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Speaker 2: mean he was really I mean, John, you got to
14:36
Speaker 2: a point with Trevor You're like, oh, this just doesn't
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Speaker 2: work at all, and then you watched last year are like, oh, finally,
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Speaker 2: so obviously coaching matters. But I think with JJ, a
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Speaker 2: lot of it, a lot of the indictment is not
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Speaker 2: just what you see but who he's failing with. And
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Speaker 2: you know, I think I don't know what you do.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. Again, the Vikings are are not Cleveland. They
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Speaker 2: could be a playoff team. They could actually woul Kyler
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Speaker 2: be a ten to eleven win team. It wouldn't shock anybody.
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Speaker 2: They They've got maybe the best defensive coordinator in the league.
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Speaker 2: They've got some nice offensive pieces of my opinion, But
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Speaker 2: what do you do with JJ mccarson.
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Speaker 1: Well, what my guess is here on August twenty third,
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Speaker 1: he's not even gonna be the backup quarterback because you
15:19
Speaker 1: see that pass that that sails over and again a
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Speaker 1: guy wide open, that's not that far away. You don't
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Speaker 1: need to throw it as hard as humanly possible. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that ball got on that guy so fat, there was
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Speaker 1: no one around, he was white. He could have just
15:34
Speaker 1: thrown a lollie. That's the pass. Like the second tier guys.
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Speaker 1: I saw Jordan Love had a touchdown pass last night,
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Speaker 1: But you just watch like the guy was right in
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Speaker 1: front of him. The receiver or running back did most
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Speaker 1: of the work. But sometimes you just throw a little lollipop.
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Speaker 1: You know, you watch Baker Mayfield or Jared Goff or
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Speaker 1: Brock Purty, the Dacks, the second tier guys, lolli they
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Speaker 1: would hit that. What do you think ninety five percent
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Speaker 1: of the time.
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Speaker 2: I mean, oh god, higher those guys.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, the elite guys always hit him. The high end guys.
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Speaker 1: To me, you can't make him your backup quarterback because
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Speaker 1: Kyler's question marks with injuries. He'd go down. Like you
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Speaker 1: go to him, you're gonna lose. You couldn't. You couldn't
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Speaker 1: win regular season games against decent teams with this guy,
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Speaker 1: Carson wentz. You at least have a chance. Uh, it's
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Speaker 1: just a disaster. And this gets back to like this
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Speaker 1: is they just picked the wrong guy. You know that
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Speaker 1: they and listen, they were picking the fifth guy of
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Speaker 1: the class, but the sixth guy turned out to be
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Speaker 1: bon Nicks. Who I know this. They wouldn't trade Bonnicks
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Speaker 1: traight up for J. J. McCarthy and Bo Nicks if
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Speaker 1: he doesn't break his ankles, probably in the Super Bowl,
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Speaker 1: and obviously Seattle's really good, but that would have been
16:43
Speaker 1: a game. I mean that they you know, New England
16:47
Speaker 1: had no chance, like Denver was equipped to physically have
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Speaker 1: a game with them, and bo Nix is dramatically better.
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Speaker 1: And if you just look back, you're like, well, he
16:56
Speaker 1: was way more productive in college, right, especially he had
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Speaker 1: to bounce around like JJ. You just go back to
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Speaker 1: the college profile and you go m Anthony Richson the
17:05
Speaker 1: college profile, Trey Lance the college Like we have specific
17:09
Speaker 1: examples now of these profiles that were dramatic red flags
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Speaker 1: and all of them blew up. You know.
17:16
Speaker 2: One of the things I remember this year so ago,
17:19
Speaker 2: remember Danny Whirfule at Florida who I was down in
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Speaker 2: Tampa when Werfel was down there in Gainesville.
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Speaker 1: He was a.
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Speaker 2: Profound, prodigious college guy with Steve Spurrier. But I remember
17:31
Speaker 2: talking to rich McKay was the GM of Tampa, and
17:36
Speaker 2: I said, what do you do with Werfel? And he said, listen,
17:38
Speaker 2: he's a local kid. We you know, we want the
17:41
Speaker 2: local kids to succeed. And I think I can say
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Speaker 2: this now, but Rich just said, we just doesn't for us.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't feel like he has the arm strain through
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Speaker 2: the athleticism. And I don't remember exactly what Rich told me,
17:53
Speaker 2: but he said basically, listen, great kid, great family, local kid,
17:58
Speaker 2: were rooting for him, but you know, I just we
18:01
Speaker 2: don't see him quite. And then Mike Ditka, remember Mike
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Speaker 2: Ditka said, hey, he's a winner. Mike was down with
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Speaker 2: the Saints. I think, hey, he's a winner. I always
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Speaker 2: push back. I heard this about JJ McCarthy, he's a winner. Well,
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Speaker 2: under Harbaugh or Steve Spurrier. You know, the truth is
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Speaker 2: with Kurt Signetti, they're all going to be winners. Nick
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Speaker 2: Saban's quarterbacks, they're all winners. So that's that's another red flag.
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Speaker 2: Whenever I hear that, when you say, well, how's the arm,
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Speaker 2: how's this, how's the pacing, how's the touch, how's it?
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Speaker 2: He is a winner? That is a massive red flag.
18:38
Speaker 2: And I kept hearing that over and over and over,
18:42
Speaker 2: and it's like, that's that doesn't mean anything to me.
18:46
Speaker 2: I could. I can give you so many college quarterbacks
18:50
Speaker 2: who went to who are in great programs who win nine,
18:53
Speaker 2: ten eleven games because they have you know, those Alabama
18:57
Speaker 2: guys under Saban. I mean, look, think about the offense.
19:00
Speaker 2: Some coordinators it was kiffing, it was sark like you
19:04
Speaker 2: the best offensive coordinator for about an eight year stretch.
19:07
Speaker 2: It's like they make everybody look great. So yeah, I
19:11
Speaker 2: just I don't think it works. I wish I'm the best.
19:13
Speaker 2: I think I don't know what they do.
19:16
Speaker 1: How often do you think? Do you see guys didn't
19:19
Speaker 1: need a dramatic mechanic change at quarterback, which they spent
19:23
Speaker 1: last year working on as mechanics, and this year clearly
19:26
Speaker 1: you've lose your confidence because when you're thinking about mechanics,
19:29
Speaker 1: you can't just go out and play. You're thinking you
19:31
Speaker 1: could see it. He's just robotic. He doesn't have any feel.
19:34
Speaker 1: It feels like it just feels like he's pushing it
19:36
Speaker 1: toward instead of just led it rip. And I just
19:40
Speaker 1: think it's a the evaluation. They bet on the guy.
19:44
Speaker 1: But remember, like he's I don't remember he was doing
19:48
Speaker 1: like the meditations before games in college. It's like, bro,
19:52
Speaker 1: you hand it off eighty percent of the time. You
19:54
Speaker 1: know this isn't this isn't asking Mahomes to throw it
19:57
Speaker 1: seventy five times in Texas Tech. So yeah, I I
20:00
Speaker 1: think it's over, you know, I.
20:02
Speaker 2: Think it's I mean the air thing, the air thing,
20:05
Speaker 2: John I did it this week on FS one. I
20:08
Speaker 2: went and looked. I didn't count this draft, but I
20:10
Speaker 2: went back to the previous five drafts. Fifty seven quarterbacks drafted.
20:16
Speaker 2: Six are what I would call franchise quarterbacks where I'm
20:20
Speaker 2: not making a call, and two of those, Bo Nix
20:22
Speaker 2: and C. J. Stroud. There's a lot of doubters. I
20:24
Speaker 2: didn't count Jayden Daniels I one another year because last
20:27
Speaker 2: year was so bad and he was hurt and he
20:29
Speaker 2: has a little bit of an injury bug. First year
20:30
Speaker 2: he played, but he was dinged up all the time.
20:33
Speaker 2: Six of fifty seven. So I'm not saying it's easy.
20:36
Speaker 2: It's one of the hardest. I mean, think about this.
