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Theo and Sen. John Kennedy Discuss Middle East Conflicts(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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Speaker 1: I just saw that Tucker Carlson said he's not supporting.
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Speaker 1: Can you bring that up? Tucker Carlson said he's not
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Speaker 1: supporting Republicans in the midterms. Yep.
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Speaker 2: I think he's leaving the Republican Party.
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Speaker 1: Longtime conservative commentator Tucker Carlson said on a podcast that
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Speaker 1: there's no chance I would support the Republican Party ahead
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Speaker 1: of the November midterm elections. Not going to support the
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. Carlson was quick to add. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what I'm going to do. Carlson supported Trump in 2024.
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Speaker 1: did he say why they're making decisions on the basis
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Speaker 1: of other criteria? What's the, what's best for this company?
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Speaker 1: What's best for Israel? Oh, that's right. He said he
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Speaker 1: felt like it was becoming Israel first party and not
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Speaker 1: America first. That's a big person to not have support from,
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Speaker 1: you know, because he's been a big supporter of the
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Speaker 1: Republican party for a while. I've been a consistent defender.
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Speaker 1: He says for 35 years of the Republican party, I
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Speaker 1: mean very consistent defender, but there's no defending this, he said.
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Speaker 1: So no, I'm out. What's your response to that? Well,
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Speaker 1: I know Tucker.
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Speaker 2: He is very, very smart. He's very articulate. He has
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Speaker 2: fallen out with President Trump and with those of us
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Speaker 2: in the Senate who support Israel. He primarily fell out
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Speaker 2: with President Trump. Over the conflict in Iran. Now, I've
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Speaker 2: been very supportive of the president on the conflict in Iran.
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Speaker 2: I don't want America to be the world's policeman, but
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Speaker 2: I don't want Xi Jinping in China or the Ayatollah
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Speaker 2: in Iran or Vladimir Putin in Russia to be the
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Speaker 2: world's policeman either. And these are hard men. They understand
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Speaker 2: one thing, Theo. Strength. If you turn the other cheek
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Speaker 2: to these people, they'll just stab you in the neck.
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Speaker 1: Now— What proof of that is there?
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Speaker 2: You just look at their actions. Iran is the world's
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Speaker 2: foremost exporter of terrorism. Putin, who now, of course, runs Russia,
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Speaker 2: wants to dominate Eastern and Central Europe, which is— President Trump
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Speaker 2: is— has gotten Europe to start spending more money on defense,
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Speaker 2: but we've always had to defend them. I can tell
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Speaker 2: you what President Xi, I've met with President Xi. He
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Speaker 2: is very clear. He thinks that China is ascending. He
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Speaker 2: thinks America's in decline. He thinks while they're building ships
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Speaker 2: and nuclear weapons, he thinks all we do in America
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Speaker 2: is sit around and debate whether a man can breastfeed.
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Speaker 2: And he and Putin and the Atoll and Iran are
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Speaker 2: working together. And China's goal is to dominate the Indo-Pacific,
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Speaker 2: to be free to roam in sub-Saharan Africa and South America.
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Speaker 2: He wants to dominate the Arctic. He wants to dominate space.
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Speaker 1: But has he shown those things?
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Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, China is supporting Iran right now. China
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Speaker 2: is supporting Iran. Russia and war in Ukraine. There's no question.
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Speaker 2: China buys all of Putin's oil. We sanctioned a lot
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Speaker 2: of their oil when Putin invaded Ukraine. So he can't
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Speaker 2: sell it because oil is traded in dollars. He sells
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Speaker 2: it to China. Look, I don't hate anybody. And the
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Speaker 2: Chinese people, to the extent that the Communist Party in
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Speaker 2: China will let you interact with them, are lovely people,
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Speaker 2: but they are determined, they hate America. And deep down,
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Speaker 2: the Iranians are worse, but deep down, they want to
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Speaker 2: kill us and hurt us the entire time we're dying. Now,
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Speaker 2: that's my point of view. Tucker will have a different
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Speaker 2: point of view.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: He thinks, and he thinks that we're too close to Israel.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, these, from people, From
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Speaker 1: people that I see all the time, that's the number
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Speaker 1: one thing that people say. They think we're too close
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Speaker 1: to a country that's created a genocide against Palestine and
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Speaker 1: then is in conflict with these other people around them.
