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The Late Debate | 22 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: General, Welcome to the Wake de Base. Good evening and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond with Frei Leitch
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  Speaker 1: and filling in for James McPherson this week, Holly Hughes.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up tonight. There's a rap group from Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: They're Mormons. I know that sounds odd, but bear with me.
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  Speaker 1: They've never been able to perform in Sydney till now
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  Speaker 1: because their lyrics glorify gang violence and some of the
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  Speaker 1: group's members were jailed for violent crimes. But after their
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  Speaker 1: first show in their hometown, a Sydney councilor wants the
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  Speaker 1: Lord Mayor to ask police by so many of them
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  Speaker 1: monitor the performance. God Marty in the papers Ripper and
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  Speaker 1: the Courier Mail. Parents are being asked to pay to
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  Speaker 1: take their kids' artworks home from a childcare center to
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  Speaker 1: help cover debts. You won't believe just how much money
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  Speaker 1: they want. And later we found the dopiest dope of
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  Speaker 1: the day that we will probably ever feature. You can
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  Speaker 1: see him there on the screen. He was released from
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  Speaker 1: the overnight cells and then he stole a police car
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  Speaker 1: straight away or details about that soon, but let's start
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  Speaker 1: in Melbourne tonight where else where you know, it's every
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  Speaker 1: passing day there's a story that proves Victoria has turned
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  Speaker 1: into a failed state. So exhibit five hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 1: two we have for you comes from approximately three pm
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  Speaker 1: yesterday in Elizabeth Street. You can see the vision here
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  Speaker 1: of a woman at a shop called G Studio. You
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  Speaker 1: can see her breaking in, knocking down the front door
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  Speaker 1: of this luxury clothing shop there. She then walks in.
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  Speaker 1: One of the staff members gets injured. In the process
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  Speaker 1: of all of this, She's steals thousands of dollars worth
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  Speaker 1: of clothes and bags and jewelry. You can see it,
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  Speaker 1: just ransacking through the place. She then walks out onto
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  Speaker 1: the street and by this time there's a big crowd.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's Elizabeth Street, it's the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: Melbourne Sea. But at three pm on a Sunday, and
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  Speaker 1: by the way, these days the weekend is when the
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  Speaker 1: Melbourne CBD is at its busiest, so there are people
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  Speaker 1: just watching this woman ransack the joint. She walks out
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  Speaker 1: and continues up the street and as far as I'm aware,
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  Speaker 1: the police still haven't found it. The last we saw
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  Speaker 1: today is that the Victorian Police said they were investigating this,
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  Speaker 1: which is just extraordinary. It tells you how bad things
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  Speaker 1: have become in Melbourne that not only does this happen
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the day with seeming impunity. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know whether this woman was affected
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  Speaker 1: by something. Look, you've got to have something going on
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  Speaker 1: to be able to knock a door down with your
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  Speaker 1: bare hands and feet, I have to say as a woman,
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  Speaker 1: particularly at three pm in the afternoon. But the fact
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  Speaker 1: that that's where we've hit now, and there's been a
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  Speaker 1: massive increase in violent crime in the Melbourne see but
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  Speaker 1: in a nearly thirty percent increase, you've got shops and
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  Speaker 1: retail groups reporting that theft is the worst it's ever been.
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  Speaker 1: Something's got to give.
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  Speaker 2: Look and if you actually look at that vision and
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  Speaker 2: you kind of get closer in on it, she's either
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  Speaker 2: got a tattoo around her ankle or an ankle brak.
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  Speaker 2: I did wonder about that, and I wonder whether the
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  Speaker 2: police might have a bit of a look at that
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  Speaker 2: and see whether that might help them track her down
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  Speaker 2: a little bit faster, because perhaps there's some beeping going
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  Speaker 2: on at a police station somewhere. If she's in breach
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  Speaker 2: of those distances where you're allowed to go under ankle
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  Speaker 2: bracelet protections.
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  Speaker 3: So we do know in Victoria they do love a
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  Speaker 3: five kilometer radius at any given moment. I'm sure that
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  Speaker 3: there's only a limited space.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that Victorians were just prepared to stand
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  Speaker 2: by and take video footage while that occurred, there was
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  Speaker 2: a girl injured in the store and no action was taken,
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  Speaker 2: And you've got to think, did anyone call the police?
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  Speaker 2: Did anyone call an ambulance whilst they were videoing and
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  Speaker 2: watching this that's now been shared and viewed hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: thousands of time on social media.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's my question. Why was everyone just standing around
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  Speaker 4: a Sure she looked crazy, Sure she was on she
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  Speaker 4: could have been on drugs, who knows, But there were
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  Speaker 4: enough people there who could detain her. I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 4: not in Victoria. I don't know what kind of men
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  Speaker 4: they breed down there, but you'd think I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 4: there were a lot of people standing around, and I
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  Speaker 4: think it just shows you how little loyalty people feel
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  Speaker 4: nowadays to those around them. Remember the footage from a
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  Speaker 4: couple weeks ago of Arena Zurutzka on the train in
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  Speaker 4: the United States and she got stabbed in the neck
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  Speaker 4: and there were people around, and one woman just walked
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  Speaker 4: off and left her and she died on the floor
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  Speaker 4: of a train alone. Took a full minute for anyone
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  Speaker 4: to come help her. And I fear crime has become
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  Speaker 4: so normalized in Victoria. This has become just another day
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  Speaker 4: in the Melbourne CBD, people don't even feel like they
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  Speaker 4: need to step in, or they go, what's the point
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  Speaker 4: of putting myself in danger when they're probably gonna lock
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  Speaker 4: this woman up and then she'll get released on bail
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  Speaker 4: the next day and go do the same thing exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's the point is it's indicative of
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  Speaker 1: you know, people go, oh jeez, this is happening again, right.
