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Epstein Files Unsealed: The Ghislaine Maxwell 2019 SDNY Grand Jury Transcript (Part 2) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Glenn Maxwell grand jury Transcript. Question,
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  if you could turn to the next slide, please, have
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  you obtained records from interlochan for the summer of nineteen
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  ninety four? Answer yes, question and what are we looking
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  at on this slide? Answer this shows who some of
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  the individuals that were there were present for the camp
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  in ninety four on here as redacted and redacted and
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  redacted and redacted. Question and have you investigated whether Maxwell
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  and Epstein were also at interlochin that summer of ninety
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  four as redacted described? Answer yes. Question based on your
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  review of records from Interlochin. What is your understanding of
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  Epstein's relationship with Interlochin Answer? My understanding was that he
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  was a donor to the school. Question did he make
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  any substantial donations? Answer he did. Question did he donate
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  a lodge to the camp in the summer of nineteen
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  ninety four? Answer yes, he did. Question did he have
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  a long standing relationship as a donor to Interlogan? Answer yes.
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  Question turning to the next slide. Is this an excerpt
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  of a letter from Interlogan to Epstein? Answer yes it is.
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  Question and does this letter thank Epstein for donating a
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  scholarship lodge? Answer yes. Question does it invite Epstein to
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  visit in the August of nineteen ninety four? Answer yes?
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  In nineteen ninety four, did Epstein have a private jet?
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  Answer yes, he did. Question have you obtained the flight
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  logs for that jet? Answer yes. Question do those logs
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  include passenger lists and the airport code for the airports
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  that the plane flew into and out of? Answer yes.
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  Turning to the next slide, is this a page of
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  the flight logs that you reviewed? Answer yes. Question and
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  on this excerpt of the flight log where the red
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  arrow is, is that a log entry showing an August eighteenth,
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  nineteen ninety four flight to an airport with the airport
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  code TVC? Answer yes. Question is TVC the airport code
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  for Cherry Capitol Airport in Traverse City, Michigan? Answer yes,
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  it is. Question about how far is that airport from
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  interlochan by car? Answer about twenty five minutes, give or take.
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  Question and two are the listed passengers on this flight?
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  Answer Jeffrey Epstein, redacted, pH and redacted. Question turning to
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  the next slide, is this the same excerpt but just
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  with a different arrow? Answer yes. Question Okay, so a
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  few lines down. Is there a flight at a Traverse
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  city just two days later on August twentieth, nineteen ninety four.
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  Answer yes. Question And do the passengers listed in the
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  flight at a Traverse City include the initials GM? Answer?
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  Yes they do. Question are those Maxwell's initials? Answer yes.
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  Question have you obtained any records from Interlogan to indicate
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  that Maxwell was at Interlogan in nineteen ninety four? Answer yes. Question,
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  If we could turn to the next slide, can you
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  please explain for the grand jury what we're looking at
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  on this slide? Answer? This was a letter from Interlogan
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  addressed to Maxwell telling her that they found an envelope
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  in the lodge that they had been staying in. Question,
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  all right, we were talking a few moments ago about
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  how redacted describe meeting Maxwell and Epstein at summer camp,
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  and you testified that she provided them with her phone number.
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  Did redacted explain to you whether or not she had
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  any contact with Epstein or Maxwell after she returned from
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  Palm beach. Answer yes. Question when was the next time
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  that happened? Answer shortly thereafter? Question and how did that occur?
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  She was invited to his home, so her and her
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  mother went to Epstein's house to visit. Question what did
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  Redact to tell you about that visit to Epstein's house
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  with her mother? Answer she said it was wait, can
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  you rephrase that? Question of course? Did Redacted go to
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  the house by herself or with her mother? Answer with
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  her mother? Question okay? And when they went to the house,
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  what did they do there? Answer they had tea? Question
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  who was there when they had tea at the house?
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  Answer Epstein and Maxwell. Question what did they discuss as
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  they had tea? Answer they just talked about her life
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  and you know what she wanted to do. Question did
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  Epstein make any offers? Answer he said that he gives scholarships,
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  he likes to mentor people. Question how did Redacted's mother
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  react when Epstein said this? Answer she was happy for
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  her daughter and oftentimes referred to Epstein as Redacted's godfather
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  after the occasion when they went over to the house. Thereafter,
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  did Redacted subsequently begin regularly spending time with Maxwell and
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  Epstein at Epstein's house in Palm Beach Answer yes. Question
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  and did that start when she was approximately age fourteen?
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  Answer yes, question and did it continue until she was
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  about seventeen? Answer yes it did. Question And during those
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  years did she regularly go over to Epstein's house in
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  Palm Beach and spend time with Maxwell and Epstein? Answer yes.
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  Question What happened in the summer of ninety seven when
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  she was seventeen and about to turn eighteen. Answer she
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  moved to New York City. Question Why did she move
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  to New York City? Answer? She wanted to pursue a
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  career in acting and modeling. Question. We'll talk about that
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  in a moment, but for now, I want to focus
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  on the years you talked about in Palm Beach, from
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  ages fourteen to seventeen, when redacted would regularly go to
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  Epstein's house. In the beginning, in the first few months
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  when she went there, What kind of things did she
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  do when she would visit the house when Maxwell and
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  Epstein were there. Answer she would hang out by the pool,
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  They would take her to the movies, take her shopping.