20:38
Speaker 2: The average Major league baseball player bats, you know, two
20:41
Speaker 2: forty five maybe okay, but when your hit rate is
20:45
Speaker 2: ten percent ten and a half percent in the NFL
20:49
Speaker 2: hitting on quarterbacks in any round. For the record, though
20:53
Speaker 2: I didn't count this past draft, Fernando Mendoza was one
20:57
Speaker 2: of ten quarterbacks drafted and he's the only one I
20:59
Speaker 2: like in this draft. So the number, the hit rate
21:03
Speaker 2: I think will be about I mean, Drew Aller to
21:05
Speaker 2: me is probably a backup. I don't take you know
21:08
Speaker 2: he is, but so I just look, JJ McCarthy should
21:12
Speaker 2: not get too dejected. It's hard in this league to
21:15
Speaker 2: do it. And when all the other quarterbacks hit in
21:18
Speaker 2: a round, you're not going to go six for six.
21:21
Speaker 2: So I think he's a I think he's a backup quarterback.
21:25
Speaker 2: I think hopefully he finds a spot. And I do
21:28
Speaker 2: think you mentioned this, I mean Kyler, there's a chance
21:30
Speaker 2: he's going to get dinged up. So I mean that
21:32
Speaker 2: it's a real serious position for Minnesota backup quarterbacks very
21:36
Speaker 2: likely going to play two to four games. So it's
21:38
Speaker 2: not just a hey, we put him here.
21:41
Speaker 1: You know.
21:42
Speaker 2: It's like even the Rams, they'll probably carry Ty Simpsons
21:45
Speaker 2: stetson because you know, I mean, Stafford is one of
21:48
Speaker 2: the last guys at his age that just sits in
21:50
Speaker 2: the pocket and gets drilled. I mean, he'll take shots.
21:53
Speaker 2: So I do think it's a real position for the paint.
21:56
Speaker 1: I think how many quarterbacks have gone down in the
21:58
Speaker 1: last handful of years. I mean Joe Burrow missed the
22:00
Speaker 1: majority of.
22:00
Speaker 2: The season fifty five to sixty quarterbacks.
22:04
Speaker 1: Me, the only reason Brock Purdy got created is because
22:06
Speaker 1: they lost two quarterbacks in front of them. So you
22:09
Speaker 1: just you know. Dak Prescott the reason he started as
22:13
Speaker 1: a rookie is because Tony Romo's back got shattered and
22:16
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore I think broke his wrists. So these things
22:19
Speaker 1: can change the blink of a nine. I think I
22:22
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23:39
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23:45
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23:48
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Speaker 2: the top one hundred. Sam Darnald back to back fourteen wins.
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Speaker 2: List legitimate contenders. One or two things keeping them from
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Speaker 2: players in the league. The Buffalo Bills Josh Allen has
24:19
Speaker 2: a lot of weapons offensively, rookie head coach, and you
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Speaker 2: of years. Now it's time to see if they can
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24:34
Speaker 2: Back to back eleven wins seasons for Harbaugh and Herbert,
24:37
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams My bold prediction for MVP he and Ben
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Speaker 2: Third group upperclassmen, proven experienced teams with question The Eagles
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Speaker 2: still don't love the coach. They've made changes at offensive coordinator.
25:11
Speaker 2: I think they'll be fine to very good. I think
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Speaker 2: Jalen Hirsch should be better without aj Brown Chiefs. Mahomes
25:18
Speaker 2: is healthy, they got left tackle in the running back
25:21
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25:25
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25:28
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25:31
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25:34
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25:58
Speaker 2: I like the NIL and the transfer portal. I like
26:03
Speaker 2: conference consolidation. I like the four PAC twelve teams going
26:06
Speaker 2: to the Big Ten. I like Texas Oklahoma going to
26:11
Speaker 2: the SEC. I am for it. I did my essay
26:13
Speaker 2: this week, my Sunday essay this week on that that
26:16
Speaker 2: I want. There's always been in college football, this charming, cute,
26:20
Speaker 2: sort of regional aspect, and my take is, I want
26:22
Speaker 2: Texas Plan Oklahoma. I want Texas Plan LSU. You know,
26:26
Speaker 2: I want Texas playing Bama Texas playing Georgia, and the
26:30
Speaker 2: numbers bear it out that's what the audience wants. But
26:32
Speaker 2: the people who love the regionalism are loud and they're
26:35
Speaker 2: on platforms and they say it's great. But the numbers
26:37
Speaker 2: bear out that people aren't that interested in Bowl games
26:40
Speaker 2: unless there's two big brands there or regular season games.
26:44
Speaker 2: So but there is one thing, and this probably illustrates
26:49
Speaker 2: the weakness of the NCAA now where there's a guy
26:52
Speaker 2: that's going to get cut in the NFL and reportedly
26:54
Speaker 2: he's going to Lane Kiffin and LSU to play, and
26:58
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, what are we doing here? I just
27:05
Speaker 2: I mean that to me, there are certain things that
27:08
Speaker 2: happen in sports and you're like, wow, that doesn't work right,
27:12
Speaker 2: Like we all know that you watch certain you watch
27:14
Speaker 2: certain sports, and something happens and it's allowed and then
27:18
Speaker 2: very quickly, like leagues tend to at least in a year,
27:21
Speaker 2: like put a stop to it. There's all sorts of
27:23
Speaker 2: rule chair. I mean, the defensive shift in baseball shockingly
27:26
Speaker 2: lasted years and years and we're all like, I don't
27:29
Speaker 2: want my second basement in right field. This is stupid.
27:32
Speaker 2: I mean, I appreciate Joe Madden's creativity, but it's like
27:36
Speaker 2: it's bad for baseball, Like I want guys to get
27:39
Speaker 2: on base if they had a line drive to write,
27:41
Speaker 2: I don't want I want to see a base hit.
27:44
Speaker 2: I don't know. What do you make of what's happening now.
27:47
Speaker 1: There's a lot to unpack here. I would say, on
27:49
Speaker 1: its surface of saying that you can go to a
27:51
Speaker 1: training camp and then return to college feels like we're
27:57
Speaker 1: crossing the line here that most people are going to
27:59
Speaker 1: agree upon, like this is insane. The problem is every
28:03
Speaker 1: time these guys sue, they win, Yeah, and it just
28:06
Speaker 1: becomes less and less, like deterioration of any sort of
28:10
Speaker 1: structure around that doesn't exist. I will defend Lane Kiffen
28:15
Speaker 1: here for doing this because I would imagine over the
28:17
Speaker 1: next week he's an easy Target's gonna take a lot
28:20
Speaker 1: of shit for doing this, because there's another guy currently
28:23
Speaker 1: on Tampa that's a pass rusher that's also in this lawsuit,
28:28
Speaker 1: potentially gonna come back to LSU if he doesn't make
28:31
Speaker 1: the team. In the first preseason game, this guy had
28:34
Speaker 1: two sacks, was a starter there last year. Lane Kiffin's
28:37
Speaker 1: just these are the rules that he's handed. It's not
28:40
Speaker 1: like he's doing this when everyone's saying, this is not
28:42
Speaker 1: a rule, you're gonna get in trouble. This has been
28:45
Speaker 1: adjudicated or whatever above in the court of Louisiana. I
28:51
Speaker 1: had a scout tell me maybe two weeks ago that
28:54
Speaker 1: he was in a Big ten program. First he had
28:57
Speaker 1: ever heard of this. And we had a top twenty
29:00
Speaker 1: five program, and they said, we're leaving a couple of spots
29:02
Speaker 1: open because we got a couple guys that we don't
29:03
Speaker 1: think are going to make teams. And we see this
29:05
Speaker 1: coming down the pike here that these guys are going
29:08
Speaker 1: to be available at the end of August and they
29:10
Speaker 1: bound our team and we're going to bring them back.
29:12
Speaker 1: And even he thought, like this is crazy. And then
29:14
Speaker 1: they he went to another place and they were all
29:16
Speaker 1: talking about it. It was it had been since training
29:19
Speaker 1: camp started in college football. This was a hot button
29:21
Speaker 1: issue with all these big programs, but Lane or any
29:25
Speaker 1: other program that does it. Remember there was a famous
29:28
Speaker 1: clip of like Trump and Clinton in a debate and
29:33
Speaker 1: she's like, did you take a billion dollar rite off
29:36
Speaker 1: or whatever? And he's like, you know what I did?