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  Speaker 1: I think, particularly in Melbourne nice ispect people have been
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  Speaker 1: desensitized to this kind of thing, and there is this
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  Speaker 1: almost bystander attitude now where you just know, we'll whip
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  Speaker 1: the phone out and take some footage for posterity, because
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  Speaker 1: that's just what everyone does. And I know Elizabeth Street
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  Speaker 1: in Melbourne quite well, and many of you at home
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  Speaker 1: would know. I lived in Melbourne for nearly two years
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  Speaker 1: and the intersection in particular of Elizabeth Street and Flinders Street, Like,
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  Speaker 1: if you've spent any time down there, it is just
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  Speaker 1: full of vagrants and junkies and there's litter everywhere. It's
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  Speaker 1: not a particularly nice place. So if you spend any
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  Speaker 1: time on Elizabeth Street, you just knin't of get used
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  Speaker 1: to seeing people that you really wish weren't there, but
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  Speaker 1: you just know they're going to be there, and you
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  Speaker 1: almost put the blinkers on and forget that it's even happening.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise you'd be walking around and watching your back all
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  Speaker 1: the time, and you just sort of get used to
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  Speaker 1: it eventually. So I suppose it's only the logical conclusion
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  Speaker 1: of that phenomenon that when you then see someone on
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Street knocking the door of a shop down, you go, well,
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  Speaker 1: I suppose it's Litherbus Street there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess also, you know, the way Victoria works
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  Speaker 2: is you'd probably be the end end.
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  Speaker 3: Up arrested, and that's right.
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  Speaker 2: You tried to do anything to apprehend them, and they
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  Speaker 2: probably charge you with salt whilst trying to stop this
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  Speaker 2: crazy person.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, why don't we talk about alicta tobacco one of
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  Speaker 1: your one of my favorite topics, also one of yours.
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  Speaker 2: I just the mind boggles at how this ongoing stupidity
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  Speaker 2: is allowed to continue. So when Mark Butler was a
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  Speaker 2: junior Health minister, we had Nicola Roxon bring in plane
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  Speaker 2: packaging of cigarettes and that was going to change access
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  Speaker 2: to the tobacco market. And we've seen now Mark Butler
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  Speaker 2: come in as Health Minister consistently increasing this excise and
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  Speaker 2: new excis has just gone on which has now pushed
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  Speaker 2: cigaret burettes outside of what an economist would call the
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  Speaker 2: market elsticity in the supplying of mind, in the area
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  Speaker 2: of where that price point hits.
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  Speaker 3: Smoking rates aren't changing.
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  Speaker 2: Smoking rates have hit exactly where the price point was
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  Speaker 2: ever going to get them to their lowest point. The
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  Speaker 2: people that still want to go on buy a Winni
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  Speaker 2: Blue are going to go buy a Winni Blue regardless
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  Speaker 2: of price. But what we're saying because of these price
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  Speaker 2: pushing companies, organized crime is taking over this sector. The
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  Speaker 2: black market has been allowed to flourish. But of course
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  Speaker 2: this government picks out of the Health Department one of
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  Speaker 2: its czars who's one of the anti tobacco zealots that
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  Speaker 2: higher cost at all costs when it comes to cigarettes,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, these are the people who don't believe adults
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  Speaker 2: should be able to make their own personal choice that
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  Speaker 2: they you know, if they really feel that way, they
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  Speaker 2: should just make it illegal. But saying that this literally
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  Speaker 2: isn't the problem. The price isn't the problem. But we're
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  Speaker 2: seeing now that the convenience stores that were convenience stores
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  Speaker 2: that were on the corner, genuinely run businesses have lost
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  Speaker 2: so much revenue from the sale of elicit tobacco and
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  Speaker 2: organized crimes being allowed to flourish and flourish, yet nothing
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  Speaker 2: is being done.
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  Speaker 1: So this woman, she's the illicit tobacco and e cigarette Commissioner.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know such a role existed. I learned today
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  Speaker 1: her name. But her name is Amber. I'm probably going
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  Speaker 1: to butcher her surname, so please forgive me. Amber Shuhita
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  Speaker 1: is the best go I'm going to have better than
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  Speaker 1: I would have done. Hy Tall, You probably could have
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  Speaker 1: used a ruder version of that. But she says, and
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  Speaker 1: this is in the price is one of the most
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  Speaker 1: effective tools for reducing smoking prevalence. That's well established. At
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I recognize that large price gaps can
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  Speaker 1: be exploited. So she's talking about the fact that the
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  Speaker 1: tax has driven the price so high. The evidence in
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  Speaker 1: front of me suggests the threat of serious and organized
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  Speaker 1: crime is driven by a complex mix of factors beyond price,
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  Speaker 1: and that changing the exercise rate would not necessarily be
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  Speaker 1: effective into two in criminal networks ongoing involvement in the
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  Speaker 1: tobacco market. Now, she may well be right from one perspective,
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  Speaker 1: which is that it has now become so far gone
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  Speaker 1: that if you reduce the tax it may shrink the
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  Speaker 1: illegal market. It's not going to get rid of the
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  Speaker 1: illegal market. But surely if you are the illegal cigarette
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  Speaker 1: and Ease Cigarette commissioner, you should be able to acknowledge
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  Speaker 1: that the whole reason we've ended up here in the
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  Speaker 1: first place is because of the higher tax. She now
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  Speaker 1: says we're on the front foot of breaking the business model.
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  Speaker 1: Have your walk down a main street anytime recently. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we're on the front foot of this, And
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't seem to even realize what the cause is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think you have to do both.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: You have to look at the tax because obviously it
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  Speaker 4: is so high. Why would anyone not go to elicit tobacco?
