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Pastors' Perspective-10/15/26 · Pastors Perspective

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm Brian Perez. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be here for an hour. The phone lines are open.
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  Speaker 1: Podcast is what I meant. Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're here right now, Thursday afternoon, give us
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  Speaker 1: a call at 888-564-6173. Answering your questions today, we've got
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  Speaker 1: Phil Metzger, the pastor of Calvary San Diego, and he
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  Speaker 1: is not on Zoom today. He is here in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: It is always good to see you in person, Phil Metzger.
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  Speaker 1: And joining us is Aaron Hale. He's the pastor of
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  Speaker 1: Calvary Chapel, Forrest Frank, no, Calvary Chapel, uh, Foothill Ranch,
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  Speaker 1: which rhymes with Forrest Frank, so maybe that's what I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking, but it's in the city of Lake Forest,
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  Speaker 1: so I guess I got everything confused. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: Good to have you both of you here. You guys
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  Speaker 1: kind of know each other, sort of. So, uh, let's, uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's reintroduce. Aaron, tell Phil a little bit about yourself
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  Speaker 1: and then vice versa. So I've been at Calvary Chapel
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  Speaker 1: Foothill Ranch since 2020, and that year we merged the
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  Speaker 1: church I pastored prior to that, which was Kingsfield, another
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  Speaker 1: Calvary Chapel. We were in Mission Viejo.
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  Speaker 1: Our congregations came together and uh we've we've been doing
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  Speaker 1: that now for about 7 years. So, uh, before that,
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  Speaker 1: I was out in the Inland Empire at Calvary Chapel
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  Speaker 1: of Redlands, the packing house. You were packing. I was, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: with my best bud. I do, I know your best bud, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Opine. Yes, yes, Greg's a good guy. So Phil,
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  Speaker 1: tell us about you. Yeah, I am 8 years now
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  Speaker 1: in South San Diego, Calvary, San Diego, and before that,
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  Speaker 1: 22 years in Eastern Europe, church planning in the country
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  Speaker 1: of Hungary, and also in Russia, and but mainly in Hungary. Nice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: now you're, now you're here. I'm here. Yay, I'm right
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  Speaker 1: next to you guys. Yeah, I get to be in studio.
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  Speaker 1: It's always fun.
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  Speaker 1: Get to hang out with the dudes. Yay. All right,
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  Speaker 1: so call in and talk to Phil and Aaron at 888-564-6173.
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  Speaker 1: As I mentioned a little while ago, you can also
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  Speaker 1: submit your questions online. So let's begin with a question
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  Speaker 1: that was submitted online and then we'll go to the phones, uh.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Darius in Plano, Texas's question. He writes, In
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  Speaker 1: my Christian life I desire to be faithful and practicing
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  Speaker 1: spiritual disciplines like prayer, Bible reading, regular church attendance, etc. However,
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  Speaker 1: one area that I've been finding myself dormant,
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  Speaker 1: dormant in is sharing my faith. I believe one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons why is that I often find myself feeling
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  Speaker 1: insecure about being open about my Christianity because of my
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  Speaker 1: awareness of my own personal flaws and shortcomings. Normally we
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  Speaker 1: get questions like, I'm afraid that
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  Speaker 1: Someone's gonna ask me a question that I can't answer,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not what Darius is saying. He says, uh,
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  Speaker 1: whenever I'm feeling stressed or under pressure, I have a
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  Speaker 1: tendency to feel irritable, and it can sometimes show through
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  Speaker 1: in my facial expressions while interacting with people during these times.
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  Speaker 1: It hasn't been a big enough issue to make people
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  Speaker 1: dislike me, but it is noticeable at times, so it's
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  Speaker 1: something I try to be conscious of.
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  Speaker 1: Things like this can cause me to feel worried about
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  Speaker 1: people knowing I'm a Christian. I don't want my own
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  Speaker 1: personal flaws to be something that puts people off from Christianity,
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  Speaker 1: since it may sometimes seem like it doesn't really make
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  Speaker 1: me all that different from anybody else. I desire to
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  Speaker 1: share my faith, but I struggle with feeling like it
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  Speaker 1: would be hypocritical to be the one telling others about
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  Speaker 1: Jesus when I know I have a lot of areas
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  Speaker 1: that I need to grow in myself, even though my
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  Speaker 1: personal character.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't the only measure by which people would judge the
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  Speaker 1: validity of Christianity. I know it makes an impact. Besides this,
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  Speaker 1: I also struggle to know how to start a conversation
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  Speaker 1: about Jesus with people without it feeling random and awkward.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any biblical advice for someone who desires
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  Speaker 1: to share their faith but struggles with the fear of
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  Speaker 1: not representing Christ as they should, and also any practical
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  Speaker 1: tips on how to start spiritual conversations with people? Aaron,
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  Speaker 1: we'll start with you.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I can relate to you, Darius, um.
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  Speaker 1: struggling with that that sense of inadequacy or just an
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  Speaker 1: awareness of sin and that that.
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  Speaker 1: draining power and boldness. And I, I think maybe there's
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  Speaker 1: two sides to that, as, as I'm reflecting on your question.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, my mind goes to Ephesians chapter 2
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  Speaker 1: verse 8, for by grace you have been saved through faith,
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  Speaker 1: that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God
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  Speaker 1: lest anyone should boast. The gospel itself is centered, it's grounded,
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  Speaker 1: it's rooted in grace, and we have to remember that.
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  Speaker 1: And you're never gonna get to the place where, or
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  Speaker 1: at least you shouldn't get to the place where you're,
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  Speaker 1: you're ministering or sharing the gospel from.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, personal strength. At the same time, our, our testimony
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  Speaker 1: and our dependence on the, the, the, the Holy Spirit,
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  Speaker 1: our nearness to Christ, that is important. And a degree
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  Speaker 1: of self-examination is healthy. Too much can become, you know,
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  Speaker 1: an introspection that drowns us in, in condemnation, and that's,
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  Speaker 1: that's not good. That's, that's not where we want to go.
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  Speaker 1: But
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  Speaker 1: But, but I look at Galatians 5 at the fruit
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  Speaker 1: of the spirit and, and uh repentance, crying out to
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  Speaker 1: God for help and more grace. Uh, but I, I
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  Speaker 1: think
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  Speaker 1: Standing, standing in the reality that it's the message that, that, uh, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's the gospel. It's the work that Christ has done,
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  Speaker 1: not the work that we do, but by which people
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  Speaker 1: are saved. And just quickly, the, the idea of starting
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  Speaker 1: a conversation, how do we get there? Um, when I
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  Speaker 1: heard the question, my mind went to Greg Cochel's book Tactics. It's,
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  Speaker 1: it's a great resource if you're looking for one.