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Speaker 1: It seems like they're just kind of the bullies of
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Speaker 1: the area. It feels like they're the terrorist organization. That's
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Speaker 1: what it seems like to a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people believe that. I'll give you another
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Speaker 2: point of view. The real problem in the Middle East—
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Speaker 2: since forever. Since God was a baby, the real problem
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East is Iran. And Iran wants to
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Speaker 2: dominate it. And Iran funds Hezbollah and Hamas. Israel is
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Speaker 2: surrounded by people that want to kill them. Syria is
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Speaker 2: different today, but Syria, Hezbollah was in control of Lebanon.
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Speaker 2: Hamas An arm of Iran was in control of the
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Speaker 2: Gaza Strip. Hamas attacked Israel. And the Israelis fight back.
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Speaker 2: And they took over the Gaza Strip. And, yes, a
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Speaker 2: lot of Palestinians got hurt.
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Speaker 1: Not got hurt. I mean got killed.
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Speaker 2: Got killed and hurt. But Hamas would– Hamas would hold
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Speaker 2: the Gazans hostage. They would put them out front.
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Speaker 1: But how do we even know that? They killed 220-something.
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Speaker 1: Because we've seen it. But they killed 220-something journalists that
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Speaker 1: went there to document what was going on.
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Speaker 2: There's no question there have been civilian deaths.
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Speaker 1: They wouldn't let journalists in to even document what was
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Speaker 1: happening there.
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Speaker 2: There have been civilian deaths, but it is primarily the fault.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying Israel is blameless. Look, war is ugly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but is this war?
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Speaker 2: But it is war.
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Speaker 1: You think it's war? It is war. They just had
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Speaker 1: an article yesterday that came out from the UN. If
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Speaker 1: you could find that, it was about they'd done like
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Speaker 1: a deep dive on the killing of children, right, and
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Speaker 1: some of the massacring and really massacring of children. Israel
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Speaker 1: continues to commit genocide atrocity crimes by deliberately targeting Palestinian children.
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Speaker 1: UN Independent Commission finds. Even after the October 2025 ceasefire,
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Speaker 1: children continue to be killed and seriously injured. with continued
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Speaker 1: disregard by Israel for the ceasefire and for the protection.
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Speaker 1: Let me see what else here. Here are some findings
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Speaker 1: of the commission. Israel has killed 20,000 children and injured 44,000
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Speaker 1: more since October 7th, 2023. Let me see. Palestinian children
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Speaker 1: have been arrested and subjected to torture and other severe
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Speaker 1: forms of mistreatment in Israeli prisons. This is all part of,
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Speaker 1: let me see, United Nations.
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Speaker 2: Well, first, I wouldn't believe it if it came from
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Speaker 2: the U.N. Oh, really?
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like they're not liable?
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Speaker 2: No, they're not.
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Speaker 1: They're not, sorry, reliable.
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Speaker 2: They're not objective. Okay. They're not objective. Number two, and
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Speaker 2: I know children got killed, and it breaks your heart.
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Speaker 2: Hamas kills children, too. So does Hezbollah. So does Iran.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the Ayatollah doesn't care about the Iranian people?
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Speaker 2: The Persians are some of the most talented people in history.
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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: When they disagree with the ITO, they hang them. They
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Speaker 2: just hang them. And I think, I don't speak for Mr. Carlson,
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Speaker 2: but he says it's not our business. And I guess
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Speaker 2: to some extent he's right, but I'll tell you what
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Speaker 2: is our business, is letting them get a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 2: Because if they get a nuclear weapon, these people are
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Speaker 2: like Charlie Manson. They're crazy. I mean, really crazy is rare.
