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The Kenny Report | 10 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Steve Price, with your filling in
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  Speaker 2: for Chris Kenny all this week and of course I'll
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  Speaker 2: be with you on Friday from six now coming up
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  Speaker 2: tonight on a very busy program. Australia's in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of a youth crime crisis from Alice Springs to Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: and through regional Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: It's dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: It's out of control home invasions, deadly car thefts and
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  Speaker 2: graffiti and plague proportions. I'll talk with youth crime with
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  Speaker 2: Senator Pauline Hanson shortly and I have my say as well.
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  Speaker 2: Now I agree with New South Wales Premier Chrispins. He
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  Speaker 2: came out surprisingly today and his wish for a reset
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  Speaker 2: of ANZAC Day with major retail being shut on the
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  Speaker 2: day April twenty five and a focus on remembering all
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  Speaker 2: of those that sacrificed everything for all of us. If
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  Speaker 2: only other state leaders would now follow, the RSL will
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  Speaker 2: join us as well. Plus disturbing new figures on the
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  Speaker 2: level of mortgage pain being felt by Australian homeowners that
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  Speaker 2: will hopefully be a warning for the RBA when they
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  Speaker 2: next look at.
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  Speaker 1: Interest rates sh now.
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  Speaker 2: As I said, most Australian states and territories are in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of a crime wave we have not witnessed
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  Speaker 2: before in our lifetime, driven by a range of reasons
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  Speaker 2: in my view, everything from social media sites like TikTok
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  Speaker 2: and Instagram to a post COVID mental health hangover I believe,
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  Speaker 2: to a lack of police resources, a blatant lack of
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  Speaker 2: fear of being caught, with no regard whatsoever of the
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  Speaker 2: police uniform, and to a pathetic in some states molly
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  Speaker 2: coddling of offenders and a busted bail system.
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  Speaker 1: Even ten year olds.
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  Speaker 2: Even five years ago, I would never have been reporting
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  Speaker 2: that ten year olds were stealing cars from driveways and
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  Speaker 2: carports at two o'clock in the morning after busting into
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  Speaker 2: a house and pinching the keys. Or a car load
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  Speaker 2: of teens and preteens driving at insanely high speeds, running
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  Speaker 2: red lights while filming the speedo topping one sixty or
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  Speaker 2: even one hundred and eighty kilometers an hour. Suicidal for them,
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  Speaker 2: deadly for innocent people on the roads. Australian is simply
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  Speaker 2: trying to get home safely. So bad is this becoming
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  Speaker 2: places like Alice Springs where even police and off duty
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  Speaker 2: officers have been targeted and bashed. And we now have
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  Speaker 2: curfews back in place in the Red Center in Victoria today,
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  Speaker 2: the Labor government has finally decided it needs to take
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  Speaker 2: this crisis seriously. Boy, it's taken them a long time,
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  Speaker 2: and they've set up a two day talkfest, which I
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  Speaker 2: fear will end up being just that, a talk fest,
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  Speaker 2: especially from a government so blind to what's happening in
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  Speaker 2: their own city. They plans to raise the age of
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  Speaker 2: criminal conduct from ten years old to twelve, and they're
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  Speaker 2: all the way up to fourteen. What does that mean
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  Speaker 2: in practice? It means no custodial time eventually for anyone
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  Speaker 2: under the age of fourteen years of age. What do
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  Speaker 2: the in charge think that will mean? When I'll tell
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  Speaker 2: you crime gangs will be out recruiting kids to steal
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  Speaker 2: cars so they can use them in home invasions. And
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  Speaker 2: they're sending those kids, the same kids ten twelve year
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  Speaker 2: olds into supermarkets where the stolen cars are used to
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  Speaker 2: ram raid the security doors. And what are they after well,
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  Speaker 2: in that case, cigarettes to sell on the black market.
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  Speaker 2: It happened to my local IgA Just two weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred packets of cigarettes pinched a locals ute was
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  Speaker 2: used to reverse into the metal roller door and smash
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  Speaker 2: it to smithereens Now. Solutions to this national crisis range
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  Speaker 2: I believe from tougher bail laws, but that's unlikely with
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  Speaker 2: mainland states and territories run by labor governments who were
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  Speaker 2: dominated by the left, who don't believe in locking anyone
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  Speaker 2: under the age of aden up. It's become an election
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  Speaker 2: issue in Queensland, as it should be, and the FEDS
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't be turning a blind eye because the rate of
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  Speaker 2: criminal activity is causing people Australians, people like you and me,
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  Speaker 2: to be afraid alone at home at night in their
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  Speaker 2: own properties. I'm old enough to remember growing up when
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  Speaker 2: we didn't even lock the doors at night. Now in
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  Speaker 2: many suburbs you'd be lucky to find a house that's
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  Speaker 2: not fitted with a security camera. But as usual, the
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  Speaker 2: do gooders won't let up. A crowd in Queensland, reported
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  Speaker 2: in The Australian Today. They're called the National Children's Commission
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  Speaker 2: and their head and hollins bagged the state. Queensland State
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  Speaker 2: Opposition leader David Chris A Fooley and his plans to
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  Speaker 2: introduce adult penalties for youths who commit serious crimes.
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  Speaker 1: It's wrong with that idea.
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  Speaker 2: She called it a race to the bottom, labeled the
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  Speaker 2: potential law changes strong arm tactics, and said early intervention
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  Speaker 2: is the only solution. And then we had various lawyers
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  Speaker 2: typically joining in joining the chorus, calling the planned changes unambitious,
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  Speaker 2: setting children up to fail in later life, and saying, quote,
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  Speaker 2: it's truly shameful that we are locking up children who
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  Speaker 2: have complex needs. I mean seriously, trial telling that to
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  Speaker 2: the family of trainee doctor William Taylor, who died allegedly
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  Speaker 2: at the hands of a seventeen year old driving a
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  Speaker 2: stolen jeep in Melbourne at speed, who has then bailed
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  Speaker 2: and then complained when those bail conditions required him to
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  Speaker 2: be at home with a seven o'clock curfew. He complained
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  Speaker 2: that bail conditions were too harsh and instead went on
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  Speaker 2: a jog and a run, and when he turned up,
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  Speaker 2: was rearrested and put into custody. That's just one example
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  Speaker 2: of the issue we are dealing with. A life lost.
