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What the Hell was Going On in the Bronx?! · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 5: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm George.
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  Speaker 5: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 5: the Oddity Studios. For another, I'd say we're going in
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  Speaker 5: a different direction, but not at all for this show
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  Speaker 5: in the grand scheme of things.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: We're going into the future.
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  Speaker 5: We're steering into what we've always done, but it's been
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  Speaker 5: a while since we've done a ton of these movies.
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  Speaker 5: And then lately, we've been talking about, you know, on
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  Speaker 5: a recent episode, you brought up, you know, some of
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  Speaker 5: these older grindhouse movies, drive-in movies, just weird stuff that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I've always been fascinated by, and we've definitely
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  Speaker 5: covered a lot of over the years on this, but
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  Speaker 5: we haven't had a good reason to focus on it lately.
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  Speaker 5: So that's where we're headed, but we'll get back to that.
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  Speaker 5: But beforehand, as our usual to kick things off, have
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  Speaker 5: you seen anything interesting lately?
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  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I've seen a trio of things. Well, actually, one, well,
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  Speaker 2: four things if you count this one I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: You'd recommended that No Exit movie. It was on Hulu.
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  Speaker 2: The girl that relieves rehab and then gets snowed in.
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  Speaker 5: Sort of a thing on a roadside stop. Yeah. You're
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  Speaker 5: still snowed in. You don't know who the killer is.
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  Speaker 5: She's snowed in at a travel center or something like that.
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  Speaker 5: So it's sort of a Hateful Eight thing. But a
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  Speaker 5: little lighter version, more or less. But yeah, I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't too bad at all.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a good time. And I liked her,
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  Speaker 5: and then the other characters were interesting to mix in. So,
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  Speaker 5: it was fun.
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  Speaker 2: Another one sitting at home, didn't have to leave the
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  Speaker 2: house for those ones. Saw Knock of the Cabin, finally.
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  Speaker 2: The Shyamalan.
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  Speaker 5: Still haven't... Again, everybody kind of has issues with him. So,
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  Speaker 5: I guess, without spoilers, what's your take on, I guess,
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  Speaker 5: him now in this specific movie?
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  Speaker 2: I was fine with it. It's not going to be
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  Speaker 2: one of his best, but certainly not one of his worst.
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  Speaker 2: But it was enjoyable.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's been coasting on that status with a
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  Speaker 5: few dips into worst along the way. But most of
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  Speaker 5: those are a while ago now. So, I mean, the
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  Speaker 5: last thing's... old is the only one I feel like
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  Speaker 5: I've seen lately. And I'm like, yeah, it's fine. I
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  Speaker 5: liked old. Yeah. It's a, again, a really interesting concept
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  Speaker 5: that kind of don't do as much with it as
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  Speaker 5: they could have, but yeah, there's fine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, you know, Shyamalan always loves throwing
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  Speaker 2: in his stuff to kind of make you think. And
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  Speaker 2: so they're like, okay, what's the focus with the grasshoppers?
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  Speaker 2: They keep, you know, seeing grasshoppers, chicks, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: little girls, you know, catching grasshoppers and a little thing
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  Speaker 2: she made for them. And, Yeah, all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like, they never really kind of get into that.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, they can't represent the plague. That's locusts.
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  Speaker 2: You know, come on, read a freaking book, folks.
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  Speaker 5: Not that book. Nobody wants to read that.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, basically, obviously, the four people led by
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  Speaker 2: Dave Bautista and Ron Weasley are, you know, the four
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  Speaker 2: horsemen of the apocalypse.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or horsepersons, because it's two, you know, we have two
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  Speaker 2: ladies in the group, too, so.
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  Speaker 5: You got to balance it out. Sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Horsemen being general, not just male. Anyway, but yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: they're the horsemen of the apocalypse. You know, so, but yeah, it's,
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed the movie. You know, it's like I said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there you go. In theaters, I went and
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  Speaker 2: saw John Wick 4 because I got my wife caught
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  Speaker 2: up on him. She had realized she had never seen
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  Speaker 2: any of them. And so she was, I basically was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: here's the first one. And she bought the ticket, took
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  Speaker 2: the ride, enjoyed it. So like, let's go.
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  Speaker 5: The first one is its own amazing thing. And then
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  Speaker 5: the sequels are just fun after that.
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  Speaker 2: It's building upon what they already did.
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  Speaker 5: And they had such an interesting concept with that in
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  Speaker 5: its own universe thing that that's what they can expand on.
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  Speaker 5: Because to me, the emotional journey is all that first movie.
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  Speaker 5: And everything since then, he's just kind of going along
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  Speaker 5: for the ride as we are. But that kind of
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  Speaker 5: bookends it in its own one movie thing. But then
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  Speaker 5: they went, oh, we came up with a really cool concept. Like,
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  Speaker 5: how about if we just expand on that for three movies? So,
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  Speaker 5: that's what it seems like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but basically, as my buddy Tommy said, this is beautiful,
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  Speaker 2: violent art. And it is. I mean, the stunt team,
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  Speaker 2: good God, man. Those folks are going to get some nominations,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 3: They're just.
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  Speaker 2: They outdid themselves. And there was like multiple stunt teams.
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  Speaker 5: And every movie is kind of like, what can we
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  Speaker 5: do to make it even more crazy and over the top?
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  Speaker 5: And they always kind of delivered.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's a couple of big scenes, like some just
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  Speaker 2: huge action scenes where it's like there's so much coordination
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  Speaker 2: going on.
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  Speaker 5: There's, what was it?
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  Speaker 2: When they were in, I guess, Paris or something like that,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, You know how the traffic circles around the
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  Speaker 2: Arc de Triomphe?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's like a whole gunfight, fight, fight in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of traffic. They're dodging cars and trying to kill each other.
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  Speaker 5: Very John Wick.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God, it's an amazing sequence. But yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is definitely, it does have a post-credit scene too. You've
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  Speaker 2: got to wait all the way to the end of
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  Speaker 2: the credits. There it gives you a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a possible payoff.
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  Speaker 5: Of something they dropped earlier in the movie. We know
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  Speaker 5: they want to leave the door open. This thing has
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  Speaker 5: made so much money. Well, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's not, I will spoil this much, it's not about John,
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  Speaker 2: the post-credits scene. It's about another character in the movie,
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  Speaker 2: but again, it's a kind of a, it's a loose
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  Speaker 2: end that basically they kind of left literally for the
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  Speaker 2: end of the movie there. So, kind of give you that.
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  Speaker 2: But the is he or isn't he dead, they kind
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  Speaker 2: of leave that.
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  Speaker 5: Up to the audience.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then basically, I guess, for how big of a payday.
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  Speaker 5: They want to get. I mean, we are getting kind
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  Speaker 5: of a spinoff character.
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  Speaker 2: New series, right? Yeah, the Continental show got greenlit. So
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  Speaker 2: we got Peacock, I think, in September.
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  Speaker 5: They did say they were going to do a ballerina
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  Speaker 5: show with Ana de Armas. See, I thought that, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I thought the Ana was the one that... Was at
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  Speaker 5: least kind of in the works. I don't know how
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  Speaker 5: far along.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't heard anything more about that. And the
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  Speaker 2: weird thing, too, is like, okay, well, if they're going
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  Speaker 2: to– I can see what they would do with that
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  Speaker 2: because there's a scene, I guess, in the second film
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  Speaker 2: when you get to see Angelica Houston's character. And she's
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  Speaker 2: basically watching these ballerinas do their thing. But also these
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  Speaker 2: girls are also part of the training program, too. So, like,
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  Speaker 2: they're ballerinas and assassins. Yeah, so it's like, okay, so
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  Speaker 2: I guess Anna is one of those ballerinas. Like, why
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  Speaker 2: didn't they introduce her in one of these four movies
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  Speaker 2: and they never did? So it's kind of like, okay, well.
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  Speaker 5: See, that's the thing. Now it's become a blur because
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, wasn't she? And I'm like, well, no, she
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  Speaker 5: was in that last James Bond movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but now she.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, I think I'm mixing these into one
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  Speaker 5: big action movie.
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  Speaker 2: Trust me, if she shows up in a movie, I'm noticing.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, she's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she's a very good actress and she's a very
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  Speaker 2: lovely lady. But yeah, so I'm noticing if she's in
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  Speaker 2: a movie, she is in none of these movies. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you got Ruby Rose as one of the bad guys
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  Speaker 2: in the second one. She's cool because she's like the
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  Speaker 2: mute assassin.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So you get some ASL representation with the subtitles.
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  Speaker 5: That's kind of cool.
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  Speaker 8: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: But it's probably one of her best roles, but she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't speak. So that's unfortunate.
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  Speaker 5: That's just extra level of acting.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just, yeah, it was a good performance, though.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, she gets to kick some.
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  Speaker 5: Ass, too. So that's, yeah. He's John Wick. I would
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  Speaker 5: hope so.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so like I said, that was amazing. Very
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  Speaker 2: recently saw the Dungeons & Dragons movie, Honor Among Thieves.
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  Speaker 2: And that was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the trailer, to me, if you're okay with
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  Speaker 5: the trailer, you're probably fine, right? Because, I mean, it
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  Speaker 5: looks like in no way, shape, or form does it
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  Speaker 5: take itself seriously. So, like, if you go in with
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  Speaker 5: a very hard-set D & D world that you want
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  Speaker 5: to commit to, like, they don't seem like they're worried
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  Speaker 5: about that. They're just there to have fun.
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  Speaker 2: They do a good job of mixing it. Because anybody
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  Speaker 2: who plays D & D knows you're going to have
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  Speaker 2: somebody in your party that's going to do some wacky,
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  Speaker 2: goofy stuff. and get somebody laughing, or, I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: myself have played that character. I had a barbarian character
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  Speaker 2: I used for a number of years that anytime he saw, like,
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  Speaker 2: when they were going to a tavern and there were, like,
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  Speaker 2: gooseberry muffins or anything made with gooseberries, I went to
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  Speaker 2: Berserker Frenzy and would devour all the muffins, and anything
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  Speaker 2: in my path would get annihilated. Or, like, if we're
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  Speaker 2: in a field and there's berries in there, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going crazy. So that was just a tick I put
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  Speaker 2: in there. So a lot of times that would harm us.
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  Speaker 2: Especially if we're in a royal court and there's food
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  Speaker 2: out and we're trying to be nice for the king
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  Speaker 2: and talk to them and basically I see a table
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  Speaker 2: full of, you know, desserts and there's berries and I
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  Speaker 2: just go ham on it.
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  Speaker 5: And they're like, yeah, you know what? Your party might
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  Speaker 5: need to cut you loose. Well, I did die twice.
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  Speaker 2: So, but they just, you know, they couldn't keep a
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  Speaker 2: good barbarian down. But yeah, so, you know, there is
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  Speaker 2: a good level of goofiness and seriousness, a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: As an old school D & D guy, I wish
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  Speaker 2: they would have had like some recognizable characters that we
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  Speaker 2: know from like a lot of the books or some
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  Speaker 2: of the compendiums or some of the, there's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a handful of really famous D & D characters.
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  Speaker 5: Just human characters, not monsters to fight.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the human, elf, dwarf characters, wizards, all sorts of
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  Speaker 2: various guys. I mean, one elf in particular, a dark
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  Speaker 2: elf by the name of Drizdo Erden, probably one of
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  Speaker 2: the most famous D & D characters. And the dark
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  Speaker 2: elves have a cool appearance. They have almost like a
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  Speaker 2: bronzish-tan sort of skin, but stark white hair. And they
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  Speaker 2: live underground. They live in caves and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: They're typically thought to be bad, but Drizdo's cool. He's
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  Speaker 2: kind of against his whole, you know... upbringing and whatever.
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  Speaker 5: Else those evil people so he's a he's.
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  Speaker 2: A hero but it's gonna be great whenever basically they
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  Speaker 2: start casting dark elves uh folks of color are gonna
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  Speaker 2: get all sorts of roles because i mean they can
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  Speaker 2: either go with black actors they can go with any
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  Speaker 2: like you know brown skin caramel skin actors you know
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  Speaker 2: just to play these roles and they you know and
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  Speaker 2: you got some solid roles in there too nice maybe
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  Speaker 2: but of course there is a lot of fun easter
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  Speaker 2: eggs a lot of you know recognizable creatures and locations
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. You know, if you're a big
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  Speaker 2: map fan of your Forgotten Realms, you know, basically there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of towns and known areas you're in. But
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  Speaker 2: then also, like, the 80s cartoon gets a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a shout.
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  Speaker 5: Out as well. I think I've seen that, which that
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  Speaker 5: is one that, like, it's surprising how much that, like,
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  Speaker 5: held its own little spot. Because I do remember watching
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  Speaker 5: that pretty much every week. Oh, yeah. That was fun
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  Speaker 5: in its own weird dorky way, which again is that
• 11:54
  Speaker 5: same thing. Like they couldn't just do it straight because
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  Speaker 5: it's not going to work for Saturday morning kids. So
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  Speaker 5: it was a total modernized trip through time and to
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  Speaker 5: your own special little. medieval world. Well, they basically went
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  Speaker 5: through like a portal, essentially. Yeah, but you can have
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  Speaker 5: modern references. You can have kids being cool 80s kids
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  Speaker 5: instead of dorky old-timey people. So, like, they had to
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  Speaker 5: put that spin on it. So, again, it feels like
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  Speaker 5: it's not too far away from that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but for a show that, you know, hardly lasted
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  Speaker 2: two seasons that was 40-some-odd years ago, it has held
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  Speaker 2: its own and has a warm place in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people's hearts, including mine.
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  Speaker 5: I think so. But, yeah, so, like I said, it.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely, you know, It doesn't– basically, it kind of– it
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  Speaker 2: should be– could be like self-contained stories each one. Like
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  Speaker 2: it's just a different journey, different group of guys. Could
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  Speaker 2: you see them go on another journey? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: Or mix and match and add some people from this one,
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  Speaker 5: bring in some new people. Yeah. It seems like a
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  Speaker 5: good plan as– The grand scheme of making this series
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  Speaker 5: of movies.
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  Speaker 2: The three-way chemistry between Chris Pine, Michelle Rodriguez, and Justice
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  Speaker 2: Smith is actually really nice. Especially between Pine and Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 2: They're kind of like the longtime buddies. She's a barbarian
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  Speaker 2: that's been cast out, and he's a bard. Who's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a bit of a roguish character himself. Hugh
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  Speaker 2: Grant gets to have a little bit of fun. And
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  Speaker 2: an out-of-nowhere cameo by Brad Cooper.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Because he's Michelle Rodriguez's ex-husband. But I won't give away
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  Speaker 2: that basically there's a bit of a difference between the
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  Speaker 2: two of them. Not necessarily that's what kept them apart,
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: but that's kind of what attracted her to him. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: basically it's.
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  Speaker 5: Bradley Cooper like you've never seen him before. And we've
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  Speaker 5: seen him as a rodent. Yeah, yeah. We've seen him
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  Speaker 5: do a lot of strange things over the years.
