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#1552 A Person, Not A Condition - Unna Goldsworthy · The You Project

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Speaker 1: Oh good a team. It's apps, it's the bloody you project.
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Speaker 1: What else would it be? Uh Anna from Ana Movement
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Speaker 1: is here. She's been here many times before over the
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Speaker 1: six years? How how many times you reckon you've been
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Speaker 1: on on TYP? Would you say ten, fifteen or more?
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Speaker 2: So, I don't know. I'm really bad with time, like
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Speaker 2: really really bad.
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Speaker 3: So when you said six years, my only references is
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Speaker 3: my daughter is just turned six. So TYP started when
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Speaker 3: little Frankie was zero.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe a couple of times are here?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably a dozen or so. Anyway, enough of that.
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Speaker 1: People don't need the fucking typ stats. Nobody's tuning in
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Speaker 1: for that.
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Speaker 3: Are you?
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Speaker 1: How are you?
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Speaker 2: I'm good? Thank you?
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Speaker 3: I am I'm feeling well, I am feeling focused.
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Speaker 2: I am good.
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Speaker 1: Now, I've never asked you this. Maybe i've asked you this,
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Speaker 1: but I've never asked you on air, and this is
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Speaker 1: was not part of my intent the conversation. But then,
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Speaker 1: do I really have a plan? We all know that
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Speaker 1: what is the etymology or what is the genesis story
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Speaker 1: of your name? Because a few people have asked me,
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Speaker 1: and I go, I don't fucking know and know everyone
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Speaker 1: who name's not Anna it's Anna. With you, it's Anna.
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Speaker 1: What is the origin story of your name?
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Speaker 3: So as I understand it, my mother liked the pronunciation
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Speaker 3: of like the old English way of saying Anna, which
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Speaker 3: was Anna, and I think some European countries have like yuna,
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Speaker 3: which is like just one n. So her way of
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Speaker 3: getting that was to change the spelling of Anna so
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Speaker 3: that I didn't get called Anna.
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Speaker 2: So she changed it to you double na and then yeah. Now,
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Speaker 2: or when I.
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Speaker 3: Was a kid's doing competitive swimming and stuff like that,
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Speaker 3: I'd get uner and una and all the other versions,
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Speaker 3: and you'd just kind of cop it for a little bit.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, now in my older age, I correct people
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Speaker 3: as soon as possible. And our dear friend, the wonderful
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Speaker 3: Olympian Brendan Cole, if he's with me, he introduces me
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Speaker 3: and he gets people to go through a little like
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Speaker 3: tick box of.
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Speaker 2: How to pronounce my name.
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Speaker 3: So he's he says, say under and then they say
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Speaker 3: under and they say I now say Anna, and then.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't let them do out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't let them carry on until they've jumped
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Speaker 3: that language language.
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Speaker 2: Who Yeah, because I've.
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Speaker 1: Known you for twenty five years, of course I don't
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Speaker 1: think about it, and I don't notice it except today
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Speaker 1: We've got a new backdrop for you with your word
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Speaker 1: your name written there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But yes, it's when I when people go, oh, I
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Speaker 1: heard you know whatever, Anna, Honor Una Anna, They're like, ah,
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Speaker 1: has it? I'll finish after this. Has it been I mean,
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Speaker 1: you've never known any other name, So, but has it
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Speaker 1: been problematic or has it been a positive or a negative?
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Speaker 1: Because like, I've got another friend that you know, her
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Speaker 1: name is russ right, her literal name is Russell. It's
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Speaker 1: not a nickname, it's and she's a her and she
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Speaker 1: hates her name. Yeah, what was it like growing up
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Speaker 1: with a name that nobody else has?
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Speaker 4: It did used to shit me as a kid because
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Speaker 4: it was a lot of kids get their teases their name,
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Speaker 4: but more pops up with my cousins because they used
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Speaker 4: to call me, you know, like as in the card
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Speaker 4: game and Anna Banana and I don't know why.
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Speaker 2: They're all quite lovely, but they used to just annoy me.
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Speaker 3: Why But yeah, so it did annoy me a little bit,
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Speaker 3: but I have gotten over it. I think probably along
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Speaker 3: the lines with me also standing up and advocating for
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Speaker 3: how to say it correctly helped, but it was super
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Speaker 3: embarrassing when you'd stand on the blocks or you get
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Speaker 3: called out for marshaling for sports and things, and they
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Speaker 3: would say like you know, or owner, and it would
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Speaker 3: feel embarrassing because it sounded I guess it just sounded
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Speaker 3: wrong because if someone else introduced themselves as owner, I
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Speaker 3: wouldn't be like, oh, what a stupid name.
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Speaker 2: I'd be to be like, I.
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Speaker 3: Guess I'm hearing it going, that's not how you say
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Speaker 3: my name. So that was the irritation.
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Speaker 1: The fact to me that there's two ends not one
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Speaker 1: kind of for me, that's pretty self explanatory, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's like, anyway, that's enough. Hey, somebody said to me today.
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Speaker 1: I told them that I've I have a guy who
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Speaker 1: works with my dad who's an excise physiologist and he's awesome.
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Speaker 1: I and they said, what is an excise physiologist? And
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Speaker 1: so I explained to them, but why don't you like,
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Speaker 1: what's the difference between And we're not we're not judging here,
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Speaker 1: We're just clarifying what's the difference between a gym instructor,
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Speaker 1: a personal trainer, and an AP Like what's the role? Firstly,
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Speaker 1: how do you become an ap and what's the role of.
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Speaker 3: An ap Okay, so in back in our day, back
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Speaker 3: in the day, back in our day, and it's not
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Speaker 3: it's in the last couple of years it's changed. But
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Speaker 3: back in our day, you had to do an undergraduate
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Speaker 3: degree in exercise science to then be able to do
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Speaker 3: apply to do a masters in exercise rehab and then
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Speaker 3: after you'd finished that, you could apply to become an
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Speaker 3: exercise physiologist through an accredited body and but you had
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Speaker 3: to kind of jump through all of those hoops, which
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Speaker 3: is a little bit different to you know, someone that
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Speaker 3: at that stage would go in and they would do
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Speaker 3: physio as the course and they exit as a physio
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Speaker 3: qualified and no more hoops to jump. Then now that
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Speaker 3: that exists as a master course where you finish it
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Speaker 3: and you are qualified at the end of it, but
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Speaker 3: there was just a few more hoops to jump when
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Speaker 3: we're going through. And our role within the Allied Health
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Speaker 3: world is to understand the physiology of movement and how
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Speaker 3: it affects the body, or exercise and how it affects
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Speaker 3: the body, and then secondary to that is the physiology
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Speaker 3: of diseases and how applying exercise will either support someone's treatment,
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Speaker 3: so help their treatment to be more effective or to
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Speaker 3: avoid particular progressions of diseases and disease processes, or specifically
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Speaker 3: like rehab, or there might have been someone's had an amputation,
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Speaker 3: or they've had a spinal cord injury and they're needing
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Speaker 3: to become strong enough and understand all the intricacies of
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Speaker 3: changes in physiology when you've had a final cord injury
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Speaker 3: and what that means to be able to stay healthy
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Speaker 3: in how to work with that person in a really
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Speaker 3: safe way.
