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Scott Mitchell reacts to Kyle Whittingham becoming the Michigan head coach, Holes that need filling on Morgan Scalley's staff + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He joins us.
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  Speaker 3: Now, the host of Down and Dirty was talking about
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  Speaker 3: some of the same things we've been discussing for the
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  Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell, welcome. How are you. I'm doing great, Sean,
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  Speaker 1: how are you? I'm doing all right?
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  Speaker 3: Anyone called you about potential quarterback coach offensive coordinator position
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  Speaker 3: that might be opening at the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't got a call from the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do that to us, Scott, Well, we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So let me ask you this, has
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  Speaker 3: anyone of import called you about that?
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  Speaker 1: I will just I probably should just no comment.
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  Speaker 3: All right, no comment, all right, Okay, we'll move on
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  Speaker 3: to the next thing. Let me ask you this, Scott. So, look,
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  Speaker 3: there's there's an assumption now and there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: reports that Jason Beck is expected to go to Michigan,
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  Speaker 3: that Jim Harding is expected to go to Michigan, that
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  Speaker 3: Lewis Powell is potentially gonna go to Michigan. Uh, that
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  Speaker 3: Jay Hill from BYU is going to go to Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing officially announced as of yet. But what is the
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  Speaker 3: right stance for Morgan scally to take now that this
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  Speaker 3: is his team, his program, when it's that kind of
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  Speaker 3: a thing, when you're potentially losing guys you've worked with
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  Speaker 3: for a while to a school that is higher on
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  Speaker 3: the totem pole, that is a more i guess, financially
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  Speaker 3: flush institution that is more prestigious from a coaching perspective.
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  Speaker 3: Should Morgan scally try to fight battle with his own
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  Speaker 3: bosses to get raises for assistance to try to keep
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  Speaker 3: any of the names that I mentioned, or anyone who's
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  Speaker 3: considering leaving.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's a really interesting question, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it it has a lot of kind of layers to it.
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  Speaker 1: And the first layer is when Kyle Whittingham gets offered
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  Speaker 1: a job at Michigan, like, you have to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I just you have to do that, which he did.
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  Speaker 1: That was the most no brainer thing. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it's very similar with a lot of these coaches, provided
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  Speaker 1: that it's like a move forward for them. But to
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  Speaker 1: go coach at Michigan, come on, Like, I don't any
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  Speaker 1: coach that's ever coached that would be an absolute dream job.
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  Speaker 1: The other layer to this is, you know, the names
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  Speaker 1: you've mentioned have a long history with Kyle Whittingham, and
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham is very loyal to his coaches, and his
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  Speaker 1: coaches are very loyal to him, and they're you know,
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  Speaker 1: the coaching world is not. You want to get people
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  Speaker 1: that trust you, that are going to be in the
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  Speaker 1: in the in the fox toll with you when when
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  Speaker 1: things go bad and when bullets start flying, and you
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  Speaker 1: want to know how people are going to react under
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  Speaker 1: pressure situations. You don't want to get into those situations
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  Speaker 1: and find out. Boy, I mean, I'm with the wrong people.
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  Speaker 1: And and and so I think all of those people, uh,
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  Speaker 1: certainly you know fit that Bill. Now. I think with
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  Speaker 1: a Jim Harding issue, you know, could he become the
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at Utah, which I've heard some rumors about,
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  Speaker 1: then that might be a better situation potentially for him
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  Speaker 1: to get into. Uh. The other side of it is
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  Speaker 1: on the Morgan side. And Morgan's known for some time
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  Speaker 1: that he's going to be the coach. And I guarantee
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  Speaker 1: you Morgan hasn't been sitting around going ah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just inherit all of Kyle's guys and
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think he thought that. And maybe he
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  Speaker 1: has relationships with some of those guys, maybe he doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. But those guys were hired, all of
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  Speaker 1: them by Kyle Whittingham. And I think there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a sense of allegiance, and I think it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a real easy sense of allegiance because of Michigan
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  Speaker 1: and probably the significant you know, Rais and pay But
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  Speaker 1: I don't you know, Morgan's a very savvy guy. He's
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  Speaker 1: a smart guy. He's he's a great coach. He's he
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  Speaker 1: he wants to put his stamp on this, his personality
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  Speaker 1: and what he believes Utah football will be. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure that he has relationships. I'm sure he's had conversations
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  Speaker 1: with people. I'm sure he probably has contingency plans. You know,
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  Speaker 1: in the world of coaching, you know, Kyle Whittingham didn't
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  Speaker 1: know Jason Beck right, and there was some intermediary which
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  Speaker 1: was probably an agent or or or they probably have
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  Speaker 1: some kind of service or an ability to look at
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  Speaker 1: all the potential candidates or the pool of candidate. You know,
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  Speaker 1: these coaches have coaches conventions, that have a coaches association.
