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Mike Macdonald Cuts Loose: Hard Knocks Episode 2 Reaction · Sea Hawkers Podcast: for Seattle Seahawks fans

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Adam: Welcome to the Sea Hawkers Podcast.
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I am Adam Emmert and I'm joined today by my good buddy Clinton Bonner.
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And Clinton, we're talking a little bit about Hard Knocks, episode two just aired.
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This is our live reaction to it.
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an episode that had a lot of stuff in there.
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A lot.
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It's gonna be fun to kind of pick through a little bit.
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And I think one of the fun parts about Hard Knocks to me, Clinton,
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is that everybody picks out totally different things a lot of times.
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Mm.
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And, it, it's always fun to hear what everybody kind of takes away from it.
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But, yeah, man, interesting episode, and I know you are
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jacked up to talk about it.
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Clinton: Adam, I am so fired up about this.
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This might have been…
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I saw Lisa in our Discord, which by the way, if you're here right now live,
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you should be joining, subscribing, liking- Yeah … all the things.
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Get in our Discord at getintheflock.com,
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'cause Lisa just put in there, "That was the single greatest episode of
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TV that humanity has ever produced."
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And I don't disagree, Adam.
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Adam, if I am to say to you, "The MOB is good," what would you say?
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Adam: All the time.
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Clinton: All the time.
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Adam: Yeah.
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All the time, Clinton.
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Clinton: All the time.
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The MOB, what, what a beautiful, culture, right?
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To me, there's a lot to talk about, and for me, right out of the gate, the one
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thing I kept thinking was, "Man, there must be about 27 or 28 teams that are
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sitting at home, like, that are like, 'Why isn't my NFL life like this?'"
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e- every aspect of it, Adam.
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Adam: Yeah, for sure.
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'Cause there's a lot of different things that I think have been highlighted that
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are special about Coach Mike, the culture, what John has, been trying to build,
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just the brotherhood among the teammates.
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And, you know, one of the things that I think…
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I don't, I didn't listen to you and Brandan after episode one, but I
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think it's really interesting how the VMAC itself is a star of this show.
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Clinton: Of course, of course.
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Adam: Right?
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And, 'cause it is.
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It's…
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I've driven past, like, the Saints practice facility.
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It's in, like, the industrial part of, like, New Orleans-
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Mm-hmm … in this crappy dome.
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Like, you go there, you'd think you're going to football prison.
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Like, to go to the go to the lake- Kinda are, you know … and experience
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what they experience, and then, you know, the way the coaches build their
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culture, it, it really is special.
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Clinton: it's, it's unbelievable, and always special is Ryan911,
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our executive live producer, coming in with a 999 super chat.
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He says, "We need a Hard Knocks spinoff that's just, like, 10 episodes of
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Sam throwing spirals in slow-mo."
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Adam, to me, this hearkened- but thank you, Ryan, so much.
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This hearkened back to, like, NFL Films good old days- Oh, God
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NFL Films with the deep, you know, deep voices, and they're in the
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tren- the lam- John Facenda Exactly.
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And the slow-mo spiral, maybe a l- maybe a little glow up from the NFL, from HBO?
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A little glow up for Sam Darnold, Adam?
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What, what were you thinking while you saw Sam?
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Maybe we call him Sa- Sammy Spins now.
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I didn't know his rotation rate was that strong.
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Did you?
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Adam: I had an inkling, a- actually.
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Hmm.
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And, we'll, we'll get to that in a second.
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But I think it's very interesting that this is one of the things
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in the comments that's popping up, like, right out of the gate.
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Our buddy James, he just- Yeah … down the road from me, he
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gives me a call during the, you know, Sammy slinging, you know, spinning,
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like, portion of the episode.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He's like, "Do you believe this?
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Look at this."
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Like, everybody was, was fired up about it.
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And look, man, I'd be first one on the record i- to say give me
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slow-mo throwing motion balls in the air stuff all day long.
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I was transfixed.
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I was transfixed because it's beautiful, and Sam's motion is beautiful, and
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couple things about the spin rate.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, hey, I wanna know how fast Warren Moon's spin rate-
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Clinton: Oh, God, who was in the episode, my best friend, who we sat
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down with at the- Hear that … draft.
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Adam: the, the other thing would be, I had kinda gotten an idea about
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Sam's spin rate- Back, I don't know if I'm still here or if Clinton's still
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here, so, you guys let me know.
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Clinton: Yeah, I, I could hear you.
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your, your, your audio kept going, you froze up for a second.
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I, I think I'm good- You froze up though … but keep on r- Oh … keep rocking.
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Keep rocking.
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Adam: All right.
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Very good.
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So, where I kinda got turned on to the idea that Sam can really spin it is,
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there's a video that was done, and I think it was even before his Vikings season.
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Jason Garrett went around the NFL, was talking to quarterbacks about
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throwing motions and stuff like that.
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Eventually gets to Josh Allen, and he asked Josh Allen, he's like,
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"Oh, who s- who spins it the best?"
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Clinton: Hm.
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Adam: And r- without a b- missing a beat, he's like, "Oh, Sam.
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Sam spins it better than anybody."
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Clinton: Yeah.
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Adam: And so this has been something that, you know, if you're in the
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know, like it- it's been a thing for like a while apparently,
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which is, which is pretty cool.
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But it does, it is nice to see Sam get some shine.
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Clinton: I wanna…
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And some of the little interstitials between, the s- the slow
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motion gorgeous shots that cause James, hello James, you're,
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you're the man by the way, hello.
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Got to hang out with him at the opener last year.
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He's a really cool dude.
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but the Jake Peetz interstitial about kinda that Goldilock zone of
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Sam throwing the football, I thought was like an interesting tidbit where
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they go into a little bit of the data, but then Jake is kinda like, "Yeah,
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you want this, this velocity, but you don't want it to be, you know,
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incredibly over-powering so it's right in that sweet spot to catch footballs."
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And then Adam, they just show catch after catch after…
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It doesn't matter whether it's Kupp or JSN or Arroyo or Horton, it, it
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doesn't really matter, but boy oh boy was there lots of, pinpoint passing
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from Sam really throughout the episode, and they really did harp on that.
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And there was one, one note later I took where Macdonald, I think he
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says something about his timing.
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He's like, "Man, compared to last year," he's like, "his
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timing is so just on point."
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I have a thought about that, but first to you.
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Anything pop out to you about, about Macdonald glowing about Sam's timing?
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Adam: I don't know if it's necessarily about the timing, but I think the
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timing can point to kind of my thought process from that, is this matches
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up with the reports that you've been hearing from training camp over the
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last week or so, where the offense has been giving the defense a, a
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good bit of the business- Mm-hmm.
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Yeah … you know, throughout training camp.
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And, you know, timing is a big part of that and being on point.
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You've heard, you heard Mike talk about the five starting offensive linemen
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in his last presser, and just how well they've been performing and what that
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means in, how much easier that makes Fleury's job at any given point.
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So it, it is interesting to watch that the offense, under a new coordinator- Right
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… seems to be clicking early against the best defense in football in training camp.
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And if there's anything positive to take away from training camp hype
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or, you know, the, the, the hate that comes out of training camp
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sometimes, some guy's underperforming or whatever, like this feels real,
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the idea that at this point anyways, the offense is really clicking well.
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Clinton: You hit it on the head, and that was what I had circled
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when they kept talking about Sam.
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And yeah, there was the, the little section where they showed JSN having
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that discussion in the room, and it was, you know, maybe a little bit
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about, hey, it's a new offense, we got some new language on the board.
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And alm- almost JSN being like, "Why do we need all this new language?
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It's the same thing," you know?
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Yeah.
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which is also a breadcrumb that it's, in his eyes, it's the same thing, but
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we're a couple of episodes in now, and there's been a smidgen of Brian Fleury.
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And I don't think it's 'cause Brian Fleury's boring or, you know,
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hard to listen to, I think it's 'cause there's not a story there.
