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EDP25: City2Surf / Sir Walter Mile / IFAM Oordegem / Listener Questions · Easy Double podcast

• 0:32
  Hello. As we've reached the quarter
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  century mark, I'm joined firstly by Owen Smith and hopefully
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  later on in not too distant future, Dean will be dialing in
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  as well. God knows what he's up to, but
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  he couldn't make the kick off. So welcome, Owen, how are you?
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  I'm good Ryan, legs bit sore after a big week but happy to be
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  chatting to you. Yeah, I just, I just clicked a
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  senior story before wants to ask you about these hard boiled
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  eggs. What, 6 grams of protein in each
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  egg? Well.
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  What are they doing in the gravel though?
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  Did you eat them after that? But should you peel the shell
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  off? Oh yeah, true.
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  Yeah, I've actually got a few people ask me about that, like,
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  what the hell? But yeah, you peel the shell off
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  and then just you just eat. Quick protein.
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  Yeah, fair enough. So did you cook them up this
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  morning? Yeah, boiled them this morning.
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  I actually got that off Elliot Giles, the UK runner.
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  He, no, I remember he was doing an interview and he had like a
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  boiled egg in his hand and I was like, what the hell?
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  So yeah, what's my thing now? How long do you boil them for?
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  8 minutes is just nice because you don't want it too runny, but
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  you also want it like like a bit solid.
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  So yeah, that's my go to. Yeah, OK.
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  I don't know about the boiled egg game.
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  I know about the poached egg game.
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  So it's similar like you want the yolk in the middle.
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  Yeah, just poached eggs. They're they're a lot harder to
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  do. Boiled egg you later just boil
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  the water. Chucked eggs in 8 minutes where
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  you go. OK, enough egg chat.
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  We're trying. We're trying to stop pad until
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  Dean gets on, but we can't. We can't be going down the Egg
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  Rd. too much. No, he's parenting duties.
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  Just wanted to say the Easy Double Easy Double Strava group
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  has grown some legs this week since we gave a shout out on the
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  episode last week. So we've got 150 members in
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  there now. Hopefully that will continue to
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  grow. Oh, here he is, here he is.
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  Speak of the devil. How you guys doing?
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  We were just chatting about you. Ears were burner.
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  Well, literally just introduced Owen and we chatted about his
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  his boiled egg game after his long run this morning.
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  Have you seen this? Have you seen it on his story I?
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  Haven't. So he's got his, he's got his
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  shoes on the floor, he's got his like nutrition on the floor, his
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  Becks, gels and tablets and then two boiled eggs.
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  Antonia, get on it. He's hitting all the macros.
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  Yeah. Easy double egg protein.
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  Hey, so Dean, here we are. Welcome to the show, Episode 25
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  quarter Century Mark. Sort of flown I think.
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  Yeah, no, which is more of a landmark you think, this week or
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  next week? Because next week 20, week 26
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  must be the half year. Yeah, I like the the symmetry of
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  25 on its way to 100, but 26 probably in terms of time.
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  Yeah, OK. We'll claim next week as well
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  anyway. We've done well like keeping it.
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  We've done well like keeping it together.
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  Like we're seeing that, like we're all on, like the other
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  side of the world. Yeah, I can't believe we're
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  still here. It's.
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  Pretty good. We have managed the plus seven
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  well, to be fair. Or -7.
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  We're almost at the point of not needing to reference it, but we
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  haven't quite got there yet. Nearly.
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  I was just saying, Dean, about the Strava group.
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  It's grown some legs this week. We've got 150 members in there
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  as of right now and Shift there's, there's a few mileage
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  monsters in there, like if you want to be in the top 10 on this
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  week's leaderboard for mileage, you've got to be running 140 KS.
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  Yeah, that's that's good. That's what that's what you
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  want. That's what so so the king of
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  Strava must have heard his He has been in last week because
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  he's got involved now. Jake.
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  He's on 260K, sitting pretty at the top.
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  I nearly commented on his activities today.
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  Did you say because I think he's, I think it was a triple
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  run day. In his second run, he tried to
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  push the run and I think he commented about how people on
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  their recovery days sort of effectively train too hard and
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  run too hard on the easy runs. And I nearly commented do they
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  train harder, not smarter? But I I tried to not be a troll,
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  but I saved it for here. So there you go.
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  His his elevation gain as well. Like when you log into Strava on
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  the laptop, you get so much more data.
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  It's fucking it's cool. Like his elevation is two 2467,
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  but the cool thing is he's not top of the elevation gain
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  despite running 260 KS and seemingly a lot in the hills as
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  well. There's a guy Michelle, Michelle
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  Giuseppe, I think he does his runs in Italy as well.
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  He's got 5496 meters of elevation gain across 118 KS of
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  running. That is outrageous.
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  He's literally climbing a mountain for every single run he
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  does. Yeah, So my eyes are going to be
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  fixed on that, see if he's doing it again, like week in, week
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  out, or if he's just been running up a mountain this week.
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  And there was a question in there during the week.
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  Someone asked, they were asking about the topless running, you
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  know, from last week's Double Trouble and keen to get your
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  opinions on this. They were saying topless,
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  running in the rain, yes or no. I think it depends if it's cold
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  out, like if it's cold and rain and you're wearing no top,
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  you're going to get sick. But if it's warm and it's just
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  like a heavy shower, like sometimes your top gets super
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  super heavy and it's just not nice to run in.
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  So then you could ditch it. But like if it's freezing cold,
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  like if it's cold enough to wear hat and gloves like you should
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  be wearing AT shirt. Let's be real.
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  Yeah, the cold. Cold overrides everything.
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  That's why it was the double trouble.
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  So I just don't understand why you would go, oh it's cold, I'll
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  take my top off. I just don't get it.
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  And then this week I've seen so many topless people running
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  whilst it's been cold or dark or wet or anything.
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  And I probably see them every week, but I wouldn't have
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  noticed them previously because I've said this.
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  Now I'm just seeing all these people running around topless
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  and thinking that the trolling me.
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  Was it AI generated the the what you created?
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  Yeah, the prompt, the prompt must have been pretty detailed.
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  It's good, isn't it? It's done well, yeah.
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  At first the prompter it gave me gave me like a proper humanized
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  like legit image and I was like shit, if the guy who I was
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  talking about sees this it might like actually get offended.
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  So I have to like alter it to make it more cartoon like and
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  stuff. Do you fade an image of who you
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  took? Sends it straight in from the
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  camera roll. A bit more ad hoc stuff.
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  We've got a big interview coming up next Friday.
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  It's locked in. Shall I?
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  Shall I reveal the candidate or shall we keep it close to our
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  chest? Maybe just a few teasers like
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  where's from how good is he or she or she reveal.
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  Gender. Yeah.
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  OK, so said candidate has at least one GB vest.
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  Said candidate has. I don't know how much.
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  What else to say without giving it away.
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  I think the GB vest could do it. Go on.
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  Oh no, every arsehole in the country in GB nearly has any GB
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  vest. It's not too hard to get one.
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  But what is his like best distance?
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  Like is he marathon? Is he shorter?
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  I'd say a few years ago maybe raised his profile massively
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  from a certain marathon that he ran.
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  Interesting, no, So we won't say the name, but one for the
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  future. Yeah, very excited the head of
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  this conversation as well. Big platform as well.
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  All righty then, let's talk about what this episode is going
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  to look like. So we've got some running
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  results from City to Surf in Sydney, the same Walter Mile in
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  the US and Meet in Belgium, which attracted a lot of
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  Australian, Irish and British athletes called IF AM or Deja.
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  We'll have some training weeks. We'll have some more news which
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  we potentially missed last week because if you listen to last
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  week's episode, it was that heavy on the running news from
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  all the national champs. We didn't quite get through some
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  more agenda items this week. I opened it up to the listener
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  questions, so we've had some good responses there.
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  We'll try and get through as many as we can and then the good
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  old YouTube Diaries in Double Trouble will hopefully get a
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  shelf at the end as well. So I think Owen is going to talk
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  us through the first set of results.
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  Yeah, so we'll head to Sydney first for the City to Surf,
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  which sees 80,000 odd people flock to Sydney and run out to
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  Bondi. I'm pretty sure it's the biggest
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  fun run in the world, which is crazy.
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  Anyway, the winner was Isaac Kane from SA who ran 4033,
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  second was Sam Clifford who ran 4124 and 3rd was Thomas Dicanto
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  who ran 4133. So Isaac Kane nearly winning by
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  a minute there, which is pretty, pretty good.
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  You see Sam Clifford and Tom Dicanto both on the like, Sydney
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  elite field, aren't they? So I'm not sure whether they
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  would have liked tapered and stuff into this, but
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  nevertheless, potentially Tom Dicanto would be relatively
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  happy with the small gap between himself and Sam Clifford there,
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  given like the work that Sam Clifford's been putting in.
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  Absolutely, and his strive isn't meant to be mental.
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  Like I think he's doing like 50 kilometer long runs.
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  So yeah, Sam Clifford is 100% on heavy legs.
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  The women's was won by Bronte Oates who ran 4551.
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  Second was Caitlin Adams who ran a 4634, and third was a Ruby
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  Smee who ran a 4659. I'm not sure like our dem times,
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  like it's a 12 KM race or 14 kilometer race.
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  So I'm not sure how they stack up against previous years, but
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  I'm sure definitely Isaac was moving.
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  Yeah, I think the early context I had, because he won it last
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  year and I think he was maybe was it 17 seconds quicker than
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  last year. I think I saw it reported, but
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  presumably that'd be pretty fast times based on the quality of
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  athletes, right? Yeah, I think it was a wet day
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  and so I can't remember where it was, where I see in it.
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  Otherwise I would say someone said that if it wasn't W
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  potentially as I came with the challenge, the course record
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  which goes back to 91 apparently.
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  I think it was really heavy rain.
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  I've seen an Irish girl is over there running and I seen she's
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  like, oh, I thought it was meant to be sunny every day of the
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  year in Australia, but no, I think it was absolutely lashing
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  rain. So yeah, that's serious running
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  by them. It's interesting to see, well,
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  not to see Ed Goddard in the top three.
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  So yeah, I wonder what's going on with him.
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  Yeah, I seen a photo of someone I know who just like kind of
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  done it casually and the, you know, like the, what's the area
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  called where like you gather afterwards, like the finish
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  down, I guess isn't it? They're all like stood there and
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  it looks like a typical British festival, you know, like
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  absolute mud bath. I think it's the Bondi, isn't
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  it? You finish your own Bondi.
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  So with that, have you ever ran it there?
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  No. No, now I think it used to be
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  bigger. I'm not sure if maybe some of
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  the funding for the event fell away some years back.
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  Like I don't think it attracts the same sort of field as what
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  it once used to. I tried to run it last year, but
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  I was late entering it. And so I text the organizer and
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  they're like, oh, the best we can do is like set you off on
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  the last wave. And I was like, I think I'll
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  leave it. Yeah.
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  Where were you at the time? Were you in Queensland or?
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  No, I was in Perth, I was going to fly over her.
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  Oh, you were gonna, you were gonna head over for it.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like, it is like, it's a
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  massive race, like city surf, like Sydney, Like it'd be cool
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  to like, say I ran it, but it wasn't to be.
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  Had you just got to Perth OR? I would have just got.
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  That point, yeah. Trying to leave as soon as you
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  got it. Business trip.
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  Yeah. Well, the soon you say business
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  trip I don't think do they have prize money they don't do they
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  or do they? I'm not sure.
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  Yeah, I don't know. It could be a bit like, yeah,
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  it's like the per city to Surf, which is coming up in a few
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  weeks. Used to have the support of
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  Chevron, like one of the major oil and gas companies here used
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  to fund quite. It was quite deep.
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  They used to get like we had a marathon and had some very good
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  prize money and attracted like Yuki Kawuchi had won it before
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  and you know, other strong domestic runners would come over
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  for the 12 K and the marathon and half marathon.
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  But all that funding sort of fell away maybe 5-7 years ago.
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  So, and I'm not sure if maybe city to surf took a bit of a
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  similar turn the Sydney, Sydney to surf.
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  Yeah, OK, fair enough. Next result then takes us to the
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  US where there was 2 Australians in 1st and 2nd.
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  So there was an elite men's mile and elite women's mile now in
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  the men's field was won by Kai Robinson in 350.8.
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  Second was Olly Hall in 350.96. And then from 3rd through most
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  of the rest of the field were US athletes, as you would expect.
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  So I did hear that Ollie Hall was saying he thought he might
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  have been in Aussie record shape ahead of this and he was going
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  to have a stab at it. I haven't actually seen any
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  footage of the race, but I do believe the Aussie record is his
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  own of 34748. So he's obviously come off a bit
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  short of that. And interesting that Kyle
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  Robinson's beaten him across the line because he's typically like
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  a five more of a 5K guy, isn't he?
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  Yeah, that's a good. I hadn't.
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  I was just thinking about Kyle Robinson because we hadn't
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  hadn't heard much from him right in the last couple of months.
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  But I think he's run the standard has an E for world
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  champ. So presumably, yeah, like you
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  say, he's probably training for the 5K.
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  So good science to have be running well over a shorter
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  distance. So fingers crossed, that bodes
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  well for next month. Yeah, he must sense that he
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  needs to work on that closing speed.
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  Generally, these races unfold over the past few weeks.
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  So in the women's mile was three US athletes.
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  Grace Morris won 423, Rachel MacArthur, who's the partner of
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  Cupertier, second, 423 high. So that that was a very tight
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  finish. And 3rd is a girl called Angel
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  Picker Leo. Picker, Willow.
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  Yeah, go on, go on, Angel. Started from where was that
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  race? It's in the US somewhere, say
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  welter mile. Interesting, right now we go to
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  Belgium where I think it was the last proper, like fast to like 5
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  KS or something 'cause there was a lot of Aussies, Brits on Irish
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  over at it. So we'll start with the women's
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  5000 which was won by oh Jimmy Mac.
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  Here we go Joy check Tieck from Uganda who ran 1440, second was
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  Lauren Ryan who ran 1440 mid and 3rd was Mod Modi Mordi Sky Ring
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  from Australia who ran 1451. Also in that race was India
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  where she came. She's party Macau now.
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  She needed to run What's the standard 1450 is that?
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  Yeah, so she she ran 15 O 1. So she didn't have the standard,
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  but it's still a PB for her and in the men's 800.
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  Wait, wait, with that one, can I say that Lauren Ryan moved
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  herself back into I think they're like 5000 team with
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  that. So I think it was Linden Hall
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  who she's gone ahead of and also more de sky ring.
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  So like that was a race within the race between those two
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  essentially, given that they were both running faster than
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  the time that Linden had put down.
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  So who's in that 5K now? So at the moment, who's number
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  one? So obviously Rosie Davis has won
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  two is Griffiths. Georgia Griffith.
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  Yeah, Whether or not it's, I can't remember which.
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  Yeah, that's it. That's the order.
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  And then third line right now. Because they ran.