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  Speaker 1: So and Kyle was in dire straits last year when
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  Speaker 1: when you know, at the end of the year, when
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  Speaker 1: he when he fired Andy Ludwig and or Andy stepped
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  Speaker 1: down or whatever. You want to call it and and uh,
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  Speaker 1: and he really kind of lucked into Jason Beck, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was it was just kind of the right thing.
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  Speaker 1: And Jason did a remarkable job. And Kyle's now developed
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  Speaker 1: a trust there and and is excited about how Jason coaches,
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  Speaker 1: but he didn't know it before. And Morgan kind of
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  Speaker 1: has that same opportunity. I mean, Kyle went through a
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  Speaker 1: lot of offensive coordinators at Utah, and and really he
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  Speaker 1: went through defensive coordinators. I mean he had John Pace,
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  Speaker 1: you had Gary Anderson, you had Kilane So so the
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  Speaker 1: coaching moving around side of this, it's probably an exciting
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  Speaker 1: thing for Morgan to figure out, you know, who he's
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  Speaker 1: going to have there and and and he's going to
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  Speaker 1: get people that are hungry and the right fit for
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  Speaker 1: what he's doing. And he may make some mistakes along
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  Speaker 1: the way, but I think Morgan wants to make it his.
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  Speaker 1: And I really wouldn't get too caught up in who
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  Speaker 1: should stay and who shouldn't stay and is it right
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  Speaker 1: is it wrong? Kind of thing. Coaches move around, Coaches
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  Speaker 1: change jobs, and no one in a million years, including
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham, would have thought he would be the head
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  Speaker 1: coach at Michigan even when he stepped down at Utah
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  Speaker 1: in a million years, he didn't think that, and then
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  Speaker 1: it came to happen. So things change, Things happen, And
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  Speaker 1: that's that's being a coach.
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  Speaker 3: Which staff is more damaged by these potential departures, the
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  Speaker 3: BYU staff losing Jay Hill or the Utah staff losing
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  Speaker 3: Jason Beck.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's hard, you know, with how it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of Jay Hill did something at BYU like there
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  Speaker 1: was his his influence, his his stabilizing that defense, did
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  Speaker 1: a tremendous job. Uh and that and and he's he's
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  Speaker 1: certainly a coach that has really you know, when you
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  Speaker 1: when you talk about done so much more with so
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  Speaker 1: so much less. You know what what he did at
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  Speaker 1: Weaver State and what was truly remarkable, and then and
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  Speaker 1: then really what he's done at b YU is is
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  Speaker 1: outstanding as well. I think that's a hard thing to replace.
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  Speaker 1: But at Utah you've got you know, you have this,
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  Speaker 1: you have this offense. And I really loved what Jason
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  Speaker 1: Beck did. I loved his mindset, his philosophy was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what my offense is gonna be. My
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  Speaker 1: offense is going to evolve. It's gonna it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: whatever I have talent wherever we can find ways for production.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought he did a beautiful job with that
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  Speaker 1: this last year and identifying, you know, these players and
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  Speaker 1: and Ryan Davis and JJ Buchanan and uh Daniel Bray
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  Speaker 1: and Bird Fickland, you know, and really putting Devon in
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  Speaker 1: a really good place. When he was healthy, he was
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  Speaker 1: really good and way Sean Parkers. So there's you know,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think they knew that at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the year. And I think it's a system that
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  Speaker 1: works well at Utah and to kind of get that
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  Speaker 1: in place and then to have that go away in
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  Speaker 1: a year, who that's that's a lot scarier to me,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, what does devn Dan pure look like?