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  Speaker 4: To be honest, cigarettes are so expensive.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to get the cost of living crisis,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to afford your electricity bill, You've got to
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  Speaker 2: get the cost of your fags down.
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  Speaker 4: It is true. But on the other hand, until around
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  Speaker 4: July here in New South Wales, it was health bureaucrats
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  Speaker 4: who were policing tobacco. A handful of bureaucrats trying to
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  Speaker 4: police thousands of tobacconists across the state. Now, when you're
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  Speaker 4: dealing with organized crime, that should really be a job
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  Speaker 4: left to the police, not some bureaucrats in Sydney to
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  Speaker 4: do so. I think you have to do both. You
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  Speaker 4: have to do the enforcement side, but you also have
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  Speaker 4: to look at the tax and ultimately I think it's
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  Speaker 4: about changing the risk reward ratio. Right now, there's zero
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  Speaker 4: risk for these organized criminals. Why would they go out
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  Speaker 4: and sell hard drugs when they can sell elicit tobacco
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  Speaker 4: openly on the street and face very little punishment And
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  Speaker 4: then the reward is all upside. So if you make
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  Speaker 4: enforcement better, then you make it riskier put in tougher penalties.
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  Speaker 4: But also, yes, removing demand by cutting the tax wild
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  Speaker 4: be good.
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  Speaker 1: The feeds need to be made to pay for the
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  Speaker 1: enforcement though, because it is through the tax that they've
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  Speaker 1: caused this great market. And then the states, as you say,
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  Speaker 1: like in New South Wales, you've got these brewer craps
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  Speaker 1: that were previously responsible for it, which was fine because
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  Speaker 1: they didn't really have anything to deal with. And then
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  Speaker 1: the federal government come through and says, oh, back at
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  Speaker 1: a dari's cost, you're fifty bucks now, and so the
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  Speaker 1: gang say, okay, well we'll sell them for twenty or
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  Speaker 1: fifteen or ten even in some places. All of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden they've got a big problem to deal with, so
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  Speaker 1: you've got to send the coppers in. But the coppers
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  Speaker 1: are stretched doing other things as well, So if the
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  Speaker 1: feeds want to jack up the tax and make money
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  Speaker 1: out of that, they should hand that money straight to
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  Speaker 1: the States and say okay, well now you can go
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  Speaker 1: and deal with the problem. But it's unfair as it is.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to go back a step further too. This
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  Speaker 2: is all coming in through our boarders.
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  Speaker 3: So Border force, do.
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  Speaker 2: We want them cracking down on illegal firearms and guns
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  Speaker 2: and other sorts of contraband coming into this country, or
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  Speaker 2: do we want them checking every.
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  Speaker 3: Container for illicit cigarettes?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys a finite amount of money and
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  Speaker 2: a final amount.
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  Speaker 3: Of resources for border force.
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  Speaker 2: And where do we want our preference to be picking
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  Speaker 2: up the illegal cigarettes or picking up the guns or
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  Speaker 2: whatever are the contraband that could have serious detrimental consequences
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  Speaker 2: for Australians outside that choose to have a cigarette.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but on the point you raised, Caleb, that's kind
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  Speaker 4: of the problem with federalism, which is that the federal
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  Speaker 4: government makes decisions, but it's often the state governments that
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  Speaker 4: have to pay for them. Federal government opens the borders
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  Speaker 4: to millions of migrants, it's the state governments that have
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  Speaker 4: to provide all the infrastructure.
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  Speaker 1: I've sometimes argued we should go back to the pre
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  Speaker 1: war arrangements of the states living income and you know,
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  Speaker 1: let's say a bit of competitive federalism, and.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the competition our country sorely needs. But
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  Speaker 4: how about this. We often bring you some stories of
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  Speaker 4: cuckoo councils, and today the City of Melbourne did not
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  Speaker 4: disappoint one resident of South Yarra. Toby Ralph or his
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  Speaker 4: wife parked in these saying car parking spot she'd been
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  Speaker 4: parking in for years, got a ticket, did everything right
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  Speaker 4: and then she got fined. According to the council parking inspector,
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  Speaker 4: it was because she was obstructing the footpath. But here's
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  Speaker 4: the thing about the park. It's half on the road,
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  Speaker 4: it's half on the footpath that is the designated parking spot.
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  Speaker 4: She parked in the correct spot, yet she was still
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  Speaker 4: fined by the council for obstructing the foot path.
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  Speaker 1: You can see the parking the sign there that has
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  Speaker 1: you know, two P or whatever it directly behind that,
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  Speaker 1: like that is a park.
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  Speaker 4: That is a parking spot. The council has a sign
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  Speaker 4: there saying it is a parking spot. She parked in
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  Speaker 4: the park, and yet they still find her and then
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  Speaker 4: they appealed the fine to the council. Council said, nope,
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  Speaker 4: that's correct. You've obstructed the footpath even though you were
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  Speaker 4: parking in a legitimate spot. And it was only after
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  Speaker 4: the Herald sign raised questions that they backed down. How
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  Speaker 4: crazy is that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's typical the things that they will try
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  Speaker 1: to get away with.
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  Speaker 2: You just had a discussion about competitive states and federalism.