29:39
Speaker 1: And the reason I did is because those are the
29:40
Speaker 1: rules that you made for your friend. You guys want
29:45
Speaker 1: these rules there because all the people that fund politics
29:48
Speaker 1: love these rules. I'm just following the rules that you've created.
29:52
Speaker 1: And all these coaches now are just like the transfer portal.
29:55
Speaker 1: It's like Pete Golding, they gave him shit about, you know,
30:00
Speaker 1: tampering with that kid at Clemson. He's like, what is
30:04
Speaker 1: everyone's doing it? What am I supposed to do? Not
30:05
Speaker 1: do it and get lapped? So I just you can't
30:11
Speaker 1: have this. But these courts are given these guys the
30:15
Speaker 1: ability to come back. And this kid that went back,
30:18
Speaker 1: the Eagles cut him I think two weeks ago, and
30:21
Speaker 1: then he went to Cleveland. So this guy is not
30:25
Speaker 1: the next tramps Kelsey here, and I think he would
30:29
Speaker 1: tell you, well, I wouldn't have come out if I
30:31
Speaker 1: knew I would have been eligible. I would have stayed
30:32
Speaker 1: in college for the nil. But I saw Dan Lanning
30:35
Speaker 1: went on a rant because his colin his resume goes Virginia, Tech, Ole,
30:41
Speaker 1: miss Cleveland, Philadelphia, Eagles, Cleveland, Browns, LSU. What are we doing?
30:48
Speaker 1: But again, I'm gonna defend Lane here, but this is
30:51
Speaker 1: not wait. Lane's just he's pillaging, training camps. No, this
30:57
Speaker 1: this happened in these courts, all these other programs. He
31:00
Speaker 1: is not going to be the only program. He's just
31:02
Speaker 1: following these crazy rules like, yeah, there should be some
31:05
Speaker 1: write offs, you shouldn't be able to have. Well, but
31:07
Speaker 1: if you ask your accountant he says, this is the rules,
31:09
Speaker 1: you'd be like, well, then write it off.
31:10
Speaker 2: Well, also, this is the unintended and you get these
31:14
Speaker 2: you know, you get unintended benefits. You know, you buy
31:17
Speaker 2: a company and they're like, oh my god, this company
31:20
Speaker 2: helps this other business I'm in, and that this happens
31:22
Speaker 2: all the time, and then there's unintended failures and liabilities
31:26
Speaker 2: where you create some Hey, we're going to pay the players.
31:30
Speaker 2: You know, California was the first to kind of broker
31:33
Speaker 2: this and passed it. We're going to pay the players.
31:34
Speaker 2: Everybody's like, this is great. Well, here's the unintended negative
31:39
Speaker 2: aspect of that. These NFL guys get cut and they
31:42
Speaker 2: can go back to college and make a million dollars. So,
31:46
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the players like, I'm a football player.
31:51
Speaker 2: I've never really played in the NFL. I've you know,
31:53
Speaker 2: so I've been in camps and you know, I think
31:56
Speaker 2: I'm going to go back, and that's the downside to
31:59
Speaker 2: make king college football now for elite players, all college
32:03
Speaker 2: sports very lucrative. So it's really the responsibilities on the NCAA,
32:08
Speaker 2: which never wins a lawsuit ever. So this is the
32:11
Speaker 2: responsibility of others. You know, it's like a tax loop
32:15
Speaker 2: pole or if it's legal. I'm not blaming anybody, but
32:19
Speaker 2: it feels wrong and it feels gross.
32:22
Speaker 1: This guy is an easy example that is currently doing
32:25
Speaker 1: it to back to LSU because he's you know, this
32:28
Speaker 1: guy's probably not going to be an NFL player, But
32:31
Speaker 1: what about the guys that The guy at Tampa is
32:33
Speaker 1: a good example. I forget his name, but he started
32:35
Speaker 1: at LSU last year. He Todd Bowles after the first
32:39
Speaker 1: preseason game, was like, this guy's been making plays in
32:41
Speaker 1: practice and he just had two snaps. What it's like, Hey,
32:43
Speaker 1: you're not going to make the roster. We want you
32:45
Speaker 1: on the on the practice squad. You could make a
32:48
Speaker 1: little bit more at LSU. But I ai'ed it the
32:51
Speaker 1: other day, like about forty percent of guys that start
32:54
Speaker 1: the year on a practice squad as a rookie end
32:56
Speaker 1: up playing in NFL games. You can just think about it.
32:59
Speaker 1: How many guys by the time you're in November and
33:01
Speaker 1: seven rosters are churning like this, or get hurt, get cut,
33:05
Speaker 1: get benched. You know, there's constant move Half the teams
33:07
Speaker 1: in the league are out of it, so they're just
33:09
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, throwing guys in, pulling guys out.
33:12
Speaker 1: I think you do have to think a little Oh yeah,
33:14
Speaker 1: you can go back to college and make a little
33:16
Speaker 1: bit more money, or you're one ripped hamstring away from
33:20
Speaker 1: all of a sudden playing on Monday Night football the
33:21
Speaker 1: next week, making a name for yourself and your clock
33:24
Speaker 1: starts faster for your next contract. Think how many undrafted
33:28
Speaker 1: free agents or late round picks go on to make
33:30
Speaker 1: big money. I do think there's a little bit of
33:33
Speaker 1: a risk. And the other thing is, I guess if
33:36
Speaker 1: you had played for the program, you know everybody, but
33:39
Speaker 1: you know there's a huge turnover. I think LSU is
33:41
Speaker 1: forty guys.
33:42
Speaker 2: Forty guys.
33:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, you go back. Well, it's not like
33:48
Speaker 1: all this. This isn't Matt Lioner, Reggie Bush, the team.
33:51
Speaker 1: We all knew these guys' name. It's hard to keep up.
33:53
Speaker 1: They're all looking at who's this guy? So it's this
33:55
Speaker 1: isn't as normal. I do think if you're a fringe, like, hey,
33:59
Speaker 1: I didn't make the but I'm clearly these guys like
34:01
Speaker 1: me not everything has to be Yeah, he could make
34:04
Speaker 1: a couple hundred grand more, but in the big picture,
34:07
Speaker 1: look what the NFL pays compared to some of these
34:09
Speaker 1: that IL deals. So it's like, hey, I think there's
34:11
Speaker 1: gonna be a balance for some of these guys. Yeah,
34:14
Speaker 1: the guys that are just good college players totally get it.
34:17
Speaker 1: But I I bet we see a story where a
34:20
Speaker 1: guy turns down the opportunity to return to Iowa, LSU,
34:25
Speaker 1: you Navid Ohio State, one of the big programs, and go,
34:28
Speaker 1: you know what, I think, I'm just the coaches told
34:30
Speaker 1: me I'm a couple of plays away, and he's gonna
34:32
Speaker 1: know he's spent the last six months with these guys.
34:34
Speaker 1: I like. The other thing is that let's say you're
34:36
Speaker 1: in Tampa and Jason like goes, listen, I've been here
34:39
Speaker 1: a decade. I'm probably gonna be here a decade longer.
34:41
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we like you. I'm not making this
34:43
Speaker 1: shit up. The Browns I get maybe jump ship, but
34:47
Speaker 1: if you're some of these programs, if Howie Roseman goes, listen,
34:49
Speaker 1: we want you here. You got to pick and choose
34:53
Speaker 1: to go back, because it could also go the other
34:55
Speaker 1: What if you go to LSU and get hurt against
34:57
Speaker 1: Texas State in week two or exactly, it's pretty risky
35:01
Speaker 1: at least if you get hurt on the NFL's dime.
35:04
Speaker 1: You've been there with that GM and that coach and
35:06
Speaker 1: they're kind of invested in you. So I think there
35:09
Speaker 1: are going to be some individual I guarantee we hear
35:12
Speaker 1: a story of a guy goes. I could have made
35:14
Speaker 1: a little bit more to go back, but it's like,
35:16
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to campus. I'm all
35:18
Speaker 1: about football. I want the opportunity to play in the NFL.
