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The Strange World of Wave-Particle Duality · The Quark Side - Quantum Physics Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the quark side Quantum Physics Podcast, an exploration
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  Speaker 1: of the fundamental structure of reality, where quantum laws govern matter, energy,
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  Speaker 1: and information. Here, uncertainty is a feature, not a flaw,
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  Speaker 1: and understanding begins with the smallest scales.
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  Speaker 2: I want you to imagine something for a second. Picture
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  Speaker 2: firing a bullet from a gun, but instead of traveling
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  Speaker 2: in a straight line and punching a single hole in
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  Speaker 2: a paper target, that bullet suddenly starts acting like a
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  Speaker 2: ripple on.
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  Speaker 3: A pond, right, just spreading out everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it spreads out, washing over the entire target
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  Speaker 2: all at once. Or you know, picture the exact reverse
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  Speaker 2: of that. Imagine a continuous rolling ocean wave crashing toward
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  Speaker 2: the beach, and right at the moment it touches the shore,
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  Speaker 2: the entire wave instantly collapses into a single, tiny, solid
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  Speaker 2: grain of sand.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds completely absurd when you put it
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 3: When you try to visualize it, your brain almost rejects
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  Speaker 3: the image because, well, our everyday macroscopic intuition, the way
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  Speaker 3: we experience physics in normal life, is entirely useless at
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  Speaker 3: that scale.
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  Speaker 2: But the crazy thing is what we are talking about
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  Speaker 2: isn't a fantasy. This is literally the fundamental operating system
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  Speaker 2: of the universe. Today, we're exploring wave particle duality.
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  Speaker 3: Which is such a massive topic.
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  Speaker 2: It is this is the core concept that the legendary
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  Speaker 2: physicist Richard Feynman famously called the only mystery of quantum mechanics.
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  Speaker 2: So our mission today is to understand how the building
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  Speaker 2: blocks of absolutely everything, light, matter, you me, the very
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  Speaker 2: device you're listening to right now, exist as both waves
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  Speaker 2: and particles simultaneously.
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  Speaker 3: It really is the ultimate paradigm shift in science.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe even more importantly, we are going to look
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  Speaker 2: at the mind bending reality of what happens when we
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  Speaker 2: simply attempt to measure them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, But to understand why this concept is so profoundly weird,
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  Speaker 3: we really have to look back at a century's long
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  Speaker 3: argument over a question that seems incredibly simple on.
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  Speaker 2: The surface, right, what exactly is light?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly what is it made of?
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  Speaker 2: Because if you go back to the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries,
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  Speaker 2: you had some absolute heavyweights throwing down over this question.
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  Speaker 2: Isaac Newton argued that light was made of tiny, little
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  Speaker 2: physical particles, which he called corpuscles.
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  Speaker 3: Right, little physical bullets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you had Christian Huygens championing the idea
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  Speaker 2: that light was a wave moving through space the same
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  Speaker 2: way ripples moved through.
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  Speaker 3: Water, and for a long time it was basically a stalemate.
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  Speaker 3: Newton had immense authority, so you know, his particle theory
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  Speaker 3: held a lot of sway in the scientific community. But
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  Speaker 3: then in eighteen oh one and refined around eighteen oh four,
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  Speaker 3: a scientist named Thomas Young performed what is now known
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  Speaker 3: as the legendary double slit.
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  Speaker 2: Experiment, which is just iconic. And to really grasp how
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  Speaker 2: strange this whole topic gets, we need to visualize young setup.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine a solid wooden fence with two vertical planks missing,
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  Speaker 2: leaving two slits side by side.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm picturing it now.
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  Speaker 2: If I stand back and hurl paintballs at that fence,
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  Speaker 2: I know exactly what's going to happen on the wall
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  Speaker 2: behind it. Paintballs are particles. They either go through slit A,
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  Speaker 2: or they go through slit B, or they just hit
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  Speaker 2: the fence. So I would expect to see two solid
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  Speaker 2: vertical stripes of paint on the back wall.
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  Speaker 3: And that is the logical conclusion for anything acting as
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  Speaker 3: a classical particle. But when Thomas Young shown a beam
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  Speaker 3: of light through two closely spaced slits onto a screen,
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  Speaker 3: he did not get two bright bands.
