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Talks to Mark Cockram about his choice of The Horns of Nimon (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  The blood, penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  I am here today, with the Charming intelligent
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  charismatic. I could go on with superlatives.
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  There's no need for sarcasm, Joe fabulous, podcaster Cockrum.
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  How you doing today? Oh, wow, I'm blushing, now,
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  after all that, that's that's very kind is completely wrong,
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  but it's very kind of you to say.
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  So deserve everything you get out of front of us compromise
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  that the earlier, wow. But before we turn this into a
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  massive loving, we are watching the horns of 9 1, episode 3.
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  Sorry so great. I named a podcast after it and
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  Pete. Yeah, still asking why and I
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  have a question for you about, Kenny McBain.
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  Oh my god. Well it's not somebody.
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  We hear disgusted, any great depth.
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  So now to the point that my other off accused me of making
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  him up recently, I did hear that.
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  But Katie McBain doesn't exist. Is that the matter was that I
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  mean you could argue that he directed one of the less
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  celebrated stories in Doctor Who history and that is acting on
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  the wrong people go about. Yeah.
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  Yeah. We're obviously not in that in
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  that camp. But yeah, maybe if he directed
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  city of death, people might have been a bit more complimentary.
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  Well, he's part of that, pretty small group of sort of one.
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  Directors from classic who aren't actually doing that
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  thing. Sorry to drop.
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  Do you think they're still doing that thing that they had started
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  in the 60s where they were bringing fresh new directors and
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  just Chuck him in at the deep end and let him do a doctor who
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  just as cut their teeth a bit because that story with this guy
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  or is he? I don't know much about him.
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  I when I think but Allah will say he done an awful lot of
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  theater. I think you okay watching it
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  because I see this on the stage like yeah a big booming Opera.
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  Yeah he's crazy. Costumes.
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  It's not move. Some of the things I have seen
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  on the stage. Yeah, but like can you think of
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  any other one short directors? God, I put me on the spot.
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  I know, I can't think of a no, hang on.
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  No, the fellow who did The Awakening?
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  He, I went Boris. My Chloe Morris.
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  He only did that one go. There was the guy that did this
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  is going back a long way. The guy that did the Reign of
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  Terror. You had a mental breakdown
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  halfway through? I'm Rick.
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  Yeah, something yeah, yeah, there's not many as are mostly.
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  There are people of directors that again and again.
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  Yeah. I wonder why.
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  Wonder if because of the result there was I won't use a mukbang
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  again. I wonder what became of him.
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  I can tell you what Behavior. That's what I'm a fascinating
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  facts that I've gleaned. Okay, he was the producer of
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  morphs and he was responsible for more on the screen and Bun.
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  I've never had okay. Yeah.
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  Yeah as Michael elphic and our God who is the guy from Men
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  Behaving Badly that wasn't Martin clunes.
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  Oh Laura see they are he? Yes it is Michael Vick.
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  And okay, so he had a quite a prestigious producing career,
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  but only he died quite young as well.
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  So, no one lasts a very long. It was in those and I want no,
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  that's a shame, but there are immortalized in this four-part
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  classic, they really are or Covenant.
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  Let's kinda McBain in to episode three Encounters in.
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  All right, so if we everyone's ready, 5 4, 3, 2, One.
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  No other thing. Anybody listen to these
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  alongside watching the episodes, you know?
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  No, I must admit. I just enjoy the chat really,
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  nobody must get around to watching the episode of the same
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  time. I'm not going to bring any extra
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  enjoyment to. You're just listening to the
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  commentary itself, but I'd like to think that it's got a little
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  bit of re-listen ability because of it did, you know, this is not
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  the first time that I've done a commentary on this particular
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  story. No tell me what, sorry, sorry.
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  Joe, you're you're not mean, you're not a virgin.
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  I would never have asked you all.
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  What do you weigh two episodes? Three two, drop that piece of
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  information. So, back in the day, friend of
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  mine, who I met through, what used, to be listening to, and a
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  show, I used to do many moons ago, and he had his own podcast,
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  A really lovely guy called bench.