35:21
Speaker 1: I'm already here right.
35:23
Speaker 2: So it's interesting of the top one hundred players in
35:30
Speaker 2: the NFL, the Seattle Seahawks only have three players in
35:35
Speaker 2: the top one hundred, JSN Darnold and Witherspoon in the corner,
35:39
Speaker 2: who is just a tremendous player. And it was funny
35:43
Speaker 2: this week. So obviously Seattle is more of a collective
35:49
Speaker 2: than like the Rams, who have dominant Puka, dominant Stafford,
35:54
Speaker 2: you know now dominant, Miles Garrett like like really high
35:57
Speaker 2: end players. But it was funny this week because there
36:01
Speaker 2: The Athletic had a story. I thought it was crazy
36:05
Speaker 2: of the top twenty five players under twenty five. Jared
36:09
Speaker 2: Verse came out. He and I were laughing. We thought
36:12
Speaker 2: it was so bad, but it was fascinating because JSN
36:15
Speaker 2: was like fifteen and Witherspoon, I think was sixteen. And
36:20
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I'm not saying I'm smarter than GMS,
36:25
Speaker 2: but and I like Trent McDuffie, but Witherspoon and maybe
36:30
Speaker 2: the best corner against the run in the league. And
36:34
Speaker 2: he's also now Stingley may be better again whatever the
36:37
Speaker 2: data says, Stingley may be better in man coverage. He's
36:40
Speaker 2: Stingley so long, but I saw that lift. I mean,
36:45
Speaker 2: Jamiir Gibbs fourteen, and I like Will Anderson, who to
36:50
Speaker 2: me is probably in my opinion, the best player under
36:53
Speaker 2: twenty five. I think I would put like Pinay Stools dominant,
36:56
Speaker 2: but he's moving right tackle to left. Pooka and Jalen
37:00
Speaker 2: Carter I would put a little lower just because of
37:03
Speaker 2: the red flags and both have been injured. Who could
37:05
Speaker 2: get hurt a lot because he's such a great blocker,
37:07
Speaker 2: he's so physical. But I guess the overarching the macro
37:12
Speaker 2: question for me is there does it does feel like.
37:18
Speaker 1: I'm looking out the list because I I remember looking
37:21
Speaker 1: at it and thinking I think McDuffie was ahead of
37:24
Speaker 1: Will Anderson. I could be getting that wrong. He was.
37:26
Speaker 1: He was against the chief The Chiefs love Trent McDuffie
37:30
Speaker 1: the human. They love him as a slot corner. But
37:34
Speaker 1: they didn't think this guy's not stinglier those guys outside.
37:37
Speaker 1: He's good, but he's so It's like, hey, they gave
37:40
Speaker 1: him a hundred million dollars again, they value him, but
37:44
Speaker 1: they did. It's not sting. It's not a no brainer.
37:46
Speaker 1: You can't let him walk out the door. Will Anderson,
37:48
Speaker 1: to me, you could justify having Will Anderson at number
37:50
Speaker 1: one if you told me Will the defensive player of
37:54
Speaker 1: the year. Do you know how good will? That was? Insane?
37:59
Speaker 1: And listen if you want to have him one Will
38:01
Speaker 1: Anderson too, I'm not gonna argue with you. I thought
38:04
Speaker 1: they had Caleb Williams a little. I thought they had
38:06
Speaker 1: a couple. They were just like, what are we who.
38:08
Speaker 2: Heard we make this list, Well, yeah, they had. I
38:11
Speaker 2: just I thought it was such a bad list, and
38:16
Speaker 2: like generally, you know, I know what I am, I
38:19
Speaker 2: know what I'm not. But I said on the air,
38:21
Speaker 2: I'm like, it made me feel like, could I be
38:23
Speaker 2: a GM? I mean, if you can't identify guys already
38:26
Speaker 2: in the league, I thought it was so bad. But
38:32
Speaker 2: I guess my point is when you after a team
38:36
Speaker 2: wins the Super Bowl Philadelphia, Kansas City in recent years,
38:42
Speaker 2: there's almost an understanding there's a likelihood they could get
38:47
Speaker 2: back to the super Bowl. That's kind of an understanding.
38:50
Speaker 2: When you suggest, and I think the fans are like
38:53
Speaker 2: this outside of the Northwest, when you suggest I think
38:56
Speaker 2: the Seahawks could win back to back Super Bowls, there
38:58
Speaker 2: is a real pushback. And it's like, guys, one team
39:03
Speaker 2: matched up with them all year, the Rams, right, and
39:06
Speaker 2: they weren't as good on special teams, and they weren't
39:09
Speaker 2: as good at a corner. And of the three Seahawks
39:11
Speaker 2: losses in the offseason, they replaced all of them with
39:13
Speaker 2: their top three picks with the best GM, the best
39:17
Speaker 2: college drafting GM over the last five years in the
39:20
Speaker 2: National Football League. So my takeaway is it is interesting.
39:23
Speaker 2: I mean, I went to the last twenty years and say, Okay,
39:25
Speaker 2: the Patriots will win another Super Bowl. The Eagles went
39:28
Speaker 2: back to back, the Chiefs went back to back. You
39:30
Speaker 2: wouldn't get a ton of pushback. If the Rams won
39:33
Speaker 2: this year, you'd be like, they may win again. But
39:36
Speaker 2: the idea that Seattle could win again, you get tremendous pushback.
39:42
Speaker 2: And I wonder if it's a darn Old factor. Well,
39:44
Speaker 2: I didn't have a turnover in the postseason. We know
39:47
Speaker 2: the coach is great, Like we know. I mean, it's
39:51
Speaker 2: just fascinating to me that like GMS look at JSN
39:55
Speaker 2: and Witherspoon and figure that's about the fifteenth and sixteenth
39:59
Speaker 2: best player twenty five and under. Well, if you think
40:01
Speaker 2: that twenty five and under, then where do you put
40:04
Speaker 2: him in the league? Are you saying JSN is not
40:06
Speaker 2: a top five receiver in the.
40:08
Speaker 1: League they had? Uh, I just pulled it up Tyler
40:12
Speaker 1: Smith above JSN, Jamier Gibbs, Devin Witherspoon, and Quinnon Mitchell.
40:17
Speaker 1: I like, uh, you know, I like Tyler Smith of
40:20
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But there you go. Get you're talking about
40:22
Speaker 1: something that I mean.
40:23
Speaker 2: Well, Trup McDuffie on the one, Trent McDuffie was the one.
40:27
Speaker 2: I'm like, I like Trent a lot, but Stingley's a
40:29
Speaker 2: better pure cover corner. He's a better athlete, and you
40:33
Speaker 2: could put Stingley anywhere on the field. And Devin Witherspoon,
40:36
Speaker 2: I mean, Seattle, lets guys go, I mean they signed
40:39
Speaker 2: him up like js Sen and Witherspoon. John Snyder did
40:42
Speaker 2: not wait, it's like you're I mean, I don't know.
40:46
Speaker 2: I just I looked at that list and I like McDuffie,
40:49
Speaker 2: but I don't think he's in Witherspoon's league.
40:51
Speaker 1: He's a little high. He's a little high. I mean,
40:54
Speaker 1: b John Robinson is I would say, if you just
40:57
Speaker 1: pulled GMS, one of the most talented players in the league. Yeah,
41:01
Speaker 1: he's gonna waste. I mean this the Atlanta Falcons, I know,
41:03
Speaker 1: you like Stefanski, They're gonna be terrible. They've already los
41:06
Speaker 1: they've already lost players or quarterback situation. Listen, I think
41:11
Speaker 1: that Seattle. You know you've been beating this Sam Donald
41:15
Speaker 1: drum for a long time. But once you become like
41:20
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy's a good example, he's gonna get multiple other
41:23
Speaker 1: opportunities sure, because he's a highly drafted guy. If JJ
41:27
Speaker 1: McCarthy played like he did and he was a seventh
41:29
Speaker 1: round pick, it would not be the same. And I
41:31
Speaker 1: think sometimes when you're like, once the Chiefs started winning,
41:34
Speaker 1: Patrick mahonmes became facing the league, they just got the
41:36
Speaker 1: Warriors and Steph Curry or Lebron, I think it's hard
41:40
Speaker 1: to battle the perception. I mean, Sam Donald's gone back
41:42
Speaker 1: to back years fourteen wins, which they were really sixty
41:47
Speaker 1: minutes of.