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You know, like- Yeah … there's not, there's not a story to dig up there,
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which you were just alluding to.
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And I think that's a big freaking story in and of itself is like,
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dude, we have a brand new OC.
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Yes, it's a similar system, but it's not the same thing.
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And, and if the offense is looking this good, and I'm not trying to get hyperbolic
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about it or get overexcited, although I do like to get excited, it just lends itself
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that it's, it's looking very positive for sure that we'll be able to pick up where
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we were towards the end of last year.
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I'll say all that with the caveat of, Adam, if, this is, this is
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basically without pads or with pads where you really can't rush the passer,
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if we could run the damn football.
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And I don't know that yet.
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I don't know that yet.
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Adam: No.
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And I'm not sure that we're gonna know that answer until, or begin to
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know that answer till about week four.
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Clinton: Yeah, that's fair.
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Adam: I, I, I really don't know that you can be super declarative
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about anything till about week seven or eight for the most part.
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but- Anyways, the transition from Flurry, you know, Kubiak to Flurry
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seems to be one that has been seamless.
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I think their personalities are similar-ish from the
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little bit I've heard.
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Flurwy Taki's a little bit more verbose than, than Kubiak, but,
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you know, a pretty, pretty stoic guys, I, I would say.
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And look, I relate with JSN when it comes to the, it's all on the board,
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and he's like, "Yeah, I, I, I went up and I smashed the guy," you know?
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Yeah.
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Or whatever it was, like yeah, you, you're supposed to go
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Clinton: block, right?
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He was, he goes, something happened, he's like, "Then I do the safety
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thing," and he's like, "I did it."
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He's like- Yeah, he's
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Adam: like, "I did the thing.
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It's good."
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Yeah.
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"I don't give a [bleep] if it's called this or that or whatever.
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Why is this on the board?"
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Like, I, I think one of the things that frustrates me the most as a fan, about
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football and trying to understand football more each and every year is that the
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terminology is so different from team to team, player to player, like season- Yeah
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to season, and everybody uses those new terms as if, well, yeah, that's
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what it's always been called.
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What's your problem?
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And it's like- Right.
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Right … I, it drives me nuts, so I'm with JSN on this one,
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even if it, that was…
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The funny part is, is that was the, kind of the little moment in
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the show where they were trying to show, you know, coach saying, "Ah,
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he's the easiest superstar ever."
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Right.
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Right.
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And they'd be like, "Oh, and here's the friction."
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Correct.
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Right.
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And the friction is him, like, joking around about how he's tired of all
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the, the new terms, like oh boy.
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It, it does really illustrate just how, low-maintenance JSN is, and
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Clinton: it's great.
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Yeah.
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That, that's exactly.
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I, I wrote down, my notes were no drama, high growth JSN, you know?
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And, and then I wrote, hey, maybe more complexity in the offense w- w- during
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that conversation, but then throughout the whole show and two episodes, it's
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like, well, if there was a lot of friction there, they'd be featuring the
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OC, which they, they're not, you know?
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Right.
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So it's, it's- At least
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Adam: not yet.
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Yeah.
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Clinton: Yeah, exactly.
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At least not yet.
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All right.
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We wanna hear in the thread right now what was your favorite moment,
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your most surprising moment.
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Put those in the live thread.
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We'll talk about them.
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Adam, there was a lot to go.
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I've kinda led out so far with some of my favorite moments- Yeah … or at
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least ones that were on top of my mind.
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What were some of your favorite moments, biggest surprise, or the thing that
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you're really burning to talk about?
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Adam: Well, one of the first things that they started with at the very beginning of
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the episode, then they came back to it and showed the full interaction, is Mad Mike.
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Yes, dude.
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I love Mad Mike.
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Clinton: That, that opening.
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Are you kidding me?
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Adam: Oh my goodness, like, that was so entertaining- Yes … on so many levels.
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Like, when he's like, "You can bitch about it all you want.
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I don't care.
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Whatever.
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Turns out, I run the [bleep] practice."
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Clinton: Right.
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Right.
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Adam: Like, that was so great because- The, the side of Mike that
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we get, and that's the side he's supposed to present to- Correct
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you know, as the head coach.
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You know, mild-mannered, you know, all that stuff, right?
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But to see him tear into, you know, Derick Hall that way-
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Yeah … that was really fun.
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also, Derick Hall, stay away from the quarterback.
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Stay a- just stay away from the quarterback, please.
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Clinton: Right, right.
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Yeah.
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And I love the Adam Dirty, piece later where he's like, "Hey," you know, right?
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He's like, "Yep, gotcha, Mike."
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He's like, "And that's what makes him special."
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So like, you know, just that other, the balance of that side, right?
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The sober yin to the ridge of yang.
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And with all that, to go put it back on Macdonald.
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Also that idea of the, man, other, the probably 27 other teams being like, "I
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c- I can't believe this is what they had up, up there," the coaching, the culture.
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And that was the cold open that I was just like, "Oh my God."
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Like kudos to HBO.
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They know what they're doing.
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They've done it for a long time now, Adam.
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They know, they know drama.
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But boy, did they really pick a, a beautiful moment to just…
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Y- we do not get Coach Mike like that, but because…
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Wait, Adam, did the Rams win the Super Bowl?
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'Cause I keep hearing about the Rams because who won-
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Hmm … the Super Bowl last year?
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Adam: Oh, that'd been us.
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Who- oh- Adam … when you said, "Have the Rams won the
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Super Bowl," I was just checking.
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Oh, not yet.
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Clinton: No, no.
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Okay.
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Right.
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Adam: No.
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Clinton: Not yet either.
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No.
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So winners, winners get sprinkles.
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We got, we get hard knocks, and we get Coach Mike like that, and it's
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just really cool to see because- Yeah
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last episode we saw the honest conversation where he had to go check was
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it, was it Bra- r- Brady Russell, right?
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Yeah.
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Where Russell was getting into it with Derick Hall.
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So Derick Hall is kind of in the mix of all, quite a bit of,
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the drama so far, right?
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And again- Yeah … HBO has the cameras and they have the editors.
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They'll do what they want with that.
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so but we saw Coach Mike, a different side of Coach Mike,
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having a very quick and, and could be difficult for some people conversation,
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but called it out, nip it in the bud.
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Let's hug it out.
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We love each other.
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This one was like he, he, he comes back and explains it and says, "Look,
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I gave him kind of a warning, you know, a little bit more politely- Mm-hmm
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the first time, and it didn't seem to stick, so I, I had to go there."
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very interesting and just the intensity was…
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It was r- it was, it's refreshing because it wasn't
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like crass for the sake of crass.
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It was like, no, no, no.
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No.
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He had to get a point across about quarterbacks in the NFL,
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and I think he did it effectively.
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Adam: Yeah, you really did.
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And one of the things I've been enjoying about Hard Knocks as a
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whole is just, look, the, these are grown-ass men talking to grown-ass men.
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And, like, y- just- Yeah … direct, honest, you know, at it.
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If there's a few cuss words dropped in there, like, yes, thank God.
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Like, can we all just talk to each other like that every day?
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Like, I, I mean, it'd probably be a little filthier in terms of the language,
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but you know, we'd probably get to the bottom of things a lot quicker.
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I do really enjoy that.
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and it also shows Mike's fairness a little bit too- Yeah … in that scene,
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just the idea of like, "Yeah, I gave him a warning, and, they didn't take it.
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And then, all right, that's fine, but you ain't walking all over me, and
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you're not walking all over my practice, and you're not hurting my quarterback.
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I don't care if we just paid you.
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I don't care how tall your truck is.
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Get your ass- … and sit on the sideline."
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And I love it.
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Clinton: Did you catch, so Mike Macdonald, when they revisit- revisited it a
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little bit later, he dropped a really great, a really great homage line.
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Did you happen to hear what he dropped and, and who he was referencing?