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  Speaker 2: I feel for the victim, I feel for the victim's family,
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  Speaker 2: and let's hope the courts deal with the accused man
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  Speaker 2: in an appropriate way. The campaign aimed at cracking down
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  Speaker 2: on this issue by helping other youngsters dob in their
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  Speaker 2: mates if they're doing the wrong thing. It's been put
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  Speaker 2: together by Crime Stoppers. Let's find out if it's a
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  Speaker 2: good idea will it work? Crime Stoppers Chief executive for
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  Speaker 2: Victoria Stella Smith Joiner Stella, thanks for your time. I
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  Speaker 2: heard you on talkback radio during the week and you
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  Speaker 2: were asked, you know, is it un Australian to dB
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  Speaker 2: someone in well, given how serious this issue is, we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about people dying. I don't even think that should
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  Speaker 2: be debated anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I think there really needs to be a shift in
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  Speaker 3: the narrative around this. And the focus for us is
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  Speaker 3: not so much on dobbing in your mates. It's about
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  Speaker 3: sharing information with us of things that young people have
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  Speaker 3: seen online or things they see out in the community.
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  Speaker 3: And we actually learned from the young people that we
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  Speaker 3: worked with on the development of this campaign that caring
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  Speaker 3: about their family, caring about their friends was a motivation
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  Speaker 3: for them to report information and they really wanted to help.
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  Speaker 3: They wanted to be part of the solution, not part
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  Speaker 3: of the problem.
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  Speaker 1: So Stella tell me in practice how that might work. Well.
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  Speaker 3: We received in Victoria receive a report on average every
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  Speaker 3: two point seven minutes, three hundred and sixty five days
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  Speaker 3: a year, so we can have young people sharing video
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  Speaker 3: footage with us on our website. Very easy to report
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  Speaker 3: to crime Stoppers. Obviously you can do it over the phone,
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  Speaker 3: but the online reporting platform for us has really taken off.
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  Speaker 3: Around two thirds of our report in Victoria are received
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  Speaker 3: online and many of those have video footage with them.
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  Speaker 3: So what we're saying to young people is if you
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  Speaker 3: have this video footage on your phone, or you have
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  Speaker 3: video footage that you've filmed and put somewhere else, share
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  Speaker 3: it with crime Stoppers so that we can actually do
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  Speaker 3: something about it. Don't just share it with your friends,
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  Speaker 3: don't leave it and ignore it. If you want to
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  Speaker 3: help and you want to be part of the solution,
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  Speaker 3: share it with crime Stoppers.
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  Speaker 1: What will you then do with that shared footage?
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  Speaker 3: So the footage that comes to crime Stoppers is assessed,
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  Speaker 3: it's triaged and sent out to the relevant law enforcement
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  Speaker 3: area within Victoria Police. So we work really really closely
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  Speaker 3: with police to make sure that we're helping them with
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  Speaker 3: the information that they need. We're encouraging people to come
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  Speaker 3: forward and with information that's helpful, and we've had incredible
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  Speaker 3: success with the community over the years. We've been doing
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  Speaker 3: this for thirty seven years. We went from doing reenactments
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  Speaker 3: on TV to actually asking the public to give us
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  Speaker 3: the footage that they have. We do get reports from
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  Speaker 3: young people. We don't talk about the information that we get,
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  Speaker 3: and that is because everything we do is about protecting
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  Speaker 3: the people who come to crime stoppers.
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  Speaker 2: Would you encourage parents to be involved in a similar way.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if they have a child who's in a
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  Speaker 2: school or in a group, but has not engaged themselves
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  Speaker 2: in breaking the law, but they are sent some of
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  Speaker 2: this footage that they would then the parent might pass
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  Speaker 2: that on to you.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I would say to parents, talk to your teenagers.
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  Speaker 3: Teenagers everywhere are saying things online the parents may not
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  Speaker 3: be aware of. And what I'd say is, we're an
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  Speaker 3: option for teenagers. They can come to us, they can
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  Speaker 3: share information without saying who they are. And we know
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  Speaker 3: from the students we worked with at Lyndhurst Secondary College
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  Speaker 3: that it was really important to them that staying unknown
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  Speaker 3: was an option, so they wanted to do something to help.
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  Speaker 3: They came up with share if You Care. They also
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  Speaker 3: came up with stay unknown because it really mattered to them.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd say to parents, talk to your teenagers, talk
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  Speaker 3: to them about what's on social media and what they
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  Speaker 3: can actually do if they see something that troubles them.
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  Speaker 2: State government today Stella, as I mentioned, had a review
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  Speaker 2: into bail laws and they're looking at the general question
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  Speaker 2: of youth crime.
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  Speaker 1: Were you invited No.
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  Speaker 3: But that doesn't surprise me. We're not involved in setting
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  Speaker 3: the bail laws. We're here to work with the community
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  Speaker 3: to get that information from the community, to encourage them
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  Speaker 3: to come forward. Everyone has a role to play in
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  Speaker 3: the justice system, starting with the community who have the information.
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  Speaker 3: Our role is to get that in information from the
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  Speaker 3: public and then it passes on to the police. They
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  Speaker 3: have their role, Government has their role. So it's about
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  Speaker 3: us all working together as collaboratively as we can, but
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  Speaker 3: mindful that we are here to provide an anonymous reporting
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  Speaker 3: platform for the public. That's our primary goal.
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  Speaker 2: Jacquelin Sime's Victorian Attorney General said everything was on the
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  Speaker 2: table and they even hinted as that broke up today
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  Speaker 2: and they'll recommence tomorrow. I think that the one option
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  Speaker 2: is fitting offenders that are regular bail dodgers with ankle bracelets.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a view on that.
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  Speaker 3: Look Again, what I'd say is that's a matter for
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  Speaker 3: people who deal in the justice system to work that through.
