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Mark Belling Podcast #110:  It's the weekend Big One as Mark somehow uses a messed up horse race to explain the inevitability of the war with Iran.  Lots more including: Are E-bikes really bikes? · The Mark Belling Podcast

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  Speaker 2: the takeaway from it it's critical to I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: biggest point that I want to make it today's program story.
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  Speaker 2: The horse racing Triple Crown consists of three races, the
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky Derby, the Preakness, and the Belmont Stakes. The Kentucky
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  Speaker 2: Derby is by far the one that is paid the
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  Speaker 2: most attention to. It's an American institution. People who know
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  Speaker 2: nothing about horse racing. Of derby parties, people who don't
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  Speaker 2: know nothing about horse racing, check out my picks on
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  Speaker 2: and on it. The Belmont Stakes, which is the last one,
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  Speaker 2: is a big deal if a horse has won the
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  Speaker 2: first two legs, the Derby and the Preakness, because then
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  Speaker 2: they're going for the triple Crown, which is very, very
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  Speaker 2: hard to do. It was won twice in the last
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  Speaker 2: decade after not having been done since the nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 2: Very hard to do. It's always been hard to do.
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  Speaker 2: The Preakness is the one in the middle. The Preakness
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  Speaker 2: has become a debacle. For the second year in a row,
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  Speaker 2: the Kentucky Derby winner is not going to run in
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  Speaker 2: the Preakness. If you don't run on the Preaknice it
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  Speaker 2: means you can't win a triple Crown. So you not
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  Speaker 2: only have a Preakness that loses its appeal, the Belmont
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  Speaker 2: Steaks won't have that big bump that you get when
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  Speaker 2: you have a horse running for a chance to win
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  Speaker 2: the triple Crown. Because if the Derby winner doesn't run
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  Speaker 2: in the Preakness, nobody can win the Triple Crown. Why
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't the Derby winner run in the Preakness? Again, For
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  Speaker 2: those of you who don't care about this issue, just
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  Speaker 2: bear with me on this because there's an important point
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be my takeaway that's going to apply
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  Speaker 2: to a much bigger story. Like almost everything else, horse
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  Speaker 2: racing has changed. It used to be that horses raced
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  Speaker 2: all the time. You could have horses and the Kentucky Derby,
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  Speaker 2: Prictice and Belmont Stakes are restricted to three year olds.
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  Speaker 2: Horses start racing when they're two. You used to have
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  Speaker 2: horses running in the Derby who had run fifteen or
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  Speaker 2: twenty times already. Now it's common this year there was
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  Speaker 2: a horse that had run only two times. Three four
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  Speaker 2: and five are very common, and often some of those
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  Speaker 2: three four or five occur last year when they're two
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  Speaker 2: year olds. Top elite race horses and those are the
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  Speaker 2: ones that run in these big stakes. I don't mean
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  Speaker 2: the average horse that's running on a Thursday afternoon. It's
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  Speaker 2: some track you know on Ohio. Top Elite horses have
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  Speaker 2: their races now spaced way out. Most trainers, not all
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  Speaker 2: but most trainers believe that the less you race a
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  Speaker 2: top horse, the likelier you will you are to get
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  Speaker 2: a top performance when the horse does race, and when
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  Speaker 2: you win a horse race you get sixty percent of
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  Speaker 2: the purse. It just makes more sense in their mind
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  Speaker 2: to try to get a top performance but running the
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  Speaker 2: horse infrequently, to run it all the time and get
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of second, third, fourth, fifth, ninth places and
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  Speaker 2: so on. There are a million theories as to why
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  Speaker 2: this is changed. Some believe the breed is more frail.
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  Speaker 2: Some believe that horses are now trained way too hard,
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  Speaker 2: that in the old days they just had them gallop
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  Speaker 2: a lot and the races therefore wouldn't take as much
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  Speaker 2: out of them. But why it's happening doesn't matter. The
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  Speaker 2: fact of the matter is is that it has changed,
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  Speaker 2: and the trend has continued year after year after year
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  Speaker 2: for the last number of years. The Preakness, which comes
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  Speaker 2: two weeks that's the key. After the Kentucky Derby, you
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  Speaker 2: would normally the Preakness became a really weak race. Because
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  Speaker 2: you had the Derby. You can up to twenty horses run,
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  Speaker 2: and everybody wants to run on the Derby if they
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  Speaker 2: have a horse that's eligible because the Derby is so prestigious.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when the Derby, what incentive do you have
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  Speaker 2: to come back in two weeks with a horse that
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  Speaker 2: just ran to this incredibly difficult race and throw them
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  Speaker 2: into the stupid Preakness. So the only horse that came
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  Speaker 2: out of the Derby that would run would often be
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  Speaker 2: the derby winner, maybe one or two others from the Derby,
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  Speaker 2: and that's it, and then just a bunch of other
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  Speaker 2: horses that didn't make the Derby would oppose it. The
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  Speaker 2: reason the Derby winner would run was the only way
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  Speaker 2: you can win the Triple Crown is you have to
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  Speaker 2: win the Preakness after winning the Derby. And that became
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  Speaker 2: such an incentive because every horse owner and trainer and
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  Speaker 2: jack every dream of winning the Triple Crown because it's
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  Speaker 2: so hard, it's so rare to do. Last year's trainer
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  Speaker 2: and owner, big time trainer, big time owner, had a
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  Speaker 2: horse named Sovereign to running the Derby and they made
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  Speaker 2: a decision shortly after the Derby. This horse just went
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  Speaker 2: through a brutal for not going to run him in
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  Speaker 2: two weeks, we have a horse for the long term. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna race again this year and maybe next and
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  Speaker 2: maybe the year after that. Why wreck him. Plus, we
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  Speaker 2: don't think you can win if he runs back in
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  Speaker 2: two weeks, so they didn't run them. The same thing
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  Speaker 2: has happened this year. We had a surprise winner of
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  Speaker 2: the Kentucky Derby. Horse that came from way way way
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  Speaker 2: back and an oddly run race, won the race. His
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  Speaker 2: trainer announced yesterday we're not going to run in the
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  Speaker 2: previous For years now, this is where I'm getting to
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  Speaker 2: my point. For years this has been discussed within the
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  Speaker 2: horse racing community. There's been a problem with not enough
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  Speaker 2: horses wanting to run on the Preakness for years, but
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  Speaker 2: now it's reached critical mass for even the Derby winner
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  Speaker 2: doesn't want to run the Preakness. The likeliest scenario, based
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  Speaker 2: on the news that we have right now is of
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen horses that ran in the Kentucky Derby, only
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  Speaker 2: one is pointed to the practice, a horse named o'celly,
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  Speaker 2: a long shot that finished third in the Derby. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: else the Derby winner isn't going to be the second
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  Speaker 2: place horse that's going to be there, and none of
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  Speaker 2: the other horses from the Derby are going to be there,
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  Speaker 2: probably have this horse named Nocelli, and then a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of other horses. It's now a second tier race. It's
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  Speaker 2: part of the Triple Crown, but not really. Many of
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  Speaker 2: the Derby horses will come back and run in the
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  Speaker 2: Belmont Stakes. That's the race in New York. It's three
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  Speaker 2: weeks after the Breakdous meeting. There's a five week separation
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  Speaker 2: between the Derby and the Belmont Stakes, and five weeks
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  Speaker 2: is what horse trainers are much more comfortable with than two.
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  Speaker 2: So this is this has been developing for years, and
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  Speaker 2: it's been talked about for years that you need to
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  Speaker 2: change the schedule to reflect the reality of how horses
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  Speaker 2: are now trained and how they run. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 2: telling you it's been talked about for years, and whenever
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  Speaker 2: it's talked about other people will you know they're traditional
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  Speaker 2: as well. But this is the way it's been. Actually
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  Speaker 2: it's not the way it's always been. These races are
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  Speaker 2: all over one hundred and fifty years old. If you
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  Speaker 2: go back to the one hundred and fifty years of this,
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing sacred about Preakness two weeks later in the
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  Speaker 2: Belmont three weeks later, there was a year way back
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  Speaker 2: in the old days in which the Prectice has run
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  Speaker 2: like four days after the Derby. It's been changed around
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  Speaker 2: a lot. It's just been this way for about forty
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  Speaker 2: or fifty years. But there's no reason it can't be changed.
