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Lanterns Episodes 5 & 6 Reviewed. Who Killed Hal? · May The Review Be With You

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to May the Review be with you
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Speaker 1: with Nick and Joe. I'm Joe.
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Speaker 2: And I'm Nick and today we are talking about Lanterns
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Speaker 2: episodes 5 and 6.
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Speaker 3: This show pulled a fast one on us. It's like
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Speaker 3: two shows in these eight episodes.
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Speaker 2: Episode 5 of Lanterns called Lights Out was essentially felt
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Speaker 2: like a season finale based on like what went down.
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Speaker 1: You know you you texted me that like right after
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Speaker 1: the the episode had ended and it's so funny because
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Speaker 1: like i didn't think of it in that way but
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Speaker 1: after after you put it that way for me i
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Speaker 1: i can't really think of another way like if the
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Speaker 1: season had ended there like i honestly would have been satisfied.
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Speaker 2: Right it felt like it really felt like a season
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Speaker 2: ender and it's like a perfect cliffhanger for like oh
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Speaker 2: my gosh what's gonna happen next right but the cool
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Speaker 2: part is we have three three more episodes right and
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Speaker 2: six aired recently. We're going to talk about that in
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Speaker 2: a minute, but episode five was just like insane. Like we,
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Speaker 2: we got like a full kind of full picture and
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Speaker 2: resolution essentially to the Manhunter Manhunter part of the saga,
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Speaker 2: or at.
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Speaker 3: Least it feels like we've got like a full resolution there, right?
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Speaker 2: Obviously there's some unanswered questions, but.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Is it fully answered? I'm not so sure about that, Nick.
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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure, Nicky P.
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Speaker 2: There's questions we have. Episode 6, the Manhunter's now dead, right?
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Speaker 3: Zoe's gone.
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Speaker 2: At least we think she is. I mean, I'm assuming
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Speaker 2: she is. Maybe you think differently, but it seemed pretty clear.
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Speaker 1: I think Zoe's dead, for the record.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about Episode 5? What questions do
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Speaker 2: you still have? What do you want to talk about?
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Speaker 2: What's bothering you?
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Speaker 1: So episode five, I think was, I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: pretty much every episode overall has been very good television. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, I've got like nitpicks here and there, but yeah, five,
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Speaker 1: like I said, if the finale, if that truly was
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Speaker 1: a finale, it would have been pretty, pretty good cliffhanger, uh,
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Speaker 1: up until the next season. Right. Thank God the next
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Speaker 1: season started the very next week. Right. But yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: as far as what we saw, I mean, in episode four, uh, we,
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Speaker 1: we witnessed, uh, the basically the divorce, uh, between, uh,
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Speaker 1: Hal and John and we get to see the ramifications
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Speaker 1: of that in episode five lights out as you know
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Speaker 1: we go to war against the as Hal goes to
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Speaker 1: war against the Manhunter Anton goes to war against the
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Speaker 1: Manhunter and John goes to war against Hal it is
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Speaker 1: is just absolute pandemonium and chaos feel very like off
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Speaker 1: balance the entire time John gets burned alive at one
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Speaker 1: point and we get to see that relationship with the
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Speaker 1: Manhunter or the relationship that Zoe had cultivated with John
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Speaker 1: and kind of come into fruition in a very similar
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Speaker 1: way that the episode kicks off right with carrie we
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Speaker 1: find out that manhunter zoe has been really placing people
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Speaker 1: in her pocket she's been giving them these life-changing favors
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Speaker 1: right uh in exchange for when someone comes a knocking
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Speaker 1: they will answer the call right i there are parts
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Speaker 1: of zoe's character that i think are a little confusing
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Speaker 1: for me personally nick but overall i think that this
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Speaker 1: was a really compelling plot what about you Yeah, very.
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Speaker 2: Compelling, especially like when Anton and his crew come to town, right?
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Speaker 2: It's so funny that like Hal is trying to play
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Speaker 2: a smokescreen game and like trick them into who they're
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Speaker 2: supposed to go fight because they both kind of want
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Speaker 2: the same thing, right?
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Speaker 3: They want the Manhunter, but Hal seems to want to
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Speaker 3: keep her alive.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he wants to personally deliver. They all want the
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Speaker 1: Manhunter for like different reasons. He wants to personally deliver
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Speaker 1: her to the Guardians to kind of regain favor. So
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Speaker 1: hopefully that they don't replace him, right? Right.
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Speaker 2: And so we've got this like weird thing where they
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Speaker 2: both want the same thing in their own way. But
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Speaker 2: in this, like Anton and his crew, they're willing to
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Speaker 2: die to get this done. And Zoe's crew, if you will,
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Speaker 2: which is the town of Rushville, are willing to die
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Speaker 2: for her to do whatever they need to do, right?
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Speaker 2: So you've got like both of these people who are
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Speaker 2: going after each other, whose crew is like ready to
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Speaker 2: just like and their lives if they need to, for
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Speaker 2: whatever reason.
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Speaker 3: And the aliens quite literally explode.
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Speaker 1: This is crazy.
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Speaker 2: So you've got this, this just cool, you know, side-by-side
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Speaker 2: comparison of these two, these two leaders, like with their
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Speaker 2: people and what they're, they're going after. But the thing
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Speaker 2: that like, I still have questions on is the Anton-Zoa relationship.
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Speaker 2: Cause you kind of find out that the Manhunter has
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Speaker 2: always been a woman, right? It's not just like the
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Speaker 2: form that she's taken this time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Like it can, but like, yeah, it's an, It
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Speaker 1: seemed like I don't know if it usually is, but
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Speaker 1: at least in his familiarity, it was a female last time,
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Speaker 1: like with him. Right. Right.
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Speaker 2: But like they have kids together. Like there's this whole
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Speaker 2: that that seemed very interesting. And that's not resolved at all. Like,
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't think we got more info there.
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Speaker 2: And that's, you know, about what happens there. So it's
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Speaker 2: very just a very crazy like there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was honestly a little confusing too,
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Speaker 1: as far as what were Anton's motivations, right? I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, they talked about the Manhunter being a war
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Speaker 1: criminal and like they were trying to prevent war from happening.
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Speaker 1: And he showed John in, I think, episode two, the
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Speaker 1: atrocities that the Manhunter or Manhunters had created, right? So like,
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Speaker 1: it seemed like he wanted the Manhunter dead, but then
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Speaker 1: also apparently like he was in love with the Manhunter
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Speaker 1: a little bit some complexities going on there but I
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Speaker 1: mean ultimately I guess that's the same path that John
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Speaker 1: finds himself in as well right I mean as he
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Speaker 1: shoots her at the end of the episode he is
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Speaker 1: he's crying as he does it he doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: do it right which as a Marine I don't think
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Speaker 1: he has a problem ultimately taking someone's life but this
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Speaker 1: particular person he formed an attachment with maybe even sensed
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a life debt after Hal had
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Speaker 1: left John for dead Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That was that was that was a crazy scene. Basically,
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Speaker 2: John getting a second chance at life and she's like
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Speaker 2: saving his life. And you get to see how she works, too,
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Speaker 2: with like how she gets everyone to do her these favors.
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Speaker 2: But John, you can't just you can't just own him.
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Speaker 2: I think it's very that's the proof here, right? Like
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Speaker 2: he's going to make his own decisions regardless of if
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Speaker 2: he owes you or doesn't owe you.
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Speaker 1: Right. He's got he's got strong willpower. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: a good qualification as a Green Lantern.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And so.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's, that was really cool to see his
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Speaker 2: trajectory in that episode. And really towards the end too,
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Speaker 2: when you think that like John and Hal are just
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Speaker 2: going to go at it and John's just going to
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Speaker 2: kill Hal. And then all of a sudden he leaves
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Speaker 2: in there as bait, right?
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Speaker 3: For, for Zoe. And Hal like knew it, right?
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Speaker 2: Like, and it, it almost seemed like it's like, did
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Speaker 2: they plan that from the beginning? But it, it, it
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Speaker 2: wasn't like they've actually, they've like worked together. So they
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Speaker 2: worked together long enough and know how each other operates.
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Speaker 2: I think Hal like figured out that, The reason he's
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Speaker 2: still alive.
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Speaker 1: Is because John... It was his gut feeling.
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Speaker 3: Right, his gut feeling.
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Speaker 2: He's like, John's using me as bait right now. And
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Speaker 2: he just knew it. And so that was a really
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Speaker 2: cool scene. And obviously what follows, which if you want
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Speaker 2: to get into that about John.
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Speaker 1: I do in a second. I just want to get
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Speaker 1: into real quick what is my ultimate nitpick with this show.
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Speaker 1: It feels like not enough time goes by in certain instances.
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Speaker 1: Or maybe sometimes things happen too quickly. john and hal
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Speaker 1: have their epic fight in in the motel right as
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Speaker 1: the manhunter tries to shoot them hal protects them with
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Speaker 1: the ring right it explodes and then we see john
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Speaker 1: run away in the rubble i counted this and it's
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Speaker 1: exactly 21 seconds later that zo walks in now watching
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Speaker 1: it a second time i am forced to believe that
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Speaker 1: the montage that happens in between john leaving and zo
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Speaker 1: coming probably implies that it's not 21 seconds of time
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Speaker 1: that went by but it The viewer, it's 21 seconds, and, like,
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Speaker 1: Zoe comes walking in and, like, I don't know, gloats
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Speaker 1: to Hal, and Hal's like, ah, you're bait. And then,
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Speaker 1: you know, we see that John's all the way over
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Speaker 1: at the, what is it, the road sign, right? And
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Speaker 1: takes the shot. It's like, dude, is he also the Flash? Like,
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Speaker 1: did he sprint over there in light speed? In 21
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Speaker 1: seconds and take this shot? Again, I know it's not
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Speaker 1: supposed to be 21 seconds, but it feels like it. And, like,
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Speaker 1: I think that's something that happens a lot with this show,
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Speaker 1: that they take certain shortcuts as far as time goes.
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Speaker 1: There are certain emotional relationships that they imply are much deeper,
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Speaker 1: even though, to me, it doesn't feel like it. Like,
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Speaker 1: in the next episode, Noah, who's grown up, he's, like,
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Speaker 1: 18 years old, his mom... says to john hey noah
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Speaker 1: might want to see you why because he threw him
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Speaker 1: a football one time like why would he want to
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Speaker 1: see him like what are you talking about they have
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Speaker 1: a deep connection yeah um i mean i'm fine because
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Speaker 1: like the story and plot are ultimately very interesting but
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Speaker 1: like i don't know it's little moments like that with
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Speaker 1: the show that i'm like could we have just spent
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Speaker 1: a little bit more time thinking about this instead of
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Speaker 1: just like rushing it i don't know that's just me
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Speaker 1: man yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think The fact that those are your nitpicks are
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Speaker 3: proof that the show is like excellent, you know, like it's,
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Speaker 3: it's solid show.
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Speaker 2: Like you really have to kind of like be nitpicky
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Speaker 2: to find things that maybe are a little bit like sketchy.
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Speaker 2: I will say though, the one about that with John
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Speaker 2: at the end of episode five, it was kind of
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Speaker 2: obvious that it's like, Oh wait, how the hell did
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Speaker 2: he get all the way over there? They definitely missed
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Speaker 2: a little something there about like just giving us a
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Speaker 2: little bit more time. Maybe they could have cut somewhere
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Speaker 2: else in the, in the town.
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Speaker 3: But at that point, the.
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Speaker 1: Town was like fake to nighttime, right? Like make it night, like.
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Speaker 3: Something, something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That's a good point. That's funny.
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Speaker 2: Also, in episode five, we get the reveal that Zoe
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Speaker 2: is the one who killed Abin Sur, which was was
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Speaker 2: really interesting. And also, you know, basically killed Abin Sur
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Speaker 2: to close the loose ends.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: She didn't want anyone to know who she really was.
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Speaker 3: So that's interesting.
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Speaker 2: Like basically the question we had in the show getting
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Speaker 2: answered right in that episode, which was great of course
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Speaker 2: after all this goes down go ahead you got something else.
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Speaker 1: No i i was just gonna say i would that
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Speaker 1: reveal says to me that maybe we're not gonna get
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Speaker 1: the hal jordan flashback that i thought we were gonna
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Speaker 1: get you know which is uh well i guess just
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Speaker 1: whatever however hal says he got the ring i doubt
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Speaker 1: like that's exactly how it went down But with this reveal,
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Speaker 1: maybe we're not going there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're probably not going there.
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Speaker 3: Unless Hal's backup wants to tell us. The hologram, right?
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Speaker 2: Which made an appearance in 5 and at the end
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Speaker 2: of 6. And it's going to be the Hal Jordan
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Speaker 2: for the rest of the season, it seems. We're just
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Speaker 2: going to have a hologram with us, which is cool.
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Speaker 1: Seems that way.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, at the end of episode 5, just to
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Speaker 2: close the loop on that one, obviously... Jon rips out
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Speaker 2: Zoe's heart to prove that it's the Manhunter, brings it
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Speaker 2: to Lyanna, and then also gives her the ring and
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Speaker 2: gives up the Green Lantern ring to the Guardians.
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Speaker 1: Were you prepared for this to be as Lord of
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Speaker 1: the Rings coded as it was? I wasn't.
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Speaker 3: I was not. No, I was not prepared at all.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, I was literally like, damn, he's
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Speaker 2: giving it up.
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Speaker 3: You know, like he, I felt like he had earned
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Speaker 3: it at that point.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: But I guess the way is still important to him
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Speaker 3: on how to get it.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 3: It's very interesting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, I mean, John, John has always said that
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Speaker 1: he is someone who follows the rules. Right. You give
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Speaker 1: him instructions. He follows them to the T. Right. All
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Speaker 1: this time, he's felt as though he's been operating in
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Speaker 1: a way that's within the rules, within the framework. Therefore,
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Speaker 1: he is worthy. And he's being told, well, you got
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Speaker 1: to also rob it from this guy. And we lied.
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Speaker 1: We didn't tell him. that he's gonna that you're the
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Speaker 1: replacement right so he feels like really dishonorable about all
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Speaker 1: of this like it goes against everything he stands for.
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Speaker 2: Right yeah and and so yeah he makes that decision
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Speaker 2: to give it up and that basically is the mid-season
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Speaker 2: finale do you have any other things you want to
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Speaker 2: mention about five before we get into six.
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Speaker 1: I have three things uh the first thing uh the
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Speaker 1: acting's phenomenal yes aaron pierre is so good yes so
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Speaker 1: good There is one moment, though, that you have to
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Speaker 1: call out when he's in the car and he's cursing
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Speaker 1: out Hal. His British slips out. I just thought that
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Speaker 1: that was very funny.
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Speaker 3: That's great.
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Speaker 1: Like he couldn't he couldn't tell him to F off
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Speaker 1: without the British actually coming out. And I got a
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Speaker 1: delightful little smile out of that. One other smile that
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Speaker 1: I had was right before the Manhunter destroys the motel.
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Speaker 1: We get a zoom out or no, I think it's
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Speaker 1: after I think it's when John leaves the motel. We
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Speaker 1: see in the ruins, the sign of the motel is
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Speaker 1: offering cable and HBO, baby. Self-advertising. I thought that was
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Speaker 1: so funny. It had the 2006 logo, too. It's like,
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Speaker 1: well done, prop team. Well done.
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Speaker 3: I saw that. That's a great call out. That was
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Speaker 3: very fun.
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Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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Speaker 3: Love it. Okay, so episode six, Bad Optics. Bad Optics.
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Speaker 2: This opens really quick. This opens with, you know, this
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Speaker 2: is 2026 now, right? This is 10 years since the
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Speaker 2: Rushville incident. We find out Hal's been in prison for
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Speaker 2: 10 years, but he's recently out. But the episode opens
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Speaker 2: with John and one of his brothers pitching a new company.
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Speaker 2: It's like underground shelter, Noah's Ark situation, specifically for protection
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Speaker 2: from intergalactic attacks. So he's got this new job trying
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Speaker 2: to make amends with his family, or at least his brothers.
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Speaker 2: He's not talking to his father. His mother is calling
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Speaker 2: him occasionally and apparently has been talking to Hal. This
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Speaker 2: episode basically is about Jon Stewart finding out that like
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Speaker 2: Hal Jordan wants to apologize which is really just BS
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Speaker 2: his mom told him that so that he would actually
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Speaker 2: go meet Hal Jordan because he Hal needed to talk
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Speaker 2: to him about something and yeah basically we get this
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Speaker 2: conversation between them Hal's not apologizing Jon punches him in
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Speaker 2: the face it's a great interaction and then later that
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Speaker 2: day this is kind of.
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Speaker 1: Before before later that day the last thing that happens
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Speaker 1: is Hal has a like in a about face in
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Speaker 1: his like energy and his attitude. And while John is leaving,
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Speaker 1: like very scared, Hal says, don't tell anyone you were here.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: And then later he, this is the flash forward.
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Speaker 2: We had seen multiple times throughout the series where Hal
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Speaker 2: is now dead and the sheriff calls him, you know,
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Speaker 2: to the bleachers there of the football field where, where
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Speaker 2: their journey pretty much began for the show. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: now this episode is basically just John and the sheriff
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Speaker 2: and kind of going through an investigation on, you know,
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Speaker 2: who killed Hal Jordan.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead. I was just going to say, man, who
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Speaker 1: did kill Hal Jordan? Right. It's, it's been five episodes,
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Speaker 1: six episodes, six episodes. We still don't know. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: We don't know who killed Hal Jordan.
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Speaker 2: And another thing we got during this episode was the
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Speaker 2: Guy Gardner, Jon Stewart conversation.
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Speaker 1: Nathan Fillion.
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Speaker 2: Which it was, they did this so well. Like he
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Speaker 2: definitely fit in the show perfectly.
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Speaker 3: It was really great. But during that conversation.
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Speaker 1: Remember what I said? Remember what I said? They were
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Speaker 1: going to tone down the goofiness just enough. And, like,
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Speaker 1: there it was.
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Speaker 3: They did. It was awesome.
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Speaker 2: And we find out during this conversation that Sinestro has
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Speaker 2: been set... Someone broke out Sinestro from prison. Which leads
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Speaker 2: to the question of... Does anything that has to do
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Speaker 2: with Sinestro breaking out have to do with Hal Jordan's death?
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Speaker 3: I imagine. But what piece connects where? I have zero...
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Speaker 3: I really have zero theories. Like, I don't... I do
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Speaker 3: not know. I, like.
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Speaker 2: I feel like it's like an unrelated party that we
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Speaker 2: don't know yet for some reason.
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Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. What do you think?
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Speaker 1: I have, I have a theory.
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Speaker 3: Hit me.
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Speaker 1: So, okay. This whole episode I think gives us like
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Speaker 1: a list of suspects, right? We only got two more episodes, right?
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Speaker 1: And it would be crazy if like this show decided
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Speaker 1: the Butler did it, right? Like one of like just
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Speaker 1: something out of left field, right? Sure. So I think
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Speaker 1: this episode was dedicated to giving us all, all the
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Speaker 1: suspects who could possibly be involved in this. And really,
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Speaker 1: for me, this comes down to four different people. It
16:01
Speaker 1: comes down to Bill. It comes down to Carrie. It
16:05
Speaker 1: comes down to Noah. I'm coming back to him. Maggie's
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Speaker 1: a really weird and interesting character that gets introduced in
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Speaker 1: this episode. Or not introduced. Really, adult Maggie gets introduced
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Speaker 1: in this episode. We meet child Maggie in episode five.
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Speaker 1: She is standing with her mother, who is apparently grieving
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Speaker 1: over what looks like the father in the wreckage of...
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Speaker 1: of what happened in the attack in the town. Right.
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Speaker 1: And John had an interaction with her where he says,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, gives her the watch. They move on. We
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Speaker 1: meet adult Maggie later. Um, and she's blackmailing him because
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Speaker 1: she saw John at the diner with Hal. And that
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Speaker 1: looks very suspicious. Hal's death. Right. And she wants, as
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Speaker 1: she put it, reparations.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: There was a lot of, uh, racially charged language throughout this, uh,
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Speaker 1: throughout this episode that I thought very, very interesting. That
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Speaker 1: one being the most interesting, I think. Yeah. But as
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Speaker 1: far as suspects go, Nick, I'm looking at Noah.
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Speaker 3: What if Noah and Maggie?
17:04
Speaker 1: I don't know what Maggie's deal is, but Noah is
17:06
Speaker 1: just screaming to me. So earlier, remember what you said
17:09
Speaker 1: about ARCs? Remember what you said about ARCs?
17:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
17:12
Speaker 1: And they're specifically building an ARC, right? And we have
17:15
Speaker 1: a Noah character. I don't know how that's connected, but
17:17
Speaker 1: that's not a coincidence. That's connected, right? I don't know
17:22
Speaker 1: how you're going to find out.
17:23
Speaker 3: You're so right.
17:23
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
17:24
Speaker 2: They could be working together, even Noah and Maggie, because
17:26
Speaker 2: like their childhoods were ruined basically by the lanterns, right?
17:29
Speaker 1: By Hal and John. Right.
17:33
Speaker 3: Interesting.
17:34
Speaker 1: There's a conversation that happens between Noah and Zoe in
17:38
Speaker 1: episode five, right before the attacks begin. And it's Noah
17:41
Speaker 1: as a child. He's talking to Zoe and he said,
17:43
Speaker 1: you know, what's happening? Why is dad mad? And Zoe
17:46
Speaker 1: tells him. You know, he's mad that he's not able
17:48
Speaker 1: to do more. And, you know, people are going to
17:50
Speaker 1: die today. And he or she tells Noah two things.
17:55
Speaker 1: Look without being seen. And the second thing she says
17:59
Speaker 1: is remember everything I told you. Right. So very unclear
18:05
Speaker 1: what's going on there right now. But we know that
18:07
Speaker 1: Noah's turned out to be a football prodigy.
18:09
Speaker 2: Right.
18:10
Speaker 1: I wonder what else Noah is good at. Right. I
18:14
Speaker 1: wonder if Noah is human, because I'm not convinced he is. Yeah.
18:20
Speaker 1: There's something more going on with Carrie and this boy.
18:24
Speaker 1: Right now, as far as my list of suspects who
18:25
Speaker 1: killed Hal Jordan, it's Noah. I'm just calling that right now.
18:29
Speaker 3: Oh, I love that. I don't have any other thoughts.
18:32
Speaker 2: Like, I think that's a great theory, because I had zero.
18:36
Speaker 3: So that's a really good call out.
18:38
Speaker 1: My one question about that, though, Nick, is like, did
18:42
Speaker 1: they mean to lure John back to Rushville Rushville I'm
18:46
Speaker 1: saying that right right Rushville yeah yeah Rushville I don't
18:50
Speaker 1: know why it sounded weird in my head Rushville yeah
18:53
Speaker 1: why did they like if it doesn't feel like a
18:56
Speaker 1: coincidence that John comes back right like right right before
18:59
Speaker 1: Hal dies right and even Hal like calls him out
19:03
Speaker 1: saying like don't tell anyone you were here like why
19:05
Speaker 1: did he say that like what did Hal know right
19:07
Speaker 1: before he died I don't know there's something a little
19:10
Speaker 1: sketchy going.
19:11
Speaker 2: On there Yeah, definitely a lot of unanswered questions or
19:14
Speaker 2: new questions now that we're going to have to hopefully
19:17
Speaker 2: find out here the next, the last two episodes of
19:19
Speaker 2: this season.
19:20
Speaker 3: The hologram.
19:22
Speaker 1: This was such a great way to end the episode, man.
19:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like you mentioned this previously, right? Like we're
19:27
Speaker 2: going to get more than one ring. There's got to
19:28
Speaker 2: be more than one lantern at a time. And we
19:31
Speaker 2: find out that like when a green lantern dies, they
19:34
Speaker 2: don't just give that ring to someone. They decommission it
19:37
Speaker 2: and keep it somewhere in storage. I guess because there's
19:40
Speaker 2: potentially backup information in it, which we see later in
19:43
Speaker 2: the episode with Hal, right? And then they just make
19:46
Speaker 2: a new ring for the new lantern. And so John,
19:49
Speaker 2: convinces Guy Gardner that he owes him because he wouldn't
19:52
Speaker 2: be Green Lantern if he wouldn't have turned it down.
19:54
Speaker 2: So Guy pays up his debt, gets the ring, they
19:59
Speaker 2: bury Hal in it, but John apparently couldn't get the
20:03
Speaker 2: ring without being obvious. So he has to bury John
20:07
Speaker 2: and then he has to unbury him later.
20:11
Speaker 3: And at first you're like, what, now he's taking the ring? Like,
20:14
Speaker 3: why now?
20:15
Speaker 2: And then obviously he uses the Hal Jordan trick on
20:18
Speaker 2: how to make sure the ring's still got 5% battery life.
20:22
Speaker 2: And we get the hologram, which is honestly great comedic
20:25
Speaker 2: relief to end the episode, because I was a little
20:27
Speaker 2: worried we weren't going to see Hal Jordan anymore, at
20:30
Speaker 2: least not a lot. And now I think we're going
20:32
Speaker 2: to get him pretty much the rest of the season,
20:33
Speaker 2: which is great.
20:35
Speaker 1: It is cool that he's going to be involved in
20:39
Speaker 1: solving his own murder yeah which to me feels like
20:43
Speaker 1: not maybe not a like a reference or anything but
20:45
Speaker 1: it feels like it is inspired uh by one of
20:48
Speaker 1: my favorite comics nick uh whatever happened to the cape
20:51
Speaker 1: crusader which is a story about batman finding out that
20:54
Speaker 1: villains and superheroes are attending his own funeral and he
20:58
Speaker 1: as a spirit is watching this happen and he's confused
21:00
Speaker 1: because he doesn't remember dying so he has to solve
21:03
Speaker 1: his own murder It gave me kind of those vibes, right?
21:06
Speaker 1: That this echo of Hal is going to help John
21:09
Speaker 1: figure out what happened to the real Hal, right?
21:12
Speaker 2: And he certainly doesn't remember how he died because it's
21:14
Speaker 2: a backup from like 10 years ago or 20 years
21:15
Speaker 2: ago or whatever.
21:16
Speaker 1: Great. Yeah.
21:18
Speaker 3: That's cool. I love that little.
21:20
Speaker 1: That is cool.
21:20
Speaker 3: That little Batman comic book comparison.
21:24
Speaker 1: Hell yeah. It's a great story for the record. But... Yeah, man.
21:29
Speaker 3: What else stands out about episode six to you?
21:32
Speaker 1: John. So John... is now a brilliant architect 10 years later, right?
21:38
Speaker 1: Someone even calls him like a hot... I think it's Maggie.
21:40
Speaker 1: Maggie calls him like a hot shot architect. Yeah. And
21:42
Speaker 1: clearly he's dressing in nice suits. He's got the attention
21:46
Speaker 1: of the U.S. military. He's a big deal, right? The
21:48
Speaker 1: reason why I want to call this out is because
21:50
Speaker 1: apparently John is not just an excellent architect when it
21:54
Speaker 1: comes to making buildings. Apparently he's a fantastic architect in
22:00
Speaker 1: manipulating people.
22:01
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:02
Speaker 1: Because watching... watching this episode for a second time, I
22:05
Speaker 1: didn't realize how many people he was playing in order
22:09
Speaker 1: to get the ring into the ground so that he
22:12
Speaker 1: could get the ring and then talk to the hologram, right? Right.
22:16
Speaker 1: So he's got to talk, he's got to talk to Carrie,
22:18
Speaker 1: they have to talk to the coroner, figure out what's
22:21
Speaker 1: going to happen to the body, right? Figures out what's
22:23
Speaker 1: going to happen to the body, convinces Carrie that there
22:25
Speaker 1: should be a burial, right? And then gets the attention
22:29
Speaker 1: of Guy Gardner, convinces Guy that he owes him and
22:32
Speaker 1: that They should honor him because he's the first Earth
22:35
Speaker 1: Green Lantern and he should be dressed in a uniform
22:38
Speaker 1: and a ring. And he manipulates them into doing this.
22:41
Speaker 1: And then also he can actually get to the ground
22:46
Speaker 1: and grave rob Hal Jordan. Right. It's like bravo.
22:52
Speaker 3: Bravo.
22:52
Speaker 2: And not only that, he's manipulating his own family throughout
22:55
Speaker 2: the episode too to buy himself time.
22:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
22:57
Speaker 3: And to take care of his father, he's manipulating his
23:00
Speaker 3: other brother. And yeah, I mean... Jon Stewart, master manipulator.
23:04
Speaker 1: Really? Architect of people, too.
23:07
Speaker 3: Architect of people. Love that.
23:10
Speaker 1: All right.
23:10
Speaker 3: Any other notes? Any predictions for the last two episodes?
23:14
Speaker 1: My prediction is Noah killed Hal. But, you know, there
23:18
Speaker 1: are so many subplots left to take care of here, right?
23:22
Speaker 1: We have the parent subplot with what's going on with
23:25
Speaker 1: his parents, right? Like, ultimately, like, I don't know if
23:28
Speaker 1: they're just there for some basic conflict, but... It feels
23:32
Speaker 1: like there's more left going on with Bernadette. Just as
23:36
Speaker 1: far as her relationship goes with John. Obviously, like I
23:38
Speaker 1: brought up, there's Noah. There's now a Maggie subplot. Yeah.
23:42
Speaker 1: And we have Sinestro just out there somewhere lurking. And
23:48
Speaker 1: who busted Sinestro? Guy Gardner says that Hal Jordan has
23:52
Speaker 1: a good alibi because he was in jail. Right. I
23:57
Speaker 1: don't know if I buy it.
23:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:00
Speaker 2: I don't know.
24:01
Speaker 1: It feels like a cover. Maybe Hal did it somehow.
24:05
Speaker 1: Maybe he was able to get his old mentor out.
24:07
Speaker 1: I don't know.
24:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my biggest question, I think, right now, is
24:11
Speaker 2: who let Sinestro go free. I feel like, oh, yeah,
24:13
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, we find that out, we
24:15
Speaker 2: find out who killed Hal, and vice versa, probably.
24:18
Speaker 1: So, exciting. You know, it is exciting. And, you know,
24:21
Speaker 1: I just thought of one other thing for Noah, as
24:25
Speaker 1: far as him being my number one suspect. I just
24:28
Speaker 1: thought of this. Mm-hmm. So Abansur dies at the hands
24:34
Speaker 1: of Zo, the Manhunter, right? So we have a Manhunter
24:37
Speaker 1: who kills a Green Lantern after the Green Lantern helped
24:43
Speaker 1: the Manhunter. Whatever was going on with Hal and Carrie,
24:48
Speaker 1: I wonder if he also had a relationship with Noah, right?
24:52
Speaker 1: And perhaps he was able to help Noah with something before...
24:56
Speaker 1: before dying some kind of way that he felt like
24:58
Speaker 1: he could redeem himself. Right. How was trying to redeem
25:00
Speaker 1: himself in this town? We find out he's going to doors.
25:03
Speaker 1: He's knocking, trying to help people. Right. Perhaps he does.
25:06
Speaker 1: And in this like full circle narrative moment, we find
25:09
Speaker 1: ourselves yet again with a man hunter who kills a
25:12
Speaker 1: green lantern. Right. I don't know. It feels like we
25:16
Speaker 1: don't obviously have all the details there yet, but as
25:18
Speaker 1: far as like a narrative through line, like that's what
25:20
Speaker 1: I'm seeing right now. Yeah.
25:22
Speaker 2: All right.
25:22
Speaker 1: I love that.
25:23
Speaker 3: That's full circle. Excellent.
25:25
Speaker 1: All right.
25:26
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25:28
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25:35
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