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  Speaker 2: He got something totally different.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got a sprawling pattern of alternating bright and
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  Speaker 3: dark stripes. It looked like a barcode. And this happens
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  Speaker 3: because of constructive and destructive interference. It's the exact same
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  Speaker 3: thing you see when two separate ripples overlap in a pond.
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  Speaker 3: Where the crests of the two waves aligne, they amplify
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  Speaker 3: each other, creating a bright band of light.
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  Speaker 2: And where a crest meets a trough, they cancel each
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  Speaker 2: other out, leaving a dark band. Precisely meaning the light
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  Speaker 2: passing through the left slit was physically overlapping and interfering
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  Speaker 2: with the light passing through the.
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  Speaker 3: Right slit, which firmly established that light had to be
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  Speaker 3: a wave, because a stream of tiny particle bullets like
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  Speaker 3: your paintballs wouldn't interfere with themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Like that, right, they wouldn't cancel each.
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  Speaker 3: Other out in mid air exactly, so, the scientific community
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  Speaker 3: essentially closed the book on the debate until nineteen oh five,
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  Speaker 3: when Albert Einstein completely upended everything.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, he was looking at something called the photoelectric effect.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it was so. The photoelectric effect is what happens
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  Speaker 3: when you shine a light on a piece of metal
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  Speaker 3: and the metal absorbs the energy and injects electrons.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, makes sense now.
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  Speaker 3: If light were purely a continuous wave, like water slowly
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  Speaker 3: eroding a cliff face, you would assume that you could
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  Speaker 3: just crank up the brightness the intensity of the light,
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  Speaker 3: and it would eventually build up enough energy to knock
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  Speaker 3: those electrons loose, regardless of the light's color.
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  Speaker 2: But that isn't what happens in the lab at all. No,
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  Speaker 2: not even clar Einstein realized that light only ejects electrons
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  Speaker 2: if it hits a very specific frequency threshold, completely regardless
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  Speaker 2: of how intense it is. Like, you could shine a
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  Speaker 2: blindingly bright red light on a piece of metal for
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  Speaker 2: a solid year and not a single electron would move.
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  Speaker 2: But a tiny dim beam of ultraviolet light knocks electrons
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  Speaker 2: loose the absolute instant it touches the metal, and.
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  Speaker 3: It baffled classical physicists. They couldn't explain it.
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  Speaker 2: The best way I've heard this explained is to imagine
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  Speaker 2: trying to knock over a heavy bowling pin. You can
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  Speaker 2: throw ten thousand pingpong balls at it representing that intense
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  Speaker 2: bright red light, and the kin won't even wobble.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great way to put it.
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  Speaker 2: But if you throw one single heavy bowling ball representing
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  Speaker 2: the high frequency ultraviolet light, the pin goes down immediately.
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  Speaker 3: That is a phenomenal analogy because it explains the exact
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  Speaker 3: mechanism at play. Einstein proved that light doesn't deliver the
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  Speaker 3: energy as a smooth, continuous wave. It arrives in discrete, quantifiable.
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  Speaker 2: Packets, tiny individual bullets of energy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, tiny bullets that we later called photons. If the
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  Speaker 3: individual photon doesn't carry enough energy, like the ping pong ball,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how many of them hit the electron,
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  Speaker 3: it won't budge.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: This discovery actually won Einstein the Nobel Prize, and it
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  Speaker 3: cemented a bizarre new reality. Light has a dual nature.
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  Speaker 3: In diffraction, it acts like a wave. In the photoelectric effect,
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  Speaker 3: it acts like a particle.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, science begrudgingly accepts that a wave of light
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  Speaker 2: can act like a physical particle. But did anyone think
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  Speaker 2: to ask if the street runs both ways? Like, if
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  Speaker 2: a wave can act like solid matter, can solid matter
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  Speaker 2: act like a wave?
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  Speaker 3: Louis de bro Lee asked exactly that. In nineteen twenty four,
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  Speaker 3: he proposed a wild hypothesis. Every single particle of matter
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  Speaker 3: in the universe has an associated wavelength, every part every
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  Speaker 3: single one. He even wrote a beautifully simple equation for it.
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  Speaker 3: The wavelength of any object equals Planks constant divided by
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  Speaker 3: the object's momentum.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, I have to push back here because I
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  Speaker 2: have mass, and when I'm walking, I have momentum. So
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  Speaker 2: according to that equation, I have a wavelength.