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  Speaker 1: To kind of dig into, to stretch yourself a little
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  Speaker 1: bit and sharing the gospel. He's real big on
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  Speaker 1: Asking questions and putting, he talks about putting a pebble
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  Speaker 1: in someone's shoe. Maybe you're too intimidated to share the
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  Speaker 1: whole message, or you feel like you're not able to, but,
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  Speaker 1: but you can ask questions and you can listen to
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  Speaker 1: their answers, and you can leave them with something to
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  Speaker 1: think about that that leaves them uncomfortable, and, and, uh,
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  Speaker 1: in comparison to where they were before, and maybe would
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  Speaker 1: stir them to think more about Christ. Yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 1: great answer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and maybe I'll come at it from
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  Speaker 1: a different angle, just so there's, there's even more here,
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  Speaker 1: because that was a great answer, but I'm thinking for
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  Speaker 1: this guy James and whoever else is wondering that thing,
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  Speaker 1: I would say like when you're worried that you become
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  Speaker 1: irritable and defensive in the way that you talk, how
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  Speaker 1: do you think you're gonna get better? Like, do you
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  Speaker 1: think by not sharing you're gonna become less irritable? No,
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  Speaker 1: the way you're gonna get less irritable is to just
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  Speaker 1: keep sharing.
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  Speaker 1: Get more comfortable like speaking, speaking it out, like if
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  Speaker 1: you know that's your, your tendency, then just pay attention
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  Speaker 1: to that. Um, I, I think there's a real, real,
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  Speaker 1: real mistake when we as Christians believe
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  Speaker 1: That our goodness is going to have a greater impact
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  Speaker 1: upon a person's salvation than our humanity. We are testimonies
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  Speaker 1: of grace, not of high moral or ethical standard. So
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  Speaker 1: if you approach evangelism as, well, I need to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that they get my best foot moving forward, just
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  Speaker 1: know this, they'll smell your hypocrisy.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, just like we all can. So just be an honest,
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  Speaker 1: real person, and I, I didn't, I haven't read that
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  Speaker 1: book Tactics, that sounds great. I was just gonna say too,
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  Speaker 1: the way I found the the best way to have
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  Speaker 1: conversations is to listen to people. Everybody likes to talk,
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  Speaker 1: and if you let them, you'll have an open door.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus did this, it was a great practice, we got
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  Speaker 1: to do the same thing, but stop waiting for
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  Speaker 1: You to do good because like my experience is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: doing good enough is like having enough money or being
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  Speaker 1: prepared for kids you're never there. There's always more. There's
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  Speaker 1: just always more so stop waiting and get after it
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes it's not even about starting a spiritual conversation,
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  Speaker 1: but starting a.
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  Speaker 1: Conversation period, which you never know, could lead into because
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  Speaker 1: you're talking to somebody. So where do you live? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I just moved into the area. Oh, you did? What
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  Speaker 1: church are you going to? Well, I haven't found one yet.
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  Speaker 1: Come to my church, you know, whatever. Who knows? Everything
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  Speaker 1: is an opportunity. I mean, you know, you think of
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  Speaker 1: Jesus talking to this woman at a well.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't start spiritual. It was a simple conversation, and
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  Speaker 1: we just got to be willing to have, but you got, listen,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta have simple conversations that don't have to lead there.
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  Speaker 1: You just hope that the door opens. Sometimes people can
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  Speaker 1: tell when you're like, I don't care about what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to get to Jesus, you know? And
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  Speaker 1: you gotta, you just gotta actually care about people, and
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  Speaker 1: the doors will definitely open brain. That's a really good point.
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  Speaker 1: OK, Darius, thank you so much for sending in your
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  Speaker 1: question through the pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com, which you
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  Speaker 1: can easily get to if you scan the QR code
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  Speaker 1: on Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram right now. Let's go to
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  Speaker 1: the phones, 888-564-6173 is our number. We're gonna start with
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  Speaker 1: John in San Juan Capistrano listening to K-Wave. Hey, John,
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  Speaker 1: what's your question?
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  Speaker 2: My question is, pastors, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Um, did the, the Hebrews built the pyramids. I can't,
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  Speaker 2: I just can't seem to, you know, nobody seems to know.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna hang up and you, if you have
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  Speaker 2: any information I could look up or whatever just because
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  Speaker 2: it seems like it's a mystery to me and uh.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I would think, that since they were they were,
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  Speaker 2: you know, captive by, by, uh, the Egyptians, they built it,
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  Speaker 2: but I, I just don't know, so I'm gonna hang
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  Speaker 2: up and, and I'm gonna listen to your, uh, what
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  Speaker 1: you
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  Speaker 2: have to say. Thanks, pastors.
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  Speaker 1: Alright, thanks for calling in, John. Yeah, happy to start, John,
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  Speaker 1: the pyramids, the ones that you're thinking of, were built
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  Speaker 1: about 1000 years before the Jews were slaves in Egypt,
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  Speaker 1: so no, they did not build the pyramids.
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  Speaker 1: They are, you know, when you read about their, their slavery,
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  Speaker 1: you do read about them making bricks and all. Remember
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  Speaker 1: the Egyptians were prolific builders, kind of like the Romans,
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  Speaker 1: most societies were back in those days. They're prolific builders,
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  Speaker 1: and so in every generation they use slave labor to
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  Speaker 1: build their monuments, and so we read about the Jews
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  Speaker 1: building and having certain cities that they were a part of,
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  Speaker 1: but that would have been 1000 years, give or take.
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  Speaker 1: You know, think Abraham's day when the pyramids were being built, not,
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  Speaker 1: not the days of, uh, the, the slavery, the bondage
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  Speaker 1: for the Israelites.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, nothing to add to that. They, they built some cities.
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  Speaker 1: Exodus one talks about that, but as Phil pointed out,
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  Speaker 1: the dates, the dates are different. Can you imagine just
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  Speaker 1: building those things? I mean, how did they do it?