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  Speaker 2: You immediately know it's him. Like he's himself, but he's
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  Speaker 2: just a little different. But yeah, so it's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fun.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's good to see. I mean, it still had
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  Speaker 5: a little mix from different people, depending on usually just
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  Speaker 5: D & D people.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But it seems like it's done pretty well. So it's
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  Speaker 5: interesting to see that something sort of work because they
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  Speaker 5: kept trying to go to the actual D & D
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  Speaker 5: well and like nothing's really worked over the years. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: there's been several attempts at movies. even the animated thing
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  Speaker 5: was just sort of its own little niche audience. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's good to see at least something sort of work
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  Speaker 5: in a grand sense enough to maybe get another movie
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  Speaker 5: out of it if nothing else. I think so.
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  Speaker 2: It did well enough too, I think. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they could very easily, you know, merit, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: whole series of movies. Like I said, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: could keep up with this cast. They could go with
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  Speaker 2: an entirely different, you know, thing or they could start
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  Speaker 2: doing some adaptations of, You know, some of the famous
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  Speaker 2: novels or stories or whatnot within the D & D universe.
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  Speaker 2: So they got all kinds of room.
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  Speaker 5: To play with this. I just want special appearance by
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  Speaker 5: Thora Birch. That's all. That'd be cool. Let's bring it
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  Speaker 5: back around.
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Or Marlon Wayans.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, no way. Nobody wants him in any movie. No, no.
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  Speaker 5: That's just me. They keep trying to put him in stuff.
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  Speaker 5: It would just be the most infamous stunt cast.
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  Speaker 2: Because basically anybody who remembers their first D & D
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  Speaker 2: movie that came out in the 90s was like, Marlon Wayans.
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  Speaker 5: Is in this movie? I think that every movie they
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: put him in. Even the Wayans Brothers movies. But only
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: the younger brothers. I went on a rant recently about it.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, it's so weird because the older two
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: are legitimately funny and super talented. I want nothing to
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: do with those younger two. They were fine on the show,
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  Speaker 5: but as time went on, they became their own weird brand.
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: And it's obnoxious and I don't like it. And like,
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: so every time I see, Marlon tries to be serious sometimes.
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: He at least has done a couple of roles and
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, if I don't know it's him,
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: I can put that aside and be like, all right,
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: I can watch you in this movie, I guess. But. Yeah,
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: their comedy stylings is just not for me.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Well, what was the one spoof movie, the early one
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: that did the night, is the Don't Drink Your Juice.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: But that was still Keenan. I think Keenan directed that one.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: He did. But he was definitely in it. Marlon had
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: a big role in it. It was one of the
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: main leads, and I loved him in that. But again, that...
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: them on the show was good, too. They could be
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: funny on the show. So if they're being guided by Kenan,
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: they seem to do okay. As soon as he was
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: out of the picture, I'm like, oh, what are they
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: doing now?
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I would say the same thing with the scary movie movies.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: But again, you're right. That's under Kenan.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: As soon as you get away from that, take a
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: look at their sitcom.
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: Jesus.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Just the opening theme song, I was just like, no, no, no, stop, no, stop.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: Go back to being SW1. Like just, just. Oh, SW1. See,
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: that's when he was, that's when he was cool. No,
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: but that wasn't Marlon. That was Sean. That was Sean.
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: I was like that. And that's kind of the only
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: other thing I know Sean for. Like at least Marlon's
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: branched out and tried to do dramatic roles, but yeah,
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: he's just SW1. That's Sean. That's all he ever gets
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: to be as far as I'm concerned. That was the
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: last time you were cool. Oh my God. Well, in
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: stuff I've, I went back a little ways because I
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: was like, since we're doing, I guess I'm going to
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: say an action movie. I'm not really sure what the
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: hell we watched this week. But I was like, let's
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: find something at least kind of along those lines. And
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: there was one that I've known of it since it
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: came out. At the time, it seemed like a weird move,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: so I avoided it. I don't know if it was conscious,
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: but I just didn't get around to it. I definitely
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: was kind of shocked how long I didn't get around
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: to it. I finally found a copy of it and went,
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: you know what? Screw it. I'm going to watch this.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: I watched The Long Kiss Goodnight.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: Oh!
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it was just me and everyone
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: else in the world at that point was done with
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Rennie Harlan. We definitely worry about his next movie. But, like,
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know what it was, because I loved Geena Davis,
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: especially at the time. Like, she was on a run of, like,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: amazing movies. So I was just like, somehow I just
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: hadn't gotten around to it. And, man, it is amazing
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: how of the moment and type of movie this is. Like,
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: it is... And maybe even more than Rennie Harlan, it
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: is so Shane Black. The credits came up and it
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: was the first time I went, oh shit, this is
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Shane Black? And you get in there and I was like,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: this is just the last Boy Scout. This is just
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: that 90s run of Shane Black and action movies and
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: Rennie Harlan. sort of top of her popularity game... Geena Davis?
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: Geena Davis, yeah. So, I mean, it's like all of
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: those things coming together at that moment for a movie
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: that didn't hit at all at the time. Like, nobody
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: really cared about it. But, like, watching it, it is this, like,
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: snapshot of, like, this specific time and place of action
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: movies and everyone involved. And definitely dialogue in the story
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: is so Shane Black. So.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Well, and also, this is kind of coming off of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Sam Jackson's popularity with Pulp Fiction.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Because.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: While this may have been shot around the same time
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: as Pulp Fiction or before or whatever the case may be,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: it was definitely released after Pulp Fiction.
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: It's 96. Yeah. It was definitely after and kind of
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: banking on the popularity of both of the stars.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Because this was Gina's twofer with her then-husband, Rennie.
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Because it was this and Cutthroat Island.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: And Cutthroat Island, which killed all of their careers. We're
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: lucky Matthew Modine's still around at this point.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Well, he has Stranger Things.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that's what saved him. Because really... Like,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: he kept turning up and stuff. I was like, is
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: that him in Batman? Huh. Yeah. Okay, still working, still working.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: And then Stranger Things came along. I was like, oh, okay.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: He's back with a vengeance.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: And then Geena Davis went to TV as well.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Because she had her, like, was it Madam President or.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: That was more recent, yeah.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: She's had a couple of TV shows.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: I miss her old TV. Wasn't it Sarah? That sounds
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: far back I'm going with Geena Davis. Because I always
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: liked Geena Davis. Oh, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, that... She
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: had like a sitcom in the early days when she
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: was coming off of her. other, like, side character role
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: in that, what's that, Dabney Coleman show? She was a
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: side character on. And then they were like, oh, that
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: got canceled, but we're going to give you your own show.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: And I don't think it made it like a season.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: So they kept trying. They're like, we know she's going
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: to be big. We got to find a thing for her.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: And then everything fell into place, but it was pretty
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: much all film at that point. So yeah, it was
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: her coming back, I guess, for the president thing. But yeah. Yeah, she's,
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, she's impressive as always in this, but again,
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: a weird move as the story goes, because it really
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: is a total, she is a different character even within
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: the context of this movie for a good portion of
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: this movie. Yeah. So you do get to see her
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: be totally different than the badass action hero that you
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: kind of expect from the trailer. There's a lot in
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: the movie that that's not who she is, but she
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: does a great job being the other person.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Basically, if The Bourne Identity had come out previous to this,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I can expect that the pitch would have been something.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Like, okay, it's The Bourne Identity meets Jekyll and Hyde.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Because it's kind of, I mean, like, of course, I mean,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the book for The Bourne Identity was out, you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: been out since, what, the 70s or something, 70s or 80s. But,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of that same concept where it's like.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: She's a secret agent, but doesn't know she's a secret agent.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: But then once she flips the switch.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: She's a badass. She's a badass.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just the line I still frequently quote.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: No one knows I'm quoting from this line.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Because nobody remembers this movie.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Nobody remembers this movie. But basically is the one, you know, like,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: it's like. Sam Jackson's comparison is like, oh, you used
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to be like, oh, phooey, I burned the muffins. And
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: then your next line is basically like, oh, you walk
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: into a bar and then five minutes later, sailors come
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: running out.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: They do. Yeah. And they do a good job with
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: that between her and, I guess, the writing. It is
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: the slow pivot. It's not a flip of the switch.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: It's like she doesn't even realize she's doing it in
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: the beginning.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: And, like, she starts, like, doing weird things with knives.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: And she doesn't know why. She starts using foul language.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: And she doesn't even realize it. So, like, it is
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: this slow switch. And then eventually she full on hits, like, oh. Yeah,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: when she changed her appearance. Yeah, when she fully goes, oh,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: I'm back to me again. Let me make sure everyone
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: knows it's me. Yeah. Yeah. But it's, again, I don't
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: even know how normal people would take to it now.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: If you don't know that brand of 90s action movie, like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know how it would work
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: for people. I was just, like, so thrown into that
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: for nostalgia reasons that I was like, because they don't
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: make action movies like that now. They're very different. They're
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: still making plenty of action movies, but much like we'll
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: talk about later, every era has its own weird action movies.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: This was a 90s thing and it feels like it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: The movie we're going to talk about today is an
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: 80s movie and comes from a time period and also
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: a period of the world where they don't make movies
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: like this anymore either. I always go into looking at
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: older films like just enjoy it is for what it is.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Are you entertained? In some way, shape, or even if
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: it's bad and you're sitting there making fun of it,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: are you having a good time making fun of it?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Because then you're still having a good time with it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Or there's a couple of kill scenes you like, or
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. But yeah, so that's the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: one thing I love about genre films is that sometimes
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: you get some people that just go completely balls out.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: And they don't make a corporate, and that's the problem
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: with a lot of today's, action films is that they
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: went too big budget, and so you get a lot
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of corporate stuff.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: The John Wick series has been able to toe the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: line between the both. They've been able to be creative
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and have some original takes on it, but it's widely accepted,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and I almost expected Burger King to put out collector's cups.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: I think it's because that one is built around... the
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: giant staging of all the fights like it's not like
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: again the beginning was character driven and then that was
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: kind of dealt with and like by the sequel it
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: was like well now we need to focus on the
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: other thing everybody liked yeah and that became the star
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: of the movie almost is like yes we all love
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: keanu but really we're here for these crazy elaborate fights
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: and like that's i think all they have to deliver
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: on now as long as they do that right people
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: are still going to keep showing up. Yeah. I think
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: that kind of helps them from that angle.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: And the beauty part is of Keanu's commitment to, you know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: his weapon handling, to the fight scenes, to the stunts
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: and whatever else. It's like he just, you know, even
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: more so than how much training he went through for
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the Matrix films, he looks even more seasoned in these
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: John Wick movies, the way he handles weapons or whatever else.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: It's been so many years. I was like, again, it's
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: got to be, way harder to do that now as
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: an old guy than when he did Matrix. Like, he
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: was still relatively young then. It's like, shit, it's gotta
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: be an extra fight now. Like, So power to him,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: because he is a.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: He looks like a dude that's kind of maintained his physicality. Like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: he probably does yoga every day.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: I'm sure, yeah.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: You know, so he.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Because he was always, like, kind of edging martial arts anyway,
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: even when he gets to his, like, samurai phase.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: And, like, he, again, studied a ton of martial arts
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: for that, for the Matrix, and then going into this,
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: I'm sure.
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: So.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: I don't think that ever dropped off, but now it's
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: like the movie's caught up with him. It's like now
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: he needs to do that for this role, and luckily
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: he's still in amazing shape, so good for him.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It's always fascinated me with his career because he has
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: written this line of, beloved actor by the mass audience,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: or whatever he'd done. He's never really done anything that's like,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: oh my god, why did you do this atrocity to man?
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, Johnny Mnemonic was close.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: It's pretty rough, yeah.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: He hasn't really done anything that's been a real stinker.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: The only one that people give him shit for, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: I still love the movie, is him in Dracula. And
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: I love that Dracula movie, and I think he does... Again,
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: we had someone on the show bring it up before,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: and they were like, Jonathan, within the context of this story,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, look at Gary Oldman. Look at what he's
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: dealing with. And he has to still go, huh, that's peculiar.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: So that character is written to be kind of dense.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: So like what he does with it is fitting for
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: the story and the character. So I was like, I
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: don't think he does a bad job in that. No,
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I mean... He doesn't do a fancy accent, and I
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: think that's what people want to make fun of him.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: He sounds like Keanu, but.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, the thing was, this is a couple
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: years removed from people giving Kevin Costner shit for his
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Robin Hood movie, where his accent changes, you know, multiple
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: times in the movie.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: He pretty much just sounds like Kevin Costner.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he starts off with a bit of an accent, then, yeah,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: by the end of the movie, he's just full-on Kevin Costner.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Carrie Elwes made fun of him
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: in the Mel Brooks, you know, Men in Tights movie.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: That was maybe the best line in it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Unlike some actors... Yeah, speak with a proper British accent.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, unlike some actors. But, you know, so I think
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Keanu kind of knew, like, okay, I can't really do
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: accents like that, so I'm just going to be me.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: But you're right, though.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: He's basically like the ultimate cuckold.
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, he's there just to be duped so
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: that we can get the movie going. And, like, after that,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: he doesn't have much to do.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just think of, like, the party of everybody.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: You've got Van Helsing, who, of course, in this case
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: is played by Hopkins.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, who's going to be the hero of the movie,
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: whether anybody likes it or not.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: And then you've got Quincy Harker, who, he's the cowboy,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: he's got the guns. So of the party of the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: three of them, he is the least effective.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: He's the least interesting. He's the least, like, everything about
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: him is just like, oh, yeah, that guy's still here.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: He's only there to basically introduce us to Dracula because
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: he's got to get him to sign some paperwork and, hey,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I got a hot girlfriend.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: And that becomes the focus of the movie. Like, oh,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: I want her. You can get out of the way now, dude.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: And he kind of does as the plot goes on.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: He almost dies twice. He's getting sucked on by all
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the brides of Dracula and they're using him like a
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: soda fountain.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: You know? There's worse ways to go, you know? Yeah,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: that's true, yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So you think he's going to die there, and then
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: he almost dies in the fight with Dracula himself.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, my God, just kill this dude, Stoker.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: To me, that's the one he got the most flack
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: for that I remember. Like, everything else, like, they still, like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: make fun of his, whoa. But that went away eventually. Everybody,
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: it caught up to, like, oh, he's actually, like, good
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: at doing what he does. And, like, then everybody sort
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: of realized, In the real world, he's the coolest guy ever.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: So it's like, we all just came like, okay, we
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: all love Keanu. Like, that's just, we've decided.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the whole thing. Like, yeah, we didn't
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: take him seriously. Then we kind of love him. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: then we see who he is as a person, too.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: It's just like, okay, yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: And people made fun of him because he was... dumb
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: because he said whoa and he was Bill and Ted
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: but then as you move on it's like oh did
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: you see the documentary he did about cinematography like he's
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: not dumb like he just can play that convincingly when
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: he's younger.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Or just listen to him in interviews yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: He's not he's not at all but but yeah he
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: just got kind of pigeonholed into that whoa and that
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: was killed a good portion of his career really nobody
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: took him seriously at least he still made tons of
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: money in successful films but nobody took him seriously so
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: It's a double-edged sword. What are you going to do?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like, okay, so you
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: did two Bill and Ted movies and you were able
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: to spin that off into parenthood and got to work
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: with Steve Martin and Rick Moranis.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Which, again, he's that same. Like, I think he's brilliant
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: in that. But he plays dumb so good. Yes, he does.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: Those two, that couple, because it's broken up on all
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: these couples. And, like, those two are just dumb kids. And, like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: they're so good at it. Both of them. Yeah, I
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: would love to see them do something together still. Because
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: I'm like, they're so good at that in that movie. So,
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: I think that's the thing. He was too good at
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: being that dumb character for so many movies that we
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: started to buy into it. Like, oh, I think he's just.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: really kind of not too smart. And he's getting lucky.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, no. He knows what the hell he's doing. Yeah.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: So he's always been impressive. It took a while for
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: the rest of the world to catch up with how
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: awesome he is.
