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Teen girl charges with knife, shot dead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A police officer responds to an attempt at stabbing, gets
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Speaker 1: there and sees a woman swinging a knife wildly at
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Speaker 1: another person. That person falls to the ground, so the
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Speaker 1: cop shoots. He ended up shooting a sixteen year old
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Speaker 1: girl McKee Bryant on one. Where's your emergency their department
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Speaker 1: number letter one? Were these world girls over here trying
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Speaker 1: to fight us? On our grandma gigger? Now weapon weapon?
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Speaker 1: We need a police officer here now now on Wow.
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Speaker 1: You know you are hearing it just as the nine
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Speaker 1: one one dispatch hears it, just as police hear it.
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Speaker 1: You can hardly make sense of what is going on,
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Speaker 1: and that happens all the time in nine on one cases.
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Speaker 1: That's why nine one dispatch is trained so carefully, and
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Speaker 1: police go into a scene really not exactly knowing what
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Speaker 1: they're walking into. With me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense of how a teen girl is shot dead
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Speaker 1: after a frantic nine one one call that someone is
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Speaker 1: going to get stabbed. First of all, Ashley Wilcot, judge,
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, anchor court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the stars, joining us from
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Speaker 1: La star of a new Netflix program, Bling Empire, and
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Speaker 1: you can find doctor Bethany at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon, and star a Poisonous Liaisons on
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Speaker 1: the True Crime Network, death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan. But
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Speaker 1: first to special guests joining us from ABC six Fox
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Speaker 1: twenty eight Columbus Haley Nelson, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to make sense of that nine one one call.
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Speaker 1: But what I'm hearing, and we have actually recorded it
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Speaker 1: and listen to it over and over and transcribed it.
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Speaker 1: You hear someone screaming into the phone. She's at thirty
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Speaker 1: one seventy one Legion Lane and there is a girl
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Speaker 1: trying to fight and stab them and they need a
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Speaker 1: police officer there now, and screaming, screaming, screaming. First of all,
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Speaker 1: tell me about the area. What do you know that happened? Well,
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Speaker 1: we know at this point that someone had called into
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Speaker 1: nine one one desperately needing some kind of help. One
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Speaker 1: of the big things going around on social media, people
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Speaker 1: saying in the community was that Mkayah Bryant had called
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Speaker 1: nine one one. She needed help from police. Right now,
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Speaker 1: Columbus Police the funeral of criminal investigations, They will not
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Speaker 1: confirm at this point who called nine one one, But
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Speaker 1: it turns out now we know that the sixteen year
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Speaker 1: old has been shot and killed. She was living in
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Speaker 1: a Foster home at that time, So that is where
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Speaker 1: all of this silence folded. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: is it Halle or Helly Nelson? Heley? Thank you, Haley.
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing you recite the facts, and I know that
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Speaker 1: you're correct, but something's missing. You're saying they got a
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Speaker 1: nine one one call and the girl was shot, but
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Speaker 1: something had to precipitate that nine one one call. And
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Speaker 1: do we know if any of the victims in the
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Speaker 1: case had knives? Because whoever called did not have a knife.
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Speaker 1: And I know that mckea Bryant did have a knife.
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Speaker 1: So why would mckea bryant call and say if she
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Speaker 1: were being threatened by a knife. But she's the one
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Speaker 1: that's got the knife. That's how it appears that she
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Speaker 1: had the knife in the body camera video. But that's
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Speaker 1: been some of the big questions we've been trying to
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Speaker 1: get to the bottom to asking or there are other
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Speaker 1: people at the scene that were armed. How did this
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Speaker 1: all begin? Unfortunately BCI, which is run by the Ohio
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Speaker 1: Acurring Generals, not that they are not revealing those details
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Speaker 1: to us at that point. But that's one of the
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Speaker 1: biggest questions and concerns right now going on in the community.
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Speaker 1: What was going on? Are you saying, b C I,
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Speaker 1: B is in brothers, C is in Christie eyes an intelligence, Yes,
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Speaker 1: b C I. Okay, yeah, all right, So right now,
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Speaker 1: we don't know how many people had a knife at
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Speaker 1: the scene when the cops got there. They don't know
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Speaker 1: how many knives were on the scene. They're not revealing
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Speaker 1: that to us. We don't know how many people were
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Speaker 1: there ages or keeping mat pretty close to the churn.
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Speaker 1: Do we know if the victim had a knife? We
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Speaker 1: don't officially we All we know is what they are
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Speaker 1: showing us in that body camera. What you can see
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Speaker 1: with your owner eyes and rock from there and with
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Speaker 1: me is a reporter with Fox twenty eight ABC six
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Speaker 1: Columbus Haley, you've reviewed the video. What do you see?