41:47
Speaker 2: Different coordinators, coaches, locker rooms, receivers, staff cities.
41:52
Speaker 1: Well, think about this colin his Minnesota team. I remember
41:55
Speaker 1: texting a buddy who had just played them like week
41:58
Speaker 1: five or six. He's like, holy shit, they're pretty good.
42:00
Speaker 1: Because remember a lot of people didn't quite know what
42:02
Speaker 1: they were getting when Sam Donald, they draft JJ McCarthy.
42:05
Speaker 1: By like week three or four, they were humming and
42:08
Speaker 1: he's throwing touchdowns left and right, and a lot of
42:10
Speaker 1: people like, I don't know, and he has this great season,
42:13
Speaker 1: and then all people remembered of that season really at
42:16
Speaker 1: the last one hundred and twenty minutes of the season,
42:18
Speaker 1: specifically the last game to win the division, to be
42:21
Speaker 1: the one seed, he doesn't play well. Like I've been
42:24
Speaker 1: watching football for thirty years. I've seen a lot of
42:27
Speaker 1: better players than Sam Donald have awful games. Well.
42:30
Speaker 2: Remember and remember first of all, the Rams game he
42:33
Speaker 2: was sacked eight times, he was under complete durest and
42:36
Speaker 2: the Lions game that was the biggest game in Detroit
42:40
Speaker 2: maybe in thirty years. I mean, it was one of
42:43
Speaker 2: those you walk into it and it's like, oh, this
42:45
Speaker 2: is not gonna be our day.
42:47
Speaker 1: I think that it was a double knock. He obviously yeah,
42:50
Speaker 1: great environment, but their entire team was missing and he
42:53
Speaker 1: was just getting blitz con. He just played bad. But
42:56
Speaker 1: it's like that that just erases everything we saw, and
42:58
Speaker 1: then he comes back. I give you more credit in
43:02
Speaker 1: like the Rams game last year when he throws all
43:05
Speaker 1: the touch or all the interceptions and still finds a way, Like,
43:08
Speaker 1: I'm more impressed when you look like crap. Remember the
43:12
Speaker 1: game where they beat them. I guess that would have
43:13
Speaker 1: been Seattle. They're down fourteen points, he's not playing well.
43:17
Speaker 1: Shaheed returns and then he just plays really well the
43:19
Speaker 1: rest of the game. It's like mentally he's really yeah,
43:22
Speaker 1: he's gonna have bad games, he's gonna throw some picks,
43:25
Speaker 1: but to me when he was whatever, he was on
43:27
Speaker 1: the on the list of Sando fourteen or fifteen, Like
43:30
Speaker 1: he's he's just too low the way he's played the
43:33
Speaker 1: last couple years. I was even Texas. I text Schneider
43:36
Speaker 1: the other day because I was watching the Hard Knocks.
43:38
Speaker 1: I said, the team you've built, which if you just
43:41
Speaker 1: watch Hard Knocks, it's clear they're not only really good.
43:44
Speaker 1: All these guys like each other, which is what the
43:46
Speaker 1: Chiefs had going and the Patriots had going, like really
43:49
Speaker 1: good team chemistry. This is not baseball where it's like
43:52
Speaker 1: your first baseman doesn't need to like your left field er.
43:54
Speaker 1: They're all kind of individuals. Football chemistry matters. They got it.
43:58
Speaker 1: But I was watching San Donald two weeks ago do
44:01
Speaker 1: this sideline interview, and I just went, this guy is
44:04
Speaker 1: just a pretty good face of the team. And then
44:07
Speaker 1: you watch him in the Hard Knock highlights, like this
44:09
Speaker 1: guy can really sling it. So it's like physically he's
44:12
Speaker 1: really talented. Teammates really like him. Oh yeah, he's really
44:15
Speaker 1: grounded and well liked. He's like a way better version
44:18
Speaker 1: physically of like Alex Smith. Remember whenever you saw Alex
44:21
Speaker 1: when he was starting to turn You're like, God, this
44:23
Speaker 1: guy just gets it. He's just really impressive. Everyone likes him.
44:26
Speaker 1: He plays hard. He just was physically limited. Sam doesn't
44:29
Speaker 1: really have physical limitations when it comes throwing the ball.
44:32
Speaker 1: So I just think that their team, they have one
44:35
Speaker 1: of the best gms in the league who has put together.
44:38
Speaker 1: I mean, they got some crazy guys, but they're like
44:40
Speaker 1: crazy and Richard Truman, did you see the clip of
44:43
Speaker 1: him talking to Mike McDonald. He's like, God, I'm really impressed.
44:46
Speaker 1: Your guys's kind of like really like each other around here.
44:50
Speaker 1: And he's like, sometimes you win the Super Bowl, half
44:52
Speaker 1: a team wants to get paid. I remember John Lynch
44:55
Speaker 1: doing like an NFL Films interview on this, like after
44:57
Speaker 1: Tampa won it. He said, we had like three holdout
45:00
Speaker 1: four other guys showed up to camp and in a
45:02
Speaker 1: car way nicer than they should have been driving. He's like,
45:04
Speaker 1: I knew we had some issues because it goes to
45:07
Speaker 1: your head. And I don't know, maybe all these guys
45:09
Speaker 1: have been rich for so long. I don't know what
45:11
Speaker 1: the factors are. Maybe they have some guys like Leonard
45:13
Speaker 1: Williams who's bounced around. They're head coach, not a big
45:16
Speaker 1: ego guy. But yeah, I think they're gonna be excellent.
45:20
Speaker 1: I don't know, win the Super Bowl. You need a
45:24
Speaker 1: little luck, but there easily if you're just doing like
45:27
Speaker 1: the equivalent of college. They're a lock top three or
45:31
Speaker 1: four team going into the The Ravens and the Bills
45:34
Speaker 1: every single year of the Super Bowl favorites, I mean
45:38
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl favorites. Again this year, it's like over
45:40
Speaker 1: these guys who just won the Super Bowl won the
45:43
Speaker 1: division with two other playoff teams. That's the other Thingion,
45:46
Speaker 1: It's not like their division's got three Arizona Cardinals, it's
45:49
Speaker 1: got Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay. They got to play.
45:53
Speaker 2: Well, look at what they did the last two times
45:55
Speaker 2: they played the Niners. I mean that's as badly dominated
45:58
Speaker 2: as a Kyle Shanahan team has been dominated for years.
46:01
Speaker 2: I mean San Francisco just didn't have the depth, the players,
46:03
Speaker 2: the talent. I mean it was really ugly games where
46:06
Speaker 2: they massacre Massacre just just could not compete. All right.
46:12
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47:18
Speaker 2: September tenth, eight thirty five pm Eastern. The Joe Burrow
47:27
Speaker 2: comments this week this is the third year in a row. Burrow.
47:34
Speaker 2: He was quoted this week at the microphone saying you know,
47:37
Speaker 2: I'm just tired of saying next year he's missed the playoffs.
47:40
Speaker 2: I think three years in a row with Cincinnati, despite
47:42
Speaker 2: the fact that data tells you he's a top three
47:44
Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL. And I've been saying this for
47:48
Speaker 2: a couple of years. Is that about three years ago
47:51
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, And I think it's surprised most of us,
47:54
Speaker 2: Like when the season ended, like he went to Europe.
47:56
Speaker 2: He was in fashion shows, like he just removed himself
47:59
Speaker 2: from Cincinnati and football.
48:02
Speaker 1: And my.