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: We get to our movie we're going to talk about today,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: which we could have had a big star on the rise.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: And our young Mark Gregory.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: Our very young. I didn't realize that young. He did
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: a handful of movies and then he's gone. Alright, since
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: we're into it, let's fully get into it. It's time
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: for Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 3: These are the weapons. These are the warriors. And this
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: is the final battlefield. 1990, the Bronx Warriors. They trust
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: no one. They fear nothing. Those who follow them will survive.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Those who challenge them will die. It's a future ruled
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: by the strong. A future where the first to perish.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Are the lucky ones. 1990, the Bronx Warriors.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: We gotta stand up and fight all this oppression.
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: It's time to organize and get broke.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: We lost sight of our needs. This place aggression. You
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: gotta wake it up. This episode's Silver Theater feature is
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: 1990 colon The Bronx Warriors.
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  Speaker 8: Woohoo!
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: The year is 1982 when it came out for some people. Yeah.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: The director, I will attempt this, Enzo Castellari? Castellari, yep.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Again, I try not to pronounce American names, let alone
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: any time we cross the ocean. And let's get it right.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Enzo G.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Castellano. That is how he is built. Yes. And the plot,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: according to IMDb, and I will immediately have issue, but
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: we'll get to that. In a post-apocalyptic New York City,
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: a policeman infiltrates the Bronx, which has become a battleground
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: for several murderous street gangs. spoiler alert we're about to
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: ruin the hell out of all of this so uh
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: hopefully you've gone to see it you've watched it in
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: your home you own a copy of it i don't
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: know did they even make physical copies of it oh
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: yeah is it out on criterion at this point uh
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: i probably not but.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I know they've got a box set of all three
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: of them yeah i did.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: See that when i was looking into this so yeah
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: there you go it's out there in many formats it
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: was streaming when i watched it so it's not hard
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: to find Go watch it before.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: We ruin it. Yeah, the whole series is on Prime
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: and Tubi and Pluto.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Tubi and Pluto had it. So, yeah,
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: you don't even have to pay anything. You just got
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: to watch dumb ads. So, yeah, this is another one
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: of those. There's so many movies I know by reputation.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: A lot of them I've gotten to. Then there's the
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: other half that I'm just like, ah, I'll get to
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: it later. And then this was one of those. As
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: you were throwing out options, I was like, okay, I
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: know this by reputation, by title. little else and then
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: um that was one of the things that was gonna
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: be my first thing because even when you mentioned it
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: i was like oh well i do love a good
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: post-apocalyptic movie especially bad cheesy low budget ones those are
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: kind of the best so as we start this i'm like.
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: This is even a post-apocalyptic movie that one little area
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: has become a fucking war zone but i was like
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: other than that anytime we cut back to like new
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: york it's regular old everyday new york so i'm like.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: This isn't post-apocalyptic. This is just, screw the Bronx, we're
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: not going to deal with you anymore movie. So, yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: right there I want to argue, it's not post-apocalyptic. We
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: just said, screw the Bronx.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Also, the synopsis says nothing about the character of Anne,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: who's kind of like the principal protagonist in this movie.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: The character kind of gets things going. No mention of
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: her whatsoever.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Well, again, she has little to do in this movie. Although,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of our characters have little to do in
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: this movie. There's a lot that goes on, and yet,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know what anybody's really, what are we going
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: for here, people? But we can get to all of that.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Of course, yeah. And of course, this is, if you're
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a person of a certain age, you remember going to
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the video store. This was box art you saw all.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: The time back in the day.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Because it's a killer cover, good old painted, you know,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: bunch of just badass looking dudes on bikes and, you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: carrying weapons and the bikes are all decked out with
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: skulls and all kinds of weird shit.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: You have to have blades poking out so you can
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: stab people while you're driving.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a badass cover.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: And it does look post-apocalyptic there. Again, kind of feeding
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: off which we can get to. So much of this
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: is just of the time. It's just throw all these
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: things that are going on now in a hat. Let's
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: pull a few out and make a movie. And that's
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: kind of what we get in this movie.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: This movie is a three-way derivative. Definitely of Escape from
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: New York.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: See, one of them didn't even occur to me. And
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: that's what's weird. Because as soon as I got to
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: the plot, I was like, so like Escape from New York. Immediately. Immediately.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: And then once I'm watching it, I get to what
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: I'm assuming will be the third one of this. But, yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Well, it's Escape from New York if Rob Morrow is
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: a reverse Snake Plissken.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Which, well, yeah.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: He is going in to get somebody that's in the Bronx,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: but he's the bad guy. And then he has a
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: turn in the third act that basically goes from he's like, okay,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: he's Johnny Badass in sunglasses sneaking through the Bronx and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: killing gang members to full-on, like, Cartoon villain. Cartoon villain.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Mustache twirling.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Big ridiculous laugh.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: It's like, where did this shit come from? He might
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: have just tied a woman to train tracks at this point.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Because it's that over the top. villainous behavior stuff.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: But I guess when you decide to put on like
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: a leather sport coat with giant shoulder pads and a
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: captain's hat that suddenly, you know.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: When he becomes the leather daddy from Village People. That's
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: pretty much his finale outfit.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Actually, he's like the leather daddy from Star Crash.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, really.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not even that. But yeah, it's... For me,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: aside from the Australian genre cinema, the Italians just got it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Um they or didn't in the best possible way.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: But you know they rip off also because this is
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: definitely kind of a little bit of a mad max
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: rip off see that's the.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: One that didn't even occur to me and like i
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: feel like every movie that came out after that the
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: look of the character sort of stole from it but
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: like plot wise again because it's not post-apocalyptic because i
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: mean other than i guess them on bikes that look.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Post-apocalyptic when you get to the second one that's definitely mad.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Maybe that's way more because yeah this one i'm like
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: all i see is the setup is escape from new
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: york and then once you get into the middle part
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: of it it's like okay now it's the warriors yeah
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: exactly which again i was doing the math here i'm
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: like okay warriors is 79 so that's already out we're
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: obviously fully stealing from that one yeah and then 81
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: was escape from new york so it's like.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: We're stealing from that one too so and then uh
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and then uh basically the road warrior was released in
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: 82 but they had the previous one yeah max had
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: already become a while it did well, it had already
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: become a hit in America.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I feel like it's way more of those
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: other two. Mad Max is just a little of the
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: outfits and the ridiculousness of the characters, maybe. But plot-wise, yeah,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: I didn't get much of that. It didn't even occur
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: to me until I started reading all this. And I'm like, well,
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: I guess a little. But I was like, the plot
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: is just total rips off of those other two and
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: then meshed together in a big mess. Oh, yeah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the Italian genre cinema is just To break
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: everything down, this film, its sequel, The New Barbarians, a.k.a.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Warriors of the Wasteland, and then the third film, Escape
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: from the Bronx, were written, prepped, and shot in six months.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: So they were all shot at once or back-to-back-to-back? It
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: had to have been, yeah.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Of course, all three of these movies were released a
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: year with each other. So they had time to edit
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: them and post-production and stuff like that. But yeah, these
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: were all written, prepped, and shot.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: It's just amazing.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And of course, with Italian cinema, the tax laws were
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: a certain percentage of the movie has to be.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Shot in Italy. But it's all the stuff not on
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: the streets, so it doesn't look like it. It's all
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: tunnels and crap. All the interiors. Yeah.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: All the interiors are in Italy. Anything exterior, they actually
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: were in the Bronx.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: And you can tell because it's old-timey times when you
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: had Twin Towers in the background. Yeah. I mean, I
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: know they're there. I watched them in movies for so
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: many years, but it's still weird now. I'm like, oh, look. Oh, yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: Remember when those used to be there?
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: And, of course, this is a time in New York
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: when the Bronx is basically a complete shithole. It was
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: the ghetto of ghettos. There's buildings that are blown out.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: All kinds of just nastiness. Of course, you can definitely
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: tell they've only got maybe about a half a city
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: block to work with for their exteriors. And they're doing the.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Helicopter shot, too. And I'm like, are they looking at
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: the Bronx there? Because it really does look like a war. zone.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Like there's so many burnt out buildings. I'm just like,
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: what the hell was going on in the Bronx in 1981?
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Well, and there was a lot of, basically you'd had
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of, you know, construction projects that were going
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: to happen or buildings being rebuilt and And then they
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: were abandoned or whatever else. So you basically got like
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: partially demolished buildings. You had all kinds of crap like that.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Did you read how the idea for this came together?
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: No.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: It was basically one of the producers. It sounds a
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: little Italian. Fabrizio De Angelis.
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: So he missed a subway train stop for his Manhattan
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: hotel that he was going to and ended up in
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: the South Bronx.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: And within that time, he came out of there and
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: started walking around and he's just like, oh my God,
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: what is... He was like frightened and yet fascinated by
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: what was going on because it was every type of
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: criminal and junkie and like everything looked like it had
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: been bombed out and like he was... He literally, by
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: the time the end of this happened, he already had
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: guys come up to him with switchblades. And he ran
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: away and made it back to his fancy hotel. So
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: he just had this window into the horribleness that was
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: the Bronx. And he went, well, that's it. We're making
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: a movie. His real world experience inspired this. inspired film.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: So I did not know that.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That's he just wrong. Stop on the old subway
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: and look where he ended up in a post-apocalyptic world.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: That is 1990. The future. That's right.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: The, the, and what's, what cracks me, of course, as the,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the series rolls.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Along 1991, uh, is the year for the next film.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: While it does, the thing is, they use a lot
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: of the same actors in all three movies. Because, I mean,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: they're all shot very close together. Very typically, Italian directors
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: and producers had a certain pool of actors, especially American
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: actors who may have been well-known at one point, in
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: their posse of like, I want you for this movie, and.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Yada, yada, yada. That's what's weird, looking at the rundown
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: of this director, and I'm like, there's Fred Williamson again.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: I'm like, did you owe him a favor? Yeah. he
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: just needed some work, but like.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, Fred Williamson spent a large amount of his career
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: just living in Italy doing Italian films.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: I believe it. Cause yeah, he just sort of shows
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: up at first. I thought he was just going to
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: have that one off scene at the beginning. I was like, Whoa,
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: was that it? They just cashed in that one favor.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Luckily by the end he gets a good amount of
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: screen time. So he's, he's, and he's really fun as
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: he always is. But yeah, I was just like, what
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: a weird out of place moment for you. And it's
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: like in the middle of this Italian production and he
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: just rolls up and His scenes weren't even in Italy either.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: I think they said his stuff, he was in Rome
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: at the time. So all of his fancy little area
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: of the world where he was laid out was all
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: in Rome.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: And the final scene was in Rome too.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: Interesting. What a world.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: He's in the second film as well as a protagonist.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: He's one of the two main protagonists. but doesn't show
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: up until almost halfway through the movie.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which again, that's when he had that one little moment,
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: and then I was like, that's why I thought maybe
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: he's just done already. That's what I love.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I've talked before about Blind Rage, which is basically another
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: genre film that was, I think it was Mexican made,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I think. But basically it was five blind guys, some
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: were vets, some were other things, but five blind guys
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: pulling off a bank job. And then Fred Williamson's supposed
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to be like the super cop that takes them down.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: But he literally shows up in the last 15 minutes
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: of the movie. Again, I'm cashing in this favor.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Here we go. Yeah, he answers a phone call. All right,
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: I'm on my way.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Puts down the phone, gets in the car, shows up
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: at a scene where they've already busted the dudes. He
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: gets out of his car, punches two dudes, and then
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: end of the movie.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, who doesn't want Fred Williamson in their movie?
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: I'll take it. I would like him in more.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: It's like they made great use of him in From
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Dusk Till Dawn because he's in a large chunk of
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: the movie.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: I would like Fred Williamson more.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: In my movie. He's a great persona.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: He's always fun. He has a lot of charisma. He
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: chews some scenery.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Vic Morrow is Hammer, the snake pliskin guy who's supposed.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: To kill men. He's definitely very snake pliskin-y. Without the charm.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: No offense to Vic Morrow, which this is its own
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: sad little movie because this is the last completed movie
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: of his life. No, well... Completed. Yeah. Completed movie. He's
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: in another one right after this. Well, that's why they said...
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: It's not that everybody wasn't going to have bad dubbing done,
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: but his was totally done by somebody else because he
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: was gone by the time this movie was getting dubbed
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: and getting finalized. He was already not with us anymore
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: for a reason you might have heard about. I guess
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: we don't have to get into, but it is weird
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: that there are some decapitations in this movie. Some mention
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: of bringing her in on a helicopter. There's a lot
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: of weird things. I don't think they knew, but it's
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: really weird listening to it now going, huh?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have one very distinct decapitation in this movie,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: and there is a usage of a helicopter, though it's
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: not involved in the decapitation.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: And the, whoever the suit guy is, every time they
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: cut to him, I'm like, do we care about these
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: old men? But the one says, if you don't bring
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: her back to me, I'll have your head. Oh, that's
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: an unfortunate line in this point in time. But what
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: are you going to do?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And if you don't know who we're referring to, folks,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: check out Twilight Zone the movie.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which actually you won't see that scene. But it
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: does not... It's amazing to me the stuff that ends
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: up on the internet. Because I ended up back down
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: that rabbit hole again. I've seen it a few times.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: And every time it's disturbing. Yeah, it is. You can
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: see the footage of what went down on the Twilight
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: Zone set. And it's horrifying. Like, way more horrifying than
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: anything that goes on in the Twilight Zone movie. And
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: I don't hate that movie. But it is not near
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: as disturbing as what goes on in the actual footage that.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: It is rough. On Shudder, the series of Cursed Films,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: they do an episode and you see some of that footage.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they show that. Well, I'd seen like a long
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: time ago they released one that was like from a distance.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: Like it was one of the cameras up on a
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: pole or something from really far away and you get
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: a wide shot of like the helicopter coming down. But
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: the one they showed on the Shudder one and the
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: one that's now on the freaking internet, it's up close.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Like it is right there where they were filming and
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: like it is disturbing. Yeah. So Yeah, it's... So, not
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: good times for Vic Morrow. I don't know how much
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: fun he had making this movie, but by the next movie,
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: things are not good. Yeah, it's not happy times, yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: But yeah... Rest in peace, Vic Morrow.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: No kidding, yeah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: He did not deserve that. So, but yeah, Hammer, not
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: really a charmer. Not really a... What? Because Snake has
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: his own, like, Charisma. He's still a bastard, but you
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: kind of have to love him.
