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The Kenny Report | 25 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 2: Kenny Report. Tonight, the Misinformation and Disinformation Bill is toast.
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Speaker 2: But how can Labor be trusted now? Haven't they revealed
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Speaker 2: for all time how they want to censor us banning
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Speaker 2: a former Israeli politician staying silent on the International Criminal Court,
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Speaker 2: The appalling lack of leadership from Anthony Alberanisi on Israel
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Speaker 2: as we face an ugly wave of anti Semitism here
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Speaker 2: in Australia.
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Speaker 1: I'll also explain why Labor.
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Speaker 2: Is partly to blame for the idiotic climate protests for
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Speaker 2: deviling this country. So much to cram in tonight, plus
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Speaker 2: Sophie Illsworth live from London and Gemtone Uni and Caroline
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Speaker 2: Drusso joined me on the set and they'll be on fire.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. We are in this country without leaders.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi is the man who isn't there. He is
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister in name only, and this vacuum at the
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Speaker 2: top is damaging this country every day.
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Speaker 1: It seems to be getting worse by.
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Speaker 2: The minute, especially when it comes to anti Semitism and
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Speaker 2: what's become the greatest threat to our social cohesion.
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Speaker 1: In living memory.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the grotesque decision of the International Criminal
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Speaker 2: Court last Friday to issue arrest warrants for Israeli Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his former Defense minister. Here is
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Speaker 2: an outrageous slur against the democratic leader of an ally
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Speaker 2: of Australia. This is the twisted mischaracterization of a country's
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Speaker 2: efforts to defend its people. It's the trashing of the
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Speaker 2: legal principles that underpin the iuble c And it involves
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Speaker 2: the distortion of the facts and a sickening false equivalence
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Speaker 2: between the actions of an Islamist terrorist organization in Hamas
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Speaker 2: and the legitimate government of a liberal democracy in Israel.
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Speaker 2: And our Prime minister's response on Friday, on Saturday, on
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Speaker 2: Sunday and today was to say nothing. Even sleepy Joe
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Speaker 2: Biden showed more energy, more character and more strength than
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Speaker 2: ALBERNIZI strongly condemning this appalling action. Albernize needs to condemn
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Speaker 2: this abomination, announce that Australia will have no party to
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Speaker 2: implementing it, and begin the process of withdrawing Australia from
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Speaker 2: the isle See which now is clearly yet another multilateral
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Speaker 2: body that has proven itself to be jaundiced and ineffectual
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Speaker 2: and tragically anti Semitic. To boot, our prime minister is weak,
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Speaker 2: so weak that his government has changed Australia's position in
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Speaker 2: the United Nations, now voting in favor of motions critical
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Speaker 2: of Israel and pretending there is a Palestinian state. And
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Speaker 2: last week we learned Labor has also denied a visa
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Speaker 2: to former Israeli Justice Minister Alt Shakhed, another insult directed
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Speaker 2: against Israel and Jewish people by the Albanesi Labor government.
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Speaker 2: What is the Prime minister playing at? There is a
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Speaker 2: war going on in the Middle East between the liberal,
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Speaker 2: democratic and free nation of Israel and those attacking it,
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Speaker 2: bloodthirsty Zealots committed to destroying Israel and eradicating Jews from
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, groups like Humas, Islamic Jihad Hesbalah and
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Speaker 2: the Hutis and their sponsor nation, of course, the Islamic
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Speaker 2: Republic of Iran. It's not hard to choose sides. This
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Speaker 2: is a battle between good and evil, between victim and aggressor,
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Speaker 2: between freedom and a theocratic monoculture. Anthony Albanesi and his
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Speaker 2: government fath around with moral equivalents. I think they're trying
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Speaker 2: to please everyone, but instead they are abandoning Israel, standing
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Speaker 2: for nothing and seeking to appease the anti Israel Zellos.
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Speaker 2: Not only this is this week, it's dangerous. Look at
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Speaker 2: what happened in Canada on the weekend.
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Speaker 3: A Friday night protest in Montreal turned destructive, cars on fire,
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Speaker 3: smoke bombs launched, and windows smashed at downtown businesses, and
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Speaker 3: escalation of what started as pro Palestinian and anti NATO protests,
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Speaker 3: which filled the streets of downtown Montreal as NATO officials
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Speaker 3: gathered to meet in the city. Police say three protesters
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Speaker 3: were arrested. One officer suffered minor injuries. Witnesses say there
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Speaker 3: were significant clashes between police and demonstrators. Several protesters were
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Speaker 3: injured by police at least we're taken to hospital.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, weakness from the top only encourages hatred like this,
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Speaker 2: and now even the uber woke Canadian government has had
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Speaker 2: to admit that what it's seeing is not an anti
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Speaker 2: war movement but racist hatred.
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Speaker 4: What we saw was night peaceful protests.
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Speaker 5: What we saw was actually violence, heat and anti semitism.
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Speaker 4: And this has no police on our streets.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's no denying this.
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Speaker 2: There were Nazi salutes in Montreal and protesters talking about
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Speaker 2: a final solution.
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Speaker 1: No less, this.
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Speaker 2: Sort of hatred flourishes when there's no pushback, when there's
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Speaker 2: no leadership, it just keeps getting worse. So in Australia
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Speaker 2: we've seen hate preachers celebrating the slaughter of Jews, and
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Speaker 2: we've seen angry mobs chanting against the Jews, and we've
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Speaker 2: seen regular protests demonizing Israel and praising terrorist groups, and
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Speaker 2: all the while we've seen a softly softly approach from
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Speaker 2: authorities and from the Prime Minister, and we wonder why
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Speaker 2: it only ever gets worse. Last week we saw that
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Speaker 2: horrible anti Israel graffiti attack on cars and buildings in
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Speaker 2: Sydney's Eastern suburbs, along with references to PKK, a Kurdish
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Speaker 2: terrorist group, and one car was also set alight.
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Speaker 1: And today police arrested.
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Speaker 2: And charged a twenty year old man, Mohammed Farhat over
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Speaker 2: the attack, apprehended at Sydney Airport as he was attempting
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Speaker 2: to leave Australia. The charges so far relate to property damage,
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Speaker 2: entering properties and defensive behavior but not to any alleged
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Speaker 2: anti Semitic hate crimes. Fahat apparently sports a hes be
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Speaker 2: tattoo on his neck.
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Speaker 1: Just extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Remember displaying the symbols of listed terrorist organizations in public
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Speaker 2: is itself against the law. Social cohesion is being undermined
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Speaker 2: in this country. The Australian Jewish community is under attack
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Speaker 2: and feeling vulnerable, and it continues to get worse because
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Speaker 2: there is no leadership. Clearly the nation's hate speech laws
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Speaker 2: are either ineffectual or not being enforced. Shadow Home Affairs
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Speaker 2: Minister James Patterson gave a speech to a Jewish group
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Speaker 2: yesterday that promised a starkly different approach if the Coalition.
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Speaker 1: Returns to power.
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Speaker 2: There's great moral power and authority in the office of
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, said Patterson. It is past time it was used.