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  Speaker 1: Did they have, I mean, did they have cranes and
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  Speaker 1: things like we have nowadays? It's incredible. I, I love
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  Speaker 1: all this like, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: They're like the Mythbusters or people like that that are like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're they're starting to figure out how these
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  Speaker 1: things happened, and it seems like, you know, they use
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  Speaker 1: a lot of water, they, they, you know, all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden things became more buoyant when you put it
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  Speaker 1: in water and things like that. It's fascinating stuff. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't built just by human, like, you couldn't just lift,
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  Speaker 1: you can't get enough people around a, a stone that
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  Speaker 1: big to lift. It's just not. They were very smart.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put it like that, man. These people were a
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  Speaker 1: lot smarter than we give them credit for.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your phone call today, John.
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  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is the number. Let's talk to Tommy and Temecula
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  Speaker 1: listening to K-wave. What's your question, Tommy?
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  Speaker 2: How are you guys doing?
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  Speaker 1: Doing well. You're on with Phil Metzger and Aaron Hale.
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  Speaker 1: What did you wanna know?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, is there a certain way to pray for healing? Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I've been praying for a long time for
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  Speaker 2: my youngest son.
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  Speaker 2: He just, he suffers.
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  Speaker 2: From anxiety, like, I mean, it's bad and OCD is
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  Speaker 2: like bad where like he won't even go outside, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Um, we, we lost our oldest boy about a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: My youngest, he was dealing with, with what he's going
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  Speaker 2: through before my son passed away, but it got worse
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  Speaker 2: after he passed away, so like I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I trust God. I know he hears me, but does
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  Speaker 2: he hear me? Like I'm, I'm praying like, oh Dave,
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  Speaker 1: how old is your son, Tommy?
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  Speaker 2: He's 21.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron, what would you say?
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  Speaker 2: Oh,
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  Speaker 1: Tommy, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: That's a really heavy situation. Um, sorry for your, your
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  Speaker 1: son that you lost and now this one that's struggling,
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 1: When our kids are hurting, that's, I, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that there are things that are more difficult than that.
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  Speaker 1: And
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  Speaker 1: How to, how to pray for them, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Praying the word, uh, a scripture actually comes to mind.
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  Speaker 1: Isaiah chapter 57 verse 15. For thus says the high
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  Speaker 1: and lofty one who inhabits eternity, whose name is holy,
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  Speaker 1: I dwell in the high and holy place.
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  Speaker 1: As also the, um, I think it's the ESV that
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  Speaker 1: adds an as also. So I'm gonna put that in there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm reading from the New King James with him who
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  Speaker 1: has a contrite and a humble spirit, to revive the
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  Speaker 1: spirit of the humble and to revive the heart of
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  Speaker 1: the contrite ones. And I, I love the picture that
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  Speaker 1: we're given there of God that although he's, he's high
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  Speaker 1: and lofty, he's in, he's in the heavens, he also
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  Speaker 1: makes his abode, his place, his home with the contrite
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  Speaker 1: and the humble to, to revive and to um
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  Speaker 1: To restore, to bring, to bring healing, and I think
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  Speaker 1: In praying for a child that is that is suffering
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  Speaker 1: in the ways that you're describing, I, I think praying
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  Speaker 1: and asking that God would, would meet them in that
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  Speaker 1: place and recognizing that God understands that he knows your
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  Speaker 1: your son's pain.
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  Speaker 1: I, I would just also add, I know you didn't
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  Speaker 1: ask this, Tommy, but um.
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  Speaker 1: I would make sure that he has access to to
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  Speaker 1: all the tools and the help that he can get,
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  Speaker 1: that he's getting uh counseling, maybe some pastoral counseling, maybe
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  Speaker 1: there's some, some Christian therapy that he could get access to,
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  Speaker 1: to help, help him with the the bearing of those
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  Speaker 1: burdens and there might actually be an aspect of this
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  Speaker 1: that enters into the um into the the medical world
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  Speaker 1: where maybe he can be helped on that end as well.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that that God, he's nearer to the brokenhearted,
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  Speaker 1: he tells us in the Psalms and sometimes, especially in
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  Speaker 1: in places like this where it's so close to our heart.
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  Speaker 1: Um, we, we cry out to him and we enter
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  Speaker 1: into that place, uh, where the, the spirit intercedes with,
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  Speaker 1: with groanings, where, where, where they're groaning before the Lord and,
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  Speaker 1: and in the spirit, and I, I think I heard
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  Speaker 1: you ask, maybe state that you know God's here, hears,
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  Speaker 1: but
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  Speaker 1: How can I know? And I think Isaiah 57 and
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  Speaker 1: many other passages, they, they remind us that God, He,
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  Speaker 1: he enters into our, our suffering and our brokenness, our hurt.
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  Speaker 1: He understands, he cares, he's near, he's listening, and he,
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  Speaker 1: he desires to answer sometimes in ways we can't see.
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  Speaker 1: In in ways that we don't know, and not always
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  Speaker 1: according to our time frame, but he absolutely hears. That's
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  Speaker 1: great stuff. Yeah, I mean, you know, Tommy, to answer
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  Speaker 1: your question too, I wanna add this, you know, how
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  Speaker 1: do I know God's hearing my prayers? If you've asked,
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  Speaker 1: he heard.
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  Speaker 1: The Bible's explicit on that.