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  She'd described behavior as grooming. Question. When you say grooming,
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  did she explain what she meant by this answer, she
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  meant that they were building a relationship with her, giving
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  her things, taking her places, and then usually when the
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  grooming happens and offender will once they gain that trust,
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  they will make the relationship turn sexual. Question, Now you
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  testify just a moment ago that redacted describe to you
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  that she felt that this time period that they were
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  grooming her. Is that right? Answer? Yes? Question Is that
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  something that she realized in the time when she was
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  fourteen or something that she's described to you? Now answer
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  something she's described now, she didn't realize that at the time. Question.
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  So now we'll talk a little bit more about grooming
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  in a moment, but just to give context, are you
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  familiar with the term grooming based on your experiences investigating
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  crimes involving a sexual exploitation of minors and her? Yes? Question.
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  Generally speaking, you were touching on this a moment ago,
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  but if you could just explain in full what is grooming. Answer?
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  Grooming is when someone builds a relationship with a child,
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  they find a vulnerability or need, and then they work
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  on gaining that child's trust and then oftentimes gaining a
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  parent's trust. Once they have that trust, they show that
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  in ways that they care about them by giving them
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  gifts and promises, and then once that's established, they then
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  turn the relationship sexual, oftentimes making sexual comments and normalizing
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  the behavior. Question Now, during these visits that you've been
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  describing that Redacted told you about, did Redacted say whether
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  Epstein ever give her anything? Answer? Yes, she did. Question
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  what did he give her? Answer? He gave her cash.
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  Sometimes he tell her to give the cash to her
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  mom because he knew that she needed it. He paid
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  for her voice lessons as well. Question Now you're describing
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  how Redacted was characterized these visits, but based on your
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  conversations with her at the time, did she feel that
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  these visits were strange at all? Answer? She thought they
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  were strange, but Maxwell normalized it for her. She was
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  like a cool older sister and made comments like this
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  is what grown ups do. Question you use the phrase
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  cool older sister? Is that a phrase that Redacted used
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  to describe how she felt about Maxwell at the time
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  and what Maxwell was like? Answer? Yes, those are her words.
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  Question did there come a time these visits when Redacted
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  saw Maxwell topless by the pool? Answer yes. Question, and
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  what did she tell you about that? Answer, she was
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  a little taken aback, but Maxwell just acted normal. Did
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  redacta tell you about an incident several months into the
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  arrangement when she was alone with Epstein in the pool house?
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  Answer yes. Question and when they were alone together, did
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  Epstein ask redacted what she wanted to do with her life? Answer?
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  He did? What did she say? Answer? She said she
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  wanted to be an actress and a model. Question how
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  did Epstein respond? Answer? He told her that he was
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  best friends with the owner of Victoria's Secret, told her
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  that she would never have to have photographs taken and
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  that she got to be comfortable in her underwear and
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  not be approved. When she asked what that meant, he
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  pulled her in his lab and masturbated. Question What was
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  her reaction? Answer she felt paralyzed. She froze. Question After
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  this incident, did he redacted it have any encounters with
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  Epstein that includes sexual contact? Answer yes. Question over time,
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  did the sexual abuse escalate? Answer it did. Question from
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  what she's described to you, Did the abuse include Epstein
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  digitally penetrating redacted? Answer yes. Question did it include Epstein
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  using a vibrator on her? Answer yes. Question did she
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  describe to you that there were times when Epstein would
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  direct Redacted to while he masturbated. Answer yes. Question, did
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  Redacted explain to you what her memories are like of
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  the abuse? Answer yes, question, what did she say about that? Answer?
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  She said that it happened so often that it all
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  kinds are run together. For that it's hard to separate
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  out some of the different instances of abuse. Question you
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  are describing how Redacted explained to you that the abuse began.
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  Did that occur based on what Redacted told you within
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  the first year that she met Epstein and Maxwell? Answer yes, question,
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  Now did or adacted also describe to you that once
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  this abuse started, Epstein would also bring her into his
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  massage room in the house. Answer yes, question And were
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  there times where he did this where there are other
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  women president, including Maxwell? Answer yes, question was Redacted abuse
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  during those episodes? Answer? Yes, she was? Question during these
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  group encounters or the adult women wearing? Answer they were
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  usually just in their underwear. Question And once they were
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  all in the massage room, how would these episodes generally start? Answer?
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  They would generally start with one of the girls massaging Epstein.
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  Redacted was usually massaging his feet. Maxwell was kind of
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  teasing the girls, She'd grab the girl's breasts, and she
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  would direct the girls on what to do. Question when
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  these episodes would start in general, was Epstein generally lying
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  face down on the massage table? Answer yes, Question what
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  would happen as things progress, generally speaking from what she
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  described to you? Answer? When Epstein would decide he was
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  kind of done with the regular massage, he would turn
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  over on his back, and he'd grab whichever girl he
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  wanted to either touch him or whatever girl he wanted
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  to touch. Question did these episodes include sex acts that
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  over time in various instances that included Epstein masturbating, Epstein
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  receiving oral sex, and Epstein engaging in intercourse. Answer yes,
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  all right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
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  in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All of the information
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  that goes with this episode can be found in the
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  description box.