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Speaker 2: No Australian will be in any doubt where the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister stands on antisemitism. If Peter Dutton occupies that office,
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Speaker 2: there will be no hesitation, equivocation or ambivalence when it
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Speaker 2: comes to confronting extremism. Yes well, said James Patterson, but
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Speaker 2: we must not sit back and accept labours in action now.
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Speaker 2: This can't wait for a change of government. This is
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Speaker 2: urgent right now, so we've got to implore labor to
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Speaker 2: do better, implore them to act. I've got to say
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Speaker 2: there were many reasons the Albanese labor government needs to go.
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Speaker 1: The national energy, self.
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Speaker 2: Harm, the cowtowing to China, the uncontrolled immigration, the expansion
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Speaker 2: of big government and the reckless spending that goes with it.
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Speaker 2: But for me, the weakness on Israel and in the
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Speaker 2: face of antisemitism at home. This is the number one
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Speaker 2: reason Albanesi labor has to go, because it's undermining the
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Speaker 2: very character of this nation, our core strength of tolerance,
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Speaker 2: of live and let live. Prime Minister, please show some leadership.
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Speaker 2: It's not only your job, it's your responsibility and you're
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Speaker 2: letting the country down. So for more on this, I
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Speaker 2: want to welcome to the program Rabbi Benjamin Elton. He's
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Speaker 2: the chief minister at the Great Synagogue in Sydney and
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Speaker 2: he joins.
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Speaker 1: Me now live. Thanks for joining us, Rabbi.
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Speaker 2: I know you you don't want to get into partisan politics,
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Speaker 2: but tell me what you feel about the anti semitism
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Speaker 2: directed at your community now and what sort of support
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Speaker 2: you're getting from the federal government.
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Speaker 6: Well, thank you for having me. The writing anti Semitism,
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Speaker 6: which has been enormous in the past year four hundred
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Speaker 6: and twenty seven percent calling to the lust Bible statistics,
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Speaker 6: creates the spirit of intimidation of fear, where Australian citizens
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Speaker 6: just trying to go around, live their lives, do their work,
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Speaker 6: see their friends, feel afraid to do so. And the
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Speaker 6: problem has been that the leaders of our country, not
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Speaker 6: all of them, but many of them, have not set
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Speaker 6: a clear stance which says this is an Australian We
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Speaker 6: can't tolerate this, that enough is enough, and we have
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Speaker 6: to re establish our shared values of disagreeing without being threatening,
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Speaker 6: without being violent, without being intimidating.
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Speaker 2: Surely, when we see episodes such as the chanting of
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Speaker 2: Where's the Jews? Or guess the Jews at the Opera House,
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Speaker 2: when we see Shaikher standing on the streets of Sydney
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Speaker 2: celebrating the slaughter of Jews on October the seventh, surely
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Speaker 2: that you would also expect law enforcement authorities to act
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Speaker 2: in that case is where are the hate speech? If
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Speaker 2: these sorts of events go unpunished.
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Speaker 6: We need to look at all avenues that can address
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Speaker 6: these problems. We need to look at enforcement, and we
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Speaker 6: also need to look at criminal offenses and the penalties
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Speaker 6: for them. We're all concerned about free speech. We live
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Speaker 6: in a liberal society, want it to remain a liberal society,
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Speaker 6: and people have a right to protests, but they don't
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Speaker 6: have a right to say hateful, violent, dangerous things. And
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Speaker 6: so I want to see a continued review of the
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Speaker 6: law and when the law is in place, that it
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Speaker 6: is thoroughly enforced. Because we've now reached the stage where
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Speaker 6: this is where lives are at stake. When a car
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Speaker 6: is set a light in a residential area, a terrible
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Speaker 6: tragedy could have occurred as a result of that. We've
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Speaker 6: gone beyond the stage of as you said, softly, softly,
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Speaker 6: that be a clear stance, including the revision I and
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Speaker 6: the enforcement of the law.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned that violent detech.
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Speaker 2: They're setting a light over a car, there are death threats,
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Speaker 2: there are been threats of violence.
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Speaker 1: Where do you fear this could end? If it's unchecked,
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Speaker 1: it lending tragedy.
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Speaker 6: Unless we deal with it, we will see a further
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Speaker 6: collapse of Australian civil society, of the civic culture which
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Speaker 6: we work so hard.
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Speaker 7: To build up.
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Speaker 6: Ever, a very long period that was expected of me
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Speaker 6: to sign up to when I became an Australian citizen
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Speaker 6: three or four years ago. And we're going to see
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Speaker 6: real violence and real suffering and a total breakdown of
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Speaker 6: relationships between communities across the board. We need to take
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Speaker 6: action in order to maintain the harmonious coexistence of our communities,
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Speaker 6: not to privilege one of another, but so we can
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Speaker 6: all live together or contribute to Australian society and all
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Speaker 6: live respectfully with and alongside each other.
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Speaker 2: How much responsibility for this situation resks with the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: with the leader of the country.
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Speaker 1: And what would you like to see Anthony Albanezi do.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think you put your finger on it. He
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Speaker 6: is the leader of the country and therefore primary responsibility,
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Speaker 6: i'm afraid, has to rest with him.
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Speaker 8: That's what leadership is.
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Speaker 6: I think he's a man of goodwill. I don't think
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Speaker 6: he's malicious, but I think he has fallen short in
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Speaker 6: exercising the clarity of the leadership which is needed at
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Speaker 6: this time. I think there's been a lack of understanding
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Speaker 6: about the depth of the problem, the extent of the
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Speaker 6: difficulties we face.
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Speaker 9: So, first of.
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Speaker 6: All he needs to lead an effort so that is
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Speaker 6: fully confronted, fully realized and understood, and then to send
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Speaker 6: very clear signals, not using inadequate tool or soft language,
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Speaker 6: but sending very clear signals that this is unacceptable. Un
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Speaker 6: Australian will not be tolerated, and the Australia we all
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Speaker 6: value and we all want to live in is at
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Speaker 6: stake and is at risk, and threats to that will
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Speaker 6: not be allowed to go unchecked.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, Redbi, I wonder if you could explain to
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Speaker 2: me how the past thirteen months of threats, of intimid
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Speaker 2: of feeling vulnerable, how that's manifested within your community.
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Speaker 6: It's been a time of deep distress, deep hurt and
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Speaker 6: pain as we saw the society around us, in some
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Speaker 6: cases that turned violently towards us, in some cases turn
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Speaker 6: its back upon us. A society where we thought we
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Speaker 6: were fully integrated, to which we contributed so much and
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Speaker 6: want to contribute so much. We felt so let down,
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Speaker 6: and we've felt deeply wounded by our enemies and also
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Speaker 6: by those who don't stand up with us against our enemies.