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  Speaker 1: Um, you can't, we draw a false conclusion, like the
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  Speaker 1: only way I know that God heard my prayers is
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  Speaker 1: if he answered the way I asked, and that's just not,
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  Speaker 1: that's not spoken in the scriptures, but that God hears
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  Speaker 1: you is an absolute. If you've cried out to God,
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  Speaker 1: He hears every prayer.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, he makes this clear from the very beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the Bible all the way through. And then the, the, the,
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  Speaker 1: the final thing that I would encourage you, how do
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  Speaker 1: you pray for this? Think of the way Jesus taught
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  Speaker 1: us to pray, um, Matthew 7, Luke 11, keep asking,
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  Speaker 1: keep knocking, keep seeking. In other words, the, the verbiage
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  Speaker 1: there is not ask one time, and I know you
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: haven't done that. Listen, we both, all of us in
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  Speaker 1: this room and everybody listening knows there ain't no pain
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: like the pain of a child, but that you're, you know,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: as a parent, like it's just painful. It doesn't matter
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: what age your kid is.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: So keep asking, keep seeking, keep knocking. Um, persistence is,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: is power, and persistence is something that God, um, God's
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: not asking you to do it, and then he'll answer,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: but you'll keep being changed as you keep on seeking
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and knocking and asking. Keep at it, bud, it's hard,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: it's painful, um, but God, as, as Aaron pointed out,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: it's a great verse, but God is for the brokenhearted.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: He's for you, bud. Phil, would you pray for Tommy? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'd love to.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Father, I want to pray for Tommy and his
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: son and for the pain that his son's going through,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: and it's real, and um it may not be like
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: fully understood, but that doesn't change it's, it's, that it's
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: very real, and I pray that you would bring him
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  Speaker 1: through that. I pray that you would bring him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as your word says, that you bring him into a
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: perfect peace, um, whose mind is stayed on you, Isaiah 26.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I pray this for Tommy, Lord, that you would help
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: him to not lose heart in doing well.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Uh, great is his reward is he just keeps on
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: pouring out his heart to you for his son and, um,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: just give him a sense of peace even now that he's,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: he's in it. It doesn't feel good, but he's doing it.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: He's doing what you've called him to do. Bless this family, Lord,
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  Speaker 1: in Jesus' name. Amen.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Amen. And everyone watching and listening, you guys keep Tommy
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and his son in your prayers too. This is Pastor's Perspective,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is the number to call. We've got pastors Phil
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Metzger and Aaron Hale here to talk to you until
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: 4 o'clock. And uh now we're gonna go to Haines City,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Florida and speak with Brandon who's got a question about boundaries.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: And uh Brandon, how did you know about us there
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: in Florida?
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  Speaker 2: Hey there. So I actually have a um friend who
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: listens to you guys up there, and he, I was
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: telling him a little bit about what I'm going through,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: and he actually forwarded me to you guys. So after
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I get off the phone, I need to tune in.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, thank your friend on our behalf, but what
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: is your, uh, question? What did you wanna ask?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: So, um, I'll try to keep it, uh, short for you. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I have a mutual friend, different mutual friend, um, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: this person that we know, we, I met this stranger yesterday,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: and they've been struggling with some things. They said they
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: wanted to talk. They follow Jesus already. And
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I asked them in the beginning, do you want to
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: vent or do you want.
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  Speaker 2: An answer
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: To your problem.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And they told me, um, they didn't really answer that question,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, and then they just kept um.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Going on and on. It was about a 6-hour phone
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: call and I talked for probably about 30, 45 minutes.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: And
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I work uh 12 hours, then put 2 kids down.
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  Speaker 1: Hang on, I'm still trying to get past the 6-hour
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: conversation part, man.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, you're, you're telling me. I was, uh,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: trying to hear him out as much as I could
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  Speaker 2: and
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  Speaker 2: Uh, it was, it was a bit much. So yeah,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: that's why the, the topic is the question about boundaries,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: you know, I keep telling myself what would Jesus do,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't wanna be, um.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I don't want to turn someone who is needy away,
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  Speaker 2: especially a sister in Christ. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but do you think Jesus would hang out with someone
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  Speaker 1: for 6 hours? Yeah, I mean, it's not recorded in Scripture, but, um,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you know, what, what, what do you say, Aaron? Start
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: with you, um.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just gonna ask a question real quick. You
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: said you put your kids down to bed. This was
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: a woman that called you?
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Uh, yes, yes, are, are you married?
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I am married, yes. OK, so,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I'd be careful. First of all, it's about spending that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: amount of time with, I don't, I don't spend that
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: amount of time in counseling or, I mean, I'm not
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: having phone calls with women anyway. I try to be
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: careful to um talking about boundaries. I try to be
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: careful to maintain those boundaries. I want to make sure
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I preserve.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: The, um, the intimacy of relationship in my marriage and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: sometimes if a conversation can go too long, there can
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: be too much of a pouring of of someone's heart
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: into another person. Uh, the counseling appointments that I have, they're,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: they're limited in length, and I've always got a secretary
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: or a staff member nearby, the door is open, there's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: a window, and I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: You're asking about boundaries, and so yes, they are healthy
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to have in place, Brandon. I, I try to guard
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  Speaker 1: my heart, like when someone shares with me.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I, I, I'm not looking to be cold or rude,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, I want to be careful
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  Speaker 1: not to step into a place that God has not
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: asked me to step into that could become for the
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: other person a point of a point of stumbling. I'm,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not, um,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Looking to be that, that, you know, shoulder to cry
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: on in an unhealthy sense. And, you know, Brian and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Phil have already commented a little bit about the 6 hours. Yeah, it,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: it's OK to interject, interrupt, and say, let's let's get
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: down to what the main issue is. There, there are
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: ways I think that you can pull somebody in. Now, I'm,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I'm fully aware there are those people that will just
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: keep going as long as you will allow them.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And those are those moments where you just have to say,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you know what, I've I've got work in the morning, um,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I've got this, I've got that. And sometimes we can
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: feel as you've expressed, well, you know, I want to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: be Christ-like, and I want to be sensitive to the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Holy Spirit. But neither Christ nor the Holy Spirit, I,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think wants us to be either in unhealthy places.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: or to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: We'll call it, we'll just say be available to the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: point where maybe it's detracting from your own first ministries
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: of your family, now you're not able to put in a,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you know, a good day's work because you're exhausted, etc. etc.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And so, um, I'll I'll let that be my input
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I have nothing more to add. You shouldn't be in
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: a conversation for 6 hours. I mean, even a good
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: conversation can't go 6 hours, dude. I, that's just too much,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: that's too much. And my thing on like this is
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a gal that's calling you, even if you just go
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: beyond like, hey, maybe I shouldn't or maybe that's inappropriate,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: just assume it's totally appropriate. You're also not capable of
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: helping her as much as like your wife could have,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: you know, or like there's there's limits, there's there's, there
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: are boundaries and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: To me the boundary is a 6 hour conversation is
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: crossing it, so yeah, you don't need to be in that,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that's not a, the question isn't like would Jesus do that? Well,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't using the phone, so, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that's not the issue, it's more like, you know, is
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: this even like right for you?