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  Schneider who lives in Indiana and he was part of a podcast
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  called the Tower of technobabble and they decided it would be a
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  really good idea to try and break the world record for
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  longest consecutive. I think it was webcast, they
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  couldn't go out podcast. It was like a livestream.
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  So they went to a thing called Wonder Fest, which was in
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  Louisville, and the three of them.
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  Constantly put out this podcast for over 40 hours.
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  They did 40 hours of. Yes - podcasting.
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  Yeah. So they could they could kind
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  of, you know, obviously they get sleep brakes and stuff while.
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  Yeah, one of the other stepped in, for a bit.
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  So I asked my wife wouldn't be bloody coherent by the end.
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  Well, they've, they were hallucinating by the end, but
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  they watching this. Well, yeah, my contribution was
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  to offer to, to interact and we watch the horns of nyman me.
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  And Ben watch The Haunted Diamond together and did a
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  commentary on. Which passed a couple of hours
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  rather nicely. I thought you said it.
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  Well, rehearse Juneau and you can't see this D listens, but I
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  am holding up a Guinness Book of World Records certificate,
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  because I took part In the event is a lazy.
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  Yeah, what? And, you know, for podcasters
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  that is pretty amazing. You know, was, yeah, I only did
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  a couple. So, yeah.
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  I feel like I'm getting a lot of Glory for nothing, but it's not
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  there. He's right.
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  You have a certificate. So it's all day on paper.
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  Yeah. Here we go.
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  You know what? Right?
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  Well, I started my new shop that exact thing happened to me.
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  I'll bet you rip your pants. I tore my trousers Omar style,
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  right up the ass. I couldn't believe.
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  You're so embarrassed all these new people.
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  I was working with no. Well, I'll award is brandishing
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  a gun right now. Really is, she's kicking ass.
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  It really does. Alaska audio, right?
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  So they've left all the non-speaking.
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  Yeah, yeah. In the longer we go.
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  Jettison them. Yeah, we go.
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  Hopefully, they'll get eaten supper.
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  Let's pick the two principal actors.
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  Follow me. Kylie be really stuck it to the
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  people with no lines, followed them in because they just be
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  talking to them and getting nothing out of them.
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  You of indeterminate sex. What do you think?
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  I'm just gonna look around wildly at random.
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  Things. Look at the second ones.
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  Fabulous poem. She looks like yes, these props
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  that very expensive, I think they probably punch them from
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  the adventure game. But again I've got to praise and
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  sneery. He knows the limitations of
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  Doctor Who he knows a lot of corridors.
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  He writes a story where there's a shit High corridors that can
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  be moved around in a creative way.
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  Bravo it works. Yeah, I love the idea of having
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  updating the idea of the Maze and making it a microchip.
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  It's great. He has a little bit of a rant
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  actually, really not much of a rant because he's quite a guy.
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  But on the basically says he wished, when you saw the printed
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  circuit from above, yeah, it was a bit more explicit because the
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  idea is circuit ships. Yeah.
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  And the gates open and close. Yeah, but it's not.
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  Visually very clear. Hmm I think the doctor says it
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  doesn t in the text. Yes.
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  Very much the case of tell don't show.
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  Lovely couple wouldn't say 7 is he or she's very much into him
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  when he doesn't seem quite? So Keen, maybe he's with out
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  with a date with me. After this, I was going to say.
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  Maybe it was waiting for salty drown.
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  A corner, you know. And I sheilo confess this on
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  camera, right? Me and someone who shall remain
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  unnamed, Created a business before know, as I said before,
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  we're going out. So that tells you who it was
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  wonder? Who that could be?
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  There's a, there's a website called a teaspoon and open mind.
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  Have you heard of it? No, or okay.