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Speaker 1: It's such an interesting concept, isn't it When you think
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Speaker 1: about like when we think about drugs and we think
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Speaker 1: about a prescription and we think about a dose generally,
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Speaker 1: when we for the average person, when you talk about, oh,
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Speaker 1: I need to get a new prescription or a new script,
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Speaker 1: which it gets abbreviated to, we're always thinking of drugs, tablets, pills, powders, potions, right,
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Speaker 1: something that we go and get from a pharmacy and
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Speaker 1: we get prescribed by a doctor. But people like you
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Speaker 1: prescribe exercise right literally as a prescription based on you know,
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Speaker 1: similar things, and I think what we need doctors and
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Speaker 1: doctors are amazing, So this is no dis on doctors.
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Speaker 1: Doctors are brilliant, but doctors have zero training and exercise prescription, right,
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Speaker 1: and that's not meant to be their job anyway. Which
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean they should suggest that you exercise or whatever.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think, you know, so somebody like you
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Speaker 1: has to do five years of training, you know, one
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Speaker 1: short of medicine to be able to prescribe exercise. And
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Speaker 1: I wonder how often And this is no fucking revelatory statement.
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Speaker 1: It's not like this is groundbreaking concept, but I wonder
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Speaker 1: how often people could avoid drugs if they were prescribed
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Speaker 1: and exercise intervention and actually did it properly. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know there's no way to quantify that, you know,
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Speaker 1: but what are your thoughts around that idea?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's as tricky as you're implying, because
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Speaker 3: I guess one of the catchphrases is exercise is medicine,
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Speaker 3: and that there's what's that phrase? It was quite popular
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Speaker 3: a few years ago. It said if they if we
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Speaker 3: could bottle what exercise does for health and distribute it
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Speaker 3: as a pill, we'd be rich. Like that would be
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Speaker 3: the one pill that people, yeah, would take and it
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Speaker 3: would fix lots and lots of problems. The challenge being well,
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Speaker 3: even some people have trouble remembering or committing to taking
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Speaker 3: a tablet as well, but even more so or a
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Speaker 3: thousandfold trickier for humans to commit to doing exercise as
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Speaker 3: something that they know will improve their health. You know,
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Speaker 3: they might say, yes, I would like to be stronger,
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Speaker 3: or yes, I would like to feel more energized, but
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Speaker 3: the cost of actually doing what's required is the huge
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Speaker 3: hurdle that most humans aren't willing willing to participate, or
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Speaker 3: they only do it for a small amount of time
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Speaker 3: and then you know, life gets distracting or any of
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Speaker 3: those things that fall into the real tricky trouble.
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Speaker 2: Of being a human.
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Speaker 3: And I learned that the hardest when I worked in
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Speaker 3: a research project that looked at ICU survivors and yeah,
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Speaker 3: they quite literally survived death, and the project was looking
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Speaker 3: at a particular exercise regimen to help them avoid particular
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Speaker 3: health issues that come after surviving ICU. And to us,
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Speaker 3: as the researchers have excited, this is this is what
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Speaker 3: we expect to happen, and it'll be easy, right because
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Speaker 3: you know, these people will be so grateful to be
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Speaker 3: part of a research project where they get this for free,
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Speaker 3: and the biggest challenge we had, by far, the hugest
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Speaker 3: challenge we had, was getting people to participate after their
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Speaker 3: left hospital, so coming back and being part of that
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Speaker 3: final little stretch of exercise, prescription and support. That was
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Speaker 3: where it became really really tricky to see through to
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Speaker 3: the end of the research piece.
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Speaker 1: I call it the compliance conundrum. It's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: people are so good, if well, not so good, but
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Speaker 1: they're considerably better if they're in the middle of a
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Speaker 1: program and someone's there and someone's kind of poking, prodding, supporting.
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Speaker 3: Literally walking to bedside and going, hey, we're going to
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Speaker 3: do it now.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: So but it was a huge eye opener for me
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Speaker 3: because I was only what maybe three years out of
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Speaker 3: Masters and working in a hospital system at that stage,
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Speaker 3: and that blew my mind.
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Speaker 2: I was like, like.
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Speaker 3: You know, just to give young chicken and thinking that
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Speaker 3: everyone wanted fantastic health and everyone must love exercise as
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Speaker 3: much as I do. So it was I was very
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Speaker 3: thankful to get that big, hard learning lesson and a
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Speaker 3: decent slap in the face about what human behavior and
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Speaker 3: health is about so early on in my career.
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Speaker 1: Again, there's a concept which I've spoken about too much lately,
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Speaker 1: I'll try not to in psychology called false consensus effect.
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Speaker 1: And that is what you just said, where you thought, oh,
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Speaker 1: everybody must love exercise, like why wouldn't you? It's so good?
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Speaker 1: You know. It's like when you think that people will
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Speaker 1: think like you, yeah, you know where and as you
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Speaker 1: now know well and truly like I you know, when
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Speaker 1: I was young and dumb, I'm still dumb, but I'm
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Speaker 1: old and dumb. But when I was young and dumb er, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was the same. I'm like, oh, well, once they
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Speaker 1: know that this can do that, well, they're going to
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Speaker 1: be on board. For people, I'm like, well, why wouldn't you?