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  Speaker 2: Councils see you later, like, oh yeah, people are whelmingly
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  Speaker 2: nuts and they are run by people who make this
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  Speaker 2: crazy stuff up, try to do ridiculous revenue raising who
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  Speaker 2: focus on issues that have nothing to do with what
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  Speaker 2: their responsibilities are. And then you have counselors like the
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  Speaker 2: Green Skuy on the Northern Beaches racking up thirty two
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars even expenses like no, thank you, we do
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  Speaker 2: not need you people anymore and you're crazy. Roads raids
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  Speaker 2: rubbish and you can't even manage to get the roads right.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they need to put these fins out to
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  Speaker 1: pay for people like that to go off to climate
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  Speaker 1: conferences and these sorts of things. I mean so often
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  Speaker 1: I deal when I was a local government reporter with
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  Speaker 1: stories like this, where you know, someone to get a
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  Speaker 1: fine that was unjust store or you know that they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get I'd have people would write to me and say,
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  Speaker 1: I live in a housing trust or in u South
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  Speaker 1: walesa called housing commission I don't want to see in
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  Speaker 1: other parts of the country, and they'd say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a light or something in a common area that
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  Speaker 1: they just refuse to replace, and so I'd send a
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  Speaker 1: note off and it'd be fixed within half an hour
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  Speaker 1: because once they hear that the meal all the media
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  Speaker 1: is going to do something about all. We better go
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  Speaker 1: and fix it. Now. It's amazing the power we can wield,
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  Speaker 1: But the reality is we shouldn't have to wield that
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  Speaker 1: power like it shouldn't take a journalist to call up
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  Speaker 1: a council to say, like someone has legitimately parked in
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  Speaker 1: a parking spot, they don't deserve a parking fine. This
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  Speaker 1: is what they will try to do to you when
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  Speaker 1: they think they can get away with it. And try
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  Speaker 1: this one on for size. I spoke briefly about it
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  Speaker 1: at the top of the show. But Sydney City Council
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  Speaker 1: is a councilor called Jess Miller, and she's put up
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  Speaker 1: a motion that is going to be debated by the
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  Speaker 1: Sydney City Council this week saying that Clovermore, the Lord
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  Speaker 1: Mayor of Sydney, should write to the police to ask
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  Speaker 1: why they monitored so closely a rap group's performance. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what perview that the council has over this.
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  Speaker 1: And the mob is called One four. I'm assuming, like me,
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  Speaker 1: you hadn't heard of them until today. They don't play
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  Speaker 1: this stuff on the lunchtime concert on Classic FM. But
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  Speaker 1: here's a bit of one four one four was too active.
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  Speaker 5: It was still urging to find They're in the field
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  Speaker 5: cost and I guarantee you I'm working my crew, still
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  Speaker 5: in the trap, flip of backs, this and that word
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  Speaker 5: as one as even my hold. How can they run
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  Speaker 5: love without tacks?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. A parents called drill rap again,
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  Speaker 1: don't ask me what that is anyway. So this mob
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  Speaker 1: they're from Sydney, they're from Mountain Drewitt. They're Mormons. Apparently
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  Speaker 1: they met at the local church and set out this
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  Speaker 1: musical group. And they've effectively been banned from performing in
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  Speaker 1: Sydney for years because a lot of what they sing
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  Speaker 1: about is his gang crime and biking violence, all this
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  Speaker 1: sort of stuff. So the police have basically prevented them
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  Speaker 1: from being able to perform a number of them have
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  Speaker 1: spent time in the slammer for violent crime themselves. They
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  Speaker 1: finally get to have a performance in Sydney. By the way,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: last year someone had put out a hit on these guys,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: like wanted to have them killed. So they get to
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: have a performance in Sydney, and so the police go,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: we might just monitor it closely and make sure nothing
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: goes awry. And this stupid Jess Miller. Woman wants the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Lord Mayor to ride off to the police and say
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: how deep you monitor this performance? And by the way,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: she says to the Mayor, the Lord me must say
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that it was an inclusive performance. What are they spending
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: their time on?
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: It is truly hilarious. And this counselor in her speech
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: about this bill, she cided, you know this egregious over policing.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: They had twenty five police officers, a dog squad, a
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: riot squad, and they searched every single attendee. I think
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: that tells you more of the rappers and the attendees
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: then it does about the police. That's just the police
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: looking out for the rest of the general public. And
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: you heard the music. A lot of it is veiled
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: references to all sorts of illicit activity they have served
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: jail time. And for her to then congratulate them on
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: an inclusive performance, inclusive to who, inclusive of what, all
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: sorts of things that are banned by the Lord, it's crazy.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Holy Look, I got nothing.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: And as I say, you've got to learn something every day,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: and today I learned what drill rap was. And it
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: will not be hitting my Spotify playlist anytime soon.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think it'll be appearing on minor that
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest. While we're talking about councils as well,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and this has happened across the border. I think a
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: lot of the energy retailers do it now and basically
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: everyone but councils are joining in too. Is if you
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: want to be sent a paper bill in the mail,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: they charge you a sir charge for doing so. And
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: one that popped up today and has got people hot
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: under the collar in Queensland is Redland City Council near Brisbane,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: where they now want to charge you a dollar seventy
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: per rates. Notice they send you with the mail, so
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: over the year that's seven bucks. You might go, well,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: it it's only a dollar seventy You pop seven bucks.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Who really gives a toss? But isn't it the reality
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: that we pay these councils through the nose, and the
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: energy company, and the gas company and the power of
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the phone company whoever else, is right, we pay them
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: through the nose for a service We are paying for
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: the service already. And then they turn around and go, well,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: if you prefer to have your bill written down on
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: a piece of paper, which a lot of people, all
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of viewers at home, and people get you know, they
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: probably don't have a computer or a smartphone or whatever.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: They still operate in a paper world. There's nothing wrong
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: with that, by the way. And they want to tell them, oh,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you've got to pay a dollar seventy for it. Don't
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: we already pay enough?