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  Speaker 1: And maybe he's not even here. Maybe you bring in
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  Speaker 1: a new coordinator and it's a whole new situation and
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  Speaker 1: maybe Bird Fickland's the guy. And I don't think that's
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  Speaker 1: a bad thing, but I think it's got to be
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  Speaker 1: a system that certainly fits around what he can do.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of tough. I don't know that one is.
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  Speaker 1: Both of those losses I think will be hard to
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  Speaker 1: replace for both of those schools. It's probably a little
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  Speaker 1: easier at BYU, just because Colone as a defensive minded coach.
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  Speaker 1: You know, maybe Gary Stevens or not Gary Stevens, Gary
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  Speaker 1: and Do I say Gary Stevens, Gary Anderson steps in
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  Speaker 1: and and you know he's he's a you know, he
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  Speaker 1: could be a good short term replacement. He's down there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a lot of avenues there. But
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  Speaker 1: to find a good offensive coordinator who I think that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a tough one to to find for
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  Speaker 1: Morgan and maybe one of those first challenges for him
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  Speaker 1: to see how he he handles being a new head coach.
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  Speaker 3: Look, we're all I think in agreement that Morgan is
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  Speaker 3: going to do a good job here. I expect there
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  Speaker 3: to be some growing pains because when you're a first
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  Speaker 3: time head coach, there's just some things that you didn't
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  Speaker 3: realize we're going to be part of the job. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: you don't know what you don't know? I think is
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  Speaker 3: the most common phrase there. What is you think the
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  Speaker 3: biggest adjustment for Morgan? Because he's been preparing himself mentally
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  Speaker 3: for this players on the team will tell you the
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Wootingham has been letting Morgan like conduct meetings kind
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  Speaker 3: of as a head coach, not just in waiting, but
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  Speaker 3: like in practice. So what do you think is going
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  Speaker 3: to be the biggest adjustment for Morgan?
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  Speaker 1: Is he takes over? Uh? Boy? Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: you know what you talk about growing pains with Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: and I just want to say, you know, he's been
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  Speaker 1: a coach. He's been a coach for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: and he's been around a really good coach and and
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  Speaker 1: and he's learned a lot. And as you've said, he's
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  Speaker 1: been given experiences, and so I think he's I think
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  Speaker 1: he's really prepared himself. Well, you look at Kenny Dillingham.
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  Speaker 1: He was never a head coach. He was actually quite young,
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  Speaker 1: and he goes into Arizona State a former alum and
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  Speaker 1: in his first year. You know, so there's been precedent
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  Speaker 1: that coaches can come in and maybe not have growing pains,
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  Speaker 1: or or maybe they're growing pains are minimal. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I really think I think the thing that that's probably
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  Speaker 1: the biggest challenge for Morgan though, is and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say maintaining the culture, but I think it's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's identifying his culture and who he is, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he can bekt Whittingham, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a huge mistake. And I think he's really got
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  Speaker 1: to say, you know, this is who I am. And
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  Speaker 1: I think Kilanie kind of struggled with that early on
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  Speaker 1: and tried to be maybe Leavell you know, instead of
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  Speaker 1: instead of ham Kilani. And so when Kilani started dancing
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  Speaker 1: around and started acting goofy and and kind of got
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  Speaker 1: to be this lovable, fun loving person that he is
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  Speaker 1: and that's his personality. When that really came through, and
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  Speaker 1: that really shown through, it really it really connected with people.
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  Speaker 1: And so who is Morgan Scaley, Who's his culture? What
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  Speaker 1: is what is his program? And I think there's some
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  Speaker 1: similarities you know, about family and about certain you know,
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  Speaker 1: fundamental things, but it's got to take on Morgan Scally
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  Speaker 1: the person, the authentic person. And I think it's I
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  Speaker 1: think it's the biggest challenge when you're because you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to do everything right, you know. It's just like you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to say things right and trying to act
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  Speaker 1: right and trying you know, because it's all new to you,
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  Speaker 1: and you just got to be yourself you know, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that's always the hardest thing for people.