48:04
Speaker 2: Initial thought the first year, I'm like, oh, okay, well,
48:08
Speaker 2: it's just interesting, good looking guy goes over there. But
48:11
Speaker 2: part of it was he was really committing to another industry,
48:14
Speaker 2: Like he was really into fashion, like really really into
48:17
Speaker 2: it if you read some of his quotes and you
48:19
Speaker 2: see a lot of the videos. And I thought it
48:23
Speaker 2: was a protective mechanism that he just felt like, listen,
48:27
Speaker 2: I'm knocking my head against the wall. I have bad
48:32
Speaker 2: offensive lines. It's putting my career in jeopardy and just
48:36
Speaker 2: for sanity's sake. And I've I know people like this
48:40
Speaker 2: that I've talked to people where really talented people work
48:43
Speaker 2: at a company and they're really well compensated, but they
48:47
Speaker 2: think the CEO's at crook they don't you know, you know,
48:50
Speaker 2: they don't like the company. They don't agree with it,
48:52
Speaker 2: and they, you know, all of a sudden, they're like,
48:54
Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to take up golf or I'm
48:56
Speaker 2: going to get a really great second hobby because i
49:00
Speaker 2: just need it for my sanity. I'm totally committed. I'm
49:03
Speaker 2: great for my company. This company sucks. And then people
49:06
Speaker 2: get into these traps John where they have a high
49:09
Speaker 2: profile job, they have income, they got a mortgage, but
49:12
Speaker 2: they hate the company. They don't like either what it
49:14
Speaker 2: stands for, the product, and so what do you do, Like,
49:18
Speaker 2: what do you do when it's like, God, I'm just
49:20
Speaker 2: beating my head against the wall, I'm better than the company.
49:23
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of times what people do,
49:26
Speaker 2: especially competitive people with an entrepreneurial streak, is I'm going
49:30
Speaker 2: to get a big hobby. I'm going to invest in
49:31
Speaker 2: my time, my energy and maybe my money and some
49:34
Speaker 2: other things. I really believe that's Joe Burrow. I'm not saying,
49:38
Speaker 2: but I mean, I honestly believe if Joe Burrow would
49:40
Speaker 2: have gone to Sean McVay, I'm not saying he wouldn't
49:43
Speaker 2: like fashion, but it felt so stark, it felt so obvious,
49:48
Speaker 2: like I'm just going to shut football down for a while.
49:53
Speaker 2: And Brady did a lot of this when he retired,
49:56
Speaker 2: like Brady became much more entrepreneurial when you were tired.
49:59
Speaker 2: But he was all in. So was Peyton Manning. And
50:03
Speaker 2: I mean, Mahomes has his family, but you don't see
50:06
Speaker 2: this big second, like massive second part of his life
50:11
Speaker 2: that is, you know, pretty clearly of major interest. I
50:19
Speaker 2: don't know. My take is Joe's doing this to protect Joe.
50:23
Speaker 2: I totally support it. I feel bad for him. I mean,
50:27
Speaker 2: I said it last year. I think it's time where
50:30
Speaker 2: he's got a couple more years of guaranteed money, but
50:32
Speaker 2: it's time to have strong Like I would not resign
50:35
Speaker 2: with Cincinnati.
50:37
Speaker 1: I uh to me, if you're going to go all
50:39
Speaker 1: in the fashion thing, I mean, I'd like to you know,
50:42
Speaker 1: you to be consistently on the field. You know, Brady's
50:44
Speaker 1: heard dabbling. You know. I think there is a hardcore
50:49
Speaker 1: as a quarterback. I think there's hardcore pressure on Joe
50:51
Speaker 1: Burrow this year. I'm going to defend the Bengals a
50:53
Speaker 1: little bit this time around, because everyone they're an easy
50:57
Speaker 1: punching bag. I think this individual team, they've done everything
51:01
Speaker 1: they want or he wanted. You know, he did go
51:04
Speaker 1: a little lebron on them, right, because I think I
51:07
Speaker 1: think a lot of the high high level gms would
51:10
Speaker 1: not have kept Higgins when they already had Chase. They
51:13
Speaker 1: would have flipped that they would use the money other places.
51:15
Speaker 1: They would have utilized picks to get sweet wide receivers
51:18
Speaker 1: in other rounds. But Joe didn't want him to go,
51:22
Speaker 1: so they kept them. And then this year. Did you
51:24
Speaker 1: see the quote the other day from the Bengals center.
51:27
Speaker 1: I guess they joint practiced the Bears and he I
51:31
Speaker 1: guess Dexter Lawrence was just destroying the dominant and the
51:36
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals center said something you know, like you know,
51:42
Speaker 1: it helped validate my concerns. Some of my insecurities have
51:46
Speaker 1: now left me. I feel a little bit better. I
51:48
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna get cut or so this guy's
51:50
Speaker 1: an unblockable player, that move has a chance to be
51:53
Speaker 1: really really good, and what have they like they'd last
51:55
Speaker 1: some physicality and but their team they have been really
51:58
Speaker 1: aggressive Colin so I mean he he he signed the contract.
52:02
Speaker 1: No one put a gun to his head when he
52:03
Speaker 1: signed the contract. It's I don't feel the sympathy for
52:06
Speaker 1: him being stuck there. Yes, he was drafted there, and
52:10
Speaker 1: then when they put a lot of money, he said, yeah,
52:12
Speaker 1: I'll take it. So what'd you take the money like?
52:14
Speaker 1: And then listen, they had a little rocky time, but
52:17
Speaker 1: they have invested.
52:18
Speaker 2: The Chargers are.
52:20
Speaker 1: No one's spending less cash this year than the Chargers. Nobody,
52:24
Speaker 1: I mean nobody. So it's like I I just think
52:28
Speaker 1: sometimes the Bengals, because of who their owner is, it's
52:32
Speaker 1: we talk about him because they have it. They have
52:34
Speaker 1: a past, they have a resume. But I would say
52:36
Speaker 1: this individual team looks pretty good. I mean I think
52:40
Speaker 1: they have a chance. Again, some pressures on Burdwell I had.
52:43
Speaker 1: I had a scouting buddy a year ago. Tell me
52:46
Speaker 1: he's like the easiest punching bag in the league. For
52:49
Speaker 1: a unit. Is the Bengals A line of all the
52:51
Speaker 1: you know good with the top quarterbacks the Bengals. A
52:54
Speaker 1: line sucks the Bengals. A line sucks the Bengals. This
52:56
Speaker 1: was the Seattle thing a little bit. Now Russell would
52:59
Speaker 1: just take off. He said a lot and I think
53:02
Speaker 1: they would have said, like Seattle's offensive line is not
53:04
Speaker 1: as bad as the way it gets talked about. It's
53:06
Speaker 1: hard to play with Russell Joe. While he doesn't take off,
53:09
Speaker 1: he holds the ball to the last possible second. Sometimes
53:13
Speaker 1: he holds it too long. Now again it creates greatness,
53:17
Speaker 1: but he's not last year when he got injured. It's
53:20
Speaker 1: just he holds the ball, which you respect, you know,
53:23
Speaker 1: for a guy into fashion, toughness is a huge part
53:26
Speaker 1: of this, some of these fashion shows. I don't know
53:28
Speaker 1: if their toughness scale the guys he's sitting next to
53:30
Speaker 1: her quite Joe Burrows, but I would say that, like
53:34
Speaker 1: there's pressure on Joe this year to stay on the field.
53:36
Speaker 1: If he stays on the field does what he did
53:38
Speaker 1: two years ago and they missed the playoffs, coach will
53:40
Speaker 1: get fired. Things will change. But like their team on paper,
53:44
Speaker 1: Colin has no excuse not to win the division.
53:47
Speaker 2: Well, Dexter and Allen. They went and got Allen as well.
53:52
Speaker 2: So their interior d line was an issue because you
53:55
Speaker 2: could run on them. Therefore, take the ball away from Burrow.
53:57
Speaker 2: They couldn't stop inside on game much so Dexter Lawrence
54:02
Speaker 2: I think they traded the number ten pick in a
54:04
Speaker 2: pretty soft draft, so that was a pretty smart move.