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Well, I think we do already pay enough.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: There is nothing more satisfying than actually writing paid and
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the date of when you do that on the old
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: paper bills.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: That you used to get for everything.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: But you know, you write the elderly and people who
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: aren't particularly computer literate and probably put me in.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: That category sometimes. But you know, things go to junk mail.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: And you and I were talking about earlier about a
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: bill that I got for eighty eight cents, you know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: one of those silly ones that turns up, but one.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Of those silly ones you get in your own horse.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: A very small amount of a horse, like a couple of.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Hairs on its mind.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: But the bill was for eighty eight cents, but the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: late feet was twelve dollars.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: But it had actually accidentally gone to my junk file.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And so you know, a lot of these people would
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: know where to look for these things. And because Redland
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: City Council might not be something at the top of
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: your pops or a few other things as well, you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: people are potentially going to end up with more than
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: just the dollar seventy because they don't find it, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: then you win. I mean, everyone's emailing box, I'm assuming
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: looks like mine and is just trying to find stuff
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: is extraordinary and they get lost and it's not a
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: deliberate attempt to not pay.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: The bill, you just can't find it again.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean I think this is nothing short
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: of attacks on the vulnerable and attacks on the elderly.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: It's going to be elderly people who don't have everything
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: hooked up to their emails and vulnerable people who probably
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: can't afford to have everything hooked up to their email,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: and they're the ones that are going to have to
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: pay Holly.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, It's way too much for these elderly
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: people and others in our community to have to fund
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: just to get something on a piece of paper. But
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: moving overseas now, and I'm sure many many of you
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: have spent some time having a look at what occurred
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: at the memorial for Charlie Kirk. There was around one
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand people attending a visual and memorial and they
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: ranged from Donald Trump to perhaps the most poignant speech
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of the day from Eric Kirk, Charlie, Charlie Kirk's wife.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: It was just the most extraordinary celebration of not only
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: his life and the work that he had done, but
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: also faith and the conservative movement and how what has
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: happened since, particularly his assassination, his murder. You haven't seen violence,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: you haven't seen riots. You've seen people come together in
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: prayer and supporting each other. And it was incredible today
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to watch and see so many of those Americans and
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: people from all around the world come and all across
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the political spectrum to mark the life of Charlie Kirk.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: On the cross.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: Our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for they not know
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: what they do.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: That man, that young man, I forgive him.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Can you just imagine the strength that that took for
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: her to stand up and give that speech and to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: forgive the young man who took the life of her
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: husband and the father of her to young children. Just
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: absolutely heartbreaking. But I think you know some of the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: other comments that were made and what we saw from
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: people who weren't Charlie's friends were probably what really drove
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: home the importance of his message that it's.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Not about disagreeing is a bad thing.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: It's about debating and discussing and finding either a middle
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: ground or accepting the ability to acknowledge that maybe you're
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: not always going to agree. But it doesn't have to
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: be around violence. It can always be about conversation and debate.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: So it was an incredible memorial, and I have no
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: doubt we're going to see Turning Point USA grow into
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: a much bigger organization than it probably is at the moment.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: International ath.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine having the grace to stand there in
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: front of a crowd, you know, and barely a week
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: or two weeks after your husband's been shot neck and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: say I forgive the guy. I mean, you couldn't drag
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: those words out of my mouth, to be perfectly honest,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you know. And as you would have probably seen as well,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Trump talked about one of the great things about Charlie
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Kirk was that, you know, he didn't wish ill will
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: upon his opponents, and Trump said, well, I don't feel
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the same way.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Erica, I.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Know, I know which which was, you know, an interesting
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: point to make in light of what Kirk worked for
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and what his wife talked about, because so many of
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: us would say, yea bagrin, you know, he should be
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: put to a firing squad and all this sort of stuff,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you know, to stand up and make that message I
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: forgive him so powerful in terms of what all of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: this has meant and what happened to her husband, which
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: was a terribly violent moment.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. Well, I think it was an example, probably
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: the most powerful we've seen on the world stage in
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: decades of true Christian faith being lived out publicly and openly.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: And you think about the Lord's prayer forgive us our
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: sins as we forgive those who sin against us. I mean,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: that is core Christian doctrine. Each of us are sinners,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: each of us are separated from God by our sins.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: But He sent his son to die for us, so
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: we have forgiveness and eternal life with him, and we
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: have to extend that to other people, even when it's
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: incredibly hard. And it makes me think of Ian Wilkinson
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: in the Aaron Patterson case, a pastor who forgave her
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: for killing his wife, and he was also a Christian
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: and so I think it's made me certainly reflect on
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: my own faith and I am a Christian, but seeing
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: that lived out so publicly, I mean, it's just it
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: moves your soul, It really does.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I have to say as well. Van Jones from Seeing
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and who's someone that I've been critical of recently for
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: comments which he made about that poor woman who was
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: stabbed Ukrainian woman who was stabbed in the United States,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and you know, basically said I think he was the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: one that said, hurt people, hurt people, wasn't it right?
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: You know, he made very odd comments about that case.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: So I've had my issues with him recently. But I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: have to say that a video he put out today
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to coincide with the memorial service, if you haven't already
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: seen it again, encapsulate everything that Kirk stood for and
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: have someone of the left like Van Jones saying, let's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: dial this down a minute and talk about what's really
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: going on here. I think is really powerful here.
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: He is probably Kak and I with my friends at all.