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  Speaker 2: There's changes and dates of everything. Every other sport makes
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  Speaker 2: changes all the time. The NFL once had twelve games,
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  Speaker 2: and it was fourteen. Now they would have got to eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: Look at college football, they didn't have a playoff, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't never tournament. You can change something if it makes
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  Speaker 2: sense to change it, and I think most people knew
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  Speaker 2: that it had to be changed, but they just didn't
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  Speaker 2: do it. Well, it'll be okay. It'll be okay. It'll
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  Speaker 2: be okay, it'll be can't You'll be okay. I believe
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  Speaker 2: this will be the final straw. I believe by next
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  Speaker 2: year the date of the Preakness will be pushed back.
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  Speaker 2: I predict that it'll be at least one week later,
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  Speaker 2: meaning three weeks after the Derby, which means you'd run
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  Speaker 2: the Belmont Stakes three weeks after that. I think even
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  Speaker 2: that isn't enough. The Derby is always run on the
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  Speaker 2: first Saturday and May My solution is run the Preakness
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  Speaker 2: on the first Saturday in June and the Belmont Steaks
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  Speaker 2: on the first Saturday in July. It would be very
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  Speaker 2: easy for everyone to remember, create better spacing between the
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  Speaker 2: races and increase the likelihood of more of the top
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  Speaker 2: horses running in two or all three of the races.
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  Speaker 2: Some people say that that would make winning the Triple
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  Speaker 2: Crown easier. Actually I think it would make it harder.
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  Speaker 2: Here's why. When you do have a Derby winner that
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  Speaker 2: comes back and runs in the Preakness, they often face
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  Speaker 2: a really weak field because, as I say, nobody else runs.
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  Speaker 2: So now you go into the Belmont Steaks having knocked
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  Speaker 2: off the first two. Bob Baffert, who won the Triple Crown,
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  Speaker 2: controversial trainer back in the twenty teens twice the Preakness
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  Speaker 2: is the easiest race for his horses to run, win
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  Speaker 2: both times. So he then went into the If you
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  Speaker 2: have a loaded Preakness, that a loaded Belmont, they become
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  Speaker 2: harder for those races to win than the current Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: without regard to whether it's a good idea or not,
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  Speaker 2: my point is this, now they're going to finally change
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  Speaker 2: because they have to because the Preakness this year is
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  Speaker 2: a disaster. In fact, everything about it is a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: The Preakness is normally run in Baltimore. It's not going
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  Speaker 2: to be run at the track that it's running in Baltimore, Piblical,
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be run outside of Washington, DC. Why
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  Speaker 2: they're ripping down the track in Baltimore and rebuilding it.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, the Belmont Stakes isn't at Belmont Park in
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  Speaker 2: New York this year. They rip down Belmont Park and
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  Speaker 2: they're rebuilding it. That'll be ready for next year, and
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  Speaker 2: the Preakness will be back in Baltimore next year. So
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  Speaker 2: the practice at this track outside of Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 2: Is going to have attendance limited to three thousand people
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  Speaker 2: because that's all I can handle. It's going to have
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  Speaker 2: a nothing field of races. It's just a mass. So
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  Speaker 2: here's where we're going with this. It is one more
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  Speaker 2: example of putting off what you've known you should have
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  Speaker 2: dealt with. We all do this on lots of things.
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  Speaker 2: There are any number of things that are personal lives
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  Speaker 2: in corporate lives. You see it in American business all
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  Speaker 2: the time. We're companies because they're concerned about the performance
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  Speaker 2: for the next quarter, don't make a long term decision
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  Speaker 2: that may affect say, your profitability in the short term,
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  Speaker 2: but in the long terms and the best interests of
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  Speaker 2: the company. People do it all the time. People who
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  Speaker 2: have addictions know that they don't need to go in
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  Speaker 2: for treatment or help, but they put it off and
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  Speaker 2: put it off until they wreck their lives. People that
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  Speaker 2: are in bad relationships, people that are looking the other
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  Speaker 2: way with the kids of a drug problem. You could
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  Speaker 2: go on and on and on with this. Horse Racing
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  Speaker 2: is very predictable in not making changes until after it's
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  Speaker 2: too late, when they now have to because horse racing
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have a single leader, there's not a commissioner. It's
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  Speaker 2: a slot like sport at which change never happens fast enough.
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  Speaker 2: But let's face it, reality is we procrastinate on things.
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  Speaker 2: We don't address things until it's too late. Remember the
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  Speaker 2: Y two K thing. For everybody was terrified when nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety nine became two thousand that all the computers were
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  Speaker 2: going to screw up and the world was going to
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  Speaker 2: come to an end. No one knows if we didn't
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  Speaker 2: do anything about it, whether that would have happened or not.
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  Speaker 2: But what happened in the year to two years prior
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  Speaker 2: to the year two thousand, companies spent fortunes upgrading their
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  Speaker 2: computer systems to make sure that they could handle the
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  Speaker 2: four the change in the fourth digit of the year,
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  Speaker 2: which they originally were not set up to do. And
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  Speaker 2: nothing really happened. But there were billions that were spent
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  Speaker 2: on this all at the last minute. And you could say,
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  Speaker 2: why this is. You've got some corporate CEO in the
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  Speaker 2: state in the you're nineteen ninety two, all right, two
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  Speaker 2: thousand's coming up, eight years and now we ought to
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  Speaker 2: get to work on this. But that means they'd be
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  Speaker 2: spending money now. They're all judged on how their numbers
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  Speaker 2: are in this quarter, in this quarter, Why spend the
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  Speaker 2: money now? I have set up the following topic. How
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  Speaker 2: long have I been going on and on and on
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  Speaker 2: about this? If I've been on for like nine minutes,
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  Speaker 2: now ten minutes a little over ten, only I can
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  Speaker 2: take more time setting up a point than the actual
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  Speaker 2: point that it's made. Here's what we am. I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember when I first sat on my old radio program.
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  Speaker 2: It seems to me that it was at least fifteen
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  Speaker 2: years ago. I think it was the beginning of Obama,
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  Speaker 2: which should have been oh nine somewhere around there. It
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  Speaker 2: might have been a little bit later than the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of his administration. But I said, and people who are
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  Speaker 2: longtime listeners of the old radio show have probably heard
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  Speaker 2: me say this fifty or sixty times, I said, it's
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  Speaker 2: inevitable that the United States is going to go to
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  Speaker 2: war with Iran. You go back to two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 2: it was inevitable. The question was simply going to be
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  Speaker 2: when are we going to do it? And are we
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  Speaker 2: going to wait so long that it will be helly?
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  Speaker 2: Shall we do it? And the longer you wait, the
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  Speaker 2: worse it's going to be. And my theory on this
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  Speaker 2: was everyone knew that Iran way back then was working
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  Speaker 2: on nuclear weapons, and everyone knew that Iran was the
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  Speaker 2: bankroller of most terror organizations in the Middle East. If
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  Speaker 2: Iran became nuclear and Iran, can you to be the
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  Speaker 2: backer of terrorist groups? My conclusion was simply, Iran will
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  Speaker 2: give their nukes to terrorist groups and you're going to
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  Speaker 2: have mass slaughter all over the planet, and at some
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  Speaker 2: point we're going to have to make sure that that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen. Then Obama came up with his idea. Obama,
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  Speaker 2: who I think wasn't a sympathizer for Iran, I think
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  Speaker 2: he was simply pro radiant. Obama cut he is so
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  Speaker 2: called nuclear deal that never stopped Iran from developing nuclear weapons,
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  Speaker 2: just said we're going to pretend to slow the whole
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  Speaker 2: thing down, and exchange sent a plane load a jet,
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  Speaker 2: big cargo jet filled with palettes of cash in order
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  Speaker 2: to seal the deal. They got all that money, and
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  Speaker 2: as we know, they continue to develop their nuclear program.