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Speaker 2: These people, though, with the Iranian leadership, it's commonplace. If
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Speaker 2: they get a nuclear weapon, they will use it, not
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Speaker 2: just on Israel, but on Europe and on us. And
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Speaker 2: even if they don't, once they get a nuclear weapon,
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Speaker 2: you will have other countries, Japan, South Korea, other countries
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Speaker 2: using Saudi Arabia get nuclear weapons as well. And the
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Speaker 2: more people that have nuclear weapons, more likely you are
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Speaker 2: to have war.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But Tucker would probably have another point of view. But
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Speaker 2: I really like Tucker. I think he's really smart. Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think Tucker's a neat guy. I mean, from what
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Speaker 1: I know about him, he seems like I believe that
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Speaker 1: he's earnest, like in his search. You know, I believe
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Speaker 1: that he I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: My interactions with them have always been good. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's just that. When they kill the reporters who are
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Speaker 1: trying to get honest information, they're killing reporters. I don't
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Speaker 1: think it was intentional, but– They had one that they
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Speaker 1: shot directly in the face, and then at her funeral,
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Speaker 1: they attacked the people who were carrying her. Can you
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Speaker 1: find her name? We just talked about her last night.
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Speaker 1: Sorry to go in all this. No, it's okay. But
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Speaker 1: at her funeral, they attacked– they even attacked the people
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Speaker 1: who were giving her funeral, Shireen Abu Akbar. Claire was
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Speaker 1: a prominent Palestinian-American journalist who worked as a reporter for
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Speaker 1: 25 years for Al Jazeera before she was killed by
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Speaker 1: Israeli forces while wearing a blue press vest and covering
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Speaker 1: a raid on the Jenin refugee camp.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, that's terrible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But here's what you have to understand about the world.
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Speaker 2: um and i don't know why this is if i
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Speaker 2: make it to heaven i'm gonna ask god but there's
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Speaker 2: some people out there in the world they're not sick
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Speaker 2: they're not mixed up it's not that their mama and
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Speaker 2: daddy didn't love them enough they just got black hearts Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And some of them run countries. North Korea, Russia, China, Iran.
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Speaker 1: But what are those countries actively doing right now? Like
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Speaker 1: Bibi Netanyahu and the Israeli government is actively– well, from
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Speaker 1: a lot of people believe, and I believe a lot
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Speaker 1: of voters believe that they're actively committing– have committed a
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Speaker 1: genocide in Palestine, and then they've gone into Beirut, to Lebanon.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that. To Iran. You don't believe they are?
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that. I believe that Hamas– Which is
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Speaker 2: an arm of Iran. Hamas dominated Gaza. Hamas attacked Israel.
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Speaker 2: Hamas was hiding behind the Palestinian civilians.
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Speaker 1: All of them?
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Speaker 2: All of them. All of them. If you didn't obey,
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Speaker 2: if the Palestinian civilians didn't obey Hamas, they would kill him. Okay?
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Hamas was in complete control. Israel attacked. When Israel attacked Hamas,
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Speaker 2: many civilians got killed, and it was regrettable. But what
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Speaker 2: are you going to do? Iran was hiding, physically hiding
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Speaker 2: behind them. While that happened, Hezbollah from Lebanon, funded by Iran,
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Speaker 2: attacked Israel. And all Israel has done is fought back. Now,
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that– In the fog of war, there
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Speaker 2: haven't been innocent people killed. There have been. And it's terrible.
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Speaker 2: But it's not like Israel is the bad guy and
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Speaker 2: Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran are the good guys because
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Speaker 2: they're not. And these weakness invites the wolves. I wish
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Speaker 2: it weren't like that. I wish it weren't. I wish
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Speaker 2: you could sit down and reason with them. But it's
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Speaker 2: like talking to Charlie Manson. He was stone cold crazy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And these people believe if you don't accept their religion,
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Speaker 2: their form of Islam, then you should die. And they
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Speaker 2: think they're on a mission from God. Now, look, I
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Speaker 2: think that Islam is– if you want to be– You.
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Speaker 1: Think that's true? And you would know, I mean, I.
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Speaker 2: Don't have experience in that. Islam, Hindu, your religion is
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Speaker 2: your business. In America, we have freedom of religion. But
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Speaker 2: if my religion told me that I had to kill
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Speaker 2: a bunch of other human beings to advance my religion's call,
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Speaker 2: if Christianity taught that, I couldn't be a Christian.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be heartbreaking. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But they really believe that.
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Speaker 1: And that's— And how do we know that?
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Speaker 2: Because they've done it. What they've done— what they did in October.
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Speaker 2: Was it October 7th?
