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Alan Dershowitz Warns America About Antisemitism, the Democrats, and What's Coming · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: I logged on to X, and I said, hey, be
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Speaker 1: careful that you're voting for the right people in this
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Speaker 1: midterm election. Then I started talking about Abdul El-Sayed, started
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Speaker 1: talking about James Tallarico, and people started calling me a Zionist.
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Speaker 1: It was very strange to me. I'm glad I have
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Speaker 1: this man on today. It's Alan Dershowitz, of course, incredible professor,
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Speaker 1: incredible attorney, new book out called Why I Quit the Dems,
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Speaker 1: and so should you. Alan, first of all, good to
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Speaker 1: see you. How are you?
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Speaker 2: Well, good. I'm a very proud Zionist, and I think
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Speaker 2: you should be, too.
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Speaker 3: Being a Zionist means nothing more than believing that Israel
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Speaker 3: has the right to exist as the nation state of
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Speaker 3: the Jewish people, just like New Zealand has the right
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Speaker 3: to exist.
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Speaker 2: And other countries.
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Speaker 3: Started by European colonialists have a right to exist. Certainly
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Speaker 3: the Jewish state has the right to exist. So I'm
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Speaker 3: a proud Zionist.
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Speaker 1: The reason I bring it up is not because I'm
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Speaker 1: confused about whether I'm a Zionist or not.
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Speaker 2: I am.
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Speaker 1: Of course, Israel has the right to exist in that
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Speaker 1: little sliver of land, you know, where it's surrounded by
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Speaker 1: 22 Muslim countries. There are 57 Muslim countries, including the
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Speaker 1: Palestinian state, Jordan, that are in this world. You can't
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Speaker 1: have one Jewish state. But the reason why I bring
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Speaker 1: it up is you're way smarter than I. Why does
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Speaker 1: somebody think that's a pejorative? Why do they think I'm
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Speaker 1: going to say, oh, my God, don't call me that.
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Speaker 1: Let me stop supporting Israel. I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think Zionist has become a dirty word among
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Speaker 2: the hard left.
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Speaker 3: One of the reasons I quit the Democratic Party is
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Speaker 3: because today to be a Zionist, you can't win.
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Speaker 2: A Democratic primary. You have to be an anti-Zionist. You
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Speaker 2: have to be anti-American.
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Speaker 3: You have to be anti-decency to win a Democratic primary.
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Speaker 2: If you want to win a Democratic primary.
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Speaker 3: Support Hamas, support Iran, support El-Said, support Hassan Piker, support.
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Speaker 2: Mamdani, and then you'll win the election. But if you.
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Speaker 3: Support America, if you support Israel, you're not going to
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Speaker 3: win a Democratic primary. That's the sad reality today.
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Speaker 1: This book is out tomorrow, Why I Quit the Dems,
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Speaker 1: and So Should You. The subtitle is Confessions of a
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Speaker 1: Reluctant Republican. I've been interviewing you for a long time,
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Speaker 1: even when you were still a Democrat, and you've always
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Speaker 1: had very common sense values, Western values. Western civilization matters
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Speaker 1: to you. You and I disagree on a couple of topics,
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Speaker 1: but so what? We're allowed to. What happened to the
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Speaker 1: Democrat Party, do you think? Because for some reason, the
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Speaker 1: El Sayeds and the Hassan Pikers and the Mamdanis and
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Speaker 1: all these guys, they were able to infiltrate and take
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Speaker 1: it really off the reservation. How did that happen?
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Speaker 3: The same reason that Cuba was turned over to Castro
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Speaker 3: and the Soviet Union was turned over to Stalin and
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Speaker 3: Germany was turned over to Hitler. Young people, young people,
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Speaker 3: young people created the Nazi Party. Young people created Stalin.
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Speaker 3: Young people created Pol Pot. Young people created Castro. College students,
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Speaker 3: well-educated young people have caused so much disruption and death
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Speaker 3: and horror in this world that I'm beginning to reverse
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Speaker 3: what I heard as a young kid. Don't trust anybody
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Speaker 3: under 30. People I trust under 30, but young people
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Speaker 3: and the combination of young people, the social media and
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Speaker 3: the lack of courage among university administrators and professors have
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Speaker 3: turned young people into the enemies of America.
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Speaker 1: Did we allow this to happen through the— we' re forced to
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Speaker 1: pay— it' s compulsory. I've got to pay for public schools, Alan.
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Speaker 1: And for some reason, the public schools are the ones
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Speaker 1: that are indoctrinating the kids. Have we been blind to that?
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Speaker 1: Did we just say, hey, they'll educate them for seven
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Speaker 1: or eight hours, then we'll get them home for dinner?
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Speaker 3: No. I mean, Karl Marx put it very well in
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Speaker 3: the middle of the 19th century, you know, give me
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Speaker 3: your child until the.
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Speaker 2: Age of nine and you can have him after that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, what we're seeing is teachers' unions— teachers, radical people
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Speaker 3: on the left are controlling our education system, our social media,
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Speaker 3: and are turning young people into haters of America, haters
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Speaker 3: of Judeo-Christian heritage, and haters of everything decent.