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  Speaker 3: That's not a role for crime stoppers. But what I
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  Speaker 3: would say also is the community has expectations that the
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  Speaker 3: consequences for a crime will meet the type of crime
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  Speaker 3: and will be relevant and fair. So I think everybody's
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  Speaker 3: trying to find a solution here. There are a number
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  Speaker 3: of factors at play, but I think for crime Stoppers
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  Speaker 3: our role is really to focus on encouraging the public
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  Speaker 3: to come forward. We want people to feel safe, we
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  Speaker 3: want people to give us information, and what we'd say
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  Speaker 3: is this is a great way to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Just finally, I'm staggered when I hear that ten eleven
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  Speaker 2: twelve year olds are out after dark, middle of the
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  Speaker 2: night committing crime. You've been watching crime trends for a
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  Speaker 2: long time, does it surprise you.
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  Speaker 3: I've worked at Crime Stoppers for five years now, Steve,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not surprised by a lot of things, but it
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  Speaker 3: does trouble me. I have to say it is troubling,
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  Speaker 3: and I think again, there's a role for us as
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  Speaker 3: crime stoppers. There's a role for the community. There's a
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  Speaker 3: role for parents, there's a role for teachers, a role
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  Speaker 3: for police, and a role for those that are responsible
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  Speaker 3: for setting the bail laws as well. So we're all working,
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  Speaker 3: I think, to try and find the best outcomes. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, in terms of what surprises me, not as
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  Speaker 3: much as probably should.
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  Speaker 1: Stella Smith, thank you very much for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Steve.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Queensland. Now joining me is One Nation
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  Speaker 2: leader Pauline Hanson, sending a handsoon.
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  Speaker 1: Great to have you with us. Where are you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm in marraor Bar, Steve, and I've got to tell
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  Speaker 4: you this. We're setting up to do the film here.
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  Speaker 4: So our staffer came from the council has told me
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  Speaker 4: that I can't film here next to Mary Poppins because
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  Speaker 4: they're apolitical and told me I shouldn't be here. I
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  Speaker 4: told them get lost. I'm doing the interview here. They said,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to bring the police. Please turn out and
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  Speaker 4: you see a confrontation here, you know what's happening with
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  Speaker 4: it because Mary Poppins is apolitical and I shouldn't be actually.
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  Speaker 5: Doing the interview here, so anyway, I've got to show
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  Speaker 5: you this. This is one of the locals.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's Mary Poppins.
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  Speaker 5: So they did it up for me.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, but it is, isn't it. So anyway, that's where
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  Speaker 4: I am. So if you see confrontation that happens, I
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  Speaker 4: refuse to move away because Mary Poppins is apolitical.
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  Speaker 2: Just tell the police that you're live on Sky and
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  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. And it would make great television
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  Speaker 2: for me, Pauline, if you can organize it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they've gone away to ring them many ways. Steve sir,
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  Speaker 5: we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 4: I thought, I'm sick and tired of being bullied around.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sick and tired of these people. This is the
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  Speaker 4: second time today, Steve. I went to the old tape.
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  Speaker 4: It was built about nine years ago. It's sitting there
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  Speaker 4: and rack and ruin.
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  Speaker 5: You know. I went on the property to actually have
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  Speaker 5: a look at it.
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  Speaker 4: I was told by a security guard you're not allowed
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  Speaker 4: to come here, and I said, I'm here as a
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  Speaker 4: member of Parliament. I want to know where the taxpayers
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  Speaker 4: dollars are going. This facility sitting here.
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  Speaker 5: But you can't. I'll call the police.
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  Speaker 4: I said, Good, call the police, I said, because I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to have the ground now. I know we've got
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  Speaker 4: this facility that possibly could be used for whether it's
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  Speaker 4: for emergency housing, for age care, for educational purposes.
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  Speaker 5: For nine years and this facility would.
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  Speaker 4: Cost millions and millions of dollars of bill and now
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  Speaker 4: it's been destroyed by vandals and they haven't done a
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  Speaker 4: damn thing about it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm fed up with the bureaucrats.
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  Speaker 4: I'm fed up with the politicians, and this is a
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  Speaker 4: waste of taxpayer's dollars.
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  Speaker 5: But they're again being bullied.
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  Speaker 4: This town is run by a bunch of bullies who
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  Speaker 4: don't want to see one nation here.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we are going to be a threat to them.
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  Speaker 2: How wise, Mary Burrough turned into such a woke joint
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  Speaker 2: that they won't welcome proud queenslanda like Pauline Hanson who
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  Speaker 2: happens to be a member of their king's government.
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  Speaker 5: Go figure.
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  Speaker 4: And the whole fact is that a couple of years
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  Speaker 4: ago we actually pulled forty seven percent of vote.
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  Speaker 5: It's labor held.
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  Speaker 4: They're terrified to losing this seat, and there are a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of bullies up here. So anyway, I'm not standing
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  Speaker 4: for it either as my candidate Taran, who's absolutely fantastic
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  Speaker 4: small business owner here. So anyway, we're a threat to them, Steve.
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  Speaker 4: They don't like it, so we're sticking up for it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we've had so many things. We've spoken to
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  Speaker 4: the firefighters today. What's happening to the rural and regional firefighters.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they're volunteers, they're not getting a look in
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  Speaker 4: the door, they're being controlled, no one listens to them.
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  Speaker 4: There's real problems with the fire fighting sector. The farmers
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  Speaker 4: I spoke to today as well, they're facing huge issues
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  Speaker 4: as well, and you know, no one's listening to them.
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  Speaker 4: We're losing the farming sector.
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  Speaker 6: Steve.
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  Speaker 5: You know one thing after that, I'm hearing.
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  Speaker 4: From the public and it's very important that I get
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  Speaker 4: around talk people. They've lost faith in the politicians. They
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  Speaker 4: want someone to listen to them. And if we're getting there,
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  Speaker 4: we intend to really start pushing many issues that are
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  Speaker 4: concerning the austrange people.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the great thing is that you get out and
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  Speaker 2: do this. I mean, one of the problems we're going
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  Speaker 2: to have in regional Australia I've been talking about it
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  Speaker 2: since the beginning of the year on sky is that
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  Speaker 2: local councils like the one you're talking about, they're they're
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  Speaker 2: in charge of planning permits. And so when all these
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  Speaker 2: people turn up with soul of farms that are going
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  Speaker 2: to cover paddocks and acres and acres and acres are
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  Speaker 2: wind turbines, the councils are just going to give that
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  Speaker 2: a green tick. And suddenly the regional people who treasure
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  Speaker 2: the place they leave we're going to have no control
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  Speaker 2: over it.