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Speaker 1: They raided.
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Speaker 2: They raped. They cut off Israeli people's heads. They kidnapped them.
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Speaker 2: What they've done to American troops in Lebanon— It's widely known.
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Speaker 2: Look at what they did. They started shooting at the
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Speaker 2: Saudis and the UAE. That's not the good people of Iran.
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Speaker 2: That's their leadership, their religious allies.
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Speaker 1: And didn't we take their Ayatollah out?
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Speaker 2: We took the first one out. They've replaced him with
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Speaker 2: his son, but he's in hiding.
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Speaker 1: Dang, bro. And that's nepotism. I mean, we got to
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Speaker 1: call that what it is.
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Speaker 2: Well, nobody wants– nobody really wants to– Nobody wants the job.
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Speaker 2: Nobody wants the job, man. Our military is the greatest
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Speaker 2: military in all of human history.
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Speaker 1: Amen to that, dude.
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Speaker 2: It's just extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: We're so lucky, man. I mean, we're just lucky to
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Speaker 1: be in a place where we can at least, like,
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Speaker 1: think and try and explore ideas and try and learn.
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Speaker 1: And even if we don't know stuff, you know, we
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Speaker 1: can try our best. Yeah. Wasn't there some evidence that
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Speaker 1: Hamas was funded by Israel, though, like it was back-channeled
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Speaker 1: through Qatar or something? Can you look that up?
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Speaker 2: Qatar has funneled money to Hamas before.
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Speaker 1: They're a middleman.
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Speaker 2: I'll be shocked.
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Speaker 1: But money from Israel through– No, I don't believe that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't believe that. I know their stories.
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Speaker 2: But I just don't believe that because I've been to Israel.
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Speaker 2: I've talked to the Israeli people. They don't want to
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Speaker 2: be at war.
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Speaker 1: Then why are they at war with everyone then it
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Speaker 1: feels like over there?
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Speaker 2: Well, they're at war with Hezbollah to the north because
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Speaker 2: Hezbollah keeps shooting missiles at them and digging tunnels. And
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Speaker 2: they're terrorists. And they're at war with Hamas because Hamas
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Speaker 2: attacked them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And– until they took out their missiles, kept shooting missiles,
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Speaker 2: and they're at war with Iran because Iran is behind
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Speaker 2: all of it. And I wish we didn't have to
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Speaker 2: do any of this, honest to God. I've talked to
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Speaker 2: President Trump about it. He didn't want to be in
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Speaker 2: conflict with Iran. But we cannot let them have a
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Speaker 2: nuclear weapon. We cannot. These people are stone cold crazy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I guess it's tough to– I think when
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Speaker 1: you see like videos and stuff online, it makes you
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Speaker 1: just see like– I don't know. It just makes your
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Speaker 1: heart hurt. Like there was a report the other day
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Speaker 1: in that UN report that there was like a 14-year-old
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Speaker 1: kid who they got– who they shot and then they
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Speaker 1: just stood around and watched him bleed to death. And
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Speaker 1: when his mother tried to come to him, they just
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Speaker 1: like would shoot at her. And then these soldiers just
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Speaker 1: stood around and watched him bleed to death and it's
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Speaker 1: just kind of heartbreaking.
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Speaker 2: I know. It all breaks your heart. And that's why
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Speaker 2: you don't want to have to go to war. But
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Speaker 2: put yourself in the president's shoes. Our intelligence, here's what
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Speaker 2: our intelligence showed, and I've seen it. It's classified, but
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Speaker 2: I've seen it. But I can give you a general outline.
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Speaker 2: Our intelligence showed that Iran was building up its missile capacity,
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Speaker 2: both ballistic and cruise. And they were going to compile
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Speaker 2: so many missiles and drones that they were going to
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Speaker 2: turn to America and Israel and say, we're restarting our
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Speaker 2: nuclear weapons program. And if you try to stop us,
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Speaker 2: we're going to destroy the rest of the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, our missiles can now reach London
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Speaker 2: and Paris and Germany.
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Speaker 1: And you saw reports that said that?
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Speaker 2: I've seen the intelligence.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: And President Trump was faced, well, do I let them continue?
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Speaker 2: He had already bombed their nuclear, some of their nuclear facilities.