54:07
Speaker 2: It was like a Dexter did not have a great
54:11
Speaker 2: year last year, so I think John Harbaugh was like,
54:14
Speaker 2: it's expensive and I'm going to move off him. But
54:17
Speaker 2: in the end, it's not a Chris Jones situation where
54:20
Speaker 2: you kind of think we've seen the best of him.
54:22
Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence just had an off year. But this happens
54:26
Speaker 2: with you know, players, especially like often defensive linemen, like
54:32
Speaker 2: they can roller coaster a little bit in the middle
54:35
Speaker 2: of they can get banged up. We don't know if
54:36
Speaker 2: he's playing hurt. I read the same story as you did.
54:39
Speaker 2: Like people are saying, like unblockable, he is just something.
54:43
Speaker 2: And by the way, when you get traded when you're
54:45
Speaker 2: a dominant player for the New York Giants for years,
54:47
Speaker 2: you're a dominant collegian, you're a dominant player, and you
54:49
Speaker 2: get traded, it probably pisses you off and you're like, oh,
54:52
Speaker 2: you're gonna send me to the Bengals.
54:53
Speaker 1: So true, he was created in a lab to play
54:58
Speaker 1: in Cold Weather Division. You know, he played with the
55:01
Speaker 1: Giants against the Eagles, against the command outside and these
55:05
Speaker 1: cold I mean, he is Taylor made. Honestly, when you
55:08
Speaker 1: look at him, you think he should have been playing
55:10
Speaker 1: for the Ravens or the Steelers in their heyday. Like
55:12
Speaker 1: that's he has got a chance to be a I
55:15
Speaker 1: mean it wouldn't his his sack numbers won't be high
55:18
Speaker 1: enough to be like Defensive Player of the Year, but
55:20
Speaker 1: like first team All Pro, wherevery guy that blocks him says,
55:23
Speaker 1: this guy's the most I mean there's he can't move him,
55:26
Speaker 1: and the Bengals just they haven't had that in a while.
55:29
Speaker 1: So I commend him because you talk to a lot
55:31
Speaker 1: of these gms. Take some stones to trade the tenth
55:34
Speaker 1: pick for, you know, a d tackle who's not exactly
55:37
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald as a pass rusher. You know, I'm not cheap. Yeah,
55:40
Speaker 1: and they gave him an actually he was already under
55:42
Speaker 1: contractor they gave him twenty He's making twenty five twenty
55:45
Speaker 1: seven million dollars a year. So then this is where
55:47
Speaker 1: I defends Mike. That's a you know, Jerry, what do
55:50
Speaker 1: you say A couple of years ago, we're all in
55:51
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, Jerry, you're lying, Like these guys truly
55:54
Speaker 1: have gone all in for Joe Burrow. So he can
55:57
Speaker 1: you know, power whatever in the fashion square and rants.
56:00
Speaker 1: But I do think and I'm pro Joe Burrow. He's
56:03
Speaker 1: a great player. But like last year, he's gone for
56:06
Speaker 1: three months. You know, it wasn't I don't. I think
56:09
Speaker 1: it's easy to blame the organization, but it was two
56:11
Speaker 1: years ago. On their defense, they were losing games. Remember
56:15
Speaker 1: to the Ravens. I think he threw like nine touchdowns
56:17
Speaker 1: in the two Ravens games. They lost them, both of them.
56:19
Speaker 1: I mean that's two years ago. I completely on board.
56:23
Speaker 1: Last year, I mean, he just he was just gone
56:26
Speaker 1: and injuries have been kind of a part of his
56:29
Speaker 1: story a little bit.
56:31
Speaker 2: We'll wrap it up with this. So I watched, like you,
56:34
Speaker 2: I watched a half dozen of you know, preseason games,
56:38
Speaker 2: and I went to YouTube on the games I didn't
56:39
Speaker 2: watch and watch highlights. I'm always blown away by how
56:44
Speaker 2: many good players you see in the preseason that were
56:47
Speaker 2: not drafted. A kid for the Bears made a catch
56:49
Speaker 2: up the left sidelight, just a great play. I looked
56:53
Speaker 2: him up. It's like undrafted. I'm like, good God. When
56:56
Speaker 2: I went to Bears practice, you know, I had my
56:59
Speaker 2: like pro they handed me, the GM did and they
57:03
Speaker 2: Adidas program. Yeah, and so I can just figure out
57:06
Speaker 2: who these guys are. And I mean, first of all,
57:08
Speaker 2: the Bears have a six round defensive tackle from Georgia
57:11
Speaker 2: Tech who's just been so far the practice Iewan he
57:15
Speaker 2: was good. I've just always kind of blown away. And
57:19
Speaker 2: maybe it's at skill positions, but there's so much football
57:22
Speaker 2: talent in America. I remember a few years ago, CTE
57:26
Speaker 2: was a big discussion, right like eight nine years ago,
57:29
Speaker 2: and people were saying I can remember like very credible
57:31
Speaker 2: people in the media saying, you know, football, it's NBA
57:35
Speaker 2: is going to be far more popular in ten years.
57:38
Speaker 2: And the truth is, and I remember saying this on
57:41
Speaker 2: the air, you just you've never lived in the South
57:44
Speaker 2: if you think the NBA is going to be bigger
57:46
Speaker 2: right than the NFL, Like football is so big in
57:49
Speaker 2: Texas in Southern states. Now in California, I have a
57:52
Speaker 2: friend whose son played college football. He's like, people look
57:57
Speaker 2: at me crazy. He's west of the four or five,
57:59
Speaker 2: and it's, you know, it's pretty liberal part of California
58:01
Speaker 2: is like, people just look at me crazy when I
58:02
Speaker 2: say my son plays football, Like why, but I hear.
58:06
Speaker 1: You say that, but is it modern day one of
58:08
Speaker 1: the best programs in fulsome and SAT it's the top
58:10
Speaker 1: twenty five national program like the best high school programs
58:13
Speaker 1: are there.
58:15
Speaker 2: There's a lot of talent because it's such a you know,
58:16
Speaker 2: it's thirty eight million people in the state. In la
58:19
Speaker 2: is a massive, second biggest city in the country. But
58:21
Speaker 2: in a lot of parts of California, the turnouts lower.
58:24
Speaker 2: The high end talent's great, but the turnout's lower. And
58:28
Speaker 2: that's California. But in terms of most Midwest South, I
58:32
Speaker 2: think in the Northeast and maybe California, the turnout's probably lower.
58:36
Speaker 2: But I'm always kind of im not just impressed, kind
58:41
Speaker 2: of it's it's it's a little jaw dropping at times,
58:48
Speaker 2: the quality of player that you look at and you know,
58:50
Speaker 2: he played at Texas A and M and wasn't drafted.
58:54
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Rock pretty the last player in
58:57
Speaker 2: a draft. I mean, so when anybody questions the future
59:00
Speaker 2: of football, start looking at what the Rams have been
59:03
Speaker 2: able to secure and develop in the fifth round and
59:08
Speaker 2: the sixth or Jordan Whittingham, Puka Nakua, I mean, i'mer
59:12
Speaker 2: on Saint Brown was a fourth round picket wide receiver.
59:16
Speaker 2: It's just I just I guess that's my take on
59:18
Speaker 2: the preseason. One of the things I enjoy is watching
59:20
Speaker 2: it and then going online and going where this kid
59:23
Speaker 2: go to college.
59:24
Speaker 1: Well, one thing I learned because like like any young fan,
59:27
Speaker 1: I used to be like draft grades and can't wait
59:30
Speaker 1: to watch the first or second rounder. And then I
59:32
Speaker 1: started going to these camps working in it, and then
59:34
Speaker 1: I started doing this and going to it more from
59:36
Speaker 1: a content standpoint, And you get there and the second
59:40
Speaker 1: rounder would just get beat out by the seventh rounder
59:43
Speaker 1: within like a week, you know, or all of a sudden,
59:46
Speaker 1: the guy who had draft in the third round, who
59:48
Speaker 1: had just started at USC for four years is running
59:51
Speaker 1: behind the undrafted free agent from North Dakota. And I
59:54
Speaker 1: think the greatest part about football in the draft process
59:59
Speaker 1: and the team building aspect, is you're dealing with human
1:00:02
Speaker 1: beings and you can never quite know what they're gonna
1:00:06
Speaker 1: be like once they get there, and the hunger that
1:00:08
Speaker 1: they have. And the most well documented because he's done
1:00:11
Speaker 1: ten million interviews on this because of pick one, was Brady.