• 46:47
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: You don't really have that with Hammer. Hammer's just a dick.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: He's just a dick. He's just a dick.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, it's so complicated with who Anne is.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Because at first, you first meet her, and I love
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: the opening credit sequence. Was that just like the costume tests?
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: They just decided, we'll string together all the costume test footage.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: I'm watching that and I'm writing it down. I'm like,
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: what's up with these weird close-ups as our intro to
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: the credit scene? There is a real reason why. If
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: you don't know, would you like to know why they
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: have those intro credits? Because in true this movie and
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: probably every other one he shot for him, It was
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: raining that day and he didn't want to lose a
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: day of shooting. So they shot all of those weird
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: close-ups inside so that they'd have a day of shooting done.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: So that's why we have those weird opening credits. Which
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: is funny because there are things in it that you're like,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: why the hell are we looking at this? And then
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: later it actually comes up like the weird blade in
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: the boot thing. I'm like, why are we looking at it?
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: And that's just a weird... And then later it shows
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: up and you're like, oh. Well, yeah, I guess I
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: knew that was there because I watched the credits. So
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: there's several of those weird little moments. You're like, oh,
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: the claws from the witch lady. Yeah. Same thing. It's like, oh,
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: she does have those. We saw those at the very beginning. Like,
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: so they all come into play. Yeah, she's Fred Williamson's second-in-command.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: Did they even give her a name? He just kept
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: calling her Witch, I think. Yeah, you're right. Because I
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: kept calling her Sorceress. I was like, look out, Sorceress! Yeah,
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: she's Witch, and his name is The Ogre. The Ogre.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: Why would you call him The Ogre? None of these... Yeah,
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: everybody has a dumb, made-up name. And I'm like, it's
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: fun again for what it is. But after a while,
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, really? Well, a lot of the writers, guys, like,
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: you know, are Mark Gregory, our lead dude. He's trash.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: It's like, okay, that makes sense. What a charming name.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: And then, like, the conniving general guy who's, like, a
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: cross between John Denver and Bill Pullman.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. He's ice. Ice. You know?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: And why is it, do we have two double crossers?
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Because they got the hot dog guy who's driving the
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: semi truck through town, which why is he driving a
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: semi truck through the Bronx?
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: And is it just me? Or does the other guy
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: refer to him as hot dog when he comes up
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: and like they get in the truck, but I'm like,
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: they've never met before. So why would he know his
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: actual name within the context of this movie is hot dog. Exactly.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: Cause he read the screenplay. I was like, did you
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: just call him his actual name again? i was just
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: like i kept waiting going did they know each other
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: but i don't think they did i think they just
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: were ahead of page and went oh yeah that guy's
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: hot dog I thought he was just calling him that
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: being a smartass. But then later I'm like, no, that's
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: what Hammer's calling him too. That's his actual quote unquote
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: name within the context of this movie. So I feel
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: like that was a little off in the writing. Maybe
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: I'm wrong.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: But then this movie has the pleasure of having two
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: of my favorite genre actors who did a ton of
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Italian movies. One of them being George Eastman, who he's
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: only got a small role in this one. In the
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: next movie, he's got a much bigger bad guy role.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: He's only got a little bad guy role, but he
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: has his.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Moments where he's Gollum. He's definitely chewing the scenery himself.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he gets a fight with Fred Williamson
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: that's pretty tight. But then the guy who's kind of
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: like the... I don't know, the lead suit, that's... He's
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: billed as Thomas Elliot, or Thomas.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: No, Thomas Fisher.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: But he's really a Neo-Girolami, and he's always got, like...
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: His mustache is very distracting because he's got blonde hair
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: and a blonde mustache. Anybody with a blonde mustache is
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: always very distracting to me.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an odd look. But when you.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Especially the way he's used in the second film. He
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: has got, like, the most gorgeous hair.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: In the second film, the character plays Shadow. But yeah,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: so he's just, he's a great Italian, you know, genre actor. Like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: he just looks bored for the entire movie he's in.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: You don't necessarily, like, he's kind of in charge, but
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: he still answers to the vice president of what?
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Well, again, everything in this is so, like,
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: just grand, made-up nonsense. Like, the, what is the, she's
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: gonna take over the Manhattan Corporation? I was like, So
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: the most generic made-up name ever for a corporation that
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: also controls the weapons of the future and the world
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: as a whole. I was just like, what? It's so
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: basic and made-up and generic.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're thinking like, okay, maybe she's like the mayor's
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: daughter or the governor's daughter or the president's daughter.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: The president's daughter. Something along those lines. The president of
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: a made-up corporation.
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: She's basically an heiress to the world's biggest corporation that
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: essentially runs the country. So she's the richest woman in
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: the world or about to be. And she's only like
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: in the movie, she's only supposed to be 17. She
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: looks like she's like 27.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: That's what I said. Cause she's like, I'm about to
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: turn 18. I'm like, you look easily 26 at best. Like,
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: which again, real world, her connection. Pretty sure that is
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: the director's daughter. Yeah. I think they pulled a Godfather three.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: I think he had somebody in mind. It fell through
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: and he went, well, here you go. You get to
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: be in my movie. And much like that, she said
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: she enjoyed it, but not so much, you know, worried
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: about being the star of the movie, but on her
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: days off, she got to be assistant DP and got
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: to do behind the scenes stuff. So there you go.
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: She's the little Sophia. We didn't even know. Yeah.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Actually, she's the producer's daughter.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Uh, but it, Jumping way ahead towards the end of
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: the movie, the scene where Fred Williamson's character brings out
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: the big birthday cake, which I guess is like a giant... Okay,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: it's a post-apocalyptic sort of.
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: Kind of, maybe.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Unlike Escape from New York, where the entire city of
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: New York City is cordoned off from the rest of
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: the country and all the prisoners put there, they just
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: did that with the Bronx. Like, okay, we just cordoned
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: off the Bronx out of the rest of New York.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: But everything else is fine and normal-ish. Right.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: All the shitheels are in the Bronx, and then everything
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: else with the rest of the city and the rest
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: of the boroughs are fine.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: You know, business as usual.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, there's no problem with getting resources. Because apparently
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: you can get this giant elaborate birthday cake that looks
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: like the city of New York.
• 53:11
  Speaker 10: That was very elaborate, by the way. That might have
• 53:13
  Speaker 10: been half the budget right there. And then everybody starts
• 53:16
  Speaker 10: singing Happy Birthday to her. It's kind of like, did we...
• 53:20
  Speaker 10: Did we say it was her birthday anywhere? Or was
• 53:24
  Speaker 10: this literally a moment, like a candid moment where it
• 53:28
  Speaker 10: was the actress' actual birthday? It might have actually been
• 53:30
  Speaker 10: her birthday.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Because it almost seems.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Like everybody kind of breaks character when we're singing happy birthday.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: It's a very intriguing scene.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if the ogre could afford that cake,
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: but I bet her dad could. It might have been
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: one her dad had made up. I mean, the ogre
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: had a whole band.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Hanging out, playing music for him.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: Not very good music. She was way better by the end. Yeah,
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: she was. But yeah, his cheesy, sort of jazzy, but
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: not even as good as jazz. I was just like,
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: why don't we play in here? Fred Williamson, I expected
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: better music from you.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I will say, though, that the score for the film,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I love it. Oh, yeah. Walter Rosati did the score.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: He did tons of Italian movies. But especially the main theme.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Love that theme. Great drums in there. You know, just
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: hit it. And speaking of drummers.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, if we don't bring it up.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: There's a scene basically towards the opening of the movie
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: where once we've picked up and we've saved Anne from
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: these other hooligans and she's hanging out with the writers
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: and trash. And they get back to their home base.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: And there's some dude just playing the drums by himself.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Like he's... playing the solo in Santana's Soul Sacrifice, but
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: the rest of the band isn't with him. So he's
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: just going ham all by himself.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: I don't think he was part of the band because, again,
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: looking at the behind-the-scenes stuff, they said that guy was
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: just out there. And the director went, all right, we'll
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: use him. So he wasn't even part of the production.
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: He was just a weird dude out on the waterfront
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: playing drums. And they were like, Production value! Let's go
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: with it! Because, yeah, they don't explain them. And that's
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: why it's not explained. Because it wasn't explained in the
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: real world. Just a weird, crazy dude playing drums on
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: the waterfront.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's a little confusing because all the guys
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: get up back to their home base and one of
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: their own is dead. He got impaled on a log
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: on the waterfront.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: Which, again, they don't explain that either. You're just like, oh,
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: a dead guy. All right. And he's upset about it.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: And then it turns out, oh, maybe this guy... was
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: an informant. And, of course, we find that later in
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: the movie that it actually was Ice, and Ice was
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: just covering.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: His own ass. And, again, why we have.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the hot dog guy is an informant for
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Hammer and helping him throughout the thing, but then also
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Ice is trying to help out Hammer... Only because he
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't like that his, basically his boyfriend, Trash, is now
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: hanging out with this girl. And she's all rich and
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: whatever else. And that's not us.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: He wants to take over his group. But at the
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: same time, he's also working with the Gollum guy. And
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: by the end, like, he's screwing everybody over.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: He's screwing everybody over, yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: And just like, this guy sucks.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: And then he does have a knife in his boot.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: A knife in his boot. Yeah. Along with it. And
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: this was my weird, like. Sometimes I think, and maybe
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: it didn't help that it was Italy, but I feel
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: like Italy more than anybody would understand World War II references.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: But the fact that one of the guys in the
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: group at the beginning has a swastika on his old
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: time military helmet. Yeah. And then Ice's outfit is essentially
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: just a German military outfit from World War II. It
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: looks kind of SS like. And I'm like. do you
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: guys know what any of that is? Like your, your
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: band of guys is the most mixed race bunch of dudes.
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: So like, that's cool and all, but you shouldn't be
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: into the Nazi thing. I was like, unless they just
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: don't even know what it means. Like it's post-apocalyptic times
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: and it's just a symbol and they don't know what
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: it means anymore. But I feel like ice would know
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: what it means. So yeah, I don't know. That was
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: just like mixing our symbolisms. Because I was like, every
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: race and group of people is in your little gang. Yeah.
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: If you were really into Nazism, I don't think you'd
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: be comfortable with everybody that's there.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Well, again, it's the thing about the swastikas. The swastika
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: is a symbol that's like thousands of years old and
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: has meant a multitude of things before Hitler and the
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: boys got a hold of it.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: But in 1981, you know better.
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Or 1990, whatever world we think we're in at this point.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: I just thought that was weird. It's only there for
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: a second. They don't reference it. But I was just like,
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: that just seems like bad planning on your part behind
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: the scenes.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: You will find as you go throughout the rest of
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: the trilogy here, there is a lot of confusing points
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: that basically like concepts are brought up in some points
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: of the other sequels. And like a person claims, I
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: don't know anything about that. And it's nowhere near possible
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: for that person to not know anything about that because
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: it's been like less than a generation.
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Basically, a nuclear war happens like less than a year
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: later from the first film to the second film. And
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: there's people explaining concepts to each other. Like, I don't
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: know what that is.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: Like, dude, that was like last week. You were just here.
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: You're 40 years old.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: You should have remembered what thing, unless everybody's memories got
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: wiped when the bomb hit.
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: It's a new fancy bomb that also wipes out your brain.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a lot of stuff. Like, it makes
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: sense if you don't think about it. You just have
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: to hold that precept throughout all three of these movies.
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That was just a weird, and I could almost
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: give up the jacket because if he just wore it
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: because he thinks it's a cool looking jacket and he's
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: in a motorcycle gang because no, again, it bothers me
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: that the SS outfits look so damn cool. I'm like,
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: damn it. Don't be cool. But I mean, those gray
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: outfits are fucking awesome looking.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: So I'm like the all black shit and got.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: Skulls on them and shit. And I'm like, okay, if
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: that didn't mean what it means, I would think that's cool,
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: but fuck you guys. So yeah, I was like, I can,
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: and ice is an asshole. So like, yeah, I can
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: understand that one. I would always get just like, take
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: that shot of the helmet out. And like, it's not
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: as confusing, I guess, but that was a weird moment
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: of like, what are you doing, guys? And let's talk
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: about the biker gang.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of gangs I really want to talk about,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: but let's talk about our biker gang.
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: First, the Riders. First we get to the opening credits.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: One of the things you get to is action sequences
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: are brought to us by Rocky's stuntman team.
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: And the Hells Angels. Yes. So, these are actual Hells
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: Angels mixed in with our actors.
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: And you can kind of tell. A lot of them
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: look like Hells Angels.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's ones that are very... What's kind of funny,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: they almost kind of pull the same thing with the Warriors.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: Because, you know, in the big.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: gang meet scene at the beginning of the movie, there
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: are a lot of real gang members.
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think you could get that many
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: people together there and not have a bunch of gang members.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they literally went out and recruited, you know,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: for that. And so, you know, some of the stars
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: of the movie would tell you, like, oh, yeah, basically, like,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: you're standing around talking to somebody, like.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, who's your agent? Who are you represented by? You know,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: it's like.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: No one?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I've run with the such and suches.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: I'm in charge of this one because I killed a guy.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: So that's how I got to be where I am. Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: I took over the gang after I murdered the other guy. Oh,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: I'm going to craft services. Bye.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: So you kind of get reverse of that or a
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: bit of that where it's like, oh, you got actual
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Hells Angels and the biker gang. But let's talk about
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: those bikes for a second. Because, for one, those aren't Harleys.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, there's a big close-up of that Honda, and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: I'm like, are the Hells Angels okay with Hondas? Yeah,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: they're all riding Hondas. I was like, that seems weird.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: While Hondas are effective as a motorcycle.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: They're fine. I know plenty of people who swear by
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: Honda versus, you know, Harleys. So, whatever.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: But if you're talking about a vicious-looking biker gang, you're
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: seeing them on... Honda motorcycles that have basically Halloween decoration
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: skulls mounted on the front. They couldn't even get real
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: skulls or fake skulls. They're glowing Halloween skulls. That sold
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: it more for me, actually. I saw it and was like,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I want to bike with a skull on the front
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: That lights up. That's awesome. But again, I'm not in
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: the Hells Angels. Surprise.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: The only cool aesthetic is at the beginning of the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: movie when Anne is being accosted by the other gang
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: members and the writers are coming up and you see
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: an imprint on the wall of a skull.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Bust out like an old school Spider-Man thing. He used
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: to do that back in the day, like a little
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: thing from his belt that had projected an image.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was cool. I was surprised it looked as
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: cool as it did. And they only did that once.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: But here's the thing that, while we're on the skulls,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: the thing that made no sense is it also wasn't
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: on everybody's. So I was like, was it just... Only
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: the leader types get it? Because then there's, like, they're
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: going down that lineup, and it's like, okay, our main
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: people that have, like, speaking roles all have it. And then, like, nobody, nobody... Wait,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: that guy's got one. And then nobody, nobody... Like, it's
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: a bunch of regular old bikes. I was like, so...