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  Was it 32 and 33 at that London Diamond League?
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  Yeah. And then 1440, like that's
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  pretty 1440 would be, I would have thought going into this
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  year, the Australian record, right, I don't think no female,
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  Aussie female would run under 1440.
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  So that's moving. It's 5K times are ridiculous and
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  we'll see down below the lads times as well.
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  Like outrageous. I genuinely think this track is
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  short with some of the Times and PBS people.
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  Again, the men's 800 was won by an Irish guy, Kane Mcphillips
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  who ran 144 low. Second was Corinthian Le Slezio
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  from France who ran 144 and then third was Alex Bottle from the
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  UK who ran 145. Anton on that one ran.
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  I think those two British guys were trying to chase the
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  standard because they finished second and third in the
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  Nationals last week, but looks like they came up slightly short
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  although your boy got the standard.
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  Mcphillips yeah, I think he had it already.
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  He's flying right now. We'll go to the women's 1500.
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  It was won by Marina Mendez or Marina Martinez from Spain and
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  four O 3. Then second was Adele Gay from
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  France in four O 3 mid and 3rd was Marawa Buzani from Tunisia
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  who had four O 3, four O 3 high. Yeah, Sarah Claver was fourth
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  from the UK who ran four O 4 and she was chasing the standard of
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  four O 1. So she just misses out.
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  I've stitched you up. With these results here this
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  week, haven't I the? Names right the men's 1500
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  Kieran Lum from Canada won in 334 second was Henry Henry
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  Mcluckie from the UK in 334 mid and then third was Mark Tortel
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  from Germany who ran 335 low. Other notable mention was Tom
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  Keane who trains with Jake Whiteman from the UK.
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  He ran APB of 335, James McMurray from the UK who's a
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  Hoka athlete, he ran 337 which is APB, Shane Bracken from
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  Ireland around 337 and Callum Elson from the UK who is known
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  as like distance project. He ran a 337 as well, which was
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  a season's best, and then results have no impact on the.
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  Like men's UK 1500 meter team, which is Kurt Gurley and then
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  it's a toss up between Giles and Whiteman.
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  Next we'll go to the women's 800 who was who was won by Roca,
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  Ariola Sora from Spain. I've butchered that.
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  But yeah, 159 she ran Isabel Buffy from the UK ran 159 mid
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  and then Olivia Baker from the US ran 159 high.
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  Other noble mention from Australia was Tess Curtis up
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  call, she ran a 201 and Carly Thomas ran a 202.
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  Anything to add to that one, Ryan?
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  Yeah, so as you can tell, I'm not doing any running, so I'm
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  putting all my energy into the agenda notes for this Isabel
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  Buffy, who's finished second here.
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  I think that might be useful for her because it's a 15953, so
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  Keely will obviously get a spot. Georgia Hunter Bell, who won
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  nationals, she's still on the fence whether she does the 15 or
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  the 8. So there's potentially her spot
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  if she chooses to do the 15. And then Gemma Ricci has the
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  other spot. So that open one is between this
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  Isabel, Buffy and then Katie Snowden, Aaron Wallace, Abigail
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  lives all be down to selectors discretion.
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  So running sub two minutes here is going to do a no no harm
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  whatsoever for the Australian girls.
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  I think there's a little bit of too much depth ahead of them,
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  but useful runs nevertheless. Now we'll go to the men's 5000
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  meters, which was won by Cornelius Kemboy from Kenya in
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  1257. Second was Oscar Chilimo from
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  Uganda who ran at 12:58 and 3rd was Adrian Whittleshute from
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  South Africa who ran 1258 mid order.
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  Notable mention was Luis Grijalva, who's a HOKA athlete
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  who trains in America. He would have went to NAU, the
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  college over there. He 1258 mid and I think that's
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  his first race in the wild. I think it's been crucified
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  doing injuries. So for him to just knock out the
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  standard there is is good. And he runs for Guatemala.
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  And then on the Irish side, Dara Mcelhenny from Cork in Ireland,
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  he ran 12O2, which was, uh, I'm going to say 13 O2, Sorry,
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  sorry, sorry. Yeah, 13 O2, which is like a
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  massive PB, I think like a 13 second PB for him.
• 22:57
  And then he like Ireland have like different standards.
• 23:01
  So he's got the Irish standard now to go to worlds.
• 23:04
  Umm and then there was another guy, Nick Griggs, who had the
• 23:09
  park one world record for a while.
• 23:11
  He ran at 13 O 5, which again, massive PB for him.
• 23:16
  But yeah, like now that I think that moves Darryl Mcelhaney up
• 23:20
  to second all time on the Irish list and Nick Griggs is up to
• 23:23
  5th and Nick Griggs is like, I don't know if he's even 20 yet.
• 23:27
  So and Andy Bouchard ran 1337 in his first race in a while.
• 23:34
  Yes, when I was looking at this, they had, they actually had two
• 23:37
  5000 meter races and there's like about 50 athletes across
• 23:41
  the two of them. And usually when I see that
• 23:45
  there's like AB race, like no offense to those athletes who
• 23:48
  are 1,000,000 miles better than me, I won't look at the results
• 23:51
  because like the the main ones are in the A race.
• 23:54
  And then in this B race, you've got Andy, Andy Butcher, Alex Yi
• 23:59
  was in there running the 5000 meters.
• 24:02
  He's ran 1313, which is like, I just reckon that's remarkable
• 24:08
  considering his try background. And then OK, he's transitioned
• 24:11
  to running now, but doing a marathon to be able to run 1313
• 24:16
  / 5000 meters like we've seen earlier on.
• 24:19
  Was it Phil Sussman had a bit of a go on the track this year and
• 24:23
  broke around 1329 or something? Yeah, that's wheels from him.
• 24:29
  But yeah, so like, like the top ten in that first race ran
• 24:33
  between 12:57 and 13O2, which is absolute bonkers.
• 24:38
  Like, but yeah, the steeplechase.
• 24:43
  Oh, first round. Sorry, I was just going to ask
• 24:45
  Dean, have you got any context on those two Aussie fellas from
• 24:49
  the second race, Jackson Sharp, who's run 1313 and Toby Gillan,
• 24:55
  who ran 1316 as well? I've never really heard of them.
• 24:59
  I've not heard of Toby. I have heard of Jackson Sharp.
• 25:02
  I thought he was AUS college athlete.
• 25:05
  I'm not sure which college he represents, but yeah.
• 25:10
  Born in the year 2000. So what?
• 25:12
  What are they in 2001? So what's that, 2425?
• 25:16
  It's my yeah, there's guys out there running, running that fast
• 25:19
  and like, relatively unheard of. Well, the guy who won that first
• 25:23
  race was born in 2005, Herbert Kibet from Uganda.
• 25:28
  But yeah, anyway, men steeplechase which was pretty
• 25:33
  good. On the Aussie side the winner
• 25:36
  was Lewis Gilivert from France who ran 811.
• 25:41
  Then second was Baptiste Fourmont from France who ran 812
• 25:45
  low and then third was Estan Barros from Portugal who ran
• 25:50
  812.19 and it will mention Ed Trippus from Australia ran
• 25:56
  813.15 which is APB and a national record which is taking
• 26:03
  it from Sean Crichton who ran 816 and he also got the standard
• 26:08
  for the world's which was 815. Ben Buckingham ran 815.14, so
• 26:16
  he's like .14 of a second off the qualifying standard, which
• 26:20
  is very, it's a tough pill to swallow.
• 26:23
  And then Mattie Clark was 14th in 816, so that's savage running
• 26:30
  from the Aussies. I'd love to say that.
• 26:32
  Have you seen if that race is available to?
• 26:35
  It was behind the paywall. Yeah, like all of them running
• 26:38
  that fast within what, 5 seconds between 1st and 14th?
• 26:42
  What has what has Beamish run? I thought maybe like 809 just
• 26:49
  sort of guess something like that.
• 26:50
  Like I don't think he's got that close to 8 minutes.
• 26:53
  But that's crazy. He's not that far off.
• 26:55
  He's an on athlete, isn't he? Yeah.
• 26:57
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I had.
• 27:01
  I caught up with Raff this morning and he was telling me
• 27:04
  that the greenies over there and like Greenie like kind of looks
• 27:08
  after Ed and stuff now. So like, not a bad start to the
• 27:12
  career, like getting a quick national record out the way.
• 27:15
  No, that's unreal. Does it doesn't show his age?
• 27:17
  He's not he's, I'd say he's around our age, is he?
• 27:19
  Yeah, I reckon mid 20s if not early.
• 27:22
  February had done, but yeah, that's that race.
• 27:25
  Guys. There's something in the water
• 27:26
  in Belgium. There's so many fast races over
• 27:29
  there. You'll have to come over.
• 27:31
  I'm I'll hopefully do this one next year or something like
• 27:33
  that. Might break 13 by the looks of
• 27:35
  it. So I'll have to go scroll into
• 27:38
  the to the G race for your results.
• 27:43
  Ouch. It's all right.
• 27:45
  I wouldn't get in on the prelim. I don't think I would either
• 27:49
  looking at the times, but yeah, that's the results.
• 27:52
  That that staple Chase record, that was the staple Chase
• 27:56
  record, as you mentioned, sort of stood for a long time.
• 27:59
  And Shaw Crichton's probably one of the most light decorated
• 28:02
  Australian distance runners. So like a pretty special record.
• 28:05
  I think to see full like he, I think he's been quite the
• 28:09
  advocate for Australian distance running.
• 28:12
  I think he's been and maybe still is like part of the panel
• 28:15
  of selectors or involved in that capacity.
• 28:18
  He came over and ran the Perth Marathon in 2018.
• 28:24
  I think it was chasing like an Australian masters record.
• 28:29
  Still very fit, fit dude was running.
• 28:31
  I think he won the quite certainly won the Perth marathon
• 28:35
  that year as well. Catched up a few.
• 28:37
  It's crazy that. So that's 1993.
• 28:40
  And then like there last night, two people beat it.
• 28:43
  Like Ben Buckingham went under it as well.
• 28:45
  So yeah, yeah, I. Mean, like we say that's yeah,
• 28:48
  that's that's seriously fast, isn't it?
• 28:50
  Like, I mean, 8 meters at 8 minutes is like the magical
• 28:54
  time, isn't it? Do you remember Evan Jagger?
• 28:57
  I think was I think going to break 8 minutes and fell on the
• 29:00
  last staple I think. But that's sort of like the best
• 29:04
  the best times I think I can remember.
• 29:06
  It's crazy that they. Run that like while jumping
• 29:08
  hurdles. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:13
  So that Ben Buckingham. I think he trains with MCC,
• 29:15
  doesn't he? I'm not sure about Matthew Claw.
• 29:18
  Matthew Clarke's. SA SA where team Tampa, we think
• 29:22
  isn't he Oh shit, so and then you've.
• 29:24
  Got Ed trippers with on Oceana so it's like 3 different
• 29:28
  Australian like training groups there.
• 29:29
  Yeah. So yeah, George.
• 29:31
  Pemish has run 809.64 and that's the area record, so those guys
• 29:36
  are pretty close to that. They're not far off at.
• 29:39
  Like just and again, another good race with El Bakali in it
• 29:42
  or something and you're nearly there.
• 29:45
  That's cool. So that's the results.
• 29:47
  Round off, I don't know if yeah, if both of you guys want to go
• 29:51
  through your training this week or or what.
• 29:54
  I conscious I haven't really said anything for a little
• 29:56
  while, so I was going to not tell you anything about
• 29:59
  training. Well, actually maybe a little
• 30:00
  bit, but I've got a few funny stories from from this week's
• 30:04
  escapades if if you'll listen to.
• 30:09
  Go over it, look forward to it. The first.
• 30:12
  One, it's actually not that funny.
• 30:14
  Maybe in a few days it'll be funny, but right now I was a
• 30:16
  little bit raw still. So this comes from this morning.
• 30:20
  I was on the bike and this podcast almost wasn't happening
• 30:24
  because somehow I've walked away with just a few cuts and
• 30:27
  scratches, but I got cleaned out by a youth.
• 30:30
  What, you know, Well, listeners won't know, but you guys might.
• 30:35
  Also, I'll try and keep it contextual for everyone.
• 30:37
  So the road we live on is kind of like a main road through the
• 30:40
  city. So it's coming down Adelaide
• 30:42
  Terrace past the Balti Indian restaurant.
• 30:46
  Not that that matters, but essentially a guy on the other
• 30:49
  side of the road was at a set of lights and he was turning right.
• 30:53
  So like crossing ahead of me as I'm heading just straight down
• 30:57
  this road. I'm on green light, green light,
• 30:59
  green light. And next minute I just see this
• 31:01
  guy just start to start his turn right across me.
• 31:05
  I'm like, oh shit, what am I going to do?
• 31:06
  Like you haven't got much time to think of.
• 31:08
  Yeah. And then so just slammed on the
• 31:10
  brakes because I was going like, I was given it a nudge.
• 31:15
  It hasn't stopped. It's just started skidding.
• 31:18
  And thankfully I managed to like twist the bike slightly.
• 31:23
  So rather than go like straight into him of like, you know, like
• 31:26
  went into it with my shoulder. And also thankfully he got
• 31:30
  further past me so that he wasn't making front on contact
• 31:34
  with me, rather I was going into the side of his thing.
• 31:37
  And then I've went fucking flying, got up obviously like
• 31:42
  what? What the hell has just gone on?
• 31:44
  Like start shouting. I'm a bit like it was on green
• 31:46
  light, like what were you playing at?
• 31:48
  And thankfully as well, there's a couple of pedestrians around
• 31:51
  and they, when this guy, I think he was like Italian, to be fair,
• 31:54
  he was probably full of shock and adrenaline as well because
• 31:57
  he obviously didn't see me otherwise he wouldn't have gone.
• 32:00
  So he's like, something's just smacked into the side of my car
• 32:04
  and he's shouting at me. And then these pedestrians have
• 32:07
  been like, no, it's like green light.
• 32:08
  Like did you not see him? Like what are you not looking?
• 32:11
  Blah blah. And I was obviously like shaking
• 32:15
  of off adrenaline. So straightaway I didn't know
• 32:17
  like if anything seriously had happened.
• 32:20
  But thankfully nothing seems to materialize.
• 32:23
  So got away with 1. So he didn't.
• 32:26
  Check his like right hand mirror to see you coming now.
• 32:29
  So he's. Looking straight ahead at me
• 32:32
  essentially as I'm coming towards him, he's just turned
• 32:35
  right and hasn't seen me coming down the road.
• 32:37
  Somehow there's no cars, bikes a little bit.
• 32:41
  Well I didn't even look at it to be fair.
• 32:42
  I see in the the tape wrap on the bars was all ripped and
• 32:47
  stuff but hopefully cosmetically it's not got too much damage
• 32:51
  because I. Remember, I used to, like, cycle
• 32:54
  when I was injured here and a car, like, shoved me into a curb
• 32:58
  and I fell and like, I buckled myself, like, cut all the hands
• 33:01
  and then like, you have to like, carry the bike home.