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  Speaker 3: Mathematically, yes, you do.
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  Speaker 2: So when I walk through a doorway, I'm essentially a
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  Speaker 2: particle passing through a slit. Why don't I diffract? Like
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  Speaker 2: why don't I create a human interference pattern on the
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  Speaker 2: other side of the room.
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  Speaker 3: It comes down to the sheer scale of the numbers involved.
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  Speaker 3: To understand why you don't diffract, we have to look
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  Speaker 3: at Plank's constant. Think of it as the fundamental pixel
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  Speaker 3: size of the universe. Okay, it is an infinitesimally small number.
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  Speaker 3: It starts with a decimal point followed by thirty three zeros.
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  Speaker 3: Because you are a macroscopic Your mass and momentum are
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  Speaker 3: just gargantuan compared to a subatomic particle.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I'm a lot heavier than an electron.
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  Speaker 3: Slightly so when you divide that tiny constant by your
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  Speaker 3: massive momentum, the resulting wavelength is trillions of times smaller
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  Speaker 3: than a single proton. It's so small that it has
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  Speaker 3: absolutely no physical effect on reality.
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  Speaker 2: Good to know, I am safely a solid object.
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  Speaker 3: You are, But consider an electron. If you accelerate an
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  Speaker 3: electron through a typical laboratory voltage, its momentum is incredibly tiny.
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  Speaker 3: When you run the math, it's to broadly. Wavelength comes
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  Speaker 3: out to roughly a tenth of an animator.
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  Speaker 2: Which, if I remember right, is the exact distance between
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  Speaker 2: atoms and a solid crystal exactly.
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  Speaker 3: It is the perfect size for nanoscale diffraction. In nineteen
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  Speaker 3: twenty seven, two separate teams proved this wasn't just some
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  Speaker 3: mathematical trick. Clinton Davison and Lester Jermer bounced electrons off
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  Speaker 3: nickel crystals, and independently, George Paget Thompson shot electron beams
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  Speaker 3: through thin metal films.
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  Speaker 2: And they saw diffraction patterns, didn't they? He did identical
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  Speaker 2: to the patterns you'd get if you've shown X ray
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  Speaker 2: waves through those exact same materials. These tangible physical pieces
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  Speaker 2: of matter were behaving like pure waves.
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  Speaker 3: It completely shattered the classical boundary between energy and matter.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, knowing that electrons have wavelengths is fascinating, but
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  Speaker 2: figuring out how they actually behave as waves leads us
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  Speaker 2: to what I genuinely think is the strangest experimental result
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  Speaker 2: in the history of science.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, the single particle double slit experiment.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this is where classical physics just gives up the
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  Speaker 2: ghost entirely. Physicists decided to run Thomas Young's double slit
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  Speaker 2: experiment again, but with matter, and they reduce the intensity
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  Speaker 2: of the beam so drastically that only one single particle,
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  Speaker 2: one electron, entered the apparatus at a time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a cure Autonomura did this with electrons in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: eighty nine.
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  Speaker 2: So you fire one single electron toward the two slits.
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  Speaker 2: It travels through and it hits the screen at the
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  Speaker 2: back as a single distinct dot, a localized impact. It
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  Speaker 2: acted exactly like a tiny bullet.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Then you fire another one, you get another single dot,
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  Speaker 2: and if you look at the screen.
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  Speaker 3: After a few dozen electrons, it just looks completely random,
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  Speaker 3: like bullet holes scattered on a wall.
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  Speaker 2: But then you let the experiment run for hours. Thousands
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  Speaker 2: of single solitary dots accumulate one by one, and as
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  Speaker 2: the dots build up, they don't form two bands behind
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  Speaker 2: the slits. Those isolated dots magically build up the exact
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  Speaker 2: same wave interference pattern that alternating barcode of bright and
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  Speaker 2: dark stre I used to think of this like sending
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  Speaker 2: one person into a maze, completely alone with no way
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  Speaker 2: to communicate. Yet somehow they know the dead ends and
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  Speaker 2: form a crowd pattern with thousands of other isolated runners.
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  Speaker 2: It's spooky, But that analogy doesn't actually explain the physics
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  Speaker 2: what is actually passing through those slits if it's only
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  Speaker 2: one particle.