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Adam: Mm-mm.
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Clinton: When he was talking about the Derick Hall thing.
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So he c- he ends up calling Derick Hall later.
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He doesn't say it exactly this way, but he basically calls him a, a, a
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habitual line stepper- Yeah … which is directly from the Chappelle's Show.
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So like it's- Oh, is it?
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Okay … it's, it's, Chappelle was talking about, what is it, the
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Charlie Murphy episode when he was talking about- Mm-hmm … Rick James.
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And he, and it's, it's like, you know, "Rick James is a
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habitual line stepper," right?
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So kinda cool because I picked it up and I'm like, "Oh my gosh."
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The, an- one more reason to, to like Mike Macdonald.
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Yeah.
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He recognizes that the Chappelle's Show is on the podium for best,
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best comedies I think ever created.
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All right.
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So we talked Macdonald, the cold open, we talked Derick Hall.
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What else struck you, dude?
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Adam: just on a small scale, I'll slip this one in here real quick.
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All you folks out there in Spokane, Ernest Jones has your back.
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Yeah.
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yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like, whoever started that fire, we're gonna kick their ass.
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Like, I was like, "Ooh, okay."
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Clinton: Well, I think they- Like- … I think they found the dude who started
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the fire unfortunately, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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So yeah.
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Adam: Yeah, Ernest Jones will be looking for him too, so, look out, you
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know, tough break for that guy.
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Like- Yeah … I, I don't want Ernest Jones hunting me- No … that's for sure.
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Clinton: No,
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Adam: no.
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But I, I think that's pretty cool, and it kinda ties into one of the bigger things
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right at the end of the episode, and it's actually- Yes … been in the first
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two total, is Mike's, like, mindfulness of, "Hey, go take care of the 12s."
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Clinton: Yeah,
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Adam: absolutely.
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"Go take care of the 12s."
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Like, he, he says that a lot and, like, keeping all of us in mind, knowing
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that, like, hey, you're, you're the guys that make all this possible by
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your interest and your hard-earned money and all of that, right?
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And- Obviously … your love and the way that you guys travel as a fan
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base and support us and all that.
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And just making sure that the, the- whole team takes the time
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to go out and appreciate the fans the way that we appreciate them.
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And I wonder, you talked a couple times now of the, you know, 27
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other teams going like, "Really?"
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Like- Yeah … "We don't do that here."
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Like, I feel like that's one of those.
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Clinton: I absolut- well, I think that's probably not the
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culture in, in every place.
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I think that's an element for, like absolutely for sure, like one
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of the elements of just like that go into the cauldron of why this
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is a better place to play and live.
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And we could talk about Leo, 'cause that was also just, "Hey, let's show
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more great- greatness of why you wanna move to the PNW and get out, get out
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of, you know, the East Coast where I've lived my entire life," right?
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but it, it is all wrapped into culture.
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Even when he's talking to the Spurs head coach- Yeah … he's talking
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about, he's talking about culture.
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But the other moment that came out for me that was a pure culture moment was,
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actually a couple more, but one in, one very specifically early on too, is
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you get the fight between, between Mason Richman and Riley Mills, right?
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And Riley gets a little- Yeah … heated.
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He's all locked up.
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Mason's doing a nice job, by the way.
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It's cool to talk about the, the moments in this thing, but I also
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like seeing Mason Richman locking up a big dude like Riley Mills.
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Like, that was a great, great session, great 101, won it clearly.
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Love seeing that because can't have enough good offensive linemen, and
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we know Riley Mills is already good.
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So, so Riley Mills takes that kind of swing, but then they purposely show
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the entire room re-watching it, Adam.
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Mm-hmm.
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And they go kind of bananas when they see the swing to the helmet.
18:17
But then, they could have left it there or berated a player in front
18:21
of, you know, 100 different people.
18:22
But no, Adam, what did they do as a team to, to settle it?
18:27
Adam: they blew out rotator cuffs, or at least that's what it would do to me.
18:30
they, picking up sledges and, one in each hand and
18:34
having to hold it out, you know, a- and see who drops it first.
18:37
And, I think, so that's a cool way to go about it- Yeah … number one, in
18:42
terms of, "Hey, let's settle this.
18:44
here's another form of competition," right?
18:47
Yep.
18:47
I think the other cool thing about it is, just how much the team was into it.
18:52
Clinton: Yes.
18:53
Adam: 100%.
18:53
Like, they were into it.
18:55
So, like they found something that, you know, like touched for the team, you know?
18:59
It was something that connected, and that was really cool.
19:02
the other thing about it is Riley Mills is a stone cold dude, man.
19:07
Dude.
19:07
Like the whole time he's doing that, he's just kind of looking
19:09
over like- He's smiling.
19:10
Clinton: He's smirking, right?
19:11
I mean, we sat next to him.
19:12
"I can do this all
19:13
Adam: day."
19:13
Yeah.
19:13
Clinton: We were, yeah, we were, we were at the casino with him, for the draft
19:17
party and, you know, we have an interview with him on, on our YouTube channel.
19:20
Go check that out.
19:21
Yeah.
19:21
And great dude, big guy- And y- the moment that competition was
19:27
starting, I was like, "Well, I bet Mason Richman's a strong dude."
19:31
I was like, "But I don't think Riley Mills loses this i- in a, in 10 out of 10 times.
19:35
I just…
19:35
100 out of 100 times, or 99 out of 100."
19:38
I was like, "I just don't think so," because-
19:40
Adam: Yeah
19:40
Clinton: he just has that big boy strength, you know?
19:44
He has that- Yeah … u- that unk strength, but he's a young man.
19:47
So I'm really excited to see that, progress into the year.
19:51
But it was kinda nice too because, again, took a negative, turned into a huge net
19:55
team positive, and Riley Mills comes out the hero for the room, although he
20:00
was kind of the villain on the field.
20:01
But again, their form of hugging it out, which I thought was really, really cool.
20:05
So, that was…
20:06
It was…
20:06
Yeah, he definitely was smirking, looking right the entire time.
20:09
Yes, he's checking to see, you know, where, how Mason's
20:13
doing, but he was smiling.
20:15
Yeah.
20:16
A little diabolical, dude.
20:17
It
20:17
Adam: was cold, man.
20:18
Clinton: Yeah.
20:18
It was
20:18
Adam: cold.
20:19
Clinton: Yeah.
20:19
Yeah, yeah
20:20
… Adam: so Marlon here says, "Now I know the shadow boxing thing," and I
20:23
did wanna kinda- Great, yes … touch on that 'cause, I'm still not
20:26
sure I completely understand it.
20:28
so whichever way they move their hand, if the dude looks the same
20:31
way they move their hand- Right, it's, it's just- … then game over?
20:34
Clinton: Yes, I get, I get it now too.
20:35
well, at least I'm getting it now too.
20:37
Last week I think I did call it stupid, so, I, I reserve
20:41
the right to get better myself.
20:43
And- But now people can get better.
20:46
and yeah, that, but that was it exactly.
20:49
You wanna get them moving in the direction you're pointing.
20:52
And so if they move any- Yeah
20:53
other way, they're kind of free I think.
20:54
I don't think you gotta be exactly opposite.
20:56
Right.
20:57
You just can't be going their direction, and it's gotta be
20:58
three in, in suc- succession-
21:00
Adam: All right
21:01
… Clinton: to win the round.
21:01
So, but again-
21:03
Adam: So, so this increased your opinion of it?
21:06
Clinton: Well, it, it increased the m- the importance of the team who gets around it.
21:11
Like as a culture- Right.
21:12
Okay … they like it, and that's what they do, and maybe it's a reflex thing.
21:15
And I like the idea where they said, "Well, you know, we got running backs
21:18
going against defensive back coaches," like when they ta- well, not the
21:21
exact- Yeah … example they gave, but I'm all about that kinda stuff.