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: Pick one. Like, which is it? Like, everybody gets them?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: Or only the hierarchy that runs this gets them? But, like,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: why is it like, oh, and that random guy over
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: there that says nothing, and we never see again after
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: they ride off? Like, it just seems sloppy? Or just
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: not planned out at all, one or the other.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: And I love, too, you basically, like, you know, aside
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: from Trash and Ice, you've got two other biker gang
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: guys who have larger speaking roles. They're not named. So, basically,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: you've got Beret Guy and Mustache Sunglasses. you know and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: mustache sunglasses like looks like you know a leather daddy
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: who they picked up from the bar and said hey
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: you want to be in this movie.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 12: And there he goes and probably yeah and of course
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 12: like that's where they got it and I love too
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 12: because apparently his death like Trash gets really upset when
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 12: this guy dies or gets like he gets tortured and
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 12: gets to Have a moment of talking to trash before
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 12: he passed away.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: Did you notice, too, like, one of his.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Like, his hand was broken at the wrist. Did you see, like,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: a bone sticking out? And it was very gross looking.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: I was like, they really went to a little extra
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: trouble to make his hand look all jacked up.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: But the rope was still tied around his hand.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: It's like, your wrist.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Literally, the bone is barely.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: Like, one of the bones is not attached. There's one bone...
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: that's left hanging on, and why is he still tied
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: to the... It was a very weird marionette-looking thing. I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: was just like, why is he like that? But it
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: looks weird. It was good makeup. It looks horrific, but
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: at the same time, I'm like, I don't know practically
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: why it's like that.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: But Trash gets all upset when this guy dies. Well,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: the thing is, I guess the unnamed couple that get
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: shot by Hammer... Towards the beginning of the movie, too.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: They get a whole funeral scene with that bizarre funeral music, too,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: by the way.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: And another really long drive. It takes a while for
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: this movie to get going because we get a lot
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: of dudes in suits talking that barely factors into what's
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: going on. And then we do the ride at the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: beginning with the drummer. And then two scenes later, a
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: whole other lengthy ride back to the waterfront. And I
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: was like, this is a lot of driving around for
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: the fistful of funerals. They all throw a handful of
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: ashes that I feel like if you just randomly burn
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: some people, they wouldn't turn into that pulverized ash. That's
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: like they went to a funeral home and got the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: actual goods versus what would happen if you just lit
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: someone on fire.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: And why is it, too, that when they, okay, I
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: could see the whole significance. Like every gang member has
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: a handful of ash and they're going to go throw
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: it into the river. But the way they did that,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: they barely pull up to the waterfront. They throw their
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: ash while still on their bikes. And basically all the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: ash blows in the next dude's face.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: It becomes sort of that Big Lebowski thing. I'm like, oh.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: You're dusting it off of yourself. It's a Big Lebowski
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: thing 14 times. I know. You just watch every person go, oh,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: that didn't go well. Oh, that one didn't go well either. Oh,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: this is it. Who came up with this burial at
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: sea that doesn't make it to the sea? Oh, my God.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: Burial on your neighbor's face. Oh, it's... It's awkward. Very awkward.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: It's brilliant.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Again, that's what I love about movies like this. There's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: stupid shit all around, but you just buy the ticket,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: take the ride.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, it is why I've been so drawn to... Well, hell,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: before the show. As a kid, I remember just watching...
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: these kind of movies and just being like this is
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: amazing that this thing exists yeah and that's still what
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: brings me back to this day like we've done so
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: many weird ones on the show and like just getting
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: to this one here i'm like it's the same thing
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: i'm like what the fuck what is going on in
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: this movie and like it just does not disappoint when
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: it gets to so many moments of How is this
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: a thing? And how did this become a movie? And
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: I'm still watching it right now, and I'm enjoying the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: hell out of myself. It's weird.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, we've got to get to our star, Mark Gregory, here,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: who plays Trash. Now, this kid, like, this was his
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: second movie that he did. The producers really, they loved it.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: In this first movie, he looks great.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: He's got a great fit. He is ripped. He's got
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: a ripped physique. The dude is ripped. There's a reason
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: he's not wearing a shirt.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: He's got the good hair. He's got a vest. Yeah,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: he's pulled a swan in this one.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, in true warrior's form. Just a vest. And I'm ripped.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: Look at me.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: Well, shit.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: If I look like Michael Beck in 1981, I would
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: wear a vest. Yeah, no shirt for me either, dude.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Just be walking around all day. So he's very much
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: like he's got the good hair. This dude just looks great.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: By the time you get to the third film, which
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: is really only two years later... you know, when it
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: was released, but this was like at the end of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: six months, for some reason, he looks worse when you
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: get to escape from the Bronx.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: He's got a beard gut at that point.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: No, it's just, it's, you know, the physique is still
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: kind of there, but like, it looks like he's tired
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: or strung out.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: Well, maybe so. Yeah.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, cause Gregory, you know, like he did nothing
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: you all have heard of. This was probably his biggest
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: film to date. He, there was a, Action series called Thunder,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: where he did like three movies of those. He did
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: a bunch of other action movies. Was it Delta Force Commando?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: When you're a stellar actor like Mark, I mean... Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Ultimate Mission. Just a Damned Soldier is another one. Oh,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: and then his last movie in 1989 was Afghanistan, The
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Last War Bus.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: Well, of course. I mean... Yeah. And then he... Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: But the interesting thing is that I think like on
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: the box set of the trilogy, there's a documentary that
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: somebody did called Looking for Trash.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: It was probably like about 10 years ago or so.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: They went looking for this guy because he was this
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: kind of genre star for a little bit, kind of
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: a young up and comer and had basically about a
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: six-year career and boom, gone. And he died of cancer,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: I think, in the early 2000s. Was living abroad or whatnot. But, yeah,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: I just, you know, don't know what happened to this dude.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: But I was very curious to see that documentary.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: They, again, I was trying to figure out because I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: knew they brought up why, like, he just. Because, again,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: his acting is a little.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Forced.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: Nonsense.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: We were born dead. Life means nothing. We live with
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: death every single day. Death walks with us. Death rides
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: and sleeps with us. We carry its smell under our skins.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: So don't go blaming yourself. What's the real reason?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: And I.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: Was like, where the hell did this guy come from?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: According to the internet, which, believe what you will on there,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: but it says they, like, They found him at the gymnasium.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: That I believe. Look at him. But he frequented in Rome.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: And he was known for being very quiet and stood
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: out due to his physique. And he was once a
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: worker at a local shoe store. And his fiance played
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: a prank on him and sent his photos in to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: this film company. And they called him in for an audition.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: And he wound up beating out 2,000 other applicants to
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: play trash. Yeah. So, again... He was, and the other
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: thing that's crazy, he was 17, according to this, at
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: the time. I was like, dude, you look like that
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: at 17?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, to be 17 years old, never acted according
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: to this. He worked at a freaking shoe store and
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: have somebody be like, look, we're going to put you
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: in this movie. And so, I mean, I guess he
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: does what he can. But yeah, his, some of those lines,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: and not just him, I mean, The daughter almost is– again,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know if she'd acted before this either because
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: their dialogue back and forth sometimes is the most broken, disconnected,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: unenthusiastic delivery. I was just like, what is going on?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: But again, when you pull people that aren't really professional,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: this is kind of what you get. Absolutely.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: But it's– Odd, too, because, you know, for the most
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: part of the movie, Trash is the main guy. And
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: then about midway through the movie, when he hooks up
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: with Fred Williamson's character, Fred starts kind of taking over.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because he's way more charismatic. Yeah.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: And then so basically by the end of the movie,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: you're following Fred Williamson's character and Trash is like hanging
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: out in the corner.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: Well, and then you don't know where you're supposed to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: be in the middle there because in the beginning they're
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: already talking about Hammer. And again, if we're like, well,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: if this is the Escape from New York ripoff, like
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: that's our hero. So we get into it and like, well,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: he's not really in it much. Now we're watching Trash.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: So it's like he's not even in it for a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: long time. Then when he does show up, you're like,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: this guy kind of sucks. Yeah. Where are we supposed
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: to be with him? Are we following him? Are we
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: following Trash? Then Fred Williamson comes in and is like,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: who's our character in this movie? And why do we care?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: And you're slightly sympathetic to Anne because she doesn't want
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: to be the richest woman in the world and do
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: all this corporate stuff. And she wants to stay with
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Trash in the Bronx. So she willingly wants to go
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: to the Bronx.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I like that. They make a point of like,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: what the hell? This woman has everything and she goes
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: to the Bronx.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: And I love to like, okay. So when we first
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: see her, she's running across the Brooklyn bridge, I guess,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: or whatever else. So she's running across the bridge from
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Manhattan going towards the Bronx. And she's in like this,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: like white leathery kind of looking outfit, hair looking disheveled,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: whatever else. The next time we see her after she's
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: rescued by the writers, they haven't got back to their
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: base yet.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: They just picked her up.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: She's had a wardrobe change to where she's wearing a
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: denim shirt and a black vest that she has on
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: for the rest of the movie. And her hair has
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: obviously been touched.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: Well, I like that we also get to, once we
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: get to the more, the middle part where we get
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: to the more Warriors-esque. Yeah. Where, again, and the most
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: ripoff thing about it is not just that we got
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: to get from here to here and we're going to
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: run into people, but they also have their own ridiculous thing.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: So in the very beginning we meet our, like, group
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: of extras from Starlight Express. Then I'm like, okay, this
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: goes back to one of my running themes of, like,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: The future is roller skates. There is a weird from
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: the mid 70s into the early 90s where futuristic world
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: had to have roller skates involved, especially if it was
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: a bunch of crazy kids. So, yeah, after I had
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: a back to back era of watching Solar Babies and
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: Prayer of the Roller Boys. Or prayer for the roller,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: whatever the hell it was. And like, I was just like, okay,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: this is it. This is your post-apocalyptic future revolves around
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: kids wearing roller skates.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: And then let's not forget Rollerball.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: And of course Rollerball. So, I mean, yeah, it's like,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: so in building my post-apocalyptic world out of Lego people,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: which of course I have done, I did do a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: whole group of teenagers and they're all wearing roller skates. So, again,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: this was just more reinforcement of that. Once we get
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: to the very first thing, I'm like, of course this
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: is the future of 1990 and a bunch of weirdos
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: are on roller skates. So, again, sort of stealing that
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: one little moment in Warriors and be like, what if
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: we put a bunch of guys on roller skates and
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: give them these weird football player shoulder pads that look
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: a little more like Starlight Express than football players.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: And they're carrying hockey sticks.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: And they have hockey sticks. So, again, they really... It
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: is Starlight Express all.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: Of a sudden.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: But.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Burying the lead here because you've got that gang, you've
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: got the scavengers, which basically those guys hang out in
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: the caves and they are wearing rags and have cake
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: paint on their face.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: This was very Broadway-esque for me. And I don't have
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: a lot of Broadway ties. I'm not overly Broadway. But
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, you mean the group of leftover lepers
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: from Jesus Christ Superstar? Because they're all wearing rags and
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: they've got horrible looking faces. And they're one shade from
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: a zombie, but they're not quite there yet. They just
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: look like lepers. So, again, we've got Starlight Express. We've got...
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: The cast outs from Jesus Christ Superstar. And then we
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: get to the big Broadway group.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Because there's basically outcasts, I guess, from a chorus line.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: They are so a chorus line. It's ridiculous, isn't it?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Because, okay, you've got a gang of people. It's not
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: a very large gang. You see about four people in
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: this gang here. But a gang of about four or
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: five people here who are in gold top hats, gold vests,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: tap shoes, and canes. But they also have their faces
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: painted up somewhere across between the Legion of Doom and KISS.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: Or, once again, the other thing everybody remembers from the Warriors.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: Guys in makeup in a gang. So I'm like, this
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: is a weird mixture of that, too, mixed with fussy.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, literally like when they get in the scene and
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: the whole fight scene is choreographed, timed to the music.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: It's like a.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like the writers are getting their asses kicked
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: by the chorus line people.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: By the Broadway babies.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, so it's a great moment for theater kids.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: Like, hey, guess what?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: You can be badasses and know how to flatball change.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: You know? I mean, if at any point in this
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: movie you're going to say, what the fuck is going
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: on right now? That's it. And there are many other
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: times to say that during this movie. But that may
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: be the peak moment of, what are we watching? And
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: it's such a brief scene. It's like, I want more
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: of these guys.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: I was like, why is there no story? Why are
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: they like this? And why are they kicking our guys' asses?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: There needs to be more of an explanation as to
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: why they're here and what they're doing and why they're
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: such badasses. But no, we don't really get any of that.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: And here's another thing that doesn't make sense either. Okay,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: so the people in the cake paint and the rags,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: they're known as the scavengers. But Fred Williamson's group, who
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: basically he's the ogre, his main chick is the witch,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: and they got a couple other people in there too.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: They're known as the zombies. Which that's what I kept
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: thinking they were. Every time they referenced them, I'm like, oh,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: the ones that almost look like zombies. And then later
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: I was like, wait, no, that's not who they're talking about.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: Those are the scavengers. Yeah. It makes no sense.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: And I was like, why isn't Fred Williamson's group the scavengers?
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Because he's like the king of the Bronx.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: He has all the resources. He took over everything. He
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: took over. He has all the resources and delves them
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: out as he needs to. Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: And none of his gang... Basically, they all look like
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: they jumped off of Guys and Dolls, and they're driving
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: ZZ Top's car.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: They all look like they're rich people hanging out in Rome. Oh, wait,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: they were.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: I think those were just people he was hanging out
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: with in Rome.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if they were cast. Yeah, but
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: it's like... So all the zombies are in, like, you know...
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know what those, like, dragster cars are, but
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: basically it's like the cover... Off the cover of Eliminator
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: from ZZ Top.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: They did four fucking videos of that car.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: Anyway. You know, so.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: That sort of thing. So they're the zombies, and then
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: the scavengers are the guys who look like zombies.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: But aren't zombies.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Aren't zombies, yes.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: I still think they might be lepers. They probably are.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're effective because they take out a couple
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: of our guys. As creepy and animalistic as I guess
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: they are, they become the most deadly of them because...