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Speaker 1: This is probably going to take you out of diabetes,
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Speaker 1: like because you're a type two diabetic and we can
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Speaker 1: do this and that, and that's probably going to give
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Speaker 1: you a big chances of switching that off and da
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Speaker 1: da da da. And it's like and then there's this
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Speaker 1: other component that you don't really think of because you're
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Speaker 1: looking through your eyes and you're thinking through your kind
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Speaker 1: of cognitive processes, right whereas oh, by the way, oh
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Speaker 1: the stuff that you need to do is not fun
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Speaker 1: quick as easy or painless. Oh, there's that, you know,
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Speaker 1: and also you kind of keep you have to keep
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Speaker 1: doing it for I don't know ever, yeah, now, just ever,
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Speaker 1: Like the idea of as you said, like the idea
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Speaker 1: of a pill is like, well, fuck you, give me
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Speaker 1: the pill. I just take that and bibbity bobbity bood
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Speaker 1: bit of orange juice or whatever, and four seconds later
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Speaker 1: my work is done. I'm back on the couch. But
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Speaker 1: the idea of how about we don't take the pill.
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Speaker 1: How about we change our diet and our lifestyle and
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Speaker 1: our habits and our behaviors and our movement patterns, and
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Speaker 1: how about we creating new operating system And look, I
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Speaker 1: know you've been doing this and doing that for the
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Speaker 1: last oh thirty years, but eh, and it's not going
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Speaker 1: to be quick. But in a year you could be
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Speaker 1: fucking brand new. Like people like, no, fuck that, give
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Speaker 1: me a pill.
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Speaker 2: It's too uncomfy.
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Speaker 3: It's too uncomfortable, or I've got too many other things
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Speaker 3: going on in my head for me to even be
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Speaker 3: able to entertain this without a huge kind of rejigging
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Speaker 3: of my personal operating system.
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Speaker 2: And that feels harder as well.
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Speaker 3: Not even the physical effort because ironically as well, because
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Speaker 3: if I think, let me know what you were like.
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Speaker 3: But I remember some of those first programs I used
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Speaker 3: to write, and I was so excited. So at this point,
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Speaker 3: at this point, I believe I'd finished undergrad and I'd
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Speaker 3: gotten a job in a gym, and that I don't
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Speaker 3: think i'd started Masters yet. I can't remember the timeline,
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Speaker 3: but either way, there was a very excitable me just
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Speaker 3: love in the gym and also in a young person's body,
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Speaker 3: which is pretty resilient and you can probably train, overtrain
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Speaker 3: a little bit and you're pretty robust. You don't get
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Speaker 3: as many as many issues as maybe like fifteen years
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Speaker 3: into the future. But I would just write all the
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Speaker 3: ex sizes down because I just thought they were all fantastic,
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Speaker 3: and I was expecting other people to be as excited
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Speaker 3: about these exercises as possible. And I can clearly remember
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Speaker 3: them coming in as you know, older people who had
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Speaker 3: a lot more on their plate than I did. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: try not understanding this challenge of having to work full
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Speaker 3: time and also at the end of the day, you
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Speaker 3: completely bothered to get past the you know, the overwhelmed
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Speaker 3: that the brain's been through and completely incapable of then going, okay,
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Speaker 3: it's a great idea to go to the gym now
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Speaker 3: as well, and having that part of your decision making
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Speaker 3: process just be completely exhausted and blanked out. But at
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Speaker 3: the same time them relying on my just blind enthusiasm
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Speaker 3: to lean on as well or turn up for this
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Speaker 3: kid because they're pretty excited and at least I'll lean
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Speaker 3: on their enthusiasm. So maybe like a benefit of the
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Speaker 3: me being a little bit immature with the way I
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Speaker 3: was going about or not completely understanding or being able
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Speaker 3: to see into the future of their challenges.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something there's something to be said though, like
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Speaker 1: your enthusiasm and that that energy, Like there's something to
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Speaker 1: be said for just bringing great energy to any situation.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm very conscious of even if I'm not having
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Speaker 1: a good day, which is not that often, but I'm
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Speaker 1: very conscious of even doing doing podcasts and making sure
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Speaker 1: that at the very least for the hour or so
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Speaker 1: that I'm chatting, that I have good energy, that I'm
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Speaker 1: in a good place, And you know, I feel like
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Speaker 1: that's a responsibility. Fortunately for me, I don't really have
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Speaker 1: to manufacture it too often. But you know, today For example,
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Speaker 1: I did a gig at the Mature in don K
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Speaker 1: I think I'm allowed to say. I did a gig
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Speaker 1: for Fernwood. Shout out Fernwood. They're so nice, such a
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Speaker 1: great culture, such a great company. But I did a
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Speaker 1: one hour presentation, brand new presentation on irresistible culture, and
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Speaker 1: that was all they said. Our theme for the day
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Speaker 1: is irresistible culture, and what you do with that is
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Speaker 1: up to you. I'm like cool, So last night I
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Speaker 1: wrote a brand new presentation, like, never done this in
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Speaker 1: thirty four years of public speaking, I've never done this
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Speaker 1: presentation before. I wrote it just for them, and it's
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Speaker 1: really good because it made me think about, like, how
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Speaker 1: do we build an environment, a culture, a situation, a team,
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Speaker 1: a group that people want to be part of, and
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Speaker 1: not only do they want to come to this place,
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Speaker 1: come to this group, but they want to keep coming back,
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Speaker 1: Like you think about so you let's say, for example,
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Speaker 1: you know you're a superstar. Exercise physiologists from a technical
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Speaker 1: point of view, anatomy physiology by mechanics, all the disease states,
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Speaker 1: all the appropriate prescriptions and treatments and blah blah blah,
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Speaker 1: you know it all, but emotionally and psychologically and sociologically like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, she's hard work. Like you could be
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Speaker 1: the smartest ep in Australia. But if you don't bring
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Speaker 1: good energy to let's say, most encounters, people aren't coming
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Speaker 1: back right. Like I employed five hundred trainers over my
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Speaker 1: journey in owning Harper's, and I can tell you the
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Speaker 1: most popular trainers were just the ones that had the
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Speaker 1: best energy that people love to be around. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: like Anna's got a master's degree, I'll only see her.
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Speaker 1: It was about, oh, no, fuck, I love Anna. She's
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Speaker 1: ace like, she's fun, she cares, she has empathy, she's
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Speaker 1: got good energy. She gets me. It's all That's not like,
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Speaker 1: oh you should fucking talk to her about the nervous system.
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Speaker 1: She's a gun. It's got nothing to do with that.
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Speaker 1: It's like, can we build rapport with it?
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Speaker 3: It makes me think about this kind of like a hierarchy,
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Speaker 3: not a hierarchy and sort of you know, power or whatever.