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Speaker 2: And this is not going to improve. This is going
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Speaker 2: to get worse, because if you want to see what
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Speaker 2: a country will look like in 20 years, look at
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Speaker 2: its young people. Look at its college students. And you'll
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Speaker 2: see what this country will look at in 20 years
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Speaker 2: unless we can reverse it.
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Speaker 1: Dersh.substack.com. Go and follow him there at Alan Dersh over
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Speaker 1: on X. The book is called Why I Quit the
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Speaker 1: Dems and So Should You. It is available tomorrow. Do
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Speaker 1: you have a copy? Let's show that. There you go.
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Speaker 2: But, you know, it's not available so easily. You cannot
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Speaker 2: find this book in your local bookstore.
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Speaker 3: Local bookstores today do not carry books that are anti-democratic.
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Speaker 3: You have to go on Amazon to get this book.
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Speaker 3: Bookstores are part of the problem. They are filtering and
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Speaker 3: censoring what Americans can buy. So if you go to
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Speaker 3: your local bookstore and try to buy this book, even
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Speaker 3: though I was the number one New York Times bestseller
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Speaker 3: when I wrote Chutzpah, you cannot find this book in
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Speaker 3: your local bookstore.
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Speaker 2: You have to get it. Get it online.
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Speaker 3: That's part of the problem. You can't find it in
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Speaker 3: your university bookstore. You can't find it in many, many
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Speaker 3: places online. That's what's going on with censorship of different
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Speaker 3: ideas today. The left doesn't want you to hear my ideas.
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Speaker 1: And the left doesn't want to hear that Ed Sheeran
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Speaker 1: has the ability to kick somebody off of a tour, Macklemore,
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Speaker 1: for yelling free Palestine, free, free Palestine. I don't think
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Speaker 1: the guy knows what Palestine is. He's going to do
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Speaker 1: a free Palestine tour now. But guess what? He's not
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Speaker 1: going to go to Gaza and have a concert, that's
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Speaker 1: for sure. So when it comes to censorship like that,
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Speaker 1: where you've got to cancel Alan Dershowitz, you've got to
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Speaker 1: cancel Ed Sheeran, you've got to cancel me if we
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Speaker 1: dare say what's true, what's by our values. But yet
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Speaker 1: the other side can do anything they want. I just
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Speaker 1: saw something on X before we started this, Professor. And
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Speaker 1: it was a picture of a woman who's going to
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Speaker 1: be nominated. She's going to be getting an award for
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Speaker 1: Teacher of the Year. All tatted up. Okay, whatever. You
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Speaker 1: want to have tattoos, whatever. You're allowed to. You don't
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Speaker 1: have to be a teacher with tattoos. But in her
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Speaker 1: room is a gigantic Black Lives Matter flag and a
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Speaker 1: gigantic trans flag. What is that? So she won't be canceled.
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Speaker 1: She'd be celebrated. But you and I saying what we
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Speaker 1: just said might be out of the public square. How
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Speaker 1: did we get here in America?
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Speaker 2: Well, take the New York Public Library.
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Speaker 3: The New York Public Library last week sponsored a speaker.
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Speaker 3: who was virulently anti-American, virulently anti-Semitic, and then the moderator,
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Speaker 3: who was moderating his event, was another anti-Semitic, anti-American person.
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Speaker 3: I can't speak at the New York Public Library.
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Speaker 2: I pay for it.
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Speaker 3: You pay for it. But the New York Public Library
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Speaker 3: will not have me as a speaker. Even the public
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Speaker 3: library in Chilmark, Massachusetts, where I've been living for 55.
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Speaker 2: Years, will not have me as a speaker.
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Speaker 3: They will have any left winger, any Black Lives Matter, any—
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Speaker 3: trans supporter, yes, but you can't have somebody like me
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Speaker 3: because I'm no longer a Democrat, and therefore I'm not
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Speaker 3: kosher when it comes to public libraries. Public libraries today
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Speaker 3: have become part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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Speaker 2: You know, public libraries are supposed to be neutral and
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Speaker 2: fair and objective. They're anything but that today.
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Speaker 1: Why I quit the Dems and so should you. Confessions
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Speaker 1: of a reluctant Republican. It's Professor Alan Dershowitz. Go to
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Speaker 1: at Alan Dershowitz over on X. I live about an
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Speaker 1: hour south of the University of Texas at Austin. I'm
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Speaker 1: in the San Antonio area. Hassan Piker either just spoke
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Speaker 1: there or is about to. Could you go and speak there?
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Speaker 3: No, they would never allow me to speak there. Today,
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Speaker 3: almost no American university would have me as a speaker there.
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Speaker 3: 20 years ago, I was the most popular speaker and
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Speaker 3: people wanted me all over.
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Speaker 2: But that's when I was a Democrat. Today, when I'm
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Speaker 2: a Republican, no, the University of Texas won't have me.
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Speaker 2: Harvard won't have me.
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Speaker 3: Harvard, where I was a teacher and still am an
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Speaker 3: America's professor for 60 years, will not allow me to speak.