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  Speaker 5: Oh look, you're exactly right, Steve. Actually bumber dam that
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  Speaker 5: they have there, they're actually going to put another wall up.
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  Speaker 5: They're going to raise the high by fifty.
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  Speaker 4: Meters, which is going to flood prestine forest. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's never been touched, and then you're going to lose
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  Speaker 4: all the flora and fauna, destroy the tourist industry, put
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  Speaker 4: in hydro scheme that's not going to give animal water whatsoever,
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  Speaker 4: only to support two hundred and twenty six wind turbines
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  Speaker 4: at a higher two hundred and ninety meters high.
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  Speaker 5: These wind turbines through pine.
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  Speaker 4: Forest area, that which will actually then destroy the ecology
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  Speaker 4: the of the ecosystem, water ways which will actually go
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  Speaker 4: down and silt up river systems and the coastline.
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  Speaker 5: This is how stupid the whole thing is. People are
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  Speaker 5: up in arms about this.
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  Speaker 4: This has been supported by both the political parties. No
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  Speaker 4: one's fighting this, so anyway we will fight it. It
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  Speaker 4: is ridiculous what they're wanting to do. And they're going
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  Speaker 4: to put up thousandspon thousands of solar panels which aren't
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  Speaker 4: going to deliver the power. All it's going to do
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  Speaker 4: is just keep the turbines going to pump the water
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  Speaker 4: uphill so it flows down through the day because Win
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  Speaker 4: and Solo will not give.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: The power that we need. It's ridiculous, Steve.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: What's happened to you makes the Greens? What's happened to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: you makes the Greens in the center. They're supposed to
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: protect the Australian flora and fauna, and now they've just
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: turned themselves into a bunch of anarchists. So the only
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: problem they want to talk about is palace.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right correct.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: I was about to say that people have been mes
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: led and lied to what the Greens actually stand for.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: They're not looking after the environment. There are a bunch
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: of rap bags that have no idea use this whole
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: thing about the environment as the reasons why they get
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: into parliament, and people need to look at what their
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: policies are. The Greens are not here to support this
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: country in productivity, jobs, the future of this nation whatsoever.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: And they throw out policies out there that unsustainable, will
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: not work whatsoever, to play on people's emotions where they think,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: oh my god, you can't let that happen. We're going
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: to lose this animal, the amount you know what they said,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: birds and different species that.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: Will be lost in this that's right. Where's the Greens?
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: No one's speaking about it, but it's sheer stupidity, Steve.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Let me remind people again, two hundred and twenty six
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: wind turbines of the height of two hundred and ninety
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: meters high throughout a pine forest. So I can imagine
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: if one of those actually catches fire, what's going to happen.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: We have a failing, you know, by a service where
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: the volunteers are not getting into the service anymore. We
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: have huge problems coming lining up and people are not
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: being listened to. And this is where we have to
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: you know, one nation has to start winning seats in
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: the floor of Parliament, to our to start putting them
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: on notice and being a voice.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: For the people. So it's the people up there out there.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: We're giving you an opportunity to make a change and
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: get rid of the thugs and those people don't know
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: what the hell they're doing and just protecting their own jobs,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: and that's what we have to do.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: That's our job.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: We got an issue in Victoria where farmers who have
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: properties that actually share a fence line with some of
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: these turbine projects, their insurance costs have absolutely gone through
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the roof because the insurance company says, well, hang on,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: what if the solar panels or the wind turbine catches fire,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: We're not going to ensure your property unless you pay
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: more in your premiums.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Well they can't. Just got word about that.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Insurance companies in Australia won't ensure these farmers once they
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: put the wind turbines up, so that means they have
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: to get overseas.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Insurance to cover them as well.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: So the cost of that is correct, Steve wantam understanding.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: So there's a lot of plus as to all this
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: that people don't understand. Even with these solar panels when
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: they actually get destroyed by hail or are they damage.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: That may be done to them.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Well, then once they leach that cadium into the soil
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: and that may run into waterways and the poisons the
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: neighbor's land or whatever, there's another thing. There's no insurance
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: that can actually pay for that. It has not been
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: thought out. Also, no one's answered me the question, how
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: do they intend to get rid of the solar panels
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: and the wind turbines as well once they finish they're
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: used by date.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: It is ludicrous what we're doing. I'm not against it whatsoever.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: If people want to put solar panels on their houses,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: fine to cut down the cost of power.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: I've got no problem with that whatsoever.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Don't destroy prime agricultural land, don't destroy pristine forests. Don't
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: put in stupid plans for a hydro system that will
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: not deliver one more power to the people, just because
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: you're going to get rid of coal fired power stations
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: that gives us the dispatchable power that we need twenty
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: four to seven. It is stupidity. It is foreign investment
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: in this country that's proper up. It steal said the
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: governments have done to sign them up and for the
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: last ten years we have paid out twenty nine billion
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: billion dollars in subsidies to these companies.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: So I have a real issue with this.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: That we are seeing taxpayers moneies just going to foreign
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: investments over these renewables that is not delivering what we
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: need in this country.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Do I need to keep my phone on in case
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you end up in jail tonight?
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: They haven't turned.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Up, so she got on the phone straight away.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: Don't worry about that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: But anyway, I think they're thinking twice about it because
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not a pushover and no one is going to
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: bully me or tell me when I know I'm in
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: my rights and I can continue beside my mate Mary Poppins,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: and I will. I'm having this interview with you, so anyway,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: that's the way it is. But I've got a lot
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: of people waving to me on WAB they're loving seeing
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: me here.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: So anyway, you go for it. Paul on the fights
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: on and we're going to him going.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: No one's going to bully you.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks, Dave, got on your Pauline Hanson there in
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Maryborough and Queensland telling the police to nikoff plenty more
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: to come after the break, including Joe Biden's speech to
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the NATO summit and New South Wales's shops they've been
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: ordered to close on Anzac Day as a mark of respect.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Should other states I think they should follow suit. Plus
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the reality of this country's cost a living crisis. Welcome
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: back Steve Price in for Chris kenny Is and Pauline
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Hanson a hell of a character. Now the annual NATO
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Summit has kicked off in the United States.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: The President Joe Biden.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I watched him this morning welcoming world leaders to Washington,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: all off a teleprompter, of course, and whenever you watch
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden now you have to sit there and think,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: is he going to stumble? Is he going to fall asleep?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: So he's not going to know what he's saying. All
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: eyes are on him at the moment. Questions, of course,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: still surrounding his mental fitness. Today he had to convince
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: NATO countries that he remains up to the job of
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: leading that thirty two member Miller Tree Alliance. He was
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: just a bit of what he said at the start.