1:00:14
Speaker 1: But what the way Brady talks about the drive and
1:00:17
Speaker 1: want it? A lot of guys have now they're not
1:00:20
Speaker 1: as good as Tom. But that guard that makes the
1:00:22
Speaker 1: team in play seven years is an undrafted free agent
1:00:26
Speaker 1: and year one that a guy right now all around
1:00:29
Speaker 1: the league, right if you played the last couple of days,
1:00:33
Speaker 1: East Coast, maybe they've already done it. But like our
1:00:35
Speaker 1: West Coast teams, they're meeting as a staff, the coaching
1:00:39
Speaker 1: staff and the GM and a couple of his guys
1:00:41
Speaker 1: and maybe the trainers, and they're going position by position,
1:00:44
Speaker 1: and they're getting to some guys and it's like, hey,
1:00:47
Speaker 1: we got Colin Coward, our starting right guard. He makes
1:00:49
Speaker 1: eleven million dollars if he's on the roster week one.
1:00:52
Speaker 1: If we cut him, where we get out free and
1:00:54
Speaker 1: clear this undrafted free agent. I'm not saying he's as good,
1:00:59
Speaker 1: but he may one eleventh of what this guy's make.
1:01:02
Speaker 1: And the on line coaches goes, I believe by Halloween
1:01:06
Speaker 1: he'll be just as good. In four years, he can
1:01:08
Speaker 1: be better. So you start thinking and it's like, well
1:01:11
Speaker 1: that undrafted free agents from you know, pick a random
1:01:14
Speaker 1: Kansas state and it's like, yeah, we didn't think it.
1:01:17
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes in the draft process, think about
1:01:20
Speaker 1: the draft. It happens at the end of April. Well,
1:01:22
Speaker 1: most of the I mean half the colleges are done
1:01:24
Speaker 1: playing by early to mid December, so you have this
1:01:27
Speaker 1: huge gap between and I just think it's easy to
1:01:30
Speaker 1: overthink human beings. You can't what brock Turty was the
1:01:34
Speaker 1: player of the year in Arizona, and he was the
1:01:36
Speaker 1: player of the year in a state. You know, in
1:01:38
Speaker 1: the player of the year. Buddy's six foot one, so
1:01:41
Speaker 1: Nick Saven's.
1:01:43
Speaker 2: And he was Yeah, he was in a small school, Harry, remember, Yeah,
1:01:47
Speaker 2: he was not at Chaparral or one of these powerhouses. Yeah,
1:01:50
Speaker 2: he wasn't throwing to four and five star guys. He
1:01:53
Speaker 2: was at an average high school.
1:01:55
Speaker 1: And I think if if he had been my age,
1:01:58
Speaker 1: you know, back early two thousand's Black Party might end
1:02:02
Speaker 1: up at UC Davis. But I do think the Internet age,
1:02:05
Speaker 1: those guys get opportunities now because people can find him.
1:02:08
Speaker 1: But you're still Alabama's, Georgia's, Ohio states. They're not as
1:02:11
Speaker 1: likely to take them. Right.
1:02:13
Speaker 2: Listen, Greys Abel went to North Dakota State. Gray's Abel
1:02:19
Speaker 2: is better than any offensive lineman USC has had in
1:02:23
Speaker 2: over a decade. And I watched him at North Dakota State.
1:02:26
Speaker 2: Because they're on TV a couple times a year, and
1:02:28
Speaker 2: they were talking about him. And then I watched him
1:02:30
Speaker 2: with the Seahawks, you know the team I grew up with. Yeah,
1:02:33
Speaker 2: by the first week he was pancaking people. Graysabel out
1:02:38
Speaker 2: of North Dakota States, and I mean he just think
1:02:42
Speaker 2: about all the foreign five star offensive linemen USC just
1:02:45
Speaker 2: I'll just take USC for example. They have not had
1:02:48
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman as good as grays Abel from North
1:02:50
Speaker 2: Dakota State. That is the gift that keeps on giving,
1:02:53
Speaker 2: is that you just don't know where the talent's going
1:02:56
Speaker 2: to come from.
1:02:56
Speaker 1: Well, the Chargers, where's Jake Slater. He went to Florida,
1:03:01
Speaker 1: so he's not nobody. But I don't think, yeah, he's
1:03:04
Speaker 1: he's the second round picks.
1:03:05
Speaker 2: That's okay, he was big sixty, he was okay, it
1:03:08
Speaker 2: was not a great interior old line year.
1:03:11
Speaker 1: But he's a good example. If he goes on to
1:03:14
Speaker 1: be who knows, I mean, who's to say he can't
1:03:16
Speaker 1: be a Pro Bowl or you just look around. That's
1:03:18
Speaker 1: like this guy goes to make three Pro Bowls. He's
1:03:20
Speaker 1: taken at the end of the second round, and half
1:03:22
Speaker 1: the guy's taken above him around of the league within
1:03:24
Speaker 1: four or five years. So it's just there is no
1:03:28
Speaker 1: exact sit there never will be. As someone told me,
1:03:32
Speaker 1: who's like the number two for a team, He's like,
1:03:33
Speaker 1: you know, we bring in a lot of other sports,
1:03:35
Speaker 1: specifically like our GM's friends with baseball guys, and he's like,
1:03:40
Speaker 1: we talked to him about the wiring of those, Like
1:03:42
Speaker 1: they're just fascinated by the wiring of our guys. Like, yeah,
1:03:45
Speaker 1: our guys are kind of they kind of got to
1:03:48
Speaker 1: shift their mindset into becoming like a barbaric warrior. He's like,
1:03:51
Speaker 1: when you play left field for the Yankees, like, can
1:03:53
Speaker 1: you hit the curve bar? You can't? You know, do
1:03:55
Speaker 1: you have enough energy today or do you not? It's
1:03:57
Speaker 1: not like, you know, they don't even care if you
1:03:59
Speaker 1: run out. You know, you pop, fly, bounce as you
1:04:02
Speaker 1: end up at first base. The announcers like, should have hustled,
1:04:04
Speaker 1: But what nothing really in football? I mean, if you
1:04:07
Speaker 1: don't hustle, everyone's screaming at you when you come off
1:04:11
Speaker 1: the field. It's a there's a violence to football that
1:04:15
Speaker 1: factors into the draft thing. Why it's so difficult.
1:04:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember years ago I read somebody told me
1:04:23
Speaker 2: this or something about UFC, like every UFC champion had
1:04:26
Speaker 2: grown up with brothers, like more brothers than sisters because
1:04:31
Speaker 2: and often you know, you get young boys beat up
1:04:35
Speaker 2: on each other. Young boys are physical like that gets
1:04:38
Speaker 2: you're wiring to be physical and tough, you know, gets
1:04:43
Speaker 2: that stuff starts really young when you're a young boy.
1:04:46
Speaker 2: And I think in the same in football, I just
1:04:48
Speaker 2: think there's you know, you see a lot of families,
1:04:51
Speaker 2: the Matthews or the Watts, and you know you're just around.
1:04:53
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like it's not like, by the way,
1:04:56
Speaker 2: JJ Watt was a five star athlete, he walked on too.
1:04:59
Speaker 2: You know he's got a big dad, but you know
1:05:01
Speaker 2: he's got a bunch of brothers and all of a sudden,
1:05:03
Speaker 2: you know you're you look up and you're like, God,
1:05:05
Speaker 2: that's what a legacy this family has. And it's I
1:05:09
Speaker 2: just think it's just I just watched preseason. I just
1:05:12
Speaker 2: I'm blown away by the layers and levels of talent
1:05:16
Speaker 2: that goes undrafted or late round guys. So John Middlecoff
1:05:21
Speaker 2: is always buddy, great senior, take it easy,