• 33:04
  My bike was fucked. So yeah, it's because you don't
• 33:08
  realize how fast you're going on the bike.
• 33:11
  Like, you could be going, let's say, like 3035 kilometers an
• 33:14
  hour. And when you fall off like there
• 33:16
  is serious momentum behind you and the fact that you like went
• 33:20
  into a fucking Ute shit that could have been bad his.
• 33:25
  His you had the big, big hole in it from where my big broad
• 33:29
  shoulders just nailed it. I'd love to see the.
• 33:33
  Italian and a lad from Merseyside talk.
• 33:37
  The language barrier would have been terrible.
• 33:41
  Yeah, the Australians. Were translating.
• 33:46
  You didn't get his details, He just left it at that.
• 33:48
  Yeah, no the. The standards by were like
• 33:51
  taking photos of like his Reg and novels stood there and that
• 33:54
  because I just didn't really know what was going on.
• 33:57
  They got his number, they got my number and like they sent it all
• 33:59
  through. So like really grateful for
• 34:01
  them. But yeah, thankfully I don't
• 34:04
  think I'm not going to do anything with it because I'm not
• 34:06
  really here properly. So and by the end of it he was
• 34:10
  coming to like, oh, I just didn't see you and stuff type of
• 34:13
  thing like eventually took some like ownership for it.
• 34:17
  So I appreciate he was like very shocked in the first instance as
• 34:21
  well. It's just one of them.
• 34:23
  Luckily, nothing else. Comfort, not much he.
• 34:26
  Can do that close to home either, like in terms of because
• 34:28
  there are some really good paths around Perth, you know, those
• 34:32
  pass it, run parallel with some of the major like arterial roads
• 34:37
  that you can ride on to avoid because that's the hard part.
• 34:39
  You're not at fault there, but you're the one that's going to
• 34:42
  be always be worse off, right. So you're sort of the danger of
• 34:45
  cycling, you know, whether or not there's footpaths you can
• 34:50
  find. Yeah.
• 34:52
  It's annoying as well because I'd literally done my longest
• 34:54
  ride this morning which like cyclists are triathlete to laugh
• 34:57
  at. Was 53 K, but I was coming home
• 35:00
  all smoke like nice Sunday long ride then blah blah, blah along
• 35:05
  all those the river paths and stuff.
• 35:07
  Like it's it was such a nice day as well because it's been wet a
• 35:10
  lot. And then yeah.
• 35:12
  But the the the other funny story to lift the mood slightly
• 35:18
  was in my absence of running, Becky is noticed like I've run
• 35:23
  out of excuses to like stay no to go into bloody Pilates.
• 35:26
  So she's cashed in on the fact that I'm not running.
• 35:29
  So yeah, yesterday I finally caved and we went to this strong
• 35:34
  Pilates like a bloody mad cult in there.
• 35:38
  All these girls and stuff were like insanely strong and
• 35:44
  cardiovascular fit on these. So it's like a reformer Pilates
• 35:47
  machine with either a bike egg or a rower on the end of it.
• 35:52
  And then they've got racks of dumbbells.
• 35:54
  So you go from the reformer like pulling your glutes and your
• 35:58
  hamstring everywhere, jump on a bike and smash 20 calories, and
• 36:02
  then you doing all these cleaning jerks with the
• 36:04
  dumbbell. Anyway, first exercise doing
• 36:08
  glute bridges. Just.
• 36:13
  Imagine. I pay to see this.
• 36:16
  Oh my God. Yeah, you don't even know what
• 36:18
  I'm. Going to say yes, yeah, but
• 36:20
  you're just the. Visual of you is probably.
• 36:25
  Almost enough. So she gets us warming up, doing
• 36:31
  glute bridges on this reformer because there was two of us.
• 36:36
  It was like you shared one reformer.
• 36:38
  So whilst I'm doing something, Becky's not, so she's just stood
• 36:41
  there, I'm doing me glute bridge.
• 36:43
  And then she like says to me, have you been the toilet?
• 36:47
  And I'm like glute bridged off like she's like, you sure to
• 36:53
  have you been the toilet? And then there's a big massive
• 36:57
  long mirror right in front of us.
• 36:58
  So I just look down and see this mark on my shorts.
• 37:02
  I've got a pair of like light grey shorts on as well.
• 37:06
  And I just looked and said I'm going to have to go.
• 37:09
  So I walked out the class, out the session and into the
• 37:12
  bathroom. I'm trying to figure out what it
• 37:14
  is like giving it a sniff and like, can't be.
• 37:19
  And then thankfully I realized it was.
• 37:22
  It was like ground coffee. I'd sat in it, but it was like
• 37:26
  right on the crotch there. So I missed.
• 37:30
  Like the 1st 10 minutes because I have my shorts in the sink
• 37:33
  scrubbing it and then to make it even, to cap it off, went back
• 37:41
  in. And then the reformer, the the
• 37:45
  end of it, what your feet slide on is multifunctional in that
• 37:49
  that becomes the seat of a rower.
• 37:50
  You know what I mean? Goes forwards and backwards.
• 37:53
  So then I've been like, OK, let's get on with this class sat
• 37:56
  on their rowing. And because it's part of the
• 37:59
  reformer to have it static and fixed in, you can lock it or
• 38:04
  then to make it the rower, you can unlock it and it slides
• 38:06
  forward and backwards. And as I've slid in, it's like
• 38:09
  locked in. I've went to pull back with the
• 38:12
  rower and because of the friction between this leather
• 38:17
  seat and my shorts, my shorts have stayed where they are.
• 38:21
  My arts has come out of them and fell onto the floor.
• 38:27
  On the row with. My arse hanging out of it and I
• 38:30
  was just like, Oh my God, I'm this just isn't meant to be.
• 38:33
  I'm going to Oh, Ryan. Oh my God.
• 38:40
  I wish I was there. So will you be back?
• 38:44
  What did? Becky say.
• 38:45
  That was a tech box. Exercise.
• 38:47
  We're done. She's like it's I promise it
• 38:49
  won't be this bad next time. Well, it can't get any.
• 38:52
  Worse. Well, this is true.
• 38:54
  Did you get a good workout? From it you feel activated, feel
• 38:57
  more mobile. Oh my, hamstrings on fire.
• 39:01
  It's highlighted all. The weaknesses, which is every
• 39:04
  single muscle in my body was your you.
• 39:07
  Have to. Yeah, was your.
• 39:10
  Achilles alright doing it and I'll Oh no.
• 39:12
  So that's the other. Thing you have to, because it's
• 39:14
  reformer. You barefoot.
• 39:16
  Well, you have to grip socks on. So I was very paranoid about
• 39:21
  that. Yeah.
• 39:21
  I wasn't very comfortable, counterproductive even.
• 39:27
  Other than that, you had a good week.
• 39:29
  Other than that. Successful week, training loads
• 39:31
  up and chorus says optimized. So still still moving in the
• 39:36
  right direction somehow. The little chorus man.
• 39:39
  'S starting to starting to crawl.
• 39:41
  Yeah, he's just got a brown stained pair of shorts around
• 39:45
  his ankles this week, I believe that day you can talk some
• 39:51
  actual running, please. I can maybe take it out.
• 39:54
  Just a notch, but not by much. To be honest, my week was pretty
• 40:00
  after Sunday. I was a bit sore.
• 40:03
  I sort of have like I've had pain in my leg, right abdominal,
• 40:07
  lower abdominal area before and it's sort of.
• 40:10
  I could feel it going into Sunday's half marathon, but it
• 40:13
  was particularly bad, I think because it was quite wet and
• 40:15
  slippery didn't help. And I think I've aggravated
• 40:20
  something. And so yeah, I tried jogging to
• 40:24
  work on Monday. It didn't wasn't all that
• 40:26
  successful. I did get to and from the
• 40:28
  office, but not without it being still in a degree of pain.
• 40:31
  So I went and saw physio on Tuesday and it looks like it's
• 40:36
  some sort of like like sports hernia.
• 40:38
  I think is was the diagnosis. So some sort of abdominal
• 40:42
  weakness on like like lower, lower right hand side.
• 40:48
  I don't think it's new. It's just sort of the sorest.
• 40:51
  I've felt it before, which is a bit annoying.
• 40:53
  So yeah, I'm taking some anti inflammatories and try and sort
• 40:58
  of just, it meant that I would have got back into training on
• 41:01
  the Thursday, but sort of kept it until Saturday before I sort
• 41:05
  of got back into some form of training.
• 41:06
  So yeah, sort of jogged throughout the rest of the week.
• 41:10
  Sorry, Ron, is that something? You've dealt with in the past
• 41:13
  then this thing or not really. Yeah, so in. 2023 on or around
• 41:18
  Gold Coast. I had similar pain and went and
• 41:21
  got an MRI and it didn't show anything but certainly felt it.
• 41:25
  I haven't felt it this bad before.
• 41:28
  Yeah. And so, yeah, so it is something
• 41:30
  that I've dealt with. And when I was sort of chatting
• 41:32
  to Steve about it, he sort of mentioned that maybe around 80%
• 41:35
  of these sorts of injuries don't present on an MRI.
• 41:40
  So I didn't realize that at a time.
• 41:42
  So I sort of just previously dismissed it to being put it
• 41:45
  down to maybe or something less than maybe what it was for
• 41:49
  better, for worse. But I was able to train on it
• 41:51
  and to be honest, up until fairly recently, hadn't noticed
• 41:54
  the pain and then had sort of felt the pain getting worse.
• 41:58
  And then, yeah, after the race, like, I could feel it in the
• 42:01
  race on Sunday. You know, when you're racing, if
• 42:04
  you can feel pain while you're racing, you know, it must be
• 42:06
  pretty bad because normally as you sort of warm up and and
• 42:10
  putting in most pains sort of go away.
• 42:12
  You know, like all the niggles and stuff tend to fall away when
• 42:14
  you're sort of getting stuck in. So I knew when I was feeling it
• 42:17
  quite a bit in the race. So that's not good.
• 42:18
  And yeah, by Monday I was like pretty sore.
• 42:21
  But yeah, so I sort of, I'm hopeful that I can sort of
• 42:24
  manage it and get on top of it. I'm sort of was in the gym
• 42:27
  Monday night during doing some gym exercises.
• 42:29
  I haven't done gym in a while. And then did another sort of gym
• 42:32
  session at home during the week. So I'm trying to do all that
• 42:35
  sort of stuff that I'd normally neglect and then just jogging.
• 42:38
  And it did, it is starting to come good, I think.
• 42:41
  Well, it's certainly better than what it was, which is good.
• 42:45
  But you had a A tempo on Saturday morning, unhelpfully,
• 42:50
  it was in Kings Park. So nice that it sort of started
• 42:53
  uphill and felt fine on the uphill, like probably like 0 to
• 42:56
  one out of 10, Like it was sort of of the way, but nothing more.
• 43:00
  But then, yeah, coming down the hill, like aerobically, I felt
• 43:03
  really good. I was sort of wanting to press
• 43:04
  and get after it. I was like one of those mornings
• 43:06
  because I'd had five days of just jogging.
• 43:09
  I felt I was really looking forward to the session.
• 43:11
  But I just, it hurt. It was getting, the pain was
• 43:13
  getting worse. So I sort of only just did the
• 43:15
  30 minute tempo, didn't do any of the heel accelerations that
• 43:18
  normally follow, which is a bit annoying way to end the sort of
• 43:21
  workout. But did something, cooled down,
• 43:25
  went for a jog Saturday afternoon.
• 43:28
  It was felt, yeah, like one or two out of 10, which is good.
• 43:32
  And then, yeah, it did a couple of hours this morning, a bit
• 43:35
  similar, sort of one to two out of 10.
• 43:36
  Nothing substantial, so I'm hoping that it's something
• 43:39
  that'll just go resolve itself, but we'll see how we go.
• 43:42
  So yeah, 130 KS for the week and yeah, something to manage.
• 43:47
  But yeah, I'm hoping it's not anything that I have to get to
• 43:50
  be caught up with, are they? Hernias, can you get them like
• 43:53
  surgically removed people off the mouth or?
• 43:57
  I think like a traditional sort of, it's sort of like
• 44:01
  traditionally it's sort of like you've got really talking out of
• 44:05
  turn here, but I think you normally have like some sort of
• 44:07
  like hole in sort of your abdominal area, some sort of
• 44:10
  tear. And that's when like a more
• 44:12
  traditional 1, you sort of, you know, something could poke
• 44:15
  through. I think my understanding is this
• 44:17
  is more of sort of like a weakening of an area.
• 44:19
  I think you can get some sort of surgical procedure that puts
• 44:22
  some sort of mesh which sort of reinforces the sort of weakened
• 44:25
  area. So that's certainly, I know like
• 44:28
  like I know Nick's had Nick who used to run with front runner.
• 44:31
  He's had that in the past to sort of remedy his.
• 44:35
  He had like a more long term issue with it.
• 44:37
  I'm hopeful that this is something that I can sort of get
• 44:40
  on top of, but we'll see. So yeah, that's an option.
• 44:42
  That's something that's a path that I have to entertain maybe.
• 44:46
  So I might have to get an MRI in a week or two if I'm still in a
• 44:49
  fair degree of comfort, but we'll see. 130.
• 44:52
  K still good for a ninja's week. Thanks.
• 44:55
  Yeah, yeah, try and. Keep the ball rolling and like I
• 44:59
  tried. To allude to last Monday to you,
• 45:01
  but you, you weren't entertainer at the time.
• 45:03
  Like a damn week in the long run wouldn't have done you any harm
• 45:07
  really. As long as the injury doesn't
• 45:09
  like continue to be a problem. Yeah, that's right.
• 45:12
  Yeah, I just hate having time off, but yeah.
• 45:18
  Right. Over to Ireland now and I
• 45:22
  started off with so Monday was a bank holiday over here.
• 45:27
  So am I done 60 minutes in the morning, 13 kilometers and then
• 45:32
  in the evening I done 30 minutes with a few strides at the end of
• 45:36
  it feeling pretty good post post race.
• 45:40
  Then on Tuesday I had a 2 by so this sort of double threshold
• 45:45
  day. So I done 2 by 15 minutes in the
• 45:47
  morning and then in the evening I done 4 by 5 minutes.
• 45:53
  And I go to this place for my second session.
• 45:56
  It's like the village, like next to me and they have this sort of
• 45:59
  like 1K loop, but it must be the windiest place in the country.
• 46:04
  You get like halfway around the loop and you just met by like a
• 46:08
  massive headwind. So well, in the back of my mind,
• 46:11
  like I'm trying to hit these paces.
• 46:13
  Like I really have to take like the wind into consideration.
• 46:17
  But yeah, again, feeling all right.
• 46:20
  And like that was a massive day that was nearly 2 kilometers for
• 46:22
  the day between warm up and cool down.