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Speaker 3: And that's true of many, many American universities.
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Speaker 1: It is Professor Alan Dershowitz. Go and get this book.
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Speaker 1: It's called Why Quit the Dems and So Should You.
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Speaker 1: I want to pick your brain a little bit about
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Speaker 1: the Constitution. Is it constitutionally allowable for somebody to be
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Speaker 1: an avowed communist and hold an office in this country?
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Speaker 1: I think I know the answer is yes, but then
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Speaker 1: my second question would be why? So is that allowable?
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Speaker 1: Can you be Mamdani? And instead of saying DSA, he says, listen,
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Speaker 1: I'm a communist and I'm the mayor of New York.
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Speaker 1: Is that okay?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, for years there were statutes prohibiting communists
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Speaker 3: from holding certain offices. And the Supreme Court held that
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Speaker 3: you are protected unless you advocate the overthrow of the
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Speaker 3: government immediately by force and violence.
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Speaker 2: So there are restrictions, but.
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Speaker 3: They wouldn't apply to somebody like Mondami. He can hold office.
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Speaker 3: And the answer to that is to vote against them.
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Speaker 3: But what we're seeing is more and more young people
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Speaker 3: voting for him. You cannot win a Democratic primary in
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Speaker 3: New York City unless you're overtly anti-American. Take, for example,
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Speaker 3: there were two guys running, both Jewish, both liberal, in
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Speaker 3: New York.
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Speaker 2: But one of them was a moderate, moderate Goldman.
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Speaker 3: And he lost to the extreme leftist, socialist elite. anti-Israel, anti-American,
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Speaker 3: only because the voters wanted to vote for somebody who
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Speaker 3: was against America. And we're seeing that in cities like
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Speaker 3: New York. We're seeing that in cities like Los Angeles.
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Speaker 2: The mayor of Los Angeles, according to recent polls, will
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Speaker 2: now be a radical socialist rather than a moderate. And
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Speaker 2: we're seeing that all over the country. And it's a
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Speaker 2: very dangerous trend that portends a dangerous future for America,
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Speaker 2: particularly in large cities.
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Speaker 1: the First Amendment, I think almost absolutely. Of course, there
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Speaker 1: can be a few restrictions, but we believe in it
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Speaker 1: almost absolutely. I'm able to do this every day because
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Speaker 1: of my First Amendment rights. So are you. That said,
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Speaker 1: Abdul Rahman Mohammed El-Sayed in Michigan, who's running for U.S. Senate,
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Speaker 1: against the guy, Mike Rogers, who was in the military,
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Speaker 1: who was in the FBI. He's a guy who used
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Speaker 1: to be a representative. Syed is winning. El-Syed's winning right now.
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Speaker 1: And he literally campaigned with the guy we just talked about,
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Speaker 1: who said he wanted to F the Constitution. He wanted
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Speaker 1: to burn the Constitution. He thought America deserved 9-11. America,
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Speaker 1: there's hell to pay because of what we've allegedly done
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Speaker 1: in the Middle East. This Hasan Piker guy. Again, we
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Speaker 1: believe that Piker has the ability to say that, and
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Speaker 1: I think that your answer is going to be don't
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Speaker 1: vote for El-Sayed. But, Professor, half the people right now
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Speaker 1: look like they might vote for El-Sayed. Again, you're campaigning
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Speaker 1: with a guy who hates the country. Is there no
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Speaker 1: provision that says you can't campaign and win if your
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Speaker 1: objective is to get rid of the Constitution?
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Speaker 3: No, you can get rid of the Constitution by legitimate means.
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Speaker 3: But remember, this Hassan.
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Speaker 2: Piker guy, he doesn't have the courage to to look
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Speaker 2: in the eye, the orphan or the widow of a
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Speaker 2: brave fireman who was killed in 9-11 and say, it
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Speaker 2: was your fault. You deserved it. You deserve to die.
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Speaker 3: Your father deserved to die in 9-11 because of what
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Speaker 3: America did. if Americans would only realize who Hassan Piker
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Speaker 3: was and who El-Said is for supporting Piker, I don't
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Speaker 3: think decent people would vote for him. But decent people
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Speaker 3: are being fooled by the media, and young, foolish people
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Speaker 3: who don't really care about the future of America are
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Speaker 3: buying into this anti-American and anti-Semitic nonsense. Look, I think
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Speaker 3: today anti-Semitism is the greatest danger of an ism in
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Speaker 3: the world today.
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Speaker 2: More than sexism, more than racism, more than homophobia, more
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Speaker 2: than trans hatred.
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Speaker 3: Why?
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Speaker 2: Because all those others are going in the right direction,
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Speaker 2: whereas anti-Semitism, the hatred of Jews, is going in the
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Speaker 2: wrong direction. It's increasing. It's becoming legitimate. You get people
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Speaker 2: running for office today. blaming everything on AIPAC, blaming everything
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Speaker 2: on Israel, blaming everything on Zionists, and in some instances,
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Speaker 2: blaming everything on Jews. It's the greatest hatred in the
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Speaker 2: world today. And whether you're Jewish or whether you're.