21:25
I'm all about, like Mike Macdonald last year was like, "Hey, pair up
21:29
with somebody and go take every d- every week go take a walk with them,
21:32
and go learn about them as a human."
21:34
Yeah.
21:35
With the, with the, with the forethought that if you learn about
21:38
somebody as a human, you're just gonna care more deeply about them, and- Yeah
21:42
that means a lot when you're, when you're going i- into hard stuff
21:47
with somebody on a day-to-day basis.
21:49
To me, it's just an extension of, of that, goodness.
21:54
So in that regard, yes.
21:57
Adam: Yeah.
21:57
Yeah, I mean, if it does, you know, bring the type of bonding
22:00
that it seems to, then great.
22:02
I thought it was more like fake fighting.
22:05
so this, this looks like some silly TikTok dance to me.
22:10
And so I lost respect a little bit for it, but you know, hey, if it's good for the…
22:13
It's good for the team and good for the guys and they enjoy
22:15
it, then, all the better.
22:17
you know, it's interesting 'cause, you know, we're going through some
22:20
of the topics here, Clayton- Yeah
22:22
and, I, all of a sudden we've got a few things popping up here from, Mike-
22:29
Clinton: Yep, we got Michael Knight.
22:31
I'm not sure if Adam froze or if it's me, but- Oh … for, for me, Adam
22:35
froze there for a second, and Michael Knight's saying that the biggest
22:38
star so far was Derick Hall's truck, and I know, Adam, you got takes on that.
22:41
Adam: Yeah.
22:42
So, That's a truck a person could own.
22:47
it's a pavement princess.
22:50
Clinton: - I think it's sweet.
22:50
I, for the record- N- no … I think that truck is sweet.
22:53
Adam: No.
22:54
No.
22:54
Th- that's the type of truck that gets you laughed out of the state of Montana.
22:58
Like, what is that thing?
23:00
It's a little Montana.
23:01
Like, I don't understand at all.
23:01
Like, and then not only that, but then they keep saying he built it.
23:04
He did not build the freaking truck.
23:06
The truck was built in Detroit.
23:08
He assembled parts onto the truck.
23:10
If you wanna build a car, do something like my dad did when he was a
23:13
teenager, pull a Model T out of the riverbank and build a [bleep] car.
23:17
That's a, you assembled a, a truck.
23:20
It's like all the Jeep guys who, like, have their Wranglers and
23:23
they're like, "Ooh, I built my Jeep."
23:25
The [bleep] you did.
23:26
You went and bought the fricking Jeep and then bolted some crap on.
23:29
Whoop-de-fricking-doo.
23:31
Thirdly, about the pavement princess truck, and I just, I
23:33
can't stand this thing, all right?
23:35
Like, I literally can't.
23:36
look, Derick Hall, you ever wanna go in the woods?
23:38
Let's go take a drive in the woods and we'll see who goes further, because
23:41
I promise you, I will run [bleep] circles around you in my Jeep Cherokee.
23:45
What a joke of a thing.
23:47
I can't stand it.
23:48
It's all glitz and glamour.
23:49
It doesn't do one thing well.
23:52
It- I don't like it
23:53
… Clinton: it's not meant to do anything well except for
23:56
look fricking awesome, Adam.
23:58
And if you don't think it does- It's shiny … and if you don't think it
23:59
does, that's, that's your prerogative.
24:01
Adam: Yeah.
24:02
Clinton: However, for a dude that has wanted a, a pickup truck since,
24:05
you know, squinting and watching Marty McFly, what was that, a Toyota, like, RJ?
24:09
It,
24:10
Adam: yeah, it w- it was the first, Toyota pickup.
24:13
Like, yeah.
24:13
It was right before the Tacoma.
24:14
Clinton: Yeah, exactly.
24:15
So ever since seeing that and wanting a pickup, and I still haven't had one, I'm
24:19
48 years old, what am I doing already?
24:21
that truck is fricking awesome.
24:23
So we're, we're gonna have to, you know, disagree with each other on that one.
24:27
He's not gonna- I
24:27
Adam: might be, I
24:28
Clinton: might be in the
24:28
Adam: minority on this
24:29
Clinton: one … he's not gonna take it into the woods.
24:30
That's not where it's going.
24:31
He's picking- Then why, then why
24:32
Adam: own a goddamn truck?
24:34
Clinton: Because it's gorgeous.
24:34
Like, is he gonna put
24:35
Adam: some plywood in the
24:35
Clinton: back?
24:36
Because you can.
24:37
Because America, baby.
24:38
He's gonna get a 24 ounce- All right … vanilla latte, I think that's what he
24:41
ordered from that nice lady at that little stand there- Sounded delicious.
24:44
Yeah … it was, it did sound really good, actually.
24:46
And that's what he's gonna do with that truck and drive
24:48
around Seattle with his mods.
24:50
Now, I do wanna say- Yeah … if you don't like the, if you don't like the truck,
24:53
what do you think about his DH1 Percent?
24:56
I kinda like that as a logo.
24:57
That's pretty dope.
24:58
Pretty good, right?
24:59
Adam: That's really good.
24:59
Right?
25:00
That's well done.
25:00
And look, I do give him a lot of credit for actually going out there
25:04
and turning some wrenches on the thing.
25:05
Like, I, I give him a ton of credit for that.
25:07
Yeah.
25:07
Like, instead of just being like, "Make me one of these."
25:10
And, yeah.
25:12
Clinton: I like, I like that HBO, so kudos again to the editors
25:16
and then the, the show makers there for making sure they talked about
25:21
Derick Hall's past and, you know- Yeah
25:22
being a preemie of, like, whatever it was, b- born so, so pre-born and getting
25:27
a chance to, to live a, you know, really at, at that level, getting the chance, and
25:32
then making the life that he has of it.
25:34
And hey, if he's got a DH1 Percent and that, he's got, and he gives back for,
25:39
for that cause- And it's on HBO.
25:41
I'm just like, "Cool."
25:42
That, that's all…
25:43
Those are good, good, cool things.
25:45
And the logo and the whole emblem, I thought it was all well done.
25:48
So, and he had it on the, he had it on the hubcaps- Yeah … so it
25:50
was, like, on the wheels, I guess.
25:51
Adam: Mm-hmm.
25:52
Clinton: So I was, at least I was pretty impressed with that stuff.
25:54
I, I, like, I'm a marketing guy, so you're gonna get me with that
25:57
kind of stuff all the time, Adam.
25:59
Adam: Oh, yeah, man.
26:00
And there wa- there was plenty of marketing things, in this show,
26:03
Clinton- Yeah … including the M.O.B.
26:04
is good.
26:05
Clinton: All the time.
26:07
Adam: All the time, Clinton.
26:08
Clinton: The M.O.B.
26:09
is good.
26:10
That's
26:10
Adam: right.
26:10
Clinton: Hey, we did not yet…
26:12
This was a pretty big storyline.
26:14
They ended the episode with it.
26:17
It was kind of about two-thirds of the way through, and I was like,
26:21
"I know it's hard knocks, and I know this is why people tune in."
26:24
I also was like, "I can't believe they're actually discussing
26:28
this, and at the way they are."
26:31
basically, "Hey, is, is Terrion Arnold getting
26:33
signed by us by tomorrow or so?
26:36
Because it sure seems that we're quite interested in
26:40
bringing that man into Seattle."
26:42
Adam: Yeah, it does.
26:44
it- I thank, I, all right.
26:47
If you, I'm thinking about this and why would you show that on Hard Knocks
26:51
and allow that to go out and, you know, kind of show the way the sausage is
26:55
made from the player personnel side.
26:58
And I think for somebody like Terrion Arnold, who has a
27:01
lot of serious charges, but-
27:03
Clinton: Yeah
27:04
… Adam: also, too, like in terms of serious charges are some of the
27:06
more understandable ones I've, heard, like to this point.
27:11
Clinton: Doesn't mean, doesn't mean you can do it.
27:12
It just, it- Exactly.