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Speaker 1: Do you see anybody else with a knife other than
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Speaker 1: machea Bryant. I've watched it closely it's hard to tell.
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Speaker 1: When you're watching that video. You see her holding something.
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Speaker 1: I don't see the other folks. You see one woman
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Speaker 1: who seems to be holding a dog. But when you
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Speaker 1: listen to that nine one one call, it just sounds
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Speaker 1: like pandemonium. Well, it does sound like pandemonium. But we've
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Speaker 1: all looked at the video, and I don't see anybody
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Speaker 1: else holding a knife. I see the girl in the
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Speaker 1: pink she has one hand in a pocket, the other
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Speaker 1: hand is holding a dog. She's standing up by the car.
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Speaker 1: I don't see anybody else with a knife. I see
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Speaker 1: Macheia Bryant in blue jeans and a black shirt. I
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Speaker 1: think that's her. I see a woman in shorts on
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Speaker 1: the sidewalk. She doesn't have anything in her hands. The
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Speaker 1: other woman has a dog in her hand and her
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Speaker 1: other hand in a pocket. Where's this coming from that
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Speaker 1: another person had a knife other than Machia Bryant. One
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Speaker 1: of the biggest things I've been noticing with this situation
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Speaker 1: is there's been a lot of, you know, talk going
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Speaker 1: on on social media in the community, people saying that
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Speaker 1: there were multiple threats going on her, or a lot
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Speaker 1: of people fighting. We don't necessarily see that in the video.
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Speaker 1: Obviously we just see sadly the end result kind of
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Speaker 1: the end of all of that. But none of that
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Speaker 1: information has been confirmed, and I think that's why people
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Speaker 1: are so desperate to get more answers from the Bureau
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Speaker 1: of Criminal Investigations DCI about what exactly was unfolding, because
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Speaker 1: right now there are a lot more questions than there
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Speaker 1: are answers. Let's bring in the pale. But first of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this. This is from Nicholas Arden's
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Speaker 1: body camp footage. She's wrong Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the shooting death by an officer
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Speaker 1: of a sixteen year old teen girl. Okay, right at
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Speaker 1: the outset. Whenever a civilian dies or a shot when
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Speaker 1: officers go to a scene, there's something there, very wrong
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Speaker 1: that's not supposed to happen. When an officer goes to
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Speaker 1: a scene and perceives a threat to the officer, another
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Speaker 1: officer or a civilian shots maybe fire. So I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out why this girl was shot. From what
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Speaker 1: I kept telling you heard that that sound, that's Nicholas
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Speaker 1: Reardon's body camp footage. It was pandemonium as Healey Nelson
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Speaker 1: is telling us complete pandemonium. You got a cop going
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Speaker 1: into that scene trying to make sense of it. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've looked at the video, Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, what do you see? Because I don't see
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Speaker 1: anybody else with a knife except mckea Bryant. No, that's
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Speaker 1: the only individual at the scene that I actually see
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Speaker 1: holding a knife at that moment in time. She hasn't
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Speaker 1: essentially drawn back with her right hand. And this is
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Speaker 1: this is the interesting perspective, Nancy. The view that you're
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Speaker 1: getting from the officer worn camera is literally down down
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Speaker 1: the barrel of his weapon. If folks at home, there's
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Speaker 1: a great freeze frame that's out there that you can
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Speaker 1: look down the barrel of that weapon and actually see
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Speaker 1: her knife or the knife that she's holding in her
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Speaker 1: right hand, and she's kind of twisted at her waist
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Speaker 1: to the right as if she's generating force. Just think
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Speaker 1: about somebody kind of holding a baseball bat and twisting
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Speaker 1: backwards to swing forward. And it's a very interesting and
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Speaker 1: I can tell you why, but it's a very interesting
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Speaker 1: anatomical position, particularly when you consider that there were shots
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Speaker 1: fired afterwards. I'm looking at the video right now to
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Speaker 1: you Askal Walcott, judge and trial warrior, what do you see?