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  Speaker 2: Trump tried to address this threat last year when he
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  Speaker 2: bombed their nuclear facilities. So far as we can tell,
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  Speaker 2: he set them back, but didn't wipe it out. And secondly,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't wipe out the knowledge base of all of
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  Speaker 2: the people that were developing the program, meaning they were
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  Speaker 2: going to start over or pick up with whatever was
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: left over. In other words, the need was still there.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: People are debating whether or not this war with Iran
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: is in the best interests of the United States or not,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: and my answer is that it is in inevitability. You
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: can't have the war after they get nukes, because if
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: you have the war after they get nukes and they
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: feel as though they're going to lose undeniably, they will
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: fire off their nukes. Once the nuclear weapon is available
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: to Iran, the entire world changes, and the long term
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: survivability of every man, woman, child, animal on the planet
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: is in doubt. Every president since Jimmy Carter has been
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: staring at this inevitability. The old government of Iran, the Shah,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: fell in the nineteen seventies. Carter was the president. Right
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: after it fell, they started making trouble with the United States.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: They rated our embassy, took about fifty Americans hostage, and
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: held them until Ronald Reagan became president. I think they
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: released them when Reagan became president because I think they
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: feared that Reagan would attack them. They released the hostages
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: so Reagan didn't attack. Eight years went along, Iran continued
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to make trouble, supporting terror here, attacking an American ship here,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and there. Continued past Reagan into Bush. Got worse during Clinton,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: but they didn't have nukes, so there was always something
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: more important to do. And well, they don't have nukes, now,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: what's the big deal. Then w Bush came in nine
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to eleven, occurred somebody else in the Middle East appeared
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to be even more troublesome than Iran. Iran doesn't appear
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: to have had any links of this. Al Qaeda was
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: backed by the children of rich people from Saudi Arabia.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: There may have been some linkage in retrospect, probably stretch
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: to Iraq. So we attacked Afghanistan where El Kaita was,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: We attacked Iraq and did the whole thing again some
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: years later. In the meantime, this thing just kept churning
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and churning and churning. Now Obama comes in uses Iran's
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: nuclear threat as cover for doing what he's wanted to do,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: which is send Iran a fortune in money. And then
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: he said it because I have this deal to make
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: them back off their nuclear obligation. Except that's not what
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the deal did. He just said that that's what it did,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: knowing full well that Iran wasn't going to back off,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: and they got all this cash. Time goes along. It's
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Trump's first term. When Trump ran at sixteen, he said,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I'll never let Iran have a nuclear weapon. Well, they
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: didn't come that close during Trump's first term, so he
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: didn't do anything about it. Then decrepit old Joe Biden
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: got thrown in there with his radicals running the administration,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: all right, now our end's getting closer. They're enriching uranium.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: They have all these facilities. They didn't do anything about it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Trump comes in, The intelligence is pretty strong that their
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: facilities that we hit last year were getting really close
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: to having nuclear weapons. Trump hit those facilities, got very
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: little criticism. All these people on the right that are
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: attacking him now, the Megan Kelly crowd, they didn't say anything.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I watched Megan Kelly then before she lost at least
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: half her marbles. She said she used the word balls,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Trump and the balls to do it. Everybody else threatened
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to do any of the ball city too. It. Well, unfortunately,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: it didn't solve the problem. In the meantime, we noticed
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: that there was insurrection going on in Iran. People were
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: starting to protest openly in the streets, defying this government.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Extremely rare because this government is known to slaughter civilians
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: who say the wrong thing, kill people for no reason.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yet they were openly doing it. Very reminiscent in my
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: mind of Tianaman Square, China nineteen eighty nine. How did
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Tianaman Square end? The Chinese killed everybody. Through the American
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: news meeting, the cameras out and they slaughtered everyone. There
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: aren't really any many cameras in Iran now. The strong
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: belief is that Iran killed the ball. The thought is
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: about forty thousand people were killed, which means, of course
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the people in Iran who are protesting are angrier than
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: ever now, but they're terrified. They don't know what to do.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Trump made the decision that this now is the time
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to strike, and he gave Iran every opportunity. Remember there
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: were negotiations before this war began. Give up your nukes.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Iran didn't do it. As I said, I believe that
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: this war is inevitable. The nightmare is if the war
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: occurs after it's too late. Iran gets a nuke, nukes,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Israel nukes, Saudi Arabia nukes, the Emirates maybe gets a
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: nuke long enough that they can fire it into Europe,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: nukes out. Egypt makes itself the king of the Middle
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: East by killing everybody, or worse, they give the soul
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: called pocket sized nukes, the nukes and a suitcase to
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Hamas and Hesbela and they start roaming the world detonating
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: short range nuclear weapons. All right, now we have to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: go to war to try to end this end, we
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: might have to use our nukes to stop and that's
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: the nightmare scenario. So at some point this had to happen.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I think it would have been better if it had
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: happened last year, and better if it would have happened
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: during Biden, and better if it would have happened in
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Drum's first term, and so on, because the farther a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: lawing it gets, the more problematic. It is. Almost anything
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: that you can think of in life fits into this category,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and the people who oppose it are always the same
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: ones that three years ago say we don't need to
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: move the praanknice back, or I don't have a drug problem,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: or or right, I have fifty and I don't have
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: a dollar to my name. I don't need to start
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: saving for my retirement. Any other thing in which you
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: can say I don't need to do it, because in fact,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you don't need to do it now. It's not affecting
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you now, except at some point you have to do it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Anybody who saved money for that return, that's you know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: that's all money that you didn't get to spend on
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: all the things that you might want to do. You
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: didn't get to go on this trip. You didn't get
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: to go on this cruise. You didn't get to buy
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: this cabin up north. You didn't get to buy I
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: wanted to bring up one of those. I know they
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: haven't changed in dimensions, but doesn't the Ford f one
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: fifty seem to you that it's gotten bigger. I mean,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I was just next to one of these things on
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: the road. I swear it was only a one to fifty.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: It wasn't the two fifty or the three. I know
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: they have different sides of it. It's probably one of
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the extended cab things. They're monstrous. They also not cost
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a fortune. You can buy a four F series truck
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: now for seventy seventy five thousand dollars. Well, maybe I
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: didn't buy that because you're saving money for your future,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: and no, did you need that money now? No, you didn't,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: because the future isn't now, the future is way ahead.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: You're thirty seventy, you're saving money for when you're seventy seven. However,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: when you're seventy seven, you're going to be damn glad
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: you did it. And if we can end this Arranian
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: problem now, we're going to be damn glad that we get.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I support this war. Not everybody does. Some people raise
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I think valid points, some people I think raise invalid points.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I don't take any input from anybody on the left
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: on this. Their opposition to the war has no credibility
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: because they oppose every single thing Trump does, So how
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: do you even know if they're sincere in their opposition
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: to that? For people on the right who have supported
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Trump in many other areas, I'll at least consider their points.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Some people, as I say, I think, have been making
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: points that are reasonable. I disagree with them, but they're reasonable.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: There are other people that are posing this that I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: think are making no sense whatsoever. For me, this judgment
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: is simple. Are we better off if Iran is either overthrown,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: which I think is doubtful, or at the very least
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: dealt such a setback that it will set back their
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: nuclear operations and their ability to fun terror by decades.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: We know this right now. Iran has essentially no military.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: The Iranian Revolutionary Guard doesn't have any planes, that don't
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: have any boats, have any tanks. All they have are
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: the ability to launch a few short range missiles into
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the Gulf and launch a few missiles and throw a
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: few bombs over at the Gulf States and so on.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: We have deeply debilitated it, we haven't knocked it out.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: There's still that and the people who have succeeded all
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the ones that we have killed appear to be even
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: more radical. And Iran still has its economic lifeline, which
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: is oil. Trump has not knocked out the Iranian refineries,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and he has not knocked out the Iranian oil drilling sites.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: He hasn't done that because that would probably mean a
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: long term increase in the price of oil, because you've
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: knocked out a portrait of the world's capacity. But that
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: also means that if we stop the war now, Iran
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: can get the money tree and going again by having
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: all of this oil that they can once again sell
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and begin the gradual process of rebuilding. I think where
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: we are right now, and there's all this back and forth,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: and I've talked forever about how Trump plays good cop
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: bad copies. Come up with this thing. We've sent them
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: a one page deal, and I think there's a very
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: good chance that they're accepted. I actually don't think that
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: that'll happen. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But Trump
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: always keeps you guessing. My own belief is is that
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Trump is doing everything in his power to suggest that
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Iran takes this deal which makes them turn over all
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: of the uranium to the United States and forces them
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: to behave themselves at least for the intermediate term, knowing
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: that if they don't do it now, their oil is
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: going to be gone along with everything else. And when
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: they don't take the deal, he's going to be able
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to say I did everything in my power, but this
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: threat had to be addressed. Again. Everybody has their opinions
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: on this. That's mine. It's very easy in life to
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: be the person who says, I'm not going to do this.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that. There's a downside. There's
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: a downside, of course, there's a downside. Right now, gas
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: is eighty nine dollars a gallon or something, and there's
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: risk involved in a war, and some on the right
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: are breaking ranks to the point that there's probably there
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: could well be a debacle in the midterm congressional elections.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Those are the downsides, and if you didn't do that,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: those downsides would have occurred. But down the road there