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: We know Putin won't stop at Ukraine, but make no
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: mistake Ukraine can and will stop putin. It's good that
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: we're stronger than ever because this moment history calls for
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: our collective strength autocrats on overturned global order. The United
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: States and our partners intend to divide Ukraine with dozens
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: of additional tactical area defense systems.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Pretty strong there, I guess. But as you heard, he
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: promised more aid to Ukraine, NATO to send the country
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: dozens of air defense systems. Joining me now to talk
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: about all of this is the head of research at
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Strategic Analysis Australia, doctor Marcus Hellier. What did you make
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: of Joe Biden's summary of how important NATO is these days?
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: Marcus, Well, I think he got it right. NATO is
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: very important, and I think that's the seventy fifth anniversary
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: of NATO this year, and I think we should take
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: a moment to sort of acknowledge what a successful alliance
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: that has been. It's probably the most successful alliance military
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: alliance in world history. Seventy five years, no conflict between
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: those members, no member has been attacked by an external
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: enemy except al Qaeda's strike on nine to one one,
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: So it's been tremendously successful in preserving the piece, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: it really is the gold standard I think of military alliances.
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: Countries that don't have a NATO really wish that they do.
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: And we've just seen recently Finland and Sweden, who for
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: a very long time had resisted joining NATO, have have
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: joined it. So it's a very powerful alliance and it's
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: going to continue regardless of who the president of the
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: US is. I think people are a little uncertain about
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: what Donald Trump would do, but I think it is
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: highly unlikely that he is going to withdraw the United
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: States from NATO.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I know, when I was watching this morning, like you were,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: President Biden claimed it was during his term as president,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: so over the last four years that NATO countries started
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: paying their way. I was of the understanding or remembering
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: that that was actually a Trump initiative, wasn't it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: It actually predates both Presidents Trump and Biden. So that
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: two percent benchmark came into effect around about twenty fourteen,
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: at the time of the initial Russian attack on Ukraine.
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: Now we'll recall that President Trump did do a tour
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: of Europe and he very forcefully reminded the NATO members
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: that two percent was the benchmark, and some of them
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: were falling a long way short. I think the thing
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: that has really turned things around, of course, has been
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: the second Russian invasion of Ukraine that started almost two
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: and a half years ago, and we've seen that have
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: a dramatic impact. I remember writing about three years ago
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: that Germany was one of the worst defenders and the
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: shortfall between what Germany was actually spending compared to what
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: it should have been spending under that two percent rule
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: was a sum that was actually greater than Australia's entire
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: defense budget. So that was the size of the shortfall
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: just for one country. Well, I'm glad to say that
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: Germany has turned that around. It's now spending two percent
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: and it's made up that gap, and so and Germany
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: is not unique. There's still a few I guess laggards,
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: or we could say, but in particular Italy, Spain and
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: of course and Canada unfortunately, but most European countries are
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: now spending their share, and that includes the big three
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: of Germany, France and the United Kingdom.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: On the politics of this, we know that the Prime
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Minister is not in Washington at this NATO meeting. That
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: surprises me. I mean, as you point out rightly. It's
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: a very momentous meeting. It's not just another NATO meeting.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It's seventy five years of anniversary. Richard Marle's the Deputy
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: PM and Defense ministers. There should mister Albinez, you have
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: made the effort to go. I mean, for a start,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: he would be joining the new British Prime Minister, Sir
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Keir Starmer, who just got elected last week.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And they're both labor MPs.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't quite get why the PM went
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: last time but not this time.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: Well maybe because last time he went, everybody piled on
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: and said why are you going to all of these
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: international events instead of staying here and running the country.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: So it's a bit you know, he stammed. If he doesn't,
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: he stamped. If he doesn't, look when we are not
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: a member of NATO, that's the bottom line. We are
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: a partner of NATO. We have lots of friends in NATO.
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: So if he went it would have been a good thing.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: But you know, he.
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: Does have to run the country and he's sent the
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: deputy Prime minister, so it's probably appropriate representation. I think
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: the big question to put to the Prime Minister is
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: what have you done for Ukraine lately. We saw today
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: the announcement that a number of NATO countries we're going
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: to bolster Ukraine's air defense, and we saw that terrible
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: attack on the Ukrainian children's hospital just a few days
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: ago by the Russians. So it's very much needed support. Australia,
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: to my view, probably hasn't been contributing as much as
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: it should. We had that case recently where we chose
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: to junk helicopters to essentially pull them apart rather than
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: donate to them to the Ukraine. We're about to replace
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: our tanks, you know, and that's something an opportunity for
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: us to donate our old tanks to Ukraine. So you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: I think there are questions you could put to the
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: Prime Minister, which is, you know, can't we be doing
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: more to support the Ukrainians.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great point, Doctor Marcus Heliet, thank you very much
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: for joining us tonight. We will talk to mc bainbridge
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: in in short moment because the Premier today Christopher Mins
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: and I look, I'm a huge supporter of veterans and
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I've been lucky enough to tour Gallipoli and the Western Front,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: but I'm a little surprised about what Christopher Mins announced
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: around retail shopping being dropped by on Anzac Day. By
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the Premier, he announced that a full day retail trading
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: band is going to occur on Ansac Day starting from
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: next year, similar I guess to Good Friday or even
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Christmas Day. Hotels, clubs, pharmacies and small businesses will be exempt.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Big sport will still be played, but traders, including supermarkets
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: which is the odd one, will close for the entirety
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: of Australia's national day of remembrance. He was Chrismin's earlier
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: today explaining.
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: Creeping commercialization of Anzac Day over a prolonged period of
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: time to the detriment of the importance of the day.
