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The Late Debate | 15 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Light Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. I'm Danika DiGiorgio. Tonight, joined by
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  Speaker 2: broadcaster Lucy Zelich and Adoni Media's Lisa Goddard. Ladies' Night,
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  Speaker 2: round two. We're loving this. We're absolutely loving this.
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  Speaker 3: We are here for this.
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  Speaker 2: We are here for this. A round of common sense.
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  Speaker 3: Three women in the chair.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you. And you're back. It's lovely
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  Speaker 2: to see you back again.
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  Speaker 4: On the show.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. It's lovely to be here. It's great to
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  Speaker 2: see you back. Well, we've just been chatting all things
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  Speaker 2: nails and everything in the eye.
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  Speaker 3: Don't tell them that.
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  Speaker 2: Don't tell them that.
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  Speaker 5: We're really leaning into ladies' night by talking all things nails.
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  Speaker 2: We really are leaning into it. This is a big
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  Speaker 2: night for us three women, as you can probably tell.
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  Speaker 2: All right, coming up tonight, Pauline Hanson's day of apologies.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry for the Andrew Hastie furore. Sorry for the comments
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  Speaker 2: about the PM's mum. And sorry for the primitive remark.
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  Speaker 2: Was she right to do so? We'll get stuck into that.
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  Speaker 2: Uber wins a landmark legal case after one of its
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  Speaker 2: drivers demanded to see trip payouts and destinations before accepting
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  Speaker 2: a job. Is it a win or not for the consumer?
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  Speaker 2: And an alarming new dating trend. More and more young
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  Speaker 2: Aussies are ditching human partners for AI bots. What on
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  Speaker 2: earth is going on? But first tonight, the perks of
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  Speaker 2: the job. Transport Minister Catherine King has accepted a lifetime
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  Speaker 2: membership to Qantas' Platinum Frequent Flyer Rewards tier. Now, it
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  Speaker 2: offers free access to first and business class lounges across
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  Speaker 2: the globe, additional baggage allowance, priority check-in, boarding and baggage access,
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  Speaker 2: as well as priority upgrades and seat selection. Now, she
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  Speaker 2: got the perk because she flies a lot as part
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  Speaker 2: of her job rather than because she is the minister.
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  Speaker 2: But that is just the problem. because politicians are able
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  Speaker 2: to accrue status credits even when flying around for business. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Platinum Frequent Flyer membership is automatically awarded to customers who
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  Speaker 2: rack up to 75,000 status credits And the points can
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  Speaker 2: be earned through 375 return business class flights from Australia
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  Speaker 2: to London or get this, a total travel bill of
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  Speaker 2: $ 1 million. Can you believe it? A spokeswoman for the
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  Speaker 2: minister told the Australian Financial Review, which first reported the gift,
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  Speaker 2: that the minister received the status by virtue of the
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  Speaker 2: extent to which she has travelled with the airline. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Catherine King quietly updated her register of interest yesterday to
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  Speaker 2: reflect the gift that she received. Now, look, in my view,
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  Speaker 2: if this is indeed within the rules, then the rules stink. Firstly,
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  Speaker 2: she should have refused the gift. She used your taxpayer
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  Speaker 2: dollars to fly around the globe, fly around the country.
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  Speaker 2: And sure, yes, in her capacity as the minister, but
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  Speaker 2: took the perks that she got along the way. And secondly,
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  Speaker 2: she could have just taken membership of the Chairman's Lounge,
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  Speaker 2: which is offered to federal politicians. So the question, Lucy,
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  Speaker 2: is should politicians be disqualified from airline gifts, especially when
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  Speaker 2: they have been accrued on the public purse?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, is the answer to that. There's no ifs, ands
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  Speaker 3: or buts.
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  Speaker 5: I am so sick to death of this conversation, and
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  Speaker 5: particularly off the back of everything that we saw play
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  Speaker 5: out with Annika Wells and her $ 2, 000 dinners in Paris,
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  Speaker 5: drink spills on us, keeping com cars waiting for hours
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  Speaker 5: at sporting events. No-one disputes the fact that this woman
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  Speaker 5: has to go to sporting events, but I am disputing
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  Speaker 5: the issues surrounding it. When you've got over 3 million
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  Speaker 5: people across this country who are struggling to find food
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  Speaker 5: to put on their tables and are sending their kids
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  Speaker 5: to school hungry, what message is this sending to people?
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  Speaker 5: And this whole issue that now has been kind of spun,
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  Speaker 5: this narrative around, well, they fly a lot and we're
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  Speaker 5: away from our families a lot. I mean, the Housing Minister,
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  Speaker 5: Clare O'Neill, was asked about this today and she said,
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  Speaker 5: and I quote,' As federal politicians, we travel an unbelievable amount.'
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  Speaker 5: Catherine King has been a member of parliament now for
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  Speaker 5: 25 years. She's probably spent about a third of that
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  Speaker 5: time on the road somewhere. And then she went on
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  Speaker 5: to talk about the fact that she's obviously spent this
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  Speaker 5: time away from her family, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: Two things.
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  Speaker 5: No one is holding a gun to their head and
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  Speaker 5: saying to them that you need to be a politician
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  Speaker 5: and you need to spend this time away from your family.
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  Speaker 5: That is an actual choice that you make. There are
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  Speaker 5: so many people, including our servicemen and women, mining workers,
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  Speaker 5: shift workers, nurses, police officers. And I've had this debate
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  Speaker 5: with Stephen Conroy because I'm so sick of the fact
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  Speaker 5: that politicians across both sides of the aisle defend this rort,
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  Speaker 5: because that's what it feels like, guidelines or not, and said,
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  Speaker 5: what about these Australians who spend a lot of time
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  Speaker 5: away from their family? Why aren't we affording these to
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  Speaker 5: them when our servicemen and women go away for six
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  Speaker 5: months at a time?
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  Speaker 3: Does anyone give us stuff about them?
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  Speaker 5: No, all we care about is giving them a cap
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  Speaker 5: on their allied healthcare services.
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  Speaker 3: So this is disgraceful. It's disgusting. It doesn't pass the
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  Speaker 3: pub test.
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  Speaker 5: And like you said, fine that it's within the guidelines,
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  Speaker 5: but we need to do something about these guidelines because
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  Speaker 5: it's not good enough.
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  Speaker 4: Look, you're not going to like me for this, but
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  Speaker 4: I tend to disagree. No, I accept the point.
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  Speaker 3: Go for it.
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  Speaker 4: I accept the point that it should not be for
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  Speaker 4: a lifetime. I think that is completely and utterly wrong.