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Speaker 2: Rabbi, thanks so much for joining us, so I appreciate
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Speaker 2: it Rabbi Benjamin Nelton there, who's the Chief Minister of
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Speaker 2: the Great Synagogue in Sydney, joining us to talk about
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Speaker 2: how this issue is impacting on the Jewish community in
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Speaker 2: Australia and the leadership I'd like to see from the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. I want to pursue this issue of the
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Speaker 2: International Criminal Court action now and I'm joined by Professor
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Speaker 2: of Law at Woollongong Universe, Greg Rose.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Gregor, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: THEICC arrest warrants issued for BENJAMINETTNYA who as Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and of course he's former Defense Minister.
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Speaker 1: Explain to the rest of us what the.
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Speaker 2: Double c has to make these charges, call for these arrests,
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Speaker 2: and how Australia is, as a signatory to that court,
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Speaker 2: is expected to act.
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Speaker 8: Thank you, Chris Well. There are about one hundred and
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Speaker 8: twenty four countries that have signed on to the Court
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Speaker 8: out of one hundred and ninety four UN members, so
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Speaker 8: looking at about two thirds. The one third that hasn't
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Speaker 8: signed on isn't bound by the Rome Statute for the Court.
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Speaker 8: Israel isn't bound, US, isn't bound, China, Russia, Turkey, Most Asia,
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Speaker 8: Pacific countries are not party or members of the Court.
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Speaker 8: So this is the first time that an International Criminal
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Speaker 8: court non member state Israel has been brought to the court.
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Speaker 8: The first liberal democracy brought to the Court which is
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Speaker 8: not a member by a member of the Court, Palestine,
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Speaker 8: which goes under the name the State of Palestine, but
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Speaker 8: which the Court itself recognized couldn't be at this stage
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Speaker 8: considered to be a state. So a non state member
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Speaker 8: of the Court has brought a non member of the
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Speaker 8: Court which is a state, to a prosecution for war
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Speaker 8: crimes alleged. And the failures here are huge in the
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Speaker 8: sense that not only is the Court got the international
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Speaker 8: law wrong on matters relating to statehood, but also its
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Speaker 8: own jurisdiction, where under the Rome Statute it's meant to
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Speaker 8: defer to the domestic processes of the country where which
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Speaker 8: is alleged to have committed the crimes.
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Speaker 1: I'll come to that.
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Speaker 2: I'll come to that next, Gregor. I appreciate it, but
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Speaker 2: just to affirm that point, the court's got its own
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Speaker 2: process is wrong because it's effectively giving the non state
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Speaker 2: of Palestine there's the status of a state, and it's
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Speaker 2: laying charges the relate to a country that's that's not
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Speaker 2: a signatory to the statute.
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Speaker 8: It's a bit like my saying I'm moving into the
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Speaker 8: lodge because i want to be Prime minister. I'm not
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Speaker 8: prime minister yet, but I'm moving in.
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Speaker 1: So just analogy, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: I mean when it's wrong at law, and this is
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Speaker 2: this is what's so concerning about I've got to say
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Speaker 2: I was working for the Foreign Minister Alexander Downer at
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Speaker 2: the time Australia signed up to this, and ironically enough,
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Speaker 2: Josh S. Fredenberger went on to be Treasurer of course,
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Speaker 2: was the policy adviser advising Alexander Downer at the time.
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Speaker 2: And the real concern at that time was the International
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Speaker 2: Criminal Court could be used in a political way, as
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Speaker 2: so many UN bodies have been against Israel or other states.
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Speaker 2: Now all of that was supposedly allayed by the sorts
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Speaker 2: of rules that you've talked about.
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Speaker 1: But that just ignored them and gone after Israel.
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Speaker 8: Anyway, Well, the rule of law doesn't really apply within
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Speaker 8: the United Nations most international lawyers, except that the UN
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Speaker 8: muddles along because it doesn't work. Its machinery is not
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Speaker 8: precision rule of law machinery. So everything is fudged. You
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Speaker 8: have an assembly of state parties which control the court,
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Speaker 8: the appointments of judges, the appointment of the prosecutor. That's
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Speaker 8: a political body. Fifty seven states are members of the
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Speaker 8: Organization for Islamic Cooperation and they, in the negotiation of
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Speaker 8: the statute for the Court, actually shaped it to criminalize
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Speaker 8: Israel retrospectively under a change to the laws of occupation.
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Speaker 8: So even before the Court was born, it was a
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Speaker 8: political instrument.
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Speaker 1: That's a critical point.
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Speaker 2: It's more of a political organization than a legal organization.
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Speaker 2: Yet our Foreign Minister had this to say this afternoon
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Speaker 2: in the Senate.
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Speaker 10: I have made clear many times in this place that
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Speaker 10: all parties the conflict must comply with international law, and
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Speaker 10: I again say we respect the independence of the International
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Speaker 10: Criminal Court and its important role in upholding international law.
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Speaker 1: That's a really worrying statement. She's just going with the flow, which.
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Speaker 2: Means theoretically, if Benjamintnyahu were to visit Australia, as he
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Speaker 2: did just a couple of years ago, Australia might arrest him.
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Speaker 2: But I want to go to the second important point
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Speaker 2: you were moving on to, and that is under the
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Speaker 2: International Criminal Court, statute.
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Speaker 1: They're supposed to allow for.
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Speaker 2: Those existing democratic and legal processes to take primacy. In
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Speaker 2: other words, because Israel is a democracy and has a
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Speaker 2: functioning legal system, it should be expected to undertake any
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Speaker 2: processes legal or otherwise against any wrongdoing, rather than this
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Speaker 2: multilateral body stepping in.
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Speaker 8: Well, under the rule of law, there's the notion of
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Speaker 8: due process and of procedural fairness. But the International Criminal Court,
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Speaker 8: although that is prescribed in its statute, it's not observed
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Speaker 8: in the actual implementation. I mean, there are many examples,
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Speaker 8: but I might just start by mentioning that the high
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Speaker 8: level military group that visited Israel and was an international
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Speaker 8: group of legal military experts, found that the Israeli investigation
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Speaker 8: self investigation process was perfectly adequate and in fact, the
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Speaker 8: Binskan investigation by our own Chief Air Marshal on a
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Speaker 8: mission sent by Penny Wong into the World Central Kitchen
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Speaker 8: in Broglio where Israel mistakenly struck a humanitarian convoy concluded
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Speaker 8: that the Israeli accountability processes were adequate and superior to
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Speaker 8: the Australian processes, at least in terms of speed of
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Speaker 8: delivery of outcomes, which included the firing of several senior
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Speaker 8: military officers considered responsible for the mistake.
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Speaker 1: And then we.
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Speaker 8: Also have breaches of procedural fairness with the inversion of
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Speaker 8: the burden of proof. So the way that the Court
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Speaker 8: has just formulated its issue of warrants, it requires Israel
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Speaker 8: to prove innocence. It requires Benjamin et Yahu and Yoav
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Speaker 8: Glant to demonstrate that they had no criminal intention, rather
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Speaker 8: than demonstrating more other than the court finding on the
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Speaker 8: evidence that they had a criminal intention. In fact, the
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Speaker 8: court's substantive judgment is two pages and it's really a
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Speaker 8: sad joke. Israel has lodged an objection against the presence
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Speaker 8: of one of the three judges on the bench because
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Speaker 8: she actually worked in the prosecutor's office. So normally, if
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Speaker 8: you have a judge working on a case and then
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Speaker 8: going to judge it, working on it as a prosecutor
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Speaker 8: and then judging it, that would be considered to give
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Speaker 8: a reasonable apprehension of bias, which it's just extrawdinary sistance.