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: There's many things that divide up our community in New
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: South Wales and Australia, and the truth of the matter
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: is the nation's national day is Anzac Day.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Joining me now is RISO or New South Wales President
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and former Commando Mick Bainbridge. Mick, thanks for your service
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: and thanks for your time tonight. Where did the push
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: for this change come from?
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: Yet, Steve, thanks for having me. Look, the push came
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: from the SDA Retail Union. They've been driving on this
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: matter for some years now, and the Premier asked us,
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: and we felt it was a good opportunity to ensure
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: that our veterans and veteran families are able to attend
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: all of the commemorations on the day. You know, Enzac
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: Day is not just about our older veterans and past wars.
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: Today we still have forty thousand servicemen and women that
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: have served us proudly over the last twenty years, in
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: particular in the Middle East. So I think it's a
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: great opportunity for us to ensure that our members, our veterans,
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: and veteran families are able to attend any of the
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: commemorations on the day and spend it as they wish.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I'm a huge supporter of veterans and a major critic
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: of the federal government on what they do and don't
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: do looking after people who come back after serving, particularly
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: as you mentioned, they're our vets who served in the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Middle East and issues about them getting the mental health issue.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Who's sort it out and it's just not happening quick enough.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: But is there a danger here that this might backfire
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: with people blaming the RSL and vets like yourself for
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: not being able to go and spend Anzac Day in
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: a Westfield shopping center.
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: Yes, perhaps, but I think to anyone in the community
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: with that perspective, i'd ask them to reconsider and think
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: about the more than one hundred thousand Australian lives that
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: paid for those very freedoms. So I don't think it's
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: a big ask for for people to observe the day.
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: It's not solemn. We have commemorations, but families will still
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: have the day off and get together. But from our
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: perspective as RSL and New South Wales, it's really about
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: ensuring that veteran families are able to not be caught
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: at work and be able to go and enjoy those commemorations.
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: You know, it's important to note that the conclusion of
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: their Royal Commission into Defense and Veteran Suicide is occurring
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: in October this year and it would be fantastic for
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: all of those families to be able to attend commemorations
• 32:26
  Speaker 10: and make sure that they're welcomed into those community groups,
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: especially and in particular when they're transitioning from defense. So
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: it's a precarious period of time for them and I
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: think it's a great leapboard for us as a state.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: A retail spokesman probably is going to regret the comment
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: that they made today where they said it quote puts
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: a burden on New South Wales residents trying to manage
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: their life. I'm not sure you'd be all pleased about.
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: That, look if that's their perspective. But we're happy to
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: work with the big retailers today. We haven't had any interest, Steve,
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: so I welcome them to call me at any time
• 33:04
  Speaker 10: and discuss how they can better support our veteran community.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Mick, you still happy about big sport being staged the
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: NRL and the like. I mean, as we know the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: AFL has a massive game at the MCG between two
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: traditional clubs on Anzac Day.
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: They do, But for anyone that looks up the history
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: of those games, Steve, there's quite a strong linkage between
• 33:25
  Speaker 10: the players of the day, players like Ted Larkin from
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: the NRL who was killed in World War One and
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: many of those young players went away. So there are
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: historic linkages between the RSL and RSL New South Wales
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: in fact, and veterans and those particular games on the day.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Meek again, thanks for your service. Thanks for talking to
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: us tonight. That's McK bainbridge there from the new South
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Wales RSL now coming up after the break and new
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: campaign's been launched in a bid to tackle youth crime,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: which we've talked a lot about tonight.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: But will it work?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: There's another proposal to rewrite history.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: You won't believe it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Sleep Price in for Chris Kenny, my panelist,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: STORER and Justin Smith joining me shortly. So when I
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: look at this cost of living crunch, it's really, really,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: really now starting to affect Australian families. There's some new
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: data out today revealing that households are in quote survival
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: mode now. Our survey from the group Finder shows that
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: one in five mortgage holders have switched to interest only
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: loans over the past two years in order of course,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: to pay the bare minimum on repayments. Now that comes
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: as an increase in mortgage holders default on their loans,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: which means they're not paying them and potentially the bank's
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: going to foreclose on them all lists with the potential
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: of another rise of course next month. Joining me now
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: to discuss is Finder Money expert Rebecca Pike. Rebecca This
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: is mortgage pain in overdrive. It's really very sad news.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we've seen the cost of living increase over the
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: last few years and obviously all these thirteen interest rate
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: rises and it's now just really hitting Australian's pockets. They're
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: just really struggling to repay their mortgages in kind of
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: doing everything that they can to reduce their repayments and
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: get a bit more cash over the month.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: One in fives a very large number of people. Do
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: we have any data on how many people who've actually
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: had to sell up because they can't afford to continue
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: to pay their mortgage.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: I don't have those figures, but you know, I do
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: know that you know, we've seen this huge increase in
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: the number of people defaulting, and so you would think
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: that maybe it's, you know, kind of a last resort
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: for a lot of people if people are defaulting, and
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: we've seen a huge increase in the number of people
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: that are late on their repayments. That's gone up over
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: the last year and a half to about just under
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: a percent of just late on their repayments. So Australians
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: are trying think selling up would be a last resort
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: for most people, they're still still trying to do what
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: they can and for a lot of people that's going
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: to interest only loans or just missing some repayments.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Do we know how accommodating our banks are being when
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: somebody says, well, I'm really struggling here. Can I either
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: extend the length of my loan or can I just
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: pay interest only?
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: Banks do have a responsibility to people. I know for
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: a lot of Australians, a lot of people they think
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: it's quite scary to go to the bank. They're going
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: to tell them off in some way. But they have
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: a responsibility to make sure that you can repay and
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: you're not struggling. So they should be accommodating, whether that's
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: you know, pausing repayments or interest only or just reducing
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: payments or negotiating an interest rate. But we have seen
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: some details from borrowers with the experience or even appra
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: that is saying they're not quite going far enough.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: What would another interest rate rise in August do?