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: They keep coming, much like zombies. They attack in mass
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: droves and start taking people out.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, beret and mustache sunglasses both get killed.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: By the zombies. So, yeah, they're not a joke. It's
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: just weird that, once again, we have no explanation, no backstory.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: It's just like, this is what happens when you venture
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: out into the Bronx. And I love it, too. You
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: run into zombies.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: And I love it, too, because no one is surprised
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: when I... is discovered of being the, the turncoat for everybody.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: No one is surprised by this. Everybody already like, Hey,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: he is an ass. He is an asshole, but I
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: guess it was kind of like, okay. But when hot
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: dog is found to be an informant as well, the
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: guy they didn't know at the first time you made them,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: but you know, there you go.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: It's so weird.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, you don't know this guy, but there's apparently
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: some sort of familiarity between him, both groups, but you're
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: shocked and surprised. And this guy's a turncoat too.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: And it's like, And at the same time, when you're
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: chasing Hammer from the very beginning. when you find out
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: he exists he jumps in his truck and he's driving
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: him around so you should know he's in cahoots with
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: him he was giving him a ride to escape from
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: you like why is any of it a shock like
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: you know he's working with him And.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Of course, there's not a lot of justice in it
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: either because Hot Dog realizes the errors of his ways
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm done with all this crap. And
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: then Ice ends up killing him with the boot knife
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: because we knew that was coming somewhere.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: Or we didn't and went, oh, that's why they showed
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: that at the beginning. That's what my take on it was.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, there it is. Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: So evil John Denver gets to kill the other informant
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: with the boot knife. But then, of course, you know,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: then Trash and Ice get to have a fight, and
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Ice ends up getting impaled. I love it, too. Trash's
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: weapon gets thrown away, and then Ice gets knocked off
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: the same ledge that the weapon was thrown away that
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: just so happens to be sticking a pointy end, and
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: then he gets impaled on it. That was a lot
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: of convenience.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: Another running theme through it. I was like, because I
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: knew our shirtless dude had this, but then I was like, well,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: they all have, like, bedazzled pointy sticks, like, I want
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: a special pointy stick to stab people with. But all
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: of our main, again, about the same ones that have
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: glowing skulls also get to have the same weapon of choice. Yeah.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: And they all get a pointy stick that has rivets
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: sticking out of it. It's very fancy looking. It's some
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: kind of, like, everybody gets fancy walking sticks. Ogre's got
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: a fancy walking stick. There's a sword cane. Yeah. He's
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: just pimping. I mean, that seems very fitting for him.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, it's like, there's so much in this movie
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: that's fun. There's also a lot in this movie that's like,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: what the fuck?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: What are we watching? Yeah.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: And that is the glory of Italian genre cinema.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. But there's just... There's so much along the
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: way that I don't understand. Oh.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: Wait.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you. I really want to get to the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: other two films. Especially because.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: I'm game. I do want to... I don't know if
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: we want to do one. I mean, we definitely have
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: other stuff coming up in between. Oh, sure. As far
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: as this series... Do we want to mix it up
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: with other things and then return to it? Or just
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: knock out three in a row?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Well, because I have recently seen The New Barbarians, a.k.a.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: Warriors of the Wasteland, very recently. But it's been a
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: long time since I've seen Escape from the Bronx, so
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: I'd have to brush up on that one.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, we'll definitely work in the other two somewhere
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: in the semi-near future.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, but just so brilliant.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: It's a.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: The Italian genre cinema was like blatant rip-offs and I
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit production.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: Which is a magic combination.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: And it really is. It somehow is still charming. There's
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: some levels of entertainment in there.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: Whereas the Australian cinema.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: What's fun about their genre movies is how insane everything is.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Like, take the original Mad Max. That movie was like
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: full on within the... Great period of Australian genre cinema.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: It started like, I guess, kind of in like 69,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: and it went all the way to maybe like 93, 94.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Just all kinds of, you know, you got sexy rock
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: comedy movies with plenty of boobs in it. You had
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: horror movies. You had thrillers, action flicks. And almost every
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: one of them had something horribly offensive in them. Stuff
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: you couldn't get away with in today's markets. You would
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: have PETA. You'd have human rights people against you.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. Not even thinking about that kind of stuff.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: Which I have one for this, too, but continue.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, but yeah, Turkey Shoot. Let's, I mean, Turkey Shoot.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: That's fine. Sure, we can do that now.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Watch that movie and see if you can get away
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: with anything in there. Like, even some of the, like,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Steve Railsback has played one of the leads in Turkey Shoot,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: and he talks about, like, I look back at that
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: movie today, I'm like, how.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: Did I survive?
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: Because there's a couple of times where there's a prisoner
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: escape or something like that.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: Because the whole thing.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: With Turkey Shoot is you get, it's kind of a
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: deadliest game, hunger game, sort of thing like that. Prisoners
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: on an island made to fight their way to freedom,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: sort of thing like that. But there's a scene where
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: prisoners are trying to escape and the guards are shooting
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: at them. And you see the rocks kind of exploding
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: and sort of things. No, people were actually shooting at them.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: They were just missing on purpose and hitting them. It
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: was like, there were like a couple inches, if not
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: maybe less than a foot away from us.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: That seems fine. I'm sure the producers would be okay
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: with that. Well, I was trying to, because yeah, that's
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: my go-to for that crazy period. And I was trying
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: to remember what the year was because I thought it
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: was pretty early. 74. Have you ever seen The Cars
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: That Ate Paris?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: So weird. Because it's, again, poster. One of the coolest
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: posters ever.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: And that car is the most Mad Max car ever.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: And it exists years before Mad Max. And also doesn't
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: match anything else in the movie. Like there are a
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: bunch of dragstery cars, but none of the others are
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: crazy Mad Max cars. They're just dragster cars that are
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: going to, you know, go run over people, which is
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: what's going on in this crazy ass movie. But again,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: it's the cars that eat Paris in Australia. Yep. Because
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: it's a small town in Australia. And like, it just,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: I knew of it by reputation and went to see
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: it at a showing. And I was just like, I
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: had no idea what I was getting myself into. It
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: is so weird. But again, Peter Weirds, like early Peter Weird.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: And just the craziness of Australia back in the 70s.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: And well before we even saw a Mad Max version
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: of crazy. Yeah. They're just a weird place, and we
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: all know it and love them for it.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: And going back to our Italian trio of the Bronx
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Warriors movies, when you get to New Barbarians, if you
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: ever wanted to watch Mad Max on slow-mo to see
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: how it actually might be as a movie, let me
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: introduce you to the New Barbarians.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: Oh, well, that sounds fun. Again, this one drug its
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: feet at early parts of the movie.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: No, this is basically like, let's have exciting car chases.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: Like literally in slow-mo? Like they just figured out how
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: to use that technology and were like, oh man, we're.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Going to make use of this. There's a lot of
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: action scenes that happen in slow-mo. There's a couple of
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: kills that happen in slow-mo that shouldn't have happened in
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: slow-mo because it totally betrays the lack of budget the
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: film had.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that works when you have a really impressive thing,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: but if you're trying to cover your... Lack of impressiveness.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: Slow-mo is not the way to go.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: And that's why George Miller is like, hey, what if
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: we made everything fast and sped up the film rate?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: And especially as you go on, by the fourth one,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: I'm like, no, everything is impressive. You can run it
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: at whatever speed you want, George, because everything in that
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: one is insane and practically done. And yeah, you can
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: look at it however you want because they're all impressive.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: That's the interesting thing is that there was so much turmoil.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: filming Mad Max Fury Road. And it's a modern day
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: film with modern day resources, modern day money and effects
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: and whatever else. But of course, Miller, God bless him,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: decided he wanted to go as practical as much as
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: he possibly could.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: He's kind of insane. By that movie, you should decide.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: As if Babe didn't convince you first. He's kind of insane.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: But that's the thing though.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: It's like for the guy who gave us the Mad
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Max series and so many other wild and crazy movies,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: he's also responsible for the Babe movies. Happy Feet, The
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: Witches of Eastwick.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: He's out of his mind. Witches of Eastwick, though, still
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: feels like a George... It at least seems sort of fitting.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: It feels like a toned-down George Miller movie because there's
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: still some craziness that happens in Witches of Eastwick. But
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: the children's movies, it's literally like he literally has said,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: I wanted to make movies my children and grandchildren could watch.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: It's the Robert Rodriguez rule.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 8: It is.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: Like, I'm going to make crazy over-the-top gore fest here,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: and then a bunch of kids' movies. Because I got, like,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: 14 kids. And, like, they got to watch movies, man.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: And I want them to see what Dad does. Yeah.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: And those are both fun. So, yeah, kind of the
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: same thing for George. He doesn't disappoint. Crazy as he is.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: But the.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: The production for the original Mad Max, the lack of
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: resources that they had and what they chose to do
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Created a genre and made him a superstar director in
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: one of his earliest movies.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: On the animal note, and this is not, I don't
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: know if... They would have had issues with it for
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: animal rights wise, probably. But just as a general idea,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: even within the universe, if you're going to bring out
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: a bunch of flamethrowers, do you want to be on horseback? No.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: I feel like horses are not going to take well
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: to flamethrower.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: Do you want to come out on like motorcycles with flamethrowers? Sure.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: You can do that. But horseback? And where did those
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: horses come from?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Because the scene where all the, you got the basically
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: the invasion of the Bronx from the The police force.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: The leather daddy crew.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the quote unquote police force.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. The one, the suits are running. Yeah.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: See all of them coming into the invasion. And so like,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: it looks like the invasion of Normandy because they're coming
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: in on boats and like tanker cars and whatever else.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: And so everybody's coming out on foot.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden they're riding into caves
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: on horseback with flamethrowers. It's like, where did the horses
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: come from? That's kind of what I thought. I was like,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: when did we see horses? Yeah. We didn't really.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: And who exactly the same because you could literally see
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: a few scenes where all the dudes are doing the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: flamethrowers the horses were like what the.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: Fuck is that exactly that's what you should think when
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: somebody's firing a flamethrower right near your head or you
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: could see like the horse some of the horses sweating really.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: Profusely it's like they're nervous as hell those poor things.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: That's why I was just like even if it's not
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: yeah even if Beto wouldn't have shut you down On
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: top of that, I'm just like, I feel like they
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: would just, like, rear up and throw you off and
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: run the hell away from you because you got a flamethrower.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because, of course, there's, like, a couple, like, traditional
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: horse stunts you see where, you know, a rider gets
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: tossed off or, you know, whatever else.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: That's fine. That just hurts the person. As long as
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: the horse is okay. Yeah, but it's just like, but, yeah,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: the flamethrower thing is like, ugh.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: And I love, too, we can't, We never get, like,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: a great scene of somebody getting caught on fire, and
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: they're flaming, and they're spinning around. Because everybody, like, the
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: flamethrowers are four feet away from the person getting hosed,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: and all they do is bring their hands up in
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: front of their face and yell, and then they drop.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: They couldn't afford, like, body burns. Like, those are expensive
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: and pretty dangerous, especially at this era.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Except for the one.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: If you didn't know what you were doing, you could
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: just kill a guy, so... Except for Trash, who.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, so for the most part during this big fight,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: he and the girl are hiding. They're hiding in the columns.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: Fred Williamson's going out kicking ass.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: Again, because he's not really much of a part of
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: the movie at this point. Yeah, Fred Williamson has become
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: the hero of the movie. He's ready to go mano
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: a mano with Vic Morrow's character. But it looks like
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: he's going to face off with him. But then he
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: never makes it.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: He gets shot like 14 times and drops and goes
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: to hang out by his throne and gets burnt up
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: in flames. Whatever else is looking dramatic. It's like, Okay,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: so we never get that showdown there. And then when
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Trash does have his showdown with Vic Morrow, it's a
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: little like he just throws a grappling hook or shoots
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: like a grappling gun and impales him with a grappling hook.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: That was my favorite when we get early on, like
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: when the cops come rolling out. And I'm like, so
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: they have horses now. And Batman gun? Like, it's so
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: Tim Burton Batman gun. Yeah. And, like, several of them
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: have it. It's not a one-off. It's like they all
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: got issued a Batman gun. And I was like, okay, whatever.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: But he doesn't even fire it through him. Like, if
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: it had that much force, wouldn't it have, like, impaled him?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: It would have gone, like, completely through him. It just
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: barely sticks to the front of his chest.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: It's just like, what the hell is this?
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he falls and there's like a.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: It's a prolonged thing.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: But most of the fire just usually looks like a
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: very practical, okay, we're going to put a fire in
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: front of the camera. You go stand four feet behind it,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: and then we're going to shoot through the fire, and
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: you can do your thing. Because that's also the funeral fire, pyre.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: They basically like, here's some bodies laying there. Here's the
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: fire in front of the camera as we shoot from
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: way over here, these dead bodies. Yeah. We can't afford
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: to burn real actors.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: But Trash, he's hiding for the most of this fight,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: and then he decides to finally, well, you get one
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: guard that finds them. He kills him and takes his gun.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: He's like, okay, now I got a gun. Now let's fight. Like, oh, okay,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: so whatever.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: Well, he lost his pointy stick. What do you want?
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: He could have got.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Another weapon amongst the hundreds of others. That was my annoying, and.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: Again, this was with a lot of action movies or anything.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: He impales the dude in the tunnel with it, and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: then they just walk off. I'm like, you don't want
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: to pull that out and keep your weapon?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: You've done nothing but kill people the entire point in
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: the tunnels, so you want to leave it there? Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: granted it's got blood on it. Okay, gross. But you
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: might need it again. Yeah, that was just annoying in
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: a general, but they do that in a lot of
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: action movies. I'm like, you might want that weapon you
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: just used. Yeah.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: And then for whatever reason, they decide, you know what?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: We're tired of this Ann chick. Let's kill her off.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: And so you get this no moment of like somebody's
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: about to shoot trash in the back. And then she
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: jumps in front of it and takes the bullet for him.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: And then I could barely make out what she was saying.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: But I was like, I'm betting she's saying the really
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: possibly the most awkward exchange between the two of them
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: at the beginning. I think now she's going to like
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: echo it back. And I was like, oh, yep, that's
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: what she's saying. Yeah.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, so the richest woman in New York
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: or the world is going to supposedly take over this thing,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: and now she gets shot. So it's like.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: She sacrifices herself for our trash.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like, so basically, if
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: that dude survives, because like I said, not all the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: bad guys get killed.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: And all the good guys, with the exception of trash,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: get killed.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: That should have been the outcome we were wanting was
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: she survived so she can go take over and then
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: do good for the world instead of being an evil
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: weapon producing whatever the hell they are.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: So did that dude get like fired?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? It's like you killed the
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: heiress to the company. Oops. Sorry about that.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but for whatever reason, you know, Trash is
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: killing some people and then like two writers come out
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: of nowhere and do like a... You know, like, they both, like,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: one shoots a flame in front of him, one shoots
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: a flame behind him.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: And he's like, ah!
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: And then you see, like, little, like, red spots on him.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: And so then he doesn't have his vest in the
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: last scene.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: That's the most important part. He's like, oh, this is
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: a good excuse for me to take this vest off. Yeah,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: so he's 100% shirtless. Check out my shirtless form as
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: I pick up this Batman gun.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then so, okay, so you managed to survive
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: a third-degree burn instantly?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: Okay. Well, his vest protected him. You know, because the
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: vest covers so much anyway.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: It covered three quarters of him, but one quarter was
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: getting burnt.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: His arms and chest were open, but whatever, sure.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so basically our movie ends with everybody's dead.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: The heiress is dead. Trash ceiling went alive. He shoots
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: hammer with the grappling gun. And again, it would have
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: made more sense if the grapple thing would have went
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: completely through him.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: Because... The dude.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: Falls and then Trash ties him to the back of
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: his bike and is now dragging the Hammer's corpse through
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: the Bronx. And that's how our movie ends with him
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: being drugged. But wouldn't that have fallen out real quick?