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  Speaker 4: But if you are a politician or CEO of a
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  Speaker 4: company or an executive who's always travelling around, you are
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  Speaker 4: going to accrue these status credits. They should have access
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  Speaker 4: to a lounge because we want our politicians to be
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  Speaker 4: able to make calls and continue to working when they're travelling.
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  Speaker 4: So I think it's a legitimate argument to say they
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  Speaker 4: should have access to the lounge. I do agree with
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  Speaker 4: you that it should not be ongoing once they leave
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  Speaker 4: public service. So I think that is the rort there.
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  Speaker 4: And of course, if you look at someone like, imagine
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  Speaker 4: Chris Bowen, imagine the status credits that man has under
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  Speaker 4: his belt with all the flying around that he does.
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  Speaker 4: So I think there's a legitimate argument for having them
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  Speaker 4: in the lounge. Like you say, they've all got access
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  Speaker 4: pretty much to the chairman's lounge. My question is, if
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  Speaker 4: you're talking about Qantas offering up this access to And
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  Speaker 4: if it sort of gives them an ally, if you like,
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  Speaker 4: within the government and the optics on this looks bad
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  Speaker 4: because she is transport, where's Virgin? Why aren't Virgin in
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  Speaker 4: on the rort? It's only a rort if you're not
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  Speaker 4: in on it. Where's Virgin in all of this?
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  Speaker 2: But what about, I mean, you mentioned, okay, the lounges.
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  Speaker 2: I can probably accept the lounge and I don't disagree
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  Speaker 2: that our politicians do need to do business calls and
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  Speaker 2: do their work inside a lounge. But then what's the
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  Speaker 2: justification for the rest of the perks that come with
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  Speaker 2: such a platinum membership? baggage allowances, upgraded seats, access to seats.
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  Speaker 2: Why does she need that?
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  Speaker 4: I would push back and say it's getting through security quickly,
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  Speaker 4: maybe not getting to the airport as fast as you should,
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  Speaker 4: being able to get that access, getting through as a platinum. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think that helps.
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  Speaker 3: OK, so then riddle me this.
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  Speaker 5: Why was it that Helen Haynes and Allegra Spender, if
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  Speaker 5: you remember back in 2024, handed back their memberships? Why
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  Speaker 5: was it fitting for them to acknowledge that optically this
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  Speaker 5: just doesn't look good?
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  Speaker 3: You nailed it. It's optics.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 3: That's all it is.
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  Speaker 4: They're happy to accept it and they're within the guidelines,
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  Speaker 4: so they will. All I'm saying is I think there's
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  Speaker 4: an advantage to having a platinum membership if you need
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  Speaker 4: to speed through airports, find somewhere quiet to have a meeting.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think once you leave public office, you should
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  Speaker 4: not have it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't object to the Chairman's Lounge issue, but I think,
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  Speaker 5: as you said, the whole point around it being a
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  Speaker 5: lifetime membership and points that you've accrued whilst you are
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  Speaker 5: in your official capacity as a minister, that isn't something
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  Speaker 5: that should be transferable. You're only racking up these status
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  Speaker 5: credits because of your job. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's the problem that most of us
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  Speaker 3: have with it.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. And this is why. It is clearly within
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  Speaker 2: the rules. Well, the rules stink.
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  Speaker 1: They do.
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  Speaker 2: The rules stink. The optics of it are so poor
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of a cost of living crisis. And
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  Speaker 2: let's not forget as well, in 2023, it was Catherine
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  Speaker 2: King who denied a Qatar Airways bid to double their
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  Speaker 2: flights into Australia. And at the time, there were accusations
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  Speaker 2: that Labor was trying to help Qantas in a way by...
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  Speaker 2: making sure that there wasn't a lot of competition on
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  Speaker 2: the market. And this is half the problem, that there
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  Speaker 2: isn't enough competition in the market. And that's why our flights,
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  Speaker 2: particularly internally, are so expensive because we just simply don't
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  Speaker 2: have enough airlines. So already there, in my view, is
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  Speaker 2: a bit of favouritism based on what happened in 2023
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  Speaker 2: with Qantas. And I just think it's just a shocking
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  Speaker 2: look when you've got a minister who has racked up
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  Speaker 2: a phenomenal amount. I mean, as I mentioned in that introduction,
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  Speaker 2: you have to have at least 75,000 status points. Unless
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  Speaker 2: it was gifted.
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  Speaker 4: Unless it was gifted. And that's the question that needs
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  Speaker 4: to be asked. Was it a legitimate 75,000 status points
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  Speaker 4: that's been earned, which I can tell you is a
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  Speaker 4: hell of a lot of points and a lot of flights.
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  Speaker 3: A million dollars worth of travel.
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  Speaker 2: A million dollars worth.
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  Speaker 4: Or has it been gifted? That's the question that needs
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  Speaker 4: to be answered.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: But it is very interesting now at this time in
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  Speaker 5: this digital era, nothing gets by anybody anymore, does it?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 3: Right? Everything that's being added to these gift registries.
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  Speaker 5: And that, therefore, before we move on as a final
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  Speaker 5: point for me, would be every reason now and should
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  Speaker 5: give these politicians even further reasons to consider.
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  Speaker 3: What this looks like optically.
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  Speaker 5: So the fact that it's just been slipped in there
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  Speaker 5: in the face of everything that the Labor Party have
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  Speaker 5: been going through, there is a semblance of arrogance to
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  Speaker 5: all of this, isn't there?
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  Speaker 2: And one more point as well. Catherine King only updated
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  Speaker 2: her register very quietly yesterday to reflect the gift that
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  Speaker 2: she had received. Done quietly, why? Because it was in
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  Speaker 2: the papers?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you're not going to announce it, are you? You're
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  Speaker 4: not going to go out there and put out a
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  Speaker 4: city release.
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  Speaker 2: No, but still.
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  Speaker 5: Again, that in and of itself is telling, right? You're
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  Speaker 5: not going to announce it. But we're so transparent, this government.
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  Speaker 5: Speaking of transparency, how about this? It wouldn't be another
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  Speaker 5: week if we weren't talking about another One Nation story.
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  Speaker 5: And Pauline Hanson, after all the furor that's erupted over
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  Speaker 5: the past week in particular, has made the decision to
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  Speaker 5: come out and say that she regrets these resurfaced comments
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  Speaker 5: in which she called First Australians the most primitive race
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  Speaker 5: on earth, saying she wishes the issue of race would
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  Speaker 5: just be buried.
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  Speaker 3: Before we unpack this any further, if you've missed.
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  Speaker 5: What's happened, well, not only have you been hiding under
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  Speaker 5: a rock, but let's give you a refresh.
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  Speaker 7: Supposedly 60,000 years.
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  Speaker 2: They'd never invented the wheel. There was nothing there.