• 46:24
  Do you find because? You know, off the back of a
• 46:27
  couple of good races getting fitter and you've been doing
• 46:30
  double threshold for a while. Do you find particularly on that
• 46:33
  second threshold, you're starting to get a bit more, a
• 46:36
  bit more willing and a bit more wanting to see some positive
• 46:39
  feedback when it comes to the splits and you're sort of
• 46:41
  wanting to push a bit I. Do and like I do and I don't
• 46:47
  like at the end of the day, like if my body doesn't want to go
• 46:50
  fast, like I'm not going to force it.
• 46:52
  Like if then paces feel good to me, yeah, I'll roll with them,
• 46:55
  but I'm not going to force it. And like I'm looking at the
• 46:59
  higher rate as well. And the higher rate is a massive
• 47:00
  indicator for me. So I'm again, just trying to
• 47:03
  keep it like mid one 70s for that second session.
• 47:06
  And if it's anywhere above that, even if the pace drops
• 47:08
  dramatically and I'll just drop it like it's not worth digging
• 47:12
  myself into a hole, especially like it's a big week this week,
• 47:15
  so don't want to burn out. Wednesday I done 75 minutes in
• 47:22
  the morning, which was 16 kilometers.
• 47:27
  And then in the evening I had my circus class.
• 47:32
  Thursday was like a sort of a midweek long run.
• 47:34
  So it was 90 minutes and after 30 minutes either pick up for 20
• 47:41
  minutes and then like return back to like the original pace.
• 47:47
  So yeah, 22 kilometers for that run.
• 47:52
  And I tried to drop it. Yeah, go on then.
• 47:54
  I think you were just going. To answer what I was going to
• 47:57
  ask. The goal for these ones is to
• 48:00
  like drop it down. So because of a 10 mile race
• 48:03
  coming up, like try and drop it down to a pace like close to
• 48:07
  race pace and now like I'll drop it down as much as I can.
• 48:11
  Like that feels comfortable to me, like like below a 310, like
• 48:16
  let's be real, like in a big heavy week, like that's not
• 48:18
  going to feel comfortable, which is ideally what I'd like to be
• 48:21
  racing at. So I think I dropped it down to
• 48:24
  like 3/23/22 or something like that.
• 48:29
  But and like that felt comfortable.
• 48:30
  Like I felt like that was like big pace, like a good pace for
• 48:34
  me. Umm, so yeah.
• 48:37
  And like in the back of my mind, like I have a rest day the next
• 48:40
  day. So like once I get through that
• 48:42
  Thursday morning session, umm, I'm sort of that's me done in
• 48:47
  the evening. Then I sort of went gym and I
• 48:49
  lifted that little bit heavier and then yeah, Friday totally
• 48:53
  off. And then Saturday, Saturdays are
• 48:57
  are hard. So the Saturday session was so
• 49:03
  15 minute one would cool down. It was 2 by 1 K.
• 49:07
  The one KS were in like around like 72 second laps.
• 49:11
  So yeah, I did. Is this is this at the are?
• 49:15
  You at the track on a on a Saturday?
• 49:16
  Yeah, I go to like a. Tartan track close to me, yeah.
• 49:20
  So yeah, 2 by 1K in around 3 minute pace, 72 second laps, and
• 49:24
  then I had 10 by 3000 just between them.
• 49:28
  One KS was 90 seconds then and I'd done them in the shoe I
• 49:32
  might wear for the race, which is the New Balance Super
• 49:38
  Complete V4 because I wore them for the half in Japan and then I
• 49:44
  wore them for that race Iran shit in in Tasmania.
• 49:48
  So now I'm like, do I want to wear them again?
• 49:51
  But like they're pretty fresh and I feel like it's just a
• 49:54
  waste of money if I like don't wear them.
• 49:56
  So I don't know, because I was talking to RAF about them and
• 50:00
  he's like for like the shortest shorter distances.
• 50:03
  Like they're really like a long distance shoe.
• 50:05
  So I don't know, like 16 kilometers.
• 50:08
  Is it long? What did you wear?
• 50:10
  What? Did you wear for that five mile
• 50:11
  race? You did.
• 50:13
  I wore. This Nike Streak flight which is
• 50:15
  like a 5K10K shoe OK. It's pretty minimal like you
• 50:19
  can. Feel the ground in a base, Yeah.
• 50:21
  And then like, realistically, I'll have like this race coming
• 50:25
  up next week and then I don't know when my next road race is
• 50:28
  going to be. So do I really want to cash out?
• 50:30
  I actually have a pair of old Nike Alpha flies, but I don't
• 50:36
  know if I want to use them up either.
• 50:38
  OK. Are you happy with this diet of
• 50:41
  them? You just don't know if you want
• 50:42
  if you're. I don't want to waste them.
• 50:44
  Yeah. None of us have.
• 50:46
  Tried those PMS of the I keep. I'm starting to see now like
• 50:49
  people are loving them. I'm torn.
• 50:51
  Between getting like a pair of them Pumas or like a pair of the
• 50:54
  ASIC one, the new ASIC. Yeah, exactly.
• 50:57
  Yeah, I can't just like the shoes are so expensive over
• 51:00
  here, lads. Like they're nearly €300, which
• 51:03
  if you put that on to Aussie dollar, it's like 500 odd, like
• 51:05
  more than $500. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 51:08
  It's crazy. Like I.
• 51:09
  Haven't paid full price for a shoe over here.
• 51:11
  I just go to like Nike outlet and buy a cheap pair of shoes.
• 51:14
  Like I just can't justify. You should have brought more
• 51:17
  shoes. And shipped them home.
• 51:18
  I know and I actually. Bought a pair of them, you got
• 51:21
  one. Suitcase full, I bought a.
• 51:25
  Pair of the Puma Velocity fours, they're like sort of a, a
• 51:30
  lightweight daily trainer, sort of minimal enough sort of shoe.
• 51:33
  And like, I really like it. But like, I've done one run in
• 51:37
  it and like a part of the Puma start coming off and I was on
• 51:42
  about, I contacted the people that I bought the shoe off and
• 51:45
  they're like, all right, you're going to have to, you're going
• 51:48
  to have to like box it up and send it back to us.
• 51:51
  And I'm like, well, it's sort of like, not my fault that it's
• 51:54
  like a manufacturer issue because I made-up that I live in
• 51:56
  the middle. Well, I do live in the middle of
• 51:58
  fucking nowhere. But then I'd have to go out and
• 52:01
  buy a box and then go to the post office and like it troll me
• 52:04
  so much out of my way. So they're like, no, that's the
• 52:07
  only thing you can do. So I'm just literally wearing a
• 52:09
  pair of like broken Pima shoes now because I've paid the money
• 52:12
  for them, but I think they're not too bad.
• 52:14
  They were like €110, which yeah, which is all right.
• 52:19
  But. Like it's just annoying like all
• 52:21
  them super shoes are so expensive.
• 52:23
  How did the Super compilates? Feel when you did the K reps in
• 52:27
  them like they felt. They feel good, but yeah, they
• 52:30
  feel good. And then I switched to the Rebel
• 52:32
  like for my 300 reps 10 by 300 off 60 seconds.
• 52:36
  And I'd done them in around high 48 low 40 nines.
• 52:40
  And like, I can like, you feel a massive difference going from
• 52:45
  the Super Oh yeah to. The rebel your.
• 52:47
  Legs are like what the hell yeah so like it did feel good.
• 52:53
  I'm just afraid to wear them now since I ran shit in them in
• 52:56
  Tasmania. So I don't know what to do or I
• 52:59
  could go for the Nike ones, but I just might beat up my legs a
• 53:03
  lot because like 16 K like it is a it is a bit.
• 53:08
  Do you remember how you pulled up?
• 53:09
  After the 10 1/2 marathon running in the Super complex.
• 53:14
  Oh yeah, I feel. Grand, it's just they're super,
• 53:15
  super soft. Like I sort of like feeling the
• 53:17
  ground. I like I love them.
• 53:19
  Nike Streak flies 'cause you can actually feel the ground.
• 53:21
  That's what I'd be really tempted.
• 53:23
  I'd be really tempted to try and the Brooks one that Jake wears
• 53:26
  because he was like, it's more of like an old school, like you
• 53:28
  can feel the ground and then and so, yeah, when you're thinking
• 53:33
  about. Those streak flies.
• 53:35
  I mean, you might think differently, but we have to
• 53:37
  consider that 16 K, although it's kind of in the middle of
• 53:41
  10K and half marathon, it's probably closer to half marathon
• 53:44
  than 10K still, isn't it? Yeah, exactly.
• 53:46
  Which is. Why?
• 53:47
  I'm really torn. I don't know.
• 53:49
  Go barefoot maybe? Well, either way you've.
• 53:52
  Given yourself an excuse if it goes wrong, yeah.
• 53:58
  Anyway, back to Saturday. So yeah, I done 10 by 300 and
• 54:02
  off 60 seconds recovery. And then I had two by one K at
• 54:06
  the end and I sort of had like free reign to sort of push it a
• 54:09
  little bit. And yeah, I sort of popped.
• 54:15
  The first one was in. Wait, let me get it up here.
• 54:19
  The first one was in, I think I hit like 250 per kilometer.
• 54:23
  And then the second one, like I could feel the last sort of like
• 54:27
  200. I was just like being shocked by
• 54:29
  that lactic sniper. Did you?
• 54:34
  No. No, I've got 1 bike carb left,
• 54:36
  so I'm sort of saving it for the race of the weekend.
• 54:39
  Yeah. And so yeah, I done 250 and then
• 54:42
  the last Rep was a 256. So ideally they were going to be
• 54:46
  in like 240, like 240 minutes. But yeah, I just had nothing
• 54:51
  like going through 400 of that last Rep.
• 54:53
  I was like, this is going to be so unlike my coaches, I I had 90
• 54:57
  seconds between the reps and he's like, I'll give you 2
• 54:59
  minutes. And I was like, yeah, that, that
• 55:02
  extra. 30. Seconds.
• 55:03
  Yeah, Extra seconds going to nothing.
• 55:04
  It's going to prolong the suffering.
• 55:06
  So I'm flooded, Yeah. Going through the four. 100 I
• 55:09
  was like, oh, this is going to be so painful.
• 55:11
  But yeah, I tried to hold it together, but like AK were to
• 55:15
  work, which is yeah, I was like again, like it was not wasn't
• 55:19
  like out of the park sort of session, but it's like AB plus
• 55:23
  session so I can't really complain.
• 55:25
  And that evening I got out undone like 45 minutes easy.
• 55:28
  And then this morning was a relatively big one.
• 55:31
  I had two hours. After 45 minutes, I had to pick
• 55:38
  it up for 20, and then I'd get back down to my normal pace and
• 55:42
  then for the last 15 minutes I picked up again.
• 55:45
  It's sort of a similar situation to Thursday for them pickups
• 55:48
  just to find like a nice pace. So yeah, I think I was sitting
• 55:51
  like around 3 twenties, 320 mid again for them.
• 55:55
  So that was two hours, 30.9 kilometers, average base of 353,
• 56:01
  which it's always nice when you get under the four minute
• 56:03
  barrier for them. Long runs are you when you're.
• 56:07
  Out doing these big like long loops around yours, are you
• 56:10
  seeing many other runners so the.
• 56:12
  One, the midweek one, I do it like around where I live, so I
• 56:16
  see basically no one, just few cars.
• 56:19
  But for that one this morning, I don't know.
• 56:22
  In the Phoenix Park in Dublin and guys, it was Dublin markings
• 56:27
  coming up. So every, there was so many
• 56:30
  people out running. It was really, really cool to
• 56:32
  see. And what's the commute from?
• 56:34
  Yours to Phoenix Park also around like 40.
• 56:37
  Minutes. Not too bad.
• 56:39
  No, it's not the worst. And like that I'd done the race
• 56:41
  loop that is next week when you go in there.
• 56:43
  Would you not be able to find people to do it with?
• 56:47
  I do when I was going. To text my mate to get on the
• 56:49
  bike and but that some of the lads were that like basically,
• 56:54
  this is going to seem really sad, but I very little running
• 56:56
  friends in Ireland and especially with the long run,
• 57:00
  like some people just go out and do the long run because I've
• 57:03
  pickups in it. It's just, it's just awkward
• 57:05
  sell. Yeah.
• 57:07
  So when you carry in them. Boiled eggs doesn't help either.
• 57:12
  Boiled eggs are in the booty car.
• 57:14
  Oh yeah. And then after the run, during
• 57:15
  the run, I gels just to keep me filled up.
• 57:19
  And then after the run, yeah, chocolate milk, 2 boiled eggs
• 57:22
  and them some rice pudding. But yeah, I had, I bought this
• 57:27
  little like camping chair and I have it in my boot of the car.
• 57:31
  So like after like I sort of bring it to the track unless at
• 57:34
  the weekend or like for the likes that I just whip out the
• 57:38
  chair and just put my feet up in the boot of the car and just
• 57:40
  like chill for a minute because I was fairly, umm, beat up from
• 57:44
  that run. And I wore like the ASIC Noble
• 57:46
  Blast, which is like it's like sort of a daily trainer, but it
• 57:51
  wouldn't it beat up your legs that a little bit more than the
• 57:53
  Super Blast. Like I have a pair of Super
• 57:55
  Blast there, but they're sort of getting yeah, why wouldn't you
• 57:58
  go the. Super blast instead of the so I
• 58:01
  was talking. To I was talking to he goes, you
• 58:04
  know, this person that is really good at running on YouTube, on
• 58:07
  Instagram, and I was asking him about shoes and he was saying
• 58:13
  that you'd be better off if you can hold a handle it.
• 58:16
  You're better off doing a long run in, let's say, like a Nike
• 58:20
  Romero 17 and work working their legs that little bit more, even
• 58:25
  if it means you can't hit the paces.
• 58:28
  Like let's say if I was wearing a pair of super shoes there
• 58:30
  today, like I probably could have hitting them, hitting my
• 58:33
  pickups like a lot faster. But because I'm in a shoe that
• 58:36
  sort of works the legs more. Like when I get into the Super
• 58:39
  shoes, I should feel like the benefits, like it's sort of like
• 58:41
  hardening up my legs in tearing. Well, in my head, that's the way
• 58:44
  it works. So yeah, I've started doing all
• 58:47
  my long runs and sort of just like basic shoes and I always
• 58:50
  find that. Interesting that logic, because
• 58:51
  you aren't you introducing potentially more risk I suppose
• 58:55
  taking there's. Definitely pros and cons to it
• 58:58
  like and like shoes have come on so much that like the good shoes
• 59:02
  are there, so why shouldn't I use them?
• 59:04
  And like that's 142 kilometers for the week.
• 59:07
  So like that was a big week. So like I'd be on my legs a lot.
• 59:11
  So in theory, I probably should have wore the Super blasts just
• 59:14
  like give my legs that a little bit more.