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: And um you know, free therapy isn't what you signed
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: up for, so you know it's cool to be a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: friend and if you're, you know, it's different if the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: person came over for dinner and you and you, you're
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: all hanging out and you're having a conversation, but 6
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: hour phone calls too much. Well, even like Brandon said that, uh,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: is this person just wanting to vent? Like, are they
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: actually going to listen to any of the advice that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I give them, or are they just venting? And, well,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: if it's 6 hours and you talk for 30 and
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: they talk for 5.5 hours, no.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Uh, at that point, there's no, there's nothing.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: That's painful.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: A few things that, um, well, first off, I just
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: wanna say I appreciate the, um, advice, um, on the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: first gentleman who mentioned, uh, to be wary of that. Um, actually,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: whenever I got home after, uh, I, I, I work
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: on a UPS truck, so I talk with some friends
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: while I work and chit chat. Um, but this person
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: got my attention for a little while and the last
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: hour of the conversation, my wife joined in whenever I
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: got home.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: And I feel like this person was just, um, very
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: lonely and does not have a lot of people like
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: someone else was saying, um, you know, what, what can
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I do for this person over the phone, you know, you,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: she should definitely be spending this time venting with the
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Lord in prayer and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: does
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: she have a counselor or a therapist or
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Um, a spirit counselor and a therapist from what I understand,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: but like I said yesterday, that six-hour conversation was the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: first time I've met this young lady.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Everybody's wondering what's a spirit counselor.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I, I, I don't know either.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: But wait, can I, can I, hold on, Brandon, you
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: just met this gal. You just, you just met her?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Um, yes, sir. So, uh, there's a Christian, um, there's
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: a gaming social platform where you just talk with a
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: bunch of people called Discord, and there you make different
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: topic of servers, and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: dude, she's just, that's a waste of time, uh, not
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the gaming, whatever, gaming and all that, but you just
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: met this person, bro, if you had a six-hour conversation
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: with like your best friend, maybe.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, but a complete stranger who you
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: just met, no, this is just, no, you don't need
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: to do that. This, nobody should be doing that. That person,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: if they're lonely, then you, you know, hey, you should
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: go to church. You should get this. Churches are filled,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and I'm one of those people with lonely people who
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: like want friends. It's the best place to make friends.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So no, you don't have to, you don't have to
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: be a, a free chat room for somebody, no.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: So to put up the boundary, should Brandon just maybe
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: send a text? I, I mean, I don't know how,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: how would that work where he just says, hey, I mean,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: what is that boundary? What do you think it looks like?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously don't talk for 6 hours, but what,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: don't even talk for half an hour. Don't even, yeah,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the next one is, hey, I'm not a counselor, and I, I'm,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not, I got a job and I have a family.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not the one that you, but there's amazing churches
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: in our area. If you want to have somebody you
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: could talk to, come with me. I'll introduce you to somebody. Yeah, point,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: point him to the Lord. Point him to the local church. Exactly. Yeah, I,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I think often as Christians we think, well, we're supposed
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to be kind. We're supposed to give of ourselves to people.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And so when this happens, and that that's why.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Like when Brandon was saying it's one of those things
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: that it's hard to, uh, you know, what would Jesus do?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Jesus would give his time for everybody, you know, that
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: might be what people think. And so Jesus was so
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: discerning in ways that like we're just not right. That's
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: just the reality and so.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: But I think for Brandon's sake and anybody else's sake,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you should hear like, here's 3 of us in this
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: room that are all like, yikes, that should be enough.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Like take the wisdom of, you know, a multitude of
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: counselors here who just say that's, that's unnecessary, unnecessary.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: All right, Brandon, thank you for calling us today here
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: on Pastor's Perspective. We've got to take a quick break.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: We'll be back with more of your questions, more of
• 28:58
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• 29:03
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• 29:07
  Speaker 1: studio today. Phil's the pastor of Calvary San Diego, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Aaron's the pastor.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of Calvary Chapel Foothill Ranch in Lake Forest, and we
• 29:14
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• 29:17
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• 29:19
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• 29:24
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• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, we're back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: to call us. We're gonna be in the studio until
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: 4 o'clock, so call in. We've got Pastor Phil Metzger
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: from Calvary, San Diego, and Pastor Aaron Hale from Calvary Chapel.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Don't tell me, uh, hold on. Foothill Ranch. I was
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: thinking I was still that dumb joke that I told
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: half an hour ago was back in my head in
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: your head, yeah, so I thought I was gonna say
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: it again. We're changing the name actually. Oh, perfect, legitimately to,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to what I said, which I don't want to say. Oh,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: you are actually changing, but not to what I said,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: not to what I said. No. Is there a spoiler
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that you're gonna give, or no? It's no, I can't,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I can't. It's like naming a baby. You gotta keep
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that to yourself for a while. Yeah, we're still figuring
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it out, so.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to tell us. Yes, yes. Although we could, uh, help
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: name the church, you know, you can have people call in. Yes, yes,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: people can call in, tell us why. I did ask
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the church to pray with me about it this past Sunday.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: So for now it's Calvary Chapel Foothill Ranch in Lake Forest.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: 888-564-6173
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: is our number. Let's go to Sam Perdue and speak
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: with Lotus. Welcome to Pastor's perspective. What did you want
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to ask Phil and Aaron?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Well, actually, it's not really a question, but it's a
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: more observation. A lot of people are speaking around about AI. Well,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: if you go to Joshua 8 chapter, it'll tell you
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: what the Lord did to AI.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: And what Joshua did to you, it's
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: He utterly destroyed AI.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Ah, AI is a
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: It's an artificial intelligence, and anything that's artificial is an
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: offense to God, so
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Uh, AI is artificial intelligence, and the Lord had Joshua
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: destroy the whole city.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Phil, what would you say to Lotus? Well, I, I
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, Lotus. I get your, I get
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the kind of, you're, you're using that when what we
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: would call like allegorically, you're you're, you're drawing the, the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the name of the town. The town is actually pronounced AE,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: so it's actually not pronounced AI, that's just English, uh, translation,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: so I, so not to burst the bubble on this
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: like fun idea, but it's not there in scripture.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Lotus, it's um, it's not, this is not the Bible
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: giving us some, some kind of like insight into the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: uh future of artificial intelligence. This is, this is just
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: happens to be the same letters.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I would add to that thing.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Is it Aaron Aaron is what it is. I've seen it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It's Aaron. But yeah, I mean, pronunciation does matter, right?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: So for this case, this is an important kind of
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: a distinction that like, because we pronounce things in English
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: is not, does not mean that's how it was pronounced,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you know, even the name Jesus, right, where we know
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that's not how they pronounced it back and that's, that's
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: an English expression of of Jesus' name. So.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Um, just to kind of make that clear, Lotus, that
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: all those names, Joshua was Yeshua, so we're talking about
