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Pack Dynamics 4x01 — “The Dark Moon” · Fandom on the Rocks

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Emily: You're listening to Pack Dynamics, a fandom on the
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rocks podcast. Everyday life is the wrong tab.
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Hello. Welcome back to Pack, Dynamics, a Teen Wolf
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podcast I am m. Emily.
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Alison: And I'm Alison.
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Emily: And I'm so proud I remembered which one we were
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recording today.
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Alison: Yes, good, because this is the season premiere of
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season four, guys. We made it Season four, baby.
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What?
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Emily: Yes.
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Alison: Which honestly, feels like a cop out, because
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seasons one and two were just as big as 3A and 3B.
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We are on season four, but this is season five,
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for us, so.
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Emily: Yes, that is true, because season three is like a
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double season, so. Yeah, but still, still, still,
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it was good. How many episodes are in season four?
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I didn't bother to look.
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Alison: I think it's still 12.
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Emily: It's only 12.
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Alison: Yeah.
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Emily: That's nice.
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Alison: So, yeah, ah, it's a short season. Well, it's a
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regular Teen Wolf. Season three was just stupid.
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Big double, long. And then season five does that
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thing that I hate. So season three, three A and
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three B, now that we've gone through them, you
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can't get three B without three A. Like, you can't
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get the nogitsune possessing Stiles unless you get
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Jennifer cracking open the nemetol.
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Emily: Yeah, they.
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Alison: 3B comes from 3A.
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Emily: They're friends. They're buddies.
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Alison: They're buddies. They're, they're, they're,
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they're, they're, they're good time pals. But
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season five just really feels. They took one story
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and dragged it over two seasons.
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Alison: Gross.
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Emily: We don't like that.
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Alison: I hate. I feel there's minor bad guy changes
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between 5a and 5b, but from what I remember, it's
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just a. It's just a fucking 2224 episode long
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story. And it just. It drags.
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Emily: I just checked. It's 20 episodes.
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Alison: It drags somehow.
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Emily: Season six is also 20 episodes.
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Alison: Yes, but. Okay, season six. I am not. I'm gonna
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get mad at it. We'll get there when we get there.
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But it does split apart 3A and 3B.
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Emily: Okay.
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Alison: They're not as connected, I don't think.
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Emily: Yeah, there's a six month gap between 6:10 and
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6:11.
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Alison: Yeah, but they, The stories don't really link, so
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they conclude at the end of one, and you start a
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new story at the end of the other. At the start of
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the other. So I'm not quite as mad about it.
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Emily: Okay, well, we'll get there.
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Alison: We'll get there when we get there.
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Emily: So this is season four, episode one, the Dark
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Moon.
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Alison: Ooh, spooky.
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Emily: I don't know if this is purposeful, but the finale
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of season three was the divine move. And both of
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those begin and end with D and M. That's true. And
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I don't know if they did that on purpose, but I
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was interesting. Probably not on purpose.
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Alison: Probably not.
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Emily: No, for being perfectly sincere.
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Alison: No, it was. The Teen Wolf writers room just kind
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of gives up after 3B.
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Emily: Do they?
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Alison: Oh, I'm sorry. Did you not watch this episode?
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Emily: I did. I did watch it, actually. I mean, I watched
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it as much as I could keep interest in it.
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Alison: Correct. It is a choice. They decide.
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Emily: Wait, let me give you the rundown before we talk
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about it. So this is Scott and his pack journey
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into Mexico to rescue a missing friend. Even the
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rundowns of the episodes are like, that's an
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episode.
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Alison: It's fine.
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Emily: This aired June 23, 2014, which is beginning to
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feel more real. Years. Yeah, but it's 11 years
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ago.
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Alison: That's too many years.
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Emily: It's far too many. So my very first note of this
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episode was, hey, it's sepia.
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Alison: Yeah, it's Teen Wolf is sepia colored now with
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twangy guitar music. We must be capital S south of
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the border.
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Emily: Yeah, Well, I guess that's how we know we're in
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Mexico.
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Alison: We know we're in Mexico. Come on, guy.
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Emily: I was. It's sepia, it's guitars, and there are
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brown people. We're in Mexico. Could have tried a
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little harder.
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Alison: Literally. Literally.
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Emily: but Lydia's hair is doing that cute thing that I
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wish people would do to my hair.
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Alison: Oh, my God.
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Emily: The little. The curly or the. The loopy braid?
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Alison: Her little loopy braid. And her little wispy bangs
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everywhere.
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Emily: Oh, my God.
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Alison: And honestly, this is when I really start tapping
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into Stiles and Lydia.
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Emily: Okay.
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Alison: we all know that Stiles and Derek got too close in
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three because they slammed a big wall down on them
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in 3B. I know. and then Derek dreamed about Stiles
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in a moment of crisis. And then, you know, they.
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Goodbye.
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Emily: something that the network was. Get those queers
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apart.
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Alison: Get those queers apart. And so then they've, you
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know, smashed Stiles together with Malia. And now
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that there isn't this desperate kind of. I love
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her. I've got the 10 year plan between Stiles and
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Lydia. They're actually building a relationship.
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And then, of course, we're all, oh, you're
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building a relationship, people. And then we're
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all getting into it. So I think they are so funny
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together and they're just leveling up their
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shenanigans. And I love this for them.
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Emily: I think the actors probably were building better
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chemistry, too.
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Alison: Probably. Yeah.
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Emily: having. Now they're spending. I mean, they were
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always spending a ton of time together, but I
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think on sets, right. People naturally gravitate
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towards certain people, depending on how much time
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you're spending together. So it's. I think you can
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always. I don't wanna say. You can always tell.
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You can just kind of. You get vibes, Right. When
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actors really kind of each other.
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Alison: Yeah. You do.
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Emily: Not like. But just somebody.
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Alison: Yeah. When you enjoy seeing them at work. You
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know, you have a work wife,
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Emily: and that's how easy the dialogue flows between
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people. And. And the banter really kind of works.
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Yeah.
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Alison: Because, the two of them have never bantered
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before. Stiles and Lydia don't banter. They do
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now.
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Emily: They don't. They do now. Which I really like.
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These people are supposed to be friends.
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Alison: Yes. Yes, they are. They're supposed to be
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friends. Stiles and Scott used to banter in
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seasons one and two. Then, you know, Scott got
7:36
Alison on the brain. And now he's got Kira on the
7:39
brain and he's got Alpha being on the brain.
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Emily: And Stiles is just the weight of the world.
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Alison: Poor kid. On the one hand, no thank you. But on
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the other hand, he's just a kid and he's trying
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his fucking best.
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Emily: He, Yeah, they're not. They're maybe 18 at this
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point, depending on how the Teen Wolf timeline
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flows.
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Alison: Aren't they junior seniors, maybe?
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Emily: Basically. Problem. What year is it?
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Alison: Yeah, they're junior seniors. I think they
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graduate at the end of season six.
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Emily: Oh, so they could still. Who knows what year it
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is?
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Alison: Graduate? No. Did they graduate into 6A?
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Emily: They might. College.
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Alison: Well, I'm trying to. I'm trying to figure it out.
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They might. Somewhere around season six because
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Stiles.
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Emily: It's a Buffy problem.
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Alison: Well, because Stiles disappears to his FBI thing.
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Emily: You have to go to college for. Yeah, well, you
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don't just go to FBI training.
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Alison: It might be a summer program.
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Emily: I. I was an X Files nerd. I thought about being an
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FBI agent as a kid. I was. I could do that. And
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then I was like, I couldn't do that.
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Alison: I couldn't do that. But that's fine.
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Emily: But.
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Alison: Yeah, so we're. We're. We're finally back to
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banter between Stiles and his work wife, Lydia.
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Love this for them. And he starts, you know,
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yanking her around about, you know, this is. This
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plan is stupid and we're gonna die. Is that an
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official Banshee prediction or are you just being
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pessimistic? Like I love.
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Emily: Could be either one. I. I love that they're just
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walking through the streets of some unknown town
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in Mexico.
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Alison: Yeah, just whatever. It's cool, guys. Just.
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Emily: Just chilling in. Clearly. And not a tourist town.
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Alison: Correct.
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Emily: Okay. Yeah. It might be a stupid plan.
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Alison: Yeah.
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Emily: And it goes from day to night real quick while
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they're still walking.
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Alison: It sure does. They've been wandering around this
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town for some time. But look at Lydia's Spanish.
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They get to this door, this secret spooky door
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with secret spooky men in front of it, and Lydia
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busts out her high school Spanish. Apparently she
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took Spanish while Isaac and Alison were taking
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French.
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Emily: Yes. That makes I. I believe enough about Lydia
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that she would know a couple languages.
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Alison: Yeah. And especially because she says, asamo Saki
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put up. We're here for the party. which absolutely
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makes sense in this context.
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Emily: Yeah, she's got her duolingo going.
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Alison: She's got her duo going. Duo would have taught her
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that.
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Emily: It wouldn't teach her anything useful. But we're
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here for the party.
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Alison: Sure it's okay all the hunters inside speak
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English. It's fine.
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Emily: Yes, and they really have to flash a tarot card
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with a skull together? There's no other context as
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to what any of this means, but that's fine.
10:16
However, what's happening behind a bunch of closed
10:18
doors is a rave.
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Alison: Is it bad that my first immediate thought was, did
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they fight another gay club?
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Emily: No, that is a great first thought. Mine was. So
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was this a cover for the hunters, or is this how
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they make their money?
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Alison: Probably both. It's. I. Yes, I think it's how they
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make the money. I think it's a great cover for
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base of operations. It's allowed. No one comes and
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asks questions.
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Emily: People are coming and going all the time, so it
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doesn't matter if big burly guys are coming and
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going.
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Alison: Yeah. And, you know, muscle is just. Oh, yeah.
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Well, it's a club. There are bouncers. It totally
10:49
makes sense. And I'm just thinking of, like, all
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the. Of all the. The clubs in. In Beacon Hills,
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and I'm. Oh, did they just. Did they. Is this
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Beacon Hills, Mexico?
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Emily: I mean, so there is a moment later where we can
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have a. A queer baiting conversation.
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Alison: Oh, yes, we will. Oh, yes, we will.
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Emily: So, yeah, we'll bring that up later because I was.
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Alison: All right, we'll talk about that.
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Emily: Because there was always.
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Alison: Is.
11:16
Emily: Is Derek and Stiles. Is this queerbaiting? No, but
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this is. So we'll come back around to it.
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Alison: Oh, yeah, we'll come back around to them.
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Emily: Capital T. Them.
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Alison: Them.
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Emily: Lydia gets to be a badass because she is. We're
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not here to drink. And she drops a bullet casing
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with a skull carving in the shot glass.
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Alison: Like in the shot of a skull.
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Emily: Ooh, I love that she's the one leading this little
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operation and not Stiles. Yes, but they're there
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to see Araya Ariah. Araya. Araya, the leader of
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our Mexican hunter family, who we have seen in the
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previous season being a bitch to Derek and Peter.
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And Peter. Peter is an unknown entity. So far, we
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don't see him, but he's somewhere.
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Alison: He's around. He's always around.
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Emily: She apparently loves the rave music, though. yeah,
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she's living the youth life. But the pack is there
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for Derek because he is missing at the end of
12:17
season three.
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Alison: Don't tell me Stiles and Lydia are there for
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Derek. I'm sorry.
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Emily: They're there for Derek.
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Alison: I'm Sorry, can you just say that one more time
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that Lydia and Stiles travel to Mexico to find
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Derek. I'm so sorry.
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Emily: My brain, can't quite. For Derek who is missing
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because they
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Alison: are willing to pay $50,000 for Derek Hale and
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Araya is. Where do you get this kind of money? The
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Japanese mafia. And I had to think so freaking
12:47
hard.
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Emily: I know.
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Alison: How did they know the Japanese. They don't know
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Japanese mafia. No, that was Deaton.
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Emily: I. The deep cut of this. I was. How did they.
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Alison: Who?
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Emily: And they don't even bother explaining it either.
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How did we get from. From the 50k on the table
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back to the mafia?