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: Maybe he's not really dead. Maybe Vic Morrow will be
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: back in... No, wait, probably not. I don't know why.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: You never see him working these days. I don't know
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: what happened to him. Yeah, so I guess that's the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: end of Hammer. Yeah. But what a weird way to end. Like, yes,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: I get the insult to injury of dragging him behind
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: your bike now, but... And it just freezes, and that's
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: the end. I was like, but weren't we going to
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: do something else after this? Like, we're going to wrap
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: up some other part of it?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's no other repercussions that now the wealthiest,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: most powerful woman in the world is now dead.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: Is dead, so who's running things when she didn't get
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: to have her birthday celebration post what the hell's going
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: to happen now? So... I guess the only significance.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Of why Trash was dragging Hammer through the streets is
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: because they kept making this point that Hammer is also
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: from the Bronx.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: And that he got out of the Bronx and he's
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: now on the other side of things. But they didn't...
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: They mention it a couple times, but I guess, like,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: is that so much of a point of pride? That, like, okay, well,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: this guy turned on us, so I'm going to drag
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: him and embarrass him.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: Through the streets. But everybody else is fucking dead. Yeah,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: it's like everyone who knew who he was is dead.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: So this is a show for no one? Just ran
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: that junkie guy that was like, hey, get my letter.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: That guy will see him and be like, hey, and
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: that hammer. Yeah, that's pretty much it. He wasn't a junkie.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: He was a drunk.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Because he had a can of beer in his hand.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: He was the worst performing drunk I've ever seen since
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: Otis from the Andy Griffith show. But yeah, he was
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: an over-the-top drunk.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: I only assume he also was on drugs. But hey,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know. You do what you want, man. Well,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: he may have been, but you just.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: Assume he's... We know he was drunk. You just assume
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: he's a drunk because he's got a beer in his hand.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: He had a prop. It was doing all the acting
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: for him.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was doing a lot of acting himself.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: But I think as an extra tie-in, and maybe that's
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: how they suckered him into this, I think Vic Morrow
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: was from the Bronx. So I think that... I don't
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: know if that's why they made the hammer from the
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: Bronx in such a big key point, if you want
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: to call it that. But yeah, I think that was
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: a weird little extra tie-in. So maybe that's how they
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: lured him into this lovely movie. He was... think he
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: was from the Bronx.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah but I you know a great recommendation I wouldn't
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: say my highest recommendation there are better there are other
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: better genre films but man this one's a ton of fun.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah again as a movie it leaves a lot to
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: be desired yes as a what the hell am I
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: watching it delivers so yeah it is impressive in its
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: own it is an experience yeah weird way it definitely
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: yeah yeah it fits.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: That bill more than anything but But again, disappointingly, the
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: soundtrack is not streaming anywhere, but someone was kind enough
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: on YouTube to post it.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: It's all in one clip. But I think somebody in
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: the comments has the track listing of what each.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: Song is in there.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so if you're so tickled with the Walter
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Rosati score, you can find it on YouTube. But yeah, it's...
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: Like I said, they just don't make movies like this anymore.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: And maybe there's a reason why.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's good.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's bad.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: That's what I always come back to. And that's why
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: I love watching these kind of movies then. And I've
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: said this many a time on the show. But I'm like,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: and that's why it's hard for me to watch modern
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: day bad movies. Because they're not horrible. to do like
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: think how much work it took to make this bullshit
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: like it's ridiculous but good god what an undertaking to
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: even do something as low budget as this was compared
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: to hollywood movies i'm like it still was so much
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: orchestration and effort and costumes and getting extras and like
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: finding locations and finding locations in three different places around
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: the world and like so like all of that where
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: now it's just like a lot of bad acting in
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: front of a green screen and a lot of bad
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: cg and it's just it's not hard to do plus
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: you can shoot digitally like just getting the film for
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: this is it's an ordeal back that far but like
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: now it's just like you can shoot it digitally barely
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: cost you anything Hell, now you don't even have to
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: have a set standing in front of the screen option
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: that we just got in the last couple of years.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: You don't even have to build a set anymore.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: If you have a treadmill with a green screen.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you've got enough money to buy the basic equipment,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: that's it. That's all you need. So your bad movie
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 5: can take place in one warehouse somewhere and look like
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 5: it and probably be terrible. But it doesn't have any
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: character to it. It doesn't have any of this amazing...
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: ridiculousness like it's just a bad movie but these are
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: epic in their own weird way and like that's what
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: anything that was 70s 80s and even well into the
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: 90s you were still making stuff that was this level
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: of what the hell is going on here.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: Well there's still there was a lot more of a
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: creation i think being done than what we have today
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: yeah you still had heart and passion going on You
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: still had a group of people that wanted to do something.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe their intentions were lofty. There's a lot of times
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: you find that with a lot of these.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: Sometimes that makes it better. Sometimes there's times I'm like,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: just the... arrogance to like i say that with a
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 5: lot of like this era of science fiction movies i'm
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: like do you know how hard it is now to
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: make a decent looking science fiction movie to do it
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: in like the late 70s as a knockoff star wars
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 5: with 14 i'm like what are you thinking why why
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: would you even try and yet they do yeah and
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: i'm easily as impressed so same thing post-apocalyptic movies like
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: all of these grand scale ideas i'm just like Shouldn't
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: you just make like an indie drama? Because those are
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: easy to make. You just go find a place and
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: you shoot it and you hire some actors. No, I mean,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: I give them the nerve of like, no, this is
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: what I want to make. All right. Points to you, man.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing is that sometimes with these genre films,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: you get gems. Like this one, I keep saying the
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: score is great. The cinematography is actually really good, too.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: There's some really good shots. throughout this movie, especially when
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: you get the exteriors and you can see the New
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: York skyline or see, you know, little things of New
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: York you may recognize, you know, whatever else. So, it's
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: a well-shot movie. On occasion, some of these movies, you'll
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: get great performances or you've got, like, you know, it
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: was early and a director or cinematographer or a writer's
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: career and, like, okay, you can see there's some talent
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: there and then they go on to do other things.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: They leave that genre behind or they may surpass it
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: or whatever else. You know, whatever the case may be,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: but Yeah, there's some level of a gem or something
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: of worth in a lot of these movies.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: Well, you get people, and this was my tie-in. I
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: will say this because... If you, I think you said
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: you listened to the Comic-Con thing that we went to
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: last time. Yeah. When I said at the end, I'm like, okay,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: I'm going back in there. I was, and I did, specifically,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: the main reason I went, Sam Raimi was there. Yeah.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: And that's one of those, I'm like, okay, I want you,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, no offense, I like your Spider-Mans and all,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: which a lot of people are there with Spider-Man stuff. Sure, yeah.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: But I'm like, I want you to sign this Evil Dead.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, that's one of those. I'm like, if
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: you get the right talented person, that lack of budget...
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: does not affect you like that first movie i still
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: say is one of the best horror movie like it
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: is so damn good yes and i like the silliness
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: of the sequels and stuff but that first one is
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: just a solid horror movie and he had no money
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: and he had a bunch of unknowns and he had
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: like just nowhere he found a set and he and
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: like just giving that kind of talented person the the
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: right things and there's like alchemy there and i'm like
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden you're like oh this is a
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 5: real movie like this is amazing and yeah so it's
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: that same thing of like he didn't have more to
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: work with than these guys but if you give it
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: to the right person sometimes you came out with something
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: amazing other times you get these but again i at
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: least give credit when they take on this big undertaking
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: and come out with something to show for you even
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: if it's crazy and ridiculous Something to show for it. But, yeah,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 5: sometimes you get amazing films that come out of that. Yeah.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, just think, too, of the production on the
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: original Evil Dead. So, you're like, movie with no money,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: unknown cast. Basically, their set is an abandoned cabin in
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: the woods. They had to turn the power on. There
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: was no running water. There was no toilet facilities. And
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: it's in late August. And they were there for a week.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be great.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: But did you get to actually talk to Sam?
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he was super nice and was very cool
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: with everybody that was there. And again, a good mixture
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: of people coming for different reasons because he's had such
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: a long career. But yeah, I figured everybody's going to
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: be like, I love Evil Dead. So I was trying
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: to get a very minimal amount of time. They were
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: on top of things, though. As much of a line
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: as he had, his like guy that was running it,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 5: like they were on top of that stuff. And like
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: everybody kept moving them. The line moved way faster than
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 5: I expected. So I was surprised how smooth, I mean,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: more power to them as a convention, they were on
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: top of things, but you got about 60 seconds worth
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: of time there to be like, here, sign this. You're
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: really cool. So yeah, I, mine was, um, going into
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: like coming from his roots and, And then going into
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: making things like, you know, Doctor Strange, like one of
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: the biggest budget things in the world for the biggest
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: company in the world at this point. Yeah. So, yeah,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: I just kind of gave it a few seconds of like,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: you know, I liked how much of yourself and your
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: style that you've had since day one that you brought
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: to us. this huge Doctor Strange movie. So yeah, and
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: he gave the best... I was like, he's not going
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: to be like, yeah, fuck Disney. I know he's not
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: stupid enough to... So he gave the most strategic answer
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: that he could, which was something like, basically, I just
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: wanted to do justice to what they're letting me do.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: They let me come on and make something in this
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: huge Marvel Universe now, so I really wanted to do
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: justice to them and to the story itself. you know,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: and if I can bring some of my stuff with me,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: that's good. But like mostly I wanted to take care of,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: you know, the product, which again is the most safe
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: and awesome answer you would want to give when you're
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: working for the biggest company in the world. So I agree.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I assumed that's kind of where he was
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: coming from at this point, but he was very cool.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 8: Awesome.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he was much of a comic
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: book fan, but he's definitely old enough to remember when,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: you know, Dr. Strange came out, like when he probably
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: in the sixties, when he was a little kid, uh, Basically,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: that was a very trippy guy, but it was very mystical,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: very weird. So, yeah, it was just totally in his wheelhouse. But, yeah,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: you're right.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: We talked about it on the show before.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: That was definitely a Sam Raimi movie, even though you
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: were smack dab in the midst of the Marvel Universe.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: And have so many things to tie together that are
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: nothing to do with you. But, again, he just very
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: solidly handled that and still brought a whole bunch of
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: Sam Raimi with him.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: But yeah, so he was awesome. But that's a perfect
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: example of give this to the right person and you
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: get these amazing things. Yeah.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Every actor, writer, and director has had a first... Especially
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: of a certain age. At the beginning of their careers
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: has had small, low-budget movies, but the talent still shines
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: through in some way, shape, or form. You could tell...
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: that person or whatever who was responsible for this thing, they're.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: Going to go on and do other things. And this
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: is kind of making my point from earlier. And again,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: bonus points to Sam Raimi. You know what your resources are.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: And you go with a movie that works. And that's
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: why that movie doesn't suffer. I said, don't make a
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 5: big giant science fiction epic when you have $ 14. But
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: when you've found a cabin and you've got this groovy
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: guy that's your best friend that you think is probably
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: going to be a pretty good leading man, you take
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: the handful of things that you do have and you
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: know how to work them. So a horror movie set
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: in a cabin, that's not going to cost much. That's
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: just knowing what you can do And doing it right.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: You know, it's basics of, you know, not to just
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: harp it all on Raimi, but same thing with even
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: as much as I have issues with Kevin Smith, that
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: first Clarks movie. Like, this is what you have. This
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: is what you have to work with. You're going to
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: go in debt for this much money. What are you
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: going to do with it?
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: And he made it work. So, again, it's those guys
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: of that, you know, 80s and 90s. And, like, you
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: see them using their, you know, limited amount of And
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: knowing what to do with it and kind of using
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: it to their advantage of like, okay, but I'm going
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: to focus on these things that I have and can
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: do instead of going to make a post-apocalyptic movie set
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: in the Bronx. So, again, it's knowing how to make
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: the right thing when you have a limited budget sometimes.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 8: But.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: Again, points to the guys who are like, fuck that,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: I'm going to make this movie anyway. And with varying
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 5: success sometimes, but I give them credit at least.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and our director here, Enzo G. Castellari, Of course,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: he did tons of other genre films. He does the
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: other two in the series, even though each one has
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: different writers. But it's the same director, same producer. But
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: most notably, Enzo is responsible for the original Inglourious Bastards,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: which Tarantino adapted and did his own thing with.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah. But yeah.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: So, again, it's where some of my love for Italian
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: cinema comes from. It's because I'm a big Tarantino fan.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: He's a genre guy. And so he... Kind of ends
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: up being the guide for me for a lot of
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: the genre cinema that I've grown up loving.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: As we've worked our way through this series, I also
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: might need to go back one because the only thing
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: he made before this movie was Warriors of the Wasteland,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: which is post-apocalyptic and does look crazy over the top ridiculous.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Warriors of the Wasteland is the second film in the series.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: It is a sequel. It's weird that they put it in.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: That's just how they listed it here, I guess. Yeah.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Where's the Wasteland was what it was named in
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: the States. Over in Italy, it was the New Barbarians.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 5: That makes sense because you said then there's a war
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: in the sequel. So that's why this one really is
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: post-apocalyptic as opposed to Escape from the Bronx.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't know how much you want
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: to talk about the second film.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: We will get to it.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: Timeline-wise, it takes place less than a year after the
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: first film. But a nuclear war has happened, so that's
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: why we're in a wasteland now.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: I don't hate when that happens.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: I will say, like, okay, again, six months was the
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: timeline that all three of these films were shot, written,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: and prepped for. It seems like the second film has
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: the least budget. There's no stars in it. There's a
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: lot of recognizable actors from Bronx Warriors that... Like Fred
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: Williamson is back in it. George Eastman is.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: Back in it. All the dead people are back.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: Enzo, what's the guy, the blonde mustache dude, he's back
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: in it with beautiful hair. So those guys all come back.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: But then they're not playing the same characters. There's no
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: connection whatsoever to the first film. But then you get
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: to escape from the Bronx.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: Guess what? Trash is back. Well, they found him again.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: He probably disappeared. They found him again. He went back
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: to the shoe store.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: And literally, Escape from the Bronx is a direct sequel
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: because it's basically he's now leading a guerrilla group against
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: the Manhattan Corporation. So it's a completely direct sequel. Maybe
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: they did shoot him backwards. Maybe that's why none of
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: it makes any damn sense. I mean, the only thing
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: that would have made sense is if Warriors of the
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: Wasteland was the third film.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Then it's set in the future, but no.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: But it's like, okay, but the timeline for Escape the
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: Bronx takes place after Warriors of the Wasteland, New Barbarians,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: but it's back in the Bronx. It's not a desert
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: wasteland anymore. There are buildings again.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: This makes as little sense as The Mad Max show.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: Where we jump from one to two, and it's like,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: what world is this now? You can blame war all
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: you want, but this is a crazy-ass movie that doesn't
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: match the last crazy-ass movie.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously we knew things were getting bad.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: They went south real quick.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess maybe that's a little bit telling for
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: American society. It won't take much for us to get
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: Lord of the Flies with each other.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: That's true. It won't take long at all. But yeah,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: but this... The timeline for this genre does not make
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 5: any sense.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: It should have been Warriors of the Wasteland. It probably
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: should have been the third film. But it's the second.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: Looking at the lineup of Enzo's other stuff, the one
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: that I was like, oh, look, he made a Sinbad movie.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: He didn't just make a Sinbad movie. He made Sinbad
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: of the Seven Seas, the Lou Ferrigno one made for canon.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: So if we need to start working in some sword
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: and sandal or whatever the hell that Sinbad movie is.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: Somewhere down the line. What a crazy trip that will be.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: You know, in a world where we have Coney and
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: the Barbarians and Beastmaster and a lot of those, you know,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: the good sword and sandal movies. You also have the Barbarians,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: which those two twin guys, remember them?