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: would have been worse downsides. If we don't do something
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: or we better put. We didn't do something, Iran would
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: have no clare weapons. That's awful, so you stop the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: awful thing from occurring. The thing about presidents is we
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: have term limits. That's a good thing that we have
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: term limits. We brought in term limits when fder kept
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: running for president. Finally he died in the middle of
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: his fourth term, and they changed the law. You can
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: only beat the president for two terms. So we have
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: term limits. It's a good thing. But the downside of
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: it is every president can kick the can down the road,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: sweep it under the rug, and let the next guy
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: deal with the mess underneath the rug. And this Iranian
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: mess has been under the United States rug for about
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: thirty years. Finally, there's so much crap under the rug.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: If the rug starts to degrade, I need a better
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: analogy than this, but you know where that's at some
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: point you have to address the stuff that's under the
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: rug because he's out of control. It's now at the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: point in which you're very very close to disaster occurring.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: No motivations of all the arguments that I've heard about
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the reasons that this war shouldn't be going on, to me,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the dumbest is we're doing it because the Israel's making us.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I frankly, other than maybe Milania, I don't think anybody
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: can make Donald Trump do anything. Secondly, Trump is already
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: a lame duck. He's two and a half years from
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the end of his presidency. He didn't have to do anything.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: He could sweep this under the rug for jd. Vance
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: or Gavin Newsom or whoever the president is to have
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: to worry about that. Furthermore, Trump is obsessed with his popularity,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: and he knew dog gone well that this war would
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: mean a huge hit to his popularity. Therefore, the only
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: explanation to me that makes any sense is that Trump
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: believes this is the thing that he not only is
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: the right thing to do, but as the leader of
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the United States of America, has an obligation to do.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Again, that also means that he could end the war
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: prematurely or continue the war excessively. I do not support
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: a ground invasion of Iran. I do not believe that
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: it is the role of the United States to affect
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: regime change, and the only way you can affect regime
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: change is to have a ground invasion go to Tehran,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: overthrow the government plant the American flag there and install
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: your own government. You can, however, try to weaken the
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: government enough that regime change comes within, that the military
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: stage is a coup and overthrows the religious zealots, or
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: that the people in the street rise up again and
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: they now have enough power and support and the military
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: is so beaten down that they can take over the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Cholchesco scenario. See no, I have a new producer this year, Jason.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: There's no way Paul would know what the Chochesco scenario is.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Do you want to take a shot editor as it
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: before your time? I say, you kind of have it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: You know who Chouchesco was dictator of who, of where
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: or media? Yes, you got it. Yes. See, anytime they'd
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: rise up, he'd just kill everybody, and then they're rising
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: up again. Anyway, I'll go kill everybody until everybody rose
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: up in the military stopped killing anybody, and instead, you
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: know what they did. They killed him and his wife.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: They hanged him in public. Is it hanging or a
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: firing squad? I think it was. Now. I've got to
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: think there's like video, but they edited I think that
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think that they've actually released the actual death
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: of there. You might have been a firing squad. I
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: don't remember. Anyway, There's always that possibility that eventually, and
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I think the masses of the Iranian people have not
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: wanted this government forever. Iran was a modern country in
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies. I mean the women wear skirts there.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: You know, there were a rather secular nation. There was
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: a Muslim population that was fed up with that, and
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: they did stage their revolution then, and that revolution has
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: led to this, the countries being bombed to hell. There
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: are probably still lots of educated, open minded Iranians that
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: want to have a life of freedom rather than to
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: live under this kind of brutal dictatorship. We know from
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: the Iranians who have left Iran and have come to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: the United States that that's what the sentiment there is.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe they rise up, but that's something that's only going
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to be done as a byproduct of me, of us
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: having weakened their government. We can't do it. So I
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: don't believe there should be a grand division, and I
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: don't believe that it should be the state of goal
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: of the United States to bring regime Jeames. That would
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: be going too far. Likewise, the fear that some have
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: is that Trump will end this thing prematurely and with
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: a sham agreement. Iran promises, okay, no more nukes, will
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: turn over the uranium, and then laughs at us in
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the same way that they laughed at us after Obama
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: sent the planeload of cash over there. Trump he's the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: guy that's opposed to nation building, and he's been opposed
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: to these moign wars. This is the only one he's done.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: And of all the positions that Donald Trump has gone
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: back and forth out over the years, I'm just telling
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you I think that this is the only one that
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I can say going back to I mean, there's interviews
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: of him in the eighties in which he has said
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. He's been consistent on
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: this forever. He knows it's going to be his legacy.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Short term, the legacy is trash because you've got people
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: out all the Democrats are opposed to it, and a
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: lot of Republicans are criticizing it as well. Coming up
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: with all that, you know, their anti Semitism sees into
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the point in which they try to come up with
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: this craft thing that we're doing. It becauset Israel wants
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: it done. Well, yes, Israel does want it done. Iran's
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: been hell bent on wiping Israel off the map. Of
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: course they want it done. So does Saudi Arabia want
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: it done. Do you think the Saudis want Iran to
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: still be there and have their nukes? The first one
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: that they knew could be Saudi Arabia a country that
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: they hate, go get there, They're loyal. Do you think
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Eastern Europe, which would be in the range of a
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: short to intermediate range missiled, you think that they want this.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Do you think India wants it? I don't think Pakistan
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: wants it. Pakistan is nuclear. Do you think they want
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: to get into a nuclear war with Iran? They'll never
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: admit it. I don't think Russia wants this Iranian government
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: in there. We don't have a single nation in the
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: world right now that is totally irrational. The war between
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Russia and Ukraine seems to me to be an irrational war,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't seem to be existential to both nations.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: So I don't think we have an a completely irrational
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: nation on the planet where okay, fine, we have a war,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: we have a nuclear war. It's all the greater We're
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: just going to go to heaven anyway and get our virgins.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: That's what they believe in Iran, and that's what the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: people who push for jihad believe Iran is for that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: You can say that North Korea might be in that realm.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: They haven't caused much trouble for the last number of years.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I think that China, more than anything, has put their
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: thumb on that man is gotten them to back down.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: But the Iranian problem exists because of the dangerous zelotry
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and beliefs of all of the people who run around.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Changing who those people are, as I said, is not
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: within our ability unless we have a groundwear which I'm against,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: and maybe not even within our business. But not letting
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: that country continue to make our lives miserable and worse,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: threaten humanity's existence is the right thing to do, and
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: it had to be done at some point. I support
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: what Trump is doing. That doesn't mean that I'm going
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: to support necessarily his next movie, either aggressively escalating too
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: far or ending it on a bad deal. I'm saying
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: that as of this point, I have supported what he's done.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: That my final point of this before we move on.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Anytime you do anything. There's going to be downsides, but
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: the reality is right now for the United States of America,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the downside has been limited. There's been American loss of life,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: but given the kind of military that Iran had, a
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: pretty strong one, it has been lower than it could
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: have been. We knocked out enough of their capabilities that
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: they weren't able to launch zillions of bombs. They weren't
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: expecting our attack, and the attack hit some many of
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: their bases and so many of the facilities so quickly
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: that it restricted their ability to do any kind of
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: striking bag. The rise in the price of oil, which
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: results in a rise in the price of gasoline, has
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: clearly been a downside. The key question is how long
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: does it last. If the war ends in three weeks
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: and the strait has reopened, I think oil prices and
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: gas prices will crash. If this thing ends with the
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Strait of Hormouse still kind of in a holding pattern,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: oil prices will likely remain high. Fortunately for the United States,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: while the rise in the price of oil is terrible
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: for American consumers in many businesses, it's great for a
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: portion of our economy. Because America is the largest oil
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: exporter in the world. So for the American companies involved
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: in oil and oil drilling and so on, they're getting
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: a windfall. Used to be that we didn't get any
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: upside on that because we weren't drilling for enough of
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: our oil. It at least mitigates the debacle of how
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: expensive gasoline prices are. I'm just somebody who spent my
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: whole life and trying to make decisions by weighing the
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: positives and the negatives, and knowing full well that there's
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: never an you know, get into horse racing like I am.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: There's never an obvious answer, and there's always more things
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that can go wrong that can go right. Gas prices
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: up for a while, Tucker Carlson having a Charlie Sykes
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: hissy fit. I weigh that against these Iatola crackpots firing
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: nukes off into Europe or giving some nukes to terrorists
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: who now come get into the United States and launch
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: them or fire them from some offshore boat that they commission.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I'll take the other thing if we can stop this.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: And I don't apologize for saying I applaud Trump for
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: having the guts to do it. It is not the
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: politically smart thing to do, because the way politics works
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: is everybody just focuses on the next election and just
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: shove everything down the road. Social Security and medicare are
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: facing long term cont crises given the fact that there
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: are zillions of baby boomers that are gonna be living
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: forever and ever and ever, and the birth rate behind
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: it is simply so low that you're gonna have to
