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Eagles In Free Agency, Philly NIL Initiative And Flyers Challenges (PST Episode 557) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Hey there, everybody, it's Jeff. I wanted to let you know that
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  we recorded this podcast episode on both Wednesday, March thirteenth, twenty twenty four,
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  and March fourteenth, twenty twenty four, so by the time you hear
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  this, some things may have changed here there, but we hope you enjoy
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  the show. All right, everybody, you're listening to the Philadelphia Sports Table
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  there, I am Jeff Warren. I'm here by good buddy, Eric
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  Leonard, Eric Man. How you doing. I'm good Man recording this in
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  the morning this yeah, one, Yes, it's different. I'll say that
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  like I'm in my Jammy's Like I'm not usually my jams for the night show.
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  It's a different vibe. Yeah, like morning, why don't have the
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  beer next to me? I could, but well you could get it started
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  early. Get it started early. Well, just to let folks know,
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  you know, you know, Eric may be looking for some employment, and
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  so if you want to, if you want to give him a job,
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  feel free, feel free. He's a great worker. Yeah, it had
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  got I got laid off downsizing casualty unfortunately. And I'll be okay everybody out
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  there, not that anyone gives a ship or worried, but yeah, I'll
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  be all right. I'm searching mode, got this old severance and all that
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  good stuff. So I'm good. You're good, You're good for a little
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  bit. But he also wanted to give thanks for the qualifier. Now I
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  feel the pressure. There you go, there you go. Hey, I'd
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  love to I'd love to give you money from the show, but we don't
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  make any No, I'm just it's been eleven years, no, I know,
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  I know, like the little amount that we bring in from these d
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  It really is amazing, folks, what individuals do make doing podcasts out there.
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  And again, this is just like a side thing for us. It
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  really is. I mean, it's it's it's nothing that pays the bills.
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  I'll tell you that. It is funny. Every now and again, folks,
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  I'll get like a coffee mug in the mail out of nowhere, like
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  like you got me a john one, says John on like the wah wall
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  logo yea, or like an awesome record I love on vinyl. Just it
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  just periodically and he'll just be like, I sent you a record like for
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  the show, just thanks for doing the show with me. Guess what you
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  got you and Lang got something coming soon? All right? Yes, a
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  job. I always say, like before we go to break, we got
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  to pay the bills. But that's like the bills for the show. When
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  I say, you know, this doesn't pay the bill, Like it doesn't
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  pay your house bills at all. Seriously, Like I would love if this
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  I would love if this show would just pay my electricity bill for a couple
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  months. It'd be great. It'd be great. I can just cross one
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  bill off the list with this show. Yeah, that's awesome. I mean
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  to pull back the curtain, folks. You know, people are like,
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  we've been doing it for so long, how did you make you more money?
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  And stuff? Look, we've been approached by a number a number of
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  podcasting platforms over the course of all of these years. But I because I
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  generally run things here I have talked to the guys and I've kind of been
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  like, you know what, No, we just want to stay independent.
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  I don't want to be beholden to downloads, certain guests, all the logistics
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  that go into it, and I don't want to be beholden to the analytics
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  and what these companies specifically want, because once you get into that, you
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  honestly start losing your passion for what you're talking about and then things just fizzle
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  out. I just don't want that. I want to continue talking about Philly
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  sports sports in general without having to be married to some analytics based nonsense that
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  I really couldn't care less about. So that that's why folks were complaining about
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  it. And yes, could we make more money, absolutely, but I
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  just I just refuse to give up that integrity. I guess, you know,
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  to uh to other companies out there, I need a new agent integrity
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  anymo. So I need jabby jab I totally get it, and honestly,
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  the show would I can tell you right now, the show would go downhill.
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  I think it would. I just like talking, I swear a lot.
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  I like being goofy. If I had to, I had to like
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  be holding to somebody like, well you can't. You can say yes,
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  we're I'm like, well, then I can't do the show exactly, exactly
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  flat out of my mouth. And I don't like and I like being us
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  exactly sometimes of shows like it just sounds like robots yep. November and December,
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  I was having conversations with a particular podcast platform, in fact, one
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  that we've had guests from a number of times, and I was really close.
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  I was really close to saying, Okay, let's do it because our
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  podcast, our podcast, believe it or not, would have been in different
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  airports throughout the United States and on on television as well. And I actually
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  just said, now, let's I just don't want to do it because Eric,
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  you have fun, Len he has fun when he's on here. I
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  don't think we would have fun, and that's what we want to do here.
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  It's just not all about the money. So I uh yeah, who
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  knows what will happen in the future, probably just this probably dead air here,
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  Yes, just like how we do it now, I don't think exactly
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  exactly. All right, Well, we are getting ready to head into year
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  eleven, and I do want to mention really cool that there has been a
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  specific listener that's been with us for a very very long time, and this
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  individual recently lost a family member. We've gotten to know this individual over the
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  years, and this this person has been a lot to us here at the
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  Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, and we just want to give a shout out
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  and just to say that you are in our thoughts. You lost a family
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  member, somebody who was very near and dear to you. We've been thinking
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  about you, and we wanted to let you know that, Yeah, same
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  sentiment as Jeff. It's just awful. And when we heard you know,
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  we obviously reached out immediately, and yeah, you're definitely in our thoughts.
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  And if you pray, pray out there like it's just just a horrible thing.
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  Absolutely send in positive energy your way for sure if you are listening here
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  on this episode. So with that being said, we have got a good
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  show for you, got a lot of Eagles talk that we're going to be
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  getting into. Then we're actually going to take a little bit of a break
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  from sports, and we got a new top three list, the top three
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  best TV game shows of all time. Eric I wanted to put this on
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  the agenda because one I think We just needed a little bit of a break
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  right now from the monotony of what the sports world is right now because the
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  Sixers stink. The Flyers are really going through some ups and downs. We're
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  certainly going to talk about the Flyers on this show, but it's nice to
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  kind of just get away from sports and talk about something that you know,
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  we've all loved over the years. Everybody loves game shows, and let's let's
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  do our top three. I agree, great, All right, Well,
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  I tell you this morning recording is great. Listen, what do you about?
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  Yeah, I'm just kidding. I know, I'm just kidding. That
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  goes around the morning drive time. I'm not a morning person, so yeah,
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  I'm a little Oh my god, Yeah you mention trying to do a
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  morning show every day. Oh my gosh, it'd be terrible. It'd be
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  terrible. It'd be terrible. Well, after we do our top three list,
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  folks, we are going to be getting into some Sixers talk. Yeah,
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  we're just gonna talk. Seriously. It could be a two minute conversation,
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  have no idea, and then we actually have two minutes or two minutes.
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  We have two interviews on the table this week, councilman Isaiah Thomas,
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  not that Isaiah Thomas, but counselman Isaiah Thomas, who we've had on the
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  show before. He's gonna give us an update on the Philly based nil legislation
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  that is set to become law in the city of Philadelphia that's gonna assist high
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  school youth athletes. He's a really great counselman. He does a lot of
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  youth activities sports camps throughout the city. So looking forward to that particular interview.
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  And then Russ Cohen from the Locked On Flyers podcast, he's gonna join
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  us for a dive into what the Flyers did at the trade deadline and how
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  the remainder of this season looks for a team that's really going through some challenges
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  and they're also trying to find themselves. So we've got a great show.
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  Did you want to say something, Eric, we're actually looking at each other
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  on camera again. Yeah, just real quick. So, because I've been
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  unemployed for a couple of days now, I do the morning stuff, you
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  know, at at times like I had to run the kids to a dental
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  appointment the other day. Okay, I'm getting somewhere here. You mentioned Radio
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  Morning shows. I don't listen to Terresto radio ever, like ever, same
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  here and it's been forever. And I took I took the kids to the
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  dentist, and of course they're playing like the local morning radio show and the
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  lot in the waiting room. God, and it's the local Wink one O
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  four. If you're from central Pa, you definitely know it's it's the Milk
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  Toast Bland. We are there. We play very white, safe music in
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  the morning shows, your classic like to the guy and the gal have coffee
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  and they just bs back and forth and sometimes the guy says crap and you
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  know, and the girl goes, who stop it, oh boy, oh
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  language. I didn't know those shows were still out there, but apparently they
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  are. And I was just like, this is amazing. And then he
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  went into some horrible Gwen Stefani Blake Shelton song followed by Maroon five, and
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  I'm like, I'm in at. I didn't know this world still existed.
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  This feels like nineteen ninety eight. But I was just shocked, like I
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  didn't know that was still out there and people still. I was at that
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  dentist last week with the twins. They were getting their cleanings done, and
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  the same thing happened. I mean, we are listening to like it's like
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  an eighties nineties type of pop pop music type of station, and it was
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  driving me insane, and they had it up just a little bit too loud
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  too, and I'm like, oh my gosh, well that's that's so the
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  white hairs can hear it. That's true. Yeah, yeah, all right,
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  well, Eric, let's get into the Philadelphia Eagles here, because like,
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  I'm actually I don't know about you, but I'm really excited about.
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  It's like one of the only things in the world of Philly sports and I'm
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  like, really, really really excited about right now is the fact that Howie
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  Roseman has said, fuck it again. We are going to murder. We
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  are going to murder free agency. We are going to kill it when it
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  comes to resigning guys extending certain players. So real quick, folks, in
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  case you've been under a rock, here's the list thus far as we are
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  recording this. They acquired running back Saquon Barkley. They acquired safety C.
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  J. Gardner Johnson. They acquired defensive end Bryce Huff. They acquired wide
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  receiver Devonte Parker. They acquired guard and center Matt Hennessy. They also require
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  acquired linebacker Zach Bonn. And they also decided that they wanted to re sign
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  Brandon Graham for another year, tight end albert O who knows about that one,
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  but long snapper Rick Lovado, punter Braden Man, and they extended Landon
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  Dickerson and Jake Elliott. Those guys are gonna be on the roster for years
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  to come. Now, those are the guys that who are we are going
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  to see in an Eagles uniform at least for a year, if not more.
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  But man, the Saquon Barkley signing, Holy crap. Eric I was
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  so excited. And I know folks are talking about the injury always injury prone.
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  Yeah, he towards ACL, but the fact of the matter is,
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  over the past two years he's played thirty out of the last thirty four games.
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  Like that. There's something to be about that. There really is.