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Speaker 1: You know, I agree with Joe Scott Morgan and that's
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Speaker 1: what I see as well. But Nancy, one of the
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Speaker 1: things that bothers me about what I see and what
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Speaker 1: I heard, if we could go backwards to the nine
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Speaker 1: one tape, is it's children. Listen to the voices and
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Speaker 1: the sound of the voices, and you can tell the
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Speaker 1: age and when you get there and they're watching this,
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Speaker 1: and so not only do I only see one knife. Yes,
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Speaker 1: there's chaos, Yes it's scary when you walk into that
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Speaker 1: situation as law enforcement. But I see kids, Nancy, that's
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Speaker 1: what I see. I see teams, but I also see
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Speaker 1: a knife. And when somebody swinging a knife and an
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Speaker 1: unarmed victim, I mean mckembri, I'm looking at it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: am I seeing it from the wrong angle, Doctor Bethanie Marshall,
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Speaker 1: because I don't want a sixteen year old girls shot,
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Speaker 1: But I also double another teen girl stabbed damn with
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Speaker 1: a cop standing right, they are doing nothing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I've been playing this video on a loop since we
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Speaker 1: started the show today. And Nancy, not only is it chaotic.
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Speaker 1: And not only is this one teen girl the only
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Speaker 1: one with the knife, but you have other people actually
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Speaker 1: falling over. That's what's strange. In the foreground, you have
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Speaker 1: both a man and a woman. Let's see, you have
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Speaker 1: one person on the ground and you have another person
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Speaker 1: falling backwards. And I can't figure out what paused that.
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Speaker 1: Do you see what I meant? I say Bryant in
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Speaker 1: the video Makia Bryant swinging a knife at the young
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Speaker 1: woman in shorts. There's a girl on the pink that
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Speaker 1: has the dog and she's kind of leaning back against
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Speaker 1: at the beginning anyway, leaning back against a car, clearly
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Speaker 1: not presenting a threat. A girl in the pink jogging outfit.
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Speaker 1: So she doesn't have a knife, she's holding it a
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Speaker 1: little dog, and she's got her other hand in her pocket,
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Speaker 1: hands like that because there's no bulge in the pocket,
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Speaker 1: palm and pocket. So she's leaning back against the car.
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Speaker 1: Then I see Mkia Bryant, age sixteen, swing a knife
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Speaker 1: at a young girl, a young woman who was wearing shorts,
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Speaker 1: and after she slashes, the girl in shorts falls backward
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Speaker 1: onto the ground. I mean, if you look at it,
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Speaker 1: it looks like she may have been cut. A slow
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Speaker 1: down version shows Mkia Briant then turning her attention toward
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Speaker 1: the kneon pink tracksuit girl in peeing her up against
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Speaker 1: the car. Reardon pulls out his gun and keeps yelling
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Speaker 1: get down, get down at Bryant, who then raises her
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Speaker 1: right hand clutching the knife and directs it at the
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Speaker 1: woman who's leaned back against the car. She is cowering,
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Speaker 1: kind of defending herself to the blow that she's about
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Speaker 1: to get and reared and fires. That's what I see,
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Speaker 1: and I'm missing something, Nancy. Not only is it the
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Speaker 1: knife when she pulls back and she has the knife
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Speaker 1: aimed at the girl in the neon paint jogging suit,
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Speaker 1: it's right at the girl's abdomen. I mean, I'm a psycholanalyst.
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Speaker 1: I'm not a medical psychoanalyst. I'm a non MPDU clinician.
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Speaker 1: But when you point a knife at somebody's abdomens, that's
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Speaker 1: where all the major organs are. And I can see
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Speaker 1: how in the melee you might be really concerned that
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Speaker 1: somebody's going to die at the scene, that this is
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Speaker 1: a deadly situation that's unfolding very quickly. You know we
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Speaker 1: have the gift of hindsight where we're playing this tape
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Speaker 1: again and again and again. But what happens when you're
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Speaker 1: on that scene. You'r adrenaline's pumping and that you're trained
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Speaker 1: to keep people safe, and somebody's walking around wielding a
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Speaker 1: on in such an aggressive manner. I can't imagine how
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Speaker 1: someone makes a decision in a case like that. It
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Speaker 1: seems very threatening to me. Well, now we have freeze
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Speaker 1: frames of the incident, and you see it's pretty damning.
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Speaker 1: I see mckea Bryant, age sixteen. It looks like she's
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Speaker 1: got one her left hand up toward the victim in
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Speaker 1: the pink track suit, kind of knee neon peach, and
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Speaker 1: she's got her right hand reared back like she sticks
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Speaker 1: into she's about to stab the girl. And you see
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Speaker 1: the kneeon pink track suit girl defending herself in a
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Speaker 1: classic defense maneuver. She pulls up, she drops the dog.