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Alison: Why is Stiles. Why is Stiles carrying $50,000 in
13:11
cash just in his little pockets and no
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Emily: one jumped him for it?
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Alison: For real? For real. Although there is.
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Emily: You cannot carry that through the airport. They
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had to have driven.
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Alison: Yeah, no, they definitely did. They definitely did
13:24
because the jeep is there.
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Emily: The jeep is there.
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Emily: But they got that through the border.
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Alison: Yeah, I guess. And there's a part of me as we're
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talking about 911 and the different characters who
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have praise kinks that can be seen from space. I
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think that it would give Derek a special shot of
13:39
something to his heart to know that they were
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willing that they have priced him at $50,000.
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Emily: That's true. When they had more than that on hand.
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Alison: When they had more than the hot hand spit. you
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know what you mean. You know what you mean to me.
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$50,000.
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Emily: Yeah.
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Alison: Which you know what? Later in the season isn't
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gonna sound much.
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Emily: No, it's not.
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Alison: But four.
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Emily: I did think about that. I was. That's all he's
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worth to you?
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Alison: That's all he's worth to you?
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Emily: No Boomer.
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Alison: But yes, we have just. I think this is really
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where I started to have Stiles has two hands
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feelings.
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Emily: Oh.
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Alison: In my initial watch through it'll get worse next
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episode I think. But I definitely started. I
14:20
definitely started to have Stiles has two hands.
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Emily: Got it. I. You know me. I'm not a great multi
14:26
shipper but I. I will. I indulge other people's.
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Alison: For which I am very, very grateful.
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Emily: Yes. Especially. Cause they're all so pretty.
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They're so pretty.
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Alison: They're such cuties.
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Emily: But they, They haven't come alone because Kira and
14:39
Malia are out dancing in the club and Scott is
14:43
just lurking somewhere with his very.
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Alison: He's staring at the ground. I'm looking into and
14:48
eating in the corner. You sure are Scotty. Good
14:50
job.
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Emily: Yeah, good, good. Good job, buddy. He's just. Just
14:53
standing there. So.
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Alison: So no, we. We have to. I have to get through a few
14:58
things before we get to whatever it is you're
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sighing about.
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Emily: Okay.
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Alison: so first thing, we have a new credit opening
15:03
sequence for some people. Well, okay, so the whole
15:07
thing is now tan. It's all yellow, orange now.
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Emily: Fucking sepia.
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Alison: Very sepia toned. We get Scott, we get Stiles, we
15:15
get Derek. So Alison's been removed by. By
15:18
Crystal, and Jackson's been removed for a while,
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but I wasn't thinking about it until now.
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Emily: Oh, right. Yeah.
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Alison: So we get Scott, Stiles, Derek, Lydia, then Kira
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and Malia both get added Malia then Kira to the
15:32
main credit sequence. So congratulations. I guess
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you guys are getting added to the show now.
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Emily: yeah, I think they become regulars instead of
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guests.
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Alison: Yeah, they become regulars instead of guests.
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Congratulations. And then we open back up and I'm
15:43
looking at all the damn credits at the bottom of
15:45
the screen, you know, also starring. And my
15:50
immediate thought was, wow, look at all these
15:52
characters who are about to appear in this
15:53
episode.
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Emily: Oh, God, yikes.
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Alison: Because we get, you know, Jill Wagner and Ian
15:58
Bowen and Ian Nelson and just picking, Megan.
16:02
Megan Tandy. Oh, okay, so everyone's coming back.
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I know who. I know who's showing up here. Okay,
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great.
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Emily: Yeah. For how little you see of anybody, they're
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all there.
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Alison: For how little you see of anybody, they are all
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there.
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Emily: Yeah. Yep.
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Alison: All right, time to sigh.
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Emily: So, the bouncers are looking for Kieran Malia. So
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they're gonna dance together to blend in. Which, I
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mean, it doesn't work anyway because a ring forms
16:32
around their basic girl dancing. But, the framing
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of this is. You know what?
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Alison: It.
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Emily: It's so queer baity. They're meant to look the.
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That they're into it.
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Alison: They are both into it and each other. Malia grabs
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Kira by the waist and pulls her in. There's all
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these shots of them in each other's hair. She's
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throwing her neck back and it's just. Okay,
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everybody. And they. And they spend 20 or so
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seconds on it.
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Emily: Oh, it's long.
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Alison: It is a long. And so it's. You know, they do all
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of this. They've. They've. They've slammed a big
17:11
wall down between Stiles and Derek. They have
17:15
attached Stiles to Malia. They slammed a big wall
17:19
down between Scott and Alison. They're just making
17:22
Stiles and Lydia totally platonic. They've got
17:25
Scott and Kira. And then for Reasons they do this.
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Yeah. And it. It's not bad. I love it. But it
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does. I do have to ask some questions.
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Emily: It's only bad because there's no purpose behind it
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other than, hey, two hot.
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Alison: Huh?
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Emily: Girls dancing.
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Alison: Yeah.
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Emily: They're never gonna be queer characters.
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Alison: No, they're not. And they could be.
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Emily: That could be a plot line. And people are 100%
17:53
into it on AO3.
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Alison: Yeah, they should have been. I love, Kira and
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Malia. I love Kira and Malia more than I love
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Scott and Kira and more than I love Stiles and
18:02
Malia.
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Emily: Totally down with it.
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Alison: And Malia have a arc. They are. They are great.
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They're great. They're incredible. It is kind of
18:10
Urkel and me irking. Not Urkel. Urkel. Yeah, it's
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Urkel and me. Did I do that? Did I do that? Yeah.
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Yeah, you did. Writers.
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Emily: You did do that.
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Alison: You did do that. You sure did. Because Ken, our
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beloved. Our beloved Father Kennedy sets it up in
18:29
3B. Maybe you should date the coyote.
18:34
Emily: Yeah.
18:35
Alison: And if I was a person who believed in canon slow
18:39
burn romances. If I were that person, sure. Then
18:44
it just, it's. It's set up. You set it up last
18:47
season with. Maybe you should date the Coyote. And
18:49
then you get this dancing scene and you. Okay,
18:52
guy. Yes. They're both very pretty. And do you
18:56
know what you set up? And you're just gonna leave
18:58
it, you're just gonna leave the bait there in the
19:00
trap. Okay, cool. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool,
19:02
cool. Yeah.
19:03
Emily: This, this is the shit people talk about when
19:05
they're queerbaiting or, male gays.
19:09
Alison: Yes, but this isn't. Was there anything male about
19:12
that gaze? Because I don't think there was.
19:14
Emily: Well, but it's still not even shot for women to
19:18
enjoy, I guess.
19:19
Alison: Not. Not.
19:20
Emily: Not really.
19:21
Alison: Not really. The. The. The beginning shot is when
19:25
Malia puts her hand around Kira's waist.
19:27
Emily: Sure. Yeah.
19:28
Alison: That one is a close up shot. I'm like, that's
19:30
female coded. Yeah, that's female gaze coded. But
19:33
I just.
19:34
Emily: Exactly.
19:35
Alison: Yeah. So the Malia reached out and says, dance
19:38
with me, dumbass. Which is one of their big tags.
19:42
these, my notes read. These two belong together.
19:44
Don't look at me. Don't perceive me. I am weak.
19:47
That fucking boob shot. Are you kidding me? They
19:50
like focus in on their boobs, like bouncing and
19:53
dancing together.
19:54
Emily: They really do.
19:55
Alison: Like what?
19:56
Emily: I had also forgotten that Malia is basically
19:59
wearing
20:01
Alison: diaper.
20:02
Emily: like her shorts are so short.
20:04
Alison: Yeah, she's wearing little bitty booty shorts.
20:07
Emily: They are booty, shorts.
20:09
Alison: Booty shorts indeed.
20:10
Emily: I will complain endlessly about the wardrobe for
20:13
the women on this show.
20:15
Alison: Correct.
20:16
Emily: Utterly inappropriate for the situation.
20:18
Alison: Let them wear pants.
20:19
Emily: Let them wear pants. Put Lydia in pants. She is in
20:22
the Mexican desert. It's gonna be so cold.
20:25
Alison: Yeah, that's the thing is that like in the day,
20:27
it's. It's really hot. At night, they're all
20:30
freezing and they're
20:31
Emily: like on a mission.
20:33
Alison: Yeah.
20:33
Emily: You're there to rescue someone. You're wearing a
20:35
skirt.
20:36
Alison: No, no, no, no, no.
20:38
Emily: Utility pants. You need pockets, bitch. Like,
20:43
Alison: correct. I just. It's. It's wild. This whole thing
20:45
is wild. It serves no purpose other than
20:47
queerbaiting. it's just. I. Yikes.
20:52
Emily: So anyway, the title of the show. Because now we
20:54
get a monologue. Well, it's not really a
20:56
monologue. It's a weird discussion.
20:57
Alison: It is a weird discussion.
20:59
Emily: I, I hated this because I didn't hate it. I was
21:02
just like. So you wanted to use the title for the
21:05
episode. For the first. For the, for the premiere.
21:08
But it's not. Is it the Dark Moon? Is it the New
21:13
Moon? It doesn't feel it fits in. And this happens
21:16
with other titles too. It's the. Actually, I'm not
21:19
gonna be able to think of one now. Cause I forgot
21:20
to write it down.
21:21
Alison: But, I think really the only thing about it is
21:25
that it kind of kickstarts their whole
21:26
conversation on grief and loss. Because, you know,
21:30
Lydia and Araya are talking about the moon
21:33
symbolisms and talking about the dark moon and the
21:35
new moon and, you know, grief, Grief and loss. And
21:39
she calls her Miha, which just, Oh, yeah, yeah,
21:44
that's. That's, that's. That's a term. It's not
21:46
always a term of endearment.
21:48
Emily: Sure.
21:48
Alison: Like it's appropriate, but. Oof.
21:50
Emily: Yeah.
21:52
Alison: And just. They're just re. Kick starting that
21:54
conversation about. About grief and loss.
21:57
Emily: Yeah.
21:57
Alison: Because they have to. This entire freaking episode
22:00
is just retcon.
22:02
Emily: Oh, is it? Is it?
22:06
Alison: Is it? Is it just Retcon? Oh my gosh. And so they
22:10
have. And they'll do it a little bit more later,
22:12
but they're just friggin. They have to just set
22:15
up. Hey, hey, hey. Remember how Alison died? Do
22:17
you remember Alison Archer? Do you remember how
22:19
she died? Do you remember. Do you remember.
22:20
Emily: Remember that character that everyone mostly
22:23
liked?
22:23
Alison: And then we killed her. We killed her dead, dead,
22:26
dead, dead.
22:27
Emily: The actress wanted to leave the show and we
22:28
couldn't just send her to France.
22:29
Alison: Dead, dead, dead. Except not for long. Not
22:33
forever.
22:35
Emily: I did. I mean, I did. Why are you risking it for
22:38
Derek Hale and Stiles is. We don't to lose.
22:40
Alison: Yeah. Why? Okay. And this is, a problem. It's not
22:44
a problem. It's a situation that I have a problem
22:46
with. Stiles. Stiles. Middle name Stilinski.
22:51
Emily: Stiles S. Stolinski.
22:53
Alison: Because I think his name is Micislav, but
22:55
whatever. Stiles, get Derek's name out of your
22:57
mouth. Why is his name, just in your mouth? Why?
23:00
Emily: The whole episode.
23:00
Alison: Why is his name in your mouth the whole episode?
23:03
Why can you not stop talking about him? Why?
23:05
Emily: Because that's his husband.
23:07
Alison: So fucking real. Why would you risk all this grief
23:11
and loss for someone, Derek? It's because Stiles
23:14
is obviously. Were you not paying attention?
23:18
Emily: And why are we acting? Derek's a piece of shit.
23:21
Alison: Yes. He's not. What?
23:22
Emily: Why aren't you just gonna let Derek die? Why would
23:24
we.
23:25
Alison: Why would.
23:26
Emily: He sucks.
23:27
Alison: He's saved us a number of times.
23:29
Emily: He's not Peter.
23:31
Alison: Exactly. He's not Peter.
23:33
Emily: Why does this show hate Derek Hale?
23:35
Alison: They really do. They hate Derek, and it's very
23:38
upsetting.
23:38
Emily: I don't get it. I get it. If this was a
23:40
conversation about Peter and Arya was. Why. Why
23:44
are you risking your lives for fucking Peter Hale?
23:47
I'd be like, yeah, why are you. Fuck that, dude.
23:49
Alison: That is a good question. Derek, not Derek. He has
23:52
grown and is trying so hard and has allies and
23:55
friends and. Come on, guys. Come on, now. But for
23:59
real, with Lydia being, you know, in charge of
24:02
this meeting, it should be her.
24:05
Emily: Yeah.
24:06
Alison: It would have lost nothing if, you know, Ariah's
24:09
confronting the both of them and go, why would you
24:11
risk all this for someone, Derek? And Lydia goes,
24:13
because we don't to lose. It didn't have to be
24:16
Stiles. Why?
24:17
Emily: Was it because that's his husband.
24:20
Alison: Correct.
24:22
Emily: And he loves him.
24:24
Alison: Because you. You think I'm gorgeous.
24:27
Emily: You want to date me.
24:30
Alison: Correct.
24:31
Emily: So, yeah. And there's. Okay. There's also a fun
24:35
moment where the bodyguards are checking in around
24:37
the thing, and then Scott's taking care of
24:40
business.
24:40
Alison: Scott is. He's making power moves. He's taking
24:43
care of business. Look at that.
24:45
Emily: Getting on the radio hate Stiles Take 10,000 off
24:48
the table.
24:48
Alison: That is, in fact, a power move.
24:50
Emily: I really like that because I, They have done
24:53
enough missions at this point that they should be
24:55
getting pretty good at them for real to actually
24:58
have a little plan to Be all right. We're gonna.
25:01
We're going to offer 50, we're going to take out
25:03
the bodyguards, and then we're going to take 10
25:05
off the table. I, I liked it.
25:07
Alison: Yeah, so did I. It was really good to see Scott
25:10
because Scott, for the last season has been trying
25:12
to step into this leader alpha role, and it's good
25:16
to see him get to flex those muscles a little bit.
25:19
It was. It was really good.
25:21
Emily: I quite enjoy that. So. Yeah, it's good. Good boy.
25:27
It feels weird.
25:28
Alison: Feels weird. So my next question on, did the
25:33
writers even pay attention? Did anyone beta this
25:35
episode for real? I have questions.
25:38
Emily: the scripts before we send them out, obviously.
25:41
Alison: How does Ariah know that Lydia is a banshee? Is
25:43
she just telling people now? Is it in the network?
25:45
Did she get it from Peter?
25:46
Emily: Like, okay, there has to be a hunter. how does
25:50
anyone know anything in the show?
25:51
Alison: How does anything in the show do
25:53
Emily: we find out later? Because obvious. Honestly,
25:55
season four is much blurrier than seasons one
25:58
through three.
25:59
Alison: Truly. I don't remember.
26:01
Emily: Where do they get the fucking tarot card with the
26:03
skull to get let in?
26:04
Alison: I don't know. Probably from Chris, maybe from
26:06
Deaton.
26:07
Emily: Like, that's just a hand wave of. They've. They've
26:10
gotten in because of the. I get why they have the
26:12
bullet casings.
26:14
Alison: Yeah, that's obvious because they scooped them out
26:16
of Derek's loft. Yeah, but where do they get the
26:17
Emily: tarot card to get in? It's not. They have a good
26:21
relationship with Orayah and her crew.
26:24
Alison: I don't know. I don't know. We're just gonna wave
26:26
it. We're just gonna suspend our disbelief. We're
26:28
just gonna.
26:28
Emily: Is it. It's just in the same place where she knows
26:33
everything else? yeah.
26:36
Alison: I don't know. Well, we go back to the baitiest
26:40
queers on the dance floor because Kira and Malia
26:43
have decided that the security guards are now too
26:46
close and decide to show off some of their fun,
26:49
fancy fighting skills.
26:51
Emily: Glow stick nunchucks. Why?
26:54
Alison: Because Kira Yakimura is the light of my life,
26:57
that's why. Why nunchucks? Apparently Malia has
27:03
gotten much better at high kicks in the last
27:06
couple of weeks.
27:08
Emily: Girl should barely be able to use her body outside
27:11
of a coyote.
27:12
Alison: I don't know.
27:13
Emily: That's a trope that I. I really wanted to love
27:16
about Malia is that she's been in a coyote's body
27:19
for what, eight years? Yeah, I wanted. Doesn't
27:22
know English. No social niceties. Can is like
27:27
stumbling on two human legs. Like an Ariel.
27:29
Alison: Yeah.
27:30
Emily: That. That's a direction in the storyline that I
27:34
really wanted. When they reveal that. Who she's
27:38
been. Right.
27:39
Alison: Yeah.
27:40
Emily: Because it's juicy and kind of maybe a cool
27:42
acting. It works really well in fic.
27:45
Alison: Yeah. It's so interesting when it's. You gotta
27:48
teach her to be a werewolf. No, we gotta teach her
27:50
to be a person.
27:51
Emily: Yeah.
27:51
Alison: She's been a coyote since she was eight years old.
27:54
Emily: Yeah.
27:54
Alison: She's a third grader.
27:55
Emily: Third grader doesn't mean she's dumb. It means she
27:58
doesn't know how to be a person.
27:59
Alison: It means she doesn't know how to be a. She doesn't
28:01
know how to be 16. She never learned. And so, yes,
28:04
truly feral Malia is something I would have loved
28:09
to see. I completely agree. Totally.
28:10
Emily: I. And they just. The bits that they throw out,
28:13
especially in this episode of her. I would just
28:15
leave them behind. Duh. I actually really that.
28:17
Alison: Yeah.
28:18
Emily: Because it's. It's not her being mean. It's just
28:20
her following her instincts at the fucking coyote.
28:23
Why am I not leaving behind the weakest flake?
28:26
Duh.
28:26
Alison: Yeah. If it like I wanted more and if it was a bad
28:30
season, I would eat her. Yeah, you would. You sure
28:32
would. That's correct.
28:33
Emily: I wanted more of that and I wanted deeper.
28:36
Alison: Yeah, I agree.
28:39
Emily: That's. I think that's why Malia is always so
28:41
upsetting for me is it's not enough character.
28:44
Alison: Right.
28:44
Emily: They just brought in another pretty girl to
28:47
replace Alison to be a badass.
28:51
Alison: And what they're doing is that they're trying to
28:53
put Stiles with every possible hail in order to
28:56
avoid putting him with Derek.
28:57
Emily: Because 100 I think they'd rather he Peter before
29:02
Derek.
29:02
Alison: Oh, I'm sorry. Do you not remember the scene when.
29:06
Emily: I, remember all the scenes when
29:08
Alison: Peter offers to turn Stiles into a werewolf with
29:10
like elevating over his arm the way that the two
29:13
of them. You remember this?
29:16
Emily: I do. Sorry. Hecklin is so beautiful. They can't
29:20
be on screen together. I don't know what the
29:21
problem is.
29:22
Alison: First it was Derek, then it was Peter, then it was
29:23
Cora, now it's Malia. Yes.
29:25
Emily: All of them. He's running the gamut of them trying
29:28
to plant the same chemistry and it doesn't work.
29:32
Alison: Oh my God. Obscene. So speaking of Gur Arg. So
29:36
Kira and Malia are fighting on the dance floor and
29:38
it's just very stunt work and it's very exciting.
29:41
With their gluing it up, Glow in the dark,
29:43
nunchucks. Ariah's office. And they're trying to
29:48
defend why they don't want to keep Derek. And
29:52
Stiles is the funniest in the room.
29:59
Emily: You don't want him. He's a downer. I want him.
30:02
He's mine. But you don't want him.
30:05
Alison: So once again, tell me, Derek Stiles, why can you
30:08
not keep Derek's name out of your mouth?
30:10
Emily: Because it's his favorite word.
30:12
Alison: It's literally his favorite fucking word. Funniest
30:14
shit of my whole life.
30:16
Emily: I love it. I adore it.
30:18
Alison: Me, too. It's so funny.
30:21
Emily: I'm sorry, what was that word again? Derek. It was
30:22
Derek. You were saying? Oh, okay.
30:23
Alison: I'm sorry. It was Derek.
30:25
Emily: Yeah. What are you talking about again?
30:26
Alison: My husband, Derek Hale. Oh, yes.
30:29
Emily: Okay, buddy. So they're Ariah's. Okay, enough of
30:33
this shit. Let's show them how the Calaveras
30:35
negotiate. Which their last name apparently just
30:38
means skull, because we're really going to hit the
30:41
nail on the head with this one. Because Joel is
30:43
the skull in da Club de Klerb.
30:48
Emily: Which is a joke that's not going to make any sense
30:50
in a year when this comes out, but, you know,
30:51
correct in the kleur. We all fam anyway. We all
30:55
werewolves. The dj, who just has this on hand, I
30:59
guess, for this particular situation, start to
31:02
blow and smoke anywhere that's laced with
31:03
wolfsbane.
31:04
Alison: Oh, no.
31:06
Emily: Because, you know, you just keep that at the ready
31:09
for when it's needed.
31:11
Alison: Because it definitely doesn't injure any of the
31:12
regular people that are there.
31:14
Emily: No. But I imagine that doesn't taste good, right?
31:16
Alison: No, probably not.
31:18
Emily: Imagine you're just vibing at the club, and all of
31:20
a sudden you're like, gross. So who knows what's
31:24
happening there? Scott's going. Going down with
31:27
the wolfsbane, and he's. Hold on, Flash. Arya
31:32
doesn't know where Derek is either. Now, I'm not
31:34
entirely sure how he makes this logically.
31:37
Alison: Oh, I have no idea. There's nothing other than,
31:40
maybe Scott can hear her lie.
31:44
Emily: Yeah.
31:45
Alison: But I. I have no idea. I don't have no idea how he
31:48
comes to this conclusion, but apparently he is
31:50
correct.
31:51
Emily: I mean, I feel what happened is they wrote
31:54
themselves into a corner of, you tell me where
31:57
Eric is. No, you tell me where Derek is. And then
31:59
the writers were, Someone has to know where.
32:02
Alison: Someone has to know where Derek is. And I think
32:04
it's us.
32:05
Emily: We know where Derek is. But nobody knows where
32:07
Derek is. So then they had to be. Well, Scott's
32:10
gonna figure it out. Because he's Scott.
32:13
Alison: Because he's Scott. And he does. He does.
32:16
Emily: And we get a flashback. And you can tell because
32:19
it's not sepia, right?
32:20
Alison: It's blue.
32:21
Emily: It's blue. And Derek's been gone for weeks, which
32:24
is how we know that Derek's been gone for weeks.
32:28
And Scott has the skull engraved bullet casings
32:31
from the loft. And in my brain I went, you know
32:34
what? We have two lofts to defeat in our fandoms.
32:38
Alison: You have two lofts to defeat.
32:40
Emily: What is it with the bisexuals and
32:42
Alison: their lofts that they need to be defeated to move
32:45
home with their husbands? I'm the mystics.
32:47
Emily: What is going on with sad bisexuals and their
32:51
lofts?
32:52
Alison: It's truly a pattern that needs.
32:54
Emily: Who in Hollywood set deck is the bisexuals are
32:57
getting a loft that's kind of ugly and sad and
32:59
empty and barren.
33:01
Alison: Right?
33:01
Emily: That's how, that's how the audience is going to
33:03
know.
33:04
Alison: That's how the audience is going to know.
33:06
Emily: Going to have to talk to somebody about this. So
33:09
Lydia, you know, gets a hold of them and she gets
33:13
a flash of gunshots and screaming. And but she's.
33:17
I. I don't know if he's alive. There's just
33:19
something not right. Which is true. Something is
33:23
very not right.
33:25
Alison: So this whole scene is very, very odd because once
33:28
again, Stiles cannot keep Derek out of his mouth.
33:32
Emily: No.
33:32
Alison: Well, he can't keep Derek's name out of his mouth.
33:35
You're welcome.
33:36
Emily: He would love keep Derek in his mouth, but yes.
33:39
Alison: Yeah, he. A little bit would.
33:40
Emily: we have to mark this podcast as not safe for kids.
33:43
Alison: Oh, God. I think we are. There's gonna be just too
33:45
many blowtop jokes. Really. Sorry. But you know,
33:49
Stiles is really the one who's kind of moving the
33:52
conversation forward. Do we know where he is? What
33:54
do you think happened to him? You don't think he's
33:55
dead, do you? it's. Well, do you return your
33:58
texts? He's. He's returned my texts. Does Derek
34:00
ever return your texts? And I'm sitting here
34:04
going, does he return your styles?
34:06
Emily: Does he return your texts?
34:08
Alison: Do you. Do you talk about it? But every friggin
34:12
time, even when it's Scott postulating and even
34:14
when it's Lydia postulating, they still focus on
34:16
freaking Stiles.
34:18
Emily: They do.
34:18
Alison: Who is so worried about what's going on with
34:21
Derek? I just, I don't Understand?
34:23
Emily: I did just have a realization that Derek doesn't
34:25
text back, but he does leave voice notes.
34:29
Alison: I'm sorry. Explain.
34:31
Emily: So, I'm. I'm just imagining Derek is not going to
34:33
text you back, but when he has something to tell
34:35
you, he's going to leave it as a voice note.
34:36
Alison: That tracks.
34:38
Emily: That just occurred to me as we. As you were
34:40
saying, is he. Does he text you back? And I was
34:42
like, of course he doesn't text you back. He
34:43
leaves you a voice note. Because, he does not have
34:45
time to sit there and type.
34:48
Alison: No, but he will growl at you
34:49
Emily: through a voice note.
34:50
Alison: I'm sorry. I think I need you to write me 5,000
34:53
words of Stiles when Derek is gone. Just listening
34:57
to the voice notes over and over.
34:58
Emily: Exactly. Because that way he can save them.
35:01
Alison: I'm. I'm really upset with you right now, by the
35:03
way.
35:03
Emily: So sorry. Sorry. It just. It just blooped in my
35:06
brain. I was like, oh, voice notes. Duh.
35:07
Alison: Of course.
35:08
Emily: Because then he can be running through the
35:10
preserve while leaving a voice note.
35:12
Alison: I'm coming to get you, you ungrateful bastard.
35:14
Don't die until I do.
35:16
Emily: Exactly.
35:17
Alison: Yeah.
35:17
Emily: He can't text that.
35:20
Alison: No, no, he can't. Very upsetting.
35:23
Emily: Anyway, an aside. So Lydia has been politely
35:30
abducted.
35:31
Alison: Politely.
35:32
Emily: By Aria, who has taken her to tea because she
35:36
knows she's a Banshee. Again, you said how?
35:39
Alison: No idea.
35:39
Emily: But how is there a hunter Twitter do they just.
35:42
Alison: There must be.
35:44
Emily: And she's. I want you to tell me which one of my
35:47
men are about to die.
35:48
Alison: And Lydia panics because she doesn't know how to
35:51
turn her banshee powers on and off. She is brand
35:54
new at this.
35:57
Emily: Yes, she is. And Raya's just how close do they
36:00
have to. How close to death do they have to be?
36:02
And she's a knife right into one of them.
36:04
Alison: And then she screams.
36:05
Emily: And then he goes, ah. Not a banshee scream, more
36:08
like a what the fuck?
36:10
Alison: Just a regular scream.
36:12
Emily: Yep. And then Ariah's. And this is where the
36:16
writing for me, I was like, okay, what is your
36:17
question though? Because now she wants to know
36:19
about Scott McCall and what kind of alpha he
36:20
really is. Do you want to know where Derek is? Do
36:23
you want to know about her banshee powers? Or do
36:24
you want to know about Scott McCall? What is your
36:26
question?
36:27
Alison: What is your question, ma'? Am?
36:28
Emily: Like, what do you want to know? These are three
36:30
different things and they need. We got three
36:32
different plot lines happening. What do you want
36:34
to know? Pick one.
36:35
Alison: Pick, pick, pick one.
36:38
Emily: I don't know if that bothered you, but I was. Why
36:40
are we now talking about Scott? You were asking
36:41
about her banshee powers.
36:43
Alison: Literally. I think that they only focus on the
36:45
Scott question to set up the next scene. But they
36:49
do, you know, spoiler alert. Kind of at the end of
36:54
this episode when Arya continues to threaten
36:55
Scott. They do lay some groundwork for next
36:59
season.
37:00
Emily: Sure.
37:01
Alison: A little itty bitty bit of groundwork that I don't
37:03
think ever comes to fruition. Yeah, they just, I
37:07
think they just. What this episode feels like to
37:09
me is that they wrote three or four scenes and
37:11
then was. Okay, how do we connect these all
37:13
together? Right?
37:14
Emily: It also doesn't feel like Premiere.
37:17
Alison: No, no, it doesn't. Not at all.
37:20
Emily: Which is annoying.
37:22
Alison: Yeah. But so at this point, the rest of the gang
37:26
is all trapped in a bathroom. Yeah, Like a very
37:30
saw. A very saw esque bathroom.
37:32
Emily: I was like, is this a public gas station bathroom?
37:35
What is this?
37:36
Alison: This is a club bathroom.
37:37
Emily: The club. It is. It's you. Which. And then I was
37:40
also. Did the patrons not get to pee now?
37:43
Alison: I'm sorry.
37:44
Emily: And they. Did they not notice the fight that
37:45
happened in the middle of the dance floor?
37:47
Everyone just kept dancing. Everyone's like, no
37:49
fight was happening. Does this happen on the
37:50
regular. What is.
37:52
Alison: I don't know.
37:53
Emily: I would have been running. I mean, I don't go
37:55
dancing. Although this is an aside. At 10 o' clock
37:59
at night a couple weeks ago, I had just the insane
38:02
urge to go dancing.
38:03
Alison: Good. I love that for you.
38:05
Emily: I don't know what I was watching, but I was. I
38:06
could go dancing right now.
38:07
Alison: You were Pink Pony Emily.
38:09
Emily: A little bit. But I had no one to go dancing. If
38:11
it had been you and me, I would have been, we're
38:13
out of here. Let's go somewhere.
38:14
Alison: excuse me. Call me. I would have been there in 12
38:15
hours. 15, 20. I would have been there in 20, 34
38:19
hours.
38:20
Emily: Yeah. Let's go. Oh, now the urge is gone. And now
38:24
we're just sitting on. On the couch writing. But
38:27
yeah, anyway, now we're just.
38:28
Alison: Now we're just here. But Scott is so worried about
38:32
Lydia and he loves her. And literally this is what
38:35
I would have. If I could scramble the romantic
38:38
leads of Teen Wolf, I would. As much as I love
38:42
Scott and Kira, and I do, and I do, this would
38:45
have been a really great place to start.
38:47
Seriously. Building Scott and Lydia.
38:50
Emily: Yes.
38:52
Alison: and I would have loved that. I Do love Scott and
38:54
Lydia, because Scott is so worried about her, and
38:58
it just makes me very, very happy. Malia, on the
39:01
other hand, has no such compunction.
39:03
Emily: She doesn't. The rules of the Wild King. Yeah. Or,
39:05
yeah, because she's like, why don't we just leave
39:06
Lydia behind and Stiles has to be. The rules of
39:09
the Wild Kingdom don't apply to friends. We've
39:11
talked about this. I. That's the shit I want. And
39:14
deeper. More, please.
39:16
Alison: Yes. And, like, I, you know, I understand that
39:20
there's only 42 minutes of TV time and whatever,
39:22
but it's very clear that Stiles has been working
39:25
with her on. On this very clearly. That, like,
39:29
Stiles has been working with her on the people
39:31
part and Scott's been working with her on the
39:33
werewolf training part, and that, like, there is
39:36
progress. I would have loved to see it. Yeah, but
39:40
that's what fic is for.
39:42
Emily: That is exactly what fic is for. I know, but. But
39:46
also, the show should be good.
39:48
Alison: Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
39:51
Emily: The fic is the delta between the show and the
39:54
possibility. But, like, the show should also be
39:58
good.
39:58
Alison: The show should also be good, which is a thing
40:00
that we're going to be saying more and more often.
40:04
Very sorry to tell you.
40:06
Emily: I know, I know, because I've. I've seen, like, the
40:11
Deadpool, so. I know I've seen this. I just. I
40:14
feel like maybe I've washed it away or maybe I
40:19
just wasn't paying as much attention.
40:20
Alison: No, you were not paying as much attention. I
40:22
promise. it is fine. because, you know, Lydia has
40:27
come back from her tea time with Araya. and it
40:30
turns out that, she is now hooked up to some very
40:33
sad electrodes in a very sad office location.
40:39
Emily: I guess this is her office. This is the roommate.
40:43
This is the room that has the deer heads mounted
40:45
on the wall.
40:45
Alison: Right. For real? And a wolf house for fun.
40:47
Emily: Yeah. Just for giggle. M. How. Okay. Because
40:52
sometimes Stiles is portrayed as a deer, right?
40:55
And I was like, oh, we got a deer and a wolf on
40:57
the wall. but yeah, so this is going to be a test
41:00
because they have questions to ask Scott and
41:04
they're going to make Kira turn on the electricity
41:06
because she's immune to electricity. But it's.
41:09
She's not going to get electrocuted if she turns
41:11
the dial. So I don't know what that was all about.
41:13
If she doesn't turn the dial on Scott, they're
41:16
going to electrocute Lydia instead, who is
41:19
definitely going to be affected by it. Although I
41:22
think. I think they would find some Banshee power
41:25
to make it fine if they did do it for real. I was
41:28
not worried about her at all.
41:29
Alison: No.
41:30
Emily: Because the. The hunters also want to find Derek.
41:33
And they think Derek. No. Or Scott knows who took
41:37
Derek. So then we get some light. Electric
41:40
electricity play happening here.
41:42
Alison: Zap.
41:43
Emily: Little zip. Zap, zip, zap. Paddy whack.
41:46
Alison: It's very shattering.
41:47
Emily: Which is not sexy at all in this.
41:51
Alison: No.
41:51
Emily: And they shoot him very differently than they
41:53
shoot Derek when he gets electrocuted. Just FYI.
41:56
Alison: Real Scott, like his whole body, it's not shot at
42:00
a close up. It's No.
42:02
Emily: He's wearing clothes.
42:03
Alison: Yeah.
42:04
Emily: He's never wearing clothes when he gets
42:06
electrocuted.
42:06
Alison: Never once.
42:08
Emily: The lighting is harsh. He's not lit. It's porn.
42:11
So. Just saying. It's different.
42:14
Alison: It's very different. And I can't begin to tell you
42:17
why.
42:18
Emily: Well, you know, I have my. Not Tyler Posey isn't
42:22
ripped.
42:23
Alison: Yeah. So it's not pretty. He is.
42:25
Emily: Yeah. I. Yeah. M. Anyway.
42:28
Alison: Yeah. But in any case, Scott is very insistent
42:32
that he. That Kira focus all the zaps towards him.
42:36
Because he's going to protect Lydia. And he's
42:37
going to try his very best to emotionally prepare
42:40
Kira so that everyone's cool. Because Scott McCall
42:43
is a very good alpha who protects his friends.
42:46
Emily: Yes.
42:46
Alison: That's the Scott McCall thesis statement. Protect
42:49
your friends. And I. You know what? For as
42:51
ridiculous as their writers room has been, they
42:53
haven't forgotten that about Scott.
42:55
Emily: They have not. This is true. They And at all
42:58
costs, bad or good.
43:00
Alison: True.
43:00
Emily: Protect your friends.
43:02
Alison: Protect your friends. And speaking of someone who
43:05
doesn't protect their friends. Or who. Who does.
43:07
But not to Scott McCall level. Stiles is
43:09
desperately trying to get Malia to concentrate
43:12
enough to be a little werewolf hearing device. So
43:16
they, figure out what's going on.
43:19
Emily: Yeah. And was it established before that she had
43:21
super hearing?
43:23
Alison: I have no idea. Maybe because she's been wild for
43:25
so long, she's just gotten better. Better at using
43:27
it.
43:28
Emily: And that all weres have good hearing.
43:31
Alison: I don't know. I don't know.
43:34
Emily: So you know, he's. You gotta concentrate. Let's
43:37
try to concentrate. And I guess to concentrate.
43:39
She kisses him.
43:41
Alison: And you know what? It's not a thing that I use to
43:45
concentrate. I use it to concentrate on other
43:47
things. Lydia used it on Stiles in 3A.
43:50
Emily: Yes.
43:51
Alison: Stop. Focus. Focus your mind on one thing. And it
43:56
works for her. And they Wanted to, you know, put
43:59
more smooches in the episode because they were
44:01
cowards and didn't let Kira and Malia kiss, so.
44:05
You should have kissed your girlfriend. Yeah, you
44:07
should have.
44:08
Emily: Yep. Shoulda. Should duns it.
44:11
Alison: But yeah, it's.
44:12
Emily: I'm just. I can't be into Stiles and Malia.
44:14
Alison: Ah.
44:14
Emily: I can't do it.
44:16
Alison: I haven't been able to. But I'm less mad about it
44:19
now than I used to be, I think.
44:21
Emily: I. Yeah, I don't know. I. I don't know. I'll find
44:24
a way to. To voice. I just don't. Her character,
44:29
not description. I don't where her character is
44:31
yet because I still feel she's wild.
44:34
Alison: Yeah. But they're just not talking about it.
44:36
Emily: Yeah.
44:36
Alison: Yeah. By the time, you know, spoiler alert. By the
44:41
time Stiles and Malia break up, I. Her a lot more
44:45
because she moves on emotionally from Stiles kind
44:49
of to Lydia and Kira. And then she becomes. She
44:54
kind of figures it out. She models womanhood kind
44:56
of after her friends, and then she gets with
44:59
Scott, and they're very cute, but I don't know. I
45:03
don't know. I just. I don't love Stiles and Malia,
45:05
but a lot of people do, so let it ride.
45:08
Emily: Yeah. Yeah.
45:10
Alison: I just.
45:10
Emily: I want. I want more from all sorts of things.
45:13
Alison: Yeah. Just let Malia be feral. Just let her be
45:15
feral. She deserves feral. Let her be feral.
45:18
Emily: Yeah.
45:19
Emily: Awesome.
45:20
Alison: Okay, so here's the other thing. The writers were
45:23
just throwing shit at the wall here is still
45:25
zapping Scott because she wants. She wants the
45:30
answer from Scott. We established earlier in the
45:33
episode that Scott does not know where Derek is.
45:37
And Scott established for us that Aria does not
45:40
know where Derek is. And so then Aria turns him to
45:46
10 and zaps him big time. And then leads him to an
45:52
answer.
45:54
Emily: Listen.
45:55
Alison: That no one else had because they didn't know
46:00
where Derek was. I have so many questions. I,
46:04
Emily: How I. Again, I don't know if there was a missing
46:07
scene, if they forgot what they were asking, but
46:12
the whole conversation that they were having was,
46:15
where's Derek? Who has the power of a
46:18
shapeshifter? What?
46:19
Alison: What?
46:20
Emily: Who can be turned, but not by a bite. What are we
46:22
talking about?
46:23
Alison: what are we talking about? Derek was born a
46:25
werewolf.
46:26
Emily: So wait, do you know who took him? We know who
46:29
took him, so we know why you're leading this
46:31
question. But. But she shouldn't know if she
46:34
doesn't know.
46:36
Alison: Like.
46:36
Emily: So you do know. Cause it Turns out, you fucking
46:38
know.
46:39
Alison: Turns out you fucking know. So then we go back to
46:41
the end of last season. So Derek is standing
46:44
there, and the gunfire everywhere. Gunfire
46:48
everywhere is how they get the Calaveras bullet
46:51
casings, right?
46:53
Emily: Yes.
46:54
Alison: And then Kate shows up in the, In the apartment,
46:58
in the loft. So have the Calaveras been chasing
47:01
Kate this whole time? Is that. Is that what's
47:05
going on? I don't. I don't understand. I do not
47:08
understand. And it only gets worse because aria is
47:11
in 3B when they're. When Braden comes to save
47:13
Derek. Sorry, I don't know. they. She keeps
47:16
talking about La Loba.
47:19
Emily: Yes.
47:19
Alison: They call her La Loba. The wolf. The she wolf. And
47:23
then later they talk about the Bone Woman.
47:27
Emily: Oh, I forgot about the Bone Woman.
47:28
Alison: Like a different person. And I'm sitting here
47:30
going, Kate is not. Kate is not a wolf. You should
47:36
call her the Bone Woman. she's got those bone
47:39
guys. Come on.
47:40
Emily: And they also know where she is in. In Langlesia.
47:44
Alison: They must. I just. I don't. I don't understand.
47:48
But in any case, they have to immediately
47:50
retconned the ever loving shit out of Kate Argent
47:53
and her death in season one.
47:56
Emily: Yeah, because. And I hate this so, much. And it's
48:01
not even that it's Kate. I just don't her. Because
48:04
of the Derek murdering family, assaulting a child
48:07
thing. But somehow Scotty McCall is. Oh, it's
48:13
Kate. I figured it out. Because he has these
48:16
flashbacks and he's okay. And he. He flashes back
48:19
to a conversation in season one, Right.
48:23
Alison: I don't know.
48:24
Emily: With Chris and Kate Argent.
48:26
Alison: That someone.
48:27
Emily: Yeah, someone could get turned by a deep enough
48:30
scratch. And the entire life of Teen Wolf, I have
48:34
always wondered, was this a hint? Was this a
48:37
little plot pebble that we'll come back to this
48:41
someday? That someone could get turned by a deep,
48:44
enough scratch. Now it's never happened again. It
48:48
never happened before, but they just buried this
48:50
little thing to be like someone could get turned
48:52
by a scratch. And then they tore out Kate's
48:54
throat, left it for seasons, and then. Then had to
48:59
retcon the. The flow of her resurrection for real.
49:06
Because they didn't build anything to it. They
49:09
were just, oh, she's back. Okay. But also, the
49:12
Calaveras are involved somehow.
49:16
Alison: Somehow.
49:17
Emily: So did they just say that because it sounded cool,
49:19
or were they. Yeah, one day we'll come back to
49:21
this. Maybe.
49:22
Alison: I have absolutely no idea. And eventually we'll
49:26
get back to him because Peter's the Fucking worst
49:29
at, ah, everything forever. But how mad do you
49:32
think that Peter would be? I thought I killed you
49:36
last year. Nope, not well enough.
49:39
Emily: Not enough. I've. I've been regenerating in cold
49:42
storage the whole time. What do you mean?
49:45
Alison: Surprise. And last to me as a jaguar. Yeah. I just
49:51
don't understand because, that's.
49:53
Emily: That's. Your inner self is a cat.
49:56
Alison: Like, don't understand.
49:58
Emily: Your inner self is a spirit spider or a fucking
50:04
Wendigo. I don't know.
50:05
Alison: I don't. I don't understand. But they needed. One
50:09
of my favorite little reveals of this episode is.
50:11
Then we flash back to the bathroom where Stiles is
50:14
getting the lowdown from Malia about what
50:16
everyone's saying. And there. And he's. No way.
50:18
That's not what he just said. And she goes, why?
50:21
Who's Kate?
50:23
Emily: Yeah.
50:24
Alison: And this sets, up my favorite scene in the
50:26
episode. But for real, guys, really, I. I love
50:31
Kate Argent. I am a Kate Argent defender. I am a
50:34
defender of women's wrongs. Okay. I love Kate
50:38
Argent.
50:39
Alison: This was bullshit.
50:40
Emily: This is bullshit. Bullshit. My voice doesn't even
50:44
go high enough to describe.
50:45
Alison: It's bullshit.
50:46
Emily: So apparently can't get it up there.
50:48
Alison: So apparently this whole thing has been set up to
50:50
be welcome back, Kate. And then. And then, because
50:54
this episode cannot get any dumber, we are in a
50:57
fucking spider we temple. And then we go through a
51:00
wall that Kate apparently has Derek trapped in goo
51:04
and assorted spider webs in some kind of temple.
51:07
And I don't understand, but. Okay, guys, sounds
51:10
great.
51:10
Emily: Because she's a spider.
51:12
Alison: Yeah, she should be. She.
51:14
Emily: Like a black widow or some.
51:16
Alison: Some.
51:16
Emily: I. Yeah, he's unconscious. And still an adult.
51:21
Alison: Yeah, still an adult.
51:22
Emily: But he's all cocooned up.
51:23
Alison: Yeah, he's in the Jackson Whittemore Season 2
51:26
Cocoon. You're right.
51:28
Emily: That's right. I forgot about that.
51:29
Alison: The goon.
51:31
Emily: And then they just let Scott go. All right, you
51:33
can go now. Now that I know what kind of alpha you
51:35
are.
51:35
Alison: Yeah.
51:36
Emily: What kind of Alpha is he?
51:36
Alison: What kind of Alpha is that?
51:38
Emily: What is it?
51:39
Alison: What's funny about it?
51:40
Emily: That he can manifest memory and answers out of
51:44
thin air and break out of manacles? Yeah, of
51:47
course he can do that. He's the main character.
51:49
Alison: He's very strong. He has plot armor.
51:51
Emily: He's so strong. He's a true Alpha. But do you know
51:54
that now? Do you know he's a true Alpha, or do you
51:56
just know he is an Alpha.
51:58
Alison: I have no Idea.
51:59
Emily: What do you know?
52:01
Alison: I don't know.
52:02
Emily: So, like, I'm gonna leave you alone until you kill
52:04
an innocent.
52:06
Alison: Until you. Until you make a wolf of your own. And
52:09
then I'll come back for you. Okay.
52:12
Emily: Come back for you. Get out of here.
52:14
Alison: And then it's like, well, she's setting us up with
52:17
a guide. Okay, I hate you in your pack,
52:20
Emily: but here's a guide. I hate.
52:22
Alison: I hate you and everything you stand for, but
52:23
here's a nice lady who will assist you. And then.
52:27
Stupid. Then Braden just rolls up on her
52:30
motorcycle to be high. Guys.
52:32
Emily: Bet you thought you've seen the last of me, too.
52:35
Alison: I tried to die at least once. It didn't catch.
52:38
Emily: Yeah.
52:38
Alison: Although, props to the makeup department that
52:41
they've had. Continued to keep her scars.
52:43
Emily: Yeah. How come she gets to keep her scars?
52:46
Alison: Because there's 911 set. There's just the one set.
52:49
She only gets hurt the one time.
52:52
Emily: Do you see this 9, 1 1. Do you see how people keep
52:54
scars and are still hot?
52:56
Alison: She is hot, though. Megan Tandy's a babe. She's.
52:59
Oh, my God, What a babe. What a babe. and so they
53:03
m. Braden is. I'm taking you a place called La
53:06
Iglesia. And Lydia with her duolingo Spanish goes
53:09
the church.
53:11
Emily: Even I knew that one.
53:12
Alison: And they're. What's the church? And Braden goes
53:15
back. Not a place you'll find God. And my note
53:19
here is that someone thought they ate with that. I
53:23
know. And they were wrong.
53:24
Emily: They were wrong.
53:26
Alison: Oh, God, that's a bad line.
53:28
Emily: Not a place you find God.
53:30
Alison: Okay, guys, so they have.
53:33
Emily: They're being told that they are to find Kate,
53:36
capture her, and bring her back to the hunters.
53:38
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what's going to
53:40
happen.
53:40
Alison: Correct. Absolutely.
53:42
Emily: So now. Now we got a road trip through the desert
53:45
where Kira is now asking who Kate Argent is, which
53:50
they sort of answered in a previous question but
53:52
didn't. So now we gotta ask it again.
53:55
Alison: But I'm, not even mad about it because this scene
53:58
fucks me up every time. Because the writer who
54:03
thought they ate with it's not a place you'll find
54:06
God, in fact, did eat with the symbolism and lines
54:10
they drew in this scene. May I stand on my
54:13
soapbox?
54:14
Emily: You may.
54:16
Alison: So, Malia and Kira need it explained because
54:18
neither of them know who Kate is. Like, Kira
54:22
barely knows who Allyson is. Poor thing. They're
54:25
just so confused because they have no real history
54:28
with Alicent or the Argens. And so we have Lydia,
54:32
Stiles and Scott in the car as truth tellers.
54:35
Lydia relates Kate to Alison. She was Alison's
54:39
aunt. And she sort of relates her to Peter and a
54:43
total sociopath. Yep. Stiles relates Kate to
54:47
Derek. Obviously Kate was. Kate was the one who
54:52
set the fire that killed most of Derek's family.
54:56
Scott relates Kate to the werewolves and werewolf
54:59
packs. Some of them survived Cora and Peter. Lydia
55:03
relates her to Peter again, a very angry Peter.
55:08
Scott relates back to his werewolf journey. Yeah,
55:11
he's the one who bit and turned me. And then Lydia
55:14
back to Peter. And the one who finally caught up
55:17
to Kate and killed her.
55:19
Emily: Yep.
55:20
Alison: So you can look at the different priorities
55:26
through each of them. Like you would think that
55:30
Scott prioritizes Alison in this, but no, for
55:33
Scott, Kate is all about his own journey to
55:37
becoming a werewolf. Kate kickstarted everything
55:40
that ruined his life. Lydia relates it to Alison,
55:45
her best friend.
55:47
Emily: Her best. Her.
55:49
Alison: Her. Her best friend.
55:51
Emily: Slash.
55:53
Alison: Slash. the guy who possessed her a little bit. And
55:57
some of my favorite dark fic. Hello, Lydia. Peter.
55:59
Hello. And then of course, Surprising. Absolutely
56:02
no one relates Kate to Derek because she was the
56:08
one who ruined his life. And I just. I really
56:13
appreciate whoever took the time to lay this out.
56:17
Did it on purpose. And I just.
56:18
Emily: So where's that person in the rest of the episode?
56:22
Alison: They wrote this scene on spec. And then we're
56:24
paid, ah. A daily rate. And then we're never heard
56:26
from again.
56:27
Emily: And then they threw them into the desert for
56:29
reasons.
56:31
Alison: Yeah.
56:31
Emily: where's. Just inconsistent. Where is this level of
56:34
writing in the rest of the season? The episode.
56:36
Alison: For real.
56:37
Emily: The whatever.
56:38
Alison: For real. So do, you want to go over the
56:41
Retconnapalooza that happens next?
56:45
Emily: I just. So apparently after Kate's throat was
56:50
slashed out by Peter, somebody took her body to a
56:55
morgue. Unknown.
56:56
Alison: Who?
56:57
Emily: Probably. Probably Kris. Although I Wouldn't you
57:01
think that the. The Argents would deal with their
57:04
dead on their own instead of getting. Getting the.
57:07
The greater Beacon Hills. Whatever Involved in it.
57:11
Whatever. She ended up in a morgue. And then the
57:14
Calaveras went to check on her to, I guess, make
57:18
sure she was actually dead.
57:20
Alison: And how would they have known? The Twitter
57:22
network. Is that right?
57:23
Emily: How would they known that she had gotten killed in
57:25
the first place? Chris would someone.
57:26
Alison: Chris wouldn't have said anything. Gerard wouldn't
57:29
have said anything.
57:30
Emily: No. And the. The pack wasn't going to be. Hey.
57:33
Unknown. Other hunters. So was there a hunter you
57:36
have to tell everyone when another hunter dies.
57:39
That's not part of the code. And the Argents m.
57:42
Don't give a fuck about the code anyway.
57:43
Alison: Not those Argents.
57:45
Emily: Yeah, well, Peter. No. Chris might have. Yeah.
57:49
Alison: No.
57:49
Emily: Is there a hunter Twitter where you have to be
57:51
shot in the Hunger Games? Fireworks, go up every
57:54
time a hunter goes down. I don't know. So somehow
57:57
they knew and they were in Beacon Hills and. And
58:00
Chris didn't do anything about it because I guess,
58:03
I. I would imagine the different hunter clans have
58:06
treaties where they can't off each other without
58:09
warning. So maybe Chris couldn't be off. I.
58:13
Whatever. So they were in the morgue, whatever.
58:15
Checking on Kate's body an unknown time after she
58:18
was slashed and saw that she was healing from it
58:23
by seeing that she was. She was growing claws. And
58:28
then they. They switched out her body with a
58:31
different body. Where they had another dead woman.
58:34
Alison: I don't know.
58:36
Emily: And. And then I guess the coroner never looked at
58:40
the body again to be. This isn't the same body.
58:43
This is someone else. And then they just took her.
58:47
They just took her away and did nothing with. So,
58:53
who knows? So she healed enough in the dirty
58:56
bathroom where the pack was being held in the
59:00
present day. Because, you know, the code is that
59:03
hunters are supposed to take their own life if
59:06
they get bitten. Bitten, not scrap, but bitten by
59:09
a, werewolf before they change. And this is what
59:11
we saw from Victoria Argent in season two, right?
59:15
Two.
59:16
Alison: Yeah.
59:17
Emily: that she had to kill herself after she got bitten
59:20
by Derek.
59:22
Alison: Right?
59:23
Emily: Yeah, Derek. For some reason, like Scott. No,
59:25
Derek. that she had to do it because that's like
59:28
Hunter Cove, which is garbage. It's not worse to
59:31
be a werewolf. No, they're just racist. but Kate
59:36
didn't. Because. Why would she. That's not her
59:37
style.
59:38
Alison: Yeah, Kate doesn't believe in the code. She's
59:39
fine.
59:41
Emily: Any code other than self preservation. So, she
59:44
killed everyone to escape and has been somewhere.
59:49
I'm guessing the church.
59:51
Alison: She's been vaguely around since then.
59:54
Emily: So. So how long ago was this? We're gonna say a
59:57
year since she died. Roughly. Yeah, about a year.
1:00:01
Alison: About a year.
1:00:01
Emily: Just vibing in an underground church on top of an
1:00:06
Aztec temple?
1:00:07
Alison: Yes, or.
1:00:08
Emily: It says the church was built over the ruins, but
1:00:10
they're clearly underground. So are there they in
1:00:12
the ruins of an Aztec temple? It doesn't matter.
1:00:15
Alison: They're in the ruins. So none of that happened?
1:00:18
None of it.
1:00:19
Emily: None of that happened. That's all Retconned.
1:00:21
Alison: No, it's all fucking Retcon. A guide. And so they
1:00:25
have this conversation so much. They have this
1:00:27
conversation in the car. They're still talking
1:00:28
about it. it's. Well, is she a werewolf? And so
1:00:31
Scott pulls Derek. It's Scott, I think, that pulls
1:00:34
Derek out of his own mouth. Sometimes the shape
1:00:37
you take reflects the person that you are.
1:00:39
Emily: Yeah.
1:00:40
Alison: And I really appreciate that. It's Lydia who goes,
1:00:42
what kind of shape is sociopathic bitch?
1:00:45
Emily: She's not wrong.
1:00:46
Alison: And she's not wrong. Especially because the last
1:00:50
time someone close to her got bitten, it was
1:00:53
Jackson who turned into a snake.
1:00:55
Emily: Snakey. Which made sense.
1:00:58
Alison: It did. It. It did. It was just a whole. It was a
1:01:00
whole thing.
1:01:01
Emily: And they turn Kate into a, jaguar because they
1:01:04
have this church over the temple that was home to
1:01:07
a, people who were a race of shapeshifters called
1:01:09
jaguars. Then why not be it that she became a
1:01:14
jaguar? Because she was buried in the runes and
1:01:16
the ancient magic made her a jaguar. Not. Not
1:01:19
because you heal from the. Than the depth.
1:01:24
Alison: Well, yeah. So, okay, so Lydia calls her a
1:01:28
sociopathic, and then immediately the jeep
1:01:31
fritzes. Yes.
1:01:32
Emily: Something hits the jeep.
1:01:33
Alison: Something hits the G. But it's. And my immediate
1:01:36
gut reaction was, oh, she heard you, Lydia.
1:01:38
Emily: Oh.
1:01:41
Alison: And I don't know what happened here, but my note
1:01:44
says, God, Stiles, can you keep Derek's name out
1:01:47
of your mouth for five fucking minutes, please?
1:01:49
Emily: Yes. Oh, it's because Stiles is. You gotta go.
1:01:53
Keep. Keep going. Cause they have Braden on the
1:01:55
motorcycle. You and. You and Braden go. And
1:01:57
Scott's. I don't wanna go without you. And Stiles
1:01:59
is. Someone needs to find Derek.
1:02:01
Alison: Oh, yeah. Because it's.
1:02:02
Emily: He's the one to be like, we gotta get Derek.
1:02:04
Alison: We gotta get Derek because he sends Scott and Kira
1:02:06
away. Or Scott away with Brayden to go get Derek.
1:02:08
Emily: Yeah. So Scott goes off with Braden on the
1:02:10
motorcycle, and the three of them
1:02:12
Alison: and he and Kira share a very cute, soft hug.
1:02:15
Emily: They do. She holds on long enough that Scott's. I.
1:02:18
I gotta go, Dave. I gotta go.
1:02:20
Alison: And Braden is losing patience. Correct.
1:02:23
Emily: She does not have time. How come she didn't turn
1:02:25
into a. Wear something with the depth.
1:02:27
Alison: Yeah.
1:02:27
Emily: Of the scratch in her throat.
1:02:29
Alison: Because the scratch in her throat. You saying the
1:02:30
Deucalion is a less powerful Alpha than your hail?
1:02:33
Are you kidding?
1:02:34
Emily: She almost lost her goddamn head to some claws.
1:02:37
Alison: Yeah.
1:02:38
Emily: Do you think she is. That she doesn't have special
1:02:40
powers from having her throat sliced?
1:02:41
Alison: I mean, I would. Especially hunting for Kate.
1:02:44
Arjun. I'D be pissed.
1:02:45
Emily: Yeah, I would be too. I think she deserves
1:02:47
something special.
1:02:47
Alison: She. She does. And she gets something special, but
1:02:49
a different something special.
1:02:51
Emily: Not in my house.
1:02:53
Alison: So anyway, Malia, because she's very good and very
1:02:57
special. Fine. Is poking around the car and goes,
1:02:59
styles, I think I found. You know, we didn't hit
1:03:01
it. It hit us. And she pulls this giant fucking
1:03:04
claw out of the G. Yes. Okay, guys.
1:03:10
Emily: Yep. Okay. Whatever that was.
1:03:12
Alison: Sounds.
1:03:13
Emily: So we. We now have two splits. We have Scott and
1:03:17
Braden going off to La Inglesia. And then the pack
1:03:21
at the Jeep trying to figure out what the fuck
1:03:23
happened. And then maybe what is lurking in the
1:03:26
distance. So should we stay at the Jeep first?
1:03:30
Alison: Yeah, we'll stay at the Jeep.
1:03:32
Emily: So Stiles is not going to abandon his baby, which
1:03:34
Malia does not understand, but that makes sense
1:03:37
because she is feral.
1:03:38
Alison: You hear me? I will never abandon this Jeep.
1:03:41
Never.
1:03:42
Emily: That's his BAE number one. Derek is BAE number
1:03:44
two.
1:03:45
Alison: And Derek heard that from his little tomb and
1:03:47
swore to always protect the jeep.
1:03:50
Emily: And he does.
1:03:50
Alison: And he does.
1:03:51
Emily: Because he has to pass it on to their son.
1:03:53
Alison: Real question. Did Stiles learn car maintenance
1:03:56
from Derek or did Derek learn it from Stiles?
1:03:59
Emily: Derek's older by three years. Which we will die
1:04:03
on. Clearly Stiles does not know that much
1:04:06
Alison: car maintenance because he's still enough and
1:04:09
Derek knows enough to open a mechanic shop.
1:04:12
Emily: So I, think Stiles learns it from Derek because
1:04:16
he's a few steps behind in this scene. He's
1:04:19
working at it. But I think he gets better as he
1:04:23
gets older and spends more time with Derek.
1:04:25
Alison: Yeah. Love this for them.
1:04:27
Emily: I love this for them. So Malia's. Babe, you gotta
1:04:30
work faster because something is out there with
1:04:32
us. Because Kira.
1:04:34
Alison: Because Malia can hear things with her good ears.
1:04:37
Emily: With her good ears. Unlike hard of hearing Buck,
1:04:40
Kira uses her sword as a flashlight somehow.
1:04:44
Alison: Congratulations.
1:04:45
Emily: Magic flashlight sword. Why not just use the glow
1:04:48
stick nunchucks. Where did they go?
1:04:49
Alison: That's right. Kira.
1:04:51
Emily: And there a creature that I could not see because
1:04:55
there was some light in my house when I watched
1:04:58
this episode. So I couldn't see shit.
1:05:00
Alison: No, you see something moving in the background,
1:05:02
but that's really it.
1:05:04
Emily: Let me tell you how much of the scene in the
1:05:06
church crypts I could not see.
1:05:08
Alison: I could not see. I love the Stidia sass again.
1:05:11
We're being attacked by yet another razor clawed
1:05:13
monster.
1:05:15
Emily: She's right, though.
1:05:15
Alison: She's correct.
1:05:17
Emily: Yeah. Malia is just off a shot, running out into
1:05:19
the desert. Because that's what she does.
1:05:22
Alison: And Kira chases after her because. You should have
1:05:24
kissed your girlfriend.
1:05:25
Emily: You should have kissed your girlfriend. I'm into
1:05:27
the two of them. I'm fine with that. I'd feel bad
1:05:28
for Scott. Cause, you know, he seems someone who
1:05:32
really wants a partner. Yeah, I'm kind of in a
1:05:35
Lydia on her own vibe because she's a strong,
1:05:37
independent, take no shit girl. And I could live
1:05:41
with her on her own for a little while. Just
1:05:43
learning her powers and not dealing with partner.
1:05:47
Was she. I know, but give it. Give it some time.
1:05:50
Just get your banshee shit under control. But
1:05:52
yeah, they. They rush off and Malia gets a little
1:05:57
slicey slice in her side from this unseen
1:06:00
creature.
1:06:00
Alison: Ouch.
1:06:01
Emily: Ouchies. And when she gets back, Stiles is. Do not
1:06:04
run off again. I thought you were fleeing. I
1:06:07
thought you were just leaving us behind. Cause you
1:06:09
kind of said that that's what you were gonna do.
1:06:11
But Malia's. I'm not. I'm not gonna leave you. I
1:06:14
would never leave you, Stiles. Now, I would leave
1:06:16
Kira and Lydia behind, no problem. I'd leave them.
1:06:20
But I wouldn't leave you. Which is progress.
1:06:23
Alison: It's progress.
1:06:24
Emily: It's progress. And it's definitely the kind of
1:06:27
shit that I love from Malia.
1:06:28
Alison: Yes, Correct. I love this shit from Malia.
1:06:31
Emily: So she's, also the thing that cut me. It smelled
1:06:35
actual Big D. Death. Yikes. So we also have the
1:06:42
dynamic duo arriving at this church grounds. And
1:06:47
we get there a little bit of history that this
1:06:49
church was built over the ruins of an Aztec
1:06:51
temple. I have no idea if this location and is
1:06:56
correct. Aztec here in this part of Mexico?
1:06:59
Couldn't tell. You don't know if they did their
1:07:02
research because there are lots of different
1:07:05
cultures and societies across.
1:07:07
Alison: Considering they don't tell us where in Mexico
1:07:09
they are.
1:07:10
Emily: I know. How far do they actually travel? I have no
1:07:13
idea. But. So it was the home of the nag. What do
1:07:17
they say? Nagual. I think. I think so. Yeah. and
1:07:21
Scott, I know who they are. A race of
1:07:23
shapeshifters. Why do you know that? That's a
1:07:25
styles knowledge. Not you. But anyway. Brandon's.
1:07:31
Those were weird. Jaguars. Okay. Great new
1:07:36
creatures. And Braden tells him that she would
1:07:40
kill anyone if the money was good. Which I
1:07:42
appreciate. Because, you know, she's gotta live.
1:07:46
And she is a mercenary or bounty hunter.
1:07:49
Mercenary.
1:07:49
Alison: I'm going with mercenary. As she says. As she says
1:07:52
in a few episodes, Girls gotta eat.
1:07:54
Emily: Girls gotta eat. She does that's her. Her life.
1:07:59
But then they have this little conversation about
1:08:00
Kira isn't his girlfriend, which is why they
1:08:04
didn't kiss when they parted. Oh, buddy. I mean,
1:08:07
come on.
1:08:08
Alison: Because Kira is attached.
1:08:10
Emily: Kira's very attached. And I think you are too, my
1:08:13
friend.
1:08:13
Alison: And according to the Internet, the Aztec the
1:08:17
dominated northern Mexico at the time of the
1:08:20
Spanish conquest in the early 16th century.
1:08:22
Emily: okay, so I guess that makes sense that they
1:08:24
wouldn't be deep into Mexico.
1:08:27
Alison: I don't know how far south is their this territory
1:08:31
goes or how. Yeah. How far south it starts. But it
1:08:33
does say northern Mexico. So we're going to hand
1:08:35
wave it. It's approximate.
1:08:38
Emily: Okay, okay, we'll. We'll give it a pass.
1:08:41
Alison: We'll give it a pass.
1:08:42
Emily: I just feel like they picked Aztec because
1:08:44
everyone knows that word.
1:08:45
Alison: Yeah, for sure. For sure. They did.
1:08:48
Emily: And they're both. Oh, there's something non human
1:08:50
in here with us.
1:08:51
Alison: And so Scott, doing exactly what Scott always
1:08:55
does, puts Braden behind him and
1:08:57
Emily: roars
1:08:59
Alison: m. Protect your friend.
1:09:02
Emily: He does. He does. Protect. Attack.
1:09:05
Alison: Protect, attack. Eat a snack.
1:09:07
Emily: Protect.
1:09:07
Alison: Attack.
1:09:08
Emily: And I, We can't see anything. Oh, no, my note. My
1:09:12
note was. It's a very cobwebby and gross. Which
1:09:15
was, This has no bearing on the timeframe of the
1:09:19
recording of. Well, it bears on the timeframe of
1:09:22
recording, but when this actually airs, it won't
1:09:24
matter. But I watched this right after having
1:09:27
cleaned out the garage, which was full of cobwebs,
1:09:29
Nick. So I was. Oh, I felt that today. Yeah, that
1:09:32
was. I'd had that in my hair. It was gross.
1:09:34
Alison: Yuck.
1:09:35
Emily: But my note was bone. Dot, dot, dot. Creature.
1:09:38
Alison: Bone creature.
1:09:39
Emily: What is. What are we. What am I looking at? Am I
1:09:41
supposed to be able to see anything because
1:09:43
there's light in the house and I can't see.
1:09:46
Alison: I think it, I think you scared everything.
1:09:48
Emily: Which is fair, I hope. His little roar gave.
1:09:52
Derek. Oh, help is here.
1:09:54
Alison: Help is here.
1:09:55
Emily: Because when they. Anyway. Because his hand is.
1:09:57
Anyway. So it. It gets scared off. But is there a
1:10:01
cave in that reveals the seal? Rock shift. Right?
1:10:04
Alison: Secret tunnel. Secret tunnel. I have no idea.
1:10:08
Something happens. Something falls, Something
1:10:10
comes up. I think. I think it's a rock. A slide.
1:10:13
But I have, no freaking clue. But they've unlocked
1:10:16
the tunnel.
1:10:17
Emily: But yes, the roaring reveals the seal that Kate
1:10:21
Argent was standing in front of when we saw her.
1:10:25
And not a flashback. But, Oh, Kate's alive and
1:10:27
she's in front of this weird seal thing. And
1:10:30
Braden is the nagual Nagualo. I can't remember how
1:10:33
they pronounced it.
1:10:35
Alison: I would imagine it's Nahual.
1:10:36
Emily: Nahual. Jaguar God. And Derek's behind that, and
1:10:40
they gotta get him. So Scott just straight punches
1:10:42
through it. I would've thought there would have
1:10:43
been some magical protections to be. You can't do
1:10:46
that.
1:10:47
Alison: Yeah. But Scott just rips it apart.
1:10:50
Emily: And then a little hand reaches through,
1:10:52
Alison: and Scott and Braden are just staring at Derek
1:10:55
like, ah. what's happening?
1:10:57
Emily: Yep.
1:10:57
Alison: So they're limping out. They're carrying Derek
1:11:01
kind of out of the. Of the thing. And it turns out
1:11:04
that Scott or that Stiles has fixed the Jeep
1:11:06
because it comes tearing into the parking lot at
1:11:09
the Aztec Temple.
1:11:11
Emily: This perfect parking lot. Pay a, quick parking
1:11:14
fee.
1:11:14
Alison: Yeah. And so Stiles. It's Stiles that leaps out of
1:11:19
the Jeep. He leaps out of the Jeep and he runs to
1:11:23
Scott and for. And then the girls all show up
1:11:27
later, and we spend a good five or six seconds on
1:11:32
Stiles. Big shocked face.
1:11:34
Emily: Yeah.
1:11:35
Alison: Is that because I think it's Malia who goes, is
1:11:38
that Derek?
1:11:39
Emily: Yeah.
1:11:39
Alison: Because Malia doesn't know who the fuck Derek Hale
1:11:42
is. She's never. I don't think they've ever met. I
1:11:44
don't think it matters.
1:11:45
Emily: Yeah, I don't think so. It's hard to tell who
1:11:49
knows who at any given point.
1:11:50
Alison: Yeah. Basically, Scott and Stiles know Derek.
1:11:53
Lydia knows Derek, but hasn't actually talked to
1:11:56
him for a while. It's been a season or two, and I
1:11:59
don't know if Kira or. I think the closest Kira
1:12:02
and Derek really ever got was that one time in the
1:12:06
parking lot m. With the electricity.
1:12:10
Emily: Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:12:10
Alison: The electricity at the hospital with the leather
1:12:13
jacket as Kira was inducted into the hail pack.
1:12:16
Emily: Yes.
1:12:16
Alison: so Malia's never met him. It's a whole thing. But
1:12:19
none of them know if it's Derek. Except for
1:12:22
Stiles. Stiles recognizes Derek as it is because
1:12:29
the camera turns to, you know, to Scott and
1:12:32
Braden, and they are carrying a very clearly de.
1:12:36
Aged Derek.
1:12:39
Emily: He is maybe 16.
1:12:41
Alison: Maybe 16. Yeah.
1:12:43
Emily: Why does Stiles know what he looks at 16?
1:12:45
Alison: Why does Stiles. Why can Stiles recognize him?
1:12:48
Emily: Yeah, why?
1:12:49
Alison: How. How. How does Stiles recognize baby Derek?
1:12:53
Emily: I don't know. I don't understand anything.
1:12:57
Alison: Is it just. Is it the soulmate identifying marks?
1:13:00
Is it aura? Is it the red string? Is it.
1:13:04
Emily: It has to be red string. It's just the tingles he
1:13:06
gets around Derek.
1:13:07
Alison: The Derek tingles?
1:13:08
Emily: The Derek tingle. Yeah, he's Just. Oh, that one's
1:13:10
mine.
1:13:11
Alison: I think Scott. Honestly, even if Scott, I. Because
1:13:14
I don't really know. Because I don't think Braden
1:13:15
ne. Because Braden's already saved Eric once
1:13:17
before. So Braden knows the face she's looking
1:13:20
for.