• 59:16
  But like I'm going to have a down time now and probably 2-3
• 59:19
  weeks. So I don't know, I'll see how I
• 59:22
  feel like tomorrow morning, tomorrow morning, like I'll
• 59:25
  probably just plod, plod along just and like Tuesday's double
• 59:29
  threshold, I'll be like super conservative because it has been
• 59:32
  a massive week. So how you feeling because.
• 59:35
  You've done some like quality in pretty much most days of this
• 59:38
  week as well, right? Yeah, sprinkled in a little
• 59:40
  quality. In a lot of places and like this
• 59:44
  morning, I felt really poppy. So I just really just need to
• 59:47
  take the recovery pretty seriously.
• 59:49
  Like I was going to do sauna there tonight, but it's sort of
• 59:52
  putting your body through more stress.
• 59:54
  Like the sauna is like your heart rate's getting up.
• 59:56
  It's probably put more stress in the body that I don't need.
• 59:58
  So I'm just going to chill out. I've got a sort of a garage
• 1:00:01
  renovation to do so. I'm trying to put a gym in a
• 1:00:04
  garage, so I have to clean that out because the mornings and the
• 1:00:09
  evenings are getting dark here. So I'll try to put a treadmill,
• 1:00:13
  put a treadmill in there. So so it's made for winter.
• 1:00:16
  But yeah, good week. He was just.
• 1:00:19
  Telling me about his budget for this treadmill Before we before
• 1:00:21
  you got on, Dean. Wait, actually, Dean?
• 1:00:24
  What would you spend on a treadmill if you're going to use
• 1:00:26
  it like every day, nearly twice a day for the next like 6
• 1:00:29
  months? If you're in my situation.
• 1:00:32
  What's it? I think you'd struggle to get
• 1:00:34
  anything under a couple of €1000, wouldn't you?
• 1:00:36
  I was thinking 4. Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  Actually, that would be probably what what it would cost because
• 1:00:42
  you nearly need. Like one of them commercial ones
• 1:00:44
  that can go pretty fast. I ended up getting one that.
• 1:00:47
  Was like an old gym, like it was from a hotel that had been
• 1:00:51
  refurbed, but it was like one of the from its day, you know, one
• 1:00:56
  that can and go, you know well north of 20 KS an hour and
• 1:01:00
  that's what you want. They're hard to.
• 1:01:01
  Find like you know, you want one that can go 25 like just to be
• 1:01:05
  able to like do strides on it and I'll but yeah, like Jim like
• 1:01:09
  a closed down gym might be selling 1.
• 1:01:11
  So I'll just keep an eye out on that or if anyone from Ireland
• 1:01:14
  is listening knows anyone selling a pretty decent
• 1:01:16
  treadmill, hit me up or if you're.
• 1:01:19
  Based worldwide. Then you'll be able to ship it
• 1:01:21
  to him for less than his budget. Still get in touch.
• 1:01:26
  Yeah, we greatly appreciate. It maybe the.
• 1:01:29
  Customs and import taxes on a treadmill might be severely high
• 1:01:33
  though. Yeah, especially.
• 1:01:34
  That's it coming from the UK has messed up so much.
• 1:01:38
  Like I was looking January man, Ben is running, he released
• 1:01:41
  socks there with a brand called Shoe and I was trying to like
• 1:01:45
  get a pair of socks right. So the socks are like €22 but
• 1:01:50
  then the shipping from England is like €17.00, which is it's
• 1:01:54
  like you'd nearly pay a flight for £17.00 to go over, get them
• 1:02:00
  off and personally and fly back over for that price.
• 1:02:03
  You know there's. There's a listener, junkyard dog
• 1:02:06
  Corey. He's like, I don't know what his
• 1:02:08
  role is, but he's involved with them, like the owners, his mates
• 1:02:12
  and he's maybe like random ambassador type.
• 1:02:14
  They've started, signed a few athletes.
• 1:02:16
  Have you seen this? Yeah, but I don't feel like
• 1:02:18
  racing for them. Yeah, but he.
• 1:02:21
  He might be able. To sort it out with some
• 1:02:23
  shipping or something, at least if he's listening.
• 1:02:26
  So I was going to mention him before, you know, when you said
• 1:02:29
  about your camping chair in the car?
• 1:02:31
  Yeah, I. Would roam with him in.
• 1:02:33
  Melbourne and he had like one of these big old youths and he used
• 1:02:36
  to have all sorts in the back of it, like he had the frisbee and
• 1:02:39
  everything. So like whilst people are doing
• 1:02:41
  the shoes first, he's like got this frisbee out and he's got a
• 1:02:44
  fussy in there and he's got a roll of Astroturf.
• 1:02:49
  So he gets this roll out. You know, if we're like in like
• 1:02:51
  a gravel car park and it's wet, he's got roll of Astroturf.
• 1:02:55
  So if he's like lying down doing the stretches, he's on that.
• 1:02:59
  And in. Albert Park, he's you go around
• 1:03:02
  Albert Park once and he gets like 10 shouts like yeah,
• 1:03:05
  junkyard, junkyard. He's like infamous and just on.
• 1:03:10
  Them shoe socks I got them I got a three pair of white ones and a
• 1:03:14
  three pair of black ones. I'm going to say two years ago
• 1:03:17
  and they're still going today. Not one hole in them, which is
• 1:03:20
  it's crazy. They're they're like legit and
• 1:03:23
  they match all the shoes, which is nice.
• 1:03:26
  The guy who. Owns it.
• 1:03:27
  He's English but now lives in Australia I think.
• 1:03:31
  Yeah, no. Good.
• 1:03:32
  All right then. Oh, actually did want to say as
• 1:03:34
  well. Whilst we were on the training,
• 1:03:37
  I got into a couple of races on the bike this week.
• 1:03:39
  I don't know if the other guys knew that we were racing, but I
• 1:03:42
  thought that we were It's it's the first time that like I've
• 1:03:50
  experienced this whilst being on the bike.
• 1:03:52
  So like 1 fella passed me, I thought I'm gone.
• 1:03:57
  So I like got on his wheel and then I don't think he really
• 1:04:00
  like when he realized I was doing it, he wasn't like kind of
• 1:04:03
  interested. So like he just slowed down and
• 1:04:06
  let me go past. But then there's another two
• 1:04:08
  occasions where I went past people and they jumped on my
• 1:04:13
  wheel. So I was like shit there we go.
• 1:04:16
  And I was trying this group of like 3 fellas.
• 1:04:20
  They were all in like the lycra and stuff and clearly like
• 1:04:23
  better cyclists than I but I was trying so hard to drop them for
• 1:04:28
  like 5 KS. Looked at my heart rate
• 1:04:30
  afterwards, had my heart rate heart rate thing on.
• 1:04:33
  I hit 174 which is like way above threshold for me.
• 1:04:38
  I couldn't get rid of them. Come here.
• 1:04:41
  How many hours? Are you doing on the bike?
• 1:04:44
  Maybe maybe 90 minutes a day average, something like that.
• 1:04:50
  Do you know? Actually Caleb Blacker, if he's
• 1:04:54
  been doing like 2 1/2 hours, 3 hours, No guys, he does
• 1:04:58
  literally like nearly six hours a day cross training crazy shit.
• 1:05:03
  I don't know what his. Injuries, but like fair play,
• 1:05:05
  like, you know, some kind of mental training that.
• 1:05:08
  Is like I've just found. It enough to like kind of take
• 1:05:14
  over get some of those like shit.
• 1:05:17
  What's the chemical that releases that makes you feel
• 1:05:19
  good after exercise? Endorphin.
• 1:05:21
  Yeah, some of those. Endorphins, but besides that
• 1:05:24
  it's more like a tick box to just sweat.
• 1:05:26
  I couldn't be on there for like hours and hours.
• 1:05:28
  But he'll he'll obviously feel the benefits when it comes back
• 1:05:32
  to running. Are you still getting that
• 1:05:33
  treatment thing? Well, I.
• 1:05:35
  Stopped because the doctor said, oh, you've stopped feeling like
• 1:05:39
  the pain now. So this is like where we like
• 1:05:41
  ease off it. But then when I stopped the
• 1:05:44
  pains come back on. So I've booked them for another
• 1:05:47
  MRI to see where we're at. Refs tell tell me I need to stop
• 1:05:52
  being so anxious and jumping from practitioner to
• 1:05:56
  practitioner and like seeking answers.
• 1:05:59
  Just give it time and let it do its thing and shift your focus
• 1:06:03
  into other things and it'll come to you.
• 1:06:06
  So it's very rough explanation, but it actually sounds very
• 1:06:10
  logical and I do need to do that.
• 1:06:13
  That's, yes, the worst thing. Because like especially even
• 1:06:15
  when you come back from injury, you're like waiting for the pain
• 1:06:18
  to come and like sometimes it's literally just in your head as
• 1:06:22
  well. Not saying it's in your head,
• 1:06:23
  but it's near. The psychological battle is like
• 1:06:26
  nearly worse then actually the healing of the injury.
• 1:06:29
  So if I get. This scan now and see that
• 1:06:31
  either the plantar isn't inflamed or the stressy seems to
• 1:06:36
  have like gone away and it's just the plantar.
• 1:06:38
  I just want to see like one of the two has healed and I can
• 1:06:42
  deal with that. There's some progress.
• 1:06:46
  But yeah, anyway, we'll I'll update you after the scan.
• 1:06:52
  Otherwise, lean into the pro cyclist life because you have my
• 1:06:56
  budget for a bike. I'd have to be similar to your
• 1:06:58
  budget for a treadmill thing. Get one.
• 1:07:01
  Off Tommy Cross. He's got a few good bikes there.
• 1:07:05
  Well, see, I'm learning. All these things all about frame
• 1:07:08
  size, so I need the big capacity frame.
• 1:07:10
  Size, it's crazy. Some of them bikes have like
• 1:07:15
  touch gears that you like touch them and like it's like, yeah,
• 1:07:19
  you touch it and it changes gears instead of physically like
• 1:07:22
  flicking the switch like it's just touched.
• 1:07:23
  They're so high tech now, like an F1 star.
• 1:07:26
  Yeah, this is the other thing. Right up until today, I hadn't
• 1:07:30
  changed the gear once because I didn't know how to I have to ask
• 1:07:35
  RAF to show me so because it's got those drop bars, you know
• 1:07:39
  like the arrow bars where you go down onto your forearms.
• 1:07:42
  So this I thought the gears are usually on the brake and like
• 1:07:46
  you push them inwards rather than pull them towards you
• 1:07:50
  because got these arrow bars. It's like this mad crank on the
• 1:07:53
  end of it and you have to really like give it some.
• 1:07:57
  So I'd literally haven't changed the gear once until today.
• 1:08:01
  It's like you've levelled up. Quads of steel.
• 1:08:03
  Now right then moving on, we've got some news items to cover.
• 1:08:12
  So then if you've seen this Jacobs PR guy was delivering a
• 1:08:18
  press release this week saying that he'll be out of the diamond
• 1:08:22
  leagues ahead of Worlds. And his first race will be the
• 1:08:25
  heats of the 1500 meters, Which considering he only like
• 1:08:30
  confirmed his participation in one of them as recent as like 10
• 1:08:36
  days ago or a week ago. So he's clearly had some sort of
• 1:08:39
  set back since then and now, which isn't great for him, great
• 1:08:44
  for the others. Just see he's.
• 1:08:45
  Wearing these really old Nike shoes on his training sessions.
• 1:08:49
  No like like the original. 4% is.
• 1:08:52
  Yeah, they're the best. Like it's crazy.
• 1:08:54
  He's wearing a beat. Up pair and they wouldn't just
• 1:08:56
  give him a new I don't know. I'm hoping they break release
• 1:08:59
  the Alphafa ones we all. Are they're obviously.
• 1:09:06
  They're obviously doing it deliberately, like they know the
• 1:09:08
  demand is there and they're just keeping hold of this custom in
• 1:09:11
  demand, aren't they? And maybe one day we'll get it
• 1:09:15
  like all them. Other shoe brands are like
• 1:09:16
  catching up and even passing them out like they'd want to do
• 1:09:20
  something. Yeah, I guess it's still, it's a
• 1:09:22
  bit like accepting defeat or swallowing the pride if they go
• 1:09:25
  back to the original model, isn't it?
• 1:09:27
  They kind of want to re release the A1 but have like new
• 1:09:31
  advancements on it. That's a little train.
• 1:09:33
  To like all this air bubble is bigger or some shit like that
• 1:09:36
  just to make it like it's the same shoe but just a tiny
• 1:09:39
  difference. Yeah, we'll all happily.
• 1:09:42
  Accept it, whichever. Whatever it is, change the
• 1:09:46
  upper. And then give us the shoe bag.
• 1:09:48
  Just more grippy. Laces.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah, yeah, on that. It's good for the goose because
• 1:09:56
  he's going to be trying to win that Diamond League final, isn't
• 1:09:58
  he? So Jacob's out.
• 1:10:00
  Yeah. And is is that?
• 1:10:01
  How it works, like you actually have to win it.
• 1:10:03
  Like let's say someone's already qualified and they win it.
• 1:10:07
  That's a good point to. Actually, like, is it the next
• 1:10:09
  best? I don't know.
• 1:10:10
  Or then does if he doesn't win it and someone else does, does
• 1:10:13
  the place just not get allocated?
• 1:10:15
  I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:10:16
  Next. Item.
• 1:10:18
  Go on. Sorry, you go.
• 1:10:19
  No, Yeah, and the same. For like with roll down like
• 1:10:21
  does that open up another spot? I don't know I doubt it.
• 1:10:24
  But anyway, I'm sure we'll learn as it happens I.
• 1:10:27
  Think the Goose has got entries into the Diamond Leagues leading
• 1:10:31
  up to the finals? To the finals in Shorik only.
• 1:10:34
  It's only about two or three weeks before nationals, but
• 1:10:39
  there's CL, Sir, I think next weekend, and then Lausanne,
• 1:10:44
  maybe even of one as well. But Negusi hasn't even got
• 1:10:47
  points to make the final as it stands, so he's going to have to
• 1:10:49
  race on these other ones to get himself an entry and then try
• 1:10:53
  and bloody win the thing. You'd imagine even if he does
• 1:10:56
  get to Tokyo, he's going to have compromised A slight edge of his
• 1:11:00
  competitiveness in doing all this, isn't he?
• 1:11:02
  Yeah. And you wonder like.
• 1:11:04
  Some of the guys that did all that Grand Slam stuff, maybe
• 1:11:06
  they're regretting it, particularly when they haven't
• 1:11:08
  been paid. Yeah, I know we talk a lot about
• 1:11:11
  Fisher and him winning those two early rounds, but I think that
• 1:11:16
  Kenny Bednarak, he won all three.
• 1:11:18
  So he's owed 300 grand. But saying that I.
• 1:11:22
  Think it does take a while for all them mates like to pay their
• 1:11:27
  athletes. Yeah, they passed.
• 1:11:28
  Past the point, though. Oh yeah.
• 1:11:31
  Yeah, Grant Fisher, I think, went on.