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  Speaker 3: To explain the actual mechanism, we have to talk about
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  Speaker 3: Schrodinger's wave function. What passes through the slits is not
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  Speaker 3: the physical electron splitting in half like a piece of bread.
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  Speaker 3: What passes through is a wave of pure probability.
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  Speaker 2: A probability wave.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the math describes the likelihood of finding the particle
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  Speaker 3: at any given location before the electron hits the screen.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't have a single definite location. Its probability spread
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  Speaker 3: out like a physical wave.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, so the probability itself is a wave.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and that probability wave goes through both slits, simultaneously
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  Speaker 3: ripples out on the other side and interferes with itself.
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  Speaker 3: Where the probability waves cancel each other out, chance of
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  Speaker 3: the electron landing there drops to absolute zero. Oh I see,
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  Speaker 3: And where they reinforce each other there is a high probability.
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  Speaker 2: So the dark strikes on the screen aren't places where
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  Speaker 2: the electron is blocked. They are places where the probability
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  Speaker 2: of the electron existing has been mathematically canceled out by
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  Speaker 2: its own wave function.
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  Speaker 3: You hit the nail on the head. When it finally
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  Speaker 3: hits the screen, the wave function collapses and the particle
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  Speaker 3: is detected whole. It rises a localized point, but its path,
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  Speaker 3: the reality of where it actually was between the electron
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  Speaker 3: gun and the screen, remains completely indetermined.
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  Speaker 2: It was literally a wave of pure potential exactly, which
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  Speaker 2: leads to the most obvious question, what if we just.
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  Speaker 3: Peak ah the measurement problem?
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  Speaker 2: Right, If the particle's path is a ghostly wave of probability,
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  Speaker 2: what happens if we put a camera or a detector
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  Speaker 2: right at the slits to catch it in the act
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  Speaker 2: like we just watched, to see which slit the electron
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  Speaker 2: actually goes through.
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  Speaker 3: This is the crux of the whole mystery. Meils Bore
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  Speaker 3: formulated something called the complementarity print. It states that the
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  Speaker 3: ways and particle aspects of a quantum system are mutually.
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  Speaker 2: Exclusive, meaning you can't have both right.
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  Speaker 3: You can design an experiment to see the wave nature,
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  Speaker 3: or you can design an experiment to gather which way
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  Speaker 3: information and see the particle nature, But you can never
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  Speaker 3: ever see both at.
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  Speaker 2: The same time because of the moment you put a
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  Speaker 2: detector at the slits. Wait, let me use a dash there.
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  Speaker 2: The moment you put a detector at the slit's the
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  Speaker 2: interference pattern vanishes, the probability wave collapses, and the electrons
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  Speaker 2: just form two solid bands on the backscreen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they act like bullets again.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I have to stop you here because this is
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  Speaker 2: the part that sounds like actual magic. Are you implying
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  Speaker 2: the particle possesses some kind of awareness, because I've seen
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  Speaker 2: pop science articles claim that human consciousness, like the simple
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  Speaker 2: act of a mind looking at something alters physical reality.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what's happening.
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  Speaker 3: It is incredibly tempting to go down that philosophical rabbit hole,
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  Speaker 3: but we really have to ground this in the physical
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  Speaker 3: mechanism of measurement. It's vital to debunk the consciousness myth.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, good because it sounds a bit out there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it is. When physicists use the word observation or measurement,
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  Speaker 3: they absolutely do not mean a conscious mind observing something.
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  Speaker 2: Then what actually causes the wave function.
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  Speaker 3: To collapse physical interactions just bumping into it exactly. A
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  Speaker 3: measurement is a physical interaction with a macroscopic apparatus. Think
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  Speaker 3: about how a detector actually works. To detect an electron
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  Speaker 3: passing through a slit, you can't just passively look at it.
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  Speaker 3: You have to bounce a photon of light off it
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  Speaker 3: or interact with its electromagnetic feel.
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  Speaker 2: You have to physically touch it in a quantum sense.
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  Speaker 3: Precisely, you can't observe something without bumping into it. Gaining
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  Speaker 3: path information physically disturbs the delicate system, and the precision
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  Speaker 3: with which physicists can prove this mechanism is just staggering.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, how precise are we talking? Well?
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  Speaker 3: In twenty twenty five, a team at MIT ran this
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  Speaker 3: experiment using ultra cold atoms as the actual slits.