1:13:20
Emily: Yeah. Stiles just knows the soul and knows
1:13:25
Alison: what Derek looks like. I don't know if Scott knows
1:13:26
what baby Derek looks. I think Scott would have
1:13:28
pulled anybody out of that tomb. If there was a
1:13:30
person reaching out for him. Scott would be. Yes,
1:13:32
of course I don't know who you are, but come on
1:13:33
down with me.
1:13:34
Emily: Yeah, totally.
1:13:35
Alison: So whether or not Scott recognizes Derek is a
1:13:37
different problem. But how does Stiles recognize
1:13:39
him? How does it. How it get. Get Derek out of
1:13:42
your mouth? Stiles? I don't understand. I,
1:13:45
Emily: I don't know, man.
1:13:47
Alison: Not queer. Why queer shaped if not soulmates? If
1:13:52
not soulmates, why soulmate shaped?
1:13:54
Emily: Why red string?
1:13:56
Alison: I don't understand.
1:13:57
Emily: I don't know. Because this show hates me. Sorry.
1:14:02
It is. Yes. The show hates everybody. I don't
1:14:05
understand.
1:14:05
Alison: It hates us all. It hates us all. I can't even
1:14:09
begin to understand what's happening.
1:14:11
Emily: we've seen this Derek before because we saw him
1:14:14
young with Paige. So it's the same actor. We know.
1:14:17
They don't know. They didn't see him.
1:14:20
Alison: No. The closest I can get is if at one point they
1:14:26
were going back and looking through yearbooks for
1:14:29
something that may have been a thing. But you
1:14:33
know, we establish in the first season that
1:14:35
Derek's werewolf eyes fuck with the camera from
1:14:39
his mugtail police station. maybe Cora and Peter
1:14:43
had old photos. But even that's a stretch. That's
1:14:46
a fucking stretch.
1:14:47
Emily: Yeah.
1:14:48
Alison: I don't know. Does because we established in the
1:14:50
pilot that Stiles knows who Derek is. He's only a
1:14:55
few years older than us, so maybe Stiles knew him
1:15:00
from getting the day. I don't know. I don't know.
1:15:04
I don't understand. We're hand waving it. We're
1:15:06
just making it go away. It's fine. But I have so
1:15:09
many questions. I hate it sucks and I hate it.
1:15:14
Emily: It sucks and I hate it. Yeah.
1:15:17
Alison: Yeah. So congratulations. Baby Derek is back. Hi,
1:15:20
Baby Derek.
1:15:21
Emily: Baby Derek is back. Baby. Yeah.
1:15:24
Alison: It's a fucking mess of an episode
1:15:28
Emily: is. Yeah, it's a. It's a mess and it doesn't feel
1:15:32
a. A premiere. Although the. The premiere part is
1:15:36
the end. The premiere part is. Surprise. Here's
1:15:38
baby Derek.
1:15:39
Alison: Yeah.
1:15:40
Emily: Now what do we do with him? But the rest is. It's
1:15:44
Such an assault of questions, but not questions
1:15:47
you want to ask. The questions are, why does Aria
1:15:52
know or not know these things? How. How could. Why
1:15:56
does Scott make these intuitive or non intuitive
1:15:58
leaps? Well, because they have to get to the next
1:16:01
plot point. It's just, it's. It's messy. And, so
1:16:06
sorry to the writer. Clearly you had to get from A
1:16:09
to B quickly. And you couldn't with how things
1:16:15
were set up before because they brought back Kate
1:16:17
and that created a fuck of a lot of problems.
1:16:20
Alison: Yeah, it did.
1:16:21
Emily: How did they know she was dead? Because you've
1:16:24
never set up, a Hunter network. Because they
1:16:27
don't. They don't hang out.
1:16:28
Alison: I don't understand. I don't understand. Nothing
1:16:30
about this makes sense. Nothing.
1:16:31
Emily: It doesn't. And you're better at keeping track of
1:16:35
some of the smaller details than I am if you can't
1:16:37
remember.
1:16:38
Alison: No, none that Hunters would have talked
1:16:40
Emily: to each other literally.
1:16:41
Alison: None of this makes sense. None of it doesn't. It's
1:16:44
just. They just. They needed a new villain and
1:16:46
they just glued three old villains together and
1:16:49
put them in a trench coat and shove them out on
1:16:51
the doorstep.
1:16:52
Emily: Yeah. And, you know, we have some, some new, I
1:16:56
don't know, sub 2 villains in the bone thing and
1:17:00
whatever scratched Malia. But we don't know what
1:17:02
they are yet.
1:17:03
Alison: Not yet. No.
1:17:05
Emily: So they're. They're there, but are they dangerous
1:17:09
yet? Oh, we don't know.
1:17:11
Alison: It doesn't. Nothing about this makes sense.
1:17:14
Nothing. And I regret to inform you it does not
1:17:16
get better.
1:17:17
Emily: It doesn't get better. And I forget how long baby
1:17:19
Derek stays around. I feel it's not that long.
1:17:21
Alison: It's not that long. It's, an episode. Maybe an
1:17:24
episode or two. Maybe.
1:17:25
Emily: Which again, is. Okay. Keep him or make it matter,
1:17:29
bitch.
1:17:29
Alison: Yeah. And literally. And we're gonna talk about
1:17:34
season, season long spoilers. So if you have, if
1:17:36
you're, if you're. If this is important to you,
1:17:38
skip forward a couple minutes because I don't
1:17:40
think it's important to you, Emily. Right.
1:17:42
Emily: Oh, spoilers for the season. No, no.
1:17:45
Alison: So spoil ahead. So, from what I remember, Kate
1:17:48
does weird Aztec magic on. On Derek. Right.
1:17:53
Basically de ages him for reasons. And then it
1:17:56
starts to suck away at his little werewolf powers,
1:18:00
like, bit by bit by bit. And so, like, by the end
1:18:02
of the season, he's like, fucking mortal so that
1:18:05
he can, like, transform into. He's evolving into
1:18:08
his, like, full wolf. Whatever. literally, I think
1:18:11
the entire. I think the real you Know the capital
1:18:15
R. Real reason is so that he can evolve into his
1:18:18
full, like full shift wolf, like his mama. the
1:18:21
only reason that matters is so that he can die
1:18:25
staring at the love of his life. Style Stoneski.
1:18:28
They prep for this for like 11 fucking episodes.
1:18:31
And I don't understand why.
1:18:33
Emily: Okay, another question. Because obviously I do not
1:18:37
remember why the fuck is she doing this? Like, why
1:18:41
does Kate Argent care if Derek Hale can become a
1:18:45
full wolf?
1:18:47
Alison: So I just. To fuck with him. I think it. I think
1:18:52
they deal with it next episode. Something about
1:18:55
him, like her wanting to de age him to the point
1:18:58
where he still trusted her.
1:19:01
Emily: But yeah, I get that she's a rapist for real.
1:19:04
Alison: And a pedophile. After. After that, I really lose
1:19:10
the plot.
1:19:11
Emily: Okay, great. I. Again, it's been 11 fucking years
1:19:15
since this aired and I don't think I ever
1:19:17
rewatched season four. Like one through three I
1:19:19
rewatched.
1:19:19
Alison: But season four, I saw, I think once, and it would
1:19:23
have been 20, 21, I think was the last time I
1:19:27
rewatched this. I don't remember shit.
1:19:30
Emily: I can see her coming back to life and then trying
1:19:33
to kill him.
1:19:34
Alison: Oh, for sure.
1:19:35
Emily: As the one that got away. Kill Scott or to the
1:19:40
Fall. Not a folia. Duh. But she's. She's
1:19:43
psychotic. I know. these words get thrown around
1:19:46
in true crime podcasts. The killer was psychotic
1:19:48
of Kate Argent, actually is correct.
1:19:49
Alison: She is a true psychopath. She is, yeah.
1:19:52
Emily: Psychopath, yes. She murdered a whole family of,
1:19:56
including children by lighting a house on fire and
1:19:59
did it gleefully. And she assaulted a teenage boy
1:20:04
and seduced him.
1:20:06
Alison: On purpose?
1:20:06
Emily: Yeah, on purpose. And. And now she comes back from
1:20:10
the dead and turns a grown man into a six month
1:20:14
old boy.
1:20:15
Alison: I don't. For what I feel. What are we doing? I
1:20:18
feel they attempt to give it a reason, but I think
1:20:22
they really lose the plot after an episode.
1:20:25
Emily: And I also feel maybe. Do the writers not see. Ew.
1:20:29
Ew, brother.
1:20:33
Alison: I don't. I don't understand. I don't get. I don't
1:20:34
understand anything. I don't understand a damn
1:20:37
thing.
1:20:37
Emily: I,
1:20:38
Alison: I have so many questions. It just doesn't make,
1:20:40
any sense at all. And I'm just. At this point, I'm
1:20:43
here for the ride because I love Kate Argent.
1:20:45
Emily: Complicated characters are great. Right? We don't.
1:20:48
Alison: I'm not excusing her. I don't agree with her, but
1:20:51
I find her interesting. I'm glad she's back, but
1:20:54
like, it could have been written a lot better. But
1:20:56
I also really love the werejaguar makeup. I think
1:20:58
it's awesome.
1:21:00
Emily: It's weird that it's blue row, right?
1:21:02
Alison: It's kind of blue purple.
1:21:04
Emily: Yeah.
1:21:05
Alison: Yeah. But we do get several instances of Kate
1:21:08
shooting random men and covered in blood, and I'm
1:21:11
just here for that.
1:21:12
Emily: Yeah.
1:21:13
Alison: I support you and your wrongs.
1:21:15
Emily: Your wrongs. Yeah, totally.
1:21:18
Alison: But, yeah, no, this. I have so many questions
1:21:21
about the writing. I have so many questions.
1:21:24
Still.
1:21:25
Emily: Still. Yeah, I just, Where are the writers? Come
1:21:29
talk to us. I know you won't because we're a
1:21:32
little teeny tiny podcast and whatever, but
1:21:35
Alison: none of us have careers to think about. But I have
1:21:37
so many questions. I want to pick your brain
1:21:39
forever.
1:21:40
Emily: So I. I just. I really would love. We have nothing
1:21:44
to offer a writer, but I would love to talk to
1:21:45
them to be like, what hap. What are you doing?
1:21:47
Why? What's the network note?
1:21:50
Alison: What's the network note? What got cut?
1:21:52
Emily: Yes. What got cut?
1:21:53
Alison: What got cut? Where did you want to take this?
1:21:55
Where was it supposed to go?
1:21:58
Emily: What's on the wall? What's on the wall to be.
1:22:00
Here's the progression of the plot line. And then
1:22:02
what happened?
1:22:04
Alison: Yeah. Where? I. I'm desperate. I'm desperate to
1:22:07
know your thoughts.
1:22:09
Emily: Yeah. Understand.
1:22:11
Alison: Well, until next time.
1:22:14
Emily: So, that's the premiere of season four.
1:22:19
Alison: God, I sure hope you find our podcast more
1:22:22
entertaining than the TV show, considering it was
1:22:24
twice as long.
1:22:26
Emily: That's true. That's what happens around here. and
1:22:31
we're not gonna change, frankly.
1:22:32
Alison: We're professional yappers. This is our job.
1:22:34
Emily: That's true. Professional yapper is going on my
1:22:37
resume. Can't be helped. So sorry. Yeah, so I
1:22:42
guess we'll just wrap it up because, you know,
1:22:44
there's lots of episodes. Actually, there's not
1:22:46
that many episodes to get through this time, which
1:22:47
is kind of nice. But, yeah, we will. You know, we
1:22:51
got got episodes to get through. We're gonna have
1:22:53
lots to talk about in this season because a lot
1:22:57
happens,
1:22:58
Alison: and none of it makes any sense.
1:23:00
Emily: None of it makes any sense. But, yeah. So thank
1:23:02
you for listening. You can find us on, the
1:23:05
Internet at fandomonthere Rocks and Pack Dynamics
1:23:10
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1:23:14
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