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Speaker 1: The dog is dropped on the ground. She's got both
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Speaker 1: hands up like this. She does not have a weapon
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Speaker 1: in her hand. Palms are open. She does not have
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Speaker 1: a weapon. She's cringing back. She's lifting her left knee
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Speaker 1: up over her body like this and mckea Bryant is
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Speaker 1: going in with the knife. That's what I'm seeing. But
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Speaker 1: you know what, let's listen take a listen to more.
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Speaker 1: This is the second officer that arrives on the scene.
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Speaker 1: Body can footage and it sounds crazy, but let's try
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Speaker 1: to dissect pick out what we can make of it.
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Speaker 1: Thanks two hundred such fires, two hundred such fir shut
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Speaker 1: down the three. We're gonna have enough cards. Shut down
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Speaker 1: the three, I'd be hearing shut down the three, back down,
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Speaker 1: the count three down climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, um, there are
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Speaker 1: no winners in this scenario, and the truth is very
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Speaker 1: difficult to discern. But what we are talking about is
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Speaker 1: a sixteen year old teen girl who is welding a knife.
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Speaker 1: And it's a substantial knife too. I'm interested to find out,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, and you're my forensics expert, that just
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Speaker 1: the blade on that knife looks to be at least
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Speaker 1: four inches long. Yeah, I think I think you be
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Speaker 1: showing your measurement there. I think that it might because
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Speaker 1: the freeze frame I'm looking at right now, her right
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Speaker 1: index finger is actually obscuring part of the blade. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I'm right, I'm looking. I know, I'm looking at the
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Speaker 1: same thing. Is this with Naton, track suit girl, Calorie
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Speaker 1: and the dog is on the ground and mckea Briant
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Speaker 1: is reared back with a knife and then knife You
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Speaker 1: can see it really well. Yeah, and you know part
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Speaker 1: of the handle is actually hanging out of the backside.
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Speaker 1: She's really choked up on this thing. It almost looks
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Speaker 1: like this is a kitchen knife, Nancy. It looks like knife.
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Speaker 1: Who goes out in the yard with a knife like that.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, it's one thing if you're carrying
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Speaker 1: a pocket knife, but you're knife. No, it's not. You're
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Speaker 1: showing up with a knife that has that length of
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Speaker 1: a blade. It's it's pretty amazing to me that someone
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Speaker 1: would even have that in their hands. I mean, what
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Speaker 1: are you What are you doing with a knife like
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Speaker 1: that out and that takes that takes purpose the purpose.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go look at the other still frame
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Speaker 1: with the dogs still on the ground and knee on
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Speaker 1: track Suit girl is now that she's got her knee
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Speaker 1: up against her right in the defensive gesture. Yep, Now
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Speaker 1: you see Mkia Brant has raised a knife. Now she's
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Speaker 1: got it up like that right at net length. I guess, Nick,
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Speaker 1: the same parallel in her neck and face. Do you
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Speaker 1: see that? Yeah? And so she's coiled at that point
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Speaker 1: time I'm talking about the Bryant is coiled. At that
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Speaker 1: point she's she's generating energy in order to thrust the
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Speaker 1: thing forward. And Nancy, if I can just expand on
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Speaker 1: this a little bit, I gotta say I've worked a
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Speaker 1: lot of knife fatalities over the course of my career,
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Speaker 1: and most of the time they take place in the home.
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Speaker 1: All right, this is not something you see it, you
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Speaker 1: hear about it on the street, but they take place
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Speaker 1: in the home. What do we reach for in the home?
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Speaker 1: The thing that's the most convenient, And most of the
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Speaker 1: time you see more in my experience, my little slice
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Speaker 1: of the world, I've seen more knife fatalities relative to
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Speaker 1: things you use in the kitchen as opposed to guy gariness,
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Speaker 1: which blade or buck knife or you know, something like that.
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Speaker 1: And so these injuries are particularly nasty first because the
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Speaker 1: shank on the blade, the backside of it is very
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Speaker 1: very robust, all right, Because you know, you're talking about
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Speaker 1: cutting through bone and you have such links, so you're
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Speaker 1: going to be able to really get in to the
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Speaker 1: central part of the body and kind of work your
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Speaker 1: way in with this knife. And these these injuries most
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Speaker 1: of the time, particularly if you hit anywhere in the chest,
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Speaker 1: they have a high high percentage of lethality at that
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Speaker 1: point in time. And you're saying lethality. Yeah, absolutely, it's
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Speaker 1: not going to end well, Nancy. Okay, this is what
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Speaker 1: the Columbus mayor says. Andrew Ginther says, we know based
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Speaker 1: on this footage the officer took action to protect another
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Speaker 1: girl in our community. Already, protests have started. There are
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Speaker 1: reports that the victim, Mckeea Bryant made the call to police.