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Speaker 3: But when we look at I guess the amount of
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Speaker 3: time that we spend with people. If we put like
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Speaker 3: our example, your example here at the bottom, I spend
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Speaker 3: a lot of time with that person trying to nd
19:27
Speaker 3: out challenges and what that looks like conscious as well,
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Speaker 3: And then you go, okay, who do I care less
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Speaker 3: about their personality and more about their absolute skill set
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Speaker 3: and abilities. That's something like a surgeon, and like, okay,
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Speaker 3: it's right the flip of it, it's like, Okay, we're
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Speaker 3: dealing within. You're helping me regain control, whereas at the
19:51
Speaker 3: other end of it, it's you're taking a control of
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Speaker 3: my knee while I'm unconscious, and you're going to fix it. So, yeah,
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Speaker 3: we don't mind about your personality. We do really care
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Speaker 3: about the.
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Speaker 1: Level of and that's that's so true. But even with that,
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Speaker 1: we had we've had doctor Alex, doctor Alex Copeman on
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Speaker 1: the show a bunch, right, and we love him his ace.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's a more I mean, well,
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Speaker 1: I won't say important, but being a brain surgeon is
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Speaker 1: a pretty fucking important job, right. It's not like you
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Speaker 1: don't want anyone just anyone doing that. And there's a
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Speaker 1: huge amount of skill and knowledge and training and years
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Speaker 1: of experience and competence and confidence and all of that.
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Speaker 1: But even he says, it probably killed me for saying this.
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Speaker 1: Some neurosurgeons are pricks and they're not nice people. And
20:43
Speaker 1: they're not nice and they might be technically good, but
20:48
Speaker 1: you know, to case in point, and I can't say who,
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Speaker 1: but a friend of mine who's having like issues, he
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Speaker 1: met with Alex last week. And the feedback from my
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Speaker 1: friend was he's awesome. Yeah, and yes, he's very good
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Speaker 1: at his job. But you know what he said. He said,
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Speaker 1: he sat with me for an hour, right, and he
21:13
Speaker 1: talked to me and he listened to me, and he
21:17
Speaker 1: like even and I understand they're very busy. And there's
21:19
Speaker 1: a lot of neurosurgeons who are brilliant and all that, right,
21:22
Speaker 1: So we're not saying neurosurgeons are good or bad, but
21:25
Speaker 1: there are some. It's like there are some podcasters who
21:27
Speaker 1: are fucking idiots. There are some some people might say
21:30
Speaker 1: I'm in that group. You know, they're an exos physiologists
21:33
Speaker 1: that are amazing and not so much. It's not about
21:35
Speaker 1: the profession, it's about individuals. But I'm with you, Yeah,
21:39
Speaker 1: finding a person, be that an EP or a gardener
21:43
Speaker 1: or a neurosurgeon that you trust and that you like
21:48
Speaker 1: and that you like being around them, or at the
21:50
Speaker 1: very least you trust them to be at your house
21:52
Speaker 1: or work with your brain or whatever it is, like,
21:56
Speaker 1: it's pretty important.
21:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's he's probably hit the trifecta there, or
22:02
Speaker 3: at least or multiples of whatever's required to be an
22:07
Speaker 3: awesome guy.
22:09
Speaker 1: In I started working in gyms in eighty two and
22:13
Speaker 1: I stopped officially working in gyms in twenty fourteen. So
22:19
Speaker 1: that's aden, what's that thirty six years that's actually owning gyms,
22:24
Speaker 1: working in gyms, and I still do stuff in gyms.
22:27
Speaker 1: I still you know, obviously I worked with a chain
22:29
Speaker 1: of gyms today, I'm still doing stuff in the fitnesses
22:32
Speaker 1: to blah blah blah blah blah. In all that time
22:36
Speaker 1: of working at the coal face of training people, writing programs,
22:39
Speaker 1: working with sporting clubs, working with Olympic athletes, you know,
22:43
Speaker 1: training a massive cross section of human beings, prescribing exercise,
22:46
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, in all of that time, I've been
22:49
Speaker 1: asked once what my qualification is by a client? Do
22:54
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like someone coming in off
22:55
Speaker 1: the street and that you go, Hi, this as harp,
22:58
Speaker 1: is this what we do? This? How we do it?
23:00
Speaker 1: I'm Craig bab Bah, Like one person in all the
23:04
Speaker 1: years said to me, what is your qualification?
23:07
Speaker 2: Yeah?
23:08
Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying it doesn't matter, but you know,
23:11
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Like, yes, we need to be qualified
23:15
Speaker 1: in short, registered, knowledgeable, all of that stuff. But at
23:18
Speaker 1: the end of the day, for a lot of people,
23:21
Speaker 1: what is at the very least pretty important is do
23:26
Speaker 1: I like you? Do? I trust you do? I think
23:30
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing? Do you care about me
23:33
Speaker 1: a bit? I know it's a transactional relationship, I get it,
23:37
Speaker 1: but even though I'm giving you money and you're giving
23:40
Speaker 1: me your skill and service, we can still like each other.
23:43
Speaker 1: And then the last question is do I want to
23:46
Speaker 1: come back to this place and this person? You know?
23:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, social beings at the core of it, which is
23:55
Speaker 3: one of the most effective ways changing habits as well.
24:01
Speaker 3: How do we nurture both of those things? Be nice,
24:04
Speaker 3: be great to be around, and have some thoughts to
24:09
Speaker 3: pop into play as well. I think that type of
24:11
Speaker 3: persons probably better as well at going I'm not quite
24:15
Speaker 3: sure about the answer of that I'm going to come
24:17
Speaker 3: back to you or someone else is better to answer
24:20
Speaker 3: that can compet to me?
24:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that people who are in positions of
24:28
Speaker 1: I guess leadership in that you know, when it's you
24:30
Speaker 1: and a patient or you and a client, you're the
24:32
Speaker 1: leader in that dynamic for that hour. Do you think
24:35
Speaker 1: that some people feel compelled to come up with an
24:38
Speaker 1: answer even if they really don't know.
24:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
24:40
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I remember that of myself as a young
24:45
Speaker 3: clinician and for the young clinicians that I mentor.
24:50
Speaker 2: It's one of the kind of hurdles that we try
24:52
Speaker 2: to jump really really early.