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Speaker 2: But he was faced with the decision, do I let
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Speaker 2: them get to the point where they have so many
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Speaker 2: missiles and drones, ballistic and crews, that they could destroy
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, that they could hit London? that they
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Speaker 2: might even be able to hit the United States, or
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Speaker 2: do I go in to stop them? And he did. Right.
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Speaker 2: And we haven't destroyed all of their missiles. But if
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Speaker 2: you go to Iran today, their whole swaths of Iran,
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Speaker 2: they'll look like something out of Mad Max 4. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we destroyed the public sector, the private, big portions of
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Speaker 2: the private sector. Didn't want to do it. It'll take
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Speaker 2: them 20 years to recover. I mean our military– I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to bubble wrap it. They went in and
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Speaker 2: our military ate them and spit out the bones.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And they are not right now a nuclear threat. But
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Speaker 2: they still have the centrifuges to make– to take their
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Speaker 2: fissile material and make it– make a warhead.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that you
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Speaker 1: had seen the intel on that.
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Speaker 2: We have a basement, an underground room in the Senate.
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Speaker 2: We call it the skiff. It's completely secure. You can
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Speaker 2: leave all your electronics outside. And I've been briefed, all
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Speaker 2: of us have, by Rubio, by Secretary Hedgeseth, by Secretary Rubio,
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Speaker 2: the Joint Chiefs. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
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Speaker 1: And do you trust those guys?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. John Ratcliffe from the CIA. I trust every single
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Speaker 2: one of them. Amen.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'm not in the space. So it's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's from our perspective, just as a regular person, you
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Speaker 1: just see all of this stuff. And it's so, it
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Speaker 1: seems like so one way. It seems like you were saying, like,
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Speaker 1: you feel like the truth comes through and you know
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Speaker 1: what it is. right like we were saying in the
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Speaker 1: beginning or whatever like what we see and what we
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Speaker 1: see and perceive is okay this is uh this is
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Speaker 1: real or this is um uh earnest or whatever you
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Speaker 1: know it's like that's the way that so a lot
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Speaker 1: of the a lot of it seems well um let
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Speaker 1: me get this note real quick before you go and
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Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt you um This is here. In a
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Speaker 1: controversial deal, Israeli's government under Benjamin Netanyahu supported Qatar's payments
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Speaker 1: to Hamas for many years and hoped that it would
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Speaker 1: turn Hamas into an effective counterweight to the Palestinian Authority
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Speaker 1: and prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state. So maybe
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Speaker 1: there was some funding, but it wasn't clear on what
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Speaker 1: it was for.
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Speaker 2: Well, if they gave aid, I don't... There's a footnote there.
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Speaker 2: I don't know the authority for that. Yeah, I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure either. If they gave aid through Qatar... to try
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Speaker 2: to help the people of Gaza so they wouldn't join
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Speaker 2: up with Hamas. That's a different thing from them supporting Hamas. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And what did you look up there? I'm going to
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Speaker 1: look it up one more time. Can you put Israel
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Speaker 1: supported– did Israel support Hamas? Can you just put that question?
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Speaker 1: Let me see. Israel did not. directly create Hamas, but
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Speaker 1: from the late 1970s through the 1990s, the Israeli government
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Speaker 1: provided covert support and funding to the Islamist movement that
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Speaker 1: preceded it. This strategy was used to counterbalance secular Palestinian
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Speaker 1: nationalist groups like the Palestine. So they may have inadvertently
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Speaker 1: supported it by trying to support something else, I guess.
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Speaker 2: Hamas is a spinoff of the Palestinian PLO, Palestine Liberation Organization.
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Speaker 2: But once Hamas spun off, they got all their financial
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Speaker 2: support from Iran, almost 90 percent of it.
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Speaker 1: Got it.
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Speaker 2: And without Iran providing the money, neither Hamas nor Hezbollah
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Speaker 2: could exist, and they are terrorists.
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Speaker 1: Understood. Did Iran fund Hamas? Let's look that up then.