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Speaker 1: Let's take another listen to that nine on one call,
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Speaker 1: our cup one. Listen, where is your emergency department number?
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Speaker 1: Letter set? These girl girls over here trying to fight
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Speaker 1: us on our Grandma dinner. Now weapon weapon, We need
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Speaker 1: a police officer here now. Now, Wow, you're hearing the
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Speaker 1: nine on one call just like dispatch you did. And
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Speaker 1: now take a listen to Clay Gordon Angelan Harris ten
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Speaker 1: TV News. This is the body camera video released from
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Speaker 1: Columbus Police. Interim police Chief Mike Woods says Officer Nicholas
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Speaker 1: Reardon was the one who discharged his firearm. Here he
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Speaker 1: is heading towards a legion lane after two nine one
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Speaker 1: one calls to police foot and shows seven people in
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Speaker 1: a driveway, and when the officer says what's going on,
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Speaker 1: that's when another woman is shoved to the ground. Please
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Speaker 1: later identify Kayah Bryant. She appears to be the one
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Speaker 1: shoving down the other woman. We are going to slow
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Speaker 1: this part down. Officer Reardon draws his gun. Ten seconds
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Speaker 1: after getting out of the cruiser, a woman on the
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Speaker 1: ground gets kicked by a man on the sidewalk. Clubs.
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Speaker 1: Please say, other potential crimes within this video are being
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Speaker 1: investigated separately. Then you see mccaya Bryant lunging towards a
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Speaker 1: woman in pink with what appears to be a knife.
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Speaker 1: Then the first shot is fired. We're going to pause
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Speaker 1: this video here for ten seconds. As Mccaiah falls to
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Speaker 1: the ground and the officer's gun is still pointed at her.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to show her death out of respect
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Speaker 1: of her life and for her family. A second officer's
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Speaker 1: body camera arriving on scene pick up the shots. Okay,
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Speaker 1: back to Ashley Walcott, judge and trial law, your anchor
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Speaker 1: at Court TV Way yea and Ashley. So here's the thing, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You understand that a course based on the training of
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Speaker 1: the officer there here to assist and put the threat away,
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Speaker 1: so nobody's hurt, and that's what he's done. But I
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Speaker 1: have so many questions listening to this, watching this over
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Speaker 1: and over and over, like I have, Nancy, Here's what
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Speaker 1: I don't understand. There are other ways? Do you have
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Speaker 1: to shoot a person then kill them when you're trained
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Speaker 1: law enforcement? What about a t What do you mean
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Speaker 1: by that? What do you mean do you have to
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Speaker 1: kill them when they're a trained law Are you suggesting
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Speaker 1: that what a shooter in the leg? Yes? Yes? Or
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Speaker 1: guess why? If if the threat? If? If the threat
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Speaker 1: can be stopped by shooting elsewhere and not shooting to kill? Absolutely? Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: The other question I would have, and I know it's
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Speaker 1: a just Scott Morgan question, it's not a mean question,
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Speaker 1: is what about a taser? Did he have the ability
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Speaker 1: to use the taser with he too far away? I
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Speaker 1: don't know those things, but are there other ways to
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Speaker 1: get rid of the threat without the individual dying? Yes,
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Speaker 1: she was a risk, Yes she was going to hurt someone.
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Speaker 1: Yes she had to be he stopped. But was this
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Speaker 1: the best way, the best training to stop her? That's
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Speaker 1: my question. Yes, I agree with you. Was it the
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Speaker 1: best way? I know this. Somebody pulled a knife on
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Speaker 1: my child and they are unarmed, and they are carrying
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Speaker 1: back in their trapped against the back of a car,
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Speaker 1: and the aggressor pulls the knife back and starts to
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Speaker 1: stab them. Do you think about that, Ashley? Well, you
25:44
Speaker 1: do have a point, Mancy. I mean, obviously we are
25:47
Speaker 1: all going to want protected protected. Absolutely you want to protected.
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Speaker 1: But I still stand by was that the only way
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Speaker 1: this officer could make certain that the victim was not harmed?
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Speaker 1: That's my I don't know the answer. I'm not an
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Speaker 1: expert in law enforcement, but I have to ask that question.
26:14
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you. Was there
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Speaker 1: another way? Could there have been another way? Let's put
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Speaker 1: the shoe on the other foot. If my child had
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Speaker 1: a knife and was reared back, what I want the
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Speaker 1: cop to shoot my child? Of course not. But in
26:32
Speaker 1: this case, when you are pulling a knife back and
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Speaker 1: lunging forward on an unarmed person, the cop is gonna
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Speaker 1: shoot crime stories with Nancy Grace. Let me understand something,
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Speaker 1: Haley Nelson with me, reporter ABC six, Fox twenty eight.