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Speaker 3: pro-Israel or not, you ought to be prioritizing the fight
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Speaker 3: against anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, because that's the most dangerous hatred
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Speaker 3: in the world today.
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Speaker 1: Professor, you and I talked about this before. Changing the
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Speaker 1: hearts and minds in Gaza is almost undoable. I get it.
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Speaker 1: West Bank, probably, actually, Judea and Samaria, I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to call it the West Bank, almost impossible. But we've
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Speaker 1: got people here, to the tune of millions, I think,
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Speaker 1: that are also anti-Semitic, or at the very least anti-Israel,
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Speaker 1: which I think are synonyms. How do you change the
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Speaker 1: heart and minds here? They were able to be indoctrinated
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Speaker 1: in college or in high school. Can we un-indoctrinate them?
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Speaker 1: Can we convince them that what they've been told was
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Speaker 1: true just isn't?
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Speaker 2: I hope so. I mean, for example, Palestinians were offered
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Speaker 2: a state 1937, 1938. Between 1948 and 1967, they could
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Speaker 2: have had a state. They weren't occupied by Israel. They've
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Speaker 2: had every opportunity.
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Speaker 3: They don't want a state. They just don't want there
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Speaker 3: to be Jews living in the Middle East. Palestine will
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Speaker 3: be free, free of Jews from the river to the sea.
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Speaker 2: People are chanting this.
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Speaker 3: We're not realizing that what they're chanting is what the
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Speaker 3: Nazis chanted in 1932. I'm not saying 1937, but I
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Speaker 3: am saying 1932. And these young people are essentially mimicking
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Speaker 3: what the Nazis did and what the communists did in
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Speaker 3: the 1930s. And they're bringing it to America, and they're
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Speaker 3: bringing it to America against, you know, Jews and Zionists
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Speaker 3: and Christian Zionists and Those who support Judeo-Christian values, and
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Speaker 3: they're being applauded for it by their university professors and
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Speaker 3: by their deans and by the presidents of universities who
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Speaker 3: don't have the courage. They know it's wrong, but they
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Speaker 3: don't have the courage to stand up against it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a faction of people out there, and it's
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Speaker 1: Professor Alan Dershowitz. Get the book called Why I Quit
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Speaker 1: the Dems and So Should You, Confessions of a Reluctant Republican.
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Speaker 1: There is a faction out there that really thinks there
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Speaker 1: was a Palestine with a president or a prime minister
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Speaker 1: or a monarch and that Palestine existed since the Philistines
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Speaker 1: were there. And somehow the evil Jews came in and
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Speaker 1: just stole it all because Great Britain was afraid of
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Speaker 1: the Jews. Of course, none of that happened. There was
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Speaker 1: never a Palestine. In fact, ancestrally, there is no relation,
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Speaker 1: blood relation, to the Philistines. Very, very different people, the
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Speaker 1: Philistines and the Palestinians. Golda Meir called herself a Palestinian
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Speaker 1: in the 1930s or whatever. All the Jews did. The
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Speaker 1: Jews and Arabs and everybody else were all Palestinian because
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Speaker 1: of the region where they were, but it was never
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Speaker 1: a place that had a leadership, a government. It was
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Speaker 1: a territory that that change hands depending on who won
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Speaker 1: the war. So if you just tell them that simple fact,
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Speaker 1: they'll maybe understand that what they're fighting for doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 1: The problem is what you said earlier. Let me go
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Speaker 1: back to what you said earlier. They won't let you
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Speaker 1: on campus. They won't let you tell people that. They
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Speaker 1: won't tell them to listen to Pags, and maybe he'll
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Speaker 1: explain it to you. Go ahead.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they won't, for example, allow me to explain that
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Speaker 3: Israel has at least as great a right to exist
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Speaker 3: as New Zealand. New Zealand was occupied by colonialist Brits
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Speaker 3: who had no association with the land. They killed the Maoris,
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Speaker 3: took over their land, and now everybody.
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Speaker 2: Says New Zealand has the right to exist. Jews, on
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Speaker 2: the other hand, lived in what is now called Israel
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Speaker 2: for 3,500 years.
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Speaker 3: And even when they took a poll in 1933, there
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Speaker 3: were more Jews living in Jerusalem than Muslims. So, you know,
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Speaker 3: the Jewish claim to what is now Israel is historic,
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Speaker 3: it's geographic, it's ethnic, it's in every possible way. And
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Speaker 3: yet the majority of kids on college campuses today think
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Speaker 3: that Israel is a colonialist, genocidal state.
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Speaker 2: Nothing could be further from the truth. The man who's
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Speaker 2: the head of the West Point War College on issues
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Speaker 2: of terrorism, has said that no country in history has
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Speaker 2: ever done more to protect civilians in fighting against terrorism
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Speaker 2: than Israel. And yet you hear genocide.
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Speaker 3: Israel is feeding the Gazans, inoculating them, taking their children
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Speaker 3: to hospitals. The birth rate has increased. It's the exact
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Speaker 3: opposite of genocide. And yet people believe.