24:54
Speaker 3: Is this idea that almost to the counter of what
24:59
Speaker 3: we've been talking about, is that rapport is really hard
25:02
Speaker 3: to get and no, you can get rapport within minutes
25:06
Speaker 3: or seconds, and that you don't maintain rapport just by
25:12
Speaker 3: being the answer for everything. And there feels like there's
25:14
Speaker 3: a big pressure as a young clinician to have the
25:17
Speaker 3: answer for everything or for things to move at a
25:20
Speaker 3: particular pace. And I think that's what you gain as
25:24
Speaker 3: you get it you mature as a clinician. Is that's
25:29
Speaker 3: something that I now know even greater about the physiology
25:33
Speaker 3: is with my skill set and what you're presenting with.
25:36
Speaker 3: I don't think we can get to where you want
25:38
Speaker 3: to be without the inclusion of either this or this
25:42
Speaker 3: or starting somewhere else which doesn't fit into my skill set,
25:45
Speaker 3: and that being the trust piece for people as well,
25:49
Speaker 3: is that we're not, as you say here doing transaction
25:52
Speaker 3: that is just me trying to create a transaction.
25:56
Speaker 2: It's a trust kind.
25:57
Speaker 3: Of situation as well, and it's also a if it's
26:03
Speaker 3: done well, it's a partnership. So this is your responsibility
26:08
Speaker 3: for the next two weeks. This is what I'm going
26:10
Speaker 3: to do in the background for the next two weeks.
26:12
Speaker 3: When we get back here. If everything's gone well and
26:15
Speaker 3: I've done my job well with your behavior change stuff,
26:18
Speaker 3: and we've hit the mark, then in two weeks, this
26:21
Speaker 3: is what we expect to have happened. And you know
26:24
Speaker 3: who either come back and life's done something weird or
26:28
Speaker 3: it hasn't been quite the right recipe, but they've figured
26:30
Speaker 3: out something else that got in the way that they
26:32
Speaker 3: just had never a thought of.
26:34
Speaker 2: Okay, let's pull that apart. So it's yeah.
26:37
Speaker 3: I think it's this beautiful layering is as you get
26:40
Speaker 3: better at just being more human about the experience, you
26:44
Speaker 3: don't feel the need to be right about everything.
26:48
Speaker 1: How much When you are in a meeting with somebody
26:52
Speaker 1: for maybe the first time, obviously there's all the clinical
26:55
Speaker 1: stuff and the assessment stuff and the science stuff. There's that,
27:02
Speaker 1: and then there's the intuition. Then there's the instinct. Then
27:05
Speaker 1: there's that I just have a vibe. How much do
27:10
Speaker 1: you allow yourself to open the I have a vibe
27:13
Speaker 1: door and ask a question which may not even seem
27:20
Speaker 1: like some people would go, why the fuck? Did what? What?
27:24
Speaker 1: Why are you asking that? Because I feel like when
27:27
Speaker 1: you have enough runs on the board or enough miles
27:30
Speaker 1: on the metaphoric clock, there's shit that you know about people.
27:34
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't always get it right. I don't always
27:37
Speaker 1: get it right, but often intuitively or instinctively, before they've
27:42
Speaker 1: even presented with anything or said anything, you know that
27:46
Speaker 1: you you know like, how how wide do you open
27:50
Speaker 1: that door? If at all?
27:53
Speaker 2: Yeah?
27:53
Speaker 3: I do I open that door because I usually, particularly
27:59
Speaker 3: when I feel like it's going to be helpful for
28:01
Speaker 3: the person, whether it's me the one that's delivering the
28:05
Speaker 3: end outcome or otherwise, I'm always checking is this a
28:13
Speaker 3: question to bolster my ego? Or is this a question
28:17
Speaker 3: that's helpful for this person on their journey. So it's
28:20
Speaker 3: like just that little click of is this for me?
28:24
Speaker 3: Or is this question helpful for our experience together and
28:29
Speaker 3: where they say that they want to be, So it's
28:32
Speaker 3: always that little bit of a question happening in the background.
28:38
Speaker 3: I also think of it as like square wheels and
28:40
Speaker 3: round wheels, Like when you start and you're younger, you're
28:43
Speaker 3: on the square wheel and everything's a little bit clunky,
28:46
Speaker 3: and you haven't even figured out how to ask that
28:50
Speaker 3: type of question particularly well, So you're more nervous about
28:54
Speaker 3: how you're going to present to them, even if you
28:57
Speaker 3: had the thought, often because you're so preocer pied with
29:01
Speaker 3: you know, getting everything done in the right time and
29:03
Speaker 3: feeling like you've done a good job that and will
29:07
Speaker 3: they come back and all those kind of very I'm
29:10
Speaker 3: going to air quotes immature kind of it's not that
29:13
Speaker 3: they're immature, but these are. This is the experience of
29:16
Speaker 3: the clinician as they start then slowly to round out
29:19
Speaker 3: the wheels, to feel stronger in asking some of those
29:24
Speaker 3: intuitive questions, because you're ultimately dealing with a human, not
29:28
Speaker 3: a pathology, and you know, what's the sense of why
29:33
Speaker 3: these symptoms are persisting? And what's your sense asking even
29:37
Speaker 3: asking them, what's your sense of why this has become
29:39
Speaker 3: really difficult in the last six months that you know,
29:43
Speaker 3: being able to ask those really reflective questions more so.
29:50
Speaker 3: And I think at this point I'm just better at
29:54
Speaker 3: putting my values forward in a way that makes it
29:57
Speaker 3: feel like a safe question. The example that pops up
30:02
Speaker 3: for me was someone that was an ultra runner, and
30:06
Speaker 3: there's a reasonable amount of data in ultra runners that
30:11
Speaker 3: it's a choice of exercise that often gets chosen by
30:16
Speaker 3: people who have had trauma in their life.
30:19
Speaker 2: And there was no.
30:20
Speaker 3: Sort of particular reason in the kind of scope of
30:24
Speaker 3: the story and the way we were talking about it,
30:26
Speaker 3: and so it was something, Okay, I feel like this
30:30
Speaker 3: is a reasonable and helpful question for me to ask
30:34
Speaker 3: and lay it out in a way that feels respectful
30:37
Speaker 3: and a way that is demonstrating my values and what
30:41
Speaker 3: we're trying to achieve together and lay that question for
30:44
Speaker 3: to say, this is something, this is data that pops
30:49
Speaker 3: up and is that something that rings true to your story?
30:53
Speaker 3: Do you feel comfortable discussing that with me? And then
30:56
Speaker 3: that door either opens or it doesn't. And I think
31:00
Speaker 3: the coolest thing I've listened to lately was this the
31:04
Speaker 3: idea that.