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: In fact, the last week of his life we were
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: beef and beefing online, beefing on air. But the day
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: before he died, he did something that shocked me. He
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: sent me a personal message and calling for personal dialogue,
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: wanted me to come on the show. He said we
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: can be gentlemen together. He said we could deal with
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: our disagreements agreeably. And in the past week and a half,
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: just wat should people talk about civil wars and censorship
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: and all this stuff coming out of his death. I
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: just thought it was important to let people know, don't
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: put that on Charlie Kirk, because the last day of
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: his life he was reaching out to have not more censorship,
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: more conversation.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: You know what. I think that just about says it all.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Now we have the Brownlow count in. I'm sure if
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you're an NFL fan you've been hanging on for it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Matt Rowe from the Gold Coast Suns has won the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Brownlow with thirty seven votes. Nick Daikos has come in
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: second at twenty nine, and he's got two more one
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: vote games in his last two games, so thirty nine
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: votes he goes to there, which is a pretty convincing
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: win for the year.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Very very exciting. Congratulations. Let's move on now. Another news
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: poll out and the coalition's primary vote has plunged even
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: further to new historic lows it is now twenty nine percent. Now, interestingly,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: the core demographics that moves away were men, were young people,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: and were really all of the Eastern States. So what's
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: interesting is under Dutton, about forty percent of men and
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: thirty eight percent of women voted for the Coalition on
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: the primary vote. That gap has now closed, So I
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: guess you know that's actually one positive thing for the coalition.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: No more women's problem, right, everyone dislikes them equally, No, no.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: No, I think some inside the Liberal Party are trying
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: to reinforce that message.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: And so yeah, just absolutely dismal result. And among young
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: people eighteen to thirty the primary vote you can see
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: on your screen there is down to eighteen percent. Labor
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: and the Greens together have an overwhelming majority of the
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: youth vote now, which is just incredible. So, Holly, you've
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: been in the Federal Parliament, you know what it's like
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: being on the inside of the political I would say,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: what's wrong.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: With your generation people? What is going on both of
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you here? What is can you not see what is
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: happening to this country? It's absolutely I mean I'm tearing
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: my hair out now from the outside. I do have
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: a number of feelings about where this is going. And
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the first one is Susan Lee was elected Labor and
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: there's an element both within the media and within the
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: party who've been determined to pull her down since day one.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And whether you think the Liberal Party has a real
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: or perceived women problem, the actions and behavior of some
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: people and the commentary around her and her ladyship and
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: not even giving her a chance, I don't think he's
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: going to do anything to help that. So we made
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: very well see that women vote problem come back.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: In to play.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: But net zero and some of this debate around it
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: ain't going very well for the coalition. So the rule
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: in politics generally is change the conversation. And I've been
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: really disappointed. I held a shadow ministry going into the
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: previous election. I had submitted costed policies that disappeared into
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: the ether. That was the shadow erc Other shadow ministers
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: told me they have policies that they had submitted. Why
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the coalition is not actually trying to change the conversation
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: And look at some of this lower hanging fruit.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Look at childcare.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: People do not want to send their kids to childcare centers,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: and we are seeing more and more and there's another
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: story out today about abuse or mistreatment of children in childcita.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Why not have a policy that childcare subsidies get paid
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: direct to the parents. Why not have a look or
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: opener discussion about giving parents and families choice about how
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: they raised their children rather than forcing them through into
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: a childcare system. But none of these conversations are being held.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: This government wants to spend almost seven hundred million dollars
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: on developing an online mental health program. As soon as
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: government starts to develop something, you know it's not going
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: to work. You know it's going to be a disaster,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: and you know it's going to cost a lot more.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: But yet no one is talking about this. Yes, Susan's
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the lad but there's a big team behind well.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Actually a bit of a smallest diminished good.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Diminishing behind it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: But where are they?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Why are they not out front and center on some
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: of them?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Use there are no policies they've committed to know there.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Were, but there were cost of policies that were submitted,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And I hope and I don't know whether this has happened,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: but quite frankly, every single shadow minister that's there and
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I handed all of mine over to the new shadow
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Minister with Mental Health and suicide prevention and.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Said, there you go.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: There's five costed work them through all of those policies
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: that were never announced.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: They should be out there going. Look they're a good
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: one that cost much. But the problem the work's done,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: but it's more for that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Susan committed the party to some sort of long process
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: where everything is on the table.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. Come to the policy that
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I put a for men's mental health. Does anyone want to.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Say that's a bad idea.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: A lot of work's being done and it's now just
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, sitting in someone indible and no one
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: is doing anything unless they start to move the dial
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: on the conversation. These numbers are not going to move.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And as long as you've got a few personalities out
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: there sproaking their own future leadership ambitions and pushing into
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: one direction, which I'm going to explain the electoral voting
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: system for you that you don't need to get out
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the vote. It's compulsory voting and compulsory preferential people.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: So just remember that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: But if these people want to keep pushing and undermining
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Susan from the beginning, these numbers aren't going to go
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: anywhere anyway.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: If they've got to come up and there's the lesson,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: they've got to come up with policy. If you've got
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: nothing to sell, there's nothing to buy, right, But who's
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: going to go? Oh yes, yes, I really like what
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the coalition is doing that they're not doing anything about anything.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: They don't believe anything about anything. Eighteen percent of eighteen
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: to thirty four year olds. What are they offering to
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: young people? Nothing? What are they offering on housing? Nothing?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: What are they offering on migration? Nothing? Nothing, nothing, nothing.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think the problem is you can't start
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: offering minute policies until you work through the bigger philosophical
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: divisions that are ripping the party apart.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: So I don't think the values have changed. Well, but
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: like you.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Need people to kind of gilities.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Small government, less regulation, these things haven't changed. I mean
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: we've got Andrew Hasty now basically calling to bring back
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a nationalized carmaking industry.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm all.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: For more industry and smelting, you know, having smelled and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: different concrete industries in this country. I don't think we're
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: getting a car industry back now.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But I think he's pointing out what we lost in
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the national.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Capacity for a few of these eighteen to thirty four's
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: were born, they don't even remember it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean we shouldn't.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Look at Yeah, and the same people slamming him for
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: that are the same people that want us to spend
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: billions of dollars subsidizing renewables, and I.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Don't agree with their minor. I don't think that's good either.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: The one thing I will say though, that the Labor
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Party is not completely stupid on how big that election
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: victory was because the Labor President waste one of course.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Who remember former Treasurer did say our victory this year
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: was wide but shallow, and a small drop in our
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: primary vote in a national election could see the loss
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: of a large number of seats. It's worth remembering in
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two he recorded the lowest primary vote since
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four. So, yes, the primary is low for
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the coalition now, but the primaries are low for major
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: part is in general, and if that continues then they're
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: both going to be in a lot of travel long term.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: After the break, we'll get into the paper's extraordinary story
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  Speaker 1: on the front of the courier mail about you've got
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  Speaker 1: to pay, apparently at one childcare center if you want
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  Speaker 1: to take home your kids' artwork, huge amount of money.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to that, quick message from Freyer.