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  He's fine, He's gonna be fine. I I can't believe that how he
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  did this, And I'm gonna say this too for those that follow us on
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  Twitter, I put up on the PSD Twitter slash x account. I was
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  like, there is no way the rumors were coming out about Saquon Barkley and
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  that the contract might be over twelve million dollars a year for a running back,
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  and I'm like, there is no way, based on the contemporary history
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  of this team and what they have done year after year with the running back
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  position, that they are gonna pay that much for a running back in free
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  agency. I'm like, there is no way. I'm like, this is
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  total bullshit. And then about an hour later it happened. I was like,
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  over thirteen million dollars a year. I'm like, holy shit, what
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  a one point eighty in the philosophy of this front office. I don't know
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  if it's the coaching that's gonna be brought in with offensive coordinator Kellen Moore Eric,
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  but like, I'm really excited about them going all in on a lot
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  of these guys, Saquon Barkley, bringing Gardner Johnson back, Bryce huff coming
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  over from the Jets as well. It's I'm like really excited about these moves.
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  I think have all the names you listen, I think the one to
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  really worry about injury wise is uh C J. Gardner Johnson. I think
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  he's the one that I'd be more frightened of but he's much less cost and
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  he's at a you know, not his premium positions, So I like that
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  signing. As far as signing Saquon, you know, every almost every sports
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  league is a copycat league. And I can't imagine the Howie and the Eagles
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  didn't think or didn't watch the Niners get to the Super Bowl with Christian McCaffrey
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  being the center of their offense and didn't decide like, hey, we have
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  two awesome receivers just like the Niners have, where we don't have our McCaffrey,
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  and that I think there's envisioning Barkley being there McCaffrey. And like I
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  said, he of course the injuries are scary with him a little bit because
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  he you know, if any any knee related stuff, like related stuff,
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  you know, that's for a running back that's scared. But what what I
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  mean The story has always been, ah, we'll just patchwork the running back
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  position, right, yep. And it's worked, it's worked well. But
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  if you can get a Christian McCaffrey type performer, top five like offensive player
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  in the league in Saquon Barkley, who by the way, has played for
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  an awful offense for how many years? Are the worst third worst offensive line
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  too that he's been running behind for the past couple of years. See what
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  you want about Jalen Hurts. He no Danny Dimes. I mean Jones sucked
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  ass And I think it's funny the Giants decided to plant their flag in future
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  and that guy and let a guy like Barkley walk and then they signed Singletary
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  for what five six millions some crazy numbers, like why don't you just pay
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  Barkley at that point? Whatever, that's the Giants, screw them. The
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  greatest signing on here is Bryce Huff, you know, because I think that's
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  we talked to a couple weeks about on the show, like defensive end red
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  rusher that as there wasn't a tackle position as much as I think we needed.
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  We just need to help on the edge. He was one of the
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  best guys on the market. He's smaller Brandy Graham's coming back. I say
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  absolutely drafted a larger defensive end in the first round to pair with Huff because
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  it sounds like Reddick won't be bat Hassan. Redick's not going to come back
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  because of the Huff trades. So of all the trade. I like even
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  like having DeVante Parker just a veteran wide receiver in the locker room, you
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  know. And I do have to say, just if Albert what's his what's
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  his last name, I'm not even gonna try. Okay, Albert, Oh,
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  that's what I call it. And you said, oh, and I'm
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  just thinking, like, if he scores a touchdown, he has to do
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  the Bury Oh, the old wrestler. Yes, he would win over the
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  city because that's that's it feeling that Philly is filled with wrestling doors. Wait
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  what absolutely, my god, that would be gred oh over Albert. Oh.
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  It's really It's been a great offseason thus far. I think for the
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  Philadelphia Eagles that, in my opinion, they get an a Like you said,
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  I think one of the most consequential from a defensive standpoint, as this
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  is a team that builds through the trenches, is that Bryce huff pick.
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  Because we know that it looks like, as you said, Son Reddick probably
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  not coming back. It seems as though Josh Sweat is going to be traded
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  as well. In fact, he already put on his Twitter He's like,
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  well, gonna miss Philly, Are gonna miss you guys? Or something like
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  that. So other things are going to be happening. And yes, I
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  can see this team drafting again in the trenches. First round, that first
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  pick of the draft. I think they're pick number twenty two. I can
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  see them actually going and getting a pass rusher, you know, whether it's
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  Chop Robinson from Penn State. I know a lot of mock drafts have him
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  going to the Eagles, but I still think how he could have something up
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  his sleeve. And could they re sign to Son Reddick? Yeah, I
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  mean they still could. It's a possibility. I think it's less of a
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  possibility at this point, but still they're addressing the trench is like they usually
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  do. They know that there is a shift with regard to the defensive line,
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  and it's been my biggest concern heading into this upcoming season. They're addressing
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  it. I just I love what how he's doing here. They're spending money
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  they got, they still got a decent amount of cap room here. So
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  uh, it's gonna be really interesting to see what they do, especially draft
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  wise. Yeah, my only my only fear resigning Reddick along with Huff You're
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  you're really small that position. Then Yeah, I just want I just want
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  one more big guy, feel like we're gonna get run on, especially if
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  our young defensive tackles don't step up and take over. I want to just
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  segue into this Fletcher Cox retiring. Yes, I do think it kind of
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  sucks that he's not getting the same love that Jason Kelsey got because I almost
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  I almost think of Kelsey and Cox as like just they were. They were
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  like the two heads of the team. Yeah, they were in both they
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  were in super important positions and at the front of the offense and defense.
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  Cox was a lifelong Eagle just like Kelsey, was same amount of time pretty
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  much and was awesome. Like, did you do we ever have a season
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  where we complained about Jason Kelsey's before? No, did we ever have one
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  with Fletcher Cox? No? I don't think we ever did. No.
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  He was always fantastic. I mean twenty eighteen, he had ten and a
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  half stacks at the tackle position and they were talking about him being like Aaron
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  Donald like, and I don't. I don't. Again, I don't think
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  he got even close to enough love on his retirement announcement that Jason Kelsey got.
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  And he's gonna be missed big time. A lifelong eagle. Another guy
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  like, where does he rank all time guys that stayed with the team the
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  entire extent of their career. It's up there. It's top five, for
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  sure. Yeah, it's absolutely top five. Look, he missed just six
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  games in his entire twelve year career. Two of those six games came last
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  year, and it was one of the reasons why he decided to hang it
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  up. From what he said, he felt that his play it was not
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  that Pro Bowl caliber type of play that he had been accustomed to for so
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  long. And again he didn't like that he missed two games last year due
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  to injury. And it's like, oh, man, dude, like you
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  still have some stuff in the tank here. I mean, he had five
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  sacks last year, thirty six quarterback pressures, seventeen quarterback hits. He still
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  has some gas in the tank. There's those are good numbers that Like.
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  I was really surprised by it. I thought he had at least another year,
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  possibly two years. But look, I give him all the credit in
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  the world. Perhaps he's saying to himself, Okay, I missed two games.
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  My body's deteriorating. Here. I don't want to go down with a
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  terrible career ending injury that's going to affect me for the rest of my life.
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  Absolutely respect that, But man, I thought he still had more gas
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  in the tank. I think he retired at the perfect time because you just
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  painted it perfectly, like he missed two games last year than probably I think
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  the most he missed all his entire career. Yeah, in one season.
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  He's thirty three, and it's like they've already they've already dropped. This is
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  how long he's there. I mean how many how many guys they draft that
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  were supposed to be his replacement, right right? I mean I got four
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  now, probably else was the same way like but but for his position,
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  they draft first round draft picks and he outlasted them. Yes, but I
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  do think he's going out at a perfect time because, like you said,
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  he probably wants to walk. It's the rest of his life, right,
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  Absolutely, thirty three years old, I made a butt ton of money.
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  I can't can't do much better. And I again shout out to Fletcher Cox.
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  I was hoping he would have got a little more like pub on the
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  retirement. Yeah, same here, same here. Let us know what you're
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  thinking. Philadelphia Sports Table at Gmail dot com. We'd love to read your
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  email here in the show and respond to it with regard to the Philadelphia Eagles
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  team. What's been going on during this offseason with retirements, the acquisitions,
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  the contract extensions, and the resigns. It's an exciting time, it really
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  is. But uh, let's take a break. Let's take a break from
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  sports right now. Let's get into our new top three list here, the
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  top three best TV game shows of all time. I would love to know
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  what yours are out there, folks, because sometimes you just need to step
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  back, take a break from what's going on in your life, what's going
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  on in the world. Game shows are fantastic ways to just completely waste time
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  and be entertained. I know I have had my game shows that I have
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  loved over the past forty six years of my life. So Eric, as
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  I usually do, I'm gonna let you start here, buddy. I have
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  got an honorable mention, and I've got my top three list too, So
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  let's start with you. What are your thoughts here in terms of some of
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  the best TV game shows of all time? Honorable mention would be excuse me.
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  I used to love Press Your Luck Oh so much energy The host was
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  really good. I can't remember his name right now, but he was.
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  He was like a legit. He was he had the hair and the voice.
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  Yeah, he's in the pantheon with Wink Martin Dale in terms of like
• 21:57
  what else could this person do for a living besides being a corny morning radio
• 22:02
  show or TV show? Right, they just have just have that game show
• 22:04
  vibe. But Pressure Luck just had the what a gimmick? The whammy?
• 22:10
  Yes, I mean I remember seeing wammy T shirts when I was a kid
• 22:11
  in the eighties. But my favorite thing about game shows, and one of
• 22:17
  one of my top three has this has this weird thing I like the macabre
• 22:22
  sometimes or the back there's or weird story surrounding the game show. Yeah,
• 22:26
  yeah, that happened. And I don't know if you ever saw it.
• 22:30
  You go on YouTube and just put in Pressure Luck cheating scandal. Oh,
• 22:34
  there's a short documentary on a guy named Michael Larson And this was like this
• 22:40
  is back in the day when Pressure Luck only had like they only had like
• 22:44
  thirty combinations going on the board. Okay, this was like pre they weren't
• 22:48
  using computers to do the trigonometry. The programming of the thing right, apparently
• 22:55
  only had like thirty thirty patterns or thirty spots. I had a pattern and
• 22:59
  this guy figured it out on TV, got on the show and then went
• 23:03
  on to win like three over three hundred thousand dollars, which on that show
• 23:04
  is absurd, right or something like that, And apparently it changed the way
• 23:10
  all game shows worked. Oh, they made all these different paths, Like
• 23:14
  they put like twenty thousand patterns in after this guy, and then he went
• 23:18
  on to like lose all his money, he got robbed, he died young
• 23:22
  of a heart. It was just, oh, my weird, I know,
• 23:25
  but I like that this nice, wholesome, fun game show has this
• 23:27
  weird side story. And I don't know if you definitely go on YouTube and
• 23:33
  look at Michael Larson. I think it's a quick dock. I think it's
• 23:36
  like thirty minutes. It is fun to watch. I gotta I gotta look
• 23:37
  that up. I'm actually writing it down right now. I have to big
• 23:41
  Bucks, No whammies. It's a great honorable mention, it really is.