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  Speaker 5: What are we actually holding up? Now, naturally, this generated
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  Speaker 5: quite the reaction and a public storm has ensued with
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  Speaker 5: not just punters online but many other politicians coming out.
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  Speaker 5: and decrying what she has had to say but she
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  Speaker 5: chose to catch up with Kieran Gilbert on News 24's
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  Speaker 5: program earlier today and also had this to say.
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  Speaker 7: I've always put my foot in my mouth and why
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  Speaker 7: I come out and say things. I'm not the most
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  Speaker 7: eloquent speaker in how I deliver something, what I say.
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  Speaker 4: That upsets a lot of Indigenous Australians.
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  Speaker 7: I don't, well then I regret saying that because I
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  Speaker 7: don't want to upset people.
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  Speaker 3: So there you have it.
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  Speaker 5: She puts her foot in her mouth and she doesn't
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  Speaker 5: want to upset people. Lisa, does that wash with you?
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  Speaker 4: It kind of does, because it's on brand for Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 4: She stands up and she says what she believes. And look,
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  Speaker 4: she's owned this. And just as we saw with Warren
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  Speaker 4: Pickering on Monday, he stood up and he owned his mistakes.
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  Speaker 4: And if you look at the polling in Victoria, One
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  Speaker 4: Nation has not moved a blip because of that. So
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  Speaker 4: I think the Australian public would actually say, good on you,
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  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson, for standing up and apologising. Because if you
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  Speaker 4: look at Albanese, he has to be kicked and dragged
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  Speaker 4: to any apology that he makes. And There's still one outstanding,
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  Speaker 4: I believe, in reference to the melons. So if you
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  Speaker 4: look at Pauline Hanson, boy, oh boy, has she had
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  Speaker 4: a week, though, of having to, you know, apologise. She
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  Speaker 4: had one issue after another, after another. I think we've
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  Speaker 4: got a compilation of those apologies right here.
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  Speaker 7: If I've offended people by using that, yes, I will
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  Speaker 7: apologise for that.
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  Speaker 2: Of course I do. Of course I do.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think he's a traitor and I've never called
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  Speaker 7: him a traitor. I was referring to House permission.
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  Speaker 3: At that time.
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  Speaker 7: So if he's taking offence to it, well, I'm sorry
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  Speaker 7: for that.
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  Speaker 4: Now, look, people will argue that it was a qualified
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  Speaker 4: apology in each of those instances. But like I said,
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  Speaker 4: credit to her. She stood up and she said that
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  Speaker 4: she wasn't running around saying, look, we've changed our position
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  Speaker 4: or that's been misinterpreted. So I think.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't fall off the stage.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. I was in the car. I've been in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see that. Yeah. No, look, I do take
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  Speaker 2: your point. It is very strange that we see Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hanson go on an apology tour of sorts because... She's
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  Speaker 2: not one to ever back down from an argument in
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  Speaker 2: her entire political career.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think's driving that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was having a think about it. Obviously, political
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  Speaker 2: parties are privy to polling, so perhaps they have done
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of groundwork and the response from electorates
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  Speaker 2: has been, this is not being received very well. I
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  Speaker 2: would suspect more the Andrew Hastie comments than anything else. Which,
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  Speaker 2: can we.
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  Speaker 5: And I know that it's been such a massive news story, right,
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  Speaker 5: particularly with respect to Hastie. Did you think that the
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  Speaker 5: way that it was being packaged by the Coalition at
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  Speaker 5: the time was an accurate reflection of the comments that
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  Speaker 5: were made in that One Nation cartoon?
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  Speaker 3: Did that warrant... an apology and was it an attack
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  Speaker 3: on veterans, Danika?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was an attack on veterans, no,
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  Speaker 2: because it was obviously in response to the whole Ben
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  Speaker 2: Robert Smith scenario. And what bothered me the most about
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  Speaker 2: this was that it was after the fact, because that
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  Speaker 2: cartoon came out in July and we only heard about
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  Speaker 2: this when Andrew Hastie started talking about it a week ago.
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  Speaker 2: And my initial thought was, OK, well, one nation, just
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  Speaker 2: one secret harbour in Western Australia, and that is clearly
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  Speaker 2: on the mind of Andrew Hastie because canning in WA
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  Speaker 2: is in play. So I do definitely think that there
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  Speaker 2: was an element of politics because why didn't we hear
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  Speaker 2: about it prior? If it was such a big deal,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't we hear about it prior?
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  Speaker 3: Well, do you know what his argument was?
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  Speaker 5: He had said that the reason he didn't come out
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  Speaker 5: at the time was because he had some legal proceedings.
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  Speaker 5: So his quote was that,' I couldn't talk about it
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  Speaker 5: at the time' because I didn't have the time.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're that offended, if you are that offended
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  Speaker 4: and you cannot not be aware that that has dropped,
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  Speaker 4: because everybody within Parliament House, I'm assuming, would go, OK,
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  Speaker 4: the next Please Explain is out. Am I starring in it?
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  Speaker 4: Do I get a cameo in it? It would be
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  Speaker 4: the chitter-chatter around the carpetwalkers in Parliament. So he would
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  Speaker 4: have known, and my argument is, if he was that offended,
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  Speaker 4: he should have spoken up then. It looks like it
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  Speaker 4: was for political mileage. Not saying that any veteran in
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  Speaker 4: this country should be called a traitor, but for him
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  Speaker 4: to speak out on it at So many weeks later,
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  Speaker 4: it looks like it was for political mileage.
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  Speaker 3: So completely disingenuous, right?
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  Speaker 5: It just feels like it was used as a political
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  Speaker 5: sword to try and wield it against his opponent now,
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  Speaker 5: which seems to be One Nation, because he feels that
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  Speaker 5: he's under threat. that the One Nation supporters have come
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  Speaker 5: after him. And to me, it's a lesson in Narcissism
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  Speaker 5: 101 that you can't recognise that you have had a
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  Speaker 5: hand in this, whether you like it or not.
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  Speaker 3: People think, Mr Hastie, that you're a traitor, right?
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  Speaker 5: Notwithstanding what happened with the Ben Robert Smith issue when
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  Speaker 5: he was so publicly arrested in April, but cast your
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  Speaker 5: minds back to January when he flip-flopped on the hate
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  Speaker 5: speech laws. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 5: So now it seems as though there's this very coordinated
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  Speaker 5: effort from both Labor and from the Coalition to go
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  Speaker 5: after One Nation.
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  Speaker 3: They're seeing their rise in the polls.
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  Speaker 5: They saw, as you rightly pointed out, Danika, what happened
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: in Secret Harbour, and it seems as though they've gotten together.