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Speaker 1: We are almost out of time.
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Speaker 2: Just briefly, should Australia withdraw from the court, Does this
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Speaker 2: prove that the court is beyond redemption?
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Speaker 8: It's my firm belief that the Court is undermining the
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Speaker 8: rule of law, the integrity of the United Nations and
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Speaker 8: the Court's credibility in fact is shot. And the best
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Speaker 8: thing that Australia could do would be.
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Speaker 2: To pull out strong assessment there, Greg Gross thanks so
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Speaker 2: much for joining assess Greg Grose, who's a professor of
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Speaker 2: law at Wollongong University. I concur with that summation. Absolutely,
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Speaker 2: we should get out of this court. It's proved itself
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Speaker 2: to be nothing but a kangaroo court. It is to
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Speaker 2: prosecute what was obviously a political cause here rather than
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Speaker 2: one rooted in proper international law. Now there is some
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Speaker 2: good news out of Canberra yesterday it came Labour has
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Speaker 2: given up on its move to sense a free speech
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Speaker 2: for now at least it's abandoning its misinformation laws, which
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Speaker 2: had no hope of getting through the Senate. They were
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Speaker 2: going to be blocked by the Coalition One Nation and others,
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Speaker 2: and with that writing on the wall, even the Greens
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Speaker 2: decided to oppose them.
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Speaker 1: Here's the Employment Minister Murray Watt yesterday.
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Speaker 11: It's very disappointing that again we see that teaming up
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Speaker 11: between Peter Dutton and the Greens to block legislation that
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Speaker 11: Labor is attempting to pass and that the community support.
23:52
Speaker 11: I think about eighty percent of the Australian community would
23:55
Speaker 11: agree that misinformation and disinformation online and on social media
24:00
Speaker 11: is a really serious issue that the Parliament should come
24:03
Speaker 11: together on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, mate, we're all against misinformation.
24:07
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean we want you deciding what's truthful and what's not.
24:10
Speaker 2: Let's bring in Liberal Senator Alex Antik, he joins me
24:13
Speaker 2: live from Canberra. Well, don Alex, you're one of the
24:16
Speaker 2: ones who've opposed this early and strongly, and it's a
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Speaker 2: good victory for now.
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Speaker 1: But shouldn't we be worried?
24:22
Speaker 2: Doesn't this mean but Labour's showed its armed now, this
24:26
Speaker 2: has showed its hand. This is what they want to
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Speaker 2: do should they ever get the chance again.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, Chris, I mean it is a very good
24:33
Speaker 9: short term victory. I think these things are always short
24:36
Speaker 9: term victories because you know, freedom and liberty and censorship
24:40
Speaker 9: is always a heel we need to protect and that's
24:43
Speaker 9: probably true here. But the short term, it's an extremely
24:46
Speaker 9: embarrassing moment for this government, one of many throughout the
24:49
Speaker 9: course of this term. And Australia didn't want this bill,
24:52
Speaker 9: by the way, I mean, that is just not correct.
24:55
Speaker 9: That is misinformation. The reality here is that I have
24:58
Speaker 9: never ever seen or backlash from the community about a
25:02
Speaker 9: bill I think probably in my whole time here. The
25:04
Speaker 9: original Exposure draft had twenty three thousand submissions. That was
25:08
Speaker 9: a year ago, and the new version has just been inundated.
25:13
Speaker 9: The committee was inundated before it delivered its report, and
25:16
Speaker 9: it delivered a report today saying this bill shouldn't proceed.
25:19
Speaker 9: So how embarrassing is that for this government. It's a
25:22
Speaker 9: very very clear rebuke of what they were trying to do,
25:26
Speaker 9: which was install the Ministry of Truth. Whichever way you
25:28
Speaker 9: peel the onion, that is what was trying to be
25:30
Speaker 9: done here. And look, I think you're wise in suggesting
25:34
Speaker 9: that the battle is not over, because there is clearly
25:38
Speaker 9: a push for this. Where it's coming from is a
25:40
Speaker 9: very very interesting question. We had Michael Shellenberger, the US
25:43
Speaker 9: journalist and free speech advocate in the building last week.
25:46
Speaker 9: He was one of the key movers of the Twitter
25:48
Speaker 9: files scandal and coined the phrase censorship industrial complex, which
25:53
Speaker 9: of course talks about the convergence of government media so
25:57
Speaker 9: these powers who want to control what we speak and
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Speaker 9: what we say, they're international. We're part of that five
26:03
Speaker 9: eyes community and we have to be vigilant about what
26:05
Speaker 9: comes next.
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Speaker 2: We've got to be very vigilant, which is why I
26:08
Speaker 2: want to remind you about this.
26:10
Speaker 1: Here's the National's leader, David little Proud last year.
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Speaker 12: I think the intent of what the Gumstrom do here
26:16
Speaker 12: makes sense, and I think it does come back to
26:19
Speaker 12: the policing part of it. But it is important social
26:21
Speaker 12: media kill this country with what's on it at the moment,
26:24
Speaker 12: some of the rubbish that's on there.
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Speaker 2: So that was a coalition sort of supporting the intent
26:29
Speaker 2: of the misinformation lausing, in fact claiming credit for it
26:32
Speaker 2: early on. I should note that up on Twitter yesterday
26:35
Speaker 2: or social media yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
26:37
Speaker 2: David little Proud is very pleased we've successfully stopped Labour's
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Speaker 2: misinformation Bill. So allowing for some of that background, Alex,
26:47
Speaker 2: does the coalition now know that that was wrong to
26:51
Speaker 2: sort of back these sort of laws that your best
26:53
Speaker 2: to stay right out of this field.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think part of the furious background to all
26:59
Speaker 9: of these law and that includes the laws to ban
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Speaker 9: underage social media sixteen and below. Social media as well
27:06
Speaker 9: is the use of things that people don't like, which
27:09
Speaker 9: is just rubbish on the Internet, and of course that
27:11
Speaker 9: is the case. But look, I think this has been
27:13
Speaker 9: a bit of a learning curve and for some and
27:15
Speaker 9: I think that what we're now seeing is more of
27:17
Speaker 9: an understanding about.
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Speaker 1: What's really going on.
27:19
Speaker 9: I mean, ultimately, who benefits from people not being able
27:25
Speaker 9: to speak freely on the internet. The establishment, and that
27:28
Speaker 9: is the case.
27:31
Speaker 2: Just briefly before I get to the break, Alex, you're
27:33
Speaker 2: opposed to these restrictions age restrictions on social media. The
27:38
Speaker 2: coalition parties are going to support it, though, yeah, and look.
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Speaker 1: At Chris, I don't support it.