• 23:48
  I remember, you know, with contestants looking looking for that button to stop
• 23:53
  the flashing board, you know, in this awesome nineteen eighties type of show
• 24:00
  is a lot of fun. And I also thought in my honorable mention too,
• 24:03
  what I thought was fun because because it got a little saucy, eric
• 24:07
  was Love Connection. Love Connect look for more than a decade. Love Connection
• 24:14
  was one of the most popular game shows the eighties, and I get I
• 24:15
  think the early nineties as well. I remember watching it mostly in the eighties
• 24:19
  and just Chuck Wallery was he was the host. Oh my gosh, yeah,
• 24:25
  now he's doing now Chuck Woolery is doing. I forget what infomercials that
• 24:30
  he's doing right now, but I just remember his name. But anyway,
• 24:32
  studio audience members, they would vote for their selections on who who should date
• 24:37
  who afterward and just the comical at times sauciness of oh my gosh, this
• 24:45
  person, this person doesn't like to sleep with the covers on at night,
• 24:48
  oh you know, and it would always be the ooh ah type of thing.
• 24:55
  And I always thought it was funny. I really did. So I'm
• 24:56
  going with Love Connection as my honorable mention. I remember Love Connection, and
• 25:03
  I have I have some additional thoughts on it because for one of my top
• 25:07
  three, but I I remember watching that show as a kid and like not
• 25:12
  really understanding what the hell was going on because I didn't I didn't know what
• 25:17
  dating was it Like, I was adults talking about weird stuff. I didn't
• 25:22
  understand. Chuck Glory went on to become like some right wing weirdo. Yes,
• 25:26
  who does? Who does? Like it does infomercials on like put gold
• 25:30
  in your walls and that kind of stuff. Is that what it is?
• 25:32
  Okay? Yeah, we're in reverse mortgage ship to fool the white hair as
• 25:37
  we talked about earlier. Yes, yeah, all right, very good.
• 25:38
  All right, what's your number three top game show of all time? Okay,
• 25:45
  so I'm going to go right into It stems from the love Connection one,
• 25:48
  and the dating game was another one that there you go, kind of
• 25:53
  tied to love connection. Love connection was more. Love connection was more like
• 25:59
  there wasn't a lot of double on Tandra and love connection. It was more
• 26:02
  straightforward, like I went on date dates with these three people and this is
• 26:07
  how it went, you know. And there was a little bit of that
• 26:08
  double the seventies version way more cocaine and alcohol evolved and and you were still
• 26:15
  in the time of like schlocky humor, and every game show host thought he
• 26:21
  had to have like, you know, a dick joke, but it was
• 26:23
  like it was hidden because it was on TV, Like like the Match Game
• 26:26
  was a great example of that match game or Hollywood Squares, but the Dating
• 26:30
  Game was just full on. It was just kind of gross. Yeah,
• 26:34
  if you remember, everyone on the show was just kind of they looked like
• 26:37
  they had herpes. And you watch it now, you watch those episodes now
• 26:41
  and you're like, how is how would this person sitting here in on camera
• 26:47
  here be considered even semi attractive And the guys were typically skiv Yeah, for
• 26:53
  the most part. And I'll tie that back into the this one dating game
• 26:59
  also has a weird side story that that's pretty pretty famous one. But I
• 27:03
  feel like it was the precursor internet stalking. It was the dating game because
• 27:07
  like you were just revealing your information right there in the front of everybody.
• 27:11
  Yeah, and that's the only way you can stalk anybody because you have it
• 27:15
  online. So I feel like these poor people once they left the show probably
• 27:21
  got stalked by weirdos who knew their name and knew where they lived. They
• 27:25
  say where they lived, It's insane exactly, but that's so true. It's
• 27:30
  like stalking in ants stalking for sure. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm Monica
• 27:37
  blah blah blah. I live in Los Angeles in Hollywood, and it's like,
• 27:41
  what the hell you just crazy? This is back when there's three stations.
• 27:47
  Twenty million people are watching this, right, Yes, I love that
• 27:51
  one. And speaking of weird stalking, and this goes way more than that.
• 27:56
  Like there's a story of you can go ahead and google it too.
• 28:00
  Neil Kala was he, he was on he was on it. He was
• 28:03
  on an episode of the Dating Game, and he wound up being like a
• 28:08
  Ted Bundy figure. He'd looked like Howard Stern, he had long curly hair.
• 28:14
  He was on the show and he uh, if you watch it now,
• 28:18
  I'm sure at the time people were like, oh, he's so funny.
• 28:19
  It was like, no, he's a creep, like more so than
• 28:22
  the other creeps. And he wound up being like a serial killer and like
• 28:26
  in kidnapping women. Like again, like I think, if you have that
• 28:30
  kind of show, you're gonna draw some real weirdos. Yeah, well to
• 28:37
  the game, to the show. So sorry to end it on a creepy
• 28:38
  note, but again it is it is Ridney al Kala and Michael Larson.
• 28:42
  Just go ahead and Google and you'll enjoy yourself like an hour just reading through
• 28:45
  it. I mean, yeah, I don't think there are dating game shows
• 28:48
  anymore at this point, not in this day and age of the Internet.
• 28:52
  That's the reason why folks, Oh my gosh, I gotta have to look
• 28:56
  those up. I really am. I'm gonna have to look up the cheating
• 29:00
  scandal with Press your Luck and also the Rodney h uh what was his name,
• 29:03
  Rodney l al kala ah la. Yeah, all right, boy,
• 29:08
  But well that that puts to my number three. I don't know. My
• 29:14
  number three is where I started to learn a little bit about humor, okay,
• 29:18
  and I'm going with Remote Control on MTV. Yeah it was. I
• 29:22
  mean it was MTV's first ever like non musical program that ran from eighty seven
• 29:29
  to ninety. It was only three years and you had three contestants that were
• 29:33
  on and if when they got eliminated, they would just like be forced through
• 29:37
  a wall or or put upside down to get out of there. And the
• 29:41
  Late Ken Ober he hosted, and I remember it was one of the first
• 29:45
  times I really started to understand comedy because of somebody who we have followed for
• 29:51
  years, Eric Colin Quinn. He served as the show's announcer, and I
• 29:56
  know there was a girl on there. I think her name is Carrie as
• 29:57
  well, who helped out for a couple of seasons as well. And as
• 30:03
  many of us know, young comedian and writer Adam Sandler, that's where he
• 30:07
  kind of got his start within the showbiz industry again as a writer for the
• 30:14
  show. And I just I loved the show. It was something new for
• 30:18
  me growing up. It was something where I was actually looking forward to it.
• 30:21
  It was one of those first shows that I like dealing with pop culture,
• 30:26
  understanding what pop culture was. From the time I was a I mean
• 30:27
  in eighty seven, I was ten years old, like I was ten to
• 30:33
  thirteen years old when this show came out. I was just starting to learn
• 30:37
  about the world, but again about comedy because there was so many funny moments
• 30:41
  on that show. I just remember laughing a ton at Remote Control, mainly
• 30:45
  Colin Quinn and the back and forth, the chemistry that Quinn had with Ken
• 30:51
  Ober. It was. It was a great show. And that's why that's
• 30:53
  why Remote controls my number three, her name was Carrie, were carry were
• 30:59
  that's what it was. Yeah, if you're twelve and you're watching that show,
• 31:03
  you were just like, wow, yes, oh just whistling Dixon.
• 31:07
  He No, I wouldn't throw out a bed freet and cracking jip and I
• 31:14
  yeah, Colin Quinn's one of my favorite comics ever. He's so funny.
• 31:18
  But I don't remember on the show he he looked like a complete Brooklyn asshole.
• 31:22
  Yep, and that was kind of his character. But his hair,
• 31:25
  he had the mullet. He just looked the mullet, the leather jacket.
• 31:29
  Yeah, And I always thought I always thought that remote control was the remote
• 31:34
  control was double Dare, Like Double Dare was for teenagers or young like ten
• 31:38
  year olds, and double and remote Control was like double Dare for like if
• 31:44
  you're in nearly twenties. You know, we maybe get into that show in
• 31:47
  a little bit here, but I always put those two together. Like for
• 31:52
  us, we were in the middle, like we were thirteen fourteen, so
• 31:55
  we would watch both. Yeah, and he is just into both. But
• 31:59
  I'm sorry if you did Doubledare. What's your number two here? Number two
• 32:06
  again? This is I used to love the Game show Network when that was
• 32:08
  I think it's still on. But I you know, back when when cable
• 32:13
  first finally started expanding really expanding, in like the early two thousands or late
• 32:16
  nineties, the Game Show Network. Man, I just had that on all
• 32:19
  the time because I was, you know, I was hungover twenty percent of
• 32:22
  my life, and Game Show Network is a perfect hangover channel of the morning,
• 32:27
  even in the evening. And uh god, my favorite. I used
• 32:30
  to love Card Sharks. Ooh yeah, both the both the late seventies and
• 32:36
  the mid eighties versions Jim Parry and Bob you Banks. Yes, yeah,
• 32:40
  it was, and they still this. This was still the era of the
• 32:45
  long the long microphone stick. Yes, the dude from Match Game like made
• 32:52
  popular. It was really I don't know why they needed this gigantic it's huge.
• 32:58
  Yeah, well, I mean I always thought it was, like,
• 33:01
  again, the seventies were so horny and weird and schlocky that I'm sure it
• 33:06
  was some phallic thing going on. But I like Card Sharks because you could
• 33:13
  be the biggest moron on the planet. Like we've all watched Jeopardy and pretended
• 33:16
  we know the answer and we would say the answer as the person was seeing
• 33:20
  the answer, Like, oh yeah, I knew it, yeah, but
• 33:22
  at heart, we're all stupid. And Card Sharks was so simple. I
• 33:28
  mean it was there was really no logic to the game. It was just
• 33:30
  it was chance. It was fifty to fifty, yep. And but what
• 33:35
  I liked about it though, was it was really quick. It was intense,
• 33:39
  but such low stakes. Yes, the people won like four hundred bucks.