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: That's certainly what it looks like. I'm not alleging that
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: this has gone on behind the scenes directly, but now
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: you've got Labor.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: On the attack, you've got the Coalition on the attack.
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: It's apparently been.
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: Rubber-stamped by Angus Taylor, who supported Hastie coming out, and
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: declaring that, I think the bloke has blown up his
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: entire political career, quite frankly.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I don't disagree with you. And I also
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: think that in terms of One Nation, I don't believe
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: that the primitive comments that she made nor the stuff
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: about Albo is going to impact the standing. I think
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: that she's got a base. But I think it was
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: the hasty comments that maybe were the ones that people
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: have gone, ooh, that was a bit iffy.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: But interestingly, I'm getting calls from veterans and soldiers saying,
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: And the defence community is very divided on all of this.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: Not everybody is siding with Hastie. So if you look
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: at a post that went up, the RSL Australia thought
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: they were being too clever by half by putting up
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: a post in support of Hastie. And the comments on
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: there were just tearing them apart, saying, well, where were
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: you when Heston Russell was under attack? Where were you
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: when the ABC were doing what the ABC did? There
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: was no voice. It was complete silence. But now you've
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: come out on behalf of Andrew Hastie. Not every vet
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: in this country is supporting Hastie.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: That it was necessarily the hasty comments either because of
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: what Lisa's saying. And she said that there were so
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: many people that were divided. I've certainly spoken to a
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: lot of vets. I wonder if it was the primitive comments.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: I wonder if that was the sort of tip.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Of the iceberg.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: But why do you think that that would have an impact?
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know that it'll necessarily have an impact on
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: her voter base, right, at the private boots on the
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: ground level, but I think optically and the way that
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: it sounds... You know, that's a pretty harsh thing to say,
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: that they haven't contributed.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, that.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: They haven't invented the wheel or anything like that, that
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: they've contributed nothing. I think the contributed nothing line was
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: a pretty hard one, quite frankly.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: But think about this too.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: It's timing again, right? So you can't tell me... They
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: reference it as the uni party. You can't tell me
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: there aren't dirt squads inside the Liberal Party and the
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Labor Party who right now have an arsenal of, she
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: said this on this date and we've got this recording...
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: And they're just waiting. So the immigration policy comes out
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: perfectly timed. Let's just turn the conversation to here.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: A thousand percent because that podcast about the, you know,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: that she sat down.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: With, that was in September of last year.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing. They've just ripped it out of
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: the archives. They're looking for dirt.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: But that's what I mean. They would have a stockpile
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: of this material. So hold on to your hats because
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: as we head into Victoria, as we head into New
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: South Wales and then, you know, God forbid we head
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: into the federal election, wait to see what's pushed out then.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: If the polling keeps going... on the trajectory that it is,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: both the Liberal Party and the Labor Party will be
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: in the fight of their life and you will see
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: more of this type of material come out.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: But can I just say as an offset too to that,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: it's really been a week of gutter politics, hasn't it?
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's a shocker.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Right? It's a shocker.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: And I've watched very closely in question time what's going
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: on and I'm thinking to myself, I referenced the fact
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: you've got over 3 million Australians, food insecurity, cost of
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: living crisis. You look at the polls time and time again,
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: I recite this, issues for people, the cost of living,
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: immigration issues, And you're right to point that out. The
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: strategy has been a very deliberate one here. But all
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: we've been talking about is these politicians slinging mud at
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: each other all week.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: And it is foul, Danika.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's so many other bigger issues. And we're
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: going to get to it later on in the papers. Like,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: look what's happening in WA, for example, in Port Hedland
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: right now, in Aboriginal communities. This is where the focus
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: should be. And yet somehow the focus is on Pauline Hanson.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: And that in itself is very telling.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Well, there's a big focus, too, on social media. So
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: let's talk about that.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Right now, they want all Australians to actually have to
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: prove that you are over 18 if you want to
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: download any app that is for 18 plus. And there's
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: huge repercussions for this because not only do you have
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: to prove that you have the age limit there passed,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: but all the material you need to put online. So
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: you need to scan your passport, scan a licence into
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: the app to prove prove that you are 18 or above.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: And of course, it's under the guise of this is
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: all about protecting children. So, look, I'm torn on this
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: one because I think we have to do everything we
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: can to protect kids and protect them.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: From what is on the internet.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: But then you've also got the risk of all this
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: private information that you're putting into the system. How is
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: it being protected? How is it being kept safe?
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: You remember through COVID, there were all these conspiracy theories
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: flying around at the time, or they call them conspiracy theories,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: about people saying, you know, that a lot of it
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: was being geared towards ending up in a scenario like this, right,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: where we would soon end up in a situation where
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: you'd have to provide government-issued documents, things like your driver's licence,
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: your passport. In some of this, they're saying that you
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: could potentially use your credit card, right, but not a
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: debit card or a gift card to prove your age.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: And the conspiracy theorists at the time had said that,
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: you know, this was all designed to keep monitoring us,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: to kind of introduce this Orwellian style of monitoring people
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: and tracking them and their data and what they're spending
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: their money on and where they're going. This has that
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: element to it, doesn't it?
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: For all that.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Rubbishing of the conspiracy theories, I mean, some of them
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: are a bit nuts, you know, the 5G and all
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: the rest of it, but it just has that Trojan
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: horse vibe about it, right?
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: What's going to be next after this?
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Are there going to be requests for chips in our
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: arms or facial recognition?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're laughing. We might have, but we laughed during COVID,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: didn't we? And everything that happened back then has turned
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: out to be true.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: And that slippery slope, like the frog boiling in the water, Danika.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with you. Now, I... I have been
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: worried about this ever since the social media ban came
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: into force, that that was just the start of it.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: And we spoke about this actually on the show last night.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: You had Julie Inman Grant, the e-safety commissioner. First it
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: started with social media harms. Then it started with the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: social media ban. Then it was the porn ban. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: once you open that door, where does it end? I
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: look at what's happening over in the UK, for example,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: where every day ordinary Brits are being arrested for for
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: saying things online that the government does not agree with
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: or the government doesn't like.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Over 12,000 people have been arrested.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And there's even a dob in your neighbour hotline, basically,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: where you can dob in people, you know, dob in
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: people for saying things online. And when it first got announced,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: this was I think about 12, 18 months ago, there
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: were record numbers of people ringing in just dobbing every
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: man and their dog in. So I just worry that
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: as soon as we start putting our digital ID online for...
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: this for everything else. Well, what's going to be next?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: And we laugh about this microchipping, but seriously, who knows?