31:07
Speaker 2: A coach that's able to ask a question that might.
31:12
Speaker 3: That might end up in someone being offended and not
31:18
Speaker 3: willing to stay and continue the conversation. Is often a
31:24
Speaker 3: coach that's willing to pursue your greatest potential.
31:28
Speaker 2: So I'm not as worried about if you're.
31:30
Speaker 3: Going to be offended more that I've done it in
31:34
Speaker 3: a respectful way because I'm willing to push you to
31:38
Speaker 3: a level that's a little bit closer to the potential
31:41
Speaker 3: that you're trying to achieve. I'm not going to sugarcoat
31:44
Speaker 3: it and just you know, blow smoke to make it
31:47
Speaker 3: feel like you're going in the right direction, when maybe
31:51
Speaker 3: a trickier question or challenging something is going to be
31:55
Speaker 3: a more effective way of slightly shifting the boat that
31:58
Speaker 3: one degree and getting you you want to be and
32:01
Speaker 3: risking that you might go, actually, no, I you know,
32:04
Speaker 3: I don't like that question at all, or I'm offended
32:07
Speaker 3: by that question, and you know that's the end of
32:10
Speaker 3: the relationship. But yeah, always having that concept in the
32:14
Speaker 3: back of the mind that am I doing this for
32:17
Speaker 3: their betterments or is this just an ego based question?
32:21
Speaker 1: I love it. That's so smart. I love that, And
32:24
Speaker 1: I think also in the same kind of vain I
32:30
Speaker 1: say to people, I'm not interested in making you feel
32:35
Speaker 1: good for the next three minutes. I'm interested in helping
32:38
Speaker 1: you over the next three decades, whether or not I'm
32:41
Speaker 1: involved for a week or a month or a year,
32:44
Speaker 1: Like you know whether or not your nose is in
32:47
Speaker 1: joint or out of joint for the next three minutes.
32:49
Speaker 1: In a loving, caring way, I give zero fus. Right,
32:52
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean I don't care about you. In fact,
32:56
Speaker 1: I really care about you. I care so much that
33:00
Speaker 1: I want to be the person that helps you coaches, supports,
33:04
Speaker 1: encourages you for as long as you want or don't want,
33:08
Speaker 1: but to become independently strong, resourceful, self sustaining so you
33:13
Speaker 1: don't need me, so you don't need an EP or
33:17
Speaker 1: an exercise scientist or a coach or you know, I
33:20
Speaker 1: think that, and I think, Look, obviously everybody doesn't resonate
33:24
Speaker 1: with me or you, right, and not everybody will resonate
33:27
Speaker 1: with this conversation. But you know, for me, it's that
33:31
Speaker 1: idea of an unreasonable friend, like someone will tell you
33:36
Speaker 1: what is what they believe, someone who actually genuinely cares
33:39
Speaker 1: about you. They want you to succeed it's not a
33:42
Speaker 1: strategic relationship. Yeah, maybe there's money changing hands, but they
33:47
Speaker 1: still actually want you to do well. I used to
33:50
Speaker 1: say to my clients, my goal is to get you
33:54
Speaker 1: as self sustaining and independent as quickly as possible, and
33:58
Speaker 1: then fuck you off, right, I don't want you. I
34:03
Speaker 1: want you not to need me. And if I want
34:06
Speaker 1: you to be dependent on me, I'm the worst coach
34:09
Speaker 1: in the world. But that's some people's model is to
34:14
Speaker 1: make people dependent on them. Well, that's just a dealer.
34:18
Speaker 1: That's just somebody creating a bunch of addicts. Like I
34:21
Speaker 1: want people to not need me. And if they chime
34:24
Speaker 1: in and listen to the show for a bit of
34:26
Speaker 1: an update or a bit of a kick in the ass,
34:28
Speaker 1: or you know, some amusement or entertainment because they're meeting
34:31
Speaker 1: you today or whatever, great, I mean, listen to all
34:33
Speaker 1: the shows. But I'm not saying you know as you
34:38
Speaker 1: say as well, you know I'm not the answer. I'm
34:40
Speaker 1: a tool. A tool. A lot of people say that, Yeah,
34:44
Speaker 1: that was a faux pat but truth. But I'm a resource.
34:48
Speaker 1: But that you know, like sometimes helping people or sometimes
34:53
Speaker 1: even being loving doesn't feel very loving in the moment.
34:57
Speaker 1: But I think if people genuinely understand firstly, if you
35:02
Speaker 1: are coming from a good place, let's just hope that's
35:05
Speaker 1: the case. But then they understand that, you know. And
35:11
Speaker 1: I've had people in my life. I had a guy
35:14
Speaker 1: in my early days and then I'll shut up. I
35:17
Speaker 1: had a guy called David Panther, who was one of
35:19
Speaker 1: my first clients. I don't even know if David Panther
35:22
Speaker 1: is still alive. I haven't seen him for thirty years, right,
35:25
Speaker 1: But anyway, he owned a bunch of like you know,
35:29
Speaker 1: the two dollar shops right yep or whatever they are,
35:34
Speaker 1: those like where you're going and you buy, Oh look,
35:36
Speaker 1: I just bought a fucking an astray that lights up
35:39
Speaker 1: for a three dollars fifty awesome? Who has astrays? Right?
35:42
Speaker 1: Or I just bought prescription and glasses for two dollars
35:46
Speaker 1: or not prescription, but you know, reading God, all that
35:49
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Anyway, I used to train him at
35:52
Speaker 1: stupid o'clock. I literally used to train him at four
35:54
Speaker 1: o'clock or four thirty three days a week. Anyway, that's
35:58
Speaker 1: another story. But I was always he was very you know,
36:02
Speaker 1: relative to me. He was the richest man in the world.
36:05
Speaker 1: I was just I was driving an Orange Cortina station wagon.