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Speaker 9: I think the words banned media should ever be in
27:48
Speaker 9: a sentence together. And look, I understand. I think this
27:51
Speaker 9: is genuinely coming from a good place. You know the
27:54
Speaker 9: reasons for the coalition backing these laws. But look, I'm
27:58
Speaker 9: concerned about a whole range of issues. The creep is
28:01
Speaker 9: one of them. The powers given to the commissioner, the
28:03
Speaker 9: safety commissioner, and the possibility of how this goes further
28:07
Speaker 9: in but we are talking about slicing the salami here.
28:09
Speaker 9: The more we restrict free speech. The more we get censored,
28:13
Speaker 9: the more the message doesn't get out. And by the way,
28:16
Speaker 9: the kids out there are using this for good purpose
28:19
Speaker 9: as well. We don't want to throw the baby out
28:21
Speaker 9: with the bathwood, and we have very very careful in
28:23
Speaker 9: doing that, notwithstanding the fact that I know that kids
28:26
Speaker 9: online is a problem. But this is my view, not the.
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Speaker 1: Way, Alexanderik. Thanks for joining us again.
28:31
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Senator Alexantik. There the misinformation Bill dead. That's
28:35
Speaker 2: a good thing. But you're going to remain vigilant. And
28:37
Speaker 2: now the debate shifts to the age limit for social media.
28:40
Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break on the other
28:42
Speaker 1: side of that.
28:42
Speaker 2: I'm going to cross to London to catch up with
28:44
Speaker 2: Sophie Elsworth, who's taken up a new job there. We'll
28:47
Speaker 2: talk about the thousands of farmers descending on London last
28:50
Speaker 2: week protesting inheritance taxes. Now across to London in a
28:58
Speaker 2: moment where the governor has picked a fight with far
29:00
Speaker 2: they're up in arms over inheritance taxes, worried they won't
29:03
Speaker 2: be able to pass on the family farm without paying.
29:05
Speaker 2: Through the Nose TV host and hobby farmer and Jeremy
29:09
Speaker 2: Clarkson has been a bit of a hero at the marches.
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Speaker 4: Have a look.
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Speaker 7: I'm here to support the farmers. It's that simple, because
29:20
Speaker 7: they need all the help they can get, really and
29:22
Speaker 7: I think, you know, we all make mistakes in life,
29:24
Speaker 7: and I think it's time for them to say, you
29:26
Speaker 7: know what, we've caught this one up a bit and
29:28
Speaker 7: back down. That's my view.
29:31
Speaker 2: Now we've been talking to Sophie ELL's Worth every Monday
29:33
Speaker 2: about media issues, but she's moved half way across the
29:36
Speaker 2: world now. She's now a new Corps news corpse, a
29:38
Speaker 2: UK correspondence, so she.
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Speaker 1: Joins us from London.
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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again, Sophie. It's a pretty
29:46
Speaker 2: good English story to start off on, isn't it. All
29:48
Speaker 2: the farmers are in the streets, and of course Jeremy
29:51
Speaker 2: Clark's and a bit.
29:52
Speaker 1: Of a hero sticking up for.
29:56
Speaker 2: Farmers who are not as wealthy and famous as him,
29:58
Speaker 2: but who are facing a real fear about inheritance taxes.
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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, Chris, great to be with you.
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Speaker 13: Look, the farmers came out and droves here in central
30:09
Speaker 13: London last week to protest against the inheritance tax, and
30:14
Speaker 13: the tax will impact farmers when they pass it down
30:17
Speaker 13: a generation over the one million pound amount and they'll
30:22
Speaker 13: be taxed twenty percent on this from twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 4: And they're absolutely up in arms now.
30:29
Speaker 13: Jeremy Clarkson's had a few health scares lately. He said
30:33
Speaker 13: stuff that he came into central London and all the
30:36
Speaker 13: media pack as they always do, swarmed him, with him
30:39
Speaker 13: really standing up for the mums and dads out there
30:42
Speaker 13: in the country regions of England to say this is
30:46
Speaker 13: not okay and the government must back down on this
30:49
Speaker 13: decision to implement this tax i reckon.
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Speaker 2: It's a very very powerful intervention because there's a bit
30:54
Speaker 2: of a convert to Clarkson's farm that I've caught up
30:57
Speaker 2: on during the year, watched a few series of it.
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Speaker 1: That's an immensely.
31:01
Speaker 2: Popular TV show and apart from all his fun and games,
31:04
Speaker 2: it's given people a great insight into how farmers struggle
31:08
Speaker 2: with government rules and bureaucracy.
31:10
Speaker 1: All the way.
31:11
Speaker 2: So apart from the farmers supporting what the argument Clarkson's putting,
31:16
Speaker 2: he will have taken that argument to so many people
31:19
Speaker 2: in the cities.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Chris, and this is what he does.
31:24
Speaker 13: He resonates with real people, not just Londoners. He resonates
31:29
Speaker 13: with people out there who are doing it tough and
31:32
Speaker 13: the farming community. He criticized Prime Minister Kirs Starmer said
31:37
Speaker 13: he's a vegan, said he's a nightmare for farmers and
31:40
Speaker 13: basically they need.
31:41
Speaker 4: To overturn this.
31:42
Speaker 13: He has been met with criticism though, saying he's a
31:45
Speaker 13: wealthy farmer. But Clarkson himself is saying, look, he barely
31:49
Speaker 13: knows how to do farming, and if you've watched his series,
31:51
Speaker 13: he makes some pretty serious supper. So he's really pushing.
31:56
Speaker 4: For this to be scrapped and his voice, of course
31:58
Speaker 4: is being heard.
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Speaker 1: Good on him, Good on, We'll follow that one now. JK.
32:02
Speaker 2: Rolling and Harry Potter, I can't believe it. They're now
32:05
Speaker 2: making a TV series. As if the movies haven't been
32:08
Speaker 2: big enough on the back of the books, now they're
32:10
Speaker 2: going to make a TV series and the Warner Brothers
32:13
Speaker 2: are doing it.
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Speaker 1: And as usual, all the critics are coming after JK.
32:18
Speaker 2: Rolling because of the sense she's spoken over the years
32:21
Speaker 2: when it comes.
32:21
Speaker 1: To trans issues. But good on Warner Brothers. They're backing
32:24
Speaker 1: here and they're saying JK.
32:25
Speaker 2: Rowling has a right to express her personal views. We
32:29
Speaker 2: will remain focused on the development of this new series,
32:32
Speaker 2: which will only benefit from her involvement. So, I mean,
32:35
Speaker 2: so they should stand by her. But it's a bit
32:37
Speaker 2: better than what we've seen in some other cases.
32:41
Speaker 13: Well often Chris, as you know, you see these big businesses,
32:44
Speaker 13: big corporations, big companies, they back.
32:47
Speaker 4: Down, they bow to the crowd. But in this case
32:50
Speaker 4: Warner have said no, we are supporting JK. Rolling.