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: be taxing to death. And again, people have known this forever,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: the Actuarial Tables on Social Security of twenty thirty eight,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: twenty forty one. Whenever it starts to get to the
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: point where you're gonna have to slash benefits, all of
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: this is known. Almost every problem that we have has
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: been known about forever, and we try not to address
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: it until we have to. You can't, with regard to
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons, wait until have to, because half to then
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: it's too late. I believe I am the only person
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: on the planet who is linked the Derby winner not
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: running in the Preakness, with the war in a red
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: you're listening to the Mark Belling podcast. This is the
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Mark Belling Podcast. I teed up a topic earlier in
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the week. I'm fascinated by it and it's one that
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I have not figured out. I'm always more curious about
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: things that I don't understand than the ones that I do.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: The ones that I do. I like to share the
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: information and try to help you become as smart as
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I am. But in terms of my own intellectual curiosity,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: when I don't know the answer to something and I
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: think it's really fascinating and important, I'd like to understand it.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I have heard anecdotally that over the past number of
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: months there has been a tremendous surge in church attendance
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Christian churches and in particular Roman Catholic churches, and the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: surge has been almost entirely young people. There have been
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: kind of stories about this, and it's been mentioned kind
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: of on the side for months now. It kind of
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: started in the wake of the Charlie There was a
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: people noted that after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, there was
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: an increase in church attendance among young people, not just
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Catholic attendants. Charlie was not Catholic, but people going to church,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and you wondered if that was a short term thing.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: But since that period this has been noticed again and
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: again and again and again that Christian churches and in
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: particular Catholic churches have seen a surge and attendance. And again,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: as I said when I mentioned this earlier, the week
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: this has come. In my opinion, from nowhere, I saw
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: no sign church attendancy in general, other than say, some
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: of the megachurches has been on a decline for sixty years,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: and each generation seems to be less religious than the
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: one before. The millennial generation has yet rock bottom in
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: terms of church attendance. All of a sudden gen zs
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: not most of them, just a higher percentage of them
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: than all of the other generations alive are suddenly going
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to church. Anyway, The Wall Street Shittle did a massive
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: story on this, and I mentioned it on either the
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: podcast he put out on Wednesday or Monday, I remember
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: which of the two. And I mentioned it in a brief
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: and I said I could do an entire segment on
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: it because it's so fascinating. The reason I can't do
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: the entire segment is I don't really understand it. So
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I teed it up and I threw it out there,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: and we've gotten some reaction to this. I want to
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: share one email from one listener and we may get
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: more of these in the future. Mark. After listening to
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: your segment on increased church attendance, I wanted to share
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: my recent impression. I was visiting UW Madison for a
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: conference during the week of Easter, and as a devout Catholic,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: wanted to attend daily Mass during that festive week Tuesday
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: evening at Saint Paul's, the Catholic ministry to UW Madison,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: there were like thirty students at the daily Mass. I
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: should mention Catholics are not required to go to daily Mass.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Not many people do. Way more people go on Sunday
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: then go to daily Mass. Most churches offer one Mass
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: per day somewhere in the region and so on. I
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: don't know about this church at UW Madison. I don't
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: know if they have a daily Mass or not. But
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: this guy went on a Tuesday. You said there were
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: thirty students there. Then he said, but I noticed a
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: huge line for confession, so huge mass even started late
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: for non Catholics. Confession is something you're required to do
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: if you have a mortal sin on your soul. But
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: the reality is the overwhelming majority of Catholics, I think,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: don't go to confession. I don't know what the number
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: would be, but I would say less than thirty percent
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: of practicing Catholics have gone to confession in the last year.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: So these young people, they're going in such number that
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: they started the mass late, according to this person, So
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: they're not only going to church, they're embracing the full thing,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: including the hardest part of being a Catholic. From many
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: people actually would have to go into the confessional and
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: tell the priests the miserable things that you've done. It's
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: daunting for a lot of people. Anyway, continuing with the
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: guy's story, I thought it was impressive to see young
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: people taking a sacrament like that, so seriously I saw
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: that they had a Wednesday evening cadillight mass. I remember
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: this guy went initially on the Tuesday, and apparently he's
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: very devot He goes every day he's in Madison. So
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: now he notices that Wednesday they have an evening candlelight mass.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: That sounded pretty so I went as well. It was
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: eighty minutes long. Let me interject, other than like a funeral,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of a week day Catholic mass being
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: eighty minutes long. Most of them are real fast. They
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: take out some of the elements, and you just have
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: the gospel readings and the consecration and the communion and
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: so on. Often there's not even a sermon eighty minutes long.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I would think, if anything, that would be a distancentive
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: for some student. And again, this is Madison now admitted
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: like it's a large campus, so the numbers have to
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: be put in context, but it's also a campus that
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: is very liberal. The service was eighty minutes long, had
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: beautiful chants in Latin, and probably six to eight students
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: fully dressed as servers. I mean, there are many Catholic
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: passes in which there are no mass servers or alter
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: boys because you can't find anybody to do it. This
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: one there were six to eight servers. And again this
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: is not a Sunday Mass, it's a weak night Mass.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: He continues servers fully dressed as servers, carrying candles during
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: several parts of the mass, in full ceremony. I was
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: at the front of the church in the dark and
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: figured this must be those thirty to forty students who
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: are really devout. As revelry could be heard outside. I thought,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: how beautiful to hear the Latin chant and beautiful music
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: of these devout few. I wasn't able to see how
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: many students were actually there at communion. I realized there
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: were between two high hundred and three hundred students in
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: this church space at nine pm at night on State Street. No. Yeah,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: he's on the front of the church. And the reason
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: you notice during communion is they just keep coming and
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: coming and coming and coming. The church is off and really,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: you know, it can be dark. You turn around, you'd
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: have to look. He didn't. He just assumed that it
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: wasn't that crowded because he's sitting there. He said, two
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: to three hundred people we're in that mass. Again, it's
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: during Easter Week, but it wasn't Easter Sunday at nine
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: o'clock on a Wednesday night in Madison. Again, I don't
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: have an explanation as to what's going on with gen
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Z and the numbers of them that suddenly having a
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: desire to go to church, and in particular Catholic Church,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: which has just seen a shriveling of attendance by young people.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: I think though, that undeniably something big is happening here.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: I admit I don't know what, and I'm hoping that
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: we get more feedback on this story, and I'll continue
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: to share it. Way back when the millennials were coming
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: of age on the radio show, I did a number
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: of programs just on the uniqueness of the millennial generation.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: We ended up doing it was I Guess a podcast.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: We didn't know that it was a podcast, and we
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: packed together a number of those programs Paul created and
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: them put them online in which we pulled segments from
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: all of these different shows and put them back to
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: back to back to back and slapped it up there.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I think that that might have even been before the
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: term podcast was out there, but it was a way
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: for people to go back and listen to all of
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: those segments. They are really, really quite interesting as we
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: learned all of these unique characteristics about twenty years ago
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: that turned out to personify that generation. This story. They
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: held the primary elections this week Tuesday in Indiana. Indiana
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: is a state in which the state legislature is controlled
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: by the Republicans. Like many Republican controlled states, Trump wanted
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: them to redraw their congressional district lines. This is happening
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: all over the country. Democratic states are jurymandering their districts
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: to make more democratic districts in their state, and Trump
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: has encouraged the Republicans to do the same thing famously
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: in Texas. Gavin Newsom probably started it all in California.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: California is a state that has some fairly significant pockets
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: of Republicans, but overwhelmingly the state is democratic. To just
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: carve up the Republican districts and takes say a fifty
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: six percent Republican district and throw a little bit of
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: anto this district, a little bit of that district, add
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: some democratic areas in there. You can do it. In Wisconsin,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: the state legislative lines have been redrawn when the leftist
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: got control of the state Supreme Court. It may be
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: likely the not that the Democrats are going to take
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: control the state legislature in this election, all because of
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: the change in the districts. So Trump's wanted the Republicans
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: to do this at the same level that the Democrats
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: are doing it. And there's been a number of states
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: controlled by Democrats from which they have indeed changed the
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: district lives. And in Indiana they didn't want to do
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, that's wrong. Well, jerrymandering districts
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: is wrong, but guess what if the other side does
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: it and you don't, you can't win. So the Republican
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: legislature refused to draw the district lives. Almost every one
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: of these Republican members of the State Senate who refused
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: to do what got a primary challenge challenge, and the
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: challenger came out and accused the incumbent of not being
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: sufficiently Republican and not trying to win and not caring
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: about their country. Trump endorsed all the challengers. All of
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: them won. It was an absolute wipeout. There is carnage
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: among incumbent Republican members of the Indiana State Senate. I've
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: got the list here. There's one race that's still too
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: close to call. Might be going to recon otherwise, Senat
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: District nineteen thirty nine, one, sixty eleven, and twenty one,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: we're all contested races in which somebody challenged the incumbent
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Republican member of the Indiana State Senate of the challenger,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: and all of those races, District twenty three is said
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: to be a toss up. What does this tell me?