36:09
Speaker 1: I had four dollars in the bank. I was still
36:11
Speaker 1: working in pubs at night, you know, getting punched in
36:14
Speaker 1: the face for twelve dollars an hour and all that. Right,
36:16
Speaker 1: So I hadn't actually hit the big time, not that
36:19
Speaker 1: I ever had. But I used to look up to him,
36:21
Speaker 1: and I was somewhat because he was so confident, so successful,
36:26
Speaker 1: so wealthy. I'd almost second guess myself around him when
36:32
Speaker 1: I was training him. And one day he goes to me,
36:36
Speaker 1: he goes, listen to me. Because he was about forty
36:39
Speaker 1: and I was twenty two or something. He goes, in
36:41
Speaker 1: this environment, he goes, you're the expert. He goes, you're
36:46
Speaker 1: the boss. He goes, I know you're twenty two. Maybe
36:48
Speaker 1: I was twenty three, so maybe had five years of
36:51
Speaker 1: experience in a gym. Still knew fuck all right, But
36:53
Speaker 1: compared to him, I knew a lot. And he's like,
36:56
Speaker 1: stop second guessing yourself. Tell me what to do, don't
37:00
Speaker 1: ask me, just fucking tell me what to do. Be assertive,
37:05
Speaker 1: and I will do. He goes, but when you look
37:08
Speaker 1: like you're not sure or your second guessing or you're
37:12
Speaker 1: lacking confidence, it makes it worse for me. And it
37:15
Speaker 1: was like the best conversation anyone could have, and I
37:18
Speaker 1: went oh oh, and I went cool, and that kind
37:24
Speaker 1: of that was one of many moments on my journey
37:28
Speaker 1: where somebody gave me advice, perspective, insight that in that
37:34
Speaker 1: moment I really needed because I was just racked with
37:36
Speaker 1: self doubt and if I was around anyone that I
37:39
Speaker 1: thought was smarter than me, which was pretty much everyone,
37:43
Speaker 1: you know, I basically fucking self sabotaged. But those people
37:47
Speaker 1: are like angels along our journey.
37:49
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, clear, to be kind, I've got heaps
37:54
Speaker 3: of little nuggets like that. You've delivered two of mine
37:57
Speaker 3: in that way in my life. But it's like it's
38:02
Speaker 3: this slow kind of transaction from someone having needing this
38:07
Speaker 3: external locus of control feedback from outside versus internal locus
38:12
Speaker 3: of control. And like you said, there was a it
38:17
Speaker 3: feels it feels like a good example. The other day,
38:19
Speaker 3: one of my clients who will kind of pop in
38:21
Speaker 3: and out every now and then contacted me and said, oh,
38:24
Speaker 3: I need to book an appointment thinking about this, and
38:27
Speaker 3: da da da da da, and then they booked the appointment,
38:30
Speaker 3: and then like a day later they text and went, actually,
38:34
Speaker 3: I canceled it.
38:35
Speaker 2: I'm overthinking it. You've taught me all this stuff before.
38:38
Speaker 2: I don't need it.
38:39
Speaker 3: I'm just going to trust my decision. And that was
38:42
Speaker 3: like perfect, Yeah.
38:46
Speaker 1: Can you send me the cash anyway, this is an
38:52
Speaker 1: ongoing this is like a retainer situation.
38:55
Speaker 3: Now you still got my benefit from that, so pay up.
38:59
Speaker 1: But yeah, was what was a when did I give
39:02
Speaker 1: you some tough love?
39:04
Speaker 3: There's been too I can't remember the context of the
39:08
Speaker 3: first one, but I clearly remember the language.
39:11
Speaker 2: I can probably make up the context.
39:15
Speaker 3: The context would have been me in like when we're
39:19
Speaker 3: at UNI, I would say, probably to the end of it,
39:22
Speaker 3: and you had seen potential in me and great promise
39:26
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, and you throw me
39:28
Speaker 3: some bones. But in the background, I was a wildly
39:32
Speaker 3: insecure human, pretty unwell, mentally unwell, and you know, I
39:38
Speaker 3: was also just finding my social freedom as well, so
39:41
Speaker 3: I was pretty pierced. A lot of the time. I was,
39:44
Speaker 3: you know, out trying to gain confidence myself through socializing
39:49
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff.
39:51
Speaker 1: We just poured out to the audience that when So
39:54
Speaker 1: this was back when I did my first degree and
39:56
Speaker 1: before Anna did her master's, so this was undergraduate excise science.
40:00
Speaker 1: But I started my first year I was thirty six,
40:03
Speaker 1: and your first year you were eighteen or nineteen.
40:07
Speaker 3: I turned eighteen in the first year. I was young,
40:10
Speaker 3: and I'd done another I'd started another thing before, so
40:13
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I was eighteen in that first year.
40:16
Speaker 1: So I was literally I could have been your dad,
40:18
Speaker 1: but would have been touching. But I was like, thirty six,
40:22
Speaker 1: you were eighteen.
40:23
Speaker 2: So young, col dad.
40:25
Speaker 1: Wow, I was probably terrifying, was I.
40:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I was intimidated by you. I was intimidated
40:34
Speaker 3: by you for sure, absolutely. And you'd come in and
40:37
Speaker 3: you'd say stuff which made me feel really awkward because
40:40
Speaker 3: I was quite approved, Like you talk about going to
40:42
Speaker 3: the toilet and stuff, and I.
40:44
Speaker 1: Was like, we didn't. That doesn't seem like me.
40:49
Speaker 3: And this was to me talking about bodies in my
40:53
Speaker 3: home environment wasn't like that was like, you keep that
40:56
Speaker 3: very private. So it was all these exposures that you
40:59
Speaker 3: gave me that we're like whoa so an awkward laughter,
41:04
Speaker 3: and but that I.
41:06
Speaker 1: Would describe the ship that I just had having a coffee,
41:10
Speaker 1: Well we'd be at the.
41:11
Speaker 3: Start that I can clearly remember being in the kind
41:13
Speaker 3: of canteen area and it'd becoming close to needing to
41:17
Speaker 3: go off to a lecture or whatever, and you'd be like, oh,
41:20
Speaker 3: I just got to drop the kids off at the pool.
41:22
Speaker 2: And initially I didn't even know what that phrase meant.
41:25
Speaker 3: And then I slowly like, because I was very green,
41:29
Speaker 3: I was a very green human, and you'd clearly done
41:32
Speaker 3: the rounds on life and like you're welcoming talking about
41:37
Speaker 3: going to do a pooh was just like, oh my god,
41:39
Speaker 3: did he just say that?
41:40
Speaker 1: Like yeah, anyway, well, you probably hadn't started pooing at
41:43
Speaker 1: that stage, so it was probably a foreign concept because
41:46
Speaker 1: we know that women don't.
41:47
Speaker 3: Shit, No, we don't smell, we don't shit, and we
41:50
Speaker 3: definitely don't do it in public places.
41:53
Speaker 1: So I definitely talk about it.