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a different name. Um, AI was not AI. It's IE IE.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Now we all know. 888-564-6173. Lotus, thanks for your question.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Now here's JJ and San Juan Capistrano. Hello, JJ, what
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: is your question for Phil and Aaron?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Hey Aaron.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Hey guys,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: um, my question was on, well, I wanted to know
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: your perspective on near death experiences, and I asked because, um,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: like a year or two ago, my friend came to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: me and asked me about them, and they weren't a
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Christian yet, but they, they said that later on they
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: told me that.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Her, her looking up these videos on YouTube and stuff,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: helped her, you know, come to Christ and look at
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: that because a lot of these people that had MDs
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: also said that they came to Jesus after that. And I,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and I just, I was, when I told her, and
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I was like, I wouldn't put a lot of stock
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: into it, but I mean, it's interesting. Because when I
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: was younger, you know, I, I heard stories of that
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: and there's like some ridiculous characters that were brought up
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: and stuff. So, you know, I was wondering what you
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: guys thought. Thank you.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: All right, Aaron.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Well, a few things, uh, a few things come to mind, JJ,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: First of all, there's been, there's been lots of books
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: written by people who claim to have honestly either gone
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: to heaven or hell. They write about their experiences and I,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I'll just say at least several of those have ended
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: up being debunked after the fact. The person came back
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and admitted.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Um, that, that in fact it did not take place. Um,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I'm also aware of someone I knew in Bible college
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: who did have an experience like this, and it was legitimate. They,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: they flatlined on the table and, um, and that became
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: a part of their testimony and they, I, I won't
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: go into detail on it because I don't remember all
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: of it. It's not my story.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: But it was used for the glory of God, um.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And yet I'm also reminded of Luke chapter 16, the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: account of Lazarus and the rich man.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Uh, both of which died and went to, um, Abraham's bosom, that,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: that holding place before Christ had died on the cross
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and risen again.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: And Lazarus, he, he, he begs Abraham that um,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: That, uh, he might be able to go back and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: share with, um, share with his brothers so that they
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: would know.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And, and, and, uh, if, if one goes to them
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: from the dead, they will repent. But he said to me,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Luke 16:31, if they do not hear Moses and the prophets,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: And so there's there's an issue of um of condition
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: of the heart. And uh I, I think maybe some
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: uh can be can be encouraged and ministered to.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: And others, others not. And yet at the same time,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: it's
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a, it's, it's a subjective area. It's,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: it's one that can be difficult to discern between the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: legitimate and the illegitimate and um.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I'm, I'm not sure I'm able to give a concrete
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: answer here, so I'm curious what Phil has to say.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, we don't want to walk around as skeptics
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to everything that we read, see or hear. On the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: other hand, we live at a time, maybe, maybe more
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: than the world has ever seen, that of like so
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: much fake news, like so much is fake, and I mean,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: to Lotus's call earlier, AI can create just about anything
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you want these days, you know, cats jumping off of
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the diving board into the pool, you know, and fun stuff,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and then all the way to very serious things that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: like make it seem
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, very real, but, but I also don't think we
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: need to walk around, um, so 22 extremes. Let's not
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: walk around and believe every single thing that we hear
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: or see as if it's gospel truth. On the other hand,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: we don't have to be a bunch of skeptics running
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: around saying everything that somebody says is probably a lie.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Here's where it lands. Aaron gave a great example. He
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: knows somebody who had that experience, who's actually shared with
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: him that testimony, that becomes a really valid expression.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not probably gonna encourage anybody to go out and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: buy the books or, you know, watch the movie and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: be like, this is the, like the gospel is the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: gospel and it's the power of God to salvation.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Everything else is just a testimony, whether that story is
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I flatlined and came back to life, or I was
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a really good person, but I was dead in my
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: trespasses and sins, and Jesus brought me back to life.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: That's the same story, like that's actually the same story.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: One will be made a movie, the other one is
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of people's story, and we need to honor
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: both stories, uh, and not like over-hype, you know, these
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: kinds of things. So I know we're not giving you
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: a clean answer there, JJ, but
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: It sounds like you got some discernment, use it and, um,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you know, give a lot to the gospel and then
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a little to everything else. Yeah, you know, I, I just,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I appreciate Phil's encouragement there because sometimes we can forget
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: that we do serve God who raises the dead. Whether
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: we mean spiritually or or literally, and we see it
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: in scripture.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: And he is able to do that. It's not necessarily
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the normative experience, but it is something that God does. I,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I believe, even still to the present day. Totally, totally. Now, JJ,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: did you say that this person came to have faith
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: in Christ because of these videos and books and everything?
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Well, they started to get interested in Jesus and of
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: course there was some other stuff in their life, but yeah,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: this was like a, like some gasoline in the fire,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I guess, you know.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: And which is great. I mean again, may God use
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: all things to bring people to salvation, but again, like
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: these are teasers to the real thing, which is Jesus, right? Um,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: that Jesus, you know, that somebody was raised from the dead,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: may they not be the attention, but may it be
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the God who raised them from the dead, that's kind
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: of our, that's our story.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your phone call today, JJ. 888-564-6173 is the number.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: And now we're gonna go to Cherry Valley and speak
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: with Sue. Hey, Sue, how are you?
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Good afternoon. How are you guys?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Doing well, thanks. What's your question for us today?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: OK,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: my, I have two questions, but I'll see if I
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: have enough time for the second one. quick, quick question. Um,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I believe in my heart that my husband is not
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: a believer. Uh, we've been married 40+ years. Um, a
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff is coming out now. I've drawn closer
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: to the Lord. Um, I listened to, uh, Billy Graham.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Um, besides, uh, being involved with my church, um, my
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: question to you is, I'm starting to bring out questions
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: to see where he's at, um, knows nothing about the rapture.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Um, the other question, he goes, well, we just don't,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: you know, we're not getting along after 40 years. OK,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: it's every day, and I'm getting kind, it's just, uh.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Mentally wearing on me. Um, even though I pray and
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: it's like, Lord, I, I just gotta leave it in
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: your hands, um, because I'm not understanding what is going
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: on because I really wanna say stuff, but I just
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: control my tongue.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm gonna just leave it in your hands, but.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I said we don't have God in our marriage. He
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: should be number one in our marriage. And he just
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: like looked at me like, what? No. Then he said,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and I says, well, the Bible, you know, this scripture
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: and this scripture, he says, I only, uh, I only believe, mm,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: a little bit of the Bible. Mhm.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, OK,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Lord. Quick
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: question for you, Sue, have you had any kind of
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: counseling yourself or as a couple?