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: But having said that, Lucy, you're right. If you have
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: a credit card hooked up to your Apple store, then
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: they can already verify your age. So that information is
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: already out there. And I guess the counter argument to
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: all of this is if you're over 18 and you
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: go into a bottle shop, you're going to be asked
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: for ID, you know, If you're in your 20s and
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: you get asked for ID, then it's kind of a compliment.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: You're still getting asked, aren't you, Lisa?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: She is, I bet, I bet.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: So, you know, that's the counter-argument to this, that people
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: don't mind, that we know 18 is the legal age
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: for buying alcohol. If you're asked for ID, nobody is offended.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: So there will be parents out there who will say, well,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: this is a good thing.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: You know, it's really interesting because in moments like this,
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: I cast my mind back to when it was Paul
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Fletcher who was the communications minister at the time.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: This is roughly 2018. I was heavily pregnant.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: You know, I was having a lot of things slung
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: at me about, you know, you'd burn your witch and
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: your child too. I was feeling highly emotive. And I'd
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: sat down with him at the time because this was
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: right before they introduced the legislation around the eSafety Commissioner
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: and it was being heralded as something that was going
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: to be fantastic.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: And so I was fully in support of it, right?
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Not having enough foresight to see if put into the
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: wrong hands what something like this could do. But I
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: distinctly remember when I interviewed the minister then, He said
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: the way it was packaged and sold was that this
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: was to target the really sinister, insidious stuff, right? Child pornography,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: people who were making very serious and credible death threats
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: against people's lives. They really wanted to use it in
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: that particular vein. Now the way that it's moving, I mean,
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: we talk about what's occurring in Britain with random people
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: being arrested. Now this, you've got to provide government-issued documents.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: It is so far removed from what its intended purpose was.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: And the Trojan horse, as I said, those conspiracy theorists
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: may be not so crazy.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I know, and we were all called crazy at the time. But, gee,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: everything is certainly coming to fruition when it comes to
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the digital space. Now, look, let's move on because I
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: want to talk about Uber. It has won a landmark
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: legal case after one of its drivers demanded to see
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: trip payouts and destinations before accepting a job. So right now,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: when judging fares, Uber drivers can only see the pickup location,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: rider rating and the estimated time or distance to get
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: to the passenger. But the actual destination a passenger is
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: going to and the money that a driver can earn
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: is hidden and only, of course, revealed after a driver
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: swipes start trip. So as soon as a person enters
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the car, then they can see it. So Uber driver,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: his name is Mohammed Khalil. He took his employer to
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: the Fair Work Commission attempting to bust open this hidden
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: fees system and said that essential information should be made
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: available to the driver before they accept the job. But
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the Fair Work Commission has actually disagreed and has ruled
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: in favour of Uber. Now, Uber had argued that the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: hidden fare system was necessary and operated on a, quote,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: efficiently or operated efficiently rather and effectively for the benefit
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: of both riders and drivers. And Uber had also argued
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: that if fares and destinations were disclosed, then over time
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: drivers might become frustrated and passengers, well, the demand for
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: trips might decline because passengers would then feel quite frustrated
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: if an Uber driver was just continuously cancelling on them.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: based on the fact that they weren't going to get
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the fare that they had expected or weren't going to
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: go the distance that they had anticipated. Now, look, I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: think this is a good decision. I think this is
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: a win personally for the consumer. Look at taxis. They
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: already operate on, they don't have any of these, you know, guidelines.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: As soon as you enter a taxi cab, that's when
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: they find out where you're going and can estimate how
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: much they're probably going to get out of this trip.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: So I think this is a fair call. Two, it's
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: already so difficult to get an Uber as it is.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know about you two, but I'm forever waiting
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: for Ubers when I want to get one and they
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: already cancel on you anyway. You're following them on the
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: app and they're around the corner, but apparently they're not
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: even moving and then you have to cancel on them,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: which is what they want. They want you to cancel
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: on them because otherwise it affects them and their rating.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And I believe that had the Fair Work Commission ruled
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: in favour of Muhammad Khalil, it would have made things worse.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Lisa?
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I was standing on a street corner just the other
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: week waiting for this dot to move and I'd sat
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: there for a good 10 minutes and I could almost
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: walk to you in the distance that there is between us.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: And I rang him and he said, oh, well, I
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: was dropping off somebody else and I was just..... and
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: couldn't give me a straight answer. So it was lucky
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I was going to the airport, so it was a
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: decent run for him. But you're right, if they can
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: sit there and say, well, it's not really worth my
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: while to be doing a 10-minute run up the road,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I'll sit around and I'll wait for the next 30-minute trip, well, then...
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: It's already bad enough, as you say, Danika, waiting for
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: them as it is. What I think needs to happen,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: as an Uber user or a passenger, we can be penalised.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: There can be a fine for us for cancelling. So
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: where is the ban? Where is the fine for the
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Uber drivers if they are suddenly cancelling all the time?
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I know you say that it's on their rating, but
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: I think if they start to put a fine in
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: place to say, well, you can't just, you know, take
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: a booking, confirm it, and then suddenly five minutes later say, OK,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I'm going to cancel it and try for something bigger.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: So doesn't that kind of speak to whether or not
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: this is really a win? I mean, if they're already
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: doing it as it stands and we're experiencing that frustration
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: of them cancelling on us or sitting around.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Waiting to see.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: But it would be far worse if they can sit
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: there and say, OK, well, this is a run from...