41:55
Speaker 3: No, And it was a big awakening for me, which
41:57
Speaker 3: I'm so thankful for now. Like I'm still a bit
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Speaker 3: of a proved but I'm a lot like for the
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Speaker 3: services of helping people. I get over my prood to this.
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Speaker 3: But the first thing at that stage, you know, socializing,
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Speaker 3: you know, a bit too hungover and drunk most of
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Speaker 3: the time, and you must have given me an opportunity
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Speaker 3: or whatever happened, and your feedback to me was you're unreliable,
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Speaker 3: and that stopped me in my tracks because I was
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Speaker 3: not at all proud of that. But you didn't. But
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Speaker 3: the point being is you didn't give up on me.
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Speaker 3: You said, here, you need to know this. We are okay,
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Speaker 3: but this is going to make a difference. And I
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Speaker 3: just was like, oh shit, okay, I can't fuck up
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Speaker 3: like that again. That is not what I want from
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Speaker 3: this and I need to straighten up. And then I
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Speaker 3: also also suffer from something I think I'm getting better
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Speaker 3: I'm better from. Is I have what I call resting
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Speaker 3: think face.
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Speaker 1: So when I'm freed, resting think face.
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Speaker 3: Resting think face, I do you know what the rest
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Speaker 3: of the world calls it, right, I also have think
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Speaker 3: resting bitch face as well, but it's I'm coming to
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Speaker 3: terms with that as well. I'm not like if for
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Speaker 3: people that I'm interested in what my face does, I
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Speaker 3: do better otherwise I'm just cruising around. But resting think
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Speaker 3: face is that if you're saying something to me and
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Speaker 3: I'm wanting to process it, and there's other like other
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Speaker 3: bits of information coming in from the background and all
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Speaker 3: of it, like there's processes going on. My face does
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Speaker 3: a thing where I don't look inviting. I just kind
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Speaker 3: of go blank. I guess my face kind of goes blank. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: Zoom zoom platforms have helped because now I can see
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Speaker 3: myself and go, oh, my face is doing that thing
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Speaker 3: that makes other people feel uncomfortable where they think I'm
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Speaker 3: not in. Well, so now you know, the blessing of
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Speaker 3: zoom is I get to see my face and go, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking, but I've got a nuts face on it.
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Speaker 2: I'm inviting.
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Speaker 1: I get that too. I get I think I have
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Speaker 1: whatever the boy well, you know, resting bitch face. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's like where people think I'm mad or I'm mad
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Speaker 1: at them because I'm just I'm looking with this expressionless face,
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Speaker 1: but I'm intently listening. Yes, yes, Like what's in my
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Speaker 1: head is, oh wow, this is interesting. I'm engaged keep talking,
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Speaker 1: But what they're seeing is I fucking hate you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when are you going to stop talking?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's so funny that you don't. Yeah. That
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Speaker 1: actually is a really good point that zoom has somewhat
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Speaker 1: changed that, because I mean, I never did skype, and
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Speaker 1: so to be able to see albeit not that it's
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Speaker 1: my favorite thing to look at is my head, but
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Speaker 1: to be able to see my head kind of next
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Speaker 1: to your head if I look over there and realize it.
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Speaker 1: To have a I mean talk about you know, like
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Speaker 1: self awareness, social awareness, you know, metabception is to be
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Speaker 1: able to see yourself in real time talking that's actually
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Speaker 1: a social advantage.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and to be able to kind of utilize it.
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Speaker 3: And in the other way when your people appear disengaged, Okay,
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Speaker 3: what have I got to do to swing this back around?
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Speaker 3: And yeah, have that ability to go, oh, actually no,
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Speaker 3: your face is not stepping up like you said before,
45:38
Speaker 3: like I've got to because if my face is smiling,
45:42
Speaker 3: my voice is smiling as well, like you said before.
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Speaker 3: Where sometimes you've got to lift your own energy. And
45:48
Speaker 3: that's actually an advantage, an advantage, and the deeper that
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Speaker 3: we go into our thoughts are often our face does
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Speaker 3: that as well. It happens in clinic too. When people
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Speaker 3: are thinking about moving, their brain will be processing so
46:04
Speaker 3: often their neck and shoulders stop moving and it's like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: you're thinking about the movement too much.
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Speaker 2: Now, can you just let it.
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Speaker 3: Let it be because your head's meant to be doing
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Speaker 3: something as well now and you just we end up
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Speaker 3: freezing a little bit. So those were or two bits
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Speaker 3: of feedback.
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Speaker 1: I apologize for being terrifying, but I hope my I
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Speaker 1: hope the outcome was positive not negative.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think we can conclude that. We can
46:34
Speaker 3: conclude that.
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Speaker 1: Well, despite me, you're doing very well. How can people
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Speaker 1: connect with you? So you're available for one on one stuff,
46:45
Speaker 1: You're available for corporate work, for speaking, for clinical stuff.
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Speaker 1: Am I correct in everything I'm saying? How can people
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Speaker 1: connect with you? Find you, follow you.
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Speaker 2: Connect directly?
46:59
Speaker 3: Would be jump on my website and there's a there's
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Speaker 3: a little contact me page where you can send over
47:05
Speaker 3: your thoughts and ideas or things that you have a
47:08
Speaker 3: burning question about. So that's on a movement dot com.
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Speaker 3: And then there's social media where also you challenged me.
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Speaker 3: I don't I actually counted it. A little while back.
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Speaker 3: You challenged me to do one hundred two camera facing posts.
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Speaker 3: And I'll just let you know I've achieved that. I
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Speaker 3: don't know how long it took me, but done that.
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Speaker 3: So you can go and see my little two camera
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Speaker 3: Instagram thoughts and processes that have popped up at unadt
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Speaker 3: movement on Instagram, and they're similar on LinkedIn and those
47:40
Speaker 3: types of things as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah awesome. And if all of that you forget, just
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Speaker 1: send an email to me by my site and will
47:48
Speaker 1: hook you up. Thank you. You're quite good at that,
47:53
Speaker 1: quite good. You know, you're quite good value and you
47:57
Speaker 1: Nobody needs to know this, but we'll tell them. You
47:59
Speaker 1: stepped in it late. Now, somebody pulled a hamstring and
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Speaker 1: I rang you and I went fucking hell, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: have to put you in the game, and you went all.
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Speaker 2: So thanks all the opportunities. Yeah, no, thanks, appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Thanks lovely. We'll talk to you off here, but for
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Speaker 1: the moment, thanks for that.
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Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks everyone,