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Uh, he won't go.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: OK. What about you yourself though?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Um, I have, it's very hard to find, um, a
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: woman counselor.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Um
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Out in this area, OK.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you another question, Sue, for the majority of,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, 40 years is not nothing, that's congratulations, that's
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Um, for most of those years, were you
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: walking with the Lord, or is this kind of a
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: new thing as you're kind of growing in the Lord now?
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Um, no, I was, I was.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: backsliding when I started the first part when we were,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: we're married.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: And
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: He wasn't helping the situation. It was more like, I'm gonna, uh,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: when the grandkids were starting to be born, oh, is
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: that the correct, that's not, I shouldn't have said it
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: that way. Um, we have grandkids, but he was, there
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: was more attentive attention with them, especially because of the girls. He,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: he likes, he, you know, favors girls over the boys. Um,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: and there was a
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Point for at least 4 or 5 years of I
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: don't wanna pay attention to you the thing I got
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: my daughter's in drugs, um, and so everything was over
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: there so I was by myself and I'd go visit
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: my mom and dad while they were alive.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Um, and I didn't want to bring my mom in
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to sit down and talk with him, but I asked
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: her just this one time, and he kind of mocked her. Um,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: so, Sue, I think that, oh, sorry to cut you
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: off there, just, um, for, for time's sake, let me
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: just try to, I mean, number one, we wanna, we,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: we are so, you know, we wanna see.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: It'd be great to see the Lord work in your
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: marriage for sure. I think that you have to, and
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: it's a, it's a good thing for you to recognize
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you're coming into a new renewed faith in Jesus, which
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: is wonderful.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: And what you're, you're gonna have to be careful of is, remember,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the majority of your marriage was not centered around Jesus,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: so you have to kind of, I don't know how
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to say this a better way, soft step into that, uh,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: you can't, it's not gonna help your marriage to put
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: this pressure on your husband that was never there before
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: from you.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: For the Lord. It's great that you're feeling, you know, sometimes,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and this is for all of us, when we get
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: excited about something, we want everybody else to get excited
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: about that. And sometimes like we just have to be there,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: we just have to, I mean, it's great that you're
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: getting back with the Lord, that's what God wants for you.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: And I would love to encourage you, and then I'll
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: hand it over. I'd love to encourage you if, if,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: if working on your marriage could be not as much
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: about having to try to like make your husband want
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to walk with God, but about, listen, um, when we
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: raise kids, we're distracted by the kids. Then we get
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: the grandkids and we're distracted by the grandkids, and then
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: one day we don't got those and we're like, do
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: we even like each other? That's where you're at, and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: it's OK to just, just to get back to liking
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: each other.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And you need the Lord to do that, but you
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: need the Lord to do that. He's not there yet.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: You guys gotta work on just liking each other again.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: God wants you to finish this life together, um, and strong,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and I think that if you can just like, let's
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: be friends again, let's focus on that, definitely find yourself
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: a counselor that could help you with this.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: And um I'll stop talking. I don't know, Erin, if
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you had anything else to add into that. I just
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: wanted to suggest to Sue that she said she couldn't
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: find a counselor in her area, a woman counselor. A
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: lot of these counselors now can do stuff online like
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: they can do Zoom, yeah, so yeah, ideally maybe you'd
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: want to be in an office with someone, but you
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: might be able to find someone who can do something online. Uh,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: maybe contact New Life Ministries. They can help you with that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: 1-800-NewLife or newlife.com. Aaron, what would you suggest for Sue?
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, did, did Sue say that she's, she goes
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to a church, she has a church home. Sue, do
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: you have a church that you're attending? Oh, you do. OK.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I was gonna, I was gonna suggest Calvary Chapel, Beaumont.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: If not, it's real close by. I, I know they've
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: got some, some great ladies there that could invest in
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: you and encourage you in this. Um,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: can you point me to, um, a couple ladies up there.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Um, now, I was trying to think where Calvary Chapel
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: because I thought it was on Bowmant Avenue, but I'm
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: not
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: quite sure.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not positive of the location, but if you were
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: to show up there and go to the women's ministry,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: they will connect you with a, uh, with a small group, and,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: and you'll be, you'll be ministered too. I know the
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: pastor and his wife, they're great people. That's Henry Lundy's.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right, Pastor Henry Lundy, and, uh, and Chantelle,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I think is his wife, um.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: So, Phil mentioned having fun together. And sometimes that that
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: is such an important step when a marriage is struggling.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to set aside the things that you
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: see as the bigger issues and just get back to
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the basics. What it, what did it look like 40
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: years ago, which might just seem like a whole other world. But,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: but let's, let's take a walk together. Let's just do
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: something fun or enjoyable.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: And on your own, and in your own heart before
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the Lord, you are pouring out that heart to God
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: on behalf of your husband. You're crying out to him,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: you're involved in the women's ministry, you're being encouraged, built up,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: maybe you find, you know, a good female, uh, biblical counselor,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: as we've been talking about, and Brian encouraged you on.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: But just investing in the marriage, because my, my brain
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: goes to 1 Peter chapter 3 where the um
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Wives are encouraged to be a a a witness through their, um, actually,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: maybe that's Corinthians that I'm thinking of, but first Peter
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: talks about it too.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Being a witness through your behavior, through your conduct, through
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: your walk with Christ, and it goes the other way too,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: but there's a lot that can be said through your
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: decision to be patient with your husband, to love him,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: to invest in him, to look past the inadequacies and
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: the problems, and choose to honor him as the man
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: that God has put in your life.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: And
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Ask God to use that as a way to open,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: open some, some fissures of grace in his life that
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: whereby God might be able to do a deeper work, um.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: We have to remember though, when, when it's taken us
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: a long time to get to a certain place in life.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: The the way out is not necessarily overnight or in
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: a moment. Sometimes it's, it's, it's a period of of
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: prolonged faithfulness, trusting God, believing him, investing the work and
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: and trusting God by his spirit to do what we
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: cannot on our own.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Sue, thanks for calling in today. Everybody watching and listening