32:54
Speaker 13: I mean, her Harry Potter series is known all around
32:57
Speaker 13: the world. They're now making this new TV series and
33:00
Speaker 13: they've backed in all the way and this has been
33:02
Speaker 13: met with a lot of applause here in the UK,
33:05
Speaker 13: people saying finally she can be supported.
33:10
Speaker 4: For these views, which a lot of people do agree with.
33:13
Speaker 13: She's criticized comments such as people can menstrate.
33:17
Speaker 4: She's saying it should be called women, not people who
33:20
Speaker 4: can menstrate.
33:21
Speaker 13: So just simple things like that, where she's been called transphobic.
33:25
Speaker 4: But Warner are backing her in.
33:27
Speaker 2: How extraordinary when you can make such obvious statements and
33:30
Speaker 2: it's seen as being radical. Thanks so much for joining us, Sophie.
33:34
Speaker 2: I hope you're setting into London getting used to warm
33:36
Speaker 2: beer and all that will catch up with you next week.
33:40
Speaker 4: Thanks Chris, so if.
33:41
Speaker 2: Yours with this, She's going to be a regular regular
33:44
Speaker 2: commentator and news analysts from London, which is fantastic.
33:47
Speaker 1: We're to get to a breakdown on the other side.
33:49
Speaker 2: I'm going to catch up with Liberal MP Zoey mackenzie
33:51
Speaker 2: and talk about the but easy goverment the way it's
33:54
Speaker 2: actually encouraging climate ferals.
33:56
Speaker 1: One hundred and.
33:57
Speaker 2: Seventy arrests at the Newcastle anti Clock eight blockade.
34:01
Speaker 1: On the weekend.
34:08
Speaker 2: Now spoke at the top of the program about leadership
34:11
Speaker 2: and the lack of it from the Albanzy government. We've
34:14
Speaker 2: got the same situation on climate change. Where's the leadership
34:18
Speaker 2: from governments against the idiotic climate protest. They've blocked roads
34:23
Speaker 2: and bridges and they keep inconveniencing others, and our political
34:27
Speaker 2: leaders do nothing except, of course make it worse. Our
34:31
Speaker 2: so called leaders actually make this stuff worse. The port
34:35
Speaker 2: of Newcastle was closed for a period on the weekend
34:38
Speaker 2: as climate ferals took to the water.
34:42
Speaker 14: Ignoring police warnings. Protesters headed out towards the shipping lane.
34:46
Speaker 14: Police boats tried to stop them, but a number of
34:49
Speaker 14: kayaks managed to break through. They came within meters of
34:56
Speaker 14: a bulk carrier that was being escorted into port.
34:59
Speaker 15: Direct you to not proceed past the navigation poise.
35:02
Speaker 14: Another ship heading into Newcastle, the Korean registered Oriental Star,
35:07
Speaker 14: had to be turned around just outside the harbor. A
35:10
Speaker 14: short time later, the port Authority announced that all shipping
35:13
Speaker 14: movements in and out of the port were being suspended.
35:16
Speaker 14: In a statement, it said the decision had been made
35:19
Speaker 14: due to an unacceptable risk to public safety.
35:23
Speaker 2: Just ridiculous stuff. One hundred and seventy people arrested. These
35:26
Speaker 2: people are foolish, they talk nonsense and they're seldom held
35:30
Speaker 2: responsible for their actions.
35:33
Speaker 15: No one on those ships is your enemy. Those tug
35:38
Speaker 15: boats are manned by the Maritime Union of Australia. It
35:42
Speaker 15: is through them that we have a chance of winning
35:45
Speaker 15: a just future by transitioning this port and.
35:55
Speaker 16: By your dime.
35:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, the good old Muay.
35:59
Speaker 2: Cheered unions and demonized fossil fuels while of course, using
36:03
Speaker 2: your battery powered metal loudhailer and standing on a boat
36:07
Speaker 2: full of metal and fiberglass addressing a floatilla of plastic
36:11
Speaker 2: kayaksle manufactured from fossil fuels. After they all drove up
36:15
Speaker 2: to Newcastle, of course, using fossil fuelled vehicles. And they're
36:20
Speaker 2: just not serious people, are they that they're because they
36:23
Speaker 2: want to be radicals, because they want to protest against something,
36:27
Speaker 2: against anything.
36:28
Speaker 1: And climate is the cause. Azure.
36:30
Speaker 2: Now, I suppose the kids are the ones you feel
36:33
Speaker 2: most sorry for because they don't really know any better.
36:36
Speaker 2: They're fed all sorts of alarmist nonsense at school.
36:40
Speaker 13: As on the channel seam, I'm risking arrests, and I encourage.
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Speaker 5: Everyone who can to join the fight for the future
36:49
Speaker 5: of my generation.
36:51
Speaker 6: Fight your kids' futua, fight your grandi's sha get out there,
36:56
Speaker 6: be rascals and fight.
36:59
Speaker 4: Thank you.
37:01
Speaker 1: Sad, isn't it.
37:02
Speaker 2: These kids need an education and they need to make
37:04
Speaker 2: sure they have job prospects, and they waste their time
37:07
Speaker 2: on this stuff and they get emotional about it. But
37:10
Speaker 2: again it comes back to leadership, because while the Prime
37:13
Speaker 2: Minister and the government would say that these people should
37:16
Speaker 2: obey the law and shouldn't be so selfish and stop
37:19
Speaker 2: other people going about their lawful business, the trouble is
37:22
Speaker 2: that the political leaders use the same sort of emotive
37:26
Speaker 2: and pseudo scientific language as the protesters.
37:30
Speaker 17: They also know that climate change is real. They've experienced
37:34
Speaker 17: it with bushfires, with floods, with increase numbers of and
37:40
Speaker 17: intensity of extreme weather events.
37:42
Speaker 4: It's too late to avoid the climate emergency.
37:46
Speaker 17: It's our job to act with urgency to avoid the
37:49
Speaker 17: worst of the emergency. To have always had extreme weather
37:53
Speaker 17: events in Australia, but we know that they're more intense
37:56
Speaker 17: than they've ever been, and we know they're more frequent,
38:00
Speaker 17: and we know as well that we need the whole
38:01
Speaker 17: world to engage and to act.
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Speaker 1: Talk about misinformation, it's just not true. The facts just
38:09
Speaker 1: don't stack this up.
38:10
Speaker 2: And when he got the Prime Minister and his Climate
38:13
Speaker 2: minister fanning alarmist nonsense, when they abandon science in favor
38:18
Speaker 2: of emotionalism and politicking, is it any wonder that others
38:22
Speaker 2: want to act on this rhetoric. I mean, if the
38:25
Speaker 2: leader says our very future is at stake, can they
38:29
Speaker 2: then be surprised that people go to extreme lengths to
38:32
Speaker 2: save the planet. We've got activist fools in government, which surprise, surprise,
38:38
Speaker 2: only encourages activist fools. Let's go back down to camera
38:46
Speaker 2: and catch up with Biberl and p Zoey mackenzie.
38:48
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Zoe. What can the federal government,
38:50
Speaker 1: where if a.