27:13
Adam: I'm not
27:13
Clinton: saying it was
27:14
Adam: the right choice
27:14
Clinton: if
27:14
Adam: he, if he,
27:15
Clinton: if he did it- If he did do it … and, and we do live in this, an innocent
27:17
till proven guilty society, so let's rem- That's right … let's remember that.
27:20
Adam: That's
27:21
Clinton: right.
27:21
If he did them kidnapping and such, not great.
27:24
You, it turns out you can't just kidnap people if you think they stole from you.
27:27
but- Right.
27:29
Adam: What, what I will say is I do think that you release it in Hard
27:33
Knocks this way so that it softens the blow with the fan base, because it
27:39
shows them taking the time and really considering it and, and talking about,
27:43
you know, "Hey, look, we do know what this looks like," and all of that.
27:48
So, really interesting.
27:50
Yeah.
27:51
And I, but I do think it helps.
27:52
I think it was good for PR if they do sign him by letting
27:56
it go out on Hard Knocks like
27:57
Clinton: that.
27:57
Well, it's, it, we got, we even got Whistle Jacket, who is Lisa, saying,
28:00
"I'm so conflicted about Terrion Arnold."
28:02
I hear you, and we'll see.
28:05
I, there's a, there's a high level of trust with the organization that
28:09
they try, they really try to bring in what seems to be good people.
28:13
And we haven't talked about Leo yet.
28:14
Yeah.
28:14
Let's talk about Leo in a second.
28:16
but they really do seem to try to bring in high character people.
28:21
So they've earned trust in my book at least, that it's like if they make a
28:25
decision that, that he's, he is high character, and either it's a really
28:31
bad episode and he's gonna somehow not, you know, not face, like, like
28:36
criminal consequences, or he just didn't do it, which again, may- maybe,
28:40
may- whatever the story is, I have zero idea, so I'm not gonna comment on it.
28:43
Mm-hmm.
28:44
But if they make that decision, I don't know, it's kind of like trusting
28:47
John with the draft right now.
28:48
Like, what, what am I g- what am I gonna do?
28:50
You know?
28:50
It's like I think, I think I would trust that they're, they're bringing
28:53
in a good, a good person, hopefully.
28:56
Now, I think it was interesting because you say what you just
29:00
said about, hey, maybe softening it for the fan base, maybe.
29:03
but it was like they did choose something from Schneider when he's
29:08
talking, I for- I forget who was in the room with him at the time.
29:10
But- Schneider was kinda talking about, well, how do we even position this?
29:15
Like, is there, is there even an example we can go back to?
29:19
You know, so I, it, it, to me it was kind of like it seemed like
29:22
they were showing how they wanna politic it a little bit potentially.
29:25
And I'm not even say- I'm not even putting that in a bad shadow,
29:28
'cause that's the reality of, of the sensitivity around this.
29:31
But I, I, I don't know.
29:32
I think it could be a little bit of a, a backlash to be like, "I can't
29:36
believe you guys are contemplating this guy," and, and, and kind
29:39
of thinking about manipulating how are you gonna present this.
29:42
Yeah.
29:43
I think it could be interpreted that way if you want it, it to be.
29:46
Adam: Sure.
29:46
it's interesting to see the mixed reactions in the
29:50
comments as well, you know?
29:51
Like Marlon, "Low risk, good reward."
29:53
Clinton: Yep.
29:53
Adam: You know, Dogzilla's like, "Nah, he, he did it."
29:55
It's like, okay, maybe.
29:56
the, you know, Charlie the, the unicorn, the, you know, locker room risk.
30:00
Amy's saying that she just, you know, completely trusts the
30:03
process with John, and I get that.
30:05
I agree with all of you at the same time.
30:09
It…
30:10
The, the thing about what happened with Terrion Arnold that night and
30:14
the, the charges that came from it, it, there's three way, there's
30:18
three categories of things- Mm-hmm
30:20
in this world that you know are ha- when you feel like you know something.
30:24
Things you believe, things you think you know, and then things you actually know.
30:29
Mm-hmm.
30:29
And this is in, everything about this so far is in the things I believe.
30:34
Like the lowest category of those things, so very much a hard tell
30:38
and not knowing sort of thing.
30:40
And, you know, Milroe
30:45
Clinton: did vouch for him.
30:45
Right.
30:45
Like, there's that, so.
30:45
Well, he vouched for him as, as a person, as a character, right?
30:47
As the point.
30:47
And also-
30:48
Adam: Yeah
30:48
… Clinton: Ni- Nick Saban, he, Nick Saban r- literally wrote a character
30:52
letter to the courts, in, after the whole incident happened, just
30:56
said, "This is a very good human."
30:59
Didn't, you know, not commenting on what may or may not have
31:01
happened, just as a character witness of this is a good person.
31:05
And Nick Saban does not have to go out of his way to do that.
31:08
And then it was interesting- Yeah, he doesn't have to
31:09
Adam: do anything
31:10
Clinton: Not, exactly.
31:11
Except for like, like whatever those other, the VRBO
31:13
commercials he does, right?
31:14
Yeah,
31:14
Adam: just make up crazy rules for his VRBO.
31:16
That's it.
31:16
Clinton: That's all Nick's doing.
31:16
That's it.
31:17
Yeah.
31:17
Just, make some, make some more money, dude.
31:18
Keep ma- keep getting them checks, Nick.
31:20
But it was interesting to hear them specifically, you know, bring up
31:24
the Milroe piece and if you, the quote I wrote down, which I gotta
31:28
tell you, kinda got me excited.
31:30
He, he said, "He's just like Spoon."
31:33
Adam: Yeah.
31:34
Clinton: you know, so from a football player standpoint and a
31:38
personality standpoint, I'm going to have to suspend the piece of the
31:43
criminality, potential criminality, 'cause I don't know about it.
31:46
Right.
31:47
But from a football standpoint, inside the lines, which is where we watch football-
31:51
Adam: Mm-hmm
31:51
Clinton: I want more players like Spoon.
31:53
So I kinda like that c- that quote, Adam.
31:55
Adam: Yeah.
31:56
And it's not a domestic violence situation either.
31:58
Clinton: No.
31:59
No, it's not.
31:59
All
31:59
Adam: right, so, you know,
32:00
Clinton: some of the things- It's not good, though.
32:01
W- what's, what he's, what he's charged with is se- is legitima- it's not good.
32:04
All right, so let's-
32:04
Adam: I can't say anything ain't good.
32:06
Clinton: Dude, it's kidnapping.
32:07
I mean, he's charged with kidnapping.
32:08
Like, that is bad.
32:10
Bad, bad, bad.
32:10
Kid-
32:11
Adam: kids nap all the time.
32:12
I don't understand what the problem is.
32:14
Like, I really don't.
32:15
But hey-
32:15
Clinton: Look, like, he's charged with something- … like you can't do it
32:16
here- … very, very serious … I guess.
32:17
I don't know.
32:17
Yeah But I can't imagine NFL teams are, are looking at this guy if…
32:22
Who was the guy, man?
32:23
I'm, I'm not trying to piss on someone's grave.
32:25
He's not dead.
32:26
But the Raiders guy who went to jail.
32:28
He, you know- Oh,
32:29
Adam: Henry Ruggs?
32:29
Clinton: Yeah, Henry.
32:30
This, you know, so no one's, you know…
32:32
it was obvious and, and there he goes.
32:35
He goes to jail, and then, dude, hope the guy has some sort of a life.
32:38
It sucks that he threw it away.
32:39
but clearly it's not that situation, you know?
32:43
O- otherwise, otherwise- Yeah … he wouldn't be visiting NFL teams at
32:46
this par- this point of his career.
32:47
Oh.
32:48
Adam: I mean, if they're gonna give Deshaun Watson a big old trade and a
32:51
giant guaranteed contract, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter how guilty you
32:55
are, until you're convicted, man, the, the NFL will give talented guys shots.