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: It tells me something I've been preaching forever and ever
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: and ever, and I've been trying to preach it to Republicans.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Here in Wisconsin, the overwhelming majority of Republican voters want
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: to support Republicans who play to win. Also, for all
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: of this talk that Trump has lost the support of
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: the GOP rank and file, all of these candidates in
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Indiana were endorsed by Trump and they all won. With
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: one of the races. As of the story that I
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: read it came from yesterday, maybe that race is resolved,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: which was called a toss up. So to say that
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Trump's grip on the Republicans has waned because of the
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I just think that that's overstated. Clearly there's been slippage,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: and some of the slippage has been more from prominent people,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the Meghan Kelly's and Tucker Carlson's and not even putting
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Candis Owans into that category because she's in a category
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: under herself. I don't know what the term for that
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: category would be. I mean, some people would say nuts.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think she's nuts. But it's something else. It's
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: another thing that I haven't fully fully been able to
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: figure out. No, No, it's this story, this one in
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: the Waukeshaw Freeman e bikes surge and popularity and concern.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: All right, I've been slow to pick up on this.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Usually I always pride myself on spotting trends before they happen.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I'm late. Everybody's bitching about the e bikes. Now. I
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: want to share two experiences. I spend four months of
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: the year in Florida. The street that I live on
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: is I'm going to claim the busiest street in North America.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that's not true. It just seems to me
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: like it is. The problem is, you know, in all
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: these cities in Florida, there's a bay they call them
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: usually intracoastals, that separate the mainland from the strip of
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: land along the ocean and Miami Beach, and the communities
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: north of that they have Biscayne Bay, and the north
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: of Biscayne Bay is it in a coastal. So when
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: you're on the strip of land nearest to the ocean,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: there's only one road that goes north and south because
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: the strip of land is usually not even a mile wide.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: And no matter where you are to be at the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: main drag in Palm Beach are the main Dragon Fort Laudaer.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: The main drag arrive in Miami Dade County. This one's
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: called A one A. What a great name for a
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: highway A one A US. What is the federal highway there?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I think that there's some history about it. I think
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: the numbering system actually did start east to west when
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: this is not the United State system, the federal highway
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: system anyway. A one A is the name of the road.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Collins Avenue is the street name that they put on.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: It's just always clog and there's nothing you could do
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: about it because everything's built up right to It's like
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Strip. There's no way to clear out
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: any land because everything's built to the edge of the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: street and there's no other place of the traffic to go,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: and people get moving out of Florida and so on.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: There's three or when there's a turn lane, four lanes
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: in each direction, and of the daytime it's just not enough. However,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: there's always a little bit of room between the two lanes.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: We don't have, thankfully, they don't have the things that
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: they've done in the City of Milwaukee, but putting in
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: all these bike lanes, but there's always, you know, two
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: feet between your car and the curb and so on.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: You should see these e bikes. You'll see some of
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: the people that have like these scooters, the same scooters
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: that we have in Milwaukee, and they're rolling around on them.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: But I don't see many of the scooters on the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: road down there. It's just too dangerous. There are too
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: many cars. Now. My car, like most is one of
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: those little little flicker things that go on when there's
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: a car to your left or a car to your rights,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: that kind of a blind spot indicator. I think that
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: that's what they call it, and like most people, I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: tend to over rely on that. I still always try
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: to look over my shoulder because in fear that the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: blind spot indicator is not working. The blind spot indicator
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: does not pick up the e bikes I have been
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: down there. You know, when you're puddling around going two
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: miles an hour, just inching forward, inching forward, inching forward,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, to you're right, whosh, is
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: one of these e bikes. Now Milwaukee, very close to
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: where I live here. This week I met a red light. Now,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: we all know that bicyclists do not believe that traffic
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  Speaker 2: lights apply to them. I mean, you get fourteen cars
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  Speaker 2: backed up at a red light, a bike is always
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  Speaker 2: going to go through. The only time the bike doesn't
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: go through is if there is an actual car coming.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: But if there's not anybody there, they go forward. And
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: part of me understands why that is okay. All the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: cars are sitting here, there's nobody coming, and it's against
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: the law to go ahead the bicycles saying screw this,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go. I kind of get why they
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: do it. Nonetheless, it's what they do. I'm sitting at
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: the red light is again very close to where I live,
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  Speaker 2: downtown Milwaukee. This is not one of the streets that
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  Speaker 2: has the separated out bike lane where thankful you know
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: where they've got the concrete media and dividing the bike lanes.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: The bike is red on the street. It's a four
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: lane road meeting two lanes in each direction, and I'm
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: on the right of the two lanes. I am not exaggerating.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: There's an e bike that came flying past me through
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: the red light. I'm going to do my best to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: be accurate. It's hard to tell. I think it was
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: going at least thirty miles an hour. It was there
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: and gone so fast. I was stunned, startled. I certainly
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: never saw it. If the light had turned green and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I would have started up driving, hopefully I would have
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: started off exactly straight and not wobbled a bit. But
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: if I was one of those goofs that was going
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: to turn right at the stop light and didn't have
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: my indicator on the bicycles and't have seen it. So
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: here's whe I'm going with this. We have to stop
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: classifying these things as bikes. These are scooters. E bikes
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: are still defined under the law as bicycles, and they're
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: treated as bicycles if they're electric. However, it means that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: they have motorized power on them. I don't know how
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: fast the most of them. Do you know anything about this?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: What do you know about e bikes? Anything they annoy?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: You don't know anything about them. You don't have one.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I actually when they first come out a few years
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, I remember the last time I
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: rode my bike. It was the day before I got
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: my first car. When I got a car, I inherited
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: my grandfather's Pinto. Had the Pinto for one year before
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: it fell apart, and then I graduated the greatest car
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: in the history of my life of sixty eight Camero convertile. Anyway,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: when I started trying the pintle, that was the end
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: of my And I know I never wrote it since
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I think that that bike do. I don't even know
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: that I was riding my bike anymore. It was probably
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: like one of the bikes that was just in the house,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: all right. That was the end of my bike riding.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: I have not ridden a bicycle since the e bikes.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm thinking, oh my god, the seats.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: I look at these bikes now and the seats just
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: seem unbelievably uncomfortable. I just think my rear end would
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: be so sore. These things. They're like these hard flastic
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: and it looks like it's just driving right up into
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: your keyster. And do I want to ride the bike
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  Speaker 2: up the hill?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: But then, I mean, I see these e bikes and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: I'd be seeing somebody going not fast, like ten miles
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  Speaker 2: an hour and barely peddling, and the electricity is doing
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: all of the work. And you know, I live near
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: the lake. I think I kind of thought about this
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: for a while. I didn't do it, you know, when
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: I stopped thinking about it, when I've rid how much
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: they can cost. We're talking on the on the pidecasts
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: yesterday about Harley's Some of these things costs more than
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: a Harley, I exaggerate, but not much. Anyway, we have
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: laws for motorized scooters. They're required. I believe a motorized scooter.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I don't mean the scooters that like the Lime scooters
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: and so on, the ones of this put the one
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: foot on what I mean by the scooters. Here are
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: the ones that actually have the two wheels and have