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  Speaker 3: You you know, these guys, these coaches on the staff,
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  Speaker 3: and they're trying to prepare the team for a Vegas
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  Speaker 3: Bowl while dealing with the rest of this backdrop, while
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  Speaker 3: dealing with and approaching transfer portal window, while dealing with
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  Speaker 3: potentially negotiations on who's going to Michigan, who's staying, who's
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  Speaker 3: headed elsewhere, because you never know what that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: What's it like for this team and this coaching staff
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  Speaker 3: to try to prepare for a Nebraska team that is very,
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  Speaker 3: very beatable by a way, but to do it with
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  Speaker 3: all of this distraction.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably the nice, uh maybe reprieve from
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  Speaker 1: all of this, because these coaches, these players are not
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  Speaker 1: sitting idly by. They're they're they're in constant communication. When
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  Speaker 1: when they get you know, when the transfer portal opens,
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  Speaker 1: you're just gonna see it like a lot of transactions
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  Speaker 1: happen quickly, like it's because they've already been done. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like the trade day or the sit
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  Speaker 1: or the or the free agentcy day in the NBA
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  Speaker 1: or what you know, and and you're like, wait, you
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  Speaker 1: can talk to anyone before now and all these coaches
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  Speaker 1: are talking, these players are talking, They're all they're all
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out They probably already know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of them have a good idea of what's happening. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's interesting. I haven't really heard anything on Devin
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  Speaker 1: and maybe he had a conversation with Jason Beck and
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  Speaker 1: Jason said, look, I'm probably not going to be here
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  Speaker 1: next year. I've got a lot of irons in the fire.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm now a hot commodity, which I think Jason is. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And so I don't think Jason thought Michigan was the
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  Speaker 1: commodity or the place, and and now it is, and
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  Speaker 1: and then that kind of changes that dynamic between the
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  Speaker 1: two of them. But I just think it's interesting that
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  Speaker 1: Dan Pierre maybe hasn't been clear. I mean, he kind
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  Speaker 1: of eluded that he was going to be back, but
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe he hadn't done something because of a conversation
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  Speaker 1: he had with Jason Beck. I'm just speculating here. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, but I just know that there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of conversation that goes on, uh in the back channels
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  Speaker 1: and and often, and that no one wants to be
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  Speaker 1: left with a place to sit, you know, when the
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  Speaker 1: music stops, and so everyone's doing everything and that that's
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  Speaker 1: coaches included my agent. By the way, Sean called me
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  Speaker 1: shortly after Kyle. I mean like, I mean, the ink
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  Speaker 1: hadn't even dried, and he said, uh, can I get
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  Speaker 1: ahold of Kyle?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: I need uh one of my clients. It's Biff Pogey,
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  Speaker 1: who is the and he goes, you know, so he
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  Speaker 1: so they're you know, they're all talking and to to
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  Speaker 1: kind of get back to your your question, I think
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  Speaker 1: playing the game is like, oh, thank you football. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we can kind of get away from all these distractions.
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  Speaker 1: And it's always one of those things whereas chaotic and
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  Speaker 1: crazy as your life is, everything seems normal on a
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  Speaker 1: football field. And during a football game.
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  Speaker 3: How important is it for Morgan to start his tenure
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  Speaker 3: with a win here?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? You know, bowl games used to be so important,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and and and like and there was a
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  Speaker 1: time when you know, Utah had a formula for how
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  Speaker 1: that how it handled and prepared for bowl games and
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  Speaker 1: and they took it like a reset on the year
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  Speaker 1: and they worked really hard. Uh. And then other schools
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  Speaker 1: were like, man, this is a vacation for us, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a celebration, and and you know they don't take
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  Speaker 1: it as serious. You know, I was like ten and
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  Speaker 1: zero in his first Bowl games, and I think now
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  Speaker 1: the whole dynamic has really changed for the Bowl games.