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  So, it's Doctor Who fan fiction and there is just fan fiction,
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  sometimes, because Lucy McCall put foundation on there, like
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  she's right explicit store, no smart from Lucina, but there is
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  a lot of smart on there as well. Of course, I wrote this fabulous
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  adric and Seth fanfic Anonymous or not Anonymous anymore.
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  I did terrible things to be a link in the show notes,
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  everyone, and they are both of age before anyone.
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  Yeah, I'm sorry up. Okay.
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  He's got a massive lead for to pull that.
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  Now, I'm on the will get it. I think a bit later in this
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  episode. The, the mechanism for moving,
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  the transmat egg from one reality to another very basic.
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  I find. Oh, this looks at like a bit
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  from the generation game, cuddly toys.
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  So, for those of you not watching along the, the Victims
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  are putting their High met you cite crystals on to a revolving
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  door that disappears into a wall.
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  What are you talking about? I have you seen the generation
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  game. This this pantomime is basically
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  what they do at the end of the. Yeah, pretty much tell you what,
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  the nine months ago, a really awesome stereo system then they
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  look at that rack systems. Got they're all a little M and
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  needles and button which supplies.
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  Oh a heavy Rock. I'm going to set a now.
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  I'm going to say it's like something really.
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  Like not like the Osmonds. All right.
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  Yeah, yeah, crazy horses. I love how can hear in plain
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  sight now? Well, I'm sorry 02:36.
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  Do feel quite big though? Yeah, it's how he's being shot
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  if they feel quite tall. Yes, yeah.
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  No. I'll give you that.
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  And in general, I like this is a conversation.
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  You cannot have another doctor who fan your evening.
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  I like how the console Is roll up the walls, rather boring
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  panels free-standing. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. And then that work better on
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  whether dr. Tinker's.
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  It's like these great big pillars but they're all yes.
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  Quite oh, yeah. They always say the right now.
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  Yeah, I don't think the 91 have particularly good peripheral
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  vision. Do they cuz The way they hide
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  behind the the console's. It's not real.
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  He's behind you. Basically, you did.
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  You could play that with this so, can you?
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  Yeah, absolutely. I think about the more, I
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  thought this should be on the stage.
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  I paid to see it. Do you imagine Crown Crowder's
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  voice could reach the back of the theater?
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  He might, he be like, one of, you know, they do those Showings
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  of Rocky Horror at people, go dressed up as the characters.
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  You can imagine people go and dress up as characters around
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  every town. Yeah.
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  Now, this is the best best to acting.
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  They've done so far. Those exercise decide the cases.
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  Yeah, Mark, how would you play We're my acting.
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  Abilities are be one of these sacrifices.
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  Okay, I'll definitely go. So do do know I goes the copilot
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  split, trousers. No, although you already got
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  some onions. Go prepared.
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  That's what I say. Don't go Commander though.
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  Talking of. Sorry.
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  Well, this pair I wear my, I Really Work your little Awards.
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  That's a very compliment when for the show.
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  Well, no, she is gorgeous. Yeah.
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  Do you think I can ask you to think that he was pulling above
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  his weight there? I don't know whether I'm best
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  place to talk about his I mean he's a very unconventional
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  looking man. Why not?
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  There's such a strange couple because she's basically an
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  aristocrat. Isn't she in?
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  Yes, Bohemian lowlife but he's he has got an incredible
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  Charisma. You can't deny that.
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  And I think, possibly, that might have been what it was.
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  That this is ridiculous. Here we go.
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  Where is she? Was just absolutely beautiful
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  and very small so you can see what Drew him.
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  Mmm. But what's clear is, and I'm
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  sure you've know people like this in your life, you know,
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  friends of yours where you see a relationship from the outside
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  and go up by, this is never going to work, everyone.
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  Sort of goes, I'm so happy for you.
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  Well, one of my wife's friends once said that, we were the two
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  most oppositely educated people she's ever met.