• 1:11:33
  He spoke ahead of the US track and field champs, didn't he,
• 1:11:37
  about it. And he was pretty transparent
• 1:11:39
  about basically sort of said that he was the 31st of July was
• 1:11:43
  the last date for which they were meant to be paid for one of
• 1:11:46
  the mates. And as far as he was aware, no
• 1:11:48
  one had been paid. And then I think that date
• 1:11:51
  passed and they still hadn't been paid.
• 1:11:53
  So I didn't know. Yeah, Fell foul of their
• 1:11:56
  obligations in terms of when they said they were people
• 1:11:59
  you'd. Imagine, like, I think he said
• 1:12:02
  something along the lines of a lot of people aren't going to be
• 1:12:04
  happy or something. So you'd imagine maybe the
• 1:12:07
  athletes might get together and like, as, yeah, some sort of
• 1:12:10
  classical yeah. That'll just ruin them.
• 1:12:13
  Won't it? Regardless of whether they've
• 1:12:15
  got the money for next year or not?
• 1:12:16
  Like getting taken to court by the athletes.
• 1:12:19
  Let's be real, it's already. Ruined.
• 1:12:21
  Like, who the Hell's going to go there next year?
• 1:12:23
  Yeah, I think it's JJ. It's over next.
• 1:12:26
  Item use may may not have seen this on XI know we're big fans
• 1:12:31
  of Steve Magnus. So he put a bit of a story on
• 1:12:35
  there the other week where I don't know if he was there in
• 1:12:39
  Kenya at the time. But anyway, in Kenya, anti dopin
• 1:12:42
  arrived at a track and he used to test all the athletes there,
• 1:12:47
  like just turned up unannounced and they said it was like a
• 1:12:50
  school playground. They're like if the teacher
• 1:12:53
  blows the whistle and says like breaks over, all these athletes
• 1:12:57
  are just spreading running here, there and everywhere.
• 1:13:02
  No, in Kenya. Oh, Kenya.
• 1:13:07
  I just get so sad every time I hear about this even.
• 1:13:10
  You should just follow Jimmy Grezier on Instagram.
• 1:13:13
  No, he. Always posts.
• 1:13:14
  When Kenyon gets popped and I think a pretty legit one got
• 1:13:19
  popped there during the week, I'll look for it now I was
• 1:13:23
  thinking. About it the other day on the
• 1:13:25
  back of all the recent stuff, like if you get done, regardless
• 1:13:30
  of whether like when it was, you should have to give you prize
• 1:13:34
  money back. And if you don't, should be like
• 1:13:37
  criminal charges, the fraud or something because essentially
• 1:13:39
  that's like the act that you commit.
• 1:13:41
  And isn't it that, well, I don't know, by definition, but that's
• 1:13:44
  how it's how it seems. It's scandalous that they get to
• 1:13:47
  keep the prize money. I don't get it.
• 1:13:49
  So I'm. Just looking up this woman's
• 1:13:53
  well legs profile, Judy Gallagher, GE I'm not even going
• 1:14:01
  to try and pronounce that. Yeah, the AIU.
• 1:14:04
  On Twitter or X as well they're they tweet every time someone
• 1:14:07
  gets done with the with the drug and I've seen someone in the
• 1:14:11
  week got done with that. The What's it called?
• 1:14:14
  The dialect? The hell The thing that Chapman
• 1:14:18
  gets itch was found with hydrochloride.
• 1:14:23
  Yeah, so this one, yeah. So she's run 6634 half marathon
• 1:14:28
  and she her current ranking is seventh woman's road running.
• 1:14:32
  So like she's pretty. She's pretty good when she run
• 1:14:35
  the half marathon the 1st of February this year in oh, that's
• 1:14:39
  that one in Dubai that Raz Al Kami.
• 1:14:45
  But yeah, again, it's just so sad.
• 1:14:48
  First comment on Twitter. Is this a fight against the best
• 1:14:51
  performing country? This is so racist to Africans.
• 1:14:55
  Why Kenya? A little bit.
• 1:15:00
  Tangential to doping? Did you listen to the Matt Fox
• 1:15:08
  podcast? You have you guys tuned in?
• 1:15:10
  I did. I did.
• 1:15:11
  Him and the Irish guy, they're back.
• 1:15:13
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, good to be back in
• 1:15:16
  our years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:17
  I don't know if you guys had any thoughts or reflections, but
• 1:15:21
  like pretty do you do you ever watch this series of like banged
• 1:15:24
  up abroad? Do you ever guys have a see
• 1:15:28
  you're not comparing? It to that, are we?
• 1:15:30
  Well, it's sort of. Like it sort of took.
• 1:15:32
  Me back to like those stories where you sort of like, but
• 1:15:36
  something that that feels like a bit more relatable to like
• 1:15:39
  someone just going in country and sort of, you know, a bit
• 1:15:43
  unaware of maybe the ramifications of doing something
• 1:15:46
  in in another country. Like, it was pretty, pretty
• 1:15:49
  wild, crazy story. Yeah.
• 1:15:51
  I think it would just been. So scary, like in the airport,
• 1:15:55
  scan the passport and then boom. Like we'll probably let the
• 1:15:58
  listeners listen to it as well. But yeah, yeah, like, yeah.
• 1:16:01
  To be honest, it seems like he he was treated reasonably OK.
• 1:16:06
  It was just like a 4 1/2 months in a in a room like yeah, I
• 1:16:11
  would go. Like 40 minutes without my
• 1:16:14
  phone. I reckon I'd start to wig out
• 1:16:17
  how you go four months. Sure he write, he read by.
• 1:16:20
  Yourself. You.
• 1:16:21
  Read like 30 odd books 30. Two books, yeah.
• 1:16:24
  Like I just, yeah, just with just your thoughts and like no
• 1:16:28
  ability to like connect with anyone.
• 1:16:30
  I don't know. I particularly now we're the
• 1:16:34
  giving way more connected than ever.
• 1:16:35
  Like we're sitting here, you know, connected to this,
• 1:16:39
  connected to our phones. Like, I don't know, it'd be very
• 1:16:42
  hard. It was kind of a good.
• 1:16:44
  Format the way that that Luke essentially interviewed him
• 1:16:47
  didn't Ian like was was directing it all and was in
• 1:16:49
  control of what was being asked and stuff obviously they'd spoke
• 1:16:52
  offline about how it would go but I felt like he'd done a good
• 1:16:55
  job in like making sure the picture was like painted
• 1:16:58
  thoroughly yeah went back through the.
• 1:17:00
  Details. I mean, you could still ask so
• 1:17:02
  many questions, couldn't you? Like there was some like the
• 1:17:05
  whole experience is just extraordinary.
• 1:17:08
  But yeah, him being a lawyer I think allowed for him to sort of
• 1:17:11
  walk through some of the the concepts and ask, yeah, ask some
• 1:17:15
  very good questions. But yeah, wild by the sands of
• 1:17:18
  it, he's. Going to be in Australia for a
• 1:17:20
  little bit of time, so maybe you could meet up and go for a run
• 1:17:24
  together. Yeah, we'll probably be at some.
• 1:17:26
  Races soon hopefully be interesting to.
• 1:17:31
  Follow his training and see like how quickly or slowly it comes
• 1:17:33
  back and stuff like that he'll. When is Sydney?
• 1:17:37
  No, Sydney's like 4. Weeks or no three weeks, Yeah,
• 1:17:40
  that might be too much, but. No, he'll get fit so quick.
• 1:17:42
  I'd say by Ballarat next year he'll be flying, I was going to
• 1:17:47
  say. Fukuoka in December, but I
• 1:17:50
  imagine he might have difficulty getting back in.
• 1:17:52
  To be fair. I wonder is he like?
• 1:17:54
  Banned. No.
• 1:17:55
  He's also not banned from the country, is he?
• 1:17:56
  I don't know like. Does he have a criminal?
• 1:17:58
  Record like, oh, did he plead guilty?
• 1:18:00
  He did plead guilty, yeah. So it will.
• 1:18:04
  It will. Apply in Japan but not
• 1:18:06
  internationally. Yeah, I just.
• 1:18:09
  Like he done the wrong thing, but you do.
• 1:18:11
  And I feel sorry for him. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:15
  Sort of not. You're not looking to cause harm
• 1:18:17
  to anyone, you know, like, yeah. And the fact that it's legal.
• 1:18:20
  In so many countries as well, like it's, yeah, it's.
• 1:18:23
  Unfortunate but. That's life, say Lovey.
• 1:18:27
  I think that means such is life. Another thing I've seen, Adidas
• 1:18:33
  released this new Prime X3, which is the shoe with the
• 1:18:37
  illegal stack height, and I wanted to ask you both, without
• 1:18:40
  leading you one way or the other, would you race in that?
• 1:18:44
  No it wouldn't. Count.
• 1:18:46
  Yeah, I know what you're saying. Like you're running a mass
• 1:18:48
  participation race and no one would really know.
• 1:18:50
  But like, unless I thought that there was a real chance of like
• 1:18:55
  risk of like injury prevention, like I can sort of understand
• 1:18:59
  someone, let's say doing a track race and running in racing flats
• 1:19:02
  rather than spikes for for 10K or something like that.
• 1:19:05
  Like I can get their head around why they'd do that because then
• 1:19:09
  it allows them to participate in a race and get up and train the
• 1:19:12
  next day. But yeah, probably not.
• 1:19:14
  Is it not the same as? Doping.
• 1:19:16
  It's illegal. Not quite.
• 1:19:21
  I mean, you're more. Transparent, I suppose, when
• 1:19:23
  you're walking out in stilts. Yeah, but them shoes?
• 1:19:26
  There's 50 mil stack, so on the heel it's 50 mil and it drops to
• 1:19:30
  43 in the forefoot and it's got a carbon plate and Adidas's
• 1:19:36
  energy rods. So it's like double S.
• 1:19:39
  It's got like 3 different layers of foam.
• 1:19:40
  It's it's a crazy, crazy shoe. I love to go.
• 1:19:45
  Yeah, but it's expensive as well.
• 1:19:47
  Well, I've seen. Them in the Adidas in the the
• 1:19:51
  DFO here like last time I was there and they were only like
• 1:19:54
  200 and something and I was intrigued just to like training
• 1:19:57
  them. I would I wouldn't race in them
• 1:19:59
  myself either. And the seeing this this Asian
• 1:20:02
  guy trying them on and I was so, so tempted to say to him, by the
• 1:20:06
  way, you know, they're like illegal if you're going to race
• 1:20:09
  for a thought, No, it'll ruin his day, but the likes so.
• 1:20:12
  Let's say from my run this morning, like I would have
• 1:20:15
  pulled up so, so, so much better if I wore a pair of them
• 1:20:19
  compared to like the shoes I wore.
• 1:20:21
  And so there is, I feel like there is a space like place for
• 1:20:24
  them in a rotation, but I just personally wouldn't wear them.
• 1:20:28
  Yeah, it's kind of that middle. Ground like you wouldn't want to
• 1:20:30
  rely on them for sessions where like you see in splits and
• 1:20:33
  thinking, oh, I can do this, I can do that.
• 1:20:36
  But for those like steady runs where you've got tired legs,
• 1:20:39
  they'd probably serve like a decent purpose.
• 1:20:42
  Like I'd be 6 foot. In them.
• 1:20:45
  It's crazy the other week. There was a a new world record
• 1:20:49
  be a mile. I don't.
• 1:20:51
  Have you ever participated in one of these the.
• 1:20:54
  My bucks party started the groomsmen, Doug grabbed me from
• 1:20:59
  my house and we ended up starting with AI brace them in a
• 1:21:02
  BMR. Where was that?
• 1:21:06
  Oh, this is. 2015, it was 10 years ago now, yeah.
• 1:21:11
  But yeah, it was a disaster. I think I threw up pretty early,
• 1:21:15
  so I was just trying to push too hard, I think, on the beer.
• 1:21:19
  Or on the forum. Both really.
• 1:21:22
  But no, I think, yeah, I think it was like warm emu export and
• 1:21:25
  it was just finding as I was trying to guzzle it, but I
• 1:21:30
  reckon I bait. Them.
• 1:21:31
  Yeah, I think I've seen a video of.
• 1:21:32
  This kid doing it and he's chugging them and he's, he's the
• 1:21:37
  flyer, yeah. Have you seen I've put the?
• 1:21:40
  Splits in the show notes he's been with 5 to 9 seconds, 9
• 1:21:45
  seconds at the slowest, and he's running 6 seconds.
• 1:21:48
  And they see, they sort of turn them as it goes down the gullet.
• 1:21:51
  So it just goes down as like some sort of like tornado.
• 1:21:54
  Venturi type. Yeah, yeah, the perfect vector
• 1:21:58
  as it sort of slides down his gullet and then in one fell
• 1:22:01
  swoop and then off he goes. Like he's running the equivalent
• 1:22:04
  of like a 4 minute mile in between like a couple of gulps
• 1:22:06
  of liquid may imagine you went. Back in time and told who were
• 1:22:11
  the guys? John Landy.
• 1:22:13
  Who were the guys were in pursuit of the Four Minute Mile?
• 1:22:17
  Yeah, Bannister. Yeah, he.
• 1:22:20
  Told them that awesome ones running this mile now
• 1:22:22
  essentially in the drinking a beer after each laugh.
• 1:22:27
  I've just googled him to see where he's from.
• 1:22:29
  Corey Bellmore and somewhere in America back in the day, I
• 1:22:35
  think. Josh Harris, Yeah.
• 1:22:37
  Do you remember, have you heard the name Josh Harris?
• 1:22:40
  So he represented Australia in the 2017 world champs for the
• 1:22:44
  marathon. I think it's run like 217.
• 1:22:46
  He I think maybe had the world record at one point in time,
• 1:22:50
  like back when it was more closer to like 5 minutes.
• 1:22:53
  The fact that it's now 427 is ridiculous.
• 1:22:57
  So this next one, this is pretty touch and go rarely depending on
• 1:23:00
  how you look at it. So I think it's important that
• 1:23:04
  we acknowledge that those of the story came out like last week or
• 1:23:07
  the week before about female athletes now having to get a
• 1:23:12
  chromosome or DNA test to see if they possess AY chromosome to
• 1:23:18
  essentially make women's sport fair and ensure that it's only
• 1:23:23
  females competing in female sport.
• 1:23:27
  Now why it's quite on the fence or a bit touch and go is because
• 1:23:34
  I struggled to explain this. Essentially, some women can test
• 1:23:37
  positive for having this Y chromosome and therefore be
• 1:23:41
  unfairly excluded from competing in the sport when they've done
• 1:23:44
  nothing wrong. Obviously the chances of that
• 1:23:47
  happening is few and far between and the science of it I don't
• 1:23:50
  really understand, but I get where they're coming from.