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  Speaker 1: Bradio, let's get into the papers. Cracker tomorrow, Holly on
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  Speaker 1: the front of the courier.
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  Speaker 2: Mate, and look, I think they've gone to the more
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: extreme end. But I do in some way understand. But
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  Speaker 2: there is a childcare center that is charging parents in
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  Speaker 2: this where it's too up to twenty two hundred dollars
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  Speaker 2: for their children's artworks.
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  Speaker 3: Now, for those of us that have children, I still have.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Beautiful framed pictures of my kids drew as mum that
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: were always sent home as part of the mother's day
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: activities that the kids took place in And I must
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: admit it from when I was certainly at school and
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: you know, Mum would pull out the bit of butcher
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  Speaker 2: paper at the bottom of the school bag. It's now
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: a much higher quality that they do with the art
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: and they put them into the books and the leave
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: them as the real keepsake for the kids. But get
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: twenty two hundred bucks to take your kid's art work home,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I think he's a bit rich.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, I loved the tea towels.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Our kids used to do a picture of themselves and
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: we'd get a tea towel, and unfortunately mine all that
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: it's all faded, and I nearly want to ring our
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: preschool to get it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: But yeah, twenty two hundred bucks for kids' artwork.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Probabs not But this is just extreme. The article says
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: that the child care center called the police on a
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: mother who took her child's art work home and they
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: reported it as a break and enter. I mean, what
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: in the contract for this child gas center said anything
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: your child produces is the property of the child.
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  Speaker 2: I think the child I'd be right exactly, child has
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I pay rights on that finger painting.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like some employment of contexts I've read. I like,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell twenty two hundred dollars if you think
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, if the child cares seem to said
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  Speaker 1: we're going to pay market you've got to pay market
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  Speaker 1: value for it fair enough, because it'll be about fifty cents.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Then the child be paying parents to take When there's
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: little calebs running around doing finger painting, they will be
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: priceless too.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Well, they're priceless to you, but they don't have any
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: market value, is all I'm saying. If the childcare seem
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: to reckons, they can go and hop one of these
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: things down at the local art shop or the auctioneer
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: or whatever. For twenty two hundred dollars go for your life. Well,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: give it a go, try and sell them, and let's
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: see what.
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  Speaker 4: I mean looking at some of those artworks. That's kind
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: of the stuff the Museum of Contemporary Art pits up
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: all the time, and probably more sophisticated as well, so
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: they might actually have a case there. But in the
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Daily Telegraph tomorrow the headline is hip hip Hamas Opposition
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  Speaker 4: leader Susan Lee has written to US Republican politicians to
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  Speaker 4: reassure them the Albanesi government's controversial recognition of the state
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: of Palestine does not enjoy bipartisan support. As Terra Group
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Hamas celebrated the move as a victory. Australia joined the UK,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Canada and Portugal informally recognizing a Palestinian state shortly after
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi arrived in New York ahead of
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: the United Nations General Assembly. Senior Hamas official Mahmod Mador
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: labeled the moves as a victory, seeing these developments represent
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: the justice of our cause and send the clear message
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: no matter how far the occupation goes in its crimes,
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: it will never be able to erase our national rights
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: that you just love Hammas praising you while the US
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: criticizes you. You must be on the wrong side of history.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: But I do commend Susan on writing to the Republicans.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: That's a good moveaps, and there's.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Probably real potential here to form some kind of a
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: relationship given our national relationship is in tatters. Clearly they
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: don't want anything to do with Albo. This could give
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Susan a good edge.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I thought it was interesting today Albanezi made
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the comment with regards to Netanyahu's commentary, not all Israelis
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: agree with Benjamin nettin Niahu.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Well, here's a tip elbow.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Not all Australians agree with you, And I think their
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: willingness to recognize a Palestinian state that doesn't even exist
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: to reward Hamas for terrorist activities, I would suggest a
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: lot of Australians don't agree with that.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Well, there was a poll in the SMH recently that
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't a total number who disagree, but it was something
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: like nearly half of people said they didn't agree, and
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: there was another twenty five percent that said like it
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: wouldn't change anything. So essentially seventy five percent of the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: country doesn't really see any value at all in doing this.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I think that probably answers it. But you know, when
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: you have to send your position leader into try and
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: pop up mess for goodness, it's an embarrassment.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Also in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, super net zero insult.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: This is an exclusive by our friend James Willis, who
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: was on the Late Debate with us last week. A
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: sixty two billion dollar government pension scheme is bankrolling net
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: zero projects in their bruising battle against farmers in regional Australia.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: The Commonwealth Superannuation Corporation's investment has angered operators of a
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: veteran's charity, who say it will undermine their work. I mean,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: that's pretty bad for your own government pension scheme to
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: be funding the battle against our states farmers.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: That's just wrong kind of makes it. I'm not unsurprised.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: It's a typical open you're around that.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: You're the federal government and you've got your hands on
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: all this money and you can invest it in projects
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that you want to invest in. Why wouldn't you do it?