38:51
Speaker 2: Coalition goes back into power, what can a federal government
38:55
Speaker 2: do to stop these climate protests which end up preventing
38:59
Speaker 2: other people going about their lawful business.
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Speaker 5: Look what we saw in Newcastle over the last few
39:06
Speaker 5: days is just an outrage. I live a couple of
39:09
Speaker 5: kilometers from a shipping lane. It is extremely dangerous what
39:13
Speaker 5: they did to themselves as protesters, but equally to the
39:15
Speaker 5: ships themselves, and what might happen if they try us
39:18
Speaker 5: werve to avoid the people in the lanes, which by
39:21
Speaker 5: the way, a freighter cannot do so incredibly stupid behavior.
39:25
Speaker 5: On the weekend, I have seen that the New South
39:28
Speaker 5: Wales government is moving to so the police are moving
39:31
Speaker 5: to charge and prosecute those who put their lives and
39:33
Speaker 5: other lives at risk, which is the right thing to do.
39:36
Speaker 5: But frankly it should be called out at the national
39:38
Speaker 5: level as just stupid, reckless behavior.
39:42
Speaker 2: I'm really concerned about the retric we get from supposedly
39:45
Speaker 2: mainstream politicians.
39:47
Speaker 1: It just feeds into this. Now, sure we all want
39:49
Speaker 1: to protect the environment.
39:51
Speaker 2: I'm a former park ranger for crying out loud so
39:54
Speaker 2: and we're all committed to zero at some stage. But
39:57
Speaker 2: to try and pretend that natural asses are becoming more
40:01
Speaker 2: common and more intense, wrong.
40:03
Speaker 1: That's not what the evidence shows.
40:04
Speaker 2: To try and pretend that, you know, the planet Earth
40:08
Speaker 2: is not going to be livable, that Australia is not
40:11
Speaker 2: going to be livable, just to heighten all the emotion
40:14
Speaker 2: and all the anxiety.
40:15
Speaker 1: Of course, it ends up in these sorts of protests.
40:17
Speaker 2: We've got to be rational, calm and sober about this stuff.
40:22
Speaker 1: Exactly.
40:22
Speaker 5: There's a constant hysteria about it. But all what they
40:24
Speaker 5: need to understand is that the coal that is exported
40:27
Speaker 5: from that port in Newcastle is one of the best
40:30
Speaker 5: coals exported in the world.
40:32
Speaker 1: Australia's coal content.
40:33
Speaker 5: In terms of moisture is about nine or ten percent,
40:35
Speaker 5: and in Indonesia, the largest coal exporting the world, is
40:38
Speaker 5: about thirty percent. So it takes a lot less energy
40:41
Speaker 5: to actually burn Australian coal to produce heat. We have
40:45
Speaker 5: some of the best coal in the world. That's what
40:46
Speaker 5: gets exported from that port. It's absurd to be basically
40:50
Speaker 5: shutting down in an Australian export industry in favor of
40:53
Speaker 5: a one that's even less clean, and.
40:55
Speaker 2: Just briefly you're a home state of Victoria. This gas
40:58
Speaker 2: band a lot of resistance, understand aniably from businesses and
41:01
Speaker 2: homeowners who actually prefer gas heating and cooking.
41:06
Speaker 5: Not just that it remains still more affordable. You know,
41:09
Speaker 5: I took the advice maybe five or six years ago
41:11
Speaker 5: and put electric hydronic heating in my home and then
41:14
Speaker 5: found I couldn't run it for the next two years.
41:17
Speaker 5: It's just prohibitively expensive, particularly when most of us have
41:21
Speaker 5: houses built in the fifties, sixties and seventies and they
41:23
Speaker 5: don't have much by way of insulation, so it's just
41:26
Speaker 5: heat out through the windows or out through the roof.
41:28
Speaker 5: So it's a fool's promise to tell people if they
41:32
Speaker 5: just convert to electricity, everything will be better. You have
41:35
Speaker 5: to look at the prevailing circumstances and most importantly you
41:38
Speaker 5: have to look at what people can afford.
41:40
Speaker 2: Yes, spot on, especially in a cost of living crisis.
41:43
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Zoe, I appreciate it. Zoe mackenzie
41:46
Speaker 2: there the member for Flinders on the Mornington Polin Peninsula
41:49
Speaker 2: in Victoria, joining us live from Canberra now after the
41:52
Speaker 2: break Gemma Toanini and Caroline d Russo are going to
41:55
Speaker 2: join me live in the studio.
41:57
Speaker 1: Will be talking about.
41:58
Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe and Marine Farup, complaining about racism and sexism
42:03
Speaker 2: in Canberra, plus the Gender Equality Ambassador's huge travel build
42:08
Speaker 2: a eurispence.
42:16
Speaker 1: Let's get into the panel. We're bringing the nation together.
42:19
Speaker 2: Normally I've got Caroline de Russo on the other side
42:21
Speaker 2: of the nation, but she's in the studio with us,
42:23
Speaker 2: as is Gematon Yuni from GT Communications.
42:26
Speaker 1: Great to have you both here.
42:27
Speaker 2: Let's start off on a women's issue, because a couple
42:31
Speaker 2: of female senators reckon Parliament House and the Senator is
42:35
Speaker 2: a terribly.
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Speaker 1: Racist and sexist place. Here's Lydia.
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Speaker 18: Though we know too well from the beginning of coming
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Speaker 18: into this so called workplace that it's simply not safe
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Speaker 18: if you're a woman of color. Now, just last week
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Speaker 18: you saw a black woman, a black senator with a
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Speaker 18: black loudmouth, loud and proud, get shut down and sensient. Well,
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Speaker 18: I do wear that with a badge of honor.
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Speaker 1: This is extraordinary. Care is thought talking about herself.
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Speaker 2: She was centured by the Senate because of the terrible
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Speaker 2: behavior to the King when she was invited there. Yet
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Speaker 2: now she wants an investigation into racism and sexism and
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Speaker 2: she's the victim.
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Speaker 19: She doesn't realize it's actually got nothing to do with
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Speaker 19: her color. And she talks about that incident last week.
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Speaker 19: But there was the incident at Pride, and there was
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Speaker 19: the incident at the Women's the let women speak rally.
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Speaker 19: There's been strip clubs, whole number of incidents. There's been
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Speaker 19: a whole number of incidents where her behavior has been
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Speaker 19: absolutely unbecoming, and any censure of that is racism. And
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Speaker 19: you know what, I think people are sick of it, Chris.
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Speaker 19: I think people are sick of it because they know
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Speaker 19: that's not real and that there is just that victim mentality.
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Speaker 19: She thinks she's beyond reproach, and guess what she's not.
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Speaker 2: It occurs to me when you mentioned strip club, but
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Speaker 2: her and Kevin Rud, I've got something. And Kevin Rud
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Speaker 2: and Lydia Thorpe the only two politicians whose behavior was
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Speaker 2: actually still appalling even for a strip club.