• 1:23:53
  I think the the general principle in trying to like
• 1:23:56
  remove trans athletes essentially formerly males from
• 1:24:02
  competing in female only events is a fair a fairpoint to come
• 1:24:08
  from. But yeah, maybe they might cause
• 1:24:11
  some problems for themselves if like these niche scenarios
• 1:24:15
  arise. So think it might have happened
• 1:24:18
  once back in the day. Do you remember in?
• 1:24:20
  The Olympics, an Irish, there was an Italian boxer and Trump,
• 1:24:26
  she was fighting an Irish girl, but they said she was a man or
• 1:24:33
  something. I don't know why I started this
• 1:24:35
  because I really don't know about it.
• 1:24:36
  But like, Donald Trump came out and was like, he was born a man.
• 1:24:42
  And like, I think she just had really high levels of
• 1:24:45
  testosterone or something like that.
• 1:24:47
  But like, it was a girl and like, her name sort of got
• 1:24:51
  dragged through the dirt for like, nothing.
• 1:24:54
  Like she couldn't do anything about it, which is, yeah, it's
• 1:24:57
  not nice. Yeah.
• 1:24:59
  So that's the thing. They put like a threshold on the
• 1:25:01
  levels of testosterone that you can have, but some theme, actual
• 1:25:04
  legit females can just naturally have high levels of it and would
• 1:25:08
  therefore be like ruled out. Yeah, I think it's really I.
• 1:25:12
  Don't know, difficult because I think sport is all about trying
• 1:25:15
  to create fairness and allowing everyone to participate and by
• 1:25:20
  doing this discriminates against some people who through no
• 1:25:25
  choice of their own are born a certain way and then may not fit
• 1:25:30
  within this criteria yet would otherwise be allowed to compete
• 1:25:36
  as females. So, yeah, I think like the cast
• 1:25:39
  as some in your example, I think it's one of those.
• 1:25:42
  And I think she's had to do other in the past, right, in
• 1:25:44
  terms of like lowering her testosterone levels to be
• 1:25:47
  allowed to participate and those sorts of things.
• 1:25:49
  And she's sort of not done anything to change who she is.
• 1:25:54
  And it's these rules that are sort of imposing that upon her,
• 1:25:57
  which isn't really fair and goes against what it's trying to do,
• 1:26:01
  which is create a fair playing field.
• 1:26:04
  I don't know. I think it's really hard to,
• 1:26:06
  yeah. But let's be real, there's way
• 1:26:09
  bigger problems out there. Like, they just need someone
• 1:26:12
  sitting at every track in Kenya and Ethiopia and using, like,
• 1:26:15
  just testing them. Because whatever's happening
• 1:26:18
  over there is far worse than testing some white chromosome
• 1:26:23
  shit. Sure.
• 1:26:24
  Yeah, yeah. General principle, encourage
• 1:26:27
  participation, discourage doping.
• 1:26:29
  I think that's what we like. Wonder if they've got any any
• 1:26:34
  vacant spaces on any of these athletic sports.
• 1:26:37
  Shake them up. I don't think we'll be getting
• 1:26:40
  less spaces. We'll.
• 1:26:42
  Put our one on. It wouldn't get fair.
• 1:26:47
  All right then, boys, listen to questions.
• 1:26:51
  We've had a few. So Tom Tedge asks thoughts on
• 1:26:56
  Gofundmes for international marathons?
• 1:26:59
  I don't know if there's any context behind this, but I mean
• 1:27:03
  in general, I think like if you're doing an international
• 1:27:07
  marathon, you might be fundraising for charity and
• 1:27:09
  stuff. So potentially you, I don't
• 1:27:11
  know, you might use the go Fund Me to help you with your
• 1:27:14
  charity, but I think that's a little bit lazy.
• 1:27:16
  Like you should do a cake sale or do your bloody bonus ball in
• 1:27:20
  the lottery before going to Go Fund me for your funds.
• 1:27:24
  I might start. A go fund me to buy myself a new
• 1:27:27
  car if anyone wants that. Or treadmill if this if there's
• 1:27:31
  the shit that's going on now my *1 Someone to help me out get
• 1:27:37
  the. Get the into Valencia my
• 1:27:39
  personal opinion on. Gofundmes is there for people in
• 1:27:41
  need that are like, struggling or have had a bad thing happen
• 1:27:45
  to them. And there's much more important
• 1:27:47
  things than for raising money for someone to run an
• 1:27:51
  international marathon. Like just save it for another
• 1:27:54
  year or two and then do the marathon.
• 1:27:55
  Like there's much more important things out there, yeah.
• 1:27:59
  It was interesting, right, because I sort of looked at like
• 1:28:01
  some some of the sites and there's opportunities for people
• 1:28:05
  who would like like clubs have like their sporting clubs
• 1:28:07
  raising money for like building facilities or like kids going to
• 1:28:12
  like junior national championships or European
• 1:28:14
  Championships or the like. So like a platform, because I do
• 1:28:19
  think like running is a bit doesn't have a lot of funding,
• 1:28:22
  right. So it's sort of like if, if
• 1:28:24
  there's if there's and there's people that are quite well to do
• 1:28:28
  that might want to support like, like athletes don't really have
• 1:28:31
  a lot of money typically, right? The sport's fairly lacking when
• 1:28:35
  it comes to sort of athlete funding in particular.
• 1:28:38
  So if there was some sort of medium that sort of allowed for
• 1:28:41
  that, it just like you say, it's probably just making it clear
• 1:28:44
  between what the different channels for funding, you know,
• 1:28:48
  charitable funding and those sorts of those causes versus
• 1:28:51
  maybe startups, you know, in terms of crowdfunding and then
• 1:28:55
  maybe some athlete funding. Like, I don't know, I'm sort of
• 1:28:58
  not opposed to the idea of people getting supported to help
• 1:29:01
  chase their dreams, particularly in something like running that's
• 1:29:04
  doesn't get much money, you know, we're not in it for.
• 1:29:06
  The money, let's be real. Or.
• 1:29:10
  You don't get much money for. Winning.
• 1:29:11
  That's right, Those those. UK athletes, When was it like
• 1:29:15
  sometime this year who had to pay £1000 to get themselves,
• 1:29:20
  Yeah, European champs or whatever they could have done
• 1:29:23
  with the Go Fund Me, I was thinking that.
• 1:29:25
  Like, yeah, like if there was some sort of, you know, well,
• 1:29:29
  that's not right. And I'm sure there'd be people
• 1:29:30
  out there that would be prepared to help save them, you know, get
• 1:29:34
  there if you've if. You've got a link.
• 1:29:37
  Send it over and we'll we might not share it, to be fair.
• 1:29:42
  Josh, Josh Tie. I don't know why he asked these
• 1:29:45
  stupid questions. I'll be.
• 1:29:48
  Transparent anyway, and read it out.
• 1:29:49
  Do you think Miley Cyrus paved the way for artists like Sabrina
• 1:29:52
  Carpenter? I think this is actually a
• 1:29:55
  really. Good question.
• 1:29:56
  And I think Miley Cyrus is sort of a role model for all these
• 1:30:01
  young and upcoming artists. So I think Sabrina Carpenter
• 1:30:07
  would really like look up to a person like Miley.
• 1:30:11
  And I hear she's doing what? Who's the other Hannah Montana
• 1:30:15
  tour? I think she's doing a Hannah
• 1:30:16
  Montana tour. So maybe Josh might be looking
• 1:30:19
  to get tickets to that. You never know, to be fair,
• 1:30:22
  Hannah. Montana was a guilty pleasure of
• 1:30:24
  mine back in the in the day. Year 5 maybe.
• 1:30:27
  Year 4 let's you still. Watch it.
• 1:30:31
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, 13, No, But whilst
• 1:30:37
  we're on it, Miley Cyrus, she's got a cover of Like a Prayer by
• 1:30:42
  Madonna and it's, it's insane. It could be an outro.
• 1:30:47
  Yeah. Well, I was looking into this
• 1:30:49
  and you have to pay like you legally you can't use these like
• 1:30:53
  actual songs because I was thinking we could get a sick
• 1:30:56
  song. But I mean, I don't know if or
• 1:31:00
  the podcasts who do it, if they're actually like they have
• 1:31:02
  the licenses and they follow the rules.
• 1:31:04
  But I know it'd be a shame to get easy double.
• 1:31:06
  Just delete it because we put like a prayer could be worth it.
• 1:31:13
  Going out with a bang. Nick Boland asks for marathon
• 1:31:18
  sessions. Do you prefer to include them in
• 1:31:20
  a long run or separately as their own thing on a Thursday
• 1:31:23
  and Friday session? I know for us like.
• 1:31:25
  We've typically sort of replace them, like replace the long run.
• 1:31:30
  So like we would normally do your regular Tuesday, Thursday
• 1:31:35
  workouts and then instead of saying Sunday's a long run,
• 1:31:38
  Saturday's a tempo workout, but instead just do something very
• 1:31:42
  like long and specific on the Saturday instead.
• 1:31:45
  And it might incorporate time jogging or we sort of call it
• 1:31:49
  like steady pace into like marathon specific work.
• 1:31:54
  But it's sort of and some people run their long runs a bit
• 1:31:57
  steadier. This is sort of all pretty
• 1:31:59
  deliberate. So it's sort of not, it's not in
• 1:32:02
  the set, It's not like it's not really either of those.
• 1:32:05
  It's not a, it's not a Friday longer session and it's not time
• 1:32:10
  at or around marathon effort at the back end of a long run.
• 1:32:13
  It's sort of it's its own own thing really.
• 1:32:16
  Normally I like the I'm. Still figuring it out, to be
• 1:32:19
  fair, but so far I like the kind of like week on, week off where
• 1:32:22
  you do individual marathon session one week, maybe on the
• 1:32:27
  set Friday, Saturday, whatever it might be, and then just like
• 1:32:30
  easy time on feet on the Sunday and then the next week have a
• 1:32:34
  specific long run with maybe some intensity in it on the
• 1:32:37
  Sunday. Yeah, yeah, it's.
• 1:32:39
  Sensible. I've never done a.
• 1:32:41
  Marathon session. Big wait this week.
• 1:32:44
  Just go on there, yeah. It's 12th and 5000 meter
• 1:32:50
  national championships. Doesn't need to be doing
• 1:32:52
  marathon sessions. See.
• 1:32:55
  Only. 12 though next year top 10.
• 1:32:59
  Cross country could you come top top ten the cross country yeah,
• 1:33:03
  cross country is so. Stacked in Ireland, if I got
• 1:33:05
  like top, I don't think I've ever finished in the top 50s
• 1:33:09
  unless we're counting when I was like 13.
• 1:33:13
  So yeah, if I even got like Top 40 or something, I'd be I'll be
• 1:33:18
  pretty chuffed. John Donnelly asks.
• 1:33:21
  I don't know if this is a loaded question.
• 1:33:23
  He's giggling behind his firm whilst he puts this in.
• 1:33:26
  Big biggest, biggest snake in Perth?
• 1:33:32
  We have some large non venomous snakes and they're and they're
• 1:33:38
  up north. But in Perth there's plenty of
• 1:33:40
  poisonous snakes I'm sure. But I'm just literally talking
• 1:33:45
  about we. You should have taken Jordan
• 1:33:47
  when he was in Perth around like like herdsmen, like I think it
• 1:33:52
  has like 1 of the largest populations of venomous snakes,
• 1:33:56
  dense like densest populations of venomous snakes in, like in
• 1:33:59
  inner city in, in the world or something.
• 1:34:01
  So we punch above, above our average in terms of venomous
• 1:34:05
  snakes, but they're genuinely like they're snakes.
• 1:34:08
  They're a. Reptilian.
• 1:34:09
  Car. Yeah, my time.
• 1:34:11
  In Australia like Perth is probably the only place I
• 1:34:13
  actually didn't see a snake like and it wasn't like you weren't
• 1:34:16
  here. In summer, yeah.
• 1:34:17
  So it's. Weird.
• 1:34:19
  Oh, probably. Like normally you hear it like
• 1:34:21
  Russell in the in the in the like shrubs are like in the
• 1:34:26
  hedges. So you actually don't see it,
• 1:34:28
  but like you hear something. But like I remember when I was
• 1:34:31
  in Brisbane, I seen a full on like Python like crossing the
• 1:34:34
  street crossing like a little footpath and all the Australians
• 1:34:38
  like, Oh crikey, what a beauty. And then I seen like a few brown
• 1:34:44
  ones. Yeah, I've seen a few brown ones
• 1:34:47
  and like a black one with a red belly.
• 1:34:50
  But I was beside like a sort of a wetlands area.
• 1:34:54
  So I'd say they'd probably they'd like that.
• 1:34:57
  But yeah, I've never seen a snake in breath.
• 1:34:59
  And interesting. So I was, you know, when I went
• 1:35:02
  down on that camper van holiday with the family, we went to the
• 1:35:06
  local reptile park there and I nearly walked away with a with a
• 1:35:10
  pet Python. Nearly bought 1.
• 1:35:13
  Were you or the kids? Bit of column A, bit of column
• 1:35:18
  B, but I, I, you need a license, but apparently you can get it in
• 1:35:24
  like 2 to three days now. It used to be far more
• 1:35:25
  regulated, but but yeah, watch, watch this space.
• 1:35:29
  We're back down South in a couple of months.
• 1:35:32
  Have you seen the way they feed? You have to feed that like small
• 1:35:34
  mice. It's horrible.
• 1:35:36
  So yeah, so I did. Ask.
• 1:35:37
  We did inquire about that, Yeah. They feed exclusively on on
• 1:35:40
  mice, Yeah. Oh, was it my cousin had the
• 1:35:44
  snake? Was it my cousin?
• 1:35:46
  I don't know. I think it might have been.
• 1:35:48
  And no, I can't have been. He must have told me the story.
• 1:35:51
  I've got my alliance mixed up. But anyway, there's a story
• 1:35:54
  about a guy who had the a snake and it would lie, lie down.
• 1:36:00
  It would like lay long ways next to him during the night.
• 1:36:04
  It's to try and work out. If we can eat him, it was sizing
• 1:36:07
  him. Off as it was growing yeah yeah
• 1:36:08
  that's what I. Reckon yeah, this one will only
• 1:36:11
  go a metre long, so it might just be enough to eat the cat.
• 1:36:13
  Ryan, if you ever needed the cat looked after.
• 1:36:16
  Oh, we don't. Mention the cat no.
• 1:36:19
  Becca will kill. You it.
• 1:36:22
  Depends if you want your life taken from you.
• 1:36:27
  Gummy bear Hibstickles asks how to keep the heart rate low at
• 1:36:35
  the start of a race. Probably just not going out.
• 1:36:38
  Too high? That's probably the only thing
• 1:36:39
  you can do. That or not check your heart
• 1:36:41
  rate monitor like you did before Ballarat, Yeah.
• 1:36:44
  It's probably important to acknowledge that your heart rate
• 1:36:47
  will be like severely elevated compared to normal.
• 1:36:50
  Like given that example. We went for a warm up and I
• 1:36:55
  think you've seen yours as well, didn't you?