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Speaker 2: This total inversion of truth And that's what happened in
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Speaker 2: Nazi Germany.
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Speaker 3: Goebbels said, just repeat lies often enough and people will
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Speaker 3: believe it.
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Speaker 2: You say genocide often enough and people will believe it.
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Speaker 3: And these idiots from Hollywood, many of them Jewish, repeat
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Speaker 3: all these lies. And they, you know, that's become the
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Speaker 3: common mantra in Hollywood and in so many other parts
19:02
Speaker 3: of the American society.
19:03
Speaker 2: Media and cultural centers, and yet they're all untrue.
19:07
Speaker 3: And if you just give you and I and others
19:10
Speaker 3: an opportunity to tell the truth, maybe people.
19:13
Speaker 2: Will listen, but universities won't listen. They won't give the
19:17
Speaker 2: other side an opportunity to even be heard. That's why
19:21
Speaker 2: I quit the Democratic Party. And that's why, you know, if.
19:24
Speaker 3: You want to support my decision to quit the Democratic Party,
19:29
Speaker 3: you know, buy the book.
19:30
Speaker 2: And by the way, you can't buy it in bookstores.
19:33
Speaker 2: They don't sell it in bookstores.
19:34
Speaker 3: You've got to get it on Amazon online because bookstores
19:38
Speaker 3: won't sell books that are anti the Democratic Party.
19:42
Speaker 1: Why I quit the Dems, go and get it. It's
19:43
Speaker 1: Professor Alan Dershowitz. Did you see Mamdani come out to
19:46
Speaker 1: a podium and literally say about immigrations, the Prophet Muhammad
19:51
Speaker 1: immigrated to Medina and immigration is all good. It's always good.
19:55
Speaker 1: And this is what our faith provides for that. He
19:58
Speaker 1: forgot to mention that he also killed everybody and took
20:01
Speaker 1: Medina over. The Jews welcomed him. And then he ended up,
20:04
Speaker 1: you know, taking the place over and making them either
20:06
Speaker 1: pay a fee to live there or he just killed them. So, again,
20:09
Speaker 1: it's a retelling of history that young people are buying.
20:13
Speaker 1: And I know I keep asking the same question, Professor,
20:15
Speaker 1: but you're smarter than I. So I hope that you'll
20:18
Speaker 1: give me an answer that I can use on my
20:19
Speaker 1: show and for the rest of my life. How do
20:21
Speaker 1: we counteract somebody who is so bold-faced? boldly lying in
20:25
Speaker 1: the faces of young people throughout the country and they're
20:28
Speaker 1: buying what he's laying. Oh, it was so wonderful. Muhammad
20:30
Speaker 1: just went into Medina. Wasn't that great? No, they, the
20:32
Speaker 1: Jews accepted him, gave him shelter. And then he ended
20:34
Speaker 1: up taking the place over. Not long after, how do
20:37
Speaker 1: we change the narrative that sounds so real? Although it's
20:40
Speaker 1: so false.
20:41
Speaker 2: Well, that's why shows like yours are so important, because
20:44
Speaker 2: you speak the truth to power and you tell the truth.
20:47
Speaker 3: About things that other people are lying about. And ultimately,
20:51
Speaker 3: the truth, hopefully, will prevail. Sometimes it takes.
20:54
Speaker 2: A long time, as it did in Germany, as it
20:56
Speaker 2: did in the Soviet Union, as it did in Cuba.
20:59
Speaker 2: But ultimately, these tyrannies fail, fail by their own wait.
21:06
Speaker 2: And we're seeing that in Cuba now. We're seeing it.
21:09
Speaker 2: We saw it in Germany. We saw it in Japan.
21:11
Speaker 2: We saw it in Cuba. And we're going to continue
21:15
Speaker 2: to see it. And you and I are going to
21:17
Speaker 2: continue to tell the truth, no matter how hard our
21:20
Speaker 2: enemies try to keep us silent. I'm not going to
21:23
Speaker 2: remain silent. I'm 88 years old.
21:26
Speaker 3: I'm still fighting the good fight. And I'm going to
21:28
Speaker 3: fight it as long as the good Lord gives me
21:29
Speaker 3: the power to speak out.
21:31
Speaker 1: And hopefully it'll be for another 88 years. It's Professor
21:33
Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz going to get his book called Why I
21:35
Speaker 1: Quit the Dems. You had Benjamin Netanyahu in town last week.
21:39
Speaker 1: He had a bunch of idiots walk out before his speech.
21:41
Speaker 1: He called them out as the cowards they are. But
21:44
Speaker 1: I want to go back to like the 1970s. I've
21:45
Speaker 1: seen video of Benjamin Netanyahu. He went by a different name.
21:49
Speaker 1: It was like Netay or something. But he literally said
21:52
Speaker 1: 50 some odd years ago, I want to coexist with
21:55
Speaker 1: the Palestinians. There should be a two-state solution. There should
22:00
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22:01
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22:05
Speaker 1: It was somebody that you probably wouldn't recognize if I
22:07
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22:09
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22:12
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23:30
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I've known Bebe since 1970, so
23:33
Speaker 3: I've known him for.