33:01
Clinton: Remember when I mentioned 27 other teams would be
33:03
jealous of what they're seeing?
33:04
The Browns, Adam, are at the very, very…
33:07
They have, let's put it this way- Yeah … the delta of jealousy is at the
33:10
highest it could be with- Yeah … the Cleveland Browns organization because
33:14
somehow, some way, Deshaun Watson- Deshaun
33:17
is still freaking there.
33:18
All right.
33:18
I think I've got, I've got one more thing.
33:21
I, I got
33:21
Adam: two more things.
33:21
Two more things.
33:22
Clinton: You got two more?
33:22
Okay.
33:23
Why don't you go with yours and we'll see if it's mine.
33:25
Adam: All right.
33:26
Well, the biggest one, like, we, we keep joking about the MOB is good, right?
33:29
And, like, the whole presentation.
33:31
Like, we haven't talked about-
33:32
Clinton: The whole time
33:32
… Adam: you know, that whole moment.
33:33
And what a cool thing by Mike to get the assistant, or position
33:37
coaches involved- Yeah … and let them have their spiel, right?
33:40
And how creative was that, number one?
33:42
It's great.
33:42
Like, it was great.
33:44
It was hilarious, you know?
33:45
Like, Mike in the robes, you know, and then he brought forth- Yes
33:48
you know, the whatever
33:49
Clinton: those- As Moses, right?
33:50
Adam: Yeah, exactly.
33:51
Clinton: Is that, that'd be Moses, yeah, with the tablets, yeah.
33:53
Adam: Yeah.
33:54
Yeah, exactly.
33:55
so it, it was well done.
33:57
It was super funny.
33:58
C- Cla- C- Classities or whatever- Yes, yes … he retitled that, was hilarious.
34:03
really cool.
34:04
I do have one major concern, though.
34:06
I think we might be boned for this year because we just committed
34:09
blasphemy, and I'm very worried.
34:12
Clinton: I, I, I know you very personally, and I know that you're very serious with
34:15
that, with that, with that, comment.
34:17
Very serious.
34:18
Yeah.
34:18
but it was, it was a lot of fun.
34:20
It was a ton of fun to watch.
34:21
And I love the idea, like you're bringing up, that Mike gives room for that-
34:27
Adam: You
34:27
Clinton: know, and, and I don't, and I don't get the sense that Mike, is like
34:31
proofreading slides before they go live.
34:33
Yeah.
34:34
I think it's more like, "Hey, you wanna do something?
34:37
I trust you, and if it falls flat in the room, well, then you're gonna
34:40
have to answer to that as a coach."
34:42
Yeah.
34:42
And if it hits, well, then maybe we got something, right?
34:45
So, okay.
34:47
So the last thing I wanted to bring up, and then if you got- Yeah … if, if
34:49
it's not yours, then, then please do.
34:51
the warrior in the garden aspect, all cool.
34:55
Sure.
34:55
Good stuff.
34:56
But, I love watching moment of zen Leo Williams.
35:00
And again, it's a, it's an advertisement for the PNW.
35:03
we get all that.
35:05
But I also…
35:07
We have Leo, who's coming up on…
35:09
who's gonna be coming up on his last year, so the, the prospects of extending him.
35:13
So hearing his wife talk about, you know, he contemplated retirement when he was
35:18
in the craziness of the East Coast in New York, and now just being in this, let's,
35:24
the environment he's in, the totality of the environment he now finds himself
35:29
in, the family finds themselves in.
35:31
To me, that doesn't point to somebody that is, like, burnt out and, like,
35:36
needs to retire versus someone who is still, like, energized and
35:40
wants to get the most out of it.
35:41
Now, I'm projecting.
35:42
I don't know these to be facts.
35:44
If we go out and win a chip again, he might be like, "Dude,
35:47
two in a row, like, great."
35:49
I got fish
35:50
Adam: to spear.
35:51
Clinton: Right, right.
35:52
You know?
35:52
Yeah.
35:52
And, and, and, you know, botany to go keep learning.
35:54
But he…
35:56
I don't get the sense that that dude is, like, at the
35:58
end of any sort of rope, Adam.
36:01
Adam: Yeah.
36:01
There's a peacefulness to, his life, his mentality, everything- Yeah … that
36:07
really does just jump off the screen.
36:10
And they did make it a point, you know, when they were talking with him and
36:12
his wife about their time in New York, and him saying that, you know, the…
36:17
And I had a hard time relating to this because he's like, "Oh, the hustle
36:19
and the bustle of New York, like that was burning out my nervous system."
36:21
I was like, "Yes.
36:22
Yes that."
36:23
Yeah.
36:23
Like I get that.
36:24
He's like, "But now I'm here in Seattle and like I- I'm totally chill and zen."
36:27
I'm like, dude, Seattle burns out my nervous system.
36:30
Like I, I get- Well, you know,
36:30
Clinton: you're, you're on a different level of zen than I think, a different
36:33
plane than Leo might be, right?
36:34
So.
36:34
Adam: Def- definitely not zen, but definitely- … a different level
36:37
of hermit, like that's for sure.
36:38
so, but it does seem that the vibe of the city, the vibe of the West Coast…
36:45
I mean, he's West Coast man, right?
36:46
Yeah.
36:47
Like- USC, right … through and through.
36:48
Yeah.
36:48
Like he just has that aura around him.
36:51
Pretty cool.
36:52
The other thing with him growing the plants that he grows, if you
36:54
haven't checked it out on his YouTube channel, it's impressive.
36:56
Clinton: Yeah, it's great.
36:57
Adam: so if Leo Williams does happen to hear this, which
37:00
he won't, but l- if he did-
37:01
Clinton: He will
37:01
… Adam: - He
37:02
Clinton: definitely will
37:02
… Adam: send help.
37:03
I need help.
37:04
Like we're, our gardening stuff is, is a struggle.
37:07
I, I need Leo Williams, I need him tomorrow.
37:09
Like I, 'cause we're, we're struggling.
37:11
Clinton: Well, the good news is he's clearly a fan.
37:13
He'll hear it.
37:14
We- we're putting up the bat signal or the, the botany signal.
37:16
He'll…
37:17
What would the botany signal look like?
37:18
Now it's gotta involve Leo- Yeah … but it also needs a plant.
37:21
I'm not gonna, you know,-
37:23
Adam: Yeah
37:23
… Clinton: we're not gonna fix that right now, but we'll put
37:25
that into put that out there if somebody wants to think about that.
37:27
It's a
37:27
Adam: tree silhouette.
37:28
You don't have to overthink this.
37:29
This
37:30
Clinton: is easy.
37:30
No, no.
37:30
Okay.
37:30
Okay.
37:31
Yeah, but I want a little bit of Leo in there too.
37:33
Like, can we get the Leo pump and it's a tree somehow?
37:36
Like could an evergreen also be this?
37:38
I think so.
37:39
Adam: Yeah.
37:40
Clinton: Right?
37:40
Yeah.
37:40
I think you're onto something.
37:40
'Cause it's forming- Yeah
37:42
this is forming the, the bottoms of the evergreen, yeah?
37:43
Adam: Derick Hall better look out.
37:44
Clinton's starting to workshop- Oh … a better logo for Leo here.
37:47
Oh, [bleep].
37:47
Yeah.
37:47
Clinton: I did it.
37:48
I did it.
37:48
Yeah.
37:48
Well, that was my last.
37:50
You said you had two.
37:51
Yeah.
37:51
Was that the one- Yeah … or you got one more?
37:52
Adam: One more, and this is the even worry stuff.
37:55
And-
37:55
Clinton: Oh, yes.
37:55
I forgot.
37:56
Yeah
37:56
… Adam: you know, we started out last episode, he's on a scooter, you know-
37:59
Mm-hmm … talking to Coach Mike.
38:01
Then the next time we see him in this episode, you know, he's
38:04
walking around on a cane, you know?