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: a motor on them. There are laws with regard to them,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: and they have to get a license plate, just like vehicles.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: And I believe, I'm not sure, I believe to drive
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: a motorized scooter you're supposed to have a driver's licenis
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: I think the e bikes have to be put into
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: that category. Now, again, I'm not a big guy for
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: government regulation, and I know that some of these people
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: who have the e bikes are just using the e
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: portion of the e bike as a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: an assist. Say you're going up a hill, and a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: lot of hills in Milwaukee, say you go to Flaffayette Hill.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Are all these lakes the hills that feed from the lake,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: and you know, some of these old farts, they have
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: to get off the bike and walk all the way
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: up the hill. Some of them are just using it
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: for that, and they're still using the bike for biking
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: because it's the purposes. They're still trying to get exercise.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: The electricity part just helps them out a bit. But
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: there are others of them. I'd love to know what
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: the horsepower and some of these things are. I was
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: just taken aback at how fast this thing was going
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: when it shot just passed me. I tell you if
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: the guy who is riding the bike, and I'm assuming
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: it's a guy, had a helmet on or not. It
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: happened so fast and he was around the court. I
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: never found out, and after the light went green, but
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: the time I went forward, nowhere to be found. I
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: don't know if he turned or whatever it was that
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: he did. I'm assuming he had a helmet on, and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming that there's that there's knee pads. But I suspect,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: going back to the first topic of today's program, that
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  Speaker 2: this will be dealt with after a bunch of e
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: bikers get killed, and then will we decide that we're
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: going to change the laws with regard to them, and again,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how we should change it, because
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: I think for most people the e bike is more
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: like a bike, but the capability that they have it's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: much more akin to a scooter or even small motorcycle.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: I actually ought I asked the people at wheel and
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: spocket or Kegels are one of them, how fast some
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: of these go? I actually don't even know the answer
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: to that. I come somewhat ill prepared, and I think
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Jason's is ill prepared as I am. Your only response
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: is you you're just annoyed by them. I don't have
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: any real problem with them. I just think that they
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: pose they need to be. You know, I don't have
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: a problem with motorcycles, which are loud and obnoxious and
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: just destroy a lot of people's quality of life in
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: the summer. It's part of my in my mind, of
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: living in Milwaukee. It's part of living in the city.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: You're gonna hear that kind of a noise. I think
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: that these things and they present the same kind of
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: problem in terms of traffic and so on as the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I just think that there's a problem here. I normally
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: have solutions to my problems. I have no solution to
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: this one. In a moment, some thoughts what beard company
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: was it that had that thing? The most interesting man
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: in the world was that dos ECUs it was. They've
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: stopped running those, haven't they in a while? You know
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: what struck me about those commercials? That guy did not
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: seem me interesting at all. So I use to skydive,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: so what or there's like five young women hanging around him.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I'm in Florida. Do you know how many old farts
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: with beards have five young women hanging around you? He
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: never said one thing in any of those commercials that
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: struck me as the slightest bit interesting. I do think
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: one of the top ten most interesting people in the
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: world was Ted Turner, and some thoughts about his passing
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: in a moment on the Markdelling podcast This is the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Gulling Podcast. Here's another thing, by the way, that I
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: don't know anything about. I don't know anything about the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: differences in these Mexican beers. I don't know if Corona
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: is better than dos Ekis. I just know that a
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: lot of people drink them. I'm pretty sure I've had
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: one or two, but wasn't paying any attention to whether
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: or not I liked it, and I don't know. I'm
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: guessing that it's the same as American beers, as the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: brand loyalties to them. I don't know if the people
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: that are drinking them are people that switch from mainstream
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: American beers, or are these the ones that are being
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: consumed by people who like craft beers. I don't know
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: any of Do you know anything about that? You don't
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: drink Mexican beer? Do you drink beer? Yeah, Miller, that's
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: what I drink. I drink Miller Light at a baseball game,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: That's it. And I don't drink cors Light because when
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: I first tasted the cors Light thirty years ago, I
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: thought it was the worst take tasting liquid I've ever
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: put it in my mouth ever. I know lots of
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: people who drink it, and I've never even given it
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: a second chance. It just tasted to be like somebody
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: put like an ounce of beer in a glass. I
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: poured seven ounces of water edit and mixed it up.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: That's what car is like. Taste the leg to me
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: and Miller like to me, tastes like slightly watered, dumb beer.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: But it has a decent enough taste all right now,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: to an issue in which I have an opinion. Ted Turner.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is an interesting guy for those of
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: you that are younger that don't know the background. He
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: made a lot of money early on. I first heard him.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I remember when I first read about Ted Turner. I
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: read about him in Sports Illustrated. I've got Jason, how
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: old are you? Oh, you're you're older than I thought.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: You're still quite a bit younger than me, but you're
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: not that young. Do you know what Ted Turner would
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: have been in Sports Illustrated? Yeah, I mean this is long, long,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: long ago. The braves, you own the braves, and so on.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Ted Turner was one of the leading yacht skippers in
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: the world. He competed in America's Cup. He was the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: American representative. In fact, in my head somewhere, the name
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: of his boat was Courageous. I might be wrong about that,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: but that's where I first heard of him. He was
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: competing in the America's Cup. He was a yacht he
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: was a yachtsman, you know, a skipper of those yachts
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: that race in those global boat races. And the only
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: people that are big into that are people that have
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: a fortune because those are really really expensive things to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: be able to pursue. He went on to create a
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: media empire. I think as much as anyone, Ted Turner
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: invented cable TV. The technology of cable TV was always around.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: When first I had cable TV was when I was
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: going to college and Lacrosse. We didn't have it where
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: I grew up in the Fox Valley yet, it hadn't
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: been wired yet for cable. We added in Lacrosse, and
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: they needed in Lacrosse because the TV stations weren't all
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: on Lacrosse. The NBC affiliate was way up in Oaclaire
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: and you really couldn't get a good signal of it
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: off of an antenna, so you needed to have cable
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: in order to get those channels. And the channels on
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: the TV were simply just the over the year channels.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: All cable TV was back in the late seventies was
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: a better version of the antenna that you either had,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: you know, the old rabbit ears off the back of
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: it or an antenna on your roof. That's all cable was.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: It was just the way of getting it. Ted Turner
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: created the first superstation you know WTVS now, that was it.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: It had different call letters. Then it was a TV
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: station in Atlanta, an independent station, remember the old till
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: around Channel eighteen of Milwaukee that kind of showed syndicated
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: shows on a lot of sports. Ted Turner bought the
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: station in Atlanta that had that and he got it
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: on cable, meaning anybody in the United States could watch
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: this station in Atlanta, and it was the only one.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: It made the Atlanta Braves a big thing because he
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: carried Braves games. And after he did this, a few
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: others came in. Pay cables started coming in shortly after that. HBO,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: I think was the first one, and then all sorts
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: of other cable channels came around, and eventually he invented ESPN,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: thirded he invented CNN CNN, which is now a joke.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: It was once very good and very important. You're talking
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: about the wars in Iraq, the first war in Iraq,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: the one that occurred in the first Bush. CNN had
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: three reporters that were over there when the war started.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Bernard Shaw was one of them. I think Hallman was