23:35
Speaker 2: you know, 56 years, and he's always been consistent.
23:38
Speaker 3: He's always believed that Jews and Palestinians can live side
23:43
Speaker 3: by side in peace, but he's always been consistent also
23:48
Speaker 3: in making sure that Iran can't get nuclear weapons and that.
23:52
Speaker 2: Israel's enemies can't do what they did on October 7th.
23:56
Speaker 2: He's been consistent. He's the furthest thing from a war
23:59
Speaker 2: criminal or a genocidal whatever. He's a decent man.
24:04
Speaker 3: If the Israelis don't like him, they have the ability
24:07
Speaker 3: to throw him out of office in an election, unlike
24:09
Speaker 3: the Palestinians, who've had the same president for 14 years.
24:13
Speaker 3: President's supposed to serve, I think, a four-year term. This
24:16
Speaker 3: is his fourth unelected four-year term. Israel is a democracy.
24:21
Speaker 3: And if the Israelis don't like him, they'll vote him out.
24:24
Speaker 3: Maybe they will this time.
24:25
Speaker 2: They voted out Winston Churchill after he won the Second
24:28
Speaker 2: World War. So there's no accounting for how people vote.
24:32
Speaker 2: But you can't attack Netanyahu for being a war criminal.
24:36
Speaker 2: He's the furthest thing from that.
24:39
Speaker 1: When we, when let's finish up on Israel this way,
24:41
Speaker 1: how is this thing going to end up shaking out?
24:43
Speaker 1: Because you and I both know the Palestinian side doesn't
24:46
Speaker 1: want a two state solution because that would include Israel
24:49
Speaker 1: as a state. Israel would accept a two state solution
24:52
Speaker 1: was offered many times over the decades. As you said,
24:54
Speaker 1: in fact, Bill Clinton offered the 96, 97% of what
24:57
Speaker 1: they wanted. And, and then when they were up against
25:00
Speaker 1: the wall where they had to make peace, they said,
25:01
Speaker 1: we can't make peace. The Jews should all die. How
25:03
Speaker 1: does this end up shaking out? What happens in the
25:05
Speaker 1: end here?
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Speaker 3: What happens is that Israel remains strong. It destroys Iran's
25:10
Speaker 3: nuclear capacity. It doesn't depend on others. It depends on
25:15
Speaker 3: its own self, and it thrives and survives. Israel has
25:19
Speaker 3: done more for the world in the last almost 80
25:21
Speaker 3: years in terms of providing medical technology, science technology.
25:28
Speaker 2: Iron Dome for the United States. Israel is one of
25:30
Speaker 2: the great democracies that helps the world, and it does
25:34
Speaker 2: it on its own.
25:36
Speaker 3: America benefits from an alliance with Israel. Israel benefits from
25:39
Speaker 3: an alliance with America. But if Israel has to go
25:43
Speaker 3: to it on its own, it will be able to
25:45
Speaker 3: do so. And that's why I'm for a strong Israel,
25:48
Speaker 3: an independent Israel, an Israel that can protect and defend
25:52
Speaker 3: itself and its people from all the enemies that walk
25:56
Speaker 3: out on it at the United Nations.
25:58
Speaker 1: Order it online, Why I Quit the Dems. It's Professor
26:01
Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz. It is out on the 29th. We're doing
26:03
Speaker 1: this interview on the 28th, so it's out tomorrow. Go
26:05
Speaker 1: and get the book. Let me ask you about a
26:08
Speaker 1: couple of constitutional things, if you don't mind. The ban
26:12
Speaker 1: of CNN, MSNOW, and Politico. As I think you know,
26:15
Speaker 1: I was a television news anchor for a long time.
26:17
Speaker 1: I did it in New York, did it in Michigan,
26:19
Speaker 1: did it all over the place. I know journalism. I
26:21
Speaker 1: know how to do journalism. Those outlets aren't journalists, but
26:23
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter. If they're a part of the press,
26:26
Speaker 1: then they've got protections in the First Amendment. My problem
26:29
Speaker 1: with the argument against what Trump did, and you can
26:32
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong on this, is that they
26:34
Speaker 1: have no right. to be inside the Oval Office. They
26:37
Speaker 1: have no right to be on Air Force One. The
26:40
Speaker 1: fact that they got their hard pass in 1980 or
26:42
Speaker 1: 81 or wherever the hell it was for CNN, I
26:44
Speaker 1: don't know when the other ones got it, does not
26:46
Speaker 1: tell me they've got an inherent right under the First
26:48
Speaker 1: Amendment to follow him to the bathroom if they want.
26:50
Speaker 1: So is it the privilege that I think it is,
26:53
Speaker 1: or does he have a constitutional problem banning these three entities?
26:57
Speaker 3: No constitutional problem at all. Constitutionally, there's no difference between DeSherma,
27:02
Speaker 3: a Nazi publication, and CNN. First Amendment doesn't distinguish between
27:07
Speaker 3: good and bad news.
27:09
Speaker 2: It doesn't distinguish between large and small newspapers.