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  Speaker 2: Atoms as the slits.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Instead of a solid barrier with holes, they used
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  Speaker 3: lasers to trap atoms in a specific arrangement. When a
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  Speaker 3: single photon passed through this atomic slit, it gave the
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  Speaker 3: atom a tiny microscopic kick.
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  Speaker 2: Meaning the atom itself acted as a quantum memory of
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  Speaker 2: which path the photon took.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they had such exquisite control over the system that
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  Speaker 3: they could tune the atom's sensitivity, controlling exactly how much
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  Speaker 3: which way information they were extracting.
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  Speaker 2: And what did they find?
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  Speaker 3: They proved a direct mathematical correlation. The more path information
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  Speaker 3: you physically gather from the atoms, the less visibility the
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  Speaker 3: wave interference pattern has on the backscreen. It's a sliding
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  Speaker 3: scale based entirely on physical entanglement, not human consciousness.
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  Speaker 2: That makes perfect sense for a physical detector. But what
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  Speaker 2: about John Archibald Wheeler's delayed choice experiments?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, those are wild.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one that always completely loses me because it
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  Speaker 2: seems to defy the linear flow of time entirely.
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  Speaker 3: Wheeler's delayed choice pushes the weirdness to its absolute limit.
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  Speaker 3: He proposed a thought exper decades ago, which we have
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  Speaker 3: now perfectly executed in the lab. The setup is this,
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  Speaker 3: You fire the particle and you let it pass through
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  Speaker 3: the two slits. You allow the probability wave to travel
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  Speaker 3: through both.
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  Speaker 2: Paths, so it's already through the slits acting as a wave.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. But then, at the very last microsecond before the
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  Speaker 3: particle hits the backscreen to form the interference pattern, you
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  Speaker 3: decide whether or not to turn on your which way detectors.
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  Speaker 2: You gather the path information after the particle has supposedly
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  Speaker 2: already made its choice.
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  Speaker 3: And what happens if you turn the detectors on after
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  Speaker 3: the particle has passed the slits? The interference pattern is
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  Speaker 3: still erased.
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  Speaker 2: It's as if the particle reaches back in time, realizes
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  Speaker 2: you're going to measure it, and decides to have gone
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  Speaker 2: through only one slit like a particle instead of both
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  Speaker 2: slits as a wave. I mean, how is that physically possible?
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  Speaker 3: It looks exactly like retroactive influence, which is why it
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  Speaker 3: breaks our brains. But the mechanism physicists us to explain
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  Speaker 3: this is that a quantum system doesn't have a definite
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  Speaker 3: path or a definite path independent of the entire measurement context.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure I follow.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, the whole experimental setup, from the emitter to the
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  Speaker 3: final detector, regardless of when it's activated, defines the observed reality.
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  Speaker 3: You cannot separate the particle from the apparatus measuring it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, the math works, The experiments are flawless. We know
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  Speaker 2: precisely what happens when we measure these particles, but physicists
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  Speaker 2: are still fiercely debating why reality operates this way.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, we have perfect equations to predict the results, but
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  Speaker 3: the interpretation of reality itself is entirely fractured into different camps.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with the most traditional one, then, the Copenhagen
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  Speaker 2: interpretation right.
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  Speaker 3: Championed by Bora and Heisenberg. Copenhagen essentially says that the
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  Speaker 3: wave function is just a mathematical tool calculating probabilities. It
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  Speaker 3: isn't a real physical thing.
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  Speaker 2: Just math.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, when physical measurement happens, that probability wave instantly collapses
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  Speaker 3: into a single point of reality. Copenhagen argues that asking
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  Speaker 3: what the particle is doing before you measure it is
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  Speaker 3: a meaningless question. Reality simply doesn't exist in a defined
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  Speaker 3: state until interaction forces it too.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit unsatisfying, honestly, very uh shut up in
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  Speaker 2: calculate it is very pragmatic. What about the Many World's interpretation?
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  Speaker 2: That one sounds like a sci fi movie, But I
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  Speaker 2: know physicists take it incredibly seriously.
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  Speaker 3: They do because it solves the measurement problem mathematically. The
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  Speaker 3: Many World's interpretation argues that the wave function never actually collapses. Instead,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: the wave function is a literal physical object. It is
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: the universe itself. Oh wow, Yeah, every possible outcome described
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  Speaker 3: by the probability wave actually happens just in branching parallel realities.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: So how does a branching parallel universe explain the barcode
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  Speaker 2: pattern on the wall of the laboratory.