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Then? I mean I hate to think that's it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: People are already so tight and they're struggling that if
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: there was another interest in great increase in August, hopefully
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: only zero point two five percent. But it's just going
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: to stretch people. Those people that are already struggling are
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: just they're not going to know what to do with themselves,
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: which is horrible. And those people that are just managing.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: It's going to tip those into that bucket of people
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: that are really unable to cope.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Well, let's hope that the Reserve Bank Board are listening
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: to that and they might be kind on people. On
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the first Tuesday in August, Rebecca Pike, thank you very
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: much for joining us. That is a very sad story
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: and I imagine if you were in so much trouble
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: that you had to go to interest only payment. It's
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: pretty tough time. With the Wednesday Wrangle now one of my
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: favorite segments on the Kenney program. We have plenty to
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: get through. Joining me is Sky and news host Liz Stora.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Great to see you in the studio and star columnists
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and ABC Radio presenter.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I might say, justin how are you justin.
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: A mark of distinct lovely to check?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Can you believe that you've been moonlighting on ABC? No?
• 38:05
  Speaker 12: Actually, it's a badge of honor for them that they
• 38:08
  Speaker 12: had you on despite being a Sky News commentator in
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: his spare time.
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: Oh god, I do what I can. I do what
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: I can to get by. I'm just a struggling, battling
• 38:19
  Speaker 11: kind of journalist and whatever it takes to get by
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: you two.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I listened, Jackson, I listened. You did an outstanding job.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: You did a really, really good job.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Now we've got new South While was Premier Chris Men's today,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: He's banned retail trade on ANZAC Day to, in his words,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: restore respect to the national Day of Remembrance. One of
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: the retailers, Liz that I saw today, came out and said, well,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: we're not going to be able to survive. We won't
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: be able to go to the supermarket and we won't
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: be able to go to Westfield and I can't cope.
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: They're missing the point. That's not what ANZAC Day is about.
• 38:56
  Speaker 12: I think this should be something national. This is something
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: that Elbow should come out encourage all the states to do.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: And this is.
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: Particularly refreshing coming from a labor premiere who doesn't so
• 39:06
  Speaker 12: much given they were so for the voice and everything
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: that he's.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: One of the reasonable labor presser he is he.
• 39:12
  Speaker 12: Is, and I will give Men's that much most definitely.
• 39:15
  Speaker 12: But in terms of restoring the respect. This is something
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: that we need to talk about a lot more, and
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: it's wonderful to see the need for that acknowledged and
• 39:25
  Speaker 12: in such a tangible way. But when we've got kids
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: coming out of school, kids coming out of university. Now,
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: just two weeks ago we were talking about war memorials
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: that had been defaced and graffiti. These kids haven't been
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: taught a respect for our fallen. They haven't been taught
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: about our nation's history and about how sacred this day is. Instead,
• 39:49
  Speaker 12: they're taught things like colonialism, white shame was what I
• 39:53
  Speaker 12: would call it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: In short, we're.
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: Seeing now so many stories nearly almost want a week
• 39:57
  Speaker 12: Steve about how kids in our cit the Australian anthem
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: being meddled with and talk about DEI.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: He wants to rename the Cook River for God's say.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so you live in the great socialist state
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: of Victoria, I'm likely to follow suit.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't think.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: Look, I don't know.
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: I think it's a great move from Christopher Men's but
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: look I don't and I would love to see it
• 40:21
  Speaker 11: broad in here. We haven't got it, and I would
• 40:23
  Speaker 11: like to see them do it. But I don't agree
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: that young people are feeling that way about Anzac Day.
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: I don't think Anzac Day has ever been stronger. I've
• 40:32
  Speaker 11: got to say that one of the great honors of
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: my life is that I'm the MC of the dawn
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: service at the Shrine of Remembrance, and I'm standing there
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: in front of forty thousand people, a lot of them kids,
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: and you can hear a pin drop. They understand exactly
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: what the day is about. And everyone I know feels
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: incredibly strong about Anzac Day. So although I think it's
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: a great move, I don't think I think we're far
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: from crisis point here. I think Anzac Day has never
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: been stronger.
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: I don't think crisis point, but I think it's all
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: credit due to the parents of those children, rather than
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: the education systems that we currently have in.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Our ste When I was I'm older than both of you.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Back in the sixties and seventies, an Zac Day dawn
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: services were not attended by people in my general dead
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: No one would go. And now I've been to a
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: dawn service where Justin's been hosting it. I love seeing
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: the kids there and on that by the way, I
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: mean I mentioned the cooks river.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: We've got another day.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Another proposed to rewrite history, Kiok's River could be renamed
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: now forgive me, Lizabeth, I don't get this right goulay Yari,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: which means place of Pelican dreaming. It's been called the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: change tokenistic activism. I might go to Justin first, because
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I suspect the Pelican lover might support this idea.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: No, I don't.
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: Actually, I think there's a better way of doing it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: And look, let's not make fun of the name, because
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: I think I think it's a beautiful name, and I
• 42:01
  Speaker 11: think that you know, the back to the background behind it,
• 42:04
  Speaker 11: I think is kind of beautiful. Yeah, but let's not
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: let's not do that. But I actually don't agree with
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: this because I think anyone who's been slagging off at
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: Cook should spend a little time reading his diaries and
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: finding out a bit about him. He is a part
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: of Australian history, quite a big part of Australian history,
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: and so is the indigenous part. Let's try and get
• 42:22
  Speaker 11: him together a bit more. Instead of actually just shutting
• 42:25
  Speaker 11: down a river and saying, look, we're not going to
• 42:27
  Speaker 11: call a cook anymore, going to call it something completely different.
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: I don't think that is the way to do it.
• 42:32
  Speaker 11: I don't think that works.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: We are swamped with calling names of things under indigenous names.
• 42:40
  Speaker 12: Now, yes, and of course everyone knows this is doing nothing.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: The girl had a round a couple of weeks ago
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: where all of the teams were called by their indigenous name.
• 42:49
  Speaker 12: Can you imagine how confusing that was for everyone.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Watching, particularly for someone like the Adelaide Grows who started
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: life as the Toyota Camri crows.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, badly. A lot of method history there, indeed.
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: And what really gets people's goats about this is not
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: that they're racist or anything of the sort. It simply
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: does nothing to improve the equality of life for indigenous
• 43:12
  Speaker 12: or these in Australia. And until we're seeing the numbers
• 43:16
  Speaker 12: come down in terms of the systemic abuse that goes
• 43:19
  Speaker 12: on in some communities, whether that's alcoholism, whether that's sexual abuse,
• 43:23
  Speaker 12: whether that's kids who aren't going to school, whether that's
• 43:27
  Speaker 12: the disproportionate number of women who are victims of domestic violence.