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  What does that mean? I think she was commenting on
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  the fact of my wife's got a PhD in a masters and I have I don't
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  have let you cse's. I scraped through this is what's
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  called so much like I don't turn Ramana but you seem like a very
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  smart man to me. Well, I'm full of not why I'm
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  full of shit but I'm full of useless facts on stuff that's
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  going to not really make me any kind of wealth or money but I
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  can remember lots of stuff about this kind of, but they are music
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  interest to people. My way.
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  Wow, if you're suitably sad enough, yes possibly, excuse me.
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  I'm already trying to entice you back.
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  Okay, so I've completely lost track of the plot so they're
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  trying to figure out why they're trying to generate a black hole.
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  What would be the point of generating?
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  A black hole is to come take a hyperspace tunnel between two
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  Thrice. Is that right?
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  Absolutely. So it's like like sort of diving
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  through a hole to another planet like a wormhole.
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  Yeah. Yes. 90.
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  Stop it. Now, you're talking my language.
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  Oh yeah. I'm a bit DS9 only.
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  So, I'll here we go. We've got soul deed giving one
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  of his fabulous. Insane speeches to his crowd of
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  about five people. Yeah, you can see the budget is,
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  it's been used. Although one point, they put the
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  camera really high in the state. I don't know quite how they do
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  it, there's a sure. Yeah.
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  Unfortunately, it needs to be about, you know, 50,000 people
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  rather than you could do it these days.
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  Just have a green screen and stick a load of CGI people in.
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  Yeah. What I do that?
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  Remember in rings of akhaten. Oh yeah.
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  But you see that same robot about 80 times in the audience
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  it's the same little bit of the audience.
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  So I'm going to shock you Joe the white.
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  I quite like the rings of akhaten the reserve accent is my
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  favorite episode of Series 7, B. Now, what are you go?
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  I've stopped doing it. The bar is relatively low in
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  serious. Very No, I was clamoring to do
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  nightmare in silver, you know. Mmm will join into the Senate,
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  rather Tardis. Oh God.
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  But but sometimes some of the worst stories are the ones that
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  you can get the best mileage out of four to Doomsday had a blast
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  for that, you know. Yeah.
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  That sequence a where he was screaming at you know those
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  geriatrics that again does show just how rubbish these people
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  are desperate for this old Empire and to go around and
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  civilize and destroy all the other planets.
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  And yet they're just a buzz from whimpering old men.
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  It's called even Rouser cry. They kind of go.
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  Yeah. Scorned.
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  Yeah, people often this guy's the youngest one of the lot is
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  that, I believe they deserve to be duped by the 91.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  They had it coming. There's no women on scone us.
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  If you notice that, Maybe I will buy mr.
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  Trick, sorry, Lyle Daddy's, but too many old men.
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  In the sort of half, dog? That no one Silhouettes, pretty
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  good. Yeah.
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  And this is being episode for, you know, where they keep doing
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  this or bleach. Red lighting, go.
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  Yeah, that Rascal. Yeah.
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  Wife and family Spirit. Yeah, Douglas horns of death
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  going crazy. Dudley's horn to death.
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  Excuse me while I whip out Dudley's horns of death.
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  Yeah, that just gesture Kovac doing his Dudley Simpson.
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  He's a genius, isn't he? He was at the BFI right for the
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  sea devil, Z managed to make Malcolm's Clark's Music, sound
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  lyrical, are the sea Devils. The music from that, I
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  absolutely hated it. And then I had a kind of Road to
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  Damascus moment where I just suddenly, it's something clicked
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  in my mind and I thought, wow, this is bloody brilliant.
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  It's weird and discordant it, which makes it kind of creepy.
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  Have you ever heard the orbital version, by one of the Hartnell
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  brothers from orbital? So, I'll send you a link after
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  we finish. Recording is so good.
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  I'll send you a picture Nick, LeBrons pubes, and you sir, I
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  think they were planning to do. But yeah, I think they were
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  planning on doing an album of like reinterpretations of
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  classic Doctor Who music, but it never really, it never came to
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  anything. But that version of the CW's by
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  orbital ways hanging after hear that.