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: you know, George Street to just around the corner.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: But the algorithm is already doing that for them as
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: it is. So they're already bleating and moaning overseas. Now,
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: there's this big European class action suit that's taking place.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: I think you've got countries from, like, the Netherlands and
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: the UK who are suing Uber because of an AI
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: algorithm it uses to set pay and to allocate jobs.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: So some of them are saying that it ends up
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: in a situation where, based on their types of trips,
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: the algorithm will then feed them similar trips if they're
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: taking shorter trips and it's leading to them, they're alleging
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: in this class action suit, losing up to 5,000 euro
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: a year. So they're already feeling like they're being squeezed
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: by Uber as it is, a company that's worth 150
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: billion dollars.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: And takes 27% I think of the fee.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: So we kind of sit there and we say, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: they're saying that it's a breach of their data and
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: their privacy, right? Because now that this algorithm is using
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: to see what type of trips that they're doing and,
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: you know, how much they're earning, et cetera, but they
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: don't get the option to see then what they.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Could earn on a particular trip.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: It feels like, I don't know, it's starting to sound
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: like a bit of a lefty, a unionist here, but
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: it feels like that these workers who work for a company,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: as I said, of $ 150 billion, they just don't have
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: any rights to decide how it is they operate.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but, I mean, there's so many Uber drivers. I'd
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: be curious to know the statistics, but there'd be so
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: many Uber drivers out there. Look, I applaud Muhammad Khalil.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Maybe not after the immigration policy changes.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe not. But, look, I applaud Muhammad Khalil for having
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: the guts to take on his employer, who is worth
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars, but I don't think you
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: have a leg to stand on, and I think this
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: was the right decision. Otherwise, it would actually put Uber
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: on an uneven footing when it does come to taxis
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: as well. In the end.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: If you were a driver and you go, you know what,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to accept that fare, I think that
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that's worse and I would be so bothered as a
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: consumer to be cancelled on even more than what I
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: already am based on the fact that the Uber driver
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to take me to a short 10-minute location.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Get a horse and carriage. Let's just go back and
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: hang out with the Amish, right? Live in a village,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: grow our own veggies. No Uber drivers.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: That's the way. That's right. That's it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: They're trying to tell girls at schools in Northern Ireland
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: that they have to be given the choice to be
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: able to wear trousers.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: And it's all coming from the government, if you can
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: believe it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: From next year, schools would no longer be able to
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: prohibit female pupils from wearing trousers.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: And Paul Given, the country's education minister.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Said on Friday.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: And I quote, today I'm taking that decision that will
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: be formally communicated. Schools will be hearing from me, he
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: told the BBC.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: End quote.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: The cost of uniforms and gave girls the legal.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Right to challenge schools that banned them from wearing trousers
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: and the Democratic Unionist Party member of the Northern Ireland
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Assembly said I have listened carefully to Over recent months,
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: to young people, and the message is clear, girls want
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: the choice to wear trousers as part of their school uniform.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: And Nick Matheson, the Northern Ireland Legislative Assembly member, also said,
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: I'm glad that it appears the Minister has seen fit
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: to U-turn on his decision not to ensure that all
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: girls have the right to wear trousers as part of
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: their school uniform.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Lisa, would you have loved the.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Option to be able to wear trousers as part of
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: your school uniform?
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Lucy, I think, as a parent, I can tell you
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: that when you choose to send your children to a
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: certain school, I think you accept what the uniform is.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: And I don't think it is a government's or a
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: bureaucrat's job to tell a school what the uniform should be. Now,
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: I back that up with, when my daughter was in
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: high school, it was a private school, and the edict
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: was put out that trousers will now be added to
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: what was a 150-year-old tradition. They had the skirt, they
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: had the beautiful uniform, the trousers were added in. And
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: I did some research. Northern Ireland is not setting a
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: new standard here. In Australia, it's about a decade that
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: we've had advice and guidance being given to schools in
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: almost every state in this country where they have to
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: allow shorts and trousers as an option for students. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: commonly it's, oh, it's because students have asked for it,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: parents have asked for it. but here is the real clanger,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: and this won't surprise either of you, it's because it's
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: to meet contemporary values. Gender clothing, they shouldn't be required
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: to wear gender clothing, right? Which means we don't want
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: girls in skirts, we want girls being able to have
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: the choice to wear trousers. I just think no.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Danika? No, I think in the end, if a uniform
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: is set by the school, then you respect that uniform
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and you wear it. Now, if you're a parent and
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you have an issue with the uniform guidelines that have
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: been set out by the school, then move school. Move school.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: It should not be up to some bureaucrat in some
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: government department to decide what the uniform should be. Now,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I personally think that on a young girl, a nice
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: skirt looks lovely with a blazer or a tie. I mean,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: we had the whole shebang when I was in school
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: with the tie and the jumper, the blazer, the skirt,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the stockings. But it was smart and that's how your
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: school looks presentable, even when the pupil is outside, if
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: they're at a shopping centre. In the end, we've got
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: a government, governments around the world that don't even know
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: what a woman is. So we're talking here about it's
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: all because of gender and inclusion. Give me a break.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: No one even knows what a woman is these days.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: No one can even define a woman or define a woman.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: But no, we've got to give we've got to give
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: different uniform standards. No, I think that if the school
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: says pants, so be it. If the school says skirt,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: go for it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Well, so interesting about the legislation and the introduction of it, right.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: So in 2024, there was a case that came before QCAT,
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: which is the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal, and it
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: was by a female student who was underage, couldn't be
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: named at the time, who said that she felt discriminated against, right,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: because she wasn't allowed to actually wear trousers and shorts, etc.,
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: And QCAT ruled against her and said there wasn't enough
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: evidence to conclude that she.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Had been discriminated against. But have a listen to what
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: she actually said. She alleged that she was.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Suffering a greater financial burden than a male student by
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: having to buy multiple sets of uniforms, needing to take
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: greater care to maintain modesty when sitting, being colder. than
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: male students during formal events in the winter and being
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: less able to take part in physical activity on school
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: outings compared to male students.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: What a load of rubbish.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Isn't it just?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: What a load. She's colder. Come on.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: But, you know, you mentioned your... And it's Queensland. Hello?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: It's Queensland.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: But, like, you mentioned yours.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: We had this.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Crazy uniform as well, you know, the jacket, the blazer,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. It was a skirt that looked like
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: a tablecloth.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, we actually didn't like it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: At some points, you know, especially the winter uniform, as
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: girls we were rolling them up, we were being a
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: bit cheeky.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: But we never thought to complain.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: No.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: We never thought to be like, oh, my gosh, I'm
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: going to take this to QCAT now. I'm going to
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: start to raise alarm bells and feel like I'm being
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: discriminated against as a female.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: No.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: We had the shorts and pants in PE, but this,
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is just nonsense.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Very quickly.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: Parents, tell your kids to shut up once in a
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: while maybe.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: That's right. Good point. And wear the uniform. Wear the uniform.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Designated uniform.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Before we go to break, I want to run this
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: one particularly for you, Danika. I want your thoughts on this.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: So a new survey has come out and it's found
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: that Aussies, particularly between 14 and 29 years of age,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: are ditching real humans as partners and they're turning to
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: AI chatbots, for goodness sake. So you've got findings from
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Body and Soul's Sex Census 2026. Now, I think this
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: is either a genius marketing ploy to get publicity or
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: it's a terrifying insight into what our youth are actually
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: thinking and doing. But they're ditching real people and they're
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: going for an AI chatbot to have a relationship. If
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: you're in a dating scene, I'm married, I'm out, but Lucy,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: we're fine. But, oh, my gosh, Danika.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: This is not good, is it? This is not good
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: for someone in search of a husband. No, this is terrible.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I think people are lonely. I think that, unfortunately, AI
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: has made people more reliant on talking to bots because
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: when you program AI, it talks to you like it's
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: your best friend. And I think that some people find
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: GPT as some sort of a companion almost, which is
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: absolutely terrifying, which is absolutely terrifying. But what does it
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: say about human interaction, that we've lost human interaction? I
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: don't know whether COVID has had an impact on this
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: or we've just lost the art. I think social media
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: has played a role in this. But the fact that
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: people are swapping images Human intimacy for software is a
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: blight on society.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Don't you ever trade yours in, Denise.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Georgia, we're going to find you that husband-girlfriend.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: You're better than a chatbot.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Look, guys, if I come married to my chat GPT
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: next week, then we know something critically wrong has happened
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: in my life. Or my dead body. Maybe this is
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: where we're heading to. All right, we're going to take
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: a quick break. Coming up, home sales have crashed almost 20%
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: in three months. Once again... Thanks to Jim and his taxes.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Good one, Jimbo. That's next. Welcome back to the show.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at tomorrow's front pages. Lucy, you
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: have the Daily Telegraph.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Holy cannoli. How about this for a front cover? Can
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I say holy cannoli? I love that one.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard that one in a while. I've been
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: hanging out with my.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Kids for too long, trying to curb the swearing. This
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: is extraordinary, really.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: And can I just say, I gave Rhys Muldoon a
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: really big whack earlier tonight on Credlin, but he deserves
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: it again here on The Late Debate. You're a disgusting pig. Really,
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: it has to be said. These comments are disgraceful.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: And the fact now.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: That you, as they say, that old proverb, you are
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: the company that you keep, and that this man was
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: invited to Anthony Albanese's wedding, right, where only 80 people,
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: so that's a small invitation list, and that he's been
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: photographed being kissed by him, is a close friend of.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: His, was a child educator.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: And was also on one of the most beloved programs
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: in the form of Play School and also co-authored a
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: children's book, and that he is taking to and has
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: taken to social media and said things like this about a.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Woman, shame on you. But saying it about anybody, right,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Jacinta Nampajimpa Price, even if they're a political rival.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Wake up to yourselves. We're allowed to disagree with people
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: in this country. You're allowed to have different.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Political views to us, but that you would now be propelled...