• 33:45
  I mean, it was just the game was hardly innovative, no,
• 33:50
  not at all. And when you're just laying on the couch drooling on yourself
• 33:52
  because it's just like, ah, this is good. And then that show
• 33:57
  so didn't give a shit, but they would just end and like during the
• 34:00
  middle of the show like hey Bob, you lost, You're out bring on
• 34:05
  contestine. And then then that episode would like they'd be like one round in
• 34:08
  and the guy be like, all right, time's up. We'll continue this
• 34:12
  tomorrow. And it's like, don't these people like don't theyed to go to
• 34:15
  work tomorrow over now? Like how do you know when you're you're kid,
• 34:20
  you didn't realize they shoot like thirty episodes one day. But I just love
• 34:22
  that they just ended the fucking show and like we'll finish it tomorrow because someone
• 34:27
  really again, it's super intense, but the stakes are like two hundred dollars
• 34:30
  they're gonna win. I don't know, there's there's kind of a beauty to
• 34:34
  that that there's no I don't have to think it's so dumb and it's so
• 34:37
  simple exactly. You could be lying on the couch homesick from school put that
• 34:42
  on, and you're you're just gonna be happy watching that. I always loved
• 34:45
  the fact that there that they were working off a deck of like fifty two
• 34:50
  life sized cards, and I was always like, I want those cards here
• 34:53
  in my house, dude, I saw my note I forgot about who didn't
• 35:01
  want those cards? Yes, they were like they were like this big didn't
• 35:07
  have a technology yet to do the electronic things that actually had these actual cards.
• 35:12
  I love it. Well. My number two is we just mentioned it
• 35:15
  a few minutes ago here. Double Dare doubledare arguably the most popular like kid
• 35:22
  game show growing up on Nickelodeon. It was just apparently I didn't even know
• 35:28
  this. There was a Double Dare game show in the seventies. We're talking
• 35:30
  a lot about seventies. I wasn't aware that there was another Double Dare game
• 35:35
  show in the seventies, but nineteen eighty six is when this particular double Dare
• 35:39
  that I'm talking about came out, and man it apparently it came back in
• 35:43
  twenty eighteen. Probably didn't last. I had no idea, no idea at
• 35:47
  all. But it was hosted by Mark Summers and it was just a bunch
• 35:51
  of wacky physical challenges. The kids got involved in a lot of liquid concoctions,
• 35:55
  a lot of pudding and slime and just disgusting stuff that they had to
• 36:00
  run through. They get to get tapioca putting on their face, stuff,
• 36:07
  sliding down a sliding board or whatever. It was. It was just fun.
• 36:12
  It was kind of a wholesome, family friendly kind of game show.
• 36:15
  And I'm watching that and Remote Control, Like those were the two games game
• 36:20
  shows that I would watch at the same like during the same age like again,
• 36:23
  from like from ten to like thirteen years old, I would watch these
• 36:28
  these two shows and it was a huge part of my huge part of my
• 36:31
  adolescence. And it was it was it was just a fun game show.
• 36:37
  I always wanted to be on it. And I remember one time I tried
• 36:38
  to make an obstacle course in the house and My mom was like, what
• 36:42
  the hell are you doing? She's like, quit using the pots and pans?
• 36:49
  What what? Kid? Didn't try to make an obstacle course because we
• 36:52
  used to try to do in the backyard. But you fill a kittie pull
• 36:54
  up and you just wanted to get your hands on some green slime. But
• 36:59
  you know who that? How do you do that? But right, what
• 37:01
  a great show. Again, such low stakes. The things you win is
• 37:06
  like a new nerve football, like if you get like one, if you
• 37:09
  beat one, and yeah, great show. And again some of the weird
• 37:17
  side stuff. Apparently Mark Summers is one of the worst. Like he can't
• 37:23
  touch stuff. He washes his hands like eighty times a day. He's one
• 37:27
  of those guys. Oh it's like it's like Jack Nicholson and as good as
• 37:30
  it gets. Yeah, while he's on Bubble there is the grossest show.
• 37:35
  And I will say this, this is total nostalgia for you know people our
• 37:39
  age. Do you remember the show Funhouse? Oh yeah, it's kind of
• 37:44
  an offshoot. It was kind of a copycat. Yeah, and that used
• 37:47
  to be on back to back and it's funny like these shows, like I
• 37:52
  think of them as being like on for thirty years like Jeopardy, but when
• 37:54
  you go and look, it was like Funhouse was on for two seasons.
• 37:58
  Yeah, I think Remote Control was like three. That's it. Maybe,
• 38:00
  yeah, that's it. Double Dare just a few seasons also. But we
• 38:05
  thought back then time went so slow back then. Now time's going real fast.
• 38:09
  Yeah, we're gonna die soon, exactly. Yeah. And we had
• 38:15
  ten We had ten channels and nothing to do. And I remember recently I
• 38:20
  was talking to my son Vinnie and describing one of my summer days back when
• 38:25
  I was like twelve, almost his eight, and he was just like,
• 38:30
  that sounds boring. I'm like, listen, I didn't have a PS four,
• 38:32
  I didn't have a PC. Right. I played a game called bounce
• 38:37
  Ball for six hours. My mom's gonna get out of the house at nine,
• 38:39
  come home at six just geet it out of my face, Like that's
• 38:43
  what That's what I had to do, dude. So yep, exactly.
• 38:46
  I remember I really quick before he headed to our number ones. I remember
• 38:51
  making Jello one. So my mom's like, why are you making a whole
• 38:53
  thing a jello like that? What are you gonna eat? I go,
• 38:55
  no, I'm gonna put it over my sister's head. We're playing. She's
• 39:01
  like, don't do that. Damn all right, well, let's do our
• 39:05
  number ones here. What is your number one game show of all time?
• 39:08
  Buddy? Number one is I'm cheating a little bit, but I always thought
• 39:14
  it was. I always kind of thought it was a game show because it's
• 39:16
  a contest. And it was. In nineteen sixty there was a show called
• 39:22
  Home Run Derby. Ah. It was only two seasons and I think it
• 39:28
  was like twenty six episodes total, but it's it's literally home run Derby like
• 39:35
  you would have in your backyard with a whiffle ball right with the ball stick
• 39:38
  and you have a fence in the back. But this was actually like two
• 39:44
  top major leaguers at the time. We're talking, Hank Aaron, Mickey Mannle
• 39:47
  Al Kline like some of the harmon Killer Brew and Hank Aaron Mickey Mantle would
• 39:52
  play would do Home Run Derby. Yeah, in an empty stadium in Los
• 39:57
  Angeles. I think it was called Wrigley Field back then, which is weird.
• 40:00
  Yeah, but it wasn't a major league stadium. It was like an
• 40:04
  offshoot stadium and you can see houses behind the fence and like there was no
• 40:08
  crowd. There was an extremely dull announcer announcing each pitch, Mark Scott.
• 40:15
  Yeah, and he was and he was your typical Like there's a reason he
• 40:17
  didn't. I don't think he did actual baseball games. Right now, right
• 40:22
  like that, here comes the pitch, it's a home run to left field.
• 40:25
  I was. But like we complain about the dunk contests and superstars not
• 40:31
  wanting to do it, like this show had like the top stars of the
• 40:35
  day playing home run derby in their uniforms, no crowd. It was just
• 40:39
  like three people in the stadium. And then but the best part is it
• 40:44
  as the other batter was hitting like he would, he would be interviewing uh,
• 40:47
  the other player. And the interviews were the worst interviews you've ever heard
• 40:52
  in They were so boring. None of these guys had like pr people then
• 40:58
  or like to prep them. Like now every guy is like is ready to
• 41:00
  go, you know, yeah, especially if he's on TV doing a TV
• 41:05
  show, you know, a Bryce Harper, whoever's they're gonna be on it
• 41:07
  and they're gonna have talking points. But when I tell you, like I'm
• 41:12
  looking at the episode list here, when Ken Boyer, I'm pretty sure,
• 41:16
  Ken Boyer versus Harmon kill A grew okay, is Ken Boyer is one of
• 41:22
  the worst interviewees you've ever heard. He's scared to death. He sounds like
• 41:27
  wallpaper. But I used to love the show. I think there's only twenty
• 41:30
  six. I think it says here you can actually watch it on Prime for
• 41:34
  free. Oh my gosh. Yeah, And I'm definitely gonna go back and
• 41:37
  watch it. Yeah, and we show it to my son to be like,
• 41:40
  this is what people used to watch. And it's amazing that that talent
• 41:45
  like Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays went on that show. I mean we're talking
• 41:49
  about big time talent in the world of baseball was right there and they couldn't
• 41:54
  get any momentum going with this particular show at all because it was just so
• 42:00
  poorly handled and and just poorly thought out. Great great concept. You had
• 42:06
  the stars Eddie Matthews, Duke Snyder, Hank Aaron and it and it fizzled
• 42:09
  out after after two seasons. Basically, I again, it was like and
• 42:15
  there was no advertising. Defence has no advertising. What are you doing?
• 42:22
  It's almost like they snuck these guys in and and but didn't have the concept
• 42:24
  and actually all you need was one big time producer to go, what the
• 42:29
  fuck are you doing? It'd be huge. That's my I think why I
• 42:32
  love the show again. It's got card sharks. It's so simple. Yeah
• 42:36
  yeah, and they're playing for like a charity like the Dog and Cat Charity
• 42:42
  of Los Angeles. Like it's really like small charity things. It was like
• 42:45
  two thousand bucks too, like each each winner would get like two thousand dollars
• 42:50
  or something. Maybe maybe, Yeah, I love that one. I really.
• 42:54
  It's amazing how a cool concept like that could just be complete, deletely,
• 43:00
  completely just shoved into the ground because they had no clue on how to
• 43:06
  do anything. Like what a great concept, but it was just completely not
• 43:09
  done done well in terms of its advertising, in terms of just probably how
• 43:15
  they build it what it was. I mean again, like I said,
• 43:17
  you have Mickey Mannal and Willie Mays and you can't get this. You can't
• 43:22
  get any momentum here. It's pretty amazing. My number one, as we're
• 43:27
  finishing up the list here is it's kind of a I mean, it's gonna
• 43:30
  be an obvious one, and I have to do it because I would watch
• 43:35
  this constantly growing up and it was the price is right, I mean,
• 43:38
  and then hearing about all of the stories about Bob Barker, who was the
• 43:43
  main host before Drew Carrey, who, by the way, Drew carry I
• 43:47
  think he's done a serviceable job as the host. I think he has.