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Speaker 1: Did a cop shout out to mckeya Bryant to stand down.
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Speaker 1: We don't hear that in the body camera video, and
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Speaker 1: Columbus police say that that's something that they like officers
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Speaker 1: to do to announce they might be firing. But it
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Speaker 1: is not an absolute mandate here for Columbus police to
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Speaker 1: do that. Well, I know it's not a mandate, but
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Speaker 1: I was told that he yelled out, get down, get down,
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Speaker 1: get down before he shot. Sure, we hear we hear
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Speaker 1: him say get down, get down. We don't necessarily, at
27:35
Speaker 1: least from what I hear watching this, we don't hear
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Speaker 1: him say I'm going to shoot necessarily, But there are
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Speaker 1: some commands get down, get down? Hey, what's going on?
27:45
Speaker 1: So he does order her to get down. From what
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Speaker 1: we are hearing in body camera videos, there are some
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Speaker 1: commands that go out, but as you heard, they're yelling.
27:54
Speaker 1: There's people all over. I know that, but I'm confused
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Speaker 1: about why can't get his train answer because I hear him.
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Speaker 1: All the reports are is that he yelled out, get down.
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Speaker 1: Get down, get down. Why is it? I mean, why
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Speaker 1: is that so hard to say? The cop yelled out,
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Speaker 1: get down, get down, get down. Okay, you know what,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bessie Marshall, as my hearing completely just failed me.
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Speaker 1: Am I not hearing the cop yelled get down, get down,
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Speaker 1: get down. He's yelling get down. And from a mental
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Speaker 1: health perspective, I'm thinking about why is this sixteen year
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Speaker 1: old not hearing him or purposely not hearing him. Obviously
28:39
Speaker 1: she can hear him. She don't say she didn't full
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Speaker 1: of doing that. I don't know if she heard him
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Speaker 1: or not in the heat of that moment. Go ahead,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, well, well, I guess you know you
28:48
Speaker 1: and I are thinking the same thing. She's in such
28:51
Speaker 1: an agitated state. Obviously, she's very aggressive, she has excessive
28:57
Speaker 1: bull directed energy. She has her victim and her sights,
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Speaker 1: and the fact that she is not responding to the
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Speaker 1: officer says something about her state of mind, something about
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Speaker 1: her intent. She's literally charging at the victim of some
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Speaker 1: kind of a bipolar state. I don't want to speak
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Speaker 1: ill of the dead, but something is going on with
29:22
Speaker 1: her psychiatrically that is unfolding, very very quickly, and the
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Speaker 1: fact that she's either unable to hear the officer or
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Speaker 1: is purposely not listening to the officer is an indicator
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Speaker 1: of her intent that she you know sometimes you know
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Speaker 1: that agitated state, whether she even heard him. There's no
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Speaker 1: no win here because the team girl has been shot dead,
29:51
Speaker 1: and when police go into a situation ending up having
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Speaker 1: a civilian dead, something went horribly sideways. Another thing that
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Speaker 1: I think is very significant is what Halley Nelson is
30:06
Speaker 1: telling me from ABC six Fix twenty eight. If the
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Speaker 1: girl mckea Bryant is the one that made that nine
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Speaker 1: one one call, that changes everything because that tells me
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Speaker 1: that at some point she was afraid of a knife attack.
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Speaker 1: If in fact that was her making the call. If
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Speaker 1: mckea Bryant made that nine one one call where she's
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Speaker 1: begging an officer to come to the scene because somebody
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Speaker 1: has a knife and is attacking her and others, that
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Speaker 1: really changes everything, Ashley Willcott, because that takes her away
30:45
Speaker 1: from being the original aggressor. Absolutely, it changes everything because
30:51
Speaker 1: she's not the original aggressor. She therefore was initially the victim.