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: is gonna be praying for you and your husband. Thanks
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: for calling in today to Pastor's Perspective. Let's go to
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Newport Beach. Here is Brandon. You are on with Phil
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Metzger and Aaron Hale. Brandon, welcome.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. Appreciate it. Hey,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: real quick, so there's a lot of podcasts lately. It's
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: in the last couple of years with um whistleblowers coming
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: out talking about aliens, um, and I just was curious,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: how would if, let's say hypothetically there was a disclosure
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and the government said, hey, there's aliens that live among us,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of whistleblowers, I, I, uh, they say,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: oh well, they've been here a long time. I mean,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: is it the Nephilim? Like, would they necessarily be demonic
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: if there were aliens.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, God doesn't have to put everything in
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: the Bible, right? Like maybe there's alien, we could still
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: live our faith-based lives, and if there are aliens, you know, I, I,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I would imagine that would jar a lot of people's faith, um,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: if there was type of some type of disclosure. I
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: unders I also understand that in the, in the last days,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: you know, God's going to send a deceit, um, a great.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Deception, right, but from what I understand, that's to, to
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: more non-believers, the ones that maybe didn't get raptured. So
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I have all kinds of questions. I'm sure you guys, uh,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: answer this question a lot. I'd like to hear your perspective. Yeah,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: we get it every now and then, maybe not so
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: much lately. Lately the thing has been the Ethiopian Bible.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: That's what everybody's calling about. I don't think we've had
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: a call about it this week. I could be wrong, but, uh.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe people finally realized, OK, yeah, I doubt it. We
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: know everything we need to know about it now. But anyway, aliens,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: what say you guys, Phil, um.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea that it would completely shake our faith
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: is such a um
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: You know, that's, that's definitely coming from the world's perspective
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: of religion, because they see religion is like being held
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: up by like toothpicks that if one thing were to go,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the whole thing goes down and it's like, if, you know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and I see that on a lot of podcasts.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Or like, you know, you see it on like Twitter
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: all the time, like, you know, here's a new video.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: By the way, the videos of aliens just stink. I'm
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: just gonna say it out loud. Can we get one
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: clear video of an alien or an alien spacecraft, so
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: that that's a concern to me.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Um, I would, I would, I, I don't put a
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: lot of stock in that, you know, I think, um,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: for whatever you think about Elon Musk, good, bad, you know, whatever,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: here's a man that's pretty invested in the space industry,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: we can all agree on that, and has, and has
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: said over and over that he believes that life is
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: unique to the Earth, and he sees nothing.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Uh, that has pointed him in any other direction. And again,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: whether you, of course he's just saying that because he's
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: part of the conspiracy, he is an alien and therefore
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: he's avoiding the, uh, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: and again, and, but I would say this, like for
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: those of us, and I would include you, Brandon, in this,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: like those of us that are actual believers, nothing is
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: going to shake our faith, like nothing. If an alien,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: if ET were to be true, I'm not gonna go,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: oh man, what does that do to Jesus? It changes
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: faith, it adds more questions, but you know what, I
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: got a lot of, the longer I've been a Christian,
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  Speaker 1: the more questions I have. I got tons of questions.
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  Speaker 1: I have not become more knowledgeable in a way that
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  Speaker 1: I can say, it's all definitive now. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: when people talk, so I'm on a show that answers
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  Speaker 1: Bible questions, but we've got a lot of I don't knows,
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  Speaker 1: because God's bigger than we are, and if we ever
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  Speaker 1: lose that sense, we lose everything. God is greater, I'm small,
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  Speaker 1: he is infinite, I am finite.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron, amen.
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  Speaker 1: That's funny, I made that statement just this last Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: but I, it was second service. I was tired and
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  Speaker 1: I reversed it and said God was finite and I was.
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  Speaker 1: That's not good. Uh, anyhow, Brandon, your question, are aliens
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  Speaker 1: from outer space real? Does it fit in biblically?
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  Speaker 1: So I've watched lots of videos on this subject, and
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  Speaker 1: I've seen how the discussion has shifted away from aliens
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  Speaker 1: being corporeal physical beings to being interdimensional beings.
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  Speaker 1: And there are testimonies of them communicating telepathically, and there
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  Speaker 1: are
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  Speaker 1: Um, observations about them communicating about things that have to
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  Speaker 1: do with our, our origins and where we came from, uh,
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  Speaker 1: contradicting what we read in Genesis. And I think without
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  Speaker 1: having seen anything or experienced anything personally, and not knowing
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  Speaker 1: for sure, um,
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  Speaker 1: Phil said, you know, some of the evidence so-called is,
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  Speaker 1: is suspect at this point or not super clear, but,
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  Speaker 1: but there are a lot of people that have had
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  Speaker 1: personal experiences.
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  Speaker 1: And I, I am inclined to see it as a
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  Speaker 1: spiritual reality. It does get a little complicated when it
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  Speaker 1: crosses over into the physical, but that's not unprecedented in,
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  Speaker 1: in scripture. Um, I, I don't know or understand Satan's
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  Speaker 1: full ability to manipulate matter and how that fits in,
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  Speaker 1: but
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  Speaker 1: When I, when I hear or read about alien interactions
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  Speaker 1: that begin to either contradict scripture or have a spiritual
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  Speaker 1: element or dynamic to them, it definitely makes me
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  Speaker 1: Look and say, OK, these, these could very well be
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  Speaker 1: beings from another dimension. Ephesians 6 seems to talk about that,
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  Speaker 1: and there, there appears to be a, a, a willingness
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  Speaker 1: and even a desire from that area to draw attention
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  Speaker 1: away from a, a biblical faith. I don't consider myself
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  Speaker 1: an expert in this area, but
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  Speaker 1: Time spent on Instagram and YouTube. Well, you're as much
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  Speaker 1: of an expert as everybody else out there.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon, thanks for your phone call today here on Pastor's Perspective.
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  Speaker 1: And if you are an alien visiting our planet and
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  Speaker 1: you happen to be in the Orange County area or
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  Speaker 1: San Diego area, you can visit one of these two
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  Speaker 1: churches this weekend. There's Calvary Chapel Foothill Ranch in Lake
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  Speaker 1: Forest or Calvary San Diego. Thanks for listening to K
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  Speaker 1: Wave and uh keep on listening, and maybe you can
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: call tomorrow with a question that.
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  Speaker 1: You might have about the Bible, the Christian faith. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: get yourself a Bible. Stop by the chapel store at
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  Speaker 1: the Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa campus and, and buy a
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  Speaker 1: Bible and read it and then call us with your questions.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: And I'm being a little bit facetious here, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: just having fun. God bless you guys. Phil and Aaron,
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  Speaker 1: great being on today. Thank you for being on today,
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  Speaker 1: I should say. We'll talk to you tomorrow right here
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  Speaker 1: on Pastor's Perspective.