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Speaker 1: And thanks for discussing it with me. Sure. Yes, Iran
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Speaker 1: is– It's an important subject. Yes, Iran has funded, armed,
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Speaker 1: and trained Hamas for decades. Tehran considers the group a
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Speaker 1: key part of its axis of resistance and provides tens
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Speaker 1: of millions of dollars annually to support its military and
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Speaker 1: operational capabilities.
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Speaker 2: And look, I'm not saying Israel is perfect. I'm not
22:15
Speaker 2: saying that, okay? None of us is perfect. But look
22:20
Speaker 2: at it this way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: There are certain areas you could walk down– If you
22:29
Speaker 2: walk down at 2 o'clock in the morning in Nashville,
22:32
Speaker 2: let's say, there are people there that would hurt you. Now,
22:36
Speaker 2: I don't know why. Like I say, if I make
22:39
Speaker 2: it to heaven, I'm going to ask why people want
22:42
Speaker 2: to hurt other people. But they do. And that's the
22:48
Speaker 2: situation that Israel's in. I'll give you a more concrete example.
22:54
Speaker 2: My wife hates guns. Okay? I respect that. But I
22:59
Speaker 2: own guns. Now, do I hate everybody else?
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Speaker 1: No.
23:06
Speaker 2: I believe love is the answer. But I own a
23:09
Speaker 2: handgun just in case. Amen. Because I know there are
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Speaker 2: people out there, and if they try to hurt me
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Speaker 2: or my family, I'm going to defend myself and my family.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I wish the world weren't like that, but it is.
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Speaker 2: And there are some very powerful countries that they hate America.
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Speaker 2: They just hate us, Theo. They do. And you can't
23:38
Speaker 2: reach them through diplomacy. It doesn't mean you shouldn't talk
23:41
Speaker 2: to them. But with a guy, I've looked at President
23:45
Speaker 2: Xi in the eye, okay? I've met this guy. With
23:52
Speaker 2: hard men like President Xi, or that I told him,
23:56
Speaker 2: are Putin and Russia. Weakness invites the wolves. And getting
24:03
Speaker 2: too close to them, it's like hand-feeding a shark. We
24:07
Speaker 2: shouldn't want it like that. We shouldn't want it. I
24:10
Speaker 2: think President Trump has understood that.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that America will support like a pro-Israel
24:18
Speaker 1: candidate like in the next election? Like Trump has been
24:21
Speaker 1: pretty pro-Israel overall. Do you think that will affect how
24:23
Speaker 1: they vote in the next election?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a big issue. My Democratic friends,
24:31
Speaker 2: not all of them, but the wing of the– what
24:36
Speaker 2: I call the loon wing of the Democratic Party that's
24:40
Speaker 2: in control, they hate Israel. And they support– they say
24:47
Speaker 2: they support the Palestinians.
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Speaker 1: Well, they hate the government, not the people, right? Right.
24:52
Speaker 2: No.
24:52
Speaker 1: We're talking about the government.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to believe they hate the people.
24:54
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah.
24:55
Speaker 2: But they hate the– that's fair. That's a good point.
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Speaker 2: They hate the government.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that points across the board in this conversation.
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Speaker 2: That's a fair point. But they support Hamas. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. They just do. That's why I call them
25:09
Speaker 2: the loon wing of the party. And that will be
25:14
Speaker 2: a big issue within the Democratic primaries. But there are
25:18
Speaker 2: a lot of Republicans that think we're too close to Israel.
25:22
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's just– that's what's so interesting about
25:24
Speaker 1: Tucker's– Tucker's one. Well, Tucker's saying that because Tucker has
25:27
Speaker 1: one of the top ten podcasts and platforms in America.
25:32
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:32
Speaker 1: So for that– for him to be– for that to
25:37
Speaker 1: be his direction and that to be how he feels–
25:39
Speaker 1: And he really believes that.
25:41
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:41
Speaker 1: And I'm sure a lot of people feel exactly like
25:44
Speaker 1: he does. So that's why I'm wondering, do you think
25:46
Speaker 1: like an Israel first politician could win?
25:51
Speaker 2: Could win? Could lose? Look, this is a big, wide open,
25:56
Speaker 2: diverse country.
25:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:58
Speaker 2: For both Republicans and Democrats.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:01
Speaker 2: And in our country, you can believe what you want
26:04
Speaker 2: and say what you think. Yeah. I support this dialectic
26:10
Speaker 2: of ideas where ideas compete.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that has to have it.