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Speaker 1: And there's a very good argument then defending herself, I
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Speaker 1: hear you. But even if she was initially that, if
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Speaker 1: she was the initial victim, she still was the aggressor
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Speaker 1: on the girl with a neon pink sweatshit sweatsuit because
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Speaker 1: that girl was unarmed. I don't know what happened before this,
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Speaker 1: before the officer got there. Helen Nelson, Where are the
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Speaker 1: reports coming from that mckea Bryant is the one who
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Speaker 1: made that nine one one call. None of us want
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Speaker 1: any perp shot dead on the scene. When an officer
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Speaker 1: shows up and thinks he's got to shoot to save
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Speaker 1: an innocent victim's life, they're gonna shoot. But I can't
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Speaker 1: understand everything that was happening. Where's it coming from that
31:53
Speaker 1: she made the nine one one call. None of that
31:55
Speaker 1: is confirmed officially by police or invested him. That is
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Speaker 1: what people in the kynody are saying, what people on
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Speaker 1: social media are saying. We've seen massive protests through the
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Speaker 1: city of Columbus. That's one of the major points that
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Speaker 1: a lot of people demonstrating are saying. But we asked BCI,
32:12
Speaker 1: we asked investigators about this. They're not telling us yet officially. Well,
32:18
Speaker 1: they need to be completely transparent and get all the
32:21
Speaker 1: facts out there. If there's something we don't know, we
32:25
Speaker 1: need to know. The public has a right to know.
32:27
Speaker 1: Jump in. Yeah, hey, look, look this is why I
32:30
Speaker 1: love science, Nancy. The beauty part of this is that
32:34
Speaker 1: it's going to be determined who made the nine one
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Speaker 1: More than likely, I doubt, very seriously, it came from
32:39
Speaker 1: a landline, which problems solved right there. More than likely
32:42
Speaker 1: it came from a cell phone. That cell phone has
32:45
Speaker 1: a distinct signature. We'll know who owns the phone, and
32:49
Speaker 1: if they want to take it another step, they can
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Speaker 1: do a voice analysis. Now back to this young woman.
32:54
Speaker 1: I mean, certainly a witness is going to be able
32:56
Speaker 1: to say who call nine one one? But yeah, you're right,
32:59
Speaker 1: it can be to the so yeah, absolutely, and that
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Speaker 1: that'll be that takes that level of emotion and lack
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Speaker 1: of clarity out of it very very quickly. And BCI
33:11
Speaker 1: is very good at what they do, all right, so
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Speaker 1: I know that they'll track this down. Secondly, relative to
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Speaker 1: the officer when he came up, he's trying to interdict
33:21
Speaker 1: a situation. Now let's just say, let's take this idea
33:25
Speaker 1: that he's going to shoot to wound. I've heard many
33:28
Speaker 1: people over the years to actually say this, and I
33:32
Speaker 1: understand the premise behind it. However, the target that you're
33:36
Speaker 1: talking about shooting is a target that you have to
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Speaker 1: acquire within a millisecond if you shoot, if you just
33:44
Speaker 1: stand by and wind up shooting somebody in a leg,
33:47
Speaker 1: if you're fortunate enough to hit that spot all right,
33:51
Speaker 1: by that time, she could have cut this other girl's throat. Now,
33:55
Speaker 1: not only do you have the girl bleeding out on
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Speaker 1: the ground that had her throat cut, Now you've got
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Speaker 1: another person that has been shot potentially in the leg.
34:03
Speaker 1: Guess what runs through the leg, the federal artery. All
34:06
Speaker 1: kinds of other vessels run through there. Now she's bleeding out,
34:09
Speaker 1: You've got two people dying. Maybe resources are limited as
34:13
Speaker 1: far as tasers go. Again, this is a millisecond decision.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that he could cross that ground in
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Speaker 1: that amount of time because there is a terminal length
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Speaker 1: to the distance a taser can deploy. And if you
34:28
Speaker 1: have somebody, as doctor Bethany had mentioned, has a highly
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Speaker 1: agitated mental state, let me tell you something. You're not
34:36
Speaker 1: going to interdict him with a taser necessarily. This is
34:39
Speaker 1: a lethal event that is going on. The police officer
34:43
Speaker 1: had to make that decision in that moment. Guys, how
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Speaker 1: did this young girl mckea Brian, age sixteen end up
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Speaker 1: wandering around with a butcher knife in the front yard.
34:55
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eight. This is Lacy
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Speaker 1: Crisp ten TV. As the world heard the verdict in
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Speaker 1: the Derek Chauvin case, Paula Bryant's sixteen year old daughter
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Speaker 1: Mkaiah was fatally shot by a Columbus police officer on
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Speaker 1: the city's southeast side. I'm very upset, I'm hurt. I
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Speaker 1: want answers. Columbus police were called to Legion Lane on
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Speaker 1: reports of his stabbing. A Columbus police officer fired his gun,
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Speaker 1: shooting and killing the team. My daughter dispatched the Columbus
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Speaker 1: police for protection. Not to be a homicide today. Makaiah
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Speaker 1: was staying at a foster home. But Paula tells me
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Speaker 1: that you last saw each other on Thursday. Haley Nelson,
35:38
Speaker 1: ABC six, Fox twenty eight. Why was she in a
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Speaker 1: foster home. We know that they had had a history.