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: to say things like this and to speak about women
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: in this way. And all Albert.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: Could muster today on the floor of parliament during question
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: time was, oh, that's unacceptable. But then Jacinta Allen had
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Ditch the Witch campaigns rolled out and he engaged in
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: this fear-mongering where he said, the last thing I want
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: to be doing is standing in this courtyard when there's
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: been a tragedy. Well, we need to take the temperature down.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: We need to this, we need to that. Okay, fair
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: play to Mr Dowling down in Tasmania who let this
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: man go, right, because he was employed in July as
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: a staffer in his office, in the senator's office.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: But This is remarkable. Really, really is.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I think when you've got photos like this, as we said,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: photos like this on the front page and Anthony Albanese
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: has just gone, oh. yeah, you know what, look, it's
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: just unacceptable. No, no, no. This guy here is one
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: sick puppy. He's one sick puppy. And what he has
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: said is disgusting and it is despicable. And there he
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: is all buddy-buddy with Anthony Albanese and Albo's like, oh, look,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I don't really want to address this.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: You need to address this. You need to come out
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: and fully condemn it. Otherwise you look just as bad
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: as this bloke.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: But the Labor Party don't have a problem with women.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, well, that's right. No, no, they weaponised that against
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: the Coalition.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Of course. Well said, Lisa, because they.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: Have spun it as though they're the ones, that the
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Coalition are the ones with the woman problem. No, no,
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: the party that can't define one, that continue to effectively
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: shy away from condemning criticism when it happens to be
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: women on the left or on the right side of
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: politics or conservative women, that's a problem with women. There
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: was another story also on the front page of the
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Daily Telegraph, very interesting one. The new home stats crash.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Australia's housing crisis is set to get even worse. with
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: new home sales crashing almost 20% in three months as
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Labor's tax changes, higher interest rates and planning failures strangle
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: desperately needed supply.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: But, Lisa, I'll tell you what, Chalmers, he's acting like...
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: it's all hunky-dory.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you listen to the government, everyone's happily tucked
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: into their beds at night in the home that they
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: own and everything is all good. And if you don't,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: you're out there organising a loan or building a new
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: property and no-one's worried at all about tax reform and
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: tax changes. So, yeah, it's not having an impact at all.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Just ask any auctioneer. You were talking about the attack,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: particularly on Peter Credlin. So I saw you tonight on
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Peter Credlin. You came out very hard, as you just
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: did then, and rightly so. What this man said is repugnant.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: And you've got somebody who is a conservative woman like
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: Peter Credlin now saying, look, I have thick skin. You know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I have to just now face this and it will
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: make me continue to fight on and battle on. She
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: should not be put, nor should any woman, into that
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: position at all. And on the front page of the
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Herald Sun, that's front and centre again tomorrow morning. So
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: that story will continue on. And let's see if Albanese
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: does actually stand up and say something, like he should.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: The other one that's on the front page tomorrow is Potshot,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: an exclusive. Victorians' fears for safety over potholes. Here we
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: are again. Searches the Premier blasted for I don't hold
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: a hose, mate moment, which is The Premier saying, well, hey,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: I wasn't the roads minister. Nothing to see here. Forget
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: about integrity. It's got nothing to do with me. The
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: number of Victorians who say potholes are the greatest fear
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: on the road has surged, according to a damning new report,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: and Premier Ben Carroll is under fire. The comments, just
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: like I said, I don't hold the hose, mate, pretty much.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: For a Premier who claimed that he was all about
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: transparency once Jacinta Allen was rolled, he's doing everything and
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: anything to avoid that level of transparency. And secondly, he
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: was part of the government. He was still part of
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: this entire government that has completely mishandled road safety, and
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: now he's going, oh... Not my problem. What is it
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: between Albo? It's not my problem. Ben Carroll, it's not
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: my problem. Are we noticing a theme here when it
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: comes to Labor politicians? It's never them. It's somebody else.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: It's always somebody else.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Always somebody else. Always. Yeah, just absolutely extraordinary. Now, look,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: let's take a look at the Australian newspaper tomorrow. Now,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: we spoke about this earlier in the show, but the
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: headline is Clean Up or Cover Up Exclusive. Exasperated police
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: were called more than 50 times to a trashed house
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: where abandoned Indigenous children were fending for themselves and alerted
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: government authorities dozens of times without action being taken, laying
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: bare the scandalous failure of WA's child protection system. Despite
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: devastating accounts of sexual abuse, neglect and squalor, it took
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: until Tuesday for officials to undertake an urgent clean-up of
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the house in Frisbee Court, South Edland, finally prompted by
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: reporting in The Australian. This is a national disgrace. It
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: is a national shame. And how is it that it
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: has taken reporting in The Australian newspaper to uncover this? Now,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: politicians like Jacinta Nampajimpa Price have been talking about the
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: conditions for years. She has demanded inquiries into where the
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: money's going because millions of dollars has been allocated in
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: multiple budgets. Well, where is that money? Going nowhere. Every
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: time she wants an inquiry, she has been shut down
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: on every single occasion. And this is what is going
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: on right now in Australia. It is literally the third
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: world and this is happening in the country that we
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: live in. We're meant to be the most prosperous country
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: on earth. Lucy, and we've got politicians, as you rightly
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: pointed out earlier, talking gutter politics. Have a look what's
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: going on in the real world.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: And this is what actually should be dominating our attention, right?