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Speaker 16: To well, I'm going to do like a sergeant Shultz,
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Speaker 16: I see nothing, but I will say these are not
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Speaker 16: serious people, These are not these are people who I
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Speaker 16: resent my taxes paying their wages too. They are time wasting, toxic, ineffective,
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Speaker 16: unfit and unbecoming. So you know what, just go waste
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Speaker 16: time elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: Well the other one is Marine Ferruki, the Green Senator
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Speaker 2: in cahoots with Lydia Shaw.
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Speaker 20: When you're dare quite out racism and the double standards
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Speaker 20: used in this place, you are shut down, you're silenced,
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Speaker 20: and you are gaslighted. If there is any workplace that
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Speaker 20: needs unpacking of white fragility and white privilege, it is
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Speaker 20: right here in this parliament.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well there they are, Marine Fericki, Lydia Thorpe.
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Speaker 2: So discriminated against, So diminished are they that they're senators
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Speaker 2: and they get.
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Speaker 1: To talk all the time and accuse everybody else of
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Speaker 1: being horrible.
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Speaker 16: I want to hear about Senator Freiki talking about her
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Speaker 16: various investment properties that the Australian people through her role
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Speaker 16: as the Centerman. She's allowed to use her wages however
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Speaker 16: she likes. But if it's so terrible, I mean, these
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Speaker 16: are not serious people. There are problems in our community,
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Speaker 16: no question about it. Not there and that is not
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Speaker 16: the way to do it.
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Speaker 19: And there is a there is a double standard. But
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Speaker 19: it's a double standard where independence like that and where
45:38
Speaker 19: minor parties like that actually get away with behavior which
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Speaker 19: would never be tolerated within either of the majores. That's
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Speaker 19: the double standard works in her favor, not against.
45:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, spot on. Let's talk about somebody else who's
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Speaker 1: a serious person.
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Speaker 2: And whose wages and more we pay for as taxpayers.
45:55
Speaker 2: She is the gender equity ambassador. We introduced you to
45:59
Speaker 2: her two years ago.
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Speaker 21: Hey, look, hello, I'm Stephanie Copus Campbell, Australia's new Ambassador
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Speaker 21: for gender equality. I'm incredibly honored to take on this
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Speaker 21: role as the lead international advocate for Austraia's commitment to
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Speaker 21: gender equality and the human rights are women and girls
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Speaker 21: and persons of diverse gender identities.
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Speaker 1: So it was only a year ago.
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Speaker 2: But what astonishes me here, Gimmer is she's paid a
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Speaker 2: healthy salary couple one hundred thousand dollars of TAXPAS money.
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Speaker 2: She's spent over three hundred thousand dollars traveling the world
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Speaker 2: to advance the interests of Australian girls and women's and
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Speaker 2: transgender apparently to New York a couple of times, to Mexico,
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Speaker 2: to South America.
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Speaker 1: What of absbial?
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Speaker 16: What a croc of proverbial? This is the sort of
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Speaker 16: garbage that I've shared this on this program. I shared
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Speaker 16: it in the paper in my column. I've been the
46:49
Speaker 16: woman paid half the literally fifty percent less than the
46:52
Speaker 16: bloke doing less work than me. I understand what that
46:55
Speaker 16: particular minure sandwich tastes like. It's not pleasant. What is
46:59
Speaker 16: she doing for three hundred grand worth of travel?
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Speaker 4: Where are the outcomes? I've actually never.
47:03
Speaker 16: Heard of this woman before, never heard of her. What
47:07
Speaker 16: is she doing? What are her outcomes? Who is she
47:09
Speaker 16: responsible for? Where is the material benefit? For God's sake,
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Speaker 16: give us an election, Chris.
47:14
Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is just wasting our money. They're having a.
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Speaker 2: Lead of us paying her a fortune traveling the world
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Speaker 2: to do nothing, actually probably to do bad things for
47:22
Speaker 2: the country rather than any good.
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Speaker 19: Well, there's two things here. First of all, people like that,
47:27
Speaker 19: and many of our parliamentaries actually don't know how hard
47:30
Speaker 19: it is to earn three hundred grand after tax.
47:33
Speaker 4: So the people who.
47:34
Speaker 19: Have, who have earned that money, many of you look
47:37
Speaker 19: at our nurses and whatever, who would earn that over
47:40
Speaker 19: multiple years? I mean that must go down sideways. But
47:44
Speaker 19: the other thing is if you're traveling to places like
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Speaker 19: Mexico and whatever, Well, I'm sure that they don't do
47:51
Speaker 19: gender equality better than we do.
47:52
Speaker 4: So why are you going? What is she like the
47:55
Speaker 4: host of.
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Speaker 19: Getaways or something like it is you are not going
47:58
Speaker 19: to learn anything from there that we either don't already
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Speaker 19: do better or.
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Speaker 16: Do we Just sorry, I'll go through this is how
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Speaker 16: we roll or in the stadio?
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Speaker 1: Do we have a men We have a one for men.
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Speaker 1: I'm available.
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Speaker 2: There we go and there's a lot of countries that
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Speaker 2: haven't been to it.
48:15
Speaker 1: I want to go check them out and check out.
48:17
Speaker 2: You want to jump like to make your report the
48:20
Speaker 2: Ambassador for Men and Boys, Chris Kenney, Well, for my life.
48:24
Speaker 1: That'll keep me going. That'll be my happy third career.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
48:27
Speaker 2: I know you guys are often do you know, have
48:29
Speaker 2: fun and put in a good word for me if
48:31
Speaker 2: you get it.
48:32
Speaker 1: Caroline Durso and jemmytan Yini.
48:35
Speaker 2: Now I just want to finish up with some of
48:36
Speaker 2: your feedback from what we had to say last week.
48:38
Speaker 2: But that's shocking anti Semitic attack in the eastern suburbs
48:41
Speaker 2: of Sydney, and one viewer says it's disgusting how weak
48:44
Speaker 2: Australia has become under the alb and Easy government, because
48:47
Speaker 2: I spoke a lot about how we needed a leadership
48:49
Speaker 2: against this stuff. Alistairs says over the last thirty months,
48:53
Speaker 2: what positives has Elbow done about anything. And we also
48:58
Speaker 2: have a viewer saying to the Jewish people, I want
49:02
Speaker 2: you to know how sorry I am that we have
49:05
Speaker 2: let you down. It's time for action to bring back
49:08
Speaker 2: the Australia we once had. And another viewer says, thank
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Speaker 2: you Chris for airing all this injustice against Israel and
49:15
Speaker 2: here in Australia and absolutely at the top of the
49:18
Speaker 2: program if you missed it and go back on the
49:20
Speaker 2: website or on YouTube and see the two interviews at
49:24
Speaker 2: the top of the program with the chief Rabbi here
49:26
Speaker 2: in Sydney and also Greg Rose, professor of law about
49:30
Speaker 2: the International Criminal Court action against Israel. It is an abomination.
49:35
Speaker 2: Yet the Alban Easy Labor government is just going along
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Speaker 2: with it. No leadership yet again. I'll see tomorrow night
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Speaker 2: at five o'clock. Here's Peter Quivlent