• 43:32
  Speaker 12: Until we are seeing improvement in those crucially important KPIs,
• 43:38
  Speaker 12: nothing else matters. You can rename everything.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: In the country.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: The token is if you're not making a real difference.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: But in those communities, and we saw again this week
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Alice Springs again hit by violence once more.
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, it's got to have meaning behind it.
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: And then surely the whole point behind renaming something or
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: talking about it in a different way is to bring
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: people along with you and to win people over, not
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: just to shut something down. I might mention you mentioned
• 44:06
  Speaker 11: about the Adelaide Crows. Toyota is a Japanese name, and
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: yet people were still able to get their tongues around
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: that at some point as well.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: So I don't think it's what.
• 44:16
  Speaker 12: I don't know, I don't know you're.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Talking about it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 11: How are we going to pronounce these indigenous names, Well,
• 44:23
  Speaker 11: we've got to. We learned how to say Toyota, didn't
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: weave without too much trouble, how it's spelled.
• 44:28
  Speaker 12: And I'm sure the Japanese make fun of us for
• 44:30
  Speaker 12: our pronunciation of Toyota, because that's sure they do.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: I'm saying Donald Trump, let's talk about the great man.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: He's going hard on the campaign trailer. He's come up
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: with quite a challenge. Now, I want to get your
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: view on this YouTube. He's challenged Joe Biden after that
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: disastrous of baked to a new challenge.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I have to listen to Donald Trump and the debate.
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: Sleepy Joe also declared that he wanted to test his
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: skills and stamina against mine on.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: The golf course.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: Can you believe this?
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see him swim?
• 45:02
  Speaker 9: I'm also officially challenging cricket shoe to an eighteen hole
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: golf match right here.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I will give him ten strokes aside, and if.
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: He wins, I will give the charity of his choice,
• 45:14
  Speaker 9: any charity that he wants, one million dollars.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: He went on to say that if this event, if
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: it came about, would be bigger than the Master's biggest
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: sporting event in the history of the world.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Everyone retuning in.
• 45:32
  Speaker 12: I think more people would tune into this than they
• 45:34
  Speaker 12: did to the actual debate. But of course Trump's making
• 45:37
  Speaker 12: this challenge knowing that Biden is incapable of it. Sadly,
• 45:40
  Speaker 12: we're now seeing a Parkinson's expert saying on national TV
• 45:45
  Speaker 12: in America, I very much think this guy actually has
• 45:48
  Speaker 12: all the signs of Parkinson's.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: So it's not just his mental.
• 45:51
  Speaker 12: Acuity that people are worried about now, it is the
• 45:54
  Speaker 12: physical aspect of being an older man justin.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I saw Joe Biden today open Nat. He had a
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: teleprompter and he's seemed quite strong. He seems to go
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: up and down in both his mood and his physical appearances.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: What do you make of Donald Trump making I mean,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Trump's just having a bit of fun, isn't he.
• 46:14
  Speaker 11: Oh, look a court and look the sad thing is,
• 46:16
  Speaker 11: you know, with everything going on in the world and
• 46:18
  Speaker 11: how seriously the presidential is. Like, I like a bit
• 46:22
  Speaker 11: of fun too. But the fact that golf has featured
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: not only in the debate, is now featuring again is extraordinary. Look,
• 46:29
  Speaker 11: this is what's going to happen the Republican Sorry, the
• 46:32
  Speaker 11: Democrats will not replace Biden. They're going to try and
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: tough it out. They're going to get to the end.
• 46:36
  Speaker 11: They're going to lose the election and forgive the expression.
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: But then they'll spend the next four years bitching about
• 46:42
  Speaker 11: how Trump won and how they lost. So I mean,
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: it's it's going to be their own fault. They're going
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: to lose it, and it'll be all their own fault
• 46:50
  Speaker 11: and Biden's fault.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister today's called out to Green Senator Marine
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: for rookie for failing to say if Hamas should be dismantled,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: than the Greens and their whole not being unwilling to
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: be honest with the Australian people about where they stand
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: on this. They are a bunch of radical activists who
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: hate Israel and they should just don't up, shouldn't they.
• 47:21
  Speaker 11: You would have thought that this would have been the
• 47:23
  Speaker 11: easiest question that anyone in Australia would have been able
• 47:26
  Speaker 11: to answer, is do you support a mass Now? I
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: don't support a mass you know. Do you think they
• 47:30
  Speaker 11: should be dismantled?
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 47:32
  Speaker 11: And then the end of that questioning is over. So
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: the fact that they can't answer it, I just think
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: is just extraordinary. I understand. Look if people, I think
• 47:42
  Speaker 11: it's a very different thing to support the people of
• 47:45
  Speaker 11: Palestine and to try and stop the death over there.
• 47:49
  Speaker 11: I think that is one thing. But to try and suggest,
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: make any suggestion, I think you can go too far.
• 47:54
  Speaker 11: You can be a little too touchy feely, can't you.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 47:57
  Speaker 11: I think we can all say the Nazis are awful,
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: we can all say Hamas is awful.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Whatever happened to the Greens worrying about trees and wombats?
• 48:04
  Speaker 12: Oh gone of the day has gone of the days.
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: In fact, I do wonder when you look at their
• 48:08
  Speaker 12: ideology just how long, if ever, that is what they
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: were truly about.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: They are a.
• 48:14
  Speaker 12: Radical leftist party and I think this is a very
• 48:16
  Speaker 12: easy win for Alban easy to call this out. He's
• 48:19
  Speaker 12: far more reticent, in fact, just missing an action when
• 48:23
  Speaker 12: it comes to calling out people who are very pro
• 48:26
  Speaker 12: Palestinian in his own ministry, his own front bench, his
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: back benches, and it's taken him nine months to bring
• 48:33
  Speaker 12: a special envoy for anti Semitism.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: He's been mia last.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Night, Ipine for the days when we had Bob Brown
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: looking after the people of Tasmania and stopping Dam's being built.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Liz Storer, thank you very much for being with us.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Justin Smith, thank you as well, mate, and I'll be
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: back tomorrow night filling in for Chris