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: was a second, and I don't remember the third. And
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: you know, we were watching that war and you were
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: getting live coverage from Iraq during the bombing from CNN.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: While CNN's news coverage was always biased to the left,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: it was only biased to the left because all media
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: was biased to the left. In fact, I think in
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: the early days of CNN it was less biased than
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: say CBS or NBC. Famous moment in the presidential debate
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight, many people believe the reason that
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: George H. W. Bush beat Michael Ducaccus was the question
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: that Bernard Shaw threw at Ducaccus in the debate that
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: he totally butchered. Bernard Show off CNN. You know, we
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: were talking. They were talking about the death penalty and
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Ducoccus as opposed to it, and Shaw through to him,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: if your wife kitty was raped and attacked by someone,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: are you saying you wouldn't want the death penalty for him?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: A lot of people that is inappropriate question. But cockies.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Instead of saying, how dare you know? Do what Trump
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: would have done and throw it back and assays that
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: it's a repulsive and inappropriate question, he muddled something, well,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: of course I'd be a little u s out of
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: my wife, but I've done man. He gave some terrible emotion,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: passionless answer, and it changed people's views of him anyway.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: CNN Turner was a conservative. Turner testified before Congress back
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: in that era, criticizing the broadcast networks for being way
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: too liberal. Then with all the money that he had,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: he was carrying the Atlanta Braves baseball game. So he
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: bought the team, bought into sports teams. When did he
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: become this lefty? I'll tell you when he became this lefty.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: He married Jane Fonda, and all of a sudden, And
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: when I said all of a sudden, Ted Turner came
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: from being a Southern cracker who was a right winger
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: on about everything. I mean, he was a big buyer
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: of land and a land developer, and he started CNN
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: by ripping bias in the TV networks. Suddenly he marries
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Jane Fonda, and he's missed the environment and the you know,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: he directs CNN and moves it all to the left.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: I know why this happened. It's so simple to understand.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Do you know how many American men, especially old fires,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: have made total asses of themselves over a woman. He
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: moved himself to the left, keep Jane Fonda happy. It
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: was his path of least resistance. By the way, who's
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: the guy that did the man show a Jimmy Kimmel.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Adam Corolla. That's it Ata Corolla. I saw him on
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: an interview. He said he's still close to Jimmy Kimmel,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: even though Corolla is a very outspoken conservative and Kimmel's
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: become this left wing idiot. Adam Corolla, he said he's
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: still a friend of Kimmel. He says his belief is
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: the reason Kimmel's become such a lefty pain in the
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: butt is he married a lefty woman and she's filled
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: his head and rather than fight it, he's just gone
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: along with it. I could do a listen. It would
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: take up nineteen podcasts of guys that have made fools
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: on themselves over women. Bill Belichick, I mean he comes
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: to mind, because that one's really bad. How about the
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: coaching New England Vrabel with this old Diana? Ever see anything?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Terry Sandford was the governor of South Carolina. The governor
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: he disappeared from his job as the governor and when
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: hiking in South America like Argentina for weeks while he
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: was the governor with a woman who wasn't his wife,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: So I'm head. Turner was married to Jane Fond of Froe,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: and that's what he became liberal. I still remember, you know,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: it was during this period of time that the assault
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: on Native American sports names began. By the way, the
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Braves are about the only one that have held in there.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: But one of the things that Brave fans have done
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: forever and still do is, I mean, in this world
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: at which we've done had so much political correctness, jam
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: down our throats. It's amazing to me that this still
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: hangs on the team doesn't encourage it, but whenever the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Braves are rally going, they'll do this war chant kind
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: of thing and they raise their hands up and down
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  Speaker 2: like a tomahawk chant. Florida State does that too. They're
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  Speaker 2: the Seminoles. That's the one case of a tribe that
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  Speaker 2: wants the name to continue. Now, the Braves is a
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  Speaker 2: generic name, but there was a playoff game. It's probably
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  Speaker 2: back in the Greg Maddox herowin. Bobby Cox is their
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  Speaker 2: manager in the Braves are in the playoffs, and Turner
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  Speaker 2: on the team, and he's married to Jane Fonda. And
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  Speaker 2: this is after now all of this stuff was considered
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  Speaker 2: to be racist and you're not supposed to do it,
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  Speaker 2: And the tomahawk chant is going on to the stadium,
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  Speaker 2: and not only there is Ted Turner doing the thing,
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  Speaker 2: Jane Fonda was doing the tomahawk chant. So people tend,
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  Speaker 2: I think, to have a final impression of Ted Turner
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  Speaker 2: as this big lefty icon kind of pain in the butt.
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  Speaker 2: But the reality is he was an incredible pioneer, visionary
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  Speaker 2: and he ended up. I think he died of Louis's
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  Speaker 2: body dementia. It just a terrible disease, and apparently his
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  Speaker 2: mind and his body have been shot for some number
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  Speaker 2: of years. But he was a credibly significant person, and
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  Speaker 2: particularly before his whole ideology, and had his ideology not changed,
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  Speaker 2: maybe CNN wouldn't have gone to hell. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: company was all sold, there was the merger with AOL,
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  Speaker 2: and numerous takeovers and so on, and it was no
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  Speaker 2: longer under his control. But had Ted Turner not turned
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  Speaker 2: to the left, and he had continued and not sold
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  Speaker 2: his media entities that he had, it's very possible that
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  Speaker 2: CNN would have remained a middle ground news source. And
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  Speaker 2: I still contend there is a major market niche for
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  Speaker 2: a news service that is not conservative like Fox, liberal
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  Speaker 2: like everybody else, but act I mean CBS says they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to do this. They just think it's really hard
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  Speaker 2: to do with the same people that you've had all along.
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  Speaker 2: But if CNN would have simply stuck it out for
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  Speaker 2: the last forty years, playing it down the middle, I
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  Speaker 2: contend they'd still be strong rather than be the marginalized
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  Speaker 2: operation that they are now. You remember that first rack
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  Speaker 2: war night, I mean, the bombs are dropping and Bernard
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  Speaker 2: Shaw was there. John Holman, you do you have any
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  Speaker 2: recollection of this? Yeah, I mean you remember that night
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  Speaker 2: though it was the first night of the war, and
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  Speaker 2: trying to I can't come up with the third reporter
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  Speaker 2: is but they had a three star I think I
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  Speaker 2: think the one guy they're all who Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: Arthur Kent was there for NBC. You have somebody that
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  Speaker 2: was interact during the war, but he wasn't with that network.
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  Speaker 2: The thing with CNN, though, was that they were the
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  Speaker 2: only news operation to be wall the wall because Fox
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  Speaker 2: wasn't around yet, MSNBC was and around it. They were
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  Speaker 2: the only one, you know, and the regular TV networks
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  Speaker 2: might have broken into their coverage. But again, this is
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  Speaker 2: the first war in Iraq, not the second one, the
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  Speaker 2: first one. That was a groundbreaking period for me. It
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: was first or second or third year that I was
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  Speaker 2: doing talk radio here in Milwaukee, actually first year nineteen ninety,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what put us on the map. It was
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: a year into the thing, the first year which we
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  Speaker 2: grew very very slowly. When the war started, there were
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  Speaker 2: all of these people. Again, remember this is before there
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: was any cable other than you know, CNN on a
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: little bit, there was no Internet. People were interested in
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: getting war coverage and they turned to AM radio, knowing all,
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  Speaker 2: there's some news stations there. They stumbled not only onto US,
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  Speaker 2: any other station that carried Rush or any of these
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  Speaker 2: other programs, and they heard, rather than hearing everything you
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  Speaker 2: were getting from the media attacking the war, kind of
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  Speaker 2: like now, there were people that were actually supporting it
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  Speaker 2: and the people that were interested in a conservative point
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: of view. That's how they initially found us, and it
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: grew from there. But that was the turning point, not
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  Speaker 2: only for me, for Russian, almost every other of the
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  Speaker 2: pioneering talk radio stations in America. We've covered everything under
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