38:05
Little cane and boot.
38:06
Yeah.
38:07
Clinton: Little cane and boot.
38:07
Yep.
38:07
Yep.
38:07
Adam: Yeah.
38:07
He's pimp strutting with his cane- Beautiful
38:09
i- in the boot.
38:11
and then in the pool and walking around, and in the last shot
38:15
he's in a mini boot and no cane.
38:17
Clinton: Mm-hmm.
38:17
Adam: Like, so you're seeing this progression really quickly over
38:21
the course of a couple weeks, and I think that- You know, non-update
38:26
update, makes me feel better about where things are going for Nick.
38:29
Clinton: For sure.
38:30
So i- and that's, hey, if you're watching the show in a vacuum, correct.
38:34
Then we get the add-on layer that as of today he passes physical,
38:38
and now he can start- Ooh … Oh yeah, he passed his physical today.
38:41
He can begin practice.
38:42
You know how, you know how…
38:44
And they're still saying, hey, not a guarantee for week one, but, but the,
38:48
the entire time, the en- my understanding is the entire time from his surgery
38:53
on was, hey, if you do it now, you have a good shot to play week one.
38:58
So they did it with, with the, with the notion, but that's with a healthy
39:01
rehab and things going basically right.
39:03
So knock on all the woods, so far so good.
39:07
It's not a guarantee he'll be ready for the Patriots game, because we gotta
39:10
play on a Wednesday, Adam, because we won the Super Bowl, and they're giving
39:13
us the first home game this year, and it's a Wednesday because those stupid
39:17
Rams who didn't win the Super Bowl have gotta go all the way to Australia
39:20
to play a game on Thursday, which is actually Friday in, in Australia.
39:24
But we get to s- play a home game, Adam, on a Wednesday.
39:27
So we lose one extra day to get Evan Warrey ready.
39:30
I don't think that'll matter.
39:31
Hmm.
39:31
But he passes his physical today, and, you know, knowing him as a y- as a
39:37
young dude, athletes heal pretty quick.
39:40
And, you know, he's gonna give every single effort he possibly
39:42
can to be ready for the Patriots.
39:43
And you know what?
39:44
If he's not, and it's week two or it's week three I think it's okay,
39:49
'cause I think we go Patriots, Cardinals, then somebody else
39:54
that's not that great, I wanna say.
39:57
I'll, I'll look it up.
39:58
But, but yeah.
39:59
But so I'm glad it gave you some, the good feelings to see him
40:03
progressing even in one episode.
40:05
Adam: Yeah.
40:06
And so those were just kinda good vibes there, no doubt about it, and, you know,
40:11
a fun, a fun episode all the way around.
40:14
And it does make it easy to be a fan and proud of this football
40:18
team, you know- Yeah … beyond the championship and all of that.
40:21
yeah, pretty cool, man.
40:24
Cool stuff.
40:25
Clinton: It was a ton of fun.
40:26
Yeah, we, we do go Patriots week one, Cardinals week two- Yeah … Commanders,
40:30
the Tunsil-less Commanders, week three.
40:34
Adam: Yeah.
40:34
Clinton: So, hey, if even Mario joins us, back at any of
40:37
those games, I think we'll be A-OK.
40:40
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40:43
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40:46
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40:48
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40:56
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41:01
Adam, we're gonna have a big week this week.
41:03
I think we have Josh Height tomorrow, who was at the, at the scrimmage, so
41:07
he's gonna be on with us tomorrow night.
41:09
And then Saturday, Adam, we get real Seahawks football.
41:14
Seahawks versus Cowboys, week one of the preseason.
41:19
I'm excited for it.
41:20
Adam: I'm excited for it.
41:21
I wanted to know, did you wanna touch on, you know, some of the news from
41:24
around the division before we got off?
41:26
You had mentioned that today.
41:26
Clinton: Oh, sure.
41:27
We can…
41:27
Wait, let, let's fir- let's- Okay.
41:28
Well then,
41:29
Adam: like, yeah, let's do that then, 'cause,-
41:30
Clinton: Wait, let's, let's first address this.
41:31
We got…
41:31
We, let's- Yeah, yeah, yeah … we got Merc, MercBlue0.
41:33
Yeah.
41:34
"These guys are amateurs."
41:36
Hey.
41:36
Yeah.
41:36
Hey, Merc, you're right
41:39
Adam: Yeah, I mean, kinda right I mean- Semipro at the very least.
41:41
But if we- Yeah
41:41
really wanna talk about amateurs, let's talk about the Santa Clara Substations.
41:45
Clinton: Yeah.
41:46
Let's do that first.
41:47
Let's t- Yeah … let's talk about the Substation.
41:49
so look, the news today, if you didn't catch it yet, was that Bosa,
41:54
i- on his knee that he had surgery on, is not, he's now got tendonitis on
41:59
that knee, and now it's not, hey, day to day, or he'll be back in a week.
42:03
They're putting already Nick Bosa at week to week, Adam, which,
42:08
that ain't good early, dude.
42:11
Adam: No.
42:11
It, that's not the only one, right?
42:14
I mean, Mike Evans has been hurting and missing practice.
42:16
I saw a report today that Christian McCaffrey has
42:20
missed two practices in a row.
42:23
Yes.
42:23
Yeah.
42:23
And, you know, Mike Shanahan's face is still, like, you know, healing.
42:27
And so there's all of that as well.
42:29
and not only that, but the Bosa stuff, it's not just the
42:32
leg, it's the back apparently.
42:34
And so, like- Yeah … we, and you know, we all know the leg bone's
42:37
connected to the back bone and all
42:38
Clinton: that stuff.
42:38
Correct.
42:38
That's where I was going too.
42:39
But- I held it back … yeah … I was like, "He's still talking.
42:41
He's still talking.
42:41
Let the man talk."
42:42
Yeah.
42:42
Adam: Yeah.
42:42
so at the end of the day, you know, it doesn't look good for
42:47
a guy who's consistently injured, a team that's consistently injured,
42:50
and I think I saw the other day 20% of the roster didn't practice.
42:56
Like- It was like- You know
42:57
… Clinton: yeah, out of 90 there was like tw- 20 out of s- 90
42:59
something was down, right?
43:01
So it was something like that.
43:03
20 something percent was already dinged up in the, in the pre-season,
43:07
which is hefty, hefty, hefty.
43:09
it's just, I, I don't know what…
43:11
Look, the Substation, I know it's a joke, I know it's a running thing.
43:16
At some point, you know, they got Greg Cohen out there being
43:18
like, "At some point, should we actually just move this damn thing?"
43:22
Even if it's just, you know, just in their heads, Adam.
43:26
Adam: It's so hilarious.
43:27
Like, this is the hubris of the NFL, like, it, that just kinda pops out here.
43:31
They're like, "We'll just move the substation."
43:33
It's like- Move the substation … or, or I don't know, maybe, maybe move practice.
43:37
Like- Move
43:37
Clinton: the substation?
43:38
Yeah, let's move- You
43:39
Adam: know how hard that is to do?
43:40
Clinton: Let- Yeah … let's move, let's move, you know, all that
43:42
capital and critical infrastructure versus a 100-yard field with a
43:45
little bit of space around it.
43:47
Adam: Yeah.
43:47
Yeah.
43:48
I mean, I, 'cause I've heard people say, like, "Well, how come they haven't
43:51
done anything about the substation?
43:52
How come they haven't taken care of it?"
43:53
It's like, what are you talking about?
43:55
Like, that's the thing that steps down the voltage so all y'all have power out there.
43:58
Clinton: I would hope they just mean, you know, move the field elsewhere,
44:01
but by taking care of it, it's because, yeah, you're not moving-
44:03
Adam: Oh, no,
44:04
Clinton: people
44:04
Adam: are talking about it like, you know, you still need the practice
44:06
facility next to the, you know, the Seahawks', south stadium, Lumen South.
44:10
Clinton: Yeah.