• 43:52
  But you hear a lot of those stories about Bob Barker and Barker's beauty's,
• 43:57
  you know, the Diane Parkinson's it was one of the Barker's beauties, and
• 44:01
  how he was just such a pervert, and it's like, we gotta,
• 44:06
  we gotta, we gotta get with these Barker's beauties this week here, and
• 44:09
  uh I just the game itself was always fun. It just seemed like I
• 44:15
  uh I always wanted to be on it. And in fact, one of
• 44:19
  my one of my favorite guitarists from one of my favorite bands, Adam Duka
• 44:22
  Witch from kill Switch Engage, was actually on the show. He was on
• 44:24
  the show and made it to the showcase showdown as well. I think he
• 44:30
  won. I think he won. So I'm going with the prices right,
• 44:34
  number one, A couple of prices right thoughts. Of course, I mean,
• 44:37
  if if you skip school from your kid, and I say skip school,
• 44:42
  you just tell your parents you're sick, right exactly, you're watching this,
• 44:44
  Oh, prices right is on? Dude. Yeah, and hopefully your
• 44:46
  mom's not there with you or somebody you know, have to watch a guiding
• 44:50
  light or some shit. Now the price is right always. Uh yeah,
• 44:54
  Bob Barker again one of you know, always in line with the long list
• 45:01
  of pervy game show hosts. I think pervy was kind of a requirement back
• 45:07
  then in the seventies game show. I mean, Richard Dawson used to make
• 45:09
  out with Grandma's on Family Feud. It was just disgusting, man. God.
• 45:15
  Yeah, but Barker was definitely kind of pervy. And uh here's here,
• 45:19
  here's here's speaking to his longevity on that show. He was there so
• 45:22
  long that you know, people I knew would have had opinions on him when
• 45:29
  you're just like, you don't even know who he is, Like my,
• 45:30
  my, my, my Nana, God bless her, God, bless her
• 45:34
  soul. Was she watched it all the time whenever I'd stay with her.
• 45:37
  She hated Bob Barker so much, but watched the show. Hate watched it
• 45:43
  because she hated him. Here's the reason why. Because in her mind.
• 45:47
  He was on for so long. In every episode he would talk about getting
• 45:51
  your cat's spade or your pet sah and in her mind because she just that's
• 45:57
  that was she watched him every day. It was like this guy was in
• 46:00
  her life every day. She hated him because he cared more about animals than
• 46:05
  people. Oh geez, that so he should have said something along the lines
• 46:12
  of, you know, UH, make a contribution to your uh, to
• 46:15
  your local homeless shelter. You know, he should have said, or span
• 46:20
  new to your your children, Jesus. But that's how long he was on
• 46:25
  the show. Yes, she was like, I know this person and I
• 46:29
  hate him. I hate that about him, and it's like, watch it.
• 46:32
  He was in your life every day. Yes, I'd love to know
• 46:37
  what your top three game shows are. Yeah, I didn't put the Jeopardy
• 46:40
  stuff on my list. I didn't go with like family Feud and stuff.
• 46:44
  Look, I think Jeopardy quite frankly, is one of the most overrated game
• 46:46
  shows. I really do, because it's like, and you know, I
• 46:50
  know, I just I'm not a big fan. It's like, oh,
• 46:52
  we got to be smart here. And yet my friend Lauren dad in d
• 46:58
  C. He was actually on Jeopardy once and not that he's listening, but
• 47:00
  still, I just I haven't been the biggest Jeopardy probably because I'm dumb and
• 47:07
  I don't know anything so exactly. That's probably why Eric's like, all right,
• 47:14
  but yeah, let us know what you're thinking out there, Philadelphia Sports
• 47:16
  Stable at gmail dot com. Let us know what you're thinking about our top
• 47:19
  three list and what your favorite game shows are too. We'd love to talk
• 47:22
  about it here on the show. Do you have anything else before you go
• 47:25
  to break? I couldn't even name another game show at this point, how
• 47:30
  much game show we've talked. I know. All right, We're gonna take
• 47:34
  you a quick break to pay some of the bills around here, exactly.
• 47:38
  All right, we'll be back in just a bit. All right, we
• 47:42
  are back, and uh, before I let Eric go, we're gonna we're
• 47:45
  gonna talk about the Philadelphia Sony six Ers. This could be a two minute
• 47:49
  conversation, really, Eric, you shut off? You shut off a tweet
• 47:52
  to our group chat about that highlighted Tobias Harris. This is defensive prowess.
• 48:01
  It was some of the worst dog shit I have ever seen. This Sixers
• 48:06
  team is not just flailing right now. At this point, they really just
• 48:10
  look like they've given up, and it really sucks because of the type of
• 48:14
  player Tyres Maxi is, what he's been and what he's done for this team
• 48:17
  throughout the year, and it really just seems like they are like, Okay,
• 48:22
  yeah, we don't have Joe el Embiid. We're just we stink no,
• 48:24
  right, another game on the court. It sucks watching this team having
• 48:30
  to be invested in putting them on every few nights and stuff. Eric,
• 48:36
  I am really getting tired of this team and the lack of motivation, specifically
• 48:39
  from players like Tobias Harris, who is just unplayable at this point. A
• 48:44
  few nights ago against the next two Points on twenty six minutes played, he
• 48:50
  had three rebounds. My god, I mean, the guy's unplayable here at
• 48:54
  this point. I don't know what are your thoughts here. You're the Sixers
• 48:57
  guy here on the show. It's just on watchable. Well, I don't
• 49:01
  claim this team right now, dude, I can't. I can't vouch.
• 49:07
  Like I said last week, this is process level shit six Ers. Like
• 49:10
  I mean, I sent you that clip. It was all over Twitter,
• 49:15
  but I mean it, man, it's it's it's the antithesis of this dude's
• 49:19
  career, you know, when it matters and it has to be put on
• 49:22
  the line, and he's the guy he I mean, he's never disappeared this
• 49:27
  badly. Yeah, you know, like like like the other night against the
• 49:30
  Knicks, who team they just beat, like by six points the night before
• 49:34
  or two nights before, and you have him at home. There's I mean,
• 49:38
  I know Anonobe was back for them, but man, they go twenty
• 49:43
  six minutes, two points, three rebounds and it's just not even play hard.
• 49:46
  Yeah, Like I you know, there used to be a warm spot
• 49:50
  in my heart for that guy a little bit, like when he's talented and
• 49:52
  I think he'll have a big moment in his career and it could be with
• 49:54
  this team or probably any team. So now they're slowly playing themselves out of
• 49:59
  the playoffs. I'm looking at the standings right now, they are one game
• 50:05
  out of the eight spot. Oh yeah, that's they're right there. And
• 50:08
  I mean here's the crazy thing. They're the Bulls are only four and a
• 50:14
  half games beneath them in the nine hole. The Bulls are supposed to be
• 50:16
  tanking and horrible, yes, and we're trying and we're just we're almost at
• 50:22
  their level. I mean, if again, at the playoffs started today,
• 50:25
  we couldn't beat a single team, like, not even close. And they
• 50:29
  they played the Bucks tonight, they're going to get demolished. I mean,
• 50:31
  it's just going to be hideous. And I don't know if the NBA flexes,
• 50:36
  but like I think, to me, that game would have been the
• 50:39
  first T and T game, but now it's Celtic suns. I am not
• 50:44
  sure if T and T might have flexed and been like we're not we're not
• 50:45
  shown this ship Sixers team on national TV right after being on national TV Tuesday
• 50:51
  night. It's looking horrible, but it's it's really sad, like it's I
• 50:55
  mean, at least with Maxie of a shot. Without MAXI you know,
• 50:59
  you don't, it's just it's just pathetic, and it's just I I know
• 51:04
  I'm a true Sixers fan, but I don't. I don't really care if
• 51:07
  Mobamba plays well. I don't really give a ship how much better? Uh,
• 51:14
  Paul, what the hell is the kid's name? The yeah yeah?
• 51:20
  Or just just any young guy or Paul Reid. Sorry, Like I don't,
• 51:23
  I just don't I'm at the point of six ers. Done with this
• 51:27
  team, unless you're going to rebuild again, which I don't know if I
• 51:30
  can handle another one. Jeff, I might have to leave the show.
• 51:31
  I might leave Pennsylvania, but I I just like, I'm at the point
• 51:37
  now. Yeah, it's cute the young guys are playing. I don't give
• 51:39
  a ship. I just want I just want them to get to the conference
• 51:43
  championship. And it's it's kind of over like this. Yeah, even if
• 51:46
  it be comes back, what does this team have left? You know?
• 51:51
  I mean, I just I would have loved to have seen it healed play
• 51:53
  with and being Maxie just once, but I don't think that's even gonna happen.
• 51:58
  And obviously trading Parris at the deadline was a huge mistake because he spent
• 52:05
  I sent the pregame post game splits or'm sorry pre All Star Break post All
• 52:09
  Star Break splits to my brother and we were just like, oh my god,
• 52:13
  how could you get worse? Yeah, and he's proving us wrong again,
• 52:16
  Tobias Harris, so yep, Like, yeah, much to talk about
• 52:21
  there really isn't like you. I've always kind of defended him on the show
• 52:22
  and when We've had various guests on the Table talk show or guests that I've
• 52:27
  talked to as well. I've always said, you know what, he's done
• 52:30
  some really good things over the course of his career, but like you said,
• 52:34
  in these moments where he needs to step up, and it's just not
• 52:36
  this season. I mean talk about the playoffs too. You know when Embiid
• 52:39
  has basically been injured in the second round every single year, he has never
• 52:45
  really stepped up when he needed to in those big moments. And that's the
• 52:49
  story of Tobias Harris's career. He is what he is right now. In
• 52:52
  fact, it's actually worse than what he is at this point in time.
• 52:57
  I have no idea why or how I should say how a guy as talented
• 53:01
  as him has fallen off a cliff. This fact, like it is huge
• 53:07
  in terms of him falling off a cliff as fast as he has over this
• 53:10
  past three week, three four weeks. It's it's really incredible to see.