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  Speaker 3: Well, in many worlds, when you fire a single electron,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: there is a reality where it goes through the left
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  Speaker 3: slit and a reality where it goes through the right slit.
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  Speaker 3: Because these realities are so similar, they physically interact.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Wait, they interact.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the interference pattern we see on our screen is
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: actually the physical friction the overlap of those parallel realities
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  Speaker 3: rubbing against each other the dark stripes, or where the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: parallel universes cancel each other out. In our perspective, that
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: is heavy.
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  Speaker 2: We are casually discussing parallel realities colliding to form shadows
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  Speaker 2: on a wall. What's the alternative to that?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: The main alternative is the pilot wave theory or de
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: brogly bomb theory. This one is entirely deterministic. It says
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: the particle is always a solid, definite bullet with a
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: definite pass, but it is being physically surfed along by
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  Speaker 3: a real, unseen wave of pilot waves, so it's riding
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: the wave exactly. It removes the randomness of quantum mechanics,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: but the tradeoff is intense. It requires the universe to
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: be deeply non local.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Meaning things instantly affect each other across vast distances faster
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: than light spooky action at a distance exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And whichever interpretation you subscribe to, you have to accept
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: that reality is deeply weird. And we are proving this
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: duality in larger and larger systems. We've seen matter wave
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: interferometry with massive molecules, we've seen it with small viruses,
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  Speaker 3: and just in twenty twenty six, researchers successfully observed wavelike
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  Speaker 3: interference in positronium.
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  Speaker 2: Positronium is an exotic atom made of an electron and
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: a positron. Right, it's antimatter, Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It is. We are now proving that even the fundamental
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: building blocks of antimatter are governed by this exact same
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: wave particle duality. They paint interference patterns, one detection at
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  Speaker 3: a time, governed by the same probability waves.
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  Speaker 2: This all sounds like esoteric philosophy branching realities pilot waves antimatter,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: But I think it's crucial to point out that this
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: isn't just theoretical musing the phone in my hand. The
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: computers we use daily, they rely on this exact quantum
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: weirdness to function.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: It is the absolute bedrock of modern technology. Yeah, every
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: time a grocery store scanner uses a laser, it is
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: relying entirely on the wave nature of light. Every time
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: a solar panel captures energy from the sun, it is
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: relying entirely on the particle nature of light that photoelectric
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: effect Einstein described.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: And the microchips inside our phones, the.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Modern semi many conductors inside those chips rely on an
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: understanding of both the transistors in your phone are incredibly tiny,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: just a few atoms wide, really small, very small. If
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: engineers treated the electrons flowing through them purely as classical particles,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: the chips wouldn't work. Because electrons act as probability waves,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: they can literally tunnel right through the physical barriers inside
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: the chip. Engineers have to explicitly use quantum mechanics and
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: wave particle duality to design barriers that account for this
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: wave like behavior.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Duality isn't a glitch in our understanding. It is a
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: feature of a deeply interconnected reality that we have harnessed
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: to build the modern world.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible. It completely dismantles classical realism. A particle simply
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: lacks a definite path, maybe even a definite existence, until
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: it physically interacts with something else. Right at the fundamental level,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the universe operates on its own, strange, elegant rules that
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: couldn't care less about our macroscopic logic.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: We constantly try to force the universe into our neat
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: little categories. It must be a wave or it must
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: be a particle. But the universe is simply being itself,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: whether it's photons of light, electrons of matter or complex molecules.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: They dances both simultaneously.
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  Speaker 2: Which brings us right back to where we started. Imagine
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: that massive ocean wave collapsing into a single grain of
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: sand the moment it touches the shore. I want to
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: leave you with a final thought to chew on. If
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the fundamental building blocks of you, the device you are holding,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and everything around you don't pick a definite state or
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: a definite location until they physically interact with something else. Wait,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: let me rephrase, until I physically interact with something else.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: What does that actually say about the nature of reality
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: when no one is looking?
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: That's the big question.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Are we living in a universe that is only painting
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: itself into existence right as we bump into it?
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It is the ultimate mystery.
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  Speaker 2: Until next time, keep wondering.