44:10
Adam: Yeah, yeah.
44:10
but so the, the substation's the thing that has to go, you know?
44:14
Clinton: Oh, my goodness.
44:14
Well, people are dumb-dumbs.
44:15
Mem- remember, 50% of the people are, under average.
44:20
Adam: That's true.
44:20
but it's more like 80, but don't worry about it.
44:22
The math, little math there, don't make no never mind.
44:25
So- I mean, I probably one of them, but yeah
44:26
Clinton: yep, so that was, that was some of the news.
44:28
Back on our side, since we're covering news, we talked about Eden Verrett,
44:32
passing his, passing his physical.
44:34
Very unfortunately, Robbie Ouzts, our, our second year fullback, he goes on IR.
44:39
He's out for the entire year.
44:41
I just talked about this on the last episode with Brandan, and
44:44
we went through I was just going through just, just the, the size
44:49
and athleticism of, of him as…
44:51
You, I was- Yeah … I was on with you.
44:53
No, it was me and you.
44:53
Brandan was like on vacation.
44:54
Oh, it was all of us, wasn't it?
44:55
Yeah.
44:55
I forget.
44:56
Or, I don't know.
44:56
But we were talking about Robbie Ouzts- Our Tom … and we talk about, you
44:59
know, we talk about the, the potential replacements with Lampy, and of course
45:03
Brady Russell still being there.
45:04
Look, he's out for the year.
45:05
It's terrible.
45:06
We hope he gets healthy, A1, and could come back and play football.
45:11
I actually look at this as a pretty big loss in a offense that is,
45:14
that Fleury wants to run, because I think, I think Ouzts was a pretty
45:20
special talent athletically, and I don't think we have that type of
45:23
dude on the roster at this point.
45:24
I, I don't know how you feel.
45:26
Adam: I guess I look at it like this, is that last year Ouzts
45:31
was, when he was healthy, used about 25% of the offensive snaps.
45:36
So-
45:36
Clinton: Which was pretty…
45:37
W- which I remember, I remember investigating that live with you,
45:40
and it was like, "Oh, it's actually a little more than we thought it was."
45:44
Adam: Yeah, yeah.
45:44
I, I would've guessed it was like 10 or 15%, right?
45:47
Yeah.
45:47
But yeah, so 25%, that's a little bit more than it was.
45:50
Is it a blow?
45:51
Yes.
45:53
Is this like, having your star wide receiver get hurt and have legal issues?
45:59
Is this like having your left tackle, likely suspended for six games
46:03
throughout the season and- Hmm.
46:05
- … you know, that sort of thing?
46:07
No.
46:08
This is your fullback who…
46:10
Look, I don't know how much we were gonna run 22 or 21 or how much we still will.
46:14
Clinton: Right.
46:14
Adam: but I do feel like there's a universe that Fleury figures it out.
46:20
And also too, the demand for fullback isn't that- that high out there around
46:23
the league, so there's gotta be more dudes too, like out there that…
46:28
Because John does this all the time, like brings in some guy
46:31
and you're like, "Who and why?"
46:33
And you're like- Yeah … five weeks in, "I love this dude."
46:36
You know?
46:36
Clinton: Well, and on screen here by Charlie the Unicorn, he's saying,
46:40
you know, "Lampy is underrated."
46:42
And he says, "Watch him flourish."
46:43
Like, hey, Charlie, I hope so.
46:44
Yeah, there it is.
46:45
Like, I don't know.
46:46
I mean, look, we just picked him up, and I know he's got lineage
46:48
to Coach Hammock and all that.
46:51
He, he looks the part.
46:52
But really, he l- he's the same exact size as Br- literally almost
46:55
same exact size as Brady Russell.
46:57
So again, you're not replacing the body and the ath- athlete that
47:00
Ouzts was, but may- It's about the
47:02
Adam: size of the dog, Clinton
47:03
Clinton: that's exactly right.
47:04
Because Lamp- Yeah … Lampy is also a fullback by trade.
47:07
He was not a convert, so maybe he will be very good.
47:11
We'll see.
47:12
I just wonder- We talked last time about will this, you know,
47:16
will there be enough footballs to go around to the pass catchers?
47:18
Because there are a lot of mouths to feed.
47:21
I will say this, if there's less Ouzts and you have less, less 21,
47:26
and just purely less fullback on the field period, well, you know, you're
47:31
probably in situations where you're, you're throwing the ball a little
47:34
bit more than you were yesterday.
47:36
And I'm not sure how that makes you feel, but it could even be, you know,
47:41
pass- passes to, to running backs too.
47:43
But it's a little bit l- it's a little bit less of a power team with Ouzts out,
47:48
and we'll see how it gets replaced.
47:50
Look, he was out for chunks, he was out for chunks last year, and, you
47:55
know, late in the season and early this season, and we made, we made our way.
47:59
But I really liked what he looked like when he came back from injury, and
48:02
I was, I'm super sad that he won't get a chance to progress in year two.
48:06
Adam: Well, the real sad part about it is, is that I think for the NFL
48:10
as a whole, the hardest thing for me to watch as a fan is a guy to have
48:15
talent to do something, show the talent, and then the body says no.
48:20
and look man, when you start talking about next and out for
48:23
the year- Yeah … and this is the second go-round and all that, like, I
48:27
start thinking about Cam, like- Yeah
48:29
all of that stuff, right?
48:31
And it's, it's tough.
48:33
- Yeah … but we'll see how it goes for Ouzts.
48:35
Now, you did mention, like, no fullback, less power, right?
48:39
Clinton: Potentially.
48:39
Adam: Potentially, right … disagree.
48:40
Yeah, I, 'cause there's a lot of ways to get to power football.
48:43
Lot of ways.
48:44
I mean, you can be, you can have two tight ends out there, you know,
48:47
run a lot of more duo stuff and get it right down their throat.
48:50
Like, there's a lot of ways to get after that, and bring guys in
48:54
insert motion or whatever it is.
48:56
And you can still create a lot of that without a fullback.
49:00
And look, with Sean McVay inventing 13 personnel last year- … we can always
49:04
put three tight ends out there too.
49:05
So that's-
49:06
Clinton: I'm not sure.
49:06
I'm not sure we're allowed to.
49:07
I thought that was only for McVay because he invented it just last year,
49:11
'cause he's such- Right … a genius.
49:12
Yeah.
49:13
Adam, he's such a genius- Mm-hmm … that in the NFC Championship game, at the end
49:17
of the third quarter it was 31-27 Seattle.
49:20
Yeah.
49:20
And do you know what the score was at the end of the fourth quarter, Adam?
49:23
Adam: not that, i- 'cause that was a big old L.
49:27
Clinton: Right.
49:27
It w- well, it was 31-27 Seattle at the end of the third quarter.
49:30
Yeah.
49:30
End of the fourth quarter it was 31-27 Seattle.
49:34
They scored z- Yeah … believe it or not, the Rams, who already won
49:36
the Super Bowl this year, they scored zero points in the entire fourth
49:40
quarter last year- Yeah, that's right
49:42
with the, with the genius, the genius and the MVP, and they mustered zero
49:47
points in an entire quarter of football.
49:49
But that's- Mm-hmm … probably, probably not important
49:51
going into the year where we- Hey,
49:53
Adam: but his call sheet knows who's boss, because he screamed at that so close.
49:57
He was, yeah.
49:57
I mean, it had to make it be itself.
49:58
Clinton: Yeah, he definitely screamed at it the way that-
50:00
Yeah … Macdonald screamed at Hall at the beginning of this episode.
50:03
Adam, I think we did a great job here.
50:05
And if I were to say to you the MOB is good-
50:09
Adam: All the time, brother
50:10
Clinton: All the time.
50:10
The MOB is good.
50:12
And I think with that-
50:13
Adam: There's only one thing left to say
50:14
Clinton: Go Hawks.
50:15
Adam: Go Hawks.