• 53:15
  I mean, who knows if he even gets a league minimum next year.
• 53:17
  I'm not even kidding the NBA stumm Still somebody will sign him for decent money.
• 53:23
  Yeah, yeah, But the problem, the problem for this team is
• 53:28
  and I'll finish up because who the hell cares about it? Is a place
• 53:30
  team right now? Is that? Because in Bean Max here and playing now
• 53:37
  the now, the spotlight is on the rest of the team and the rest
• 53:39
  of the moves that were made at the All Star break. And I think
• 53:42
  we all agree that Buddy healed was a great move because he gave up nothing.
• 53:45
  Yep. But why do they bring campaign in? Yeah? Why did
• 53:49
  they trade away? Why did they trade away? Uh? What's the kid's
• 53:52
  name too? The Bucks? Like, like why why would they? Yeah,
• 53:55
  why would he trade pat bev and bring campaign campaigns? Sucks ass?
• 54:00
  And if embiid was here and MAXI and did the whole thing, like I
• 54:04
  would complain about it, but I'd be like, ah, whatever. He's
• 54:07
  a bench guy, like Kyle Lowry is fifty two years old. He barely
• 54:12
  plays. He looked like shit for the heat the past two years. And
• 54:15
  now that he'd spotlight on that move, like you just you took your you
• 54:19
  took your signing money for a player that was like, you know, got
• 54:22
  cut and that's what you used it on. Yeah, that's some great stories
• 54:24
  from Philly, But I don't give a shit. He sucks so now like
• 54:28
  now, now, now, as a fan, I'm bummed down. I
• 54:30
  almost so pissed, Like yeah, but because you don't have those people on
• 54:35
  the way to shadow what the crappy kind of kind of crappy move you made.
• 54:38
  Yeah, absolutely, all right, Well we're gonna head out here now.
• 54:43
  I'm gonna let you go, Eric, great discussions. Love the top
• 54:45
  three list. I gotta say, Eagles in top three list. Great discussions
• 54:50
  here. Screw the Sixers, just screw him. All right, Well,
• 54:54
  we're gonna let Eric go here. We're gonna take a break here, really
• 55:00
  quick quick break before we get to Counselman Isaiah Thomas to talk about the Philly
• 55:04
  based NIL legislation that he's getting through city Hall. And then we got some
• 55:08
  flyers talk as well. Let's take that quick break. We'll be right back.
• 55:13
  All right, we're back, and now we're going to get into a
• 55:15
  great discussion and wanted to update you on that Philly based NIL legislation that is
• 55:22
  soon going to be coming law in the city of Philadelphia that's gonna assist high
• 55:24
  school youth athletes. Let's get to the conversation now with Counselman Isaiah Thomas,
• 55:30
  joining us from the confines of Philadelphia City Hall. He is the author of
• 55:36
  the Philly NIL legislation that we're going to be getting into and how it's going
• 55:39
  to affect student athletes in the city of Philadelphia. We've got the one and
• 55:43
  only counselman, Isaiah Thomas. How you doing, Isaiah? And I'm sorry,
• 55:46
  counselman, I should say, dear lord, I'm a public official myself.
• 55:50
  How are you a counselman? I'm doing great? You said the one
• 55:53
  and only, though I think that there are some other Isaiah Thomas is out
• 55:55
  there that's gonna offer a little pushback, but other than that, I'm going
• 56:00
  no, you are my one and only, sir. That's it. I'm
• 56:02
  with it perfect, It's your right, one and only. I love it.
• 56:07
  Well, listen, counselman. You know we dove into the nil legislation
• 56:09
  that you introduced at City Hall, better known as the Philly Nil Youth Protection
• 56:14
  Act, the last time that you were on the podcast, and you've been
• 56:15
  good enough to join us a couple of times over the course of the past
• 56:19
  you know, year year and a half or so. For those listeners who
• 56:22
  may not have been around during the first couple of appearances here on the podcast,
• 56:25
  I'm hoping you can kind of give us an overview and give those folks
• 56:29
  an overview about how you've been really wanting to help youth athletes in the city
• 56:34
  as it pertains to NIL issues and initiatives with youth and in City of Philadelphia.
• 56:39
  Well, first and foremost, NIL is an acronym for name, image,
• 56:44
  and likeness, and what we are looking to do is offer some sort
• 56:46
  of protection now that NIL is an option for young people at the high school
• 56:51
  level. So recently the PIBA, which is the Pennsylvania and A Scholastic Athletic
• 56:55
  Association that's the body that governs high school athletic they allow for NIL deals to
• 57:01
  come. And as a person who not just governs in the City of Philadelphia,
• 57:06
  but coaches high school basketball and sits on the board for PIAA District twelve,
• 57:09
  specifically, we all thought about some of the problems that might present themselves
• 57:16
  outside of the good that comes with ANIL deal. So I'm going to protect
• 57:21
  some of our most vulnerable student athletes in the City of Philadelphia. We introduced
• 57:24
  an NIL Protection Act, which basically would say that we're going to create a
• 57:30
  public private partnership to ensure that anything a young person needs to be able to
• 57:36
  sign an NIL deal that is not within their own network or within their own
• 57:40
  reach. This legislation will basically say that government will work with the private sector
• 57:45
  to assure those services are available. So, whether you're talking about legal support
• 57:51
  to sign up contract, financial support on how to invest your money, support
• 57:55
  from an accountant on how much you owe in taxis all these things now available
• 58:00
  for student athletes in the city at Philadelphia who comes from a household of less
• 58:04
  than one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. It's a great initiative.
• 58:07
  And again, this is something that we've talked about, not only with you
• 58:10
  on this podcast platform, but what you know, my co hosts and I
• 58:14
  have talked about as well, the fact that you know, what, if
• 58:17
  there are sports associations, you know, whether it is on the college level
• 58:22
  or even on the local level, that are making money off of student athletes
• 58:27
  in some way, shape or form, student athletes should be compensated in some
• 58:30
  way. So I kind of wanted to dive into this a little bit further
• 58:34
  with you because the legislation has now passed and I was so excited to hear
• 58:39
  that news of getting the press release about it was it was really fantastic to
• 58:45
  read everything. The city is going to be partnering with the Temple University School
• 58:47
  of Law to navigate nil deals for high school athletes by offering like you were
• 58:53
  talking about just now, free legal and financial advice and other tax of advice
• 59:00
  as well. And my understanding is that first Mayor Parker she needs to sign
• 59:06
  this bill into law, because I know that Mayor Kenny vetoed it initially.
• 59:12
  So first do you know if the mayor is going to be signing this into
• 59:15
  law? And also even when it actually does become law, and it may
• 59:20
  be already and I may just not realize it, how do you foresee the
• 59:22
  outreach efforts really taking shape to let student athletes know that they can get assistance
• 59:29
  if they really need it. That's a great question. Let's start with the
• 59:31
  outleach part first. So the public private partnership that we have set up is
• 59:37
  with Temple University, which is one of the biggest universities in the city of
• 59:42
  Philadelphia, and they've agreed to provide the support systems that the bill essentially says
• 59:47
  will be offered. So we are talking about free legal support, accounting information
• 59:52
  on taxes, as well as financial support. Temple is going to be doing
• 59:55
  all that. Unfortunately, the previous mayor, I'm not sure how they dropped
• 1:00:00
  the ball, but their concern around the legislation was that they didn't think the
• 1:00:06
  city should be, you know, fiscally responsible for providing these services, and
• 1:00:09
  how some way they missed the fact that this was going to be a public
• 1:00:12
  private partnership and it wouldn't cost any money. We're just basically guaranteeing that the
• 1:00:15
  services are there. So because this doesn't cost the city any money, and
• 1:00:20
  because it's not illegal to provide this support for young people, we already have
• 1:00:24
  a hotline set up in collaboration with Temple University where young people could call and
• 1:00:30
  get these services. Currently, once the mayor signs it into law, which
• 1:00:34
  were optimistic will happen before the end of the month. That basically just means
• 1:00:37
  that we're legally responsible to assure that the services continue. But as of right
• 1:00:43
  now, we've already talked to athletic directors and administrators across the city of Philadelphia.
• 1:00:47
  They all know that the NIL hotline exists in collaboration with typical University and
• 1:00:52
  we're actively planning at NIL convention in Philadelphia, but we're going to invite student
• 1:00:57
  athletes to meet local businesses to try to allow for more partnerships between student athletes
• 1:01:02
  and businesses to be able to produce more NIL deals. So we're going to
• 1:01:06
  actively be advocating for resources and support systems, but we also want to help
• 1:01:10
  facilitate some collaborations between student athletes and businesses so we can see some amazing partnerships.
• 1:01:17
  Do we think that Mayor Parker is going to sign this into law at
• 1:01:20
  this point? We're very optimistic that. All right, very good, very
• 1:01:25
  good. Well, you know, when you've been gracious enough counselmen to join
• 1:01:30
  us here, I always like to ask if there's anything in the pipeline in
• 1:01:34
  terms of youth recreation within the City of Philadelphia or or you know, based
• 1:01:39
  on your initiatives that you may be potentially unveiling in the near future. We
• 1:01:45
  know you're so involved in youth athletics within the City of Philadelphia with various camps
• 1:01:50
  that you run, So if there's anything in the pipeline, feel free to
• 1:01:53
  let folks know. I mean, we're going to be going into budget negotiations
• 1:01:58
  after the mayor gives a budget to drive. Yes, we'll be discussing other
• 1:02:01
  projects we've had in the past, hopefully the city looking to support Philly Legendary
• 1:02:07
  Hoops Month and some of the Grande dollars we've given to organizations to disperse the
• 1:02:10
  out of school time based initiatives. There's an advocacy effort at Harrisburg right now
• 1:02:15
  to put more money into baseball to get more inner city kids playing baseball specifically,
• 1:02:21
  and of course, like I said earlier, we're definitely going to have
• 1:02:22
  an NIL convention which is going to be happening hopefully in the month of June,
• 1:02:28
  where we'll be able to you know, look at good opportunities for student
• 1:02:32
  athletes going into the summer and preparing for the school year of twenty twenty four
• 1:02:37
  to twenty twenty five. Awesome. And just because we have another couple of
• 1:02:40
  minutes here available to as counselman, I would imagine you're excited that Saquon Barkley
• 1:02:45
  is going to be coming to the Philadelphia Eagles this coming season and over the
• 1:02:50
  course of the next three years with the deal that he signed. I know
• 1:02:52
  you're a huge Eagles fan, buddy. Yeah, I'm excited about sa Quon.