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Speaker 2: Yep, and that's why God made elections. But I want people,
26:19
Speaker 2: and my people in Louisiana, but people in America to
26:22
Speaker 2: know where I stand.
26:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:24
Speaker 2: And I have a lot of admiration for Israel.
26:28
Speaker 1: They're tough.
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Speaker 2: They're tough as a boot. They fight back against people
26:32
Speaker 2: that try to kill them.
26:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:34
Speaker 2: Now, do I want a better life for the Palestinians?
26:37
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
26:38
Speaker 2: And I remember under President Clinton, he offered the Palestinians
26:44
Speaker 2: a deal to give them their own country, a big
26:49
Speaker 2: chunk of the West Bank, give them Gaza. They would
26:53
Speaker 2: have their own country. They said no. Their leadership said no.
26:57
Speaker 1: Let's just bring that up just so I know that
26:58
Speaker 1: that's the Camp David summit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. President Bill Clinton's primary effort to help Palestine get
27:05
Speaker 1: its own country culminated in the Clinton parameters of December 2000.
27:08
Speaker 1: This was an ambitious proposal for a two-state solution that
27:12
Speaker 1: followed the failed Camp David summit.
27:15
Speaker 2: And the political leadership of Palestine said no.
27:19
Speaker 1: Offered Palestine control over 94% to 95% of the West Bank,
27:22
Speaker 1: along with the equivalent of an additional 1% to 3%
27:24
Speaker 1: of land via territorial swaps. And what happened? Oh, this
27:28
Speaker 1: was the Oslo Accords?
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Speaker 2: The Oslo Accords were next.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
27:34
Speaker 2: They were after Camp David.
27:36
Speaker 1: Ultimately, a final deal was never solidified. The Clinton proposals
27:38
Speaker 1: and subsequent Taba summit negotiations brought the sides closer than
27:42
Speaker 1: ever before. Both sides voiced reservations and the deal collapsed
27:45
Speaker 1: at the end of Clinton's term.
27:46
Speaker 2: Yes, sir. Arafat. Arafat was in charge of the PLO.
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Speaker 2: He was the leader of the Palestinians. I think if
27:53
Speaker 2: you put it to a vote of the Palestinian people,
27:56
Speaker 2: they would have said they would have taken it.
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Speaker 1: Who decided no? That's my that's how I'm trying to
28:00
Speaker 1: get to that.
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Speaker 2: Arafat turned it down.
28:02
Speaker 1: OK.
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Speaker 2: And he was he was head of the PLO. the
28:06
Speaker 2: political organization for all of the Palestinians. But I've always
28:11
Speaker 2: believed if Arafat had put it to a vote of
28:13
Speaker 2: the Palestinian people, they would have accepted it. But Bill
28:17
Speaker 2: Clinton came that close.
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Speaker 1: Well, it says here the Israeli cabinet conditionally accepted the
28:22
Speaker 1: parameters but issued a 20-page letter outlining reservations regarding security.
28:27
Speaker 2: Israel you're talking about?
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Speaker 1: And borders, yeah.
28:29
Speaker 2: No, Israel would have taken it.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I'm just saying what this says. And
28:34
Speaker 1: then the Palestinian response, the Palestinian Liberation Organization accepted the
28:37
Speaker 1: framework but also with heavy reservations. So why did it
28:40
Speaker 1: not go through? That's all I'm trying to figure out.
28:43
Speaker 2: Because Arafat backed out. And you ought to have President
28:48
Speaker 2: Clinton on your show. I'm sure he'll have to do
28:51
Speaker 2: it to talk about it. It's one of his– I've
28:54
Speaker 2: heard him speak before and say one of his biggest disappointments. Really?
28:58
Speaker 2: Because he thought he had it.
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Speaker 1: While Chairman Yasser Arafat gave qualified agreement to the parameters
29:03
Speaker 1: in January 2001, the extensive reservations submitted by both sides
29:06
Speaker 1: prevented the parameters from materializing into a formal peace treaty.
29:10
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying you're wrong, but this has both sides.
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Speaker 2: I would encourage you to talk to Bill Clinton. Yeah.