27:13
Speaker 3: If the White House can't ban CNN, then they can't
27:17
Speaker 3: ban a communist newspaper.
27:19
Speaker 2: They can't ban a fascist newspaper.
27:22
Speaker 3: As long as there is some discretion in the White
27:25
Speaker 3: House to decide who to let in, who not to
27:27
Speaker 3: let in, they can exercise that discretion in a way
27:31
Speaker 3: that is not subject to judicial review. You may argue
27:37
Speaker 3: it's a mistake politically to keep out CNN and Politico,
27:41
Speaker 3: but they don't have any First Amendment right any more
27:43
Speaker 3: than a Nazi or communist publication does. First Amendment doesn't
27:47
Speaker 3: distinguish between Der Sturme and CNN.
27:51
Speaker 1: Does it matter that he said the reason was he
27:54
Speaker 1: didn't like how they're reporting on him? Does that change
27:56
Speaker 1: it at all?
27:58
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, because he doesn't like the way Der
28:00
Speaker 2: Sturme reports on it either. You can't. give the courts.
28:07
Speaker 3: The power to allow CNN to come in without requiring
28:12
Speaker 3: them to also allow every small neo-Nazi communist rag to
28:18
Speaker 3: come in as well. The one thing the First Amendment
28:20
Speaker 3: doesn't permit is decisions by the courts based on content.
28:26
Speaker 2: So either it's all or nothing.
28:28
Speaker 3: And the answer is that the White House has always
28:31
Speaker 3: had discretion. John Kennedy used discretion to favor certain media
28:37
Speaker 3: and disfavor others.
28:38
Speaker 2: Every president has done that. And the difference is that.
28:44
Speaker 3: This president has picked on big media, CNN, but that
28:49
Speaker 3: doesn't give the big media any greater First Amendment right
28:53
Speaker 3: than small media.
28:55
Speaker 1: I found it to be interesting. Caitlin Collins was interviewing
28:57
Speaker 1: Michael Waltz, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., the other
29:00
Speaker 1: day sitting next to him outside the UN building as
29:03
Speaker 1: she was complaining about CNN being banned from covering the president.
29:06
Speaker 1: I'm like a member of the administration sitting with you
29:09
Speaker 1: on CNN. How exactly are you banned? They're trying to
29:12
Speaker 1: sell it as an overall ban of their ability to
29:15
Speaker 1: do their jobs. When of course it's not, he's saying
29:17
Speaker 1: you can't be in this building. You can't be on
29:19
Speaker 1: that plane. That's it. And that's, there are 50,000 alleged
29:22
Speaker 1: journalists in this country. Professor, all 50,000 of us came
29:26
Speaker 1: to show up and say, I deserve to be in
29:27
Speaker 1: the first amendment says so.
29:29
Speaker 2: That's right.
29:30
Speaker 3: And either you have objective standards based on size, which
29:33
Speaker 3: no president has ever done, or you have subjective standards.
29:37
Speaker 3: And if you have subjective standards, the First Amendment doesn't
29:40
Speaker 3: tell you who you can let in and who you
29:42
Speaker 3: can't let in.
29:43
Speaker 2: That's clear.
29:45
Speaker 1: A couple of other Supreme Court issues, and thank you
29:47
Speaker 1: so much for all the time, as always. Get his
29:48
Speaker 1: book called Why I Quit the Dems. Number one, I
29:51
Speaker 1: think Amy Coney Barrett gets it wrong by saying, yes,
29:53
Speaker 1: you can accept ballots five days after the election. We
29:56
Speaker 1: used to have an election day in this country. Was
29:59
Speaker 1: she right in siding with the Democrats or the liberals
30:01
Speaker 1: on the court in that ruling that you can make
30:03
Speaker 1: a rule in the state to accept ballots five days
30:06
Speaker 1: later after the end of the election?
30:09
Speaker 3: Constitution doesn't provide for any federal elections. Every election is
30:14
Speaker 3: a state election, even for president. And the states get
30:17
Speaker 3: to decide, not the states. Under the Constitution, the state
30:21
Speaker 3: legislature gets to decide. So when Pennsylvania legislature decided, no,
30:27
Speaker 3: you couldn't have it five days later, but the court said, yes,
30:30
Speaker 3: you can, that was unconstitutional.
30:33
Speaker 2: So she's partly right and partly wrong.
30:37
Speaker 1: Very interesting ruling on that. What you just said makes
30:39
Speaker 1: sense to me. By the way, during COVID, and I
30:42
Speaker 1: won't get in-depth into this, I'm not going to go
30:43
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole, but it was not state legislatures
30:46
Speaker 1: changing the rules. It was attorneys general, it was secretaries
30:48
Speaker 1: of state, it was lieutenant governors, it was governors, and
30:51
Speaker 1: all of that was unconstitutional. None of those ballots should
30:53
Speaker 1: have counted. Am I right or wrong on that?
30:55
Speaker 2: You're right. It's only the state legislature that has the
30:58
Speaker 2: power under the Constitution to determine the circumstances under which
31:03
Speaker 2: ballots are accepted.