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: Even as a kid, I was like. This seems too
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 5: cheesy for me, and I watched a lot of sword
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: and sandal movies, but.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: Then you had, like, Lou Frigno did a couple of
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: Sinbad movies.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: Uh-huh, uh-huh. You would think, like, okay, it's Lou Frigno.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: He's a big, muscled dude. Oh, wait, he can't act.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: He also can't talk. There's a reason the Hulk worked,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: because he had no lines. And you covered him up
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: so much, and he had an appearance of about five
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: minutes tops every episode. And then it went back to David,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: and David was a good actor.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill Dixby was great. All you had to do
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: was just growl and.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: Be painted green. And slow-mo, break some styrofoam shit, and
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: then go back to being David Banner. Yeah, it was
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 5: all good. But there's a reason that role worked for him,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: and then other things he tries doesn't really.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, granted, you know, Is it probably because
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: of his hearing loss? I'm sure that affects his voice
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: and whatnot. But he just didn't have that kind of
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: charisma when he spoke.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's all kinds of really shitty barbarian swords.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 10: I know.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 5: I thought about potentially adding those to our run. There's
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: one or two that I've thought of because... They were
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 5: ones I remembered from back in the day and didn't
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: get around to seeing. Okay. So I'm like, maybe that's
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: a good excuse to start working this stuff.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: There are many of those in that. Because that was
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: like as much of like the action, post-apocalyptic, the horror stuff.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, like the sword and sandal
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: barbarian kind of movies, that was my jam. And it
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: didn't matter. I saw Ator the Fighting Eagle. Yours is
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: the one.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: I saw a copy of lately and went, do I
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 5: need to get this? Yes. Maybe I need to get this. Yes.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: Because I feel like we're going to have to watch
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: that one. So bad. It looked pretty bad. And that's
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: why I was like, maybe not. Maybe this one's so
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: bad I don't need it. Do you know how much
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 5: Keef is in You're the Warrior for the Future? Miles O'Keefe.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 5: That's how much Keef is in this movie. That's too
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 5: much Keef, man. Too much Keef.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I had to rip off MST3K for that one
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: joke there. But yeah, they're like warrior queens, sorceress.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 5: There were so many I saw at the time as
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: a kid that was not being supervised what he watched
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 5: on cable. I watched so many, I don't even remember
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: which was which a lot of times. Like, I remember
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 5: the big ones. I remember, obviously, Beastmaster and Conan. But, like,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: once you get into the other knockoff ones, I'm like,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: I kind of remember this scene, but I have no
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: idea what movie it took place in. Deathstalker. Deathstalker 1, 2,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: and 3. Deathstalker is one I remember us talking about
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: millions of years ago, but we never really did an
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: episode on. So we can start... Adding those to the list.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: And that's what I love about the Deathstalker movies. The
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: first one had a little bit of buzz because David
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: Carradine's playing the lead role. The third one had a
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: little bit of buzz, not because David Carradine reprised his role.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: He didn't make it past the first one. A penthouse
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: playmate is in the third movie playing the damsel in distress.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: Cool. Can she act well?
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: Has that ever stopped anybody from making a bad movie?
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 5: Does she get naked? No. She's scantily clad. I was
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: going to say, that was kind of a selling point
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: of a lot of those sword and sandal movies. At
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: some point, they're going to work in some nudity.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: She's wearing like a Princess Leia slave bikini kind of
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: get up to the whole movie.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: Again, for every 12-year-old boy watching things on cable, that
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 5: was still a selling point. But you would think like, oh,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: are we at least going to see some boobs?
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 5: Considering she was a playmate, you'd think she wouldn't have
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 5: issues with that, but I guess they didn't have enough
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: money to shell it out.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, we're going to have you in as little
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: clothing as possible, but she may have been wearing a
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: sarong or something like that.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 5: Oh, God.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: I can have a lot of fun in this particular
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: part of the genre.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: We have our work cut out for us. I'm glad
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: we've started down this road. We have a long way
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: to go and a lot of Probably horrible movies to discuss.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: At least your has a good theme song.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: It's good that we can come back to those. We
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 5: can jump around, though, because I'm assuming the next time
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 5: we'll be back, we have to watch some Guardians. Yes,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: we do. They're coming very soon.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: Their final flight.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: So to speak. I'm definitely interested in that one. Some
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: of the other ones lately I've been hit and miss on,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: but I'm definitely wanting to see where they're going to
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: go with the Guardians. I'm assuming that will be our
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: next Oh, I'm sure. But as we're wrapping up, I
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 5: was going to say also let people know about your
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: show because I did just watch this last one and
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 5: you were on remote. You were like out in the
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: world doing things. I've done a few of those. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: My podcast Fanatic Forum. It's on Fridays at 7 p.m.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 5: Eastern.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: So if you want to watch us live, I'm live
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: on Facebook and YouTube. So you can join the show
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: wherever the subject happens to be that week. I go
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: to comic book stores. I've gone to local arcade. Most
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: of the time I'm in my house, you know, doing Zoom,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: talking nerdy stuff with other people or guests or whatever else.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: um but if you don't want to join us live
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: uh you can find us wherever you listen to audio
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: podcasts doesn't matter i'm i'm.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: Everywhere all right i'm like i'm like a virus yeah
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: if you haven't had enough of both of us you
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: can at least get more of him on that one.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: As well and you won't come on my show because
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: you you don't like being on camera.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 5: I could consider it, I suppose, if you really wanted it.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 5: But I don't want to have to look at me.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know why anybody else would. That's why this
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: audio format works so well. Nobody has to see me.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: God help us all.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 5: But we could talk movie geek stuff. We can definitely
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: talk movie geeks, as we do every time. I don't
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: think we have any other option, really. No, not really.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of people in the world I don't
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  Speaker 5: even try. Like, I just know the regular people of
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 5: the world, and I just don't even go down that road,
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  Speaker 5: because it's going to go badly. And then there are
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: other people that I don't think we could not talk
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 5: about movie geek stuff. Like, there are so many, mostly
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: people that are on this show, that I'm just like,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 5: it's not going to go down any other road, probably. Probably.
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  Speaker 5: The only thing we're going to lock in on is
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 5: movie geekery, so.
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  Speaker 2: Even though it may be a logistical nightmare for you
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  Speaker 2: as the producer and, you know, the tech thing, but
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  Speaker 2: I would love a super show to have, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: me with, like, you know, Nora and Phil talking about
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: a movie with you, or was it Tracy and Boyfriend?
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  Speaker 5: The most recent is Misty and Jay. Oh, Misty, yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Misty and Jay, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's right. I don't know who the hell
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  Speaker 2: Tracy is.
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  Speaker 9: But yeah.
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  Speaker 5: She can come on too if she wants. But yeah,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 5: they are old school. They've been there forever. So whether
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 5: they like it or not, they keep getting roped into
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 5: more episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we need a super show to somehow bring
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: all the various guests together.
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  Speaker 5: I don't even know what would happen. There's a reason
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: I separate some of these people from others. Sometimes it
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 5: may come to blows or explosions or I don't know
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 5: what would happen. So sometimes it's by design. So if
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  Speaker 5: you go down that road, I don't know what's going to.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I realized, too, that actually I know Phil
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  Speaker 2: through proxy because basically we know a lot of the
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: same people.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He played in bands and I watched him perform, you know, whatnot.
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  Speaker 5: I've seen him back. I think he was still in
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: high school when we were hanging out. Yeah. I've seen
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 5: him in bands that far back and that was a
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 5: long damn time ago.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen him perform in a dude named Roy's house.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Amongst other venues.
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  Speaker 5: I saw him in Justin's backyard. Okay. Yeah. One of
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 5: several shows I've seen. But that was, yeah, the most low-key,
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  Speaker 5: I suppose.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a dude a bunch of us went
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: to high school with in Floyd.
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  Speaker 5: We went to Floyd Central.
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  Speaker 2: And there was a cat named Roy who was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was kind enough to basically he had like an
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: unfinished basement. Well, it wasn't his house. It was a
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: folk's house, but nonetheless. But it was an unfinished basement.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: And so we were able to play down there. And
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: you had all ages shows. And it was, I mean–
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  Speaker 2: You had sometimes upwards of over 100 some odd people.
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  Speaker 5: Most towns had that house shows. We certainly didn't in
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: this town. We had a lot of that that I
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 5: really didn't make use of. When I look back, if
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 5: I knew what was going on at the time in
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 5: this town, I would have loved to have made more
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: use of it. But even then, I didn't go anywhere
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  Speaker 5: and hang out with anybody. Most of the time, I
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 5: missed a lot of it. It kills me when I
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 5: look back at some of the shows that were going on.
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  Speaker 5: in this town in particular, there was some awesome stuff.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: There really was. Yeah. Back in the, the, the late
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: eighties and the nineties were a glorious time to be in.
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  Speaker 5: The, the music scene in general, but the punk scene
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 5: and the kids were just out of control and, and
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: epic stuff was going on and nobody in the town
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 5: had any idea. Well, it was, it wasn't just the punks.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was just, it was just the overall
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: feel of the, the, the creativity of the city and,
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  Speaker 2: There were certain areas of town where your freak flag
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  Speaker 2: could fly proudly and no one would.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 5: Bat an eye. I kind of mean punk more in
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 5: the attitude, not the music. Just in that indie do-it-yourself,
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 5: who gives a fuck what's going on. This is our
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 5: little group. Anti-establishment. And it was all, yeah, it was
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 5: metal bands and it was punk bands and it was
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 5: weird artsy bands. As it went on, it got more
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: and more polished, too. And it still had that same
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 5: attitude of like, Yeah. Screw you guys. We're going to
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 5: go play in a basement and nobody's going to, you know,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: nobody as the town knows is going to show up.
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  Speaker 5: But these 28 kids that are here, it's going to
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 5: be the best show of their life. So, yeah, I
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 5: wish I would have done more of that at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: And basically geeks of whatever genre you were, if you were.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: You know, a comic geek, if you were a music geek,
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: if you were a movie geek, there were places for you.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of crossover on that, too. Like, everybody
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 5: kind of was in... If you were in that little
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 5: underground crew, like, everybody was kind of into all of
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 5: those things. Sure. Sometimes they just excelled or focused in
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 5: one area and did a better one.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: Or, you know, you maybe knew everybody at The Great Escape,
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: or you were a regular Air Ecstasy, or when Walden
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: Woolley opened up, you were so happy because.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: Going back further, you were hanging out at the Vogue
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 5: every weekend. Yep. So it's like there was all these
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 5: little pockets of geekdom that, yeah, was pretty hardcore.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and basically like instead of bars being littered down
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: Bardstown and Baxter Avenue, it was coffee houses. Good God, folks.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: There was so much java being brewed on a– you know,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: a couple of miles of strip.
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  Speaker 5: But that made it even better because they were willing
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 5: to have shows and the shows had kids that couldn't
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 5: even play in bars because they were all underage most
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 5: of the time. So like you couldn't even play bars,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 5: but they were still fine in plays again. That's why
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 5: they were in basements. That's why they were in coffee houses.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 5: Cause like their band was already awesome and they were
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 5: freaking 17.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: So, And then you had a place like Tooligans, which
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: now was Cahoots, and I'm not even sure what it's
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: called now.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 5: It became several different things, but yeah.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: Back in the day when it was Tooligans and it
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: had no decorations, no furniture, no nothing, they could have
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: an all-ages show or they could have a show with alcohol. And,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: of course, I went to all the all-ages shows.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 5: I feel like these things don't happen anymore.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 7: No.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't go to an all-ages show now
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: and have a Hare Krishna serve you bean curd and
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: green tea. You know, because there were no other refreshments,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: but the Hare Krishnas brought refreshments. Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. Somewhere out in this weird world, maybe
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 5: there's a weird mixture still going on. Like, we can hope.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 5: I hope so.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those days were great.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 5: So, we will try to tap into that weird underground
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 5: world and bring you more episodes of us talking about
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 5: forgotten movies that are probably forgotten for a good reason.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: But they should need to be unearthed. Sometimes it's okay
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: to dig up stuff from the ice.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 5: That's mostly what I do at this point.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: Other times it's a disease that went dormant millions of
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: years ago and we brought it back and it's going
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: to kill us all.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 5: That might be true with many of these. Either way.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 5: That's the plan down the road. Otherwise, that about does it.
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  Speaker 5: We will return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Later. Later.
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  Speaker 6: On the streets of the Bronx is where I want
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 6: to be. Standing on the corner singing good old harmony.
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  Speaker 8: I'll be waiting for the man.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 13: To come along and discover me.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 5: My father preaches.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 8: So please get a job.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 5: Ooh.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 8: Oh, but I don't want to.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 6: Be a singing star.
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  Speaker 8: I'll drive up and down the Bronx in my.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 6: Brand new shiny car.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 13: Doo, doo, doo. On the streets is where.
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  Speaker 10: I want to be.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 5: That's where I want to be. Singing in harmony.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 8: On the streets is where I want to be.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 5: That's where I want to be.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 8: Go away, don't bother me. On the streets of the
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 8: Bronx is where I want to be. On the corner
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 8: of Belmont and 187th Street.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 5: I'll be waiting for.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 8: The man to come along and discover me.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 6: Standing on the corner saying goodnight.
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  Speaker 13: On the.
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  Speaker 5: Streets of the.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 13: Bronx is where I wanna be, where I wanna be.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 5: Music of the heart oh yeah a school teacher struggled
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 5: to teach violin to inner city harlem kids starring maelstrom
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 5: yeah directed by wes craven figure that one out. So,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 5: it might as well be Sam Raimi in a baseball movie.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: I guess maybe, you know, I don't know, somebody asked him, like,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: who have you always wanted to work with but you're
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: never been able? Meryl Streep.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 5: I can't get Meryl Streep to do these slasher movies, but.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, would you like to do this... Story
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: about a music teacher who teaches kids to play the
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: violin and Meryl Streep's the star?
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  Speaker 5: Okay!
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