• 1:36:57
  Yeah, mine was the same. And I, so I remember I actually
• 1:36:59
  did chat to RAF because I did did the Perth 50 KA couple of
• 1:37:03
  years ago. And like I was very conscious of
• 1:37:05
  trying to keep it to like just run the whole thing to a
• 1:37:07
  particular heart rate. But when I started, it was sort
• 1:37:10
  of a bit higher than what I anticipated it to be.
• 1:37:12
  And yeah, RAF sort of did put it down to a bit of adrenaline and
• 1:37:16
  a bit of excitement. And so I mean, if there is
• 1:37:19
  something you can do to sort of calm your nerves before the race
• 1:37:22
  to, particularly if it's a longer race, like a bit of a bit
• 1:37:24
  of that before a shorter race, I don't think it's an issue.
• 1:37:27
  Like you want to, you want to have that feeling, but over one
• 1:37:29
  of those longer races, you probably don't want to get too
• 1:37:31
  carried away too early like that.
• 1:37:33
  The Gold Coast Marathon speech from what?
• 1:37:38
  The headaches before that, before that, like that probably
• 1:37:41
  gets your heart rate a bit higher than probably what you
• 1:37:43
  want it to be just before you start a marathon.
• 1:37:46
  But yeah, like you say, probably acknowledge that it's going to
• 1:37:48
  be a little bit elevated, but then it's just try not to go out
• 1:37:51
  too hard. I think it's the main thing,
• 1:37:52
  right? Yeah, I think I'm like.
• 1:37:54
  Sort of like steady in your breathing as well, like in like
• 1:37:57
  try and like hold in that like adrenaline.
• 1:37:59
  I don't know, just try and like calm yourself down is what I
• 1:38:03
  find. Try like I try and do.
• 1:38:04
  But again, like I wouldn't even like wear a heart rate monitor
• 1:38:09
  and like a race, like maybe I don't know, yeah, a marathon, I
• 1:38:14
  wouldn't know. But because race race is so
• 1:38:17
  different to like all you train. So even it like it probably will
• 1:38:20
  be higher because like this is something you've trained for and
• 1:38:22
  you put so much effort into. So I think like I can train and
• 1:38:26
  it's you can use it as a training metric, but racing I
• 1:38:30
  ditch it. Like don't even anything like a
• 1:38:33
  5K wouldn't even wear a watch. 10K maybe but yeah I just
• 1:38:38
  wouldn't bother wearing the Harry manner being pretty
• 1:38:40
  honest. Interesting point as.
• 1:38:41
  Well, I was listening to something, whether you're
• 1:38:43
  talking about, you know, when you get overly fatigued and you
• 1:38:45
  can struggle to like raise your heart rate.
• 1:38:48
  The same applies when you taper and you freshen up, your heart
• 1:38:52
  rate becomes like so reactive and susceptible.
• 1:38:54
  So as soon as you like start to jog, it'll rise.
• 1:38:57
  So it can actually be a sign of like freshness and fitness.
• 1:39:01
  So maybe like don't be too like carried away by it as well.
• 1:39:04
  Yeah, exactly like. Like tomorrow morning.
• 1:39:06
  I'll go for my run and my heart rate could be like high one 20s
• 1:39:10
  or something like that and I'll be like whoa, I'm really fit.
• 1:39:13
  But really it's because I'm cooked from the last week.
• 1:39:15
  So yeah, don't read too much input, which is kind of ironic.
• 1:39:19
  Because all we do when we talk about our trains, talk about
• 1:39:22
  heart rate and stuff. But you've got to know when to
• 1:39:24
  apply it and when to. Maybe not so much.
• 1:39:29
  James Bond asks 3 questions. So take your pick.
• 1:39:32
  We could maybe we choose one dream, destination, race and why
• 1:39:38
  or session you most look forward to.
• 1:39:41
  For I'll pick the session, I love the first, the morning
• 1:39:45
  threshold session because it's like that, like that sort of
• 1:39:48
  comfy, that comfy sort of pace. It's not too hard.
• 1:39:51
  It's just like controlled. So yeah, that's sort of the
• 1:39:56
  session like in my weekly structure at the moment, that
• 1:39:58
  first threshold session is the one I sort of I look forward to
• 1:40:02
  most in. Terms of sessions, it's probably
• 1:40:06
  like the race specific sessions. So you know, like when you yeah,
• 1:40:10
  anything we sort of like 10 days out from a big race or
• 1:40:14
  thereabouts, we'll do like our final sort of preparatory
• 1:40:16
  session. So that's the one that I
• 1:40:19
  probably get the most excited about.
• 1:40:21
  I sort of, yeah, get fired up for those, which is always good
• 1:40:24
  because you can send. It and you're chasing pieces.
• 1:40:27
  Yeah, basically. Sort of the, you know, you're
• 1:40:29
  going to get a good indication of where your fitness is at.
• 1:40:32
  You know you're meant to lean into the session rather than
• 1:40:35
  just tick it off. And I sort of come more
• 1:40:37
  prepared, arrive on time, do all the things that you're meant to
• 1:40:41
  do, like a race simulation. So it's get you get pretty
• 1:40:44
  excited and the sessions are normally fun.
• 1:40:46
  They're sort of cut up in a way where you're sort of spending
• 1:40:49
  time at or around race effort just above, just below and but
• 1:40:55
  it's not a full on whack. So they're they're always my
• 1:40:57
  favorite workout. I'll take the other 1 then.
• 1:41:01
  The dream destination race. I think we've answered this on
• 1:41:03
  one of the early episodes. I can't remember but I'm sure
• 1:41:05
  someone did ask it and I'm going to say this could change.
• 1:41:11
  Boston Marathon based on spectating it the past couple of
• 1:41:15
  years. Like the atmosphere seems
• 1:41:17
  fucking insane. Like I know that all the majors
• 1:41:19
  have mental atmospheres but this one just seems next level and
• 1:41:23
  something about the so it being illegal for records like that
• 1:41:27
  would be a shame because you're not really running for time, but
• 1:41:31
  just the whole rolling hills and having to navigate them and deal
• 1:41:35
  with that challenge just would be unreal.
• 1:41:38
  I think any of them American. Marathons would be unreal.
• 1:41:41
  You think I'm going to Boston? Next year, right?
• 1:41:43
  Yeah, just keep. Pushing back when my return to
• 1:41:46
  race could be. So Boston's coming into the
• 1:41:48
  pictures too quickly. When's Boston in April?
• 1:41:53
  Is it? Oh, that'd be fun.
• 1:41:57
  I could answer his, actually his third question as well.
• 1:42:00
  The gear. Oh yeah, yeah, go.
• 1:42:02
  At the moment I'm having. Umm heart rate monitors, heart
• 1:42:05
  rate monitors again, hairy monitor issues.
• 1:42:07
  So I've got the like the cheapest Garmin 1 and it's like
• 1:42:11
  the Jewel one or whatever but you.
• 1:42:14
  Need to tell the listeners. What?
• 1:42:15
  He's asked. Oh, sorry, gear clothing you
• 1:42:20
  hate poor love. So at the moment, so the battery
• 1:42:23
  went in it. So I haven't like a year battery
• 1:42:25
  went on it. So I was like, Oh yeah, change
• 1:42:26
  the battery. Umm, but ever since I've changed
• 1:42:29
  the battery, like it's just not ideal and sometimes it chafes,
• 1:42:34
  sometimes it doesn't. So I'm like, I'm tossing up
• 1:42:37
  between getting here. Is it being inaccurate?
• 1:42:40
  Is that what you're finding? So let's say.
• 1:42:43
  This morning's run, for the first 5-10 minutes, it was like
• 1:42:46
  64 beats per minute. And then I've done it calibrate
• 1:42:50
  then I've heard, yeah. No, I think this is a problem.
• 1:42:56
  Yeah, like I've heard multiple people make comments about once
• 1:42:59
  you change the batteries there, they turn to shit like that's
• 1:43:02
  the reason you. Get it?
• 1:43:03
  Because it lasts long. You can just change the battery
• 1:43:06
  and all last longer. But I'm just tossing up between
• 1:43:08
  like there's a new Garmin one out but like it's €160 or going
• 1:43:12
  to like the Chorus armband. But yeah, I don't know.
• 1:43:16
  I don't know what to do. The arm bands aren't too.
• 1:43:18
  Bad for the most part, they're not completely accurate, but
• 1:43:21
  they're I don't mind in terms of the chafing like I just found I
• 1:43:25
  got so much chafing like they were just very uncomfortable
• 1:43:28
  wearing the chest strap. So I moved to one of the I think
• 1:43:31
  it's the Wahoo arm bands and I've been I've preferred them so
• 1:43:37
  much like I'll wear them for every run.
• 1:43:39
  They don't, they don't rob the battery.
• 1:43:41
  Life's pretty solid on them. So like MFN, pretty inexpensive.
• 1:43:45
  You've got the chorus. One Ryan, don't you?
• 1:43:48
  Yeah, I like it to. Be fair again batteries long
• 1:43:51
  doesn't move or it's not uncomfortable on the arm but I
• 1:43:55
  feel like if I. Got a chorus, Harry Moner?
• 1:43:57
  I'd have to get a chorus. Watch.
• 1:43:59
  You can't have to do that. No, you do because then.
• 1:44:03
  You can compare your chorus man to my chorus 1.
• 1:44:06
  Almost get a. Chorus just for the man like to
• 1:44:11
  be honest, I think the data. Seems more accurate or like that
• 1:44:14
  tells you more all about that training load and all that hates
• 1:44:17
  more Internet. Yeah, and the Garmin app is?
• 1:44:19
  So old like I don't know but just the watch is so expensive
• 1:44:25
  when I was on. Garmin.
• 1:44:26
  I didn't use the Garmin Connect app at all besides like just
• 1:44:30
  passing the Bluetooth file through, you know, to Strava.
• 1:44:33
  But being on Chorus, like the data and the interface in there
• 1:44:36
  is like just so insightful. It's like more modern as.
• 1:44:39
  Well, isn't it? Yeah.
• 1:44:41
  Don't know what to do. I need AI, need a treadmill, I
• 1:44:44
  need a pair of super shoes for Sunday or for Saturday, and I
• 1:44:47
  need a new heart in my nurse last watch.
• 1:44:51
  But no crowdfunding. I must go.
• 1:44:55
  Go fund me, I'm going to set one up.
• 1:45:01
  I reckon we've covered YouTube Diaries and Double Trouble
• 1:45:03
  content. Well, definitely Double Trouble
• 1:45:05
  has been dropped here and there throughout because these
• 1:45:10
  episodes are getting increasingly long.
• 1:45:11
  Unless anyone has a ban in YouTube Diaries they'd like to
• 1:45:14
  do, we can save for next week so it gets longer every.
• 1:45:17
  Like, yeah. Likewise, I had the Cielsa
• 1:45:21
  Diamond League, which is coming up next week.
• 1:45:23
  I was going to talk about the field, but literally no need.
• 1:45:26
  We'll do the results next week. The lineups are stacked.
• 1:45:29
  If you've that inclined to know who's going to be on the start
• 1:45:32
  line before you put the stream on, head over to the website.
• 1:45:35
  Otherwise, watch it live on YouTube or watch it replay on
• 1:45:39
  YouTube and then we'll talk about it next week as well.
• 1:45:44
  So just to conclude, the easy Double clubhouse will be coming.
• 1:45:50
  We're hoping ahead of Sydney Marathon, going to get it out
• 1:45:54
  there and then roll through to Worlds and we'll get some medal
• 1:45:58
  competitions running with some prizes amongst the clubhouse
• 1:46:03
  participants and we can all talk about the races within there.
• 1:46:07
  So really excited for that And yeah, stick with us.
• 1:46:09
  Hopefully you enjoyed the episode.
• 1:46:11
  Race recap next. Week as well, hopefully.
• 1:46:14
  Yeah, you've got. The 10 mile, Yeah, 10 mile next.
• 1:46:17
  Saturday OK now. Nonstop at the minute.
• 1:46:21
  Nice big. Big, big bakes of training races
• 1:46:24
  is go, go, go. But how?
• 1:46:28
  How high? How?
• 1:46:29
  High Can you likely finish in this one?
• 1:46:32
  Oh, I really haven't a. Clue who's run last year it was
• 1:46:34
  one like I want to say 49 mid. So I'm like, that is pretty fast
• 1:46:41
  going, pretty stolen, yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure I'll be.
• 1:46:43
  There, but hopefully we'll top ten.
• 1:46:46
  Hopefully. And is it in?
• 1:46:48
  Dublin Phoenix Parks and finish back in Dublin, Yeah.
• 1:46:52
  So I ran. Between that 3 it'd be under 310
• 1:46:56
  pace or 310 pace 310308. Anywhere around there, like it
• 1:47:00
  is pretty hilly, but with an uphill, there's going to be a
• 1:47:02
  downhill. So look, depends.
• 1:47:05
  I'm feeling how I'm feeling. Yeah, you should.
• 1:47:08
  Gordon No, no, just. That makes sense.
• 1:47:11
  That's what I was thinking, yeah. 310 pace.
• 1:47:14
  Are you familiar? With many of the Victorian based
• 1:47:16
  athletes because there was that Ballarat 15K today, wasn't
• 1:47:20
  there? Yeah, have a look at their times
• 1:47:21
  and stuff. Out of interest.
• 1:47:23
  Yeah, who? Someone.
• 1:47:25
  It's pretty flat. Though isn't it?
• 1:47:26
  And it's, I don't know if it's fine.
• 1:47:28
  It's around that freaking. Lake, I think it's more downhill
• 1:47:31
  actually than uphill, yeah. When it's, you're doing a
• 1:47:34
  proper. No, no, we need to keep.
• 1:47:36
  The narrative from this year's marathon?
• 1:47:38
  It was extremely windy. Yeah.
• 1:47:44
  No, to be fair. RAF and I were looking this
• 1:47:46
  morning and he clicked in someone's straw file and it was
• 1:47:49
  like 9° eleven KS an hour win. So today it was perfect.
• 1:47:55
  Course you don't. You.
• 1:47:56
  Don't get them days in Dublin unfortunately.
• 1:47:58
  So now hopefully a nice recap. Be nice.
• 1:48:02
  OK, last comment. Did you see Mona Ran three 30s
• 1:48:07
  for that 15K? What age is he?
• 1:48:09
  He's like 63. Or something that's crazy.
• 1:48:13
  I was trying to see. If there's like a age group
• 1:48:16
  world record to compare to because like can't be far off in
• 1:48:20
  that shape, that age. I wonder when he runs Sydney.
• 1:48:24
  It'd be on. It'd be.
• 1:48:25
  There abouts on the start line and his night kit.
• 1:48:28
  Yeah, but like, he'd run. A fast time for a 63 year old.
• 1:48:31
  Maybe he's on his way to. Valencia with Dean.
• 1:48:37
  I'm in. Watch this face.
• 1:48:39
  All right then, guys. Thanks very much.
• 1:48:44
  See you next week. Good luck.