• 1:02:55
  Hopefully we get it done with how sign Reddick and we're able to keep
• 1:03:00
  him because we also signed another quality defensive end just to even yeah, even
• 1:03:07
  stronger. So I'm excited for what's gonna happen next year as it relates to
• 1:03:13
  the Eagles, but also having lost hoping the Sixers, I'm hoping that and
• 1:03:15
  b comes back and puts us in a position where we can compete because the
• 1:03:21
  East is just so weak that normally under these circumstances you would tell a guy
• 1:03:24
  to wrap it up, but if he wraps it up, we thought we
• 1:03:27
  had an opportunity to chase the championship when right now, you know, outside
• 1:03:30
  of Boston, there's no clear you know, front runner, not just in
• 1:03:35
  the East, but really in the entire NBA. So I'm very optimistic about
• 1:03:37
  Sister Sixers Sports. As long as we're not talking about the new stadium.
• 1:03:42
  Yes, you know that's a little controversial, absolutely say that, because it's
• 1:03:46
  multiple new stadium proposals now, you know, So as long as we can
• 1:03:51
  keep it on the field or in the court, it's all good. Absolutely.
• 1:03:53
  We've been talking about the potential new arena here on this podcast platform.
• 1:03:58
  Not right now, that's perhaps for another time. But again, folks,
• 1:04:01
  council Member Isaiah Thomas counselman for of course the City of Philadelphia and he is
• 1:04:10
  an at large seat. Follow him on Twitter if you're not already. He's
• 1:04:13
  a great great follow about updating folks about what's going on in the city of
• 1:04:16
  Philadelphia at CM Thomas PHL counselman. It was great to talk to you.
• 1:04:21
  Thanks so much for the update on the NIL and congratulations with it and let's
• 1:04:27
  keep moving forward. My friend, he'll be I hope I can talk to
• 1:04:29
  you at some point down the road. Oh, thanks for having me again.
• 1:04:31
  I would love to talk some point down the road. I know I'm
• 1:04:33
  gonna have to come on and talk about the next phase of sports and how
• 1:04:38
  it's impacted the city, whether that six Ers Stadium or Comcast Stadium or whatever
• 1:04:43
  project it may be. So thank you, appreciate you so great talking to
• 1:04:46
  Councilman Isaiah Thomas. And yeah, we're gonna have to talk about the new
• 1:04:53
  arena proposal, you know in the Chinatown area. You know, we've been
• 1:04:57
  talking about that here on the PSD podcast show as of late we're certainly gonna
• 1:05:01
  talk to the councilman at some point about that. However, we are gonna
• 1:05:04
  take a quick break here to pay some bills, and when we get back,
• 1:05:08
  it's what we are throwing down on the table. We got a lot
• 1:05:11
  of Flyers talk coming your way, as there are a lot of challenges that
• 1:05:15
  have been facing this team. For sure, Let's take that break. We'll
• 1:05:17
  be right back. All right, we are back. We have to get
• 1:05:23
  into some Philadelphia Flyers talk right now because this team is facing some challenges and
• 1:05:29
  boy, John Tortorella early, he really showed those officials this past week,
• 1:05:33
  didn't he. Dear lord, we're gonna get into that and what's been happening
• 1:05:38
  with this team. It's what we're throwing down on the table and now on
• 1:05:42
  the table. You can find him on Twitter slash x at Sportsology. It
• 1:05:48
  is great to have him on the show. Be wanting to have him on
• 1:05:51
  for a while because I've been listening to him and his co host is co
• 1:05:56
  host we've had on the show a number of times. Again coming to us
• 1:06:00
  from the Locked On Flyers podcast and also off the Post radio as well.
• 1:06:05
  We've got mister Russ Cohen Russ, buddy, how you doing man, Thanks
• 1:06:09
  for joining us this week. Good Jeff, Thanks thanks for having me on.
• 1:06:13
  You got it, man, It's great to have you on to talk
• 1:06:15
  about this Flyers team, because, like it's just up and down at this
• 1:06:17
  point. There's a lot of excitement, there's a lot of just back and
• 1:06:21
  forth within Flyers Nation about where folks want this team to go, what they
• 1:06:26
  want them to do. But to get our discussion started here, Russ,
• 1:06:30
  I really I wanted to start off by talking about something that I don't think
• 1:06:32
  has happened ever ever to a Flyers coach in the history. I think of
• 1:06:38
  this franchise where not only does the coach get tossed from a game, get
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  suspended from coaching for a couple of games, and also having to pay a
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  fifty thousand dollars fine. So I don't know, maybe I'm biased here,
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  but all of this seemed a little bit excessive in my opinion in terms of
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  what the NHL did to John Tortorella. I don't know, Yeah, probably
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  bias here. Maybe you have a different way of thinking about this. What
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  were your thoughts on this entire situation that happened this past week. Yeah,
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  I mean, I thought it was a bad call, and I thought,
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  you know, John was trying to get his point across, and yeah,
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  you know was a Wes McAuley. He didn't want to come over and talk
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  about it. He should, but it's his prerogative, right and yep,
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  and I think it got to a point where Towards probably shouldn't have let the
• 1:07:27
  frustration boil over because he wouldn't leave the bench, And it's like, you
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  know, that's where you know, only you can only let so much time
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  go by, but if you're showing an unwillingness to leave the bench, like
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  he could have hit him with another ten minute if he wanted to. Besides
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  what they did, so you know, I think it was a half and
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  half. I think they were both partially wrong about it. I think it's
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  a there there's no right or wrong answer. I don't think necessarily when it
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  comes to this particular situation. But it was just so bizarre, and again
• 1:08:00
  I thought it was a bit over excessive. So all right, well,
• 1:08:03
  let's get into what we've been seeing from this team and especially from the front
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  office as well, because as we all know, trade deadline was last Friday,
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  and I really wanted to pick your brain here, Russ, and get
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  your thoughts as it pertains to what the Flyers did at the trade deadline last
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  week. One acquiring defenseman Eric Johnson from Buffalo for a fourth round pick this
• 1:08:26
  year. They traded Sean Walker to Colorado for a conditional first round pick in
• 1:08:29
  twenty twenty five. And they also traded away Wade Allison. So I think
• 1:08:34
  both of those, and they I should say that they received Dennis Greana,
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  Thank you very much. I script names constantly here on this show. It
• 1:08:44
  sucks talking Flyers sometimes with the names. I mess up anyway, But look,
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  I personally think both of those. I think Wade and Dennis they kind
• 1:08:53
  of needed a little bit of a change of scenery. That's how I particularly
• 1:08:56
  saw that trade. I know you and your co host Rachel Donner again at
• 1:09:00
  the Lockdown Flyers podcast, discussed the details of what the Flyers did this past
• 1:09:04
  week. After analyzing these moves, Russ, after they've kind of digested a
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  little bit here within you know, within our fandom here, you know,
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  what what what did you like and what did you dislike about these moves?
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  Well, I mean they got good value for Walker. That was good value.
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  So can't complain about that. I disliked getting gory aanoff because I understand
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  that, and I think Keith Jones drives some of this that he wants these
• 1:09:32
  bigger, faster guys. That's great, but they also have to be able
• 1:09:36
  to finish. Yeah, and Corianov hasn't been able to finish since the bubble,
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  and that's more than a few years. And I don't know if you
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  saw the last game, but him on the power play, he got off
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  one good shot, but he was given the puck away more than he was
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  able to take shots. Yeah, game with the Sharks, correct, Yes,
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  yes, So I just I don't think it was a good move.
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  Now. I understand they were anxious to move Wade Allison because he didn't fit
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  anymore. Fine, but I just felt like Goryana wasn't the right guy to
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  get. He might have been the right guy to get two years ago,
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  but now that he's gone past that, you know he's he's a risk to
• 1:10:14
  go to the KHL right after this year anyhow, like if it doesn't work
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  out, and so like, Okay, I mean the fact that he is
• 1:10:20
  getting this look worries me because it does take away from what other guys could
• 1:10:27
  get you know, Gollilsel like he you know, he's had some really good
• 1:10:30
  games. When he's actually got nice time, he gets sent right back down
• 1:10:33
  to the miners. Now, I would rather have lick Sell in the lineup
• 1:10:38
  than Goriana. That's me now. But I understand that Atkinson and Delourier are
• 1:10:43
  getting sat because they're not playing well. Fine, and that wouldn't last forever.
• 1:10:46
  Although that cainson. You just don't know where he's at at this moment,
• 1:10:50
  like he's just hit a wall. But all that said, it was
• 1:10:57
  good what they got for Walker. You always want to get a first.
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  That's fine. They I don't want to hear. And I do think it's
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  a bit of rhetoric when we're not even three months away from this draft.
• 1:11:12
  Yes, and people tell me that next draft is better, Like I have
• 1:11:15
  a lot of prospects on my list for next draft, but I haven't had
• 1:11:18
  a chance to analyze it. I haven't looked at the number. Like I
• 1:11:21
  know, there's always this feeling, but I always feel like fans should just
• 1:11:26
  ignore that because that's something that teams like to push. And then it's like
• 1:11:30
  whoa, it just so happens to line up with the extra first round picks
• 1:11:33
  they have, right, So I leave that alone, don't. I don't
• 1:11:39
  count that at all. But you know, the Eric Johnson thing also is
• 1:11:44
  taking away time from some younger players. Now, he played okay against the
• 1:11:50
  Sharks, he didn't play great in this first game. It was like a
• 1:11:53
  mixed bag. You know, you have to sort of use him in a
• 1:11:57
  certain way. He's going to be a bottom pairing guy whatever. But we
• 1:12:00
  looked at some of the other young guys, now Ronnie Adder if because you
• 1:12:05
  know, at some point maybe it's not going to happen, but we would
• 1:12:09
  expect Drysdale how to come back, and he does. Adad's probably the guy
• 1:12:14
  out now, maybe he'd sit Stall over Adder, but I don't know about
• 1:12:16
  that. And I don't know why Adder can't get the next eighteen seventeen games
• 1:12:21
  in that Like, I just don't know why, because I feel like he
• 1:12:27
  should simply because yeah, you have a chance to make the playoffs. But
• 1:12:31
  he has a chance to gain that experience too, and he's not going to
• 1:12:34
  gain it from the bench. He's not going to gain it from Lehigh Valley,
• 1:12:38
  and so he should be a big part of your future. But they
• 1:12:42
  don't feel like the future is now for him because the coach said, so,
• 1:12:45
  John has a lot of say so more than most coaches. You know,
• 1:12:49
  that could be a little bit of a hindrance. So you know,
• 1:12:54
  I look at it that way. I think there's a little bit of that
• 1:12:57
  going on now. Adam Jinning, I don't think he's gotten a fair shot.