35:42
Speaker 1: She had had a history with Children's Services since two
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Speaker 1: thousand and seven. As for specific details, they're not sharing
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Speaker 1: those with us. But she's been living in a foster
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Speaker 1: home and that specific address where this unfolded for just
35:55
Speaker 1: a few months, for just a little bit of time, right,
35:59
Speaker 1: they specific a dress. What are you saying if you
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Speaker 1: address this location where sadly, this deadly shooting unfolded. Okay,
36:06
Speaker 1: let me understand what you just said. Thirty one seventy
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Speaker 1: one Legion Lane is the foster home, that is my understanding.
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Speaker 1: Holy moly. So is it a family residence or is
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Speaker 1: it a home where multiple children live? It's a residential area.
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Speaker 1: We don't know how many children might live at that home,
36:28
Speaker 1: but we do know she had been there recently. Do
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Speaker 1: you ask she Wilcot judge and trial lawyer, she's in
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Speaker 1: a foster home and she has she's allowed to wield
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Speaker 1: a butcher knife out in the front yard. Who's supervising
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Speaker 1: her in that foster family? Yeah, so this is a
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Speaker 1: whole other issue. You know. I'm a child welfare law
36:52
Speaker 1: specialist and deal with these issues on a daily basis
36:55
Speaker 1: in juvenile court. Let me say this with this entire scenario,
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's probably a residential foster home, meaning, for
37:03
Speaker 1: those who aren't familiar with our system, that there are
37:06
Speaker 1: children placed in the home. But it's not a group home,
37:09
Speaker 1: so you're not going to have twenty or thirty children,
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Speaker 1: but rather a couple of children placed in the home.
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Speaker 1: She might have been the only child. There are strict
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Speaker 1: regulations policies that foster parents have to go through to
37:21
Speaker 1: ensure that their home is safe for children who frankly,
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Speaker 1: they don't know well. Right, children who have been through
37:26
Speaker 1: trauma and should not have access to weapons. And a
37:31
Speaker 1: butcher knife is a weapon. Now there's some that would
37:34
Speaker 1: argue but it's just used in the kitchen to cook. Okay,
37:36
Speaker 1: fair enough. But when you have teams put in your
37:39
Speaker 1: home that you're not familiar with their history, they're trauma
37:42
Speaker 1: what they need, and you are a foster agency or
37:46
Speaker 1: home for a state agency, there are criteria that need
37:50
Speaker 1: to be met. You have to supervise the children. So
37:53
Speaker 1: this child should not have had access to a butcher
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Speaker 1: knife in order to then be threatening individual than actually
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Speaker 1: chasing a victim in order to save them. There are
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Speaker 1: a lot of issues with that scenario, and that child,
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Speaker 1: I would suggest, was not being properly supervised right now,
38:12
Speaker 1: we're yeah, I'd like to add one more thing too,
38:16
Speaker 1: something else that's kind of disturbing to me that I
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Speaker 1: caught in this video. I don't know, maybe I'm misinterpreting it,
38:22
Speaker 1: but I could swear that at a couple of these views,
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Speaker 1: I saw adults out there spectating. For me, that's very troubling.
38:32
Speaker 1: And let me tell you one more if you like
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Speaker 1: that one. If in fact, any of these adults had
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Speaker 1: a camera in their hand and they were videotaping this,
38:43
Speaker 1: their collective asses should be in jail, period, because they
38:48
Speaker 1: didn't interdict prior to the cops having to show up
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Speaker 1: and do what they did. So if there were adults
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Speaker 1: out there and they were watching these minor children engage,
38:57
Speaker 1: it almost you know, I gotta tell you, Nancy, I
38:59
Speaker 1: love him. It almost looked like gladiator games. Is that
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Speaker 1: what they're doing? It's this like entertainment for them, because
39:06
Speaker 1: that's very, very disturbing. We also know that a woman
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Speaker 1: named Hazel Bryant, who I did herself as mckea Bryant's
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Speaker 1: aunt stated mckea Bryant lived in the Foster home and
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Speaker 1: had gotten involved in an altercation with someone else there
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Speaker 1: in the Foster home. Clearly there was no supervision at all.
39:29
Speaker 1: Right now, we're looking for answers why a sixteen year
39:32
Speaker 1: old girl has been shot, and the reverberations go on.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend,