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People Buy You — But What Does That Cost? · The Book Brief Project

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  Speaker 1: Early in People Buy You, Jeb Blount states the idea
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  Speaker 1: that gives the book its title, and he states it
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  Speaker 1: with the easy, open-handed rhythm of a man who has
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  Speaker 1: said it from a stage many times. When all things
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  Speaker 1: are equal, people buy you, not your product, not your price,
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  Speaker 1: not the brochure you left on the desk. Then, almost
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  Speaker 1: as an afterthought, tucked inside a parenthesis, as if it
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  Speaker 1: barely needed saying, he adds that in the world we
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  Speaker 1: work in now, things almost always are equal. It reads
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  Speaker 1: like a shrug. It is the most important sentence he writes,
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  Speaker 1: because everything he argues afterward depends on it being true,
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  Speaker 1: and he never turns around to look at what it costs.
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  Speaker 1: Blount published the book in 2010, and it did what
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  Speaker 1: books of its kind hoped to do. It was assigned
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  Speaker 1: in sales trainings, passed around real estate offices, discussed in
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  Speaker 1: book clubs full of brokers and account managers, and it
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  Speaker 1: is still recommended 15 years later. What is strange is
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  Speaker 1: the tone of the recommendation. The readers who like it say,
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  Speaker 1: often in the same breath, that there is nothing new
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  Speaker 1: in it, that it is common sense with good organization,
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  Speaker 1: that it tells you what you already suspected. A book
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  Speaker 1: that survives on being unsurprising is doing something worth noticing.
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  Speaker 1: What it does, first, is name a feeling most people
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  Speaker 1: in business carry around and rarely say out loud, that
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  Speaker 1: the product stopped being the point a while ago and
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  Speaker 1: nobody sent a memo. Blount is not an academic and
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  Speaker 1: does not pretend to be one. He spent years in sales,
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  Speaker 1: carrying a quota and then managing people who carried one,
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  Speaker 1: before he built a training business called Sales Gravy and
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  Speaker 1: became one of the most listened to voices in the field.
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  Speaker 1: The book sounds like that career, It is conversational, full
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  Speaker 1: of stories from the road, and it moves the way
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  Speaker 1: a good workshop moves, with a claim, an example, a
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  Speaker 1: small exercise, and the next claim. You can hear the
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  Speaker 1: room in it. That matters, because a workshop is built
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  Speaker 1: to change what you do on Monday morning, and nobody
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  Speaker 1: in the room is paid to ask whether the change
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  Speaker 1: is good for you. His starting point is a list
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  Speaker 1: of everything companies believe will win the sale— reputation, Price, delivery times,
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  Speaker 1: the right software, the testimonial, the write-up in a business magazine.
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  Speaker 1: Blount walks through all of it and sets it aside.
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  Speaker 1: These things matter, he grants. But in a crowded market,
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  Speaker 1: your competitor has most of them too. And when two
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  Speaker 1: offers look alike on paper, the decision slides over to
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  Speaker 1: something that was never on the spec sheet. The buyer
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  Speaker 1: is choosing a person. Along the way, he clears out
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  Speaker 1: a few comfortable myths. The most useful being that friends
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  Speaker 1: buy from friends. They often don't, he says, and anyone
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  Speaker 1: who has watched a friend quietly give the contract to
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  Speaker 1: a stranger knows it. The gate is like ability, which
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  Speaker 1: is something much smaller and much more available than friendship.
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  Speaker 1: It is the first few minutes, the posture, the attention.
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  Speaker 1: the sense that the person across the table is actually present.
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  Speaker 1: From there, the book builds its framework, and the framework
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  Speaker 1: is its best idea. Blount proposes that every buyer, whether
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  Speaker 1: they know it or not, is running a quiet interview
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  Speaker 1: with five questions in it. Do I like you? Do
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  Speaker 1: you listen to me? Do you make me feel important?
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  Speaker 1: Do you understand me and my problem? Do I trust
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  Speaker 1: and believe you? The questions are phrased from the buyer's
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  Speaker 1: side of the table, and that choice does real work.
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  Speaker 1: Most sales books are written from the seller's chair and
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  Speaker 1: describe what to say. This one, at its sharpest, describes
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  Speaker 1: what the other person is silently deciding. And it asks
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  Speaker 1: you to imagine being graded. The scene that holds the
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  Speaker 1: whole book together is a small one. A college sophomore
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  Speaker 1: named Jennifer takes a job selling advertising for her school newspaper.
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  Speaker 1: On her first day, she goes to see the owner
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  Speaker 1: of the local Ford dealership, an account the paper had
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  Speaker 1: written off. A year earlier, the editor had tried and failed,
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  Speaker 1: and the owner had made it clear he was done
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  Speaker 1: with them. Jennifer does not pitch. She lets him talk,
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  Speaker 1: and what comes out is a grievance. The last salesperson
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  Speaker 1: never returned his calls and treated his business as if
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  Speaker 1: it did not matter. Jennifer listens to all of it,
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  Speaker 1: takes it seriously, and offers to fix the specific thing
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  Speaker 1: that went wrong. She walks out with the contract. Blount's
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  Speaker 1: verdict is blunt. The owner did not buy the newspaper,
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  Speaker 1: and he did not buy the price. He bought Jennifer.
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  Speaker 1: It is a good story, and it is good precisely
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  Speaker 1: because nothing clever happens in it. Jennifer has no technique.
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  Speaker 1: She has patience, and an absence of self-interest that is
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  Speaker 1: visible from across a desk And Blount's point is that
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  Speaker 1: this is rarer in business than it should be. He
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  Speaker 1: has a name for the opposite habit, the pump and dump,
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  Speaker 1: where the seller arrives full of the company's history and
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  Speaker 1: its awards and unloads all of it before learning anything
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  Speaker 1: about the person in the chair. Against that, he offers
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  Speaker 1: what may be the most practical line in the book.
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  Speaker 1: The fastest way to make someone feel important is to
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  Speaker 1: listen to them. He means it literally. Stop talking. and
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  Speaker 1: let the other person be the subject of the conversation
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  Speaker 1: for as long as they need. The rest of the
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  Speaker 1: book arranges this into five levers. Be likable. Connect. Solve problems.
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  Speaker 1: Build trust. Create positive emotional experiences that anchor the relationship
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  Speaker 1: after the sale is done. When he reaches trust, Blount
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  Speaker 1: borrows from Stephen Covey the image of an emotional bank account.
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  Speaker 1: where every kept promise is a deposit and every missed
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  Speaker 1: callback is a withdrawal. And the balance is what a
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  Speaker 1: client consults when a competitor comes calling. When he reaches
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  Speaker 1: those emotional experiences, the advice gets almost domestic. Call a
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  Speaker 1: client a month after the deal closes just to ask
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  Speaker 1: how things are going. Remember the name of their kid.
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  Speaker 1: Show up when there is nothing to sell. And here
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  Speaker 1: the book does something it does not seem to notice.
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  Speaker 1: When Blount explains how to be likable, the advice is
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  Speaker 1: about managing yourself. Be aware of where you are. Push
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  Speaker 1: your own preoccupations aside. Keep a pleasant expression on your face,
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  Speaker 1: even if at first it takes effort to hold it there.
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  Speaker 1: A few pages away and throughout, he insists that none
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  Speaker 1: of this works unless it is genuine, that buyers can
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  Speaker 1: smell a fake. that authenticity is the whole game. Both
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  Speaker 1: instructions are reasonable. Put side by side, they ask for
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  Speaker 1: two different things. One says, perform warmth until it becomes real.
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  Speaker 1: The other says, only real warmth counts. The book moves
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  Speaker 1: between them as if they were the same instruction, and
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  Speaker 1: the gap between them is where the most interesting question
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  Speaker 1: in it lives. Someone mapped that gap almost 30 years earlier.
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  Speaker 1: In The Managed Heart, published in 1983, the sociologist Arlie
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  Speaker 1: Hochschild spent time inside the training program of Delta Airlines,
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  Speaker 1: watching flight attendants learn to smile for a living. One
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  Speaker 1: pilot told a room of trainees that their smile was
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  Speaker 1: their biggest asset. Hochschild called what those women were doing
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  Speaker 1: emotional labor, and she drew a line that Blount never draws.
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  Speaker 1: There is surface acting, where you put on the expression
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  Speaker 1: and keep the feeling private. And there is deep acting,
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  Speaker 1: where you work on the feeling itself until the smile
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  Speaker 1: is honest. The airline wanted the second kind. So, in
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  Speaker 1: the end, does Blount. Hochschild's finding was that deep acting
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  Speaker 1: is the one that costs more because the self you
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  Speaker 1: rearrange to produce the warmth is the same self you
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  Speaker 1: have to go home in. People by you starts to
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  Speaker 1: look dated at this point. And then, strangely, less dated
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  Speaker 1: the longer you stay with it. The surface has aged.
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  Speaker 1: The language of personal branding and the confident talk about
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  Speaker 1: standing out in the marketplace now feel as distant as
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  Speaker 1: fax machines. Read in 2026. Much of it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: the motivational register of its moment, and some of the
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  Speaker 1: advice is so familiar it has become furniture. But the
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  Speaker 1: parentheses has aged in the other direction. When Blount wrote
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  Speaker 1: that things almost always are equal, it was an observation
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  Speaker 1: about crowded markets. Now, it is close to literal. The
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  Speaker 1: proposal can be generated, the follow-up email can be written
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  Speaker 1: in seconds, the pitch can be polished by software that
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  Speaker 1: never gets tired, and every competitor has the same tools.
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  Speaker 1: Blount himself has since written about selling with artificial intelligence,
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  Speaker 1: which tells you he sees it too. When the paperwork
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  Speaker 1: is identical, the five questions are what remain, and the
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  Speaker 1: person answering them is the only part of the offer
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  Speaker 1: that cannot be copied. That makes the book more relevant
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  Speaker 1: and it also makes it more uncomfortable because the logic
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  Speaker 1: runs all the way through. If the product is equal
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  Speaker 1: and the price is equal and the process is equal,
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  Speaker 1: then what the company is selling in practice is its
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  Speaker 1: people's attention and their capacity to be liked on demand.
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  Speaker 1: The seller becomes the product. Blount presents this as good
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  Speaker 1: news and in one sense, it is. It says that
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  Speaker 1: decency is a competitive advantage and that keeping your word
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  Speaker 1: is a strategy and not only a virtue. The trouble
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  Speaker 1: is that the book describes a system in which your
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  Speaker 1: warmth is inventory and never asks who pays for the restocking.
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  Speaker 1: I think the argument is right. And I think it
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  Speaker 1: is right in a way that makes most of the
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  Speaker 1: book unnecessary. The claim that people buy from people they
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  Speaker 1: like and trust is nearly impossible to disagree with, which
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  Speaker 1: is why readers keep saying there is nothing new here.
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  Speaker 1: What survives, and it survives well, is the Jennifer story
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  Speaker 1: and the five questions. The questions work less as a
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  Speaker 1: technique than as a diagnosis. Anyone who has lost a
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  Speaker 1: deal they should have won can run through them honestly
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  Speaker 1: and usually find the one that failed. That is a
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  Speaker 1: real tool, and it fits on an index card. The levers,
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  Speaker 1: the branding advice, the long stretches of workshop encouragement around
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  Speaker 1: it are the same insight restated at the length a
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  Speaker 1: book requires. And the question the book opens without meaning
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  Speaker 1: to stays open. Go back to the dealership. The owner
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  Speaker 1: had been ignored, and a college sophomore gave him her
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  Speaker 1: full attention, and he signed. Blount says he bought Jennifer.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he did, or maybe what he bought was an
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  Speaker 1: experience of being heard, delivered very well by someone who
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  Speaker 1: needed the account, and maybe from his side of the desk,
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  Speaker 1: there is no way to tell those apart. Maybe there
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  Speaker 1: isn't one. If the listening was real, the relationship was real.
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  Speaker 1: If the listening was a skill she learned, and could
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  Speaker 1: switch on for the next dealership, the relationship was also, somehow,
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  Speaker 1: real enough. The book needs those two things to be
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  Speaker 1: the same, and it never proves they are. If this
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  Speaker 1: kind of thinking is useful to you, the kind that
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  Speaker 1: slows a book down instead of speeding through it, follow
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. No quick summaries. Books taken seriously. Things almost
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  Speaker 1: always are equal. Blount wrote it as an aside, the
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  Speaker 1: way you would mention the weather. Read it again once
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  Speaker 1: the book is over, and it sounds less like weather
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  Speaker 1: and more like the terms of the job. When everything
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  Speaker 1: else is the same, the thing being sold is you.
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  Speaker 1: He called that the secret. It is also the price.