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  I mean he I thought he played reasonably well in his first game.
• 1:13:04
  He had a nice hit. Yeah, maybe he looked a little slow to
• 1:13:09
  the puck, but I also think some guys takes a game or two to
• 1:13:13
  kind of get that speed going. Yeah, And I think I think it
• 1:13:15
  was just him thinking about it, not because you know he's actually slow,
• 1:13:19
  because if you watch him in Lehigh's really good defenseman. Now, sometimes guys
• 1:13:24
  can't translate, but I believe he can, and I believe you know,
• 1:13:28
  the other thing part of this whole complicated situation was he gave Seler what three
• 1:13:34
  years Yep, I think Addard within the next year would be Nick Steeler.
• 1:13:42
  But the coach likes him, right, So the coach made sure that he's
• 1:13:45
  got two years, no no move, and John's contract runs out in two
• 1:13:50
  years. Like I don't know, if that, I don't think that's a
• 1:13:54
  coincident. Yeah, I think that's Yeah, it's an interesting point said,
• 1:13:57
  that is a very very interesting point. I mean, I think when it
• 1:14:00
  comes to like what we're seeing at the defenseman position here with this Flyers team,
• 1:14:03
  I mean, with the injuries to Jamie Drysdale, Nick Sealer, Rasmus
• 1:14:06
  ristolane In, they're just depleted on the back end heading down this this stretch
• 1:14:14
  and part last part of the season here, you know, And just I
• 1:14:18
  wonder if it was a knee jerk reaction to I don't want to say knee
• 1:14:23
  jerk reaction but over maybe overthinking the Eric Johnson acquisition from Buffalo. But I
• 1:14:29
  guess that kind of gets into the next topic here, Russ, which is
• 1:14:31
  it like it seems like Danny Briere is still looking at, you know,
• 1:14:35
  culture building as this season has continued on here. I mean, he's made
• 1:14:40
  these moves that we were just discussing, but they weren't the most shrewd moves
• 1:14:45
  in the entire world. I think we can all agree with that. You
• 1:14:47
  know, they weren't quote high caliber type of moves. Do you see the
• 1:14:51
  front office kind of taking proactive steps in terms of culture building, where you
• 1:14:57
  would like to see this team moving in the future. Is that what you're
• 1:15:00
  seeing here as well? Well? Okay, so I think the culture's built.
• 1:15:03
  Whatever they did was good. You know again, culture building is nice
• 1:15:10
  to kind of get you up and running. Do we think that when John
• 1:15:14
  Tworturella left Columbus that that culture stayed No? True, right, So sometimes
• 1:15:21
  it's a temporary thing, right, But it's good to get everything going the
• 1:15:26
  right way, everybody pulling on the same rope, all those cliches. That's
• 1:15:29
  good. So I think that was a big positive. I don't think it
• 1:15:31
  needed to continue this year, Like I don't think you needed Eric Johnson as
• 1:15:35
  an example. So okay, they culture is built. I do think Danny
• 1:15:42
  Brierre is looking to the future, but I also think he's got these other
• 1:15:45
  voices in his ear saying what about what I want? What about what we
• 1:15:50
  this this team needs? What about the guys here? And here's how I
• 1:15:56
  always handle this And might seem cutthroatsh but I understand that John has great respect
• 1:16:05
  to the guys on the bench and guys like delaoureer whatever. But these aren't
• 1:16:10
  future flyers. If you're gonna be really good in three years. You're gonna
• 1:16:13
  forget about Nick de Laurier. You're gonna forget about a lot of these guys.
• 1:16:17
  Yes, Nick Steeler won't be a second pairing defense, but on a
• 1:16:21
  good team, he's not even close to that, right So you have to
• 1:16:26
  look at that and say that's the way you really should be operating. Now.
• 1:16:31
  I understand they could still use young players and make a push for the
• 1:16:36
  playoffs. I don't see why they can't do that, right there is there
• 1:16:40
  is an obvious way to do that, and I think they have good enough
• 1:16:44
  young players that it's okay. Like again, Zamula's kind of been like shoehorned
• 1:16:48
  in there because he can't send him down or someone's gonna claim them. He's
• 1:16:53
  had a pretty good year, but a lot of times he's been that extra
• 1:16:56
  extra guy. For the eleven seven, we're gonna get mostly Cower play.
• 1:17:00
  We're not going to use him a lot five and five except the Sharks game
• 1:17:01
  because right exactly, I don't know if Zamula is a future piece for them.
• 1:17:09
  I don't know. I don't feel like they have. The coach has
• 1:17:12
  a lot of affinity for him, right So, based on that based on
• 1:17:16
  not saying much about Addert even though you know he just said he when he
• 1:17:20
  say something like, oh he was he was good. Yeah, that's great.
• 1:17:24
  Like this is there's a young guy that's been waiting all year right to
• 1:17:28
  get a shot. He can use a little bit more than that. Exactly,
• 1:17:31
  exactly. Well that it's a great segue, Russ into the final question
• 1:17:36
  and topic I was really going to ask you because there are certain players on
• 1:17:40
  this team I'm seeing here that I just want to see more of during the
• 1:17:43
  season. You mentioned Ronnie Adder, you mentioned Zamola as well. You know,
• 1:17:46
  they haven't gotten the ice time that I would like to see as a
• 1:17:50
  Flyers fan here, and you know, I want to see what they have
• 1:17:54
  as it proteins to again the future of this team as we're moving down this
• 1:17:59
  pathway this rebuild. So, I mean, aside maybe from Addard and Samola
• 1:18:02
  who you were just talking about, are there certain players you want to see
• 1:18:05
  more of as this team and organization are still in this rebuild mode here.
• 1:18:10
  Yeah, I don't know if there. I mean lix Sel would be the
• 1:18:13
  other one. Yeah, because he's very very close and I think he can
• 1:18:15
  play an eh O minutes but he's just not going to get the chance.
• 1:18:19
  So Lixel is really that other one. And Jinny Yeah, I mean again,
• 1:18:24
  I think he really should be getting the chance here instead of like Mark
• 1:18:28
  Stall. If you wanted to swap off Stall and Johnson every other game,
• 1:18:32
  neither of them is going to complain. But then that would get Jenning in
• 1:18:35
  the lineup more. And I would like to see that because I think they
• 1:18:39
  would find out, especially with Nick Sealer not not there, that he can
• 1:18:42
  be a supreme shop walker. He is, but they're not putting them in
• 1:18:45
  that kind of role, right, So that's part of this whole equation that's
• 1:18:50
  a little bit frustrating because there's a gap. There's going to be a gap
• 1:18:56
  between who's left from the Flyers blue line now and who's going to be there
• 1:19:01
  when Oliver Bank gets there. Right, Well, you just interviewed, by
• 1:19:04
  the way, if you go to sportsolga dot com, I got an exclusive
• 1:19:06
  with him, or listen to the Lockdown show, we have the audio from
• 1:19:10
  that great kid. But there's a gap there. These other defensemen that we're
• 1:19:15
  talking about all should be filling the gap. Now. I don't mind filling
• 1:19:20
  it with some veterans. So you could teach the young guys. That's fine,
• 1:19:24
  but this is right now where the strength of your organization is because honestly,
• 1:19:28
  on forward, if I don't mention Licel Forrester is the only one that
• 1:19:31
  has developed. Frost is beyond being a prospect. I think he's doing great.
• 1:19:38
  I don't think the coach feels the same way. Even though he's their
• 1:19:40
  best player, power play guy. There's this weird dynamic that makes you think
• 1:19:44
  that Frost's time there might still be limited, even though he's really starting to
• 1:19:48
  have a nice season again after all the muck that was going on earlier,
• 1:19:54
  Noah Cates has regressed. Other than playing defense. There's no offense there.
• 1:19:58
  Yeah, there a there's zero offense there. So that's a little bit of
• 1:20:02
  a worry that doesn't really get talked about. And you know, the rest
• 1:20:05
  really are in prospects. I mean, Tippitt has twenty three goals. That's
• 1:20:10
  great. Tipp Of at times is lost in the defensive zone, but that
• 1:20:15
  doesn't really get focused on too much because he's one of the top goal guys.
• 1:20:18
  But again he misses the net and awful lot too. If he refined
• 1:20:23
  his game a little more, he could be a thirty thirty five goal scorer.
• 1:20:25
  But if he doesn't, he's going to be this twenty seven to twenty
• 1:20:29
  eight goal scorer that still is tantalizing because of the speed and size, but
• 1:20:34
  hasn't fully put the game together. He's the other one that he's already out
• 1:20:39
  of the prospect range. And now what you see is close to what you
• 1:20:44
  get. I think there's a little bit of a refinement that can go on
• 1:20:46
  there, but it hasn't in the two years that he's been there. So
• 1:20:50
  you know, again, you would like to see him get more than fifty
• 1:20:54
  points, right, but I don't know if that's going to happen. Right.
• 1:20:57
  It's really interesting and we're going to keep following what the Philadelphia Flyers are
• 1:21:00
  doing here at the PSD podcast show. And again, folks, Russ Cohen
• 1:21:04
  from the Lockdown Flyers podcast. I listen on Apple Podcasts. You should listen
• 1:21:09
  to them on whatever podcast platform you were on as well. Off the Post
• 1:21:13
  radio as well, and head on over to sportsology dot com lots of great
• 1:21:17
  content and again at Sportsology on Twitter slash x. Give Russ a follow there.
• 1:21:23
  He is a great, great follow Russ Man. I appreciate you taking
• 1:21:26
  the time to join us here this week for some flyers talk. I'd love
• 1:21:29
  to have you back on down the road, my friend. Yeah, sure,
• 1:21:30
  I've you down closer to the draft. I do have a draft site,
• 1:21:34
  NHL draft budd dot com. There's some good flyers content there as well.
• 1:21:38
  Nice so check it out. I've put my list there now and so
• 1:21:42
  yeah, I'll come on anytime.