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: It's not podcasts from September last year. It's not things
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: that happened in July or, you know, it's things that
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: have been going on for years that many of these
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: elders have said that we've been raising the alarm bells about.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: And that in many instances it's led to nothing and
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: in fact death.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: We also saw that story about that meth addicted unhinged
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: mother whose three children were left in her care and
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: she went on to strangle them to death. Right. So
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: where are the human rights advocates on this the child
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: advocates the DCP right the Department of Child Protective Services
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: who elders are saying we feel like this is a
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: human rights issue because we have been abandoned effectively.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: It is a national disgrace.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: But you also had the minister stand up, I think
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: it was on Sunday, and she was so busy just
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: poking Pauline Hanson over her comments in that podcast and
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: making no reference to what happened in WA or had
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: she called the department.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Is this Maladiri McCarthy?
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Had she called the department, what action had
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: she taken? And she said, well, you know, I'm getting
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: to that.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's terrible.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Rather than trying to score political mileage at a press
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: conference called to take down or try and take down
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson over comments that she made flippantly, she wasn't
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: focused on what was happening in WA. And it's only
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: when it's on the front page of the Australian or
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: the media make a stand on this, that it's back
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: in the headlines and anywhere forced back onto the political agenda.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just, I'm so dismayed by it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: And you think about the real issues that are going
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: on for these Indigenous communities. It's not welcomes to country.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: It's not all of these other problems. It's this that
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: needs addressing.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Just quickly before we go to the break, the advertiser
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: on the front page. How about this? Bottom of the barrel.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: South Australia creates history by letting serial killer walk free.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Convicted Snowtown. Bodies in the barrel.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: Barrel's murderer, James Spiridon Vlasakis, is eligible for release from prison,
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: potentially making South Australia the only place in the world
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: to parole a serial killer. The state's parole watchdog on
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Tuesday signed off on releasing Vlasakis, who pleaded guilty to
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: four of the infamous murders commited in the 1990s.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, huge news, massive news.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Terrible, and it was a massive news story at the time.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's clearly still going. All right, coming up
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: after the break, the most popular judge on TV, Judge Judy,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: is putting down the gavel after decades on the telly.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back. Well, a 12-year-old schoolboy has turned
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: a 500km walk to Canberra into a $ 2 million investment
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: that will help young country folk who need desperate help
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: through Little Wings. This is young Dusty who, of course,
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  Speaker 2: arrived in the nation's capital on Monday after walking from
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  Speaker 2: his hometown of Warren with a goal to raise $ 500, 000
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  Speaker 2: for charity Little Wings. He managed to convince the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister to match it. So the government gave $ 500, 000 and
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Albo then gave an additional $ 1 million, which is a
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  Speaker 2: phenomenal effort, $ 2 million to do that big trek. And
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: here was Dusty and his mother.
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  Speaker 1: So Albo said he will match my amount that I raised.
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  Speaker 1: And he continued the partnership with Little Wings for two years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really exciting.
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  Speaker 8: You know, we're so happy now that, you know, Darcy's money,
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: he's hit a million dollars. So, you know, his million
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: dollar goal, he's made it. And I never doubted from
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: January in the dam, I never doubted that he wouldn't
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  Speaker 8: hit a million dollars and here we are today.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, we needed a feel good story, didn't we? Seriously.
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  Speaker 4: How good is that? It took him 16 days and
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: four pairs of shoes. to make it down there. And
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: he and his little brother had both used this service before,
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  Speaker 4: so that's why he did it. But it's incredibly inspirational.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: What just a nice story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. We needed it. We needed it
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: after everything.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Well, here's another story. How many, either of you, when
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: you were at home sick from school, Judge Judy, did
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  Speaker 4: you watch it?
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  Speaker 2: Always. Always. Channel 10. It was on Channel 10 at
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: 1 o'clock or 2pm in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: Now, we've gone through it this afternoon and had a
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: look at a few of the clanger lines that she's
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: renowned for. One of them, you're not as smart as
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: you think you are. We've heard that a few times.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: But she's put up the gavel. She's passed it on
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: now to her son. And we have this little clip,
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: which she'll be famous for.
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: But he added you to his car insurance in April. Now,
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: this suggests that you both were living together in April
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: because it says Calvin Phillips IV and Dominique Sumline at
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: 20 West whatever Road. That's April 15th. So somebody is
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: So, Your Honor.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I love her, love her.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: She also says, beauty fades, dumb is forever.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I made her a mozza.
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  Speaker 4: She's worth about $ 540 million.
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  Speaker 2: That's remarkable.
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  Speaker 5: If you can bank that amount for yelling at people
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: in court, I'll take that away.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Maybe our judges can take a leaf out of her book,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I would say. Especially Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: The people are real. The cases are real. Judge Judy. Oh,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: good times, good times.
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  Speaker 3: And what about Bert too? Remember Bert?
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Bert!
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  Speaker 3: Loved Bert. All right, very quickly, how about this?
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  Speaker 5: We spoke about Victoria just then very briefly, but up
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: in the Gold Coast, Mayor Tom Tate. He's earned a
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: bit of a headline for himself too because he's sworn
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: at a journalist and stormed out of a press conference
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: amid questions about a US visit earlier this year.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 7: Why are you so aggressive?
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Are you from the ABC?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, whoa. Well, that escalated.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: That escalated very quickly, very quickly.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: But can I be a wet blanket? Is that appropriate behaviour?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Look, I don't think it is appropriate. As much as
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I don't like the ABC, I don't think you should
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: be swearing like that at a press conference.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: I did like the ABC said he stormed out. From
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: what I saw in those pictures, he walked out pretty calmly.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he seemed pretty calm. I mean, let's be honest,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: we don't really particularly like the ABC.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: I've always said they're good for one thing, bluey.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Bluey, of course, especially for the kids. I could absolutely. Lucy, Lisa,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: what a pleasure it has been on Ladies' Night. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: to both of you. Thank you at home. Stay with us.
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  Speaker 2: The Rita Panahy Show is next. Good night.