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Huddle up | Jaguars GM Search Charges On, Bucky Weighs in on Prospects · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought you by the Fields Total
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Speaker 1: Group Jackuar. Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst and
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Speaker 1: former Jaguar Bucky Brooks and Senior reporter JP Shatterick bring
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Speaker 1: you the latest go on your Jacksonville Jackuars.
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Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts.
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Speaker 3: Right now and welcome in Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 3: Studios inside the Busy Miller Electric Center.
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Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks normally in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 3: He is on location today in New Orleans, Louisiana, ahead
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Speaker 3: of the HBCU Legacy Bowl coming up this Saturday.
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Speaker 2: Bucky House, New Orleans.
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Speaker 4: Uh NOLA is great the game band Mardi Gras while
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Speaker 4: also hosting the HBCU Legacy Bowl. So it's a lot
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Speaker 4: of fun, a lot of festive people running around, a
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Speaker 4: lot of festevings about to take.
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Speaker 2: Plus, are you like going to parades and stuff at night?
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Speaker 3: What do you?
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Speaker 2: What's the deal?
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Speaker 5: Not yet, but I'm getting ready for it.
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Speaker 6: I want to make sure that I have enough energy
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Speaker 6: left to sample some king Cake and maybe take in
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Speaker 6: some of the activities a little later.
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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you mean.
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Speaker 7: Bucky's big Bourbon Street. Yeah yeah, probably late nights, all right.
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Speaker 5: I mean.
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Speaker 3: In Rome, the Romans, there's a thin line between Saturday
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Speaker 3: night and Sunday morning.
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Speaker 2: Okay, get ready.
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Speaker 7: I mean you've got some bourbon streets.
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Speaker 2: I might have one or two. You sold one the
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Speaker 2: other day of the ozone. You said you woke up
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Speaker 2: under a buick.
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Speaker 8: And I said, if you're not careful, you you potentially
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Speaker 8: can wake up.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like there's a story.
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Speaker 7: Thereat that you mentioned.
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Speaker 6: Means that you absolutely have had a story. I don't
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Speaker 6: even know if they make city.
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Speaker 7: I've had some. I've had some New Orleans moments that
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Speaker 7: I'm not proud of.
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Speaker 2: I think we all have when in Rome. Like you said, Bucky,
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Speaker 2: I'm plenty to get to you today.
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Speaker 3: Of course, GM interviews, the final interviews in person are
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Speaker 3: underway as we speak. Two on Wednesday on the schedule,
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Speaker 3: two on Thursday on the schedule, one on Friday, four
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Speaker 3: hour windows for each of the interviews, and hopefully decision
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Speaker 3: by Friday.
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Speaker 2: Have an offer and maybe a GM in place by
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Speaker 2: the weekend. That's the feel here.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would expect, you know, the process to go
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Speaker 8: smoothly this week and then quickly as the weekends. I'm
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Speaker 8: sure they have in mind. I would guess by Thursday night,
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Speaker 8: you know, I would guess they have in mind who
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Speaker 8: they like out of those four candidates, and they have
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Speaker 8: one more to do on that Friday. And I don't
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Speaker 8: think the process will take very long quick I mean,
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Speaker 8: but this from your experience in sort of being.
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Speaker 7: Around these.
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Speaker 8: How long does it take in this process? Okay, you're
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Speaker 8: putting your heads together, and then is it realistic to
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Speaker 8: have an interview Friday morning and then sort of nailing
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Speaker 8: this thing by Friday afternoon? Can it get done that fast?
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Speaker 6: I think you can, because I think you've already had
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Speaker 6: a preliminary So when you go in, you're asking very
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Speaker 6: specific questions to the candidates, and you're trying to see
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Speaker 6: if their vision for building a team matches the vision
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Speaker 6: of the head coach and even Tony.
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Speaker 5: Bacelli's vision as the executive vice president.
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Speaker 6: You want to make sure that everyone is in lockstep
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Speaker 6: and the team building process, they're in lockstep when it
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Speaker 6: comes to the type of players that you want on
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Speaker 6: the roster, and then you want to explain you want
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Speaker 6: them to explain their procedures in terms of how do
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Speaker 6: you get to selecting the right guys?
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Speaker 5: How do you put it all together?
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Speaker 6: What do we do if we have disagreements in terms
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Speaker 6: of this player and that player. You're trying to if
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Speaker 6: the guy that you're bringing in, if they can play
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Speaker 6: nice in the sandbox when we have these dec agreements
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Speaker 6: that eventually happened.
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Speaker 3: All right, guys, let's go through the five finalists for
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Speaker 3: the Jaguars GM job, and let's start.
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Speaker 2: In alphabetical order. That seems like a fair way to
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Speaker 2: go about it.
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Speaker 3: Ian Cunningham Bear's assistant general managers with the Ravens from
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Speaker 3: eight to sixteen, Eagles seventeen to twenty one.
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Speaker 2: Now with Chicago. We've seen his name over the last
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Speaker 2: few weeks. Bucky, what stands out? What do you know
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Speaker 2: about Ian Cunningham?
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Speaker 5: Well, he does come.
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Speaker 6: Where regarded does a lot of people that have been
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Speaker 6: buzzing about him for a while.
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Speaker 5: I would say he's out. Look, all these guys gonna
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Speaker 5: be high i Q football people.
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Speaker 6: But I would say that his communications, his pedigree, all
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Speaker 6: those things stand out. He's been up for such a
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Speaker 6: popular candidate, despite being in a couple of days Testy
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Speaker 6: in Chicago, respectively.
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Speaker 5: I think up from him he is.
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Speaker 6: How different are his team building news from Ryan Poles?
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Speaker 6: What would he look at when it comes to this
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Speaker 6: Jaguars roster and identify the strengths and the weaknesses of
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Speaker 6: the roster, and what would he do in the immediacy
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Speaker 6: to get this team up and going. I think you're
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Speaker 6: looking at that will also making sure that his personality
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Speaker 6: messages with those of the other leaders of the organization.
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Speaker 8: All Right, I have a question for Bucky the analyst here,
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Speaker 8: and look, I'm gonna be honest with you. Any of
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Speaker 8: the five I don't I don't know enough about the
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Speaker 8: five two sit here and say which one I like better?
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Speaker 8: And you know, I guess I would lean towards the
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Speaker 8: question I get from fans.
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Speaker 7: How do they know? Bucky?
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Speaker 8: I mean, you the in Cunningham the Bears haven't been great.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 8: I always believe that owners usually spend way too much
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Speaker 8: time with coaches and gms who come from these, you know,
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Speaker 8: high success organizations, because that doesn't always translate. But you
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Speaker 8: got to find something right, So how are fans supposed
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Speaker 8: to know if these guys are the right guys? Do
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Speaker 8: you follow what I'm getting at? Because it's so hard
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Speaker 8: to analyze.
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Speaker 6: That understand what you're getting at, And some of the
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Speaker 6: same questions that I always have. When you look at
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Speaker 6: Ian Cunningham's resume and the teams that he's been affiliated with,
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Speaker 6: there hasn't been a lot of sustained success when it
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Speaker 6: comes to it.
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Speaker 5: So what is it about him that makes him pop?
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Speaker 6: And he'll have to dazzle in interviews in my estimation,
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Speaker 6: to convince me that he can build a winning team,
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Speaker 6: because it's one thing to deal and there is another
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Speaker 6: thing to deal in practicalities when it comes to building
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Speaker 6: the roster. Right now, he would have to be more
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Speaker 6: convincing to me that he can make the winning pops
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Speaker 6: because the resume.
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Speaker 5: Doesn't suggest that he's going to say with a lot.
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Speaker 6: Of winning when it comes to his road in building
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Speaker 6: a team continue with the Chicago Bears.
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Speaker 8: Now, I will say this, JP, I'm not when I
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Speaker 8: asked that question. I'm not saying that makes Ian kind
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Speaker 8: of am a bad candidate at all. I mean, because
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Speaker 8: everything I've heard is the same as bucket. This guy
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Speaker 8: is sharp and knows what he's doing.
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Speaker 2: I didn't.
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Speaker 7: I guess is the part of it Johnt.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a part of it. Like it has to
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Speaker 5: be a part of the thing, because.
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Speaker 6: Like ultimately, like when we talked about hiring people for roles,
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Speaker 6: you're trying to look for things that qualify them for
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Speaker 6: the next step up right, And it's easy to look
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Speaker 6: at someone that comes from a winning organization and be like, Okay,
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Speaker 6: he's ready because he's.
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Speaker 5: Been a part of helping.
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Speaker 6: A team have a love of success. But when they
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Speaker 6: haven't had success. Now you're trying to figure out what's
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Speaker 6: the magic bullet that separates him from the other guys.
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Speaker 5: It's hard.
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Speaker 6: And so that's one where if he is the choice,
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Speaker 6: you have to trust ownership and the people that interviewed
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Speaker 6: him that he was able to convey something that is
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Speaker 6: going to translate and sex that we just haven't seen teams.
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Speaker 8: That guy who's been around that success. Maybe he was
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Speaker 8: around it because the guy he was working for is
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Speaker 8: really good.
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Speaker 7: Maybe this guy just came out.
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Speaker 8: So that's the challenge I mean, and that's why so
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Speaker 8: many of these hires over time, you just don't know it's.
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Speaker 5: It's a crap shoot.
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Speaker 6: It's the same thing like when we talked about the unknowns,
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Speaker 6: Like no one knew that Brad Holmes and the Dan
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Speaker 6: Campbell combination were working Detroit.
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Speaker 5: But what you could point to with Brad Holmes, he
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Speaker 5: is part of the Rams.
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Speaker 6: The Rams are gone to a super Bowl, maybe they're
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Speaker 6: going to Super Bowls when he came off of that
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Speaker 6: and they were able to win, So now you're like, Okay, well,
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Speaker 6: at least he's seen what it looks like when is successful.
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Speaker 6: You would like to have a blueprint or a model
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Speaker 6: that you could pour from to say, hey, we can't
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Speaker 6: replicate it exactly, but certainly I understand what it.
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Speaker 5: Looks like, what it feels like to be a part
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Speaker 5: of a championship. Pedicant Championship.
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Speaker 3: Next on our list, speaking of the Rams, James Gladstone,
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Speaker 3: Director scouting in LA. Eight seasons of the Rams. You've
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Speaker 3: just mentioned the success they've had in LA. Anything stand
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Speaker 3: out about Gladstone.
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Speaker 6: Well, the thing that would naturally stand out is that
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Speaker 6: there would be a relationship and in terms of Liam
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Speaker 6: Cohen and Glass, uh, just based on the relationship that
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Speaker 6: both of those guys have with the Rams, The other thing,
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Speaker 6: when you talk about replicating the system, if Liam co
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Speaker 6: co one is very comfortable with how the rams have
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Speaker 6: gone through their process in terms of how the GM
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Speaker 6: and the head coach work together, how they established their culture.
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Speaker 6: Sometimes it's easy to bring someone from an environment that's
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Speaker 6: very familiar because you kind of understand the working relationship
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Speaker 6: and how things should look because you've you've seen it
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Speaker 6: and you want to replicate it at a different environment.
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Speaker 6: I would say this though, that you know, let's need
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Speaker 6: and Sean McVay and even Ray Farmer to a less degree,
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Speaker 6: they they've run the like that's how they've done it.
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Speaker 6: Sean McVay such a wonder boy when it comes to
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Speaker 6: not only his coaching, but it's scouting ecumen, his culture
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Speaker 6: building ability that it made the job really easy for
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Speaker 6: less Sneed. What was Gladstone's rolling at how any contribute?
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Speaker 6: Is he ready for that promotion from director of Scouting
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Speaker 6: to now being the GM. All of that has to
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Speaker 6: be talked about when it comes to the interview. How
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Speaker 6: are you going to handle this? What are the scenarios
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Speaker 6: and situations that you're prepared for. What do those answers
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Speaker 6: sound like, and how do they resonate with Tony and
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Speaker 6: Riem and everyone else.
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Speaker 5: Who's in the room.
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Speaker 6: That's what it comes down to, because he has to
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Speaker 6: talk in theories because he hasn't been in a position
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Speaker 6: of power when it comes to building a team.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Liam clearly likes the Rams culture. That doesn't mean
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Speaker 8: you have to have James Gladstone to recreate that, but
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Speaker 8: it certainly means that Gladstone has seen that, and when
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Speaker 8: they're talking about building culture, it's not like Glaston's going
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Speaker 8: to have to have a huge hurry up conversation with
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Speaker 8: Leam to get caught up on it. So I would
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Speaker 8: think that's a huge factor in his favor.
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Speaker 3: Next on our list from the Green Bay Packers, John
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Speaker 3: Eric Sullivan, the VP of player Personnel. He started in
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Speaker 3: Green Bay Bucket as a training camp intern in two
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Speaker 3: thousand and three, and he's really worked at every level
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Speaker 3: of the organization up until this point. So he's been
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Speaker 3: at it for a long time in Green Bay.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been at it for a long time. And
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna say this like he's one of my personal favorites.
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Speaker 6: I han't watched him grow up in the business. I
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Speaker 6: have a lot of respect for John Eric and also
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Speaker 6: I know hiss Dan really well. Jerry Sullivan, who also
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Speaker 6: spent time with the Jacks as didn't I think he
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Speaker 6: was down there as.
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Speaker 7: A receiver coach Jerry Slim, I love.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: So so here's what I say about John Erik and
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Speaker 6: his like ascension up the ladder in Green Bay. An
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Speaker 6: organization that I believe has similarities to the Jaguars will
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Speaker 6: help the small market field. The draft and developed plan
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Speaker 6: and approach to the Green Bay Packers have used to
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Speaker 6: me is one that you should model after because of
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Speaker 6: what Jacksonville and some of the challenges are in terms
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Speaker 6: of being a small market team. I will also say
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Speaker 6: that the success that the Packers have had in developing, identifying, developing,
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Speaker 6: and then being able to resign their players is also
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Speaker 6: something that is intriguing.
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Speaker 5: But as someone who's.
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Speaker 6: Kind of climbed up the ranks, he hasn't quite got
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Speaker 6: to the wrong of being the GM, but man, he
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Speaker 6: certainly has been well trained. He's been in one organization
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Speaker 6: the entire time, and because of my familiarity with the organization,
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Speaker 6: I understand how he was brought up in the business,
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Speaker 6: and I just kind of have a feel for how
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Speaker 6: he would go about his business if he was given
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Speaker 6: that title.
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Speaker 5: Working along with Liam and Tony and those guys.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, from a very philosophical standpoint and from a distance,
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Speaker 8: I've always loved the way the Packers do things in
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Speaker 8: the sense of, you know, just the way it went
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Speaker 8: after Jordan Love and the way they as an organization.
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Speaker 8: They historically sort of like the Steelers in a lot
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Speaker 8: of ways, have been willing to do things that maybe
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Speaker 8: the fans don't initially love or grasp, but being able
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Speaker 8: to see what the big picture is and being able
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Speaker 8: to sort of withstand some heat because some of the decisions,
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Speaker 8: you know, even back to Aaron back in the day, right,
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Speaker 8: I mean, some of their picks have been more about
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Speaker 8: the long term than the immediate, which I like.
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Speaker 7: I think.
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Speaker 8: Organizations have to think that way sometimes in order to
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Speaker 8: be successful and not always react. And the Packers usually
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Speaker 8: do things the way they feel is the right thing.
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Speaker 8: So if that's rubbed off on them, I'm in favor
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Speaker 8: of that.
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Speaker 3: And if the apple doesn't fall far from the tree,
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Speaker 3: then you know, that's fantastic.
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Speaker 6: I think, and the only reason and I'll say this,
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Speaker 6: and I know I shouldn't have favors. I should play
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Speaker 6: it down in the middle. But I do believe it's
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Speaker 6: important to have some familiarity with Jacksonville and the fact
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Speaker 6: that his dad was a Cocheted, fact that they spent
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Speaker 6: time in this market.
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Speaker 5: I think it matters.
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Speaker 6: And if you've been associated with Green Bay, everything is
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Speaker 6: about the connection between the town and the team, and
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Speaker 6: I believe the Jaguars, the town, the team should also
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Speaker 6: matter to me. Those similarities, those experiences would lead me
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Speaker 6: to believe that he would do a really good job
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Speaker 6: in their role because of the similarities and the potential
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Speaker 6: to replicate what was done in Green Bay.
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Speaker 5: I think you.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely can do it successfully in a small market like Jacksonville.
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Speaker 7: I know these guys are all football guys.
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Speaker 8: JP it wouldn't be here, But if you're Jerry Sullivan's son,
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Speaker 8: you're a You're a football guy, no doubt.
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Speaker 7: Thank you, good guy.
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Speaker 3: up with Bucky Brooks, JP, Shadwick, John Osier, and yes,
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Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks for going through the GM candidates. Two more
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Speaker 3: to get through. Ethan Wah, the JAG's interim GM at
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Speaker 3: the moment, was the assistant GM here was in San
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Speaker 3: Francisco for twelve seasons under Balkey. But he's getting an
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Speaker 3: opportunity now, Bucky, to at least have a conversation to
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Speaker 3: try to move up to the top.
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Speaker 5: And I think it's a legitimate chance to get the job.
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Speaker 6: I think if you go back to the postseason presser
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Speaker 6: after Doug was fired and shot mentioned Ethan by name
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Speaker 6: in terms of the guys that he leans on and
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Speaker 6: relies on, I think he has an inside track to
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Speaker 6: the job because there are people that are very confident
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Speaker 6: that he could do a really good job in that role.
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Speaker 6: I would say when you make a decision on Ethan,
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Speaker 6: what you're trying to decide is do you like the
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Speaker 6: process that was previously used but you just wanted to
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Speaker 6: change the people at the top. If you liked the
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Speaker 6: process and you like some of the product that was
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Speaker 6: delivered because of the process within, Ethan could be it
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Speaker 6: should be your man. But if you have an issue
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Speaker 6: with the process, that was previously used. Then it would
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Speaker 6: be harder for Ethan to sell that all over again.
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Speaker 6: And even though he can cellbrate changes and tweaks and
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Speaker 6: those things, the process is the process is the process.
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Speaker 6: I think that is where Shod has to kind of
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Speaker 6: figure out what is it that he liked, what didn't
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Speaker 6: he like about the previous regime, Doug and Trent and
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Speaker 6: how they work together, and what could be salvage while
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Speaker 6: also giving Ethan the ability to make the changes that
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Speaker 6: he sees fit. I think Ethan has an opportunity because
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Speaker 6: he knows people in the building to make a strong case.
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Speaker 5: But I think you have to.
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Speaker 6: Ask him some very pointed questions about what is different
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Speaker 6: about how you run things versus how Trent would Trent
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Speaker 6: ran things, and how can we get better results than
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Speaker 6: what we've gotten previously.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean Bucky said at the top he thinks
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Speaker 8: Ethan's legitimate candidate. I absolutely, I know he's a legitimate
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Speaker 8: candidate and he should be. I mean, he's a qualified guy,
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Speaker 8: and he's a good football guy. It's right that he's
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Speaker 8: a candidate. I wanted to ask Buck, you just talked
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Speaker 8: about the process, and obviously every question I get about
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Speaker 8: Ethan is, oh, why don't you make a clean break?
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Speaker 8: You know, he's Balky's guy, et cetera, et cetera. You've
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Speaker 8: been inside more buildings where there's communication like that than
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Speaker 8: I have. You know, yes, they work together, but they're
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Speaker 8: also different guys. We got to be fair here, right.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you got to be fair here. And you know
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Speaker 5: the thing that is hard? Right?
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Speaker 6: He comes in under Trent. He's worked a long time
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Speaker 6: on the trend. How much of his football knowledge and
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Speaker 6: plan has been shaped by what he's experienced during this
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Speaker 6: time with Trent Balk. But if you felt like that
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Speaker 6: process that they had in place for the Jaguars has
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Speaker 6: been successful based on the results of the draft or
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Speaker 6: free agency, and you want to go along with it
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Speaker 6: with someone a different voice leading it, but then that
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Speaker 6: makes Ethan a very viable candidate. If you don't like
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Speaker 6: the process and you have challenges for it, then it's
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Speaker 6: on Ethan the seal. Here's where I would tweak it,
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Speaker 6: where it went wrong. Here's how we do it a
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Speaker 6: little differently than it was done before to make it
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Speaker 6: a better team on the field and a better overall
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Speaker 6: environment within the building. I would say that even though
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Speaker 6: like the ownership may lean that way. I think he
18:24
Speaker 6: has a serious challenge in convincing everybody involved that he
18:28
Speaker 6: can make it different than the way it was before,
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Speaker 6: because what.
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Speaker 5: Changes do you make below the general manager?
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Speaker 6: Do you keep everybody in place as it was presently
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Speaker 6: constructed and just kind of running back with Ethan in
18:41
Speaker 6: an elevated role, or you like Ethan, you like the process,
18:45
Speaker 6: but maybe you want to change out some of the
18:46
Speaker 6: furniture at the lower levels.
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Speaker 5: All of those things have to be discussed when you're trying.
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Speaker 6: To figure out what would be different with Ethan Watt
18:54
Speaker 6: running the team as opposed to Trent Balky running the squad.
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Speaker 8: I guess as long as it doesn't change out that
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Speaker 8: right or furniture, I'm okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll see if your code still works. One more
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Speaker 2: to go.
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Speaker 3: Josh Williams, speaking of forty nine Ers connections, been there
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Speaker 3: for a long time, director of scouting in Football OPS
19:13
Speaker 3: fourteen seasons with the forty nine Ers there, Bucky.
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Speaker 6: Look man, it's been a winning product, right, It's been
19:19
Speaker 6: a product that reached in in recent years. Go to
19:22
Speaker 6: two Super Bowls in the last five years. We've seen
19:24
Speaker 6: a number of players that have come through there. We've
19:25
Speaker 6: seen success that they've had. He's been a part of that.
19:29
Speaker 5: That's it. How big of a part has he been
19:32
Speaker 5: in that? Like we've seen other guys come from there.
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Speaker 6: The manager from the ministoas gentlemenager for the Minnesota Vikings
19:37
Speaker 6: was a part of the San Francisco forty nine ers organization.
19:39
Speaker 5: They've had a lot of success in Minnesota.
19:41
Speaker 6: He's worked hand in hand with Kevin O'Connell, which is
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Speaker 6: what you want. Kevin O'Connell's relationship potentially with Liam Cohen
19:48
Speaker 6: could play a role in some of that San Francisco
19:51
Speaker 6: field that maybe you want. Down in Jacksonville, a lot
19:53
Speaker 6: of it is trying to figure out what Williams knows,
19:57
Speaker 6: what he's ready to take on, and then the endorse
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Speaker 6: Minster Cals Shanahan and John Lynch give do they see
20:02
Speaker 6: him as someone who is ready to ascend to that
20:04
Speaker 6: big seat?
20:06
Speaker 8: And at some point, Bucky, you know, if you were
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Speaker 8: I'm making this decision and I'm not asking for a
20:13
Speaker 8: specific guy, You're projecting on all these guys, right, Like,
20:18
Speaker 8: every one of them has to prove they can be
20:21
Speaker 8: in the big chair. Aside from working with the head
20:25
Speaker 8: coach and I with Tony. You know you've been around gms.
20:30
Speaker 8: What do you look for? What personality trait do you
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Speaker 8: want if you're projecting a guy.
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Speaker 6: I really think it depends on how the role is
20:40
Speaker 6: kind of organizing.
20:41
Speaker 5: The scribe fair Okay, So.
20:42
Speaker 6: There are a few different ways that you can set
20:45
Speaker 6: up the general manager.
20:45
Speaker 5: Right, he's the football z are in charge of everything,
20:48
Speaker 5: so he's in charge of picking the coach and doing
20:50
Speaker 5: the other stuff. Or you can make it where I've
20:52
Speaker 5: seen him.
20:52
Speaker 6: Hey man, you're just a top scout, meaning you're in
20:55
Speaker 6: charge of the scouting departments. You're in charge of making
20:58
Speaker 6: sure that that we can and acquire the personnel.
21:02
Speaker 5: But that's just your role.
21:04
Speaker 6: Your role has little to do with the coaching staff
21:07
Speaker 6: in dust and we just want you to be the
21:08
Speaker 6: top evaluator. There's a place for that if you want
21:12
Speaker 6: a top evaluator. Dennis about Hey, how to identify players?
21:15
Speaker 6: What's their process in securing the talent to allow us
21:19
Speaker 6: to build a team that we need to have. And
21:21
Speaker 6: the coach is more in charge of kind of the
21:23
Speaker 6: football stuff. So a lot of it is how do
21:26
Speaker 6: you want this position to find How we setting this up?
21:30
Speaker 6: Because that really determines which.
21:32
Speaker 5: Guy you're looking for. I will say this potentially the
21:35
Speaker 5: scary part.
21:36
Speaker 6: Of like if you go all newness right where you
21:39
Speaker 6: have first year head coach, first time general manager, first
21:43
Speaker 6: time EVP, and Tony like everyone is kind of learning
21:46
Speaker 6: on the fly. I would say Ethan's experience is just
21:50
Speaker 6: kind of be an assistant GM for a while. He's
21:53
Speaker 6: the one that is closest to being maybe ready to
21:56
Speaker 6: naturally take that next step.
21:59
Speaker 5: John Eric would be with a VP. He and he
22:02
Speaker 5: and they have kind of been close to the thing.
22:04
Speaker 6: Ultimately, man, it's how Shot Khan defines the role on
22:08
Speaker 6: how they want to position that trio at the top
22:11
Speaker 6: that ultimately determined which one is the best candidate for
22:14
Speaker 6: the job. Because if it's a football scout as opposed
22:17
Speaker 6: to running the entire thing, it's a different different sea. Yeah,
22:21
Speaker 6: it's a different set of roles and responsibilities because he's
22:24
Speaker 6: not the face of the franchise. He's a guy that
22:27
Speaker 6: is kind of languishing in the shadows doing this thing,
22:29
Speaker 6: but it's not his team per se. He's part of
22:32
Speaker 6: a collaborative effort between head coach general manager EVP.
22:36
Speaker 5: And the way that it was described when they hired Tony.
22:39
Speaker 6: That's kind of how they want it, like three branches
22:42
Speaker 6: of government making sure that there's a sufficient checks and
22:44
Speaker 6: balances to make sure that they get it right in
22:46
Speaker 6: the end.
22:46
Speaker 8: Yeah, if it's coach centric JP, which has been the
22:49
Speaker 8: buzzword that I shouldn't say buzzword, that's been how Shod
22:53
Speaker 8: Cohn has described this really since Urban Meyer. I mean,
22:56
Speaker 8: that's what he visions for the franchise is a coach
23:00
Speaker 8: centric organization. It's what Tony talked about, supporting Liam Cohnes's vision,
23:07
Speaker 8: William Cones's vision for this franchise. So I think that,
23:10
Speaker 8: you know, I think Bucky hit on something. That's that's
23:14
Speaker 8: the spirit of this thing from by the way I understand.
23:18
Speaker 5: These and so and thinking about that, like like JP,
23:22
Speaker 5: you mean you cuts through off. But in thinking about that, like.
23:24
Speaker 6: If that role is that it also requires the right
23:28
Speaker 6: personality type to be in that role. See because that
23:32
Speaker 6: role is one where you're a little more deferential to
23:35
Speaker 6: the head coach.
23:36
Speaker 5: So that means low ego involved. It can't necessarily be
23:39
Speaker 5: a me me me guy. It has to be a.
23:41
Speaker 6: We we we person that is about the team getting
23:44
Speaker 6: it right as opposed to look at what the job
23:46
Speaker 6: that I've done and building the team. So personality traits,
23:50
Speaker 6: all those things, cooperative traits, all of those things may
23:54
Speaker 6: matter more than just a football pology equation.
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Speaker 3: You know, every time I turn on NFL Network, now
24:16
Speaker 3: it's Bunny Brooks season. It's like the bottom scroll is
24:20
Speaker 3: like top five prospects in every position. It's it's mock
24:24
Speaker 3: draft season. This is like, this is Bucky Brook's season
24:28
Speaker 3: each and every year.
24:30
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's time.
24:31
Speaker 6: It's time. I'm jp t go time, time to be
24:36
Speaker 6: able to talk about prospects. It's time to get it
24:39
Speaker 6: ready for the draft. And I'm really excited about it.
24:42
Speaker 6: And I'm excited as really listen.
24:43
Speaker 5: To the Jaguars.
24:44
Speaker 6: You have a top five pick, you have an opportunity
24:47
Speaker 6: to really get some difference makers at the top of
24:49
Speaker 6: the boards. So as we're talking about G Kennedy, it
24:53
Speaker 6: is the perfect time also trying and figure.
24:55
Speaker 5: Out what we need to do to help this team
24:58
Speaker 5: get back to the top.
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Speaker 8: Bucky, tell me about you know they're gonna hire a
25:03
Speaker 8: gim I think probably Friday, Saturday, Sunday ish there. Right,
25:08
Speaker 8: there's plenty of time. I've got a lot of questions
25:12
Speaker 8: from fans. Oh they're waiting so long, this process has
25:15
Speaker 8: taken too long, et cetera, et cetera. How much you
25:20
Speaker 8: know behind the eight ball or whatever you call it
25:24
Speaker 8: is the timing on it. What will be the first
25:27
Speaker 8: step sort of take me through his months.
25:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're behind the eight ball because, like you're talking
25:34
Speaker 5: about hiring on.
25:35
Speaker 6: The eve of the combine, and so some of the
25:38
Speaker 6: things that you would like to have done by the
25:40
Speaker 6: combine in terms of setting the draft board and preliminarily
25:43
Speaker 6: getting all those things in order, you haven't done it.
25:46
Speaker 5: And let's just say it's someone outside the building.
25:48
Speaker 6: So let's just say if it doesn't get the job,
25:51
Speaker 6: and it's one of the four candidates that are coming outside,
25:53
Speaker 6: well now they have to come in and they have
25:56
Speaker 6: to set the board in a different way because they
25:59
Speaker 6: have used a different grading skill at their previous spot.
26:02
Speaker 5: They may have a different set of rankings in terms
26:06
Speaker 5: of the players that they saw. That changes everything.
26:11
Speaker 6: And you're trying to get scouts who are used to
26:13
Speaker 6: a different grading skill up to your skill so you
26:15
Speaker 6: can talk the same language. So imagine going to Mexico
26:19
Speaker 6: but not speaking Spanish, and now you're trying to get
26:21
Speaker 6: everyone on the same page so we're bilingual.
26:24
Speaker 5: Where you're doing that.
26:26
Speaker 6: While also looking at players can currently and dealing with
26:29
Speaker 6: free agency and all of that.
26:31
Speaker 5: So it's a bit of a jumble.
26:32
Speaker 6: But I will say this, regardless of the draft class
26:35
Speaker 6: and free agent, it's more important to get the person
26:38
Speaker 6: right and deal with it on the back end than
26:41
Speaker 6: to just rush through the process and take someone that
26:45
Speaker 6: is familiar that can help you maybe get through this
26:47
Speaker 6: part with minimal damage.
26:51
Speaker 2: Bucky, great stuff.
26:52
Speaker 3: As always, enjoy New Orleans, and I'm sure you'll be
26:55
Speaker 3: in bed at nine o'clock each and every night.
26:59
Speaker 5: Well, my goal is to make sure that I stay
27:01
Speaker 5: away from the buick. I'm trying.
27:03
Speaker 6: I'm trying to make sure that I don't end up
27:05
Speaker 6: inside of buick, under the buick, on top of a buick,
27:08
Speaker 6: any of those things that John Osher may have experienced
27:11
Speaker 6: when he had his new Woman's story.
27:13
Speaker 7: Don't don't short change buicks.
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Speaker 2: Bucky will see you next week in Indy.
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Speaker 7: Appreciate it all right, better look forward to it all right,
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Speaker 7: man
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