31:05
Speaker 1: The president did an executive order saying the U.S. Postal
31:07
Speaker 1: Service that handles all the mail gets to make sure
31:10
Speaker 1: that the mail ballots that are going out are going
31:13
Speaker 1: to verified people that can actually vote. Was he right
31:16
Speaker 1: or wrong on that?
31:17
Speaker 2: He was right, and he was wrong on the timing.
31:21
Speaker 2: And that's all the Supreme Court said.
31:23
Speaker 3: It's too close to the election to in any way
31:27
Speaker 3: influence this.
31:28
Speaker 2: Election without causing confusion.
31:30
Speaker 3: But Justice Kavanaugh, who was one of the deciding votes, said,
31:34
Speaker 3: that the president probably has the better of the argument
31:38
Speaker 3: if there's enough time to enforce it.
31:41
Speaker 1: Professor Alan Dershowitz get his book, Why I Quit the Dems,
31:43
Speaker 1: and you should too. So should you. Show the book
31:46
Speaker 1: again if you don't mind, Professor. I want to make
31:48
Speaker 1: sure people see the book. It's amazing. Got one last
31:51
Speaker 1: question for you. And by the way, you can't go
31:52
Speaker 1: and get it at a bookstore. You've got to go
31:53
Speaker 1: and get it online, and it starts tomorrow. He's being censored,
31:56
Speaker 1: and that's wrong, and it should not happen like that.
31:59
Speaker 1: One last question, and it's the whole purpose for the book.
32:02
Speaker 1: Was there a come to Jesus? I'll use that term,
32:05
Speaker 1: although I know that you're Jewish. I'm Christian. We get
32:08
Speaker 1: along value-wise. Was there a come to Jesus moment for
32:11
Speaker 1: you when you said, wow, I'm really not a dem
32:14
Speaker 1: at all anymore? Was there one thing? Was it gradual?
32:17
Speaker 1: How did it happen?
32:18
Speaker 3: First of all, I think Jesus is one of the
32:20
Speaker 3: great religious leaders of all time.
32:23
Speaker 1: We agree.
32:23
Speaker 2: I'm And so come to Jesus moment doesn't insult me
32:28
Speaker 2: at all.
32:29
Speaker 3: The Democratic National Convention two years ago made me leave
32:34
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. I looked and I saw who the
32:36
Speaker 3: speakers were. They were not my people. They were not
32:39
Speaker 3: people who cared about America, who cared about decency. They
32:43
Speaker 3: were hard left people.
32:45
Speaker 2: Zealots.
32:46
Speaker 3: And so that's what made me leave the Democratic Party.
32:49
Speaker 3: But I became an independent at first. Then I decided
32:52
Speaker 3: I couldn't be an independent. I don't want to see
32:54
Speaker 3: the Democrats have control of the House or the Senate,
32:57
Speaker 3: because I think, although I'm critical of some of the
33:00
Speaker 3: things that the Republicans do, I'm far more critical of
33:03
Speaker 3: what Democrats do today than what Republicans do. And so
33:07
Speaker 3: I'm happy to see Republicans control all the branches of
33:12
Speaker 3: government at the moment.
33:13
Speaker 1: If I told you 25 years ago you'd be a
33:15
Speaker 1: Republican today, would you have believed me?
33:18
Speaker 2: Never.
33:18
Speaker 3: If you told me 25 weeks ago, I don't think
33:20
Speaker 3: I'd believe it. I remember I started a speech last week.
33:24
Speaker 3: I spoke to the Republican women, and I said I
33:27
Speaker 3: never thought I would say the following two words, fellow Republicans.
33:31
Speaker 3: And I said them, and I got a standing ovation.
33:35
Speaker 3: And I'm comfortable as a Republican. None of my family
33:38
Speaker 3: members have joined me. My wife's an independent. My children
33:41
Speaker 3: have remained Democrats. But that's up to them.
33:45
Speaker 2: My book is.
33:46
Speaker 3: Written to give you ammunition and ideas to help you
33:50
Speaker 3: make your own decision. I think the one decision you
33:53
Speaker 3: can't make is to do nothing. That the situation is
33:57
Speaker 3: so terrible with the Democratic Party, you have to do something.
34:00
Speaker 3: Try to influence the Democratic Party from within. Quit becoming independent.
34:03
Speaker 3: Quit and become a Republican. But you have to do something.
34:07
Speaker 2: And I think my book, Why I Quit the Dems,
34:10
Speaker 2: gives you guidance for what decision you should make.
34:13
Speaker 1: Why I quit the Dems and so should you, confessions
34:15
Speaker 1: of a reluctant Republican. We're glad to have you as
34:18
Speaker 1: a Republican, although I'm not one. I'm a conservative. I
34:20
Speaker 1: don't really call myself a party, but so glad to
34:22
Speaker 1: have you on this side. As Professor Alan Dershowitz, go
34:24
Speaker 1: to ders.substack.com, at Alan Dershowitz on X. Thank you so
34:28
Speaker 1: much for the time, as always, Professor.
34:30
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
34:32
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