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Well, they're right now.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: It's all their pet projects and as long as they're
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: paying for net zero destroying agriculture and rule and regional
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: communities to appeace their inner city woke lefties.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what they're going to do.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And that's basically what they want all the industry super
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: funds to do as well. On the front of The
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Australian Tomorrow, it says critical checks Optus ignored. And this is,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: of course, so one of the big stories that's been
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: floating around since the weekend. Optics failed to follow a
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: basic list of checks that other telcos perform, including dialing
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: triple zero themselves during routine upgrades to ensure Australians can
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: continue to call emergency services, sparking a fatal outage comes
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: as Optus's owner, Singtel has dispatched its chief technical officer,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: George Fernandez to Australia to help steer the telco through
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: its network crisis and determine what triggered the meltdown, which
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: has been linked to three deaths. Where do you begin,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: like basic things like dialing the number. They didn't even
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Look, it's just extraordinary and I think, you know, I've
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: been really thinking about.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: This, you know, and how it could get to it.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: The internetal call centers are obviously played a role because
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: a number of the phone calls have gone through to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: international call centers. But you know, in America you do
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: on nine one one. I think it's triple one. In
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the UK we have triple zero. So there are different
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: numbers around the world Triple nine anyway, but.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, there's different.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Numbers around the world, so wherever their call center is,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: they might not have the same correlation that we have
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: with triple zero. So you know, there's so many shortfalls
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: here that need to be looked at to make sure
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: that something's so horrific is never allowed to happen again.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: And also you might save money offshoring call centers to
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: the Philippines or somewhere in Asia. But is it worth
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: it if that call center was on Australian soil, would
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: this have happened? I mean that's a question we won't
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: know the answer to, but you should be thinking about
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: that if you're a business.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely well.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: On the Herald Sun tomorrow we have which many many
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: of us would know here it's just a little brief
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: little teaser at Sutton.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Many rules not necessary.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, how late are we now?
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: What's the time slot?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Sherlock?
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think we know that.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: So I actually went back and thought, you know what,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I saw this, I'm gonna have a look. What were
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: some of the really crazy restrictions in Victoria.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: And you know, the five kilometer radius, which was even rularious.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: So even if your local fouge market was more than
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: five k's away, well you're done.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: You can't go.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: The nightly curfew that was heavily policed by patrol, the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: exercise restrictions, but that included playgrounds being closed. Only one
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: person was allowed to go to the supermarket per day
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: for essential so god forbid, you've got something.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: What was my favorite though, the masks. The masks everywhere
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: and the fact that you couldn't take your mask off
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: to drink alcohol lives outside. So if anyone can ever
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: explain the logic behind that, but you know what, we
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: need to rememb for poor Victorians. These were legally enforceable.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: They had police patrols out and they had absolute prosecutions
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: and fines that went along with these ridiculous restrictions that
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: were put in place.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Indeed, and my little bit of civil disobedience when I
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: used to walk home in Melbourne from the office was
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: to have a beer with my mask off and g
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it filled. After the break, we have found the dope
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: beers over the day he got out of the cells,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: he stole a cob car. Wait until you find out
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: where he left the cop cars after this radio it
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: is our latest entry into the day and this chap
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: it's all alleged. I should preface this with but Dwan
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: in Wala in South Australia, he gets released from the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: police cells overnight and then promptly goes and avails himself
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: of a police vehicle. Yes see, he basically walks straight
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: out of the cells and into a police car and
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: drives off with it and allegedly made You can see
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the image there of a guy hanging out of a
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: police car. It's a ledge by the way. He gets
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: seven kilometers down the road in the police car before
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: he finally jumps out and leaves it. And have a
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: guess he left it at a service station. And South
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Poles will know what I'm talking about. He left it
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: at a service station. Called on the run. So here's
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: a guy who allegedly gets out of the police steals
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: a police car and then leaves it as a servo
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: called on the run. Now two things, One like, how
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: dumb can you be to just be released and then
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: steal a police car allegedly, but then to leave it
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: at a place called on the run. It's almost like
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: he said, catch me.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: But it's an electronic vehicle as well, So the irony
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: is whether they had electric vehicle stations there.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Apparently the young police officer says that left it weren't
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: aware that they.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Had left this vehicle running because there was no noise
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: coming from the engine. And I have a feeling those
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: two junior police officers may never leave this down. Yes,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: in the good Australian spirit, but look, I'm not someone
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: who's actually ever been on a cruise and I've got
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: to say I'm less and less inclined to ever think
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: that they're a good idea. Only recently we've seen out
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: of the US, but a.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Cruise ship has had to return to port because.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Before it had even really got out of the bay,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: a number of people had started to get into a
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: fistfight frakka, So the captain just turned the ship around.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's the really advanced way of your
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: father in the car when you were on the road
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: trip holiday going.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: If few kids don't shut up or turn the car around.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: And the captains come out and said, if you don't
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: get you get it together, we'll turn the ship around.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: But they've turned the ship and they've off boarded around
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: a dozen passengers who'ved arrested. I mean, you've got to wonder,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: why what do you people do on these things?
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Well, on the lakes of it. A couple of weeks
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: ago we covered the story of a fight that broke
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: out over chicken nuggets. But there's another issue with cruises,
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: which is that they can lose power and then everything
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: ceases to function. This is a movie that Netflix is
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: put out. I think it's Netflix about the poop cruise.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Everyone's out for themselves. You could hear the panic.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: We were starting to smell urine.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: It was terrifying. We had camera people cruise on boats,
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: a helicopter up in the air, Fie broke out of
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: the ship is on fire. What the is happening on
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: this cruise ship? That's like Lord of the Flies, but
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: cruise ship edition truly terrifying. But if you're in gen
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Z or you know any young people, you should ask
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: them about mucha. It is the trend that is taking
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: over everywhere. It's this green powder, basically a tea, and
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: it's replacing coffee everywhere, and people are mad, people are angry.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: A German barista put this on his cafe. No much
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: a drink is permitted. He is standing up for coffee
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: beans and I love it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Well, at least I can go there because I don't
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: drink it. Thank you for joining us. Tonight up next
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: to week, I'm getting the ship