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  Speaker 1: So you used to take more stock in who won
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  Speaker 1: and kind of the conferences that had the most wins,
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  Speaker 1: because then it kind of says, see, our conference is
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  Speaker 1: better than everyone else's kind of thing. And with all
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  Speaker 1: the guys sitting out, with all the influx, you know,
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  Speaker 1: of things like what's happening at Utah, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that it really matters, you know, certainly, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it matters. Actually, I think what really matters is folks
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  Speaker 1: are going to go, Okay, what happens January second, what
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  Speaker 1: happens with the coaching staff, and what happens what does
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  Speaker 1: this team look like next year? I think I think
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  Speaker 1: that's what's really people are going to focus on. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's I don't think whether you win or
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  Speaker 1: lose this game is going to have any impact whatsoever
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  Speaker 1: on that situation. The only thing, probably the best thing
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  Speaker 1: that's happened is all the practice time, in all the downtime.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Morgan's now having opportunities, just like Kyle is
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  Speaker 1: to meet with and talk to and recruit his team.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure that's part of what you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: the best part, that's the most important thing that's going
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  Speaker 1: to have the biggest impact on Morgan, more so than
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  Speaker 1: the outcome of this game.
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of Utah fans that are up
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  Speaker 3: in arms over the idea that Kyle Whittingham made this
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  Speaker 3: promise that he wasn't gonna leave unless it was in
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  Speaker 3: the best interest of Utah football, and he made a
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  Speaker 3: big deal about making sure that the program was in
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  Speaker 3: a good place, and that had something to do with
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  Speaker 3: his timing, et cetera, et cetera. And there are a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people who are like, well, hold on, you're
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  Speaker 3: not leaving the program in a good place if you're
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  Speaker 3: now taking our best coaches and maybe some of our
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  Speaker 3: best players in the transfer portal. I still think a
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  Speaker 3: case can be made that you left the program in
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  Speaker 3: a pretty good place, even if Jim Harding leaves, or
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  Speaker 3: even if Jason Beck leaves or whatever. Where do you
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  Speaker 3: stand on that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I just I know coaches say a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things and and their their coach speak, and that might
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  Speaker 1: be a little coach speak, it's just kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham is a coach, and I think he probably
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  Speaker 1: still wanted to coach at Utah. I certainly don't think
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  Speaker 1: he thought there was ever any chance to go to Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the timing of everything was just absolutely perfect.
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  Speaker 1: And and I I I I do think he's left
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  Speaker 1: the program in an incredible place. He took he took
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  Speaker 1: the program somewhere it had never been and just was
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  Speaker 1: a was a steady force for a long period of time,
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  Speaker 1: and he got the most out of the people that
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  Speaker 1: he was around. He showed a formula in a way
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  Speaker 1: of how Utah could consistently win and be competitive and
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  Speaker 1: in big time college football. And so I think you
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: have to just tip your hat to him and just
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  Speaker 1: appreciate everything that he brought to the university. Whenever someone leaves,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: no matter what it is, it's it's almost one hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent awkward, and it never it's maybe even a little
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  Speaker 1: ugly in some in some senses, but it's part of
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  Speaker 1: the business and it's part of how it works. And
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: you know, it's so much better for everyone to look
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  Speaker 1: forward get excited about Morgan and what he brings to
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  Speaker 1: the table and get behind him. And and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think Kyle made the comment he says, you know,
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  Speaker 1: here here, this coaching staff at Michigan went nine and three,
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  Speaker 1: and most of them are going to get fired. And
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and that's just the nature of kind of the coaching position.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, Kyle, I mean, if it's if it's
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: just coaches that you're losing, you lose coaches all the time.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just part of the business. And and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. But
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  Speaker 1: he's done way, way, way more for this program, uh,
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  Speaker 1: than than than destroying it or or leaving it in
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  Speaker 1: a bad spot.
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  Speaker 3: I will, I'll agree with that wholeheartedly. Scott, thanks for
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  Speaker 3: your time. Always appreciate you, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: You got it, buddy. Thank you. Have a great day.
• 21:04
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• 21:10
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• 21:14
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• 21:18
  Speaker 3: We will have full game coverage. We're gonna do a
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  Speaker 3: little watch party down at Big Willie's seventeen seventeen, South Maine.
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  Speaker 1: Hope we will see you there