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  And okay, well, I'll tell you what, well, I'll release this,
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  put this will you put this down in the in the Twitter below?
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  Yeah, it for everyone to listen to it, enough to do.
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  New Hot smart one but who cares, you know.
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  They salute. He's really having trouble with
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  his plunger there and he really is he's given that he's grabbing
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  it with both hands. Gonna get all the anchor of the
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  barely height of. Its kind of said, before I
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  peripheral vision is absolute, shit is not very good at the
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  size of his age. It makes you wonder how they
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  managed to conquer the last planet really because they're
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  bloody hopeless, aren't they really that's Beyonce spray on
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  these gullible fools us? Yeah.
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  Yeah. We should elect these bozos into
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  power in the first place should be this.
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  Whole weird subplot of our canine.
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  I'm not sure this goes anywhere. It's just an excuse to take him
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  out of the program for a while. It becomes a bit too useful
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  doesn't need because he's he's like the Sonic Screwdriver on
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  steroids. He can do anything, he can blast
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  stuff, he can work out how to change things.
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  He can, you know, he's a genius. He quit.
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  Traumatizing they are these lovely little boys.
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  Like, sigh heart who was 4 years old.
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  This is on. Yeah, it's an 18, watched him?
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  Get decapitated and going. Oh God, yeah.
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  Yeah, I was, I was really upset when they took his head off.
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  I'll stay. So, what, why were the homes on
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  the building lighten up there because they could tell you
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  that, we're going back to light up once Jesus.
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  All right. I think it's to do with the fact
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  that they because this was the last of the tributes wasn't it.
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  And once I've got the tributes, they've got enough power to set
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  the egg in motion so they can get it from crane off.
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  What so what Sal it is the mattress is that is converted.
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  That's the black hole. Yeah, that's powering the black
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  hole travel system. What we're saying here is the
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  nuts and bolts, this story actually do make a kind of
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  sense, even though there's a logic to it.
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  Yes, oh yeah. It's just wrapped up in Allah
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  and awful lot of panto trappings other.
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  The anyone does peeking around console active better than Tom
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  Bass. It's a hotly contested thing
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  really is the eggs they do recommend.
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  Isn't it is very welcome. Indeed no more.
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  Chaminda. Stop, you're taking me back.
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  Nano know how those normal expect to get in.
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  And out of that thing though is I know I can barely got the
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  stairs let alone fight their way out of the gate is in my
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  towelettes to protect their Mother's Day.
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  Jesus. Grecian.
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  I think they all got my knowledge on this stuff is poor
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  Nathan's going to be sad. I don't go allows you idiots.
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  He can't wait to hear this. It was telling me earlier, you
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  poor thing. He said he's a smart bloke you
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  know all about the Greeks. Oh no I should have got Eric
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  stadnyk on. He would have known all about
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  it. I'm having too much fun with you
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  though, sorry. All right.
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  Now, we're talking about chafing with, we're recording season 5
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  or the moment and we've recently done the ice Warriors Christ
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  alive. Would you want to be in one of
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  those suits? The fiberglass chafing you some
• 23:25
  mentionable larger, the costumes, in both of those
• 23:29
  trout, on mines, Morrow costume. You know, the ones with a little
• 23:32
  about the underpants on the outside.
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  I mean, whoever envisaged a future looking at that.
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  Yeah. Terrifying.
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  Oh, in episode 4. I've just remembered.
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  We go off and see Edward Warfield.
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  Don't worry. We did our way.
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  I that blew my mind. The first time I found out it
• 23:51
  was the same guy. I like, what?
• 23:53
  It remember the pit Rico's alert.
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  How many more are coming? I mean this.
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  But, you know, like the idea is there are millions of nylon.
• 24:21
  Yeah. We only see three.
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  This was a new series episode. We would see million maybe storm
• 24:28
  in the place. Yeah.
• 24:32
  We can ask be very clever. I'll see you at the whole thing.
• 24:35
  Could blow like every line. What is so teaspoon in there?
• 24:43
  Yeah it's kind of look. So he does that business.
• 24:46
  We're looking at and then It's very odd, isn't it?
• 24:50
  Well, this is the bit of it. Where soldiers says, it's a
• 24:52
  Surah 63. It's the real real becomes a
• 24:58
  meddlesome hussy. Now.
• 24:58
  Only you battle. Some of us do not blaspheme.
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  The name is making us smile. It's a classic.
• 25:17
  What more can can you ask for if you don't like this, you don't
• 25:20
  like fun. That's what I'm gonna say.
• 25:22
  There we go. That's quite good by something.
• 25:24
  Let me know. As he told me to break a does
• 25:30
  good. Playing about with consoles as
• 25:32
  well? He just, yeah, although sort of
• 25:34
  nuts and bolts of the series, technobabble flows out of his
• 25:38
  mouth easily. He fiddles about with things
• 25:40
  convincingly, he's a natural-born eccentric, like he
• 25:44
  was just bored to do this, right?
• 25:45
  He was, he was now people are quick to have a go at Tom for
• 25:50
  overdoing it and camping it up a bit too much just being A bit
• 25:56
  extra but I think because G crowd is going so crazy, but
• 26:02
  this he and Lala just play it completely straight and it works
• 26:06
  so well. I think there's a few examples
• 26:10
  of that, you know, across Doctor Who I think.
• 26:12
  That's what happens in the underwater Menace.
• 26:14
  We Joseph first and trout, and then it's like what?
• 26:18
  There's no fucking way. I'm gonna tear this and I think
• 26:22
  it happens in Paradise towers as well.
• 26:23
  We're yeah, quite who's very subdued in that whilst everyone
• 26:27
  else is playing it so the hill. Oh, It's all right I can explain
• 26:35
  everything we get about follows great.
• 26:38
  Yeah areas where their camera just Zooms in on Tom Baker
• 26:40
  looking very, very perturbed. I'll pour Ramana.
• 26:47
  What's going to happen to her now Oh, I feel as if they're the
• 26:53
  official account there. Hey, it's just crazy how he
• 26:59
  died. You're battling fool.
• 27:04
  And no one does Boggle. I'd better than look at that
• 27:07
  hair than Tom Baker. I'm incredibly When You Reach
• 27:10
  This and your podcast. I can't wife are probably about
• 27:15
  another 40 years, the rate we're going, but you know, we'll get
• 27:17
  there in the end. Well, I was just sort of
• 27:19
  recording speed slow. We can't be going since 2020,
• 27:26
  and we are about halfway through season five now, but as we were
• 27:31
  saying off Mike earlier, hopefully now we're getting
• 27:35
  towards the end of the black and white era.
• 27:37
  The seasons are quite a bit shorter, so that Means that we
• 27:43
  should start powering through a bit more quickly, so that's our
• 27:45
  hope. A lot me who keeps churning them
• 27:49
  out every two minutes? Well, you're a machine.
• 27:53
  What's the rumor? I heard anyway.
• 27:58
  Okay. Back to Twitter.
• 28:00
  Yes. No, not the mind.
• 28:02
  Probe what a great name. Mmm, someone should do a quiz
• 28:05
  about. That would be great.
• 28:07
  His native her a shirt. It's called at dr.
• 28:10
  Ho ho no. I was what-who idea these days.
• 28:14
  He says this is the perfect Doctor Who Christmas Story light
• 28:17
  and frothy. With a cracking, good story and
• 28:19
  a wonderful violent. Boo, and hiss at also has a fair
• 28:22
  chunk of the action to lalla Ward, who gives us a preview of
• 28:25
  how great she would have been playing the doctor.
• 28:28
  Mmm, Yeah, have discussed. Or Fair points or Fair points.
• 28:35
  This is Dudley Simpsons final Doctor Who Score says day ready,
• 28:39
  does he go out with a bang in this one?
• 28:43
  I think as we discussed earlier is not perhaps its greatest but
• 28:48
  You can't be a bit Dudley. Yeah.
• 28:50
  All right. Sort of a mediocre docking.
• 28:51
  Since it's an average is not Paul.
• 28:54
  It's not great. It's just in the middle.
• 28:57
  Dylan reads too hot for TV says I have no questions.
• 29:00
  This story is perfect. My modeling is correct.
• 29:03
  Yeah, we love Dylan. Rod, who asks as the comedy
• 29:08
  sound effect of the TARDIS breaking down in episode 2, is
• 29:10
  the only weak point we beg to differ.
• 29:13
  Yeah, we love it. What are they say?
• 29:16
  Was asking the same? It was Why have one don't like
• 29:18
  this story? Yeah.
• 29:20
  And yeah. Like this story.
• 29:22
  Yeah. They're all saying like, that's
• 29:24
  correct. Okay.
• 29:26
  Fine man. Wisdom is, you know, we get it
• 29:30
  with lots of stories, we're back in the days before the internet,
• 29:33
  where people could exchange their views.
• 29:35
  You'd be reading these tomes like the key to time and some of
• 29:40
  those a celebration and people will be giving their opinions on
• 29:44
  stories that they'd seen as a kid.
• 29:45
  We couldn't see. So kind of took it.
• 29:48
  Shredders, that's how it is. And I think that's the beauty of
• 29:52
  this show is that there's constant Rejuvenation through
• 29:56
  new generations, finding stories and getting their own, take out
• 30:00
  of it or I'll Generations as well.
• 30:03
  Soroka site me. There's a reason why my listener
• 30:07
  base is sort of the 30 to 50 Mark.
• 30:11
  Well, I'm making up part of that, so yeah, that's true.
• 30:13
  Okay, well, I'm going to go out with the question from James and
• 30:17
  thrums who asks, hordes of 91 is often praised for The story
• 30:21
  where Ramona gets to be. The doctor EG, having her own
• 30:24
  Sonic Screwdriver, is this Romana to strongest outing?
• 30:32
  I think she's pretty strong across the board.
• 30:34
  I don't, I mean, if you compare it to a lot of the companions,
• 30:40
  particularly some of the earlier ones, She's not, she's not like
• 30:45
  a screamer who just gets dropped in situations and and is needing
• 30:51
  to be rescued. She's quite proactive right the
• 30:53
  way through I think. Anyway, I think she's They've
• 30:58
  set her up much more as an equal to the doctor.
• 31:00
  So I don't think I find right across the board including Mary
• 31:04
  times as well. I think she's just really,
• 31:06
  really strong LOL Awards. Weakest story is the Armageddon
• 31:13
  Factor. We're sure laying on my back.
• 31:20
  I love the key to time but it is a pretty is a bit of a damp
• 31:23
  squib at the end, isn't it? He got to say, All right, I'll
• 31:26
  see. I did that.
• 31:27
  I did that with Simon Fraser and we really enjoyed it.
• 31:31
  We watched it together like the shadow.
• 31:33
  He's great sort of the Christmas and the layering of ideas that
• 31:38
  there are in it, things like it's over long and again, it
• 31:41
  gets a bit. That's, that's a problem with a
• 31:43
  lot of older who, you know, you could trim a couple of episodes
• 31:45
  off and make something really good, but because they trying to
• 31:49
  stretch the budget, they have to make it a bit longer.
• 31:52
  I thought knew who goes in the other direction.
• 31:54
  I'm like this. Just had another 15 minutes.
• 31:57
  You know? Yeah, it's things out a little
• 31:59
  bit. We're never satisfied.
• 32:01
  Always are not bloody miserable gets.
• 32:03
  We should just do it for what it is.
• 32:06
  Well, I had a marvelous time with one.
• 32:08
  Two, three, are you ready to watch?
• 32:10
  Episode 4 with me? Just watch season 17.
• 32:13